protection

[jagged pier]

Crit block is nothing to do with block chance

[sullen dagger]

cool

ty for ingo

*info

[jagged pier]

Crit blocking is like just an rng chance for your block to reduce the damage further to a cap of 85%

[carmine solstice]

You need to be able to block to critically block 🫡

[cunning inlet]

I’m pugging / working on 12’s at the moment. No issues getting into groups. Things that may be at play. Do you have depleted keys in your io? Do you have a fair number of 2 chested keys? Are you fairly even across the board raising your io.

[lusty grotto]

depleting keys has no relevance

it makes absolutel 0 difference

and it pisses me off when people cant complete on a homework key

for some loot

dont fucking do it

if anything, having keys depleted lets you know they have actually practiced it on X level

[grim pilot]

yep

whenever I see someone having depleted that key

it tells me that he played it

and hes not gonna be surprised

at the damage coming or whatever there can be

[lusty grotto]

[grim pilot]

if I have x2 healers or tanks that have similar io

but one of them depleted that key 5 times

I'll take that one

also it shows he fucking sticked

and didnt mind to finish

instead of being a prick because it's gonna show on io

boohoo

I legit had a guy leave a key at 5% of last boss (he was a tank) so we all died because the key would be seconds overtimed

so I specced prot

[lusty grotto]

yeah those people are scum

[grim pilot]

and we finished it

literally other peoples idea (full pug) for me to tank it

just so it shows on the tanks raider io page

[lusty grotto]

yeah its garbage behavior

and i hope that one dude wasnt alluding to the fact that having depleted keys is bad

because its just the opposite

the people that consider it bad, are the exact type of group you want to avoid

you cant 1 shot a key up past a certain mark

[echo egret]

Do they make you sign a charter when you wanna play ret pally ? Saying you shall never kick, or never use the CC talent you specced in ?

[pallid quiver]

I believe mastery still ups chance to block, doesn't it?

Though you only get the various shield block benefits like SS damage if SB is active, so you should still press it, but

[pallid quiver]

That's the DPS Code of Conduct

Palas just religiously adhere to it with zealous fervor because

Well

[echo egret]

I highly suspec the DH population are the same kind

Overpopulated with morons because 'it's the meta spec so I'll rock playing it"

[pallid quiver]

Hey, I've now seen two VDHs actually press a silence sigil.in a key while on my Shaman

That's double what I've seen so far

[lusty grotto]

just like the mage pop doesnt believe on all of there whole 4 defensives

[lusty grotto]

thats pretty much it

[pallid quiver]

But they gotta keep alter time for the movement, bro

[south zealot]

i was so close to leaving a key today

partially bc i was gonna be late for work

but i got so tilted

[vital plinth]

question is Ouroboreal Necklet worth? got it and was runnin a few keys that has nature dmg and im not seeing it on my details.

[sand pebble]

no - its when you deal naturee or fire dam

1m cd for a small shield

[south zealot]

its almost entirely useless

[vital plinth]

yeah cuz i have alot of fire dmg so i assumed the nature shield would be helpful but i aint seeing anything xD. i got forgestorm and eragon ring and helm inchant also decoration of flame atm. i was asked to switch to tank so i dont have rageheart yet. oh well

[sand pebble]

nah its got a 1m cd on the proc, fire or nature dam not both (getting a shield from fire will prevent the nature shield and vise versa)

[south zealot]

rageheart is overrated anyways

[vital plinth]

yeah i want dreadplate. heard its fun af. 15 sec of cant touch this

i got cheat and deco atm. spamming bracken for splinter.

[south zealot]

dreadplateis very good

[frosty mango]

How’s dreadplate compare to granyths

The dr on granyths seemed nice for wars

[wide charm]

I've been using Dreadplate as of this week and it is quite noticible when I have it rolling. I very seriously doubt Granyth's keeps up at all
The mitigation is hard to track but you can easily feel it and it without question does significantly more damage
In the 10 uldaman I did earlier today it did 29m @frosty mango

[wide charm]

not so much this week but week 2 of the season was what I was referring too, and no I didn't have any depleted keys, ~8s week 1 on that character --- playing 3 characters so it's possible that it was mostly that I had no scores on that week on that thursday I played so people were just hittin' no.
But even still, this week I've only done a couple keys on that toon and I'll sit there in queue for 2-3 minutes before people accept or occassionally get a decline.
2.7k - https://raider.io/characters/us/stormscale/Leidaraion - not high but easily enough for that key area.
-- Whereas on my holy priest I almost never get declined nor have to sit there waiting for them to decide if they want a 2.7k holy priest to heal. They accept usually right away

[frosty mango]

I dps main but I have to tank keys so I generally can’t grab bullion tank items. I’ve been trying to farm granyths and splinter but I’m at 40+ runs and haven’t seen either

About to just spend the bullion for rageheart or dreadplate

[frosty mango]

In your case it’s probably lack of keys

Just low completed count

[wide charm]

That's is such a stupid metric to look at but I guess I get it...

