u can if u send on TC wrong
#protection
jagged pier
tepid nest
ye always worse for rage but in aoe even without bloodsurge it feels like we have a pretty silly amount of rage
will keep that in mind ty
merry pond
Fire your shots away, doubt you have a single thing to show off for that would make you seem better than me.
Not saying you'll die, just saying your delusional if you think you should start a pull in battle stance.
ancient crystal
Our tier set resets TC from SS eating a bleed, do we just ignore all the TC resets and keep SS prio in m+ aoe?
blazing condor
You want bleed on the mobs
strong forum
you only ignore TC resets in single target if SS is ready
blazing condor
Ss prio but then u want tc back on the mobs
tepid nest
you only ignore TC resets in single target *if* SS is ready
is SS not also prio in most situations in aoe?
tepid nest
ok thanks!
merry pond
holy cow
jagged pier
i mean we had it for a lot longer and a lot more SS back in argus
tepid nest
you also get the extra control on shockwave which is nice, seems like mountain thane doesnt offer anything like that
strong forum
yeah the buff gained from demolish buffs revenge dmg by 50%
tepid nest
or does it?
strong forum
you also get the extra control on shockwave which is nice, seems like mountain t...
yeah
merry pond
it's not 50% from total value tho? Most of these things feels so off, since we already have quite a bit of damage modifiers to most of our things.
strong forum
we dont play any talents that buff SoF
in tww
so its direct 50% buff
we may play best served cold
strong forum
but it competes with the "defensive stance doesnt make you lose dmg anymore and now reduces magic dmg taken by 5%"
merry pond
I was mostly thinking about the shield slam damage increases, considering we already have Brace for impact and punish
merry pond
how are they multiplicative?
tepid nest
we dont play any talents that buff SoF
what is SoF/
strong forum
if you dont play punish
merry pond
I put my head into this once, and then forget for a year and try to think about it again. And every time I hate how Blizzard uses grammatics.
strong forum
SS dmg is reduces by 10% at any stage of the buffs be it with outburst or bfi stacks
outburst increases all SS dmg by 200%
doesnt add +200%
it considers all base multipliers
and THEN multiplies it ontop
by 200%
tepid nest
📈
strong forum
same applies to all other SS mulitpliers
unkempt hazel
what is SoF/
show of force im guessin?
merry pond
IDK how to explain what I mean
tepid nest
show of force im guessin?
oh yes, makes sense
unkempt hazel
🤔
strong forum
what is SoF/
meant to type revenge
merry pond
Have you played PoE @strong forum
merry pond
well I assume you know how the additive / Multiplicative works there?
strong forum
increase/more
unkempt hazel
I mean there's a pile of rotting corpses in every zone, ofc its stinky
strong forum
yeah
unkempt hazel
merry pond
yeah
merry pond
yeah and dumb
merry pond
but why do they even use different grammars then
as in best served cold
10% more damage
but on other things
it's increased
which IMO is actually a difference in grammar
w/e
strong forum
words to be wording
merry pond
not like whatever I whine is gonna change anything
lusty grotto
thats how blizzard has always been
merry pond
shit?
strong forum
the C stands for consistency
merry pond
or Cunts
strong forum
real and true
tribal wharf
speaking fucking of "Clizzard"
we really do need more WIzzard and less Lizzard
wizzards have been casting their magicks it seems
oblique garnet
Good one
blazing condor
fo shizzard
ancient crystal
How much would you guys pay for the cheat death trinket hard mode version
Hypothetically
jagged pier
nothing
lusty grotto
0
ionic fern
0
ancient crystal
Thought that thing was bis for high keys but maybe I’m placing too much worth in it
lusty grotto
hard mode is easy at ilvl cap
ionic fern
It's fine for higher keys, but i wouldn't pay for it.
lusty grotto
undying run is a tad harder, but who gives a shit you want the thing for the effect
ionic fern
Just do hardmode each week and you'll get it.
lusty grotto
hell just get a m0 one
ionic fern
I'm just using my previous tier 489 one.
carmine solstice
??? Just don’t die
lusty grotto
or that yes
ancient crystal
??? Just don’t die
Been finding that pretty hard
jagged pier
what are u considering high keys?
ancient crystal
I mean likes 14s for the future around that level
lusty grotto
thats not high
ancient crystal
Right now I’m 501 ilvl tanking 10s
jagged pier
yer u dont need cheat death in that
ancient crystal
Ah ok
ionic fern
It might be high for him *
jagged pier
if your dying its likely u are playing incorrectly
ionic fern
Not everyone has the same skill level.
ionic fern
That was to you saying "THat's not high".
ancient crystal
Yeah I’m not saying I’m playing well
lusty grotto
yes in response to this #protection message
his "high key" comment wasnt done in a vacuum mwahi
its in relation to other people
jagged pier
Yeah I’m not saying I’m playing well
and a cheat death isnt going to fix that, cheat death can be great when used correctly. but if your stuggling to live in 10s theres an underlying issue that the trinket wont fix
carmine solstice
@ancient crystal tbh just sit D stance and dump rage into IP and you’ll be pretty invincible. Should manage to maintain 100% SB up time all whilst still doing 150k ST.
