how are you simming
#protection
lusty grotto
link sim
its weird that raidbots doesnt have an option to put 5 stacks on both anvil and signet but it is what it is
lusty grotto
that one you have to sim lol
south zealot
only had 50 seconds i couldnt do it in time
lusty grotto
but honestly idk how big the snap agro is i dont know if thats simmable
south zealot
noone else needed it anyway so tis fine
south zealot
i had to give up leech for into the fray
lusty grotto
until next week
little sigil
522 uldaman necklace or 528 dathea neck. is uldaman just worth it cause it'll spread stats out with its mastery secondary?
south zealot
dathea for sure
lusty grotto
that's not even a question that needs asking
south zealot
probably 522 dathea over 528 uldaman
lusty grotto
yeah for sure
south zealot
but thats hard to really say for sure
little sigil
you say that and every fiber of my being is saying dathea but ive been reading way too much of ppl glorifying uldaman neck lol
south zealot
yeah nobody does dathea if they can avoid it
so its just basically impossible to get
lusty grotto
its literally the best haste neck outside of dathea reclears
but you have the dathea neck
well
its myth dathea > torc/lariat > uldaman
those are pretty much our only options
and only one of those is spammable for farm
little sigil
because we dont have access to mythic dathea reclears
tbh it kinda rolls over in awakened. annoying as always sure but can just sit on her ass last 35 or so percent ignoring the platform nuking her down
but i get yea. farmable vs not
lusty grotto
yeah except some guilds are taking a break like mine
and just doing heroic reclears in 30-40 mins and peacing out
im recrafting my torc up
as soon as i get in a key
for aspects
fuck uldaman's neck i aint farming that shit
plus crafted is 3 ilvls higher than hero
little sigil
couldve just left it at fuck uldaman 😂
lusty grotto
yeah i guess haha
watch my vault drop a myth uldaman neck next tuesday
im calling it
its gonna happen
cause blizz likes to fuck me with the vault every season
south zealot
bis dropped
rigid hull
Sure ill link ot when i get up
neon gyro
tech
glacial skiff
Anyone know if BSV has been updated yet?
south zealot
pretty sure it has been but its very hard to take
solemn wolf
gonna go up 3k in haste today so excited
tacit haven
quick question, why is Granyth's enduring scale ranked so much lower than Treemouth's splinter? it has extra armor and an offensive damage component compared to treemouth
lusty grotto
partial absorbs are stronger in general
cause they work with alongside any mit we have
and last longer
tacit haven
Granyth is also partial though, at 75% right?
lusty grotto
thats why treemouth is the superior defense trinket, even above rageheart and granyth
the lower the amount the better, up to a point
the closer to a 100%, the faster it will fade
its a good trinket
just not as good defensively
tacit haven
got a 515 (max) treemouth on me, but got granyth on myth track in vault, why I'm asking hehe
lusty grotto
i wouldnt take it
tacit haven
aight, thanks
unkempt hazel
treemouth feel gooder
south zealot
im so confused
on what is going on here
if you want bsv thats kind of what you gotta do
but theres 0 other shield block talents taken in compensation
jagged pier
thats a build of all time
south zealot
how is this guy even alive in keys
lusty grotto
carried by team
south zealot
hes on biz stream rn
south zealot
was looking at omnicd and saw double shield wall and it made me a little sad
tepid nest
is leech on gear actually good for us? does the % based leech we get from tree contribute to the DR?
tepid nest
ye ofc.
south zealot
good as opposed to what
tepid nest
i have 528 chest, so leech on chest, heroic > myth track hands, or a 3ilvl shield boost (bis shield i guess) from my crafted shield
lusty grotto
shield
tepid nest
ye im not likely to see that again soon
lusty grotto
100% get the shield
tepid nest
thanks guys
lusty grotto
anyway myth gnarl is easier choco lol
lusty grotto
lol
lusty grotto
lol
unkempt hazel
speaking of
novel basin
Anyone has a good WA package for prot warrior ? I wanna make a go at prot warrior here in season 4, and i Can already tell im having a hard time looking at SB and IP uptime
lusty grotto
a lot of warrior packages are good
same old authors
luxthos, afenar, etc
Nome has his, but maybe not the best for a beginner
lusty grotto
does it apply to frontals tho
no
solemn wolf
@novel basin I recently started prot as well, just picked up a tracker for IP and SB and put them next to the middle of my screen and a Spell reflect trigger so I learn when something can be reflected since I didnt tank as prot in so long. Dont feel like i am missing something up to +12s I am doing.
jagged pier
id get rid of the SR tracker
lusty grotto
yeah
lusty grotto
its useless for the most part
jagged pier
u dont press it just because u can reflect somthing usually that is a consquence of just pressing SR and using it on cd actully gives u about 90% of its worth anyway
i mean if u have oer 6k haste
u dont even need a SB tracker
u just send buttons and forget
it will be up
lusty grotto
yeah
jagged pier
and still have 100%
without thought
he would only need it if he plays ITF
which kinda pointless till 5.4k anyways
lusty grotto
true
unkempt hazel
tbf even then does one need it, if its not up surely u dont explode fast enough
jagged pier
u can for sure
unkempt hazel
novel basin
Alot of good Reading 😄 the tracker is just as much for me to not overlapping SB. Gotta get my hands on it for real i Think. I only just startet it as my prot pala is 3.2k now and feel like i want an alt
Never tanker on warr before 🤷♂️
jagged pier
what do u mean overlapping SB?