[frosty mango]

It’s prominent in the raider io addon ui

And generally someone who has 100+ completed keys is a far less risky invite than someone with 20

[wide charm]

meh, I can understand people generally thinking that. But the 11 AV I did last night where 2 of our 2.9k rated DPS didn't know you have to focus the hardened crystal on the last boss demonstrate that you ultimately truly just don't know.

[stiff wagon]

I wished people interrupted/cc more its freaking brutal.

[wide charm]

Oh they don't. At all. It's gross.
Another fun thing DPS do is immediately AOE stun a pack before it's grouped

Grade A nonsense right there

[south zealot]

the armor doenst matter, you already take super low damage from small hits anyway so dreadplate functions as a pseudo immunity and just does more damage

[frosty mango]

The granyths has a 75% DR up to its shield value - wouldn’t that make it functionally equivalent defensively just with lower damage?

Haven’t been able to get my hands on it to figure out how it calculates the reduction

[wide charm]

It doesn't mitigate nearly as much as Dreadplate does

No shot I'd believe that

I mean, you can't exactly track it but it feels ridiculous when you have it active.

I remember using Granyth's the first 2 weeks of the season and it was doing like 8-10m healing per dungeon

[frosty mango]

I’m less interested in how much it mitigates and more so how that 75% dr works

[wide charm]

damage was very low

[frosty mango]

Damage I can see being poopoo

[stiff wagon]

@wide charm @frosty mango so granyth's is more of a good defensive trinket than it is a offensive trinket?

[frosty mango]

No idea

Based on logs the damage is far far lower than other trinkets

[wide charm]

I mean, yes, but also where it is positioned on wowhead's BIS trinket list for prot warrior is definitely correct. (C tier : https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear)

[frosty mango]

Can’t speak on how good it is defensively

I’m using a 483 rageheart to tank 14s so

[stiff wagon]

I'm going to get rageheart this comign week after reset.

[south zealot]

its better defensively than offesnively yes

but theres better defensive options

[stiff wagon]

@wide charm @frosty mango

in regards to DPS, granyth's is pretty far down.
dreadplate in dps is #1

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/warrior/protection/trinkets/castingpatchwerk5

when there are more mobs i think

[stiff wagon]

I feel I don't need to equip to 2defensive trinkets. 1 defensive and 1 offensive

[south zealot]

use dreadplates and anvil then

[stiff wagon]

how come not s ignet out of curiosity?

[south zealot]

its less reliable than anvil bc you cant extend if youre forced to drop combat

[stiff wagon]

my hesitation with dreadplate is what about the movement slow ?

can it be a issue? @south zealot

[south zealot]

it can but ive never had it be an issue

[stiff wagon]

So its more of be careful when to use especialy if requires you to move out of stuff etc

[frosty mango]

Anvil is a lot easier to keep up than signet

I have both. Anvil almost never drops unless it’s nokhud and signet is a struggle

[warm plinth]

Hi cuties

[vale bolt]

Does anyone have a link to the prot warrior changes? I can't find them on wowhead but I remember seeing something about them a few weeks back

Nvm think I found it

[pallid quiver]

ur a brand of orange

gottem

[pallid quiver]

Mostly damage changes, Battering Ram nerfs to compensate, Enduring Alacrity doubled

[south zealot]

team i just OMEGA inted a key

but its fine bc it was my own key and my group was insane

we wouldve 3 chested if i didnt actively try to play as bad as possible

[onyx cedar]

hi guys, noob question. How do I get the heroic version of cheat death trinket from dawn (522ilvl one)?

[weary saddle]

do doti on hard mode by talking to npc in beginning

[hollow bolt]

Dont worry i pull a 4 and a 14 the same way, i let god sort out the rest

[ancient crystal]

what can i drop from the push m+ talent tree for disrupting shout?

[south zealot]

bloodsurge

@grim pilot closer

if i had real potions instead of shocking discloure

monk wf and dont drop anvil the one time i did this key

easy 500k

priest got turbo unlucky that key it was actually so sad, only one of his deaths was like

really avoidable

[violet ginkgo]

finally last boss HOI, but this is help from stacked anvil too

[south zealot]

the higher the key level you do, the more spell reflect does exponentially

and you can get more bc the boss has so much health

its sick

[violet ginkgo]

agree choco, and this is also forti week

tyran week will be higher for sure XD

[south zealot]

yeah i think last week i was seeing some 11m reflects eevery time

[wide charm]

You reflecting the surge on last boss hoi?