Once you’re more comfortable and geared you can focus more into damage
ancient crystal
Yeah just thought it’d be good enough to cover my ass
Yeah I know it’s skill issue
carmine solstice
Relying on a save makes you sloppy as a player
lusty grotto
lets start with this: what was the last thing that killed you
pallid quiver
<@184105668872110082> tbh just sit D stance and dump rage into IP and you’ll be ...
Should be noted that if you pump too much rage into IP, you'll rage starve yourself and get less IP overall, but that's a lot harder to do with current tier and stats
lusty grotto
knowing what to do in order to prevent those deaths will help you grow and if you DO push "high" keys eventually, youll need exactly what you need a cheat on
wide charm
Also, I haven't read all of this conversation but we are talking ab out someone tanking 10s in 501il. That's definitely doable but I mean... you are undergeared.
carmine solstice
I mean don’t overcap shield, can use a weak aura to monitor your max 🤷🏻♂️
lusty grotto
depends on his shield ilvl
pallid quiver
Yeah just thought it’d be good enough to cover my ass
Also yeah, if you're dying in 10s, you're likely making too many notable mistakes for a once a 10 minute cheat to even help cover mistakes
wide charm
depends on his shield ilvl
true, most important
pallid quiver
I mean don’t overcap shield, can use a weak aura to monitor your max 🤷🏻♂️
you'll actually overcap most ip presses with how much rage we have
carmine solstice
Also, I haven't read all of this conversation but we are talking ab out someone ...
Tanked 8s at 485 week 1 so I mean
jagged pier
Also, I haven't read all of this conversation but we are talking ab out someone ...
i mean thats also subjective as ppl did 10s in 50 ilvls less
carmine solstice
+15 ilvl is massive
wide charm
Yea, as did I but 10-20 il can be an absolutely massive difference
jagged pier
ilvl still wont cover incorrect play
and with correct play 10s at that ilvl should be fine
wide charm
Of course, but coordination and a group that is using stops =/= pugging 10s
IDK if they were pugging but that was just my assumption
wide charm
I'm gonna refer back to "definitely doable" that I originally said, I'm just saying if you are down 10-20 il... and something goes wrong --- lets say you get a couple stacks of piercing shards in AV
because you are out of CC or they are raging and dps aren't finishing them
You will have much more trouble with handling that
lusty grotto
then you didnt play your stops
wide charm
just because of your il
jagged pier
so thats a miss play
wide charm
yea, fear, stormbolt, shield charge, shockwave
But that doesn't apply sub 30% hp
they are immune
lusty grotto
oh you mean raging
wide charm
If the group sucks, you might end up holding 3 raging mobs for a while
and get 2-3 stacks
carmine solstice
Most deadly thing I’ve experienced were the spikes in uldaman
lusty grotto
shrug
jagged pier
wide charm
That's an example of when il would matter
jagged pier
or as its a ten dont pull 4 of those mobs together
wide charm
I'm sorry maybe there is something I don't understand about AV here --- you can use Spell Block to immune the dot that is put on you?
jagged pier
if u have less gear
wide charm
when that stacks to 3+ it does actually hurt
jagged pier
the dots not the issue its the pfront hit that hurts with stacks u cycle ip and SW on the dot
wide charm
IDK that thing is noticible on 10-11 area as a 518il, I can't imagine with 501il I wouldn't notice a significant difference
I'm not saying I just die I'm saying that the dot at 3+ stacks is NOTICIBLE
waxen frigate
If the group sucks, you might end up holding 3 raging mobs for a while
You should bring an Evoker to Uldaman always on a key level where it’ll matter
That being said
Yes that dot fucks
Dwarf pulls its weight hard in ulda
ionic fern
I'm gonna refer back to "definitely doable" that I originally said, I'm just say...