unkempt hazel
dontthey stack
unkempt hazel
afaik u can just send both charges and they add time no?
jagged pier
yer
unkempt hazel
if pack wont die too fast
novel basin
Oh, i was sure if i used 2nd charge it was wasted. Sorry fellas xD
lusty grotto
and bolster doesnt count for the cap but we're not using that
lusty grotto
ip tracker still the most useless
solemn wolf
the spell reflect tracker was great to learn what is reflectable from bosses
solemn wolf
it would take me a lot ronger reading all things up and remembering it during pugs
lusty grotto
thats pinned
solemn wolf
The sheet doesnt come up on my screen randomly after 30mins to remember me
novel basin
ip tracker still the most useless
Why? I mean, is it a juggle to use your rage on SB, IP and revenge ? So if SB is Rolling, IP is High i wanna use my next on revenge ? But if IP is gonna drop off i wanna use it on IP ?
lusty grotto
cause that WA doesnt get updated right away
but our sheet does
IP is a rage dump
you will keep using it
tracking it does nothing
you dont use rage on revenge other than if SS and TC are on cd
its not a question of which you use
you will use IP
it doesnt matter if IP will drop
it doesnt matter if IP is capped
jagged pier
is it really that ahrd to remeber the like 3 big SRs on bosses this season?
lusty grotto
nothing matters at all, you will use IP cause its off-gcd
jagged pier
the rest of the time do u need to know this random cast is going on u in a pack
lusty grotto
it also doesnt matter if you have an IP already, you will press it
jagged pier
where u know theres lots of casts as u should have SR up anyway
novel basin
you dont use rage on revenge other than if SS and TC are on cd
Trying hard here to find out what TC is short for 😂
novel basin
Ofc 🫠
lusty grotto
tc = thunderclap
ip = ignore pain
feels like it was yesterday i was telling this to someone
the wowhead guide should have it written down
im 100% sure
so will the icyveins guide
jagged pier
the wowhead guide doesnt have acronyms used here
lusty grotto
yes, should be easier to read
jagged pier
i dont think they use them
lusty grotto
lol
jagged pier
they just use the full anme
lusty grotto
oh
yeah
im not referring to the acronyms
im referring to using IP
when i said the guides should have it
i.e. use IP when youre about to cap rage (a rage dump)
dont use revenge unless both TC and SS are down
etc
so yeah the guides have the priority and run down of abilities, go read that Matti
radiant mortar
today I learnd that me panic pressing SB when it still has some seconds left isnt a waste because it stacks...
lusty grotto
should be fine
its only bad if the pack/boss is about to die
but even then
theres enough leeway
anyway 
jagged pier
rigid hull
what do i do then
jagged pier
1-3-5 targets 1-3-5mins just normal sim not add cleave or anything
south zealot
id get rid of the SR tracker
yeah get rid of it for now, could get it back later if you want to know if things like melt in neltharus are casted on you
jagged pier
basically like this
south zealot
can be hard to tell
rigid hull
okay okay
jagged pier
can be hard to tell
well i actually recommend ppl get used to using it and not just spamming it, as a balance patch ither way and u might be down to 70% blocked hits at best so u need to track it. but tbf ive been saying that since S1 and in tww it looks like we will fire and forget again
so just send and forget about
if u like a tracker keep it
i still ahve mine
🤷
jagged pier
shocked pikachu face
jagged pier
yer its very strong for m+ not so much in raid
but u dont need defensive trinkets in raids because bosses cant kill u
rigid hull
i guess for someone like me
a key 13-14 player xd
is best to run
fyrak and dreadplate
to push keys
rigid hull
but u dont need defensive trinkets in raids because bosses cant kill u
ye playing tank in a raid is a joke
ive been plakying for like 3-4 weeks
south zealot
fyrakk is like
rigid hull
i was really surprised by how boring raids are
south zealot
an offensive version of treemouth
but its not great offensively or defensively
just pretty average
if youre pushing difficult content youd wanna run treemouth over rageheart
jagged pier
well u would run enduring over rageheart in like all situation in m+ i can think of
- str > vers
south zealot
yeah i think enduring is the play in every key
rigid hull
what about stonescale
jagged pier
bad
south zealot
its just so much damage ontop of being one of the best trinkets defensively
jagged pier
worse than tree enduring and heart
south zealot
theres just no way you give it up
even in a bad example, still does 15k dps compared to treemouths 0
jagged pier
i literally run an lfr plates
rigid hull
i literally run an lfr plates
bruh
jagged pier
im casual this season
rigid hull
what ilvl is that?
jagged pier
502
jagged pier
just play cata and be done with it
so craft one we get a craft today
finally got my flavour pocket back
south zealot
you can craft a blue neck and use whelpint crests to make it like 486 or something
with your desired stats
no spark
jagged pier
we get a spark today
jagged pier
no torc to the passed as thats an emblishment
south zealot
its an embellishment
rigid hull
oh
south zealot
other embellishments are better generally
south zealot
yea
usually ppl go 2 shadowflames for prot warrior
some people use blue silken lining because they also dps
and its best for dps
rigid hull
how much mastery does it give?
it seems op
i aleardy crafted my x2 shadowflames sadly
rigid hull
i prefer dps
ionic fern
Eh?
ionic fern
Depends on your current stats.