The second boss in Nohkud is great for spell reflecting, you can do dozens of millions of dmg reflecting Wind Burst

[lusty grotto]

were aware

its on the pinned list after all

since forever

[wide charm]

Well damn, sorry for speaking

[south zealot]

i dont look at that list

i learn new reflects everyday

[lusty grotto]

well the uldaman tornado one isn't explicitly on the list, i think

[south zealot]

oh dude

i forgot to do that in my last uldaman

[lusty grotto]

anyway thats the only one

[wide charm]

the tornado?

[violet ginkgo]

the focused deluge, not the squal buffet

[wide charm]

Yea I called it surge forgot the actual name

"Focused Deluge"

[lusty grotto]

yes you reflect the tornado in the intermission phase, you press reflect and run to a tornado and you relfect the damage to one of the 4 golems

only after their shield is down

on emberon

[wide charm]

oh interesting

[violet ginkgo]

Hmmm I rarely do uldaman but when I do I will look at that Nim

Or maybe I could do M0 to check it

[lusty grotto]

uldaman is a big reflect dungeon

[south zealot]

its aight

[lusty grotto]

not nearly as much as nok

[south zealot]

hard to call it big reflect dungeon when in nokhud its top dam

but yeah thats an outlier

[lusty grotto]

any deaths on boss fights means youre gonna have big reflects

but if youre having deaths

[violet ginkgo]

Nokhud last boss is indeed like almost every spell reflect is reflect conduit, I still haven't got the full timing to reflect back to back to back, after 2/3 usually there is a gap

[lusty grotto]

on uldaman bosses, youre likely to not time it

gaps easy with with spell block

[wide charm]

can you actually get every single one consistently? I feel like I always end up where it's on CD ONCE

each time

[lusty grotto]

you can if your routing is good

ISP routing

[wide charm]

lmao

[lusty grotto]

network reated

doesnt really matter, if your key boils down to you doing a reflect to time it

youre already in problems

[wide charm]

Yea, even the ones that don't get reflected on him are inconsequential you always have shield wall and/or spell block but I was just curious. Usually I can reflect all but 1 or max 2 anyways throughout the fight

[violet ginkgo]

@lusty grotto you mean the fire tornado right? does the tornado must be near golem to get damaged? Earlier I tried put reflect up but no reflect sound, I must've doing it wrong.

[lusty grotto]

no

just wait until their shield is down

[violet ginkgo]

their shield is down, we were hitting it and there is tornado nearby and I tried walk with SR up, no reflect sound but I might've not get hit by tornado too.

[lusty grotto]

you will 100% get a reflect sound

the dot will go to whichever casted the tornado\

[fallen lichen]

Is prot warrior dps insane? I’m doing so much overall on my prot compared to my dh and monk

I’m still grinding 8s and 9s to gear up and usually #1 or #2 overall

[south zealot]

its pretty good

idk if id say insane

but its def in the upper half

LMAOOOO theres no way

a group in group finder said "tank please"

i apply

delists and immediately pulls

"vdh please"

[blazing condor]

Based

[south zealot]

i completely respect their decision bc its a full magic damage comp

but that shit was so funny

[violet ginkgo]

god damn it why blizz can't buff us to be pair with VDH

[jagged pier]

no dh should be doing more for sure

monk maybe still after the nerfs

[south zealot]

based on very little evidence at all, i feel like prot and brew are very close

dh is a bit above

moreso if you count their superior buff

[ancient crystal]

i dont see in pins what to craft, wowhead says 2x shadowflame patch

[south zealot]

yeah do that

[ancient crystal]

is that the same or are there better choices?

alright

[blazing condor]

2x shadowflame is the play

Unless you play offspec i think vers wrists can be good too

[ancient crystal]

gotcha

[echo egret]

I'm never DPSing so I have no clue : what is hard about the thunder drake in RLP ? I see tons and tons of death there...

[south zealot]

its a fuck ton of burst damage

[quaint wind]

Debuff

[south zealot]

the fire dragon is a ton of rot damage

lightning is burst

[echo egret]

myeah although most deathes are due to breath

*in my pug experience

[south zealot]

thats just ppl being bad

[echo egret]

I have noticed that ranged players WANT to stay at range at all cost, even when it makes dodging a breath 10x harder

[quaint wind]

Anyone know if there is a spark catch up mechanic?

[south zealot]

there is

[quaint wind]

Drops?