THose indeed are noticeable.
wide charm
And with 20 less IL your IPs are much weaker as well
jagged pier
can we refer back to this tho
jagged pier
if the guy struggling and its a 10 u dont need to mega pull a 10 to time
part of tanking is knowing what u can handle
u can go slower in that part
and pull big later
where the mobs do literally nothing
wide charm
That's fair but I think it's kinda easy to end up in a position where you pulled the ring packs that already have 2 and then someone snags the pat
happens in pugs
lusty grotto
idk i find AV one of the easiest keys
sure raging can make some shards go off, but spell block takes care of it
its not like raging increases damage anymore anyway
wide charm
It's my favorite since s1. Love that place. IDK it's just the dungeon I enjoy the most
Even before they (rightfully) nerfed the last 2 bosses xD
lusty grotto
i enjoyed it more when you could skip frogs cause it felt faster
not that they do much anyway
wide charm
Those pulls are fun though! The group just needs to actually treat them as cleave instead of focusing them
you just chain that entire 2 rooms/staircase as breakers die
lusty grotto
its not whether its fun or not
wide charm
What was the reason for them fixing that skip anyways? I don't see how it was an exploit if you can still hop off to azureblade's room without ever going to the lower ring
lusty grotto
blizzard being blizzard
spare mantle
Does this class have healing taken % increases?
lusty grotto
no
carmine solstice
spare mantle
If you’re weird enough to take it
I will be taking that, ty
lusty grotto
lol
carmine solstice
😬
lusty grotto
yeah yikers
spare mantle
???
jagged pier
i mean the class is designed not to need healing increases
but each to there own
may i point u to the pins
where there is a literally impossible to die build
lusty grotto
maybe hes going for a leech build in mop LMAO
jagged pier
which takes that talent
urban portal
mitigation IS the healing increase
the more you mitigate the more value each point of healing gets
it just doesnt show up in the meters
lusty grotto
no sense in swimming against the current, people like this have their mind set on something and they wont budge
jagged pier
which is why we have a build for bsv
blazing condor
but what about my 20+ minute skyhold argument that leads nowhere
jagged pier
in the pins
lusty grotto
lol
spare mantle
Bro it is for meme shit in remix, obviously i am not asking for meta builds, i asked about a heal taken increase...
jagged pier
like your health cant move because of leech
lusty grotto
should have frog farmed 😄
spare mantle
Ur fighting pitiful mobs
lusty grotto
pitiful mobs
jagged pier
i have like 40% leech can be fighting hc bosses
it doesnt matter
my hp wont move as im doing like 300k dps
- with indom
when my hp is like 2 mil
and the amount of rage we get thanks to that group tinker gem
urban portal
you leech from borrowed power right
jagged pier
my hp just doesnt move
spare mantle
Anyway, gl with that
spare mantle
Ty
jagged pier
im really wondering what your fighting cause dps are soloing hc raids already
but you do you
jagged pier
i dont know what that means
lusty grotto
yeah shrug its word phrasing
urban portal
you are fist fighting 5 year olds
spare mantle
Well i am not able to solo heroic raids, this is true
urban portal
hes throwing hands with garrosh
lusty grotto
made me laughed not gonna lie
spare mantle
Idk, my health doesnt move either except during tank busters
urban portal
then BSV isnt gonna proc
tight sedge
Any of you clever types know how the Enduring Dreadplate rays are directed? 9/10 times they head off into the pack in front of me but every now and then the rays take a wander off in what I consider a random direction (specifically yesterday on the last boss of nelth, when the whole 5 stacks fell off at once just as the damage ramp hit but instead of gloriously annihilating the boss, the wandered off harmlessly to illuminate my dps ...)
jagged pier
if they dont break the plates
and the buff runs out
it just spazz s out
if u arent in combat
spare mantle
then BSV isnt gonna proc
Yes, we already pointed that out, ty for ur insight
jagged pier
also sometimes in combat it does that
tight sedge
Was in combat, was facing the boss but they buggered off behind me. Wondered if maybe it was camera facing rather than character facing? Or was I just unlucky?
tight sedge
That's unfortunate. I was feeling so smug that I'd timed it just chefs kiss and then 5 rays went wheeling off into the sunset.
lusty grotto
sometimes thats easier being said than done but it is what it is
tight sedge
try your best not to be inside mobs
Will try harder to not penetrate the mobs during combat...
tight sedge
Never been good at that...
south zealot
That's unfortunate. I was feeling so smug that I'd timed it just *chefs kiss* an...
it does that but usually it still does its damage
night heron
Hello! I'be progging Mythic Diurna tonight, I'll be assigned to adds. I was wondering how I should handle my talents. Should I go full AoE or stick to a more ST-oriented build? For example, I don't know what to pick between Thunderlord and Sudden Death...
waxen frigate
Hello! I'be progging Mythic Diurna tonight, I'll be assigned to adds. I was wond...