Pretty sure 2x Shadowflame is better in ST.
grim pilot
i prefer dps
Are you playing arms/fury
rigid hull
no prot
grim pilot
Because for those bsl is bis yeah
grim pilot
thats what he meant by "for dps"
jagged pier
not its better for our damage as prot
rigid hull
he means the specs
ah i see
rigid hull
do u guys think this is worth it?
minus 60 ascepts
sussy
my current neck is versa mastery neck 💀
jagged pier
not lariat but torc of the past is
rigid hull
yy mb
jagged pier
i literally have a neck craft up right now
blazing condor
radiant mortar
if I dont get a shield in my next two vaults I will craft or bullion one
unkempt hazel
altho dabbling in arms too, so maybe off hand not that important
decisions decisions...
jagged pier
No.
rigid hull
noted
jagged pier
or
Yes.
it really doesnt matter
the more haste u get the more your flat haste increases give u
jagged pier
radiant mortar
ionic fern
I wish i had grieftorch in the +10 Nelth i did yesterday.
28 deaths with me having 0.
Would have probably timed it if i had it.
radiant mortar
do you use it mid pull or to get aggro after gethering a big group and standing a bit away?
strong forum
i used it whenever it was ready
strong forum
for sure
radiant mortar
strong forum
idk lemme check
it felt like i could
didnt lose hp at all
yes
we can block during grieftorch
omg
radiant mortar
thats big
blazing condor
we timed my +10 nelt cus of my cheat death 
radiant mortar
we timed my 12 AA because Im just that good
blazing condor
crit meta
jagged pier
we can block during grieftorch
thats changed???????
okay my spare buy is going on that
XD
blazing condor
she griefing on my torch til im manic
jagged pier
radiant mortar
strong forum
nah idk
jagged pier
blazing condor
need to do some testing
strong forum
on logs it looked like it
but when i cast it ingame
and i get meleed
it doesnt say i blocked
so i guess you cant
but keylevel too low and my gear too high to lose hp
unlugg
blazing condor
its a shame we cant block when casting
but it makes sense
same with neltharus chains if you ever wanna pick those up
radiant mortar
man I was hyped to go grieftorch and grief some runs
but now I would really grief and thats not the goal
strong forum
just pair it with SW
blazing condor
time to go grieftorch + boon and turbo int
strong forum
na
beacon+boon
the turbo suicide combo
cuz beacon is way longer cast
and also just worse than grieftorch
radiant mortar
alright
blazing condor
guess this is the week to get dreadplates
too bad i probably wont get invited to any hc runs
unless i really get my gear up
jagged pier
they rent
pallid quiver
They one shot tanks ez pz, every time
jagged pier
like 10s
pallid quiver
unless you're like half the pug tanks I've seen, in which case you could be in next xpac's gear and still die
jagged pier
they probably tuned for like 500 i reckon
blazing condor
then its gucci
pallid quiver
Definitely can just donk assault dead
I don't even think you'd need a raid full of moderately geared people for it, and it's the better way to run the fight I'm pretty sure
radiant mortar
I have enough stops for the important stuff in AA so no need for aoe interupt shout
I play it in RLP tho
jagged pier
blazing condor
Hell yeah
Feels good not having to fight for a beacon at sark anymore
Or augury at fyrakk
jagged pier
jagged pier
strong forum
leaden shard
I havent gotten invited to an AA yet
AA is the instant invite dungeon for me
waxen frigate
https://i.imgur.com/7xoUNP5.png
Only 12 ravager hmm
blazing condor
AA is the instant invite dungeon for me
Im just trying to apply above my rio cus i cba to grind up from 5s
leaden shard
Im just trying to apply above my rio cus i cba to grind up from 5s
o yeah i mean jumping key levels usually means declines unless you have giga io on previous season / its an alt with a main with big io
blazing condor
For some reason my io from last season wont show
But it wasnt all that think i had like 3,2
strong forum
Only 12 ravager hmm
Was an 18min key sorry
waxen frigate
Smh
strong forum
I'll invent cooldown reduction soon tm dw
waxen frigate
I'll invent cooldown reduction soon tm dw
One anger management
strong forum
That neck is whack, so probably just socket?
Also why does you current neck only have 1 socket?