[south zealot]

i had to do the weekly quest before i started getting catchup

[quaint wind]

Oooooh ok

So get current weekly done then just do content

Copy

Thank you

Just picked my warrior back up from s1 abandoned and was hoping the craft would give me a boost

[fallen lichen]

It might be my personal skillevel offc. On my dh I do big aoe dmg but falls back in st and end on about 200-300 overall in most dungeons, while on my war I can end on 300-400k overall.
I guess I should analyze my dh logs a bit.

[rigid hull]

which flask do u guys usually run

[orchid mural]

tepid vers

[strong forum]

Crit

[jagged pier]

i would run crit if i still didnt have like 200 vers flasks left from what i bought in S1

[blazing condor]

bro stockpiled

jakey the type of guy to buy 300 rolls of toilet paper once covid hit

[grim pilot]

I keep forgetting to use potions in keys

xdd

as a tank

[rigid hull]

BRuh

[rigid hull]

how did u do 442 overall 💀

[grim pilot]

Pad

Play correct talents

And offensive trinkets

[rigid hull]

do u guys ever like everrrrrrrrrr

prio tclap

i dont think anyone does?

[grim pilot]

iirc 8 targets clap is more dam

[sand pebble]

outburst tc in aoe

[grim pilot]

generally shield slam should be your highest prio since there's always a priority target but

me and choco are just chasing overalls

[rigid hull]

https://tenor.com/view/arno-breker-spud-gif-12818611053390299192

u know what i like about overall as tank

when u are high on the meter

dps players panic

they dont want a tank to pass them

[sand pebble]

anyone deep diving mop remix or just that one guide on wowhead and move on?

[steep horizon]

I'm tryin but I chose fury haven't tried prot at all

[sand pebble]

ngl prot pretty insane

[lusty tiger]

In remix?

[ancient crystal]

What key level is this

[sand pebble]

yer

[sand pebble]

game trows stats at you

breaking 100% crit whene i hit a stunned mob and almost perma 87% haste in combat

[lusty tiger]

Sick lol

[rigid hull]

Whats this panda remix about

[pallid quiver]

you go through panda land with modern kit

[steep horizon]

Might swap prot

[pallid quiver]

and they slap you with god modes

Also, once you level a char up, you can bungo level alts

[steep horizon]

Kinda like Diablo meets wow speed running

[pallid quiver]

Since you get a stacking exp bonus that's account wide

[steep horizon]

U also get all sorts of transmogs and old mounts that were impossible to farm

[sand pebble]

its slow at first

[steep horizon]

Snowballs tho

[sand pebble]

yeah lol

[polar wedge]

am I the only one to get destroyed by mobs and bosses in instances and have no aggro generation on MoP remix?

[plush path]

hey ive been playing prot war on classic but i just swithced over to retail, im lvl 50 right now and strugglign with threat in dungeons, am i going to lose threat this easily at lvl 70 as well?

[frosty mango]

It’s almost impossible to lose threat at max level unless there is a massive gear disparity between you and your dps

And I mean massive

Sub max level scaling makes a lot of things wonky

Because someone could be level 10 and doing dps that’s like 30x yours due to scale factors

[rigid hull]

HOW DO i deal with magic damage in ruby?

it was a key 14

handled first pull

second pull was rough

maybe double defensive trinkets?

[frosty mango]

Spell block spell reflect

Spell block is big

Can also rage pool for ignore pain if you absolutely have to

[sand pebble]

use armor gem, upgrade gems to leggo and they give stam

[frosty mango]

IMO usually if you feel like you’re getting shredded it’s either shield block uptime low or you’re not leveraging ignore pain enough when you need it

Also those mobs can be stunned/kicked and really shouldn’t be blasting you much

[plush path]

do you guys fr switch talents when raiding or doing mythic dungeons and stuff?

and is it a very big setback if i dont switch

[frosty mango]

Yes and it can be yes

[plush path]

bruh

is it also a whole other playstyle

or just some passives

[frosty mango]

If you roll into m+ with raid talents that have no control options then yea you’re kinda trolling people

If you rolled into raid with m+ talents I doubt anyone would notice

[rigid hull]

bros

any youtube prot player i can watch?

all dungeons POVs

[sand pebble]

about the only one that comees to mind but i dont watch alot of it

https://www.youtube.com/@SenseNurfed

[rigid hull]

YE ive checked sense but

he hasnt uploaded all of em

theres like 3 or 4

[sand pebble]

most of the other names i can think of just play m+ top end and play the meta tank, not pwar specific

[potent anvil]

Sense owns

[sand pebble]

^^ its true

[fading bear]

any tips to handle the chomp bleed from uldaman crocos? got badly wrecked

[sand pebble]

stun them, play dwarf

[fading bear]

they do it to often to reliably stun the cast by myself i think

[proud silo]

helps to have an evoker to cleanse bleed too

[rigid hull]

is this rumbling ruby damage normal?

it seems too low

it was academy

[grim pilot]

its rng

as in

you can have it proc on 1t and on 20t

[strong forum]

For academy shieldslam is too slow for my taste

And roar aswell

[ancient crystal]

What would you take instead?