I would take TL
Most of the fight is just movement and timing
And Dps doing the right things like purging
tribal wharf
is dread plates universally good for tanks now
waxen frigate
Ye
tribal wharf
i imagine it would fuck with how you play dh
waxen frigate
It’s not bis but very strong
tribal wharf
or bear,i don't think bear would like it, but bdk and monk for sure, probably paladin but 50/50 if it'd be good for them
waxen frigate
It’s good for all of them
jagged pier
Hello! I'be progging Mythic Diurna tonight, I'll be assigned to adds. I was wond...
U take disrupting shout
waxen frigate
It’s just varying degrees of defensively useful
south zealot
how useful it is defensively depends on how hard youre getting hit
jagged pier
Carry on
waxen frigate
bruh whyy does next week have to be sanguine
I picked a good week to get hooked on cyberpunk
south zealot
i can finally hit 70 in pandaria ig
night heron
I would take TL
Aight, thanks, I'll try to cook something up
south zealot
those give you rings trinkets and neck right
lusty grotto
yes
night heron
U take disrupting shout
About Dathea btw, if I wanna take disrupting shout, should I drop sudden death and keep 2 points in Bloodborne, or should I keep sudden death and give up Bloodborne?
hardy snow
About Dathea btw, if I wanna take disrupting shout, should I drop sudden death a...
drop sudden death, bloodborne needs 2 points to go further, and spellblock isnt much needed on that fight
night heron
Yeah I guess tough as nails+sudden death can't compete with 2xBloodborne
urban portal
Yeah I guess tough as nails+sudden death can't compete with 2xBloodborne
fairly sure tough as nails is better than 1x bloodborne
but i would probably sim for that
sudden death not great though
waxen frigate
Yeah I guess tough as nails+sudden death can't compete with 2xBloodborne
Tough as nails is literal dogwater
waxen frigate
its not bad
I mean, it is
night heron
I just simmed myself with Sudden Death+Tough as nails VS 2xBloodborne in ST
2xBloodborne sims 201 800k dps
SD+TaN sims 201 300k dps
So it's pretty much the same it would seem
strong forum
youll get alot less TaN value
than on sims
because on sims you get meleed once every 1.6seconds
in raid you sure as fuck wont
urban portal
2xBloodborne sims 201 800k dps
SD+TaN sims 201 300k dps
Try tan+1bb
But yeah bb makes downtime a lot better
urban portal
because on sims you get meleed once every 1.6seconds
I thought he was tanking adds
You can prob cap it out
strong forum
perma AFKing on adds
or killing adds
cuz if you kill adds
then you get fuckall value out of them
cuz adds die in like 4 seconds
unkempt hazel
in general, how do u approach a pack with no rage, like if deeps go at it after a single tc, it feels like I lose aggro a bit too often
grim pilot
u shouldnt lose agro unless dps starts blasting
tc, heroic throw
shield slam
its all more than enough to get some initial agro
I just say "sec agro" or something along the lines
9 out of 10 they wait
if they dont and die, its on them 100%
urban bane
ya what myrtu said; good advice.
in case you don't know, heroic throw does kind of a crazy amount of threat
chucking one out as you go in can help a lot.
lusty grotto
no rage shouldnt matter since TC generates it
charge generates it
shield slam generates it
urban bane
If you're still feelin' iffy and don't mind losing some damage for more peace of mind, you can drop Sidearm for Titanic Throw and just use that as you charge in. It is far from necessary to secure threat early, but it makes it a lil easier. All the threat you'd need right there. Strictly speaking it isn't optimal, though, and will be going away in TWW.
lusty grotto
rage isnt a factor at all
in fact everything you have to press as a prio generates it
strong forum
charge + avatar generate enough rage to get SB up before engaging the pack
so you dont get globalled
aside from that, depends how many packs you pull
but assuming you have everything ready you just ravager->charge+avatar->TC->demo->roar->sc
IP as you need to to dump rage
carmine solstice
Charge critters for free rage during dungeons 👑
jagged pier
actually theres a critter that allows to go from 3rd boss AA to the trash beofre the last boss without dropping stacks
pallid quiver
actually theres a critter that allows to go from 3rd boss AA to the trash beofre...
It's called the worn doll, because all yellow critters already dead
;-;
unkempt hazel
ic ic, thanks
pallid quiver
Is it the one tucked off in one of the gardens near stairs, but not on stairs?