Instead of 3?
tardy sequoia
I don't know it only got one
leaden shard
For some reason my io from last season wont show
Mine is buggy af, it seems to only show the last char i played in a key from last season, like when i logged into my vdh it said 3050, when i log into my shaman it says 3150 but when i log into my pres evoker it gets stuck on 2900
tardy sequoia
That neck is whack, so probably just socket?
so I should take the back got it 
tardy sequoia
but if I get the neck, my new one doesn't have socket
it's my old (current) one that has it
strong forum
????
Sir?
You can give every neck 3 sockets
From buying shit from the auction house
tardy sequoia
oh I didn't know it
strong forum
You pick the coin option from vault
So you can buy separate sockets from a different vendor
Those sockets you can put onto good gear
And for your neck, you buy 1x 2star tiered medallion setting and then 1x 3star tiered medallion setting
From the auction house
tardy sequoia
so what should i do with the 467? 🤣
strong forum
Play more keys
tardy sequoia
You pick the coin option from vault
token of merit?
strong forum
Yes
tardy sequoia
aight thanks 👌
strong forum
And whenever a cloak drops for someone else in a key
Ask them if they need it
(90% chance they won't)
tardy sequoia
ye ye I know that part
strong forum
So, buy the medallion settings from AG
And slap onto neck
Then with the tokens of merit, you can buy 2 more sockets to hold until you get a mythic track helmet, belt or to slap socket onto your bullion bought fire rings
ionic nimbus
Then with the tokens of merit, you can buy 2 more sockets to hold until you get ...
Bracers as well
tardy sequoia
so basically at this round token right?
strong forum
Bracers as well
Ya but 99% chance your bracers are crafted item
And for those who will put CR wrists there
They might not have em yet
Like me
ionic nimbus
Yeah just wanted to mention itw
waxen frigate
And whenever a cloak drops for someone else in a key
I’m in shambles (BDK wanted dreadplates last night)
strong forum
Pain
waxen frigate
I got mythic tier hands tho
And chest maybe I don’t remember
I think I got 2 pieces tho
Socketed helmet too
From vault
strong forum
All my vaults have been sockets today
Which is good
5x fire rings socketed and 1x my myth belt on warri
radiant mortar
pray for me to finally get a shield pls
ionic nimbus
pray for me to finally get a shield pls
Praying for you, I am happy that I crafted a shield in id1. No m+ shield or vault shield up to now…
radiant mortar
thank you I will bullion or craft one if I dont get int in two weeks
crystal iris
Granyth's Scale is only D-Tier because other trinkets outclass it right? It's prestty solid defensively in M+ I find
arctic finch
any tips on how to properly manage threat when gathering mobs, i am hardcore struggling with that
pallid quiver
have dps who don't blow their CDs while you're charging about for one
crystal iris
any tips on how to properly manage threat when gathering mobs, i am hardcore str...
Ravager down early, TC as soon as your charge lands, then revenge
that way you get deep wounds out. As they gather shield charge, ava, roar
arctic finch
@duru i am already doing that and somehow its not enough
jagged pier
cant tell wihtout logs
crystal iris
remember that when gathering packs you cant just taunt one mob and move on to next pack you need to hit all mobs at least before moving on
use Challenging Shout liberally once mobs are within 10 yards
pallid quiver
Yeah, if you're having trouble keeping aggro after mobs are fully gathered and grouped, logs would be the way to tell the issue
If it's while you're gathering and running between packs, DPS need to not mega blast as you're going along
crystal iris
If youre still having trouble try titanic throw 🙂
arctic finch
nah once they are gathered i dont rly have an issue but the gathering itself is rly hard for me
pallid quiver
They can set up (pre dot, filler gen, etc), but if they start swingin' while you're walking, it's a problem
crystal iris
If it's while you're gathering and running between packs, DPS need to not mega b...
unless hes not tagging all mobs when pulling
crystal mauve
They can set up (pre dot, filler gen, etc), but if they start swingin' while you...
It’s a them problem*
echo egret
There are some other tank classes that have better ways of pulling whole packs and that random pug DPSers are used to that.
warm plinth
Don't feel like you need to get every pack at the same exact time. Pull a pack, get a TC and revenge out, drop a ravager or tr on the next one if needed, etc. Big pulls generally get pulled in stages because pug dps are smol brain
I usually go ahead and pop my challenging shout once gathered too if I have any super burst specs so I can get a head start
Alternatively, if you're pulling all the packs to where the first pack is, just heroic throw them in while you start on the first pack and grab aggro as they come in.
glacial flint
any idea why @strong forum didnt added to the guide / list
https://www.wowhead.com/item=203714/ward-of-faceless-ire?ilvl=528
jagged pier
because its bad
glacial flint
because its bad
hmh on warr only i guess ? other tanks took it
pallid quiver
It's for their group if tanks are grabbing it
It's an external you can slap onto DPS
Use cases like that are outside the scope of a guide, which are to get you on board with the functioning of a spec as a whole, rather than niche content uses
pallid quiver
hmh on warr only i guess ? other tanks took it
Example case would be that you have, say, an Enha Shimmy Sham in like a +15 or something Academy who keeps getting murked on the third screech, but everyone else can live 3 with externals/CDs already available to group. So someone sacs a trinket slot to give an external so you can get that extra time to work on the boss.