[frosty mango]

Tanked it on 14 last night

My best tip is to run

Maybe better warriors can do some voodoo shit but fuck them crocs

[frosty mango]

Seems bout right’s

I find anvil usually outclasses ruby in most dungeons

[stiff wagon]

@frosty mango when you pop dreadplate does the buff effect show you how many plates you currently have

i forget if you have dreadplate lol.

[frosty mango]

I don’t have e dreadplate. I have a 483 rageheart. Imagine trinkets dropping:/

[stiff wagon]

ah right

@wide charm I think it was you who had dreadplate, when you use it does the buff effect tell you how many plates you currently have?

[wide charm]

yes

there is a buff with a number for it

[stiff wagon]

okay in order for the plate to explode , enemy attacks hae to be at certain threshold to damage the plate right

or does any damage count?

@wide charm

also do you have to face a certain way in order fro the plate to hit or does it always blast whatever is in front of you

[pallid quiver]

It'll shoot 5 pillars out that hit 5 enemies in front of you

[wide charm]

it shoots in front of you

[stiff wagon]

Ah okay, so I got wrong information that I had to face it.

[pallid quiver]

Most of your kit comes online post level 60 with shield charge, violent outburst, ravager, etc, so it's rough about that level range unless you're very used to the class

[stiff wagon]

I read on Wowhead that damage has to be above a certain threshold in order for the plate to break. Is that true?

[wide charm]

Uhh so if I understand it correctly, say it reduces 25k to make it simple

if an attack hits you for 24,999 it just does 0

so yeah it won't break a plate

however, when the trinket's duration ends all the beams fire anyways

[stiff wagon]

Oh. Hmm. Good to know. Back to thinking between Dread and Anvil

@wide charm Thanks for the clarification.

[south zealot]

yes

[south zealot]

use both

drop anvil for another defensive option if youd like

but deadplate is pretty locked

[fair sorrel]

hi dad

[strong forum]

Hello son

[steep horizon]

Did I just read ur article on wow head or am I tripping

[blazing condor]

seems likely

he's the writer

[strong forum]

Depends which article

[steep horizon]

Mop remix prot

[strong forum]

Yah

[steep horizon]

That's dope thanks for the article!

[strong forum]

[steep horizon]

Noticed a little error I think

[steep horizon]

In the meta gem slot u have 2 listed in the article black ox and the lighting ball one

Which one u thinking?

[strong forum]

They're both listed as options, one for early and one for late game iirc

[steep horizon]

Ah gotcha

[hazy bronze]

Nome literally never makes mistakes

[teal swift]

@strong forum gnome rat larrygod69

That's your new name

[strong forum]

[strong forum]

I've never died in a video game

Or IRL! for matter of fact

[blazing condor]

spoilers: you died and you're in purgatory

only way out is to write wowhead guides for several years

[strong forum]

If only that was my only battle

[lusty coyote]

I dont get this mate. Too slow how?

[strong forum]

Typo

Low*

Shieldslam is too low on the overall for my taste

[drifting juniper]

guys

any tips for solo tanking broodkeeper

[strong forum]

Wdym

That boss can't be solo tanked

[drifting juniper]

only blood dk can do it?

[strong forum]

Or do you mean, tanking the boss

And not tanking adds

[lusty coyote]

Ahh ok 😄

[drifting juniper]

tanking the boss

[south zealot]

just live

[strong forum]

P2 pwar is very weak against mythic broodkeeper

P1 you just gotta manage your CDs and to be full HP for the tank buster to not drop too low during it

[drifting juniper]

do i spell block

[strong forum]

Spellblock only does smth for the tankbuster in p2 on mythic

On heroic spellblock does nothing on that boss

[drifting juniper]

i'm talking mythic

our tank is not here the dk and they asked me to step in from arms

you reckon i'm gonna have a rough night huh

[strong forum]

P2 you can't solo like bdk can

Cuz you don't have AMS or spellwarding

[drifting juniper]

does my 483 last season cheat death trinket save me or does the damage outscale the fatal treshhold

[strong forum]

What people did on early prog in s1 was have the pwar just suicide with it, but nowadays I reckon you can just play the mechanic normally

[thin silo]

Isn't everything but the staff damage SpellBlockable (according to the spreadsheet)?