I thiiiink I know the one
jagged pier
that ones usually not dead for me yer
pallid quiver
Yeah, it usually isn't, but I'm dum so i doll there most times and then feel bad
Ulda I feel the dps murdering them, though, when coming back from dorfs when hitting Bro first
polar wedge
am I the only one to have healer taking aggr oon bosses and mobs like 20 seconds after pull on remix? It's horrible
strong forum
remix is anything but working as intended
lusty grotto
have you tried upgrading your weapon
if the healer farmed frogs, youre never getting agro
period, end of story
just dps cause theyll be immortal anyway
plush tendon
Exploit early exploit often
lusty grotto
so far im having no issues
lusty grotto
im doing ok
lusty grotto
ive been carrying these heroics
blazing condor
keys are actually fun when youre very undergeared
same with being well geared and pushing i guess but i dont do that
toxic pewter
Hopefully all the exploiters are permanently banned
toxic pewter
It is
lusty grotto
absolutely not
toxic pewter
It is though
toxic pewter
What u mean
lusty grotto
its the same fucking thing
toxic pewter
It is an exploit when something obviously not intended and people still do it
lusty grotto
but it IS intended
toxic pewter
That’s the definition of an exploit
Wat u mean they reverted the threads
That was never intended
lusty grotto
no, they nerfed bronze drops
toxic pewter
Hence the exploit occurring
lusty grotto
youre smoking some huge crack apb
toxic pewter
And the threads too
No longer drop from them
I win you resorted to ad hominem
It is done.
lusty grotto
its a farm
that existed
whether blizz wanted it to be the mostoptimal bronze farm or not
lusty grotto
thats on blizzard
toxic pewter
People exploited an obviously broken situation
lusty grotto
for not going after the #1 mop farm frist
toxic pewter
What do you think an exploit is though lol
toxic pewter
The frogs themselves are not an issue
south zealot
its not even a new farm
lusty grotto
an exploit is using torghast power to 1 shot mythic bosses
mop is intentionally giving huge power creeps to players because thats the whole point
toxic pewter
So people doing obviously imbalanced and incorrect stuff that eventually a sane individual will consider be corrected and then doing it anyway
lusty grotto
frog farming was and always has been an extremely efficient farm
south zealot
hyperspawns exist in the game
south zealot
its just a function of the game
toxic pewter
You’re missing the point. The frog farm itself are not the issue. It is what was dropping
The threads and bronze
lusty grotto
which was blizzard's fault for not correcting in PTR
toxic pewter
Both can be true at the same time
toxic pewter
They’re not mutually exclusive
weary saddle
toxic pewter
Those people exploiting that also should be banned
grim pilot
does this work on bosses
blazing condor
spriest meta????? 👀
grim pilot
s1
lusty grotto
yeah true
lusty grotto
kind of related to the leech discussion i had a few days ago
seems like dungeon critters are following the same rules as outworld critters
should be an easy fix
and now that tettles has posted it
south zealot
itll happen turbo fast
lusty grotto
it'll get attention
inner forge
Hi im new to prot warrior, been playing mostly guardian druid.
Does prot warrior have any selfhealing at all? I feel like i realy so much on the healer at the moment, Cheers
potent anvil
Indomitable, Impending Victory, 5% leech
potent anvil
Oh.. I guess prot gets 10% leech
lusty grotto
we are not a healing tank
south zealot
prot warrior mitigates damage instead of relying on healing the damage you take
you still heal a decent amount
inner forge
oh okey, With the shield block ability that gives 100% block chance right?
south zealot
in this azure vault, i healed for like just under 90 million
the healer only healed me for 35m
lusty grotto
yes shield block is your most important mitigation tool
lusty grotto
use spell block for magic damage with spell reflect etc
south zealot
better hwne everyone uses them immediatelyt
inner forge
Hm
Okey thanks for the tips, I’ll try to get better at prot warrior, seems pretty fun and different from my other tanks
grim pilot
bro i'm trying to communicate to a guardian druid that he shouldn't have 2 hunters in bh as an actual pull
it's inefficient
and shit
grim pilot
man wants to pull 2 mobs
south zealot
o
grim pilot
ye my magus is coming along
south zealot
son of rat wtf
grim pilot
actual rat
south zealot
my fort io is kind of pretty
3 free keys on top
3 middle keys
2 hard keys on bottom
south zealot
im trying but theres like 0 groups even in group finder
and i really dont wanna do my nokhud key lol
lusty grotto
pandaria is fun though
potent anvil
Oh wait, 16 academy. That's free though.