Tanks are high value picks for trink picks like this since they generally don't need defensive trinkets and healers are often already rocking them or using more throughput focused trinkets. Tanks also don't gain as much DPS from a trinket slot as DPS do (or gain the same raw value of DPS in terms of trinkets that just provide an effect, not stats, so it could be on a DPS or tank), so there's less loss in time cost if you need to make a pick like that
crystal iris
Example case would be that you have, say, an Enha Shimmy Sham in like a +15 or s...
wait what lol? tanks for sure run defensive trinkets and cheat deaths where as healers rarely run throughput trinkets. How many healers do you see out there rocking Tome for an extra measley 20k healer damage
strong forum
any idea why <@192743144276623360> didnt added to the guide / list
https://www...
Can only add so many items
topaz field
wait what lol? tanks for sure run defensive trinkets and cheat deaths where as h...
the problem is that all healing trinkets are beyond garbage
strong forum
Before it's cluttered
pallid quiver
Before it's cluttered
there's also this
strong forum
But ward is a great pickup for group utility if you can utilise it
The 1min cd makes it extremely overpowered for group pushing
But for random pugging it's quite bleh
topaz field
lets be real highest key timed with a warrior tank is 18 fort this is so far away from having the requirement to run ward
topaz field
oh ye for sure
strong forum
And suddenly it becomes close to mandatory
topaz field
but they can run it themselves
topaz field
i taught my hunter to run leaf last season xD
pallid quiver
It feels real bad having to pre-emptively, 4 seconds early, go into ghost wolf
blazing condor
whats the wording for a macro where you change stance, do an ability, then change back? if you can do that
strong forum
i remember the pain of having to heal enhancer on vexamus s1
Still is
I hate evokers and hunters on that fight
Cuz they insist of soaking orb when they have manabomb
So I gotta turbo spam them
novel basin
Anyone has a good plater profile that actually shows if casts are on me? - i have Naowh's atm and as awesome as it is, it doesnt show who the target of the mobs casts are
glacial flint
Anyone has a good plater profile that actually shows if casts are on me? - i hav...
just enable the plater option for it
novel basin
this?
novel basin
i just startet playing my char here, played it lastly in s1.. got my friends to power me through a HC raid last evening... these i my stats with current gear (500ilvl), im guessing my 3 crafted items should be with haste mastery? my crit seems very high and mastery very low
urban bane
i made fervid bite crit for 1 million
that's quite a chomp
violet ginkgo
i made fervid bite crit for 1 million
POG! I haven't reach that number yet I think
violet ginkgo
i just startet playing my char here, played it lastly in s1.. got my friends to ...
moar haste for sure, convert the mastery to haste
novel basin
we dont want any mastery really?
strong forum
only a little of it
its the least useful of the stats, its not BAD but its not something you want to aim for
novel basin
so i should maybe go haste+vers on the 3 crafted items?
violet ginkgo
I mean if your tier piece got mastery on it or something byproduct it's fine, but you are not actively trying to stack it
strong forum
haste vers or haste crit on your crafted items
violet ginkgo
How fun is alltotem nome? from wowhead desc seems quite a fun trinket even though I might not buy it from bullion
strong forum
all-totem is fun if you track it
air gives 20% haste buff for 7sec
fire does uncapped aoe dmg
earth gives you shitton of armor and thus strength
ice gives you a very strong hot
and they rotate in a set order every 30sec
and each ofc does dmg aswell
violet ginkgo
20% haste kek that is 2/3 from lust, sure the duration only 7 secs but still 😄
strong forum
ya the buffs are obscene
you get like idk 8k armor from earth aswell
which is a couple hundred strength too
pastel sleet
I just got a champion dreadplates. Which im considering replacing my champion splinter.
I know they function differently. What are the use cases from one to the other.
I.e are there certain bosses/dungeons i shouldnt run dreadplate? And should instead run splinter.
I will be 424 this week and can currently tank 13s without much stress
violet ginkgo
424? 13? you mean 524?
urban bane
got my mythic dreadplates last night
havent got to use it much yet but seeing the lasers go out is 
pastel sleet
Yes i mean 524
violet ginkgo
I think dreadplate from Nome's desc is offensive although the attribute is defensive, I mean if you just run m+ just pop it when you do big pull and when it POP, does a lot of damage
if you want to use for raid then just use it when boss doing tank buster instead of your defensive skills.
pastel sleet
I think there is a miscommunication, my bad.
I know how to use both trinkets effectively.
My question is:
Is there a list somewhere that says
For boss X, splinter is better at mitigating Y mechanic.
For dungeon Z, dreadplates is better at mitigating pull 3.