[drifting juniper]

was thinking bout running cheat death and fyrak tank trinket but from last season

[strong forum]

Sure if you're uncomfortable

[drifting juniper]

also is immovable object talent worth running

[strong forum]

The tankbuster is listed as normal block, not spellblock

You can spellblock all the random aoe effects, sure

But that's practically entirely irrelevant for tanks

The only thing that matters for tanks are the tank busters, aka the healing reduction bleed and the mythic soak tankbuster in p2

For the exact CD usages you gotta ask @shut summit as I've not done the fight on mythic myself as tank

[drifting juniper]

thanks i'll see what happens , raid is now

[strong forum]

And I'm not home so I can't check logs RQ for the cd timings

[thin silo]

Ah gotcha

[timid jasper]

My boys where can I find some sick shield mogs

[blazing condor]

you can go into the transmog tab and look at all the uncollected shit you dont have yet

or just go farm black temple for Bulwark of Azzinoth

[tepid nest]

looking for some general advice for m+ tanking and stats, should we just be stacking haste till the cows come home? or is the real value of haste in being able to move from HR to ItF at ~5400 haste?

[south zealot]

bulwark of azzinoyh

[timid jasper]

Cheers

[tepid nest]

or is it a comfort thing

[south zealot]

with the cantrip rings you want haste in every slot

[tepid nest]

thanks

[timid jasper]

Can I solo the temple at 70

[tepid nest]

yes

[timid jasper]

Perfect

[flint tiger]

Which trinket would you guys spend boullions on if you wanna optimize mostly M+, but also be strong for raid DPS?

Thinking OCE might be nice, so far i haven't really been able to push past 10s but ideally i try this season.

elementium pocket anvil was another option i considered, but didn't seem that high on the dps war list

or is a defensive trinket really important for us?

[grim pilot]

anvil is high for war dps

[strong forum]

Anvil is literally the best dps trinket you can want as prot

Shit is bonkers

And also really good for arms

Defensive trinket is not rly important

@lament musk tanked tyrannical +17AA with full dmg trinkets + full dmg talents

[lament musk]

[grim pilot]

only thing scary for pwar are some bosses in whole dungeon pool

xd

and thats it

[lament musk]

ye i want anvil, prolly better than sig brand in keys

[grim pilot]

or crocs in uldaman

[lament musk]

even if brand sims higher for arms, anvil is just much easier to upkeep

[strong forum]

Ah nvm was fort, still, point stands

Anvil turbo owns

Did 26k dps for me in AA

[hidden kindle]

for purely defensive trinkets for high keys, would it be double on use with brackhide trinket + dreadplates?

[strong forum]

28k dps on bosses

[grim pilot]

prot fucks

[strong forum]

[grim pilot]

st wise

I dont think I've had vexamus below 170-180k

[strong forum]

Yeah that's pretty good

[grim pilot]

xd

[strong forum]

But double on-use defensive trinket is overkill

[grim pilot]

enter with full anvil stacks, destroy the boss, refuse to elaborate

[strong forum]

This dungeon pool isn't scary to tanks

Outside of singular pulls

[hidden kindle]

but assuming I want the tankiest build possible, that would probably be it?

[polar wedge]

jsut so i'm sure, there's a problem with threat generation on MoP Remix? when people take aggro back on a boss like 30 seconds after start that's not normal

[strong forum]

Yeah

[hidden kindle]

cool thanks

[strong forum]

You can opt to try and get cheat death

From doti

[grim pilot]

pretty sure it did like 40k for me more than once

[strong forum]

He pooompin

[hidden kindle]

was thinking maybe it will be worth to play battle scarred when the changes go live, not sure what to drop tho

[strong forum]

There's a build linked

"impossible to die training wheels"

Is what's it's called

Or immortal training wheels build

Smth along those lines

[hidden kindle]

yeha but dont really wanna drop shield charge you know .D

😄 *

[strong forum]

But

[jagged pier]

But if u take bsv thats what u have to do

[strong forum]

How are you gonna get the point for bsv?

[hidden kindle]

yeah thats the struggle

[jagged pier]

Theres no good way the talents work if u want both

[strong forum]

That's why that build is there

It's the most bang for your buck

You can only get bsv by making serious sacrifices

And dropping SC and picking up BSV + Bolster is the best way

Without losing 5%+ dmg

EA is too overloaded to not play, Ravager is big burst of rage gen + damage

Outburst is what enables you to play at all

Indom is what let's you live

BV is huge value and rage gen

[hidden kindle]

yeah kind awkward point to get to

ill try it out and see how it feels I guess

[strong forum]

SC without Battering Ram is very little value compared to what it was before the nerf

So it's "just" a stun + rage and block uptime you lose

[hidden kindle]

kinda want it for the stun but yeah without battering ram it feels kinda meh to spend that point only for the stun

[strong forum]