lament musk
pwar so fun
i dont know routing or what exactly does dmg yet so i just wing it
big part of the fun
south zealot
timed surely
grim pilot
yaya
idk
people are not kicking regular casts in elo hell
so when shit goes through
it still does 80% of your health
leaden shard
bro i'm trying to communicate to a guardian druid that he shouldn't have 2 hunte...
on the fort bolster week i pulled 4 mobs total because the party was getting SLAMMED by auto shots of bolstered hunters
"pull more pls"
I pull 5 mobs next pack and they die one by one without using any of their cc or defensives
2 packs later the warlock leaves after saying to go more
ok
i cant wait to play with people who dont snooze pressing their interrupt key
lusty tiger
u used up your parries on the other mobs gg
jagged gust
hit the parry cap, such a casual
plush tendon
grim pilot
u can deflec tthe damage treemouths does to you
u mean
the frontal
or the soak
because sometimes u soak but u dont soak
not sure why
south zealot
it does damage to you but you can deflect it
south zealot
or is that more of a 50/50
seems like it
it worked once and i just tried again and it didnt work
icy flax
if you accidentally consume your reflect
You keep the magic DR even after You reflect a spell
south zealot
yeah but you wont be able to reflect something potentially important
icy flax
That's fair but I'd assume there's nothing else to reflect in that scenario
hollow marsh
peak S4 gameplay
you should do +15 with ease , why you are doing 10s
lusty grotto
cause he doesnt care
its a meme season and there's a lot to do
outside of it, that is
south zealot
why did an aug tell me to 'not tank with my ass' bc i died to basilisks
while he has caut up
mild latch
guys, I need help
the chomper crocodiles in uldaman are absolutely wrecking me this week
idk what I'm doing wrong but those little fuckers destroy me through sb + ip + dstance and even shield wall
ilvl 523, key level 12-13 range
no other pack in any other dungeon comes close to these things
please help 
quiet pagoda
Taunt and run ! 😬
lusty grotto
play stops
i assume youre not a dwarf
bring and evoker and have them cauterize you
bring a paladin and make them bop you and immediately cancelaura bop
most of us pull a lot of them so they go down with lust
if everything else fails, wall, then demo, dstance dont stack them
wild sentinel
when tanks gonna stop pull AVs last boss near the wall
ionic fern
Never.
lusty grotto
the guys that timed the first 20
lusty grotto
are still dragging the boss to walls to bait crystal placement
south zealot
wait but pulling it near the wall is conpletely fine
lusty grotto
yeah idk what the problem is
wild sentinel
wall doesnt even do anything for crystal anymore
lusty grotto
well they did it, so its gonna happen
wild sentinel
i assume some do it to reduce the knockback
south zealot
this is probably cope but it feels like the crystals are more condensed against the wall
wild sentinel
the orbs make it really hard to get to crystals as melee when you tank near the wall
lusty grotto
thats not the walls problem
south zealot
the chomper crocodiles in uldaman are absolutely wrecking me this week
shield wall when you have 2 stacks
south zealot
the orbs make it really hard to get to crystals as melee when you tank near the ...
just have to move the boss
and not push right after balls drop
wild sentinel
in pugs the crystals can drop when orbs drop
lusty grotto
the wall has nothing to do with that lmao
wild sentinel
the wall doesnt do anything though
wild sentinel
its easier to be in the center
south zealot
the fight being pushed at a bad time is not a consequence of the wall
also im pretty sure the crystals are affected by the wall
since you know
they cant go beyond the wall
so theres 3 directions they can go instead of 4
wild sentinel
they go up the hill of the wall, literally can spawn anywhere you can stand
south zealot
yeah thats still better than not being stacked at all
every melee spec except like ww can either hit the ones up high
or charge to them in sone capacity
easily
wild sentinel
nah i still think pug tanks are trolling if they stand by the wall
south zealot
i still think youre wrong
lusty grotto
i think YOU'RE trolling honestly
south zealot
and thats also not the issue you were talking about
wild sentinel
maybe if your having all ranged dps
south zealot
the push timing can be super troll
wild sentinel
its a pug, cant control what pugs do
south zealot
can still avoid the balls even if its grief
wild sentinel
ill just ask tanks every key to not go by the wall then
lusty grotto
and hopefully they ignore you
south zealot
but like why
wild sentinel
its just better
wild sentinel
does almost nothing
lusty grotto
hes just picking a thing to blame
wild sentinel
because the potential problems that can be caused are bigger than any small benefit for a pug
south zealot
youre nore likely ro just not have enough time bc rhey are spread
over something being so egregiously out of range and have a comp that just cant kill one
idk man
lusty grotto
im just bewildered by not having people know how to do the fight correctly being "better"
wild sentinel