Etc
Like when do i equip each
south zealot
https://i.imgur.com/F4UOrsn.png
when shield slam fervid bite and anvil all crit on the same button
feels just like this
cerulean tusk
When BDK legendary doesnt crit
violet ginkgo
Like when do i equip each
I mean Nome probably will just suggest dreadplate and anvil if you run M+
for raid I dunno if you need defensive trinkets?
proud silo
really shouldnt need them i dont think
cerulean tusk
You might want to play cheatdeath trinky, for the most extreme of hard content, to minimalize the chance of a single fuck-up killing the key from your side.
I personally would also use another Dtrinky, that got a dam element to it - like fyrakks trinky
violet ginkgo
So far I know the discussion is up to heroic you don't need it but mythic raid... I dunno must need Nim/Nome/other senior who do Mythic raid
proud silo
I think there is a miscommunication, my bad.
I know how to use both trinkets eff...
but imo i think its just up to personal choice and confidence level. i doubt theres any list anywhere as usually defensives will be more than enough to handle things, but generally i believe dreadplates is better on trash for its damage and splinter is just solely defensive. if you're worried about particular trash or a boss and dont think you can utilize defensives fully to handle it, maybe run splinter, otherwise dreadplates is gonna be recommended
fair elm
Any advice on how to deal with boss 2 chains in Nelth? I've had groups where DPS handle breaking all chains and others where I break all the chains. All I'm really getting from my PUG experience is that most people don't know that mechanics stacks, and they are breaking all the chains at the same time (or moving around a ton and we overlap).
Is there a generally accepted way on how to do this?
blazing condor
generally you're better off letting DPS handle chains
but with pugs its gonna be a bit rng
if you have to handle chains you get a lot of extra work to do during a phase where tank damage can be high
you might turn around and get hit in the back etc
fair elm
right, makes sense
violet ginkgo
Yeah I mean once in a while it's DPS turn to handle some mechanic, not to just leave it to tank.
mellow bridge
So far I know the discussion is up to heroic you don't need it but mythic raid.....
defensive trinkets in raid are fake for 99% of fights
mellow bridge
at this point with the gear we have? there are none
it's a thing for a few fights while youre progressing undergeared
south zealot
early progression bosses like rygelon or jailer
or something like experiments as well
pallid quiver
Due to how raid damage profiles just end up being laid out, there's not much actual use for defensive trinkets in raid
Outside of the above
mellow bridge
for prot warr specifically this expansion
maybe early zskarn?
cant think of anything else
and on brm/vdh i havent used a single defensive trinket all expansion long as far as i can remember
pallid quiver
i used rageheart last season because it was one of two trinkets i had for almost the entire season 🙂
violet ginkgo
Oh yeah btw to handle larodar's charge, aside from defensive stance + shield wall+demo shout, anything else we should do to mitigate the damage? since that charge is not blockable.
pallid quiver
Spell Reflect is up for every one to reduce the magic portion
Shield Wall + SR + D Stance should drastically reduce the damage intake; bonus points if you happen to have a Demo Shout up when you get hit
You can also consider raw running out into the fire and leaping back to safety, since it keeps you in heal range for longer
If you end up with Shield Wall not up for a charge, there's also Last Stand + IV to pick you back up
pallid quiver
I was assuming he was leaping out, then charging back in, so that is good to bring up, though
violet ginkgo
oh of course I leap out to max distance it, I mean if I don't leap though the raid suffer as well XD
pallid quiver
You can get far enough away just raw legging it
You technically take more damage that way, I'd wager, but it keeps you out of danger death zone, since you don't have fire ticking on you while out of healer range after taking the charge
Instead, you have damage come in on you from fire while in healing range, take the charge, and instantly stop taking damage by leaping back to safety
As long as you're not spending long periods of time in the fire, both are safe
proud silo
in my experience tanking heroic larodar last season and this, usually spell reflect and just standing a good ways away with sb and ip is fine. shield wall with 2 charges wont be up every time, but i'd typically shield wall every other and just make sure to have other defensives up (or rageheart) for one in between. rageheart just completely trivializes it lmao
pallid quiver
in my experience tanking heroic larodar last season and this, usually spell refl...
The CD reduction talent allows you to have Shield Wall for every charge if playing properly
It's still good to have a plan in case you don't or if the divine powers of the world decide you get absolutely nothing, but
proud silo
i prefer it for keys, but the cd reduction is prolly better for raiding tbh
mellow bridge
😬
proud silo
👍
violet ginkgo
The CD reduction talent allows you to have Shield Wall for every charge if playi...