So you get the block uptime from bolster

And the pseudo cheat BSV

So you "only" lose ~0.9 rage/sec and the stun

And shield charge by itself without champions bulwark is just turbo trolling

[toxic pewter]

Shield charge damage isn’t too much these days right

[strong forum]

It's good instant dmg, but yeah without Battering Ram quite whelming

[toxic pewter]

It’s like 2% or something right

If that

[strong forum]

Idk I never looked at SC by itself

[grim pilot]

my bh

[strong forum]

Apparently 3% for me

That's alot more than I expected

[toxic pewter]

I guess if you want to go mega defense mode damage not really super top of mind for those people apparently anyway

[strong forum]

That's why I called it the way I called it

Very smooth brain build

[steep horizon]

I would like to see this smooth build

[plain vapor]

what tinkers we rockin with for remix raids

[strong forum]

It's linked in the pins ceezar

[steep horizon]

Ty

[strong forum]

There's a short wowhead and probably icy veins guide on the gems we use krook

[plain vapor]

thanks

[lament musk]

SC is such a nice button for quick burst threat also

[grim pilot]

stun, shield block gaps, quick burst

idk

I cant see dropping it in current setting

[potent anvil]

I'll try this smooth brain build

[flint tiger]

awesome, gonna just get anvil as #3 boullion item and then pray to RNJesus I get a heroic 2H to drop one day. Worst case, I craft a 2H

[wide charm]

On earlier discussion, could you really not justify dropping BV for BSV?

I mean Booming Voice isn't insignificant but BSV can be really good in some circumstances no?

[jagged gust]

its 8 seconds of DR every 3 minutes for what, a 10% overall damage amp?

Tradeoff just isn't justifiable

[potent anvil]

Would 2/2 bloodborne technically be more dps for single target and aoe than SC+champ's bulwark? Assuming no disrupting shout and BSV, you can go bolster + 2/2 BB.
I think it should be more damage overall, but I dunno.

[lusty grotto]

was the bsv change pushed to live? ive been out of the loop

if not the no

if yes then 🤷

[potent anvil]

[lusty grotto]

when it comes to what lei is saying

[jagged gust]

ive seen no mentions of changes to bsv, future patch or otherwise

except that little blurb in those notes from like 3 weeks ago

[ruby kernel]

Is there something I'm missing about the first Basilisk pull in ULD? I just got absolutely disintegrated by them on a 13 after saving my Rageheart for it. Wall was on CD from the first pull. Other than Disrupting the cast and try to shockwave the bleed is there anything else I should be doing?

[potent anvil]

If all else fails, run away

[lusty grotto]

you cant disrupt chomp

its not a kick

[ruby kernel]

no for carapce

[lusty grotto]

just spell block it

or reflect

chomp is the dangerous one

[south zealot]

pull the 3 with tour first pull

so they die during cds and lust

its unironically easier

[lusty grotto]

💯

[south zealot]

also disrupting is entirely useless in uldaman

have spellblock for the casters

[lusty grotto]

yeah you can also LoS to group up very easily there

[south zealot]

not like they are gonna cast on your party anyway

[lusty grotto]

so im with choco on that one

[south zealot]

i think theres value in it on nokhud

[lusty grotto]

100% of the dangerous shit is not kickable anyway

in uldaman

[south zealot]

for last boss and to a lesser extent the birds

[lusty grotto]

its stoppable but not kickable

yeah

[timid jasper]

Is this immortal build in pins still lookin lol

[ruby kernel]

Cheers lads good advice

[timid jasper]

Oh shit I’m blind as shit and on my phone deerrtp

[rigid hull]

does any top prot player run BSV

[south zealot]

i dont think so

[lusty grotto]

until they let us know the change has been made... i dont think its gonna be used

[jagged gust]

bro if they stealth buffed BSV out of nowhere this place would be a warzone

[lusty grotto]

well they did say they were gonna put the change they did in alpha in live

[median tulip]

I still wouldn't play BSV

I prefer just not dying

[south zealot]

is it still not fixed

[vivid falcon]

starting my prot journey. how do we feel about mouseover charge. or mouseover SC?

overkill?

[sand pebble]

in m+ i run intervene, mouseover charge is good if you like mouseeovers but i made this macro to charge my target and mouseoveer intervne

#showtooltip Charge
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene;Intervene
/cast [target=target,harm,exists,nodead]Charge;Charge

[vivid falcon]

also why champions bulwark over battlescarred?

[south zealot]

battlescarred is bugged

also for shield block uptime

[vivid falcon]

oh does it just not proc sometimes or something

[south zealot]

opposite

itll proc when youre like 90% health sometimes

so it never actually works when youre in potential danger

[vivid falcon]

damn

i wanna be giga unkillable tanky massive pulls

[south zealot]

once its fixed (if it isnt already, i dont know for sure)

you just dont really have points to take it

you have to give up things

usually just a good amount of rage gen and a handful % overall damage

[timid jasper]

The current build is fun af

[potent anvil]

2/2 bloodborne kinda owns

13 uldy. Learning prot

[south zealot]

decoration of flame

[potent anvil]

I don't have good trinkets

[south zealot]

trinket does not own

[potent anvil]

[south zealot]

me neither

[potent anvil]

My other options are the 3 min cd ones, pbox, mirror and fragment

[pallid quiver]

Have you tried murdering someone who does and hijacking their account?

[south zealot]

yeah thats a great idea

[lusty grotto]

[lusty grotto]

not enough revenge LUL

(this is a joke)

[potent anvil]

[lusty grotto]

haha

[wide charm]

Anyone here experienced that problem I posted in general?
Sorry for double post... it's technically a tank thing X. X
Irritating me for 2 weeks

[lusty grotto]

i cant say ive noticed

fuck i forgot how much of a massive bitch mythic sennarth is

😢

[south zealot]

why would you want a destro with an outlaw rogue in the group

hard capped class with the biggest target count scaling class makes so little sense

[lusty grotto]

they probably saw io and nothing else lol

[south zealot]

i just dont understand

if its for damage theres better damage classes

if its for a tanky class just bring an aug

[lusty grotto]

could be a friend

[south zealot]

bringing the rogue is fine i just dont know why they ONLY want a destro warlock

[frosty mango]

That’s what archon says prob

Nope

The mystery continues

[potent anvil]

Hey, I saw that group too. Unfortunately, got declined.

[rigid hull]

UHHHH can u even edit omnicd?

i cant find it

gotta change the fucked up placing

[lusty grotto]

/omnicd

[rigid hull]

💀

[lusty grotto]

and find the specific extra bar

[rigid hull]

bruh what a weird section to put this in

[lusty grotto]

its not weird at all

it depends on your profile

[rigid hull]

dont want much just gotta put them on left side of frame

should be ez

[lusty grotto]

well it is

[rigid hull]

ye got it

[lusty grotto]

unless you copy pasted a profile

[rigid hull]

thank you sir

nah

ez clap

[lusty grotto]

be careful with tracking way too much

do you really need to track defensives? healers should but not us

[rigid hull]

hmm

[lusty grotto]

kicks, sure

[ancient crystal]

Kicks and CCs imo

[lusty grotto]

stops, sure

anything else, thats a healer problem

dps cds? sure

for routing/big pulls

[south zealot]

i do so i can know if ppl died bc theyre stupid

[lusty grotto]

you can just check in logs though 😄

[vivid falcon]

tilting mid dungeon is optimal

[south zealot]

i track wall and maybe a 2nd defensive, all aoe stops, class major cd and any group survivability buttons

[south zealot]

i only log so i can see my damage compared to other ppl

[lusty grotto]

shrug

[south zealot]

xD

[lusty grotto]

if you use it, you use it

most people dont

and it just clutters the screen

[south zealot]

oh yeah i agree most ppl track so much shit

[rigid hull]

ye its the thing i hate

[south zealot]

theres no fucking way youre seeing if your priest pressed fade

[rigid hull]

also whats the best way to track boss/ad upcoming spells

the dbm bar?

[blazing anvil]

anyone got a pure dps prot warr build for carry keys?

[south zealot]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUVUgRVARpRQVBBNVUVERBQlVZVUQCUQ

its in the pins but here u go

[lusty grotto]

sure

[blazing anvil]

thanks

[lusty grotto]

or nameplate cds

both work

[south zealot]

if you want you can drop indomitable for bloodsurge or show of force but thats like

turbo inting your survivability

[rigid hull]

monkaGIGA

[rigid hull]

Can i see ur Ui @lusty grotto

[lusty grotto]

its just naowh's ui

but 1440p

and with different class WAs

i use nome's for warrior

[tribal wharf]

asmongold doin the seige of org mythic, very first trash pull

[grim pilot]

^^^^^

if someone dies from expectable damage and has defs ready

u can just say ratio

and pin all on him

[shell cosmos]

What is everyones advice for snap threat issues in keys

[high mesa]

Hold one of ravager, t roar, challenging shout for each pull

[shell cosmos]

Alright I will start doing that as I normally have challenging shout every other pull

As for stance dancing I feel like im spending more time in Defensive stance

[frosty mango]

Tclap revenge should handle most

If you’re talking like whelps in rlp or lashers in aa, you can hold roar for it

Challenging shout is also an option if you absolutely