they are spread just the same amount, cant even tell a difference in their groupings
south zealot
i dont believe you
lusty grotto
youve said this like 10 times
wild sentinel
because thats what ive seen
lusty grotto
okie
south zealot
even if u wipe on that boss
just go again
surely youre not over time right
btw i think its crazy av has its timer and neltharus still has 33 mins
and uldaman 35
wild sentinel
i guess it doesnt really matter anyways
wild sentinel
a new expansion is coming
lusty grotto
people are EXPECTED to know when to push
south zealot
idk man there are some super boosted gamers in 15s 16s
lusty grotto
and it its a low vault key
idk what the fuck the complaint is about
cause its free
south zealot
im kind of boosted too
wild sentinel
wouldnt need to know when to if not against the wall, but it was a 14
lusty grotto
ESPECIALLY on fort week
south zealot
i just randomly die sometimes and have no idea why
wild sentinel
so its not high enough to have the consistency of players
lusty grotto
sounds to me like timmy didnt move from an orb and blaming the wall
except
ill always tank the damn thing in the wall
wild sentinel
nah a line of crystals blocked me from the last one and it went off
lusty grotto
pfft lol
wild sentinel
i was holding burst for only crystals to try and not phase it
lusty grotto
case in point
dps that doesnt know when to push boss
blames wall for orb death
instead of
you know
wild sentinel
either way, dont think theres any noticable difference in the grouping of crystals by the wall. but this expansion is almost over. sucks they led the last season with df dungeons
lusty grotto
watching the boss' energy
south zealot
idk i never think the current seasons keys are good
i hated lower karazhan
but that was kind of a banger key
after week 3 of nerda
nerfs
south zealot
i thought dawn was pretty mediocre
wild sentinel
it was a whatever dungeon
south zealot
mechagon and tazavesh are basically the same
wild sentinel
but it falls in line with df dungeons
south zealot
brackenhide was close to being really good
wild sentinel
i think aa isnt too bad if i ignore season one before the nerfs
although maybe that was just thundering with pugs that made me have bad memeories of season one
south zealot
thundering was really really bad
wild sentinel
i still remember the first week was quaking. i went into a ruby with thundering quaking and all the aoe swirlies in that dungeon. i felt like my brain got overloaded with things happening lol
south zealot
they should atleast TRY a season with positive affixes
why do i have to be upset every week
yippee its sanguine tomorrow
entire week is unplayable
ionic nimbus
well uldaman is at least
Uldaman feels like pain with the most affixes…
wild sentinel
ya positive affixes sound way more fun
ionic fern
Cool.
tight sedge
It's hard to complete it if you don't?
plush imp
It's hard to complete it if you don't?
My 4 other mate do it for me.
tight sedge
Pacifist tanking has never been my favorite strategy...
lusty grotto
even for vanilla veterans like me its fucking ass
south zealot
and running treemouths
plush imp
except really bad classic andies
Im a tank, I can handle this……..
lusty grotto
not doing damage feels terrible
south zealot
bro i was doing 150k st with an aug
south zealot
it was so sad
lusty grotto
no i meant the classic andy
hell im not even sure thats the right word
cause classic andies went fury tanking
and damage was a big deal
south zealot
they also care about parses WAY too much
lusty grotto
well i mean in relation to getting one guy'ed
ionic nimbus
Anyone else missing twilight devastation after using dreadplates?
ionic nimbus
Pls no more remixes, can not handle farming 30 time limited mounts every year…
jagged pier
tbf
ionic nimbus
Besides of that mop is kinda fun
jagged pier
u have like a 3rd of a year to farm them
lusty grotto
im liking mop
jagged pier
and u can get like a lot in 1 day
jagged pier
as most are under 10k
plus soon enough in a week or so u will be able to solo all content if u didnt frog farm
so then u can farm it in your own time
just like normal mount farming
and tmog farming
lusty grotto
yeah im hoping thats the case
jagged pier
well there ppl that frogged farmed that are now solo hc raids
ionic nimbus
Me2
jagged pier
so it will get there eventually
like im just upgrading my gear atm havent bought any tmog/mounts yet
lusty grotto
same
lusty grotto
ive been 70 since friday
ancient crystal
AA we take vers right?
jagged pier
as u can lfr for xp gain and raid for xp gain
ionic nimbus
I mean I already have 1/3 of the mounts with a char under 70, but it’s feeling not that good when you feel dragged into the content for the mounts not the fun. Was the same with plunderstorm… it’s a personal thing, nothing to complain in general
jagged pier
AA we take vers right?
haste
pallid quiver
Should still be haste
jagged pier
always haste
lusty grotto
ye
pallid quiver
It's flat percent innit?
jagged pier
ye
slender gull
I must be doing Something wrong I keep getting wrecked in nelth chain boss until I’m finished dragging him through chains any tips ?
waxen frigate
I must be doing Something wrong I keep getting wrecked in nelth chain boss until...
Are you using dstance and cycling cooldowns on top of that? Making sure to also layer on demo shout?
jagged pier
are the chains being broken correctly?
slender gull
I am using dstance and I’m using defensive . What’s the correct way staying still and having dps drag chains through him ?
Mostly just pugging keys
waxen frigate
I am using dstance and I’m using defensive . What’s the correct way staying stil...
Nooo
You want to be proactive
And break them as soon as the previous debuff expires
Most of the Dps won’t move for you they just plant and pump
Well, they’re pugs, so they probably just plant. And don’t really pump
slender gull
lol 😂. Yeah I always try and drag him
waxen frigate
You want to pre-move to have him jump straight onto a first chain
So you don’t waste any initial time
blazing condor
how does the new chargath tank buster work? is it a stacking debuff depending on how many chains you break or what?
did it at 490 on a 10 yesterday and it didnt really hurt
but we only broke a chain at a time
waxen frigate
I think he just empowers his attacks or smth
waxen frigate
looked like i had a 3 sec debuff of some sort
Well that’s the chain dot
Which goes on everyone when you break a chain and stacks
blazing condor
cant find any changelogs
waxen frigate
Idk but they definitely changed it
He also no longer does his little death circle around him
So melee don’t have to afk during chains anymore
Can just freely hit him
You can also still break chains of dead people rather than just having to wait it out and heal through the enrage dot
waxen frigate
It hits harder on tyran
But it caught a heavy nerf week 1
Because it was insane for tanks
blazing condor
yeah the whole dungeon was a bit spooky for me with low gear
chargath will probably truck
blazing condor
tepid nest
perhaps not an easy question to answer and i appreciate their applications differ a little but which is a more defensive leaning hybrid trinket option, dreadplates or rageheart?
in m+
jagged pier
plates
trail ocean
Does Plates having Strength whereas rage heart has Vers play a part in that as well?
jagged pier
a small part but yes
blazing condor
yeah thats what my bad english is trying to convey
blazing condor
potent anvil
unkempt hazel
not even sure what imma get with bronze
blazing condor
just buy all the rare mounts tbh
jagged pier
u can buy all of them
unkempt hazel
im silly
jagged pier
u just need the bronze
unkempt hazel
yeah but im 25 and alrdy kinda bored
blazing condor
just get friends 
unkempt hazel
jagged pier
u just do lfr and normal to get the xp buffs
lusty tiger
I got 38, pwar has been pretty fun
blazing condor
im playing as a druid 
lusty tiger
I already bought a cool tmog
lusty tiger
War feels pretty immortal. And when I group with higher levels they have this gem that gives the party a haste buff but it doesn’t scale down so on some bosses I will be permanently over 100% haste
undone beacon
I watched a frog farmer pwar solo in my HoF group with Mark of Arrogance alone
It was intimidating
lusty tiger
Is mark of arrogance the one that puts a dot on your attackers?
orchid gulch
Yup
lusty tiger
I have that one, I should try it out
jagged pier
its really good if your the higher scaling tank
if yu have a bdk u have nearly zero chance of having aggro
lusty tiger
I’m still doing dungeons so far (have hit all my raids though)
Is bdk op in the dps department?
jagged pier
its the same as anything else
its some wack aggro scaling
like 1 blood boil
and u can never get it back
lusty tiger
Jeez
jagged pier
like they dont do more or less damage than us some as any other tank
for some reason their aggro scaling is off, from my experience
like ive been doing trash where ive bursted a 1million damage or on council bosses
lusty tiger
They need to turn off frost presence
lusty tiger
LOL
tepid nest
if you were to go for BSV, do you actually NEED bolster to maintain 100% effective SB uptime?
jagged pier
no
tepid nest
ok cheers
strong forum
Need 100% haste permanently for that
With champions bulwark you need permanent 67% haste
tepid nest
i guess i dont notice quite how much shield charge helps me with SB uptime, i thought it seemed totally doable without it but
obviously not
strong forum
Getting 8 seconds of block every 45seconds for free
Does alot
You could also opt to play HR instead of ITF and then have 1 wiggle point of freedom
But in this day and age you'd lose alot of dmg
tepid nest
its hard to imagine a talent point that would be worth droppign ITF for