So far I still alternating the Shield wall for 1 charge and next charge on me usually almost ready but not yet ready, I'll try to be better next week when amirdrasil raid come again.
blazing condor
we still shadowflame craft wrist and cloak?
pallid quiver
Unless you want to slap in as DPS, yeah
Lowest impact pieces by the end game in terms of lost stats
blazing condor
ye
pallid quiver
only 40k
strong forum
psh
pallid quiver
he obvs just slipped the rng machine a $20
blazing condor
does anvil out damage brand on raid ST
feels like you dont get the time to ramp anvil
pallid quiver
Anvil will do damage before full stacks, unlike signet, so if you're down to those two and fights aren't long enough for signet, anvil does more ez
after that i don't know
blazing condor
i just dont remember, on average, how long max stacks on brand takes
pallid quiver
I believe it has to take like 4 minutes before it comes online iirc
It fully stacks in like 3-ish on average iirc?
but obviously needs time to make up the difference
pallid quiver
That one was on Rashok, so there was also no real downtime, so more shield slams for the effect
south zealot
holy
blazing condor
bros edging the timer
south zealot
this was on lost dwarves
pastel sleet
Holy shit thats a lot of fervid and anvil dam…. Im getting nowhere near that and im parsing well
blazing condor
do we still have the "cant get loot from boss X in vault if not killed" in awakened?
if ive killed them in previous seasons
strong forum
fervid should always be that high tho
jagged pier
i tried to get a recraft today
and the minium was 10k
yer fuck off
ill wait for a guildy to do it
tribal wharf
i had to recraft pants 10 times or some shit
jagged pier
but u get free recrafts though!!!!
but i only wanted a recraft
tribal wharf
i don't wanna hear about recrafting bitching lol
jagged pier
i had the item already
tribal wharf
i cant recall if it was pants but it was 10 times to get rank 5
urban bane
huh? ive submitted requests to the wind for like 2.5k and people do em
blazing condor
just let us put minimum quality on public orders
fuck the ppl who cant do those qualities
dusky canopy
Yeah I do the same muse
tribal wharf
at least it was my own item i was recrafting, but it cost me like 20 k of bars
blazing condor
this is capitalism
tribal wharf
cuz it was like, multiple more than 2 or 3 bars per craft, of blue bars
tribal wharf
i wanna say 8 per but i cant recall it was like 1.3k per recraft swing just for bars
spent like 25k in total
that was a horrible day
south zealot
if im providing all the mats and its this late into the expansion
idc ur not getting more than like 3k
forest jay
Do alts get the bullions from the weekly quest as a catch up ?
jagged pier
yes
jagged pier
Do alts get the bullions from the weekly quest as a catch up ?
no
strong forum
boon is only usable by rogues, bdks and maybe rets
cuz they can immune stuff
everyone else better not use it cuz it will kill you, and if you cant use it on CD on turbo large pulls, its jsut a bad trinket
strong forum
i just dont remember, on average, how long max stacks on brand takes
5min before haste
If you get lucky you can get 15 stacks as early as 1.5min
But you can also get unlucky and not get 15 stacks for like 4minutes
And anvil does instant dmg vs signet being a dot, so frequent anvil procs means higher dmg spikes
Whereas signet cant spike
If you get 3 procs of signet back to back, well you just overwrite the old dot
Anvil Just slaps out 1mil+ dmg in those 3 procs
violet ginkgo
and yeah anvil definitely manageable in M+
if there is a "gap" can always extend the buff a bit so not instantly expired
strong forum
Sadly they removed critters from m+
blazing condor
fr?
blazing condor
they mustve done that this reset
blazing condor
oh yeah
strong forum
Literally today
left basalt
but it could extend at least once?
violet ginkgo
do you use the doll tech nome?
strong forum
Yes
Whenever I know I can't make it to the next pull, and I know that I won't drop anvil for the next several pulls after that
south zealot
Sadly they removed critters from m+
so cringe
violet ginkgo
so at best once or twice
left basalt
I never play legion so I'll visit the area
took 30 seconds to farm the other day, very easy
blazing condor
yeah you just kill a rare
sand kettle
Anyone on who pushes high keys (13+) available for a chat about high uldaman this week?
novel basin
How much do we use shield Wall? Pretty much on use or do we wait till we have trouble?
First ever Keys ive done as prot warrior and i feel like i take a ton of damage even though i would say i have my IP and SB up
sand kettle
@novel basin if you are talking M+ its good to use it after demo shout wears off on pull
Shield charge in, stomp, demo, IP
then when demo falls off, use SW
novel basin
<@122838308542742528> if you are talking M+ its good to use it after demo shout ...
Thanks. Will try do that 👍
chilly brook
Sadly they removed critters from m+
Love how the answer to fixing a priest exploit (again) is to just screw over every class that has something that likes to stay in combat
Like genuinely pissed I bought brand now
chilly brook
Sure wish I could refund my Bullion items....
strong forum
And to make sure it really doesn't happen they removed the critters
chilly brook
And screwed over anyone who uses Anvil/Brand
strong forum
Signet can still be maintained in pretty much all keys
chilly brook
in dungeons where it's already hard to maintain
strong forum
It just takes a little more effort
Rlp you only drop it once, but with doll you can ensure to never drop
AA you drop it once
After crawth, anvil however you can maintain
Uldaman, never drop
BH, never drop with worn doll
strong forum
As dps it's a little harder yeah
chilly brook
where critters were insanely useful
strong forum
But still manageable in most keys
Neltharus you gotta be quick and pull birds
BH, pull bear or just yell at tank
What other keys are there
Av, uuuhh
Uuuuhhh
Didn't run AV as dps yet
Since having anvil
I think
But you can maintain anvil atleast signet is turbo hard for the most part
What else
Nokhud is cringe but you still get alot of value
Cuz it's pre-stacked for every boss
Except last, but that one takes 3000 decades anyway
grave knoll
was thinking about reading this discord a bit as i was considering alting a tank warrior. immediatly scared off by gimmicky trinket maintenance 😄 😄
sand kettle
Theyre just optimizing lol
strong forum
chilly brook
not care about extending
sand kettle
Fyrakks and enduring dreadplate are cool
sand kettle
I just need to rant about uldaman
sand kettle
pull too much, group goes "stop, you arent vdh" pull too little, group goes "shoulda invited a vdh"
strong forum
Groups love backseat gaming tanks
sand kettle
its insane in that dungeon in particular
grave knoll
"go i have cds" is my favorite quote since ever
strong forum
Aside from first pull, you can literally do vdh pulls tho
Cuz that's the only pull in the dungeon that requires alot of aoe stops
sand kettle
idk dude, guy was 3600 last season
sand kettle
I also didnt pull the 3 pack onto bromach cuz sanquine on totem wipes key
got flamed for that
strong forum
The specific tech is you clap that pack down to 40%
Then chain boss
They should die before totem
grave knoll
can't wait for TWW and new dungeons
strong forum
But yes, sanguine is turbo cringe
Best to just not try pushing with randoms who have no idea how to play without vdh
Would be my best recommendation
sand kettle
guy said I was "making shit up to cover for being bad" when I said sanguine could wipe us on bromach
rant over
Ill do that 40% idea
grave knoll
yeah because its very hard to tank bromach with 2 adds that dont do much
strong forum
Well
They do a huge aoe stun
If they do that when everybody is blasting totem
Kinda grief
That's why you chain late
grave knoll
well they should die before totem spawns
strong forum
At 40% hp the big guys will apply a buff
That makes them and allies take 100% more dmg or smth
That's why you chain them onto boss m
Not because "they don't do anything"
They absolutely do something
grave knoll
well but not much
its not hard and you would also chain them into boss if they didnt do the debuff
atleast usually
strong forum
Sure, but good luck with that, I've seen way too many clowns get clapped cuz boss did his large aoe and then you also had to avoid the aoe from the big dudes
- managing the interrupt from the caster in Africa
grave knoll
idk i just watched uldaman. didnt play higher keys yet and didnt play in s2
strong forum
Don't overestimate the ability from pugs to have spacial awareness
sand kettle
That was my point of not even bothering with pulling it onto boss with pugs
grave knoll
my highest uldaman is 13 or smth
sand kettle
huge risk
strong forum
The timer is fine if you don't wipe
All that matters is not dying
Especially on tyr
Trash just Falls over, but bosses will give you a run for your money
grave knoll
i just overall don't like it much. its probably my least fav in the entire expac
sand kettle
Im sitting there spamming IP on those crocs though lol
strong forum
They hate cleave and shield bash
sand kettle
its crazy
strong forum
Pop CDs and trinket, dwarf, kite parry
sand kettle
lmao dwarf
strong forum
But also that's a Lust pull
So they shouldn't live long
Also shockwave their bite cast
They won't recast
For a bit
Aside from that, pwar takes 0 dmg
Just
But yes, uldaman is easily the worst key
grave knoll
HoI is a close second
strong forum
Nobody likes it, it has the least completion rate and also the lowest pushed key in all of DF
Also the tightest timer on high keys
Hoi is annoying cuz it's so fucking boring
Hoi and uldaman feel like they take 2hrs each
I can do 5 rlp/av/aa/neltharus runs
And I will be more unethusiatic after playing 1 singular hoi/uldaman
Than 5 of the other keys
grave knoll
i prefer s1 over s3 because i pushed the most in s1 so im not objective
but yeah atal, waycrest, fall, brh, dht - all cool dungeons
grave knoll
rise was the worst
strong forum
All of them were like "yeah sure I can do that"
Rise was awesome mechanically
Just numbers were fuck and the RP and downtime was shit
grave knoll
yeah RP was annoying
ancient crystal
Halls is just our goated dungeon right
I have never loved halls more before prot warr
south zealot
How much do we use shield Wall? Pretty much on use or do we wait till we have tr...
its like a minute cd, you can use it every pack
south zealot
I pulled to basilisks
thats literally the standard pull
sometimes vdhs pull an extra pack but thats the standard pull
south zealot
I also didnt pull the 3 pack onto bromach cuz sanquine on totem wipes key
yeah i didnt so it on the 14 i did
i mean best case scenario you save time
worst cade scenario you deplete the key bc sanguine omega griefed
south zealot
Hoi and uldaman feel like they take 2hrs each
hoi on sanguine is so rough atleast for me
the first area takes literally half a dynasty
radiant mortar
Rise was awesome mechanically
mega dungeons are all cringe and get be deleted
don't @ me
lusty grotto
choco im back to 5.9k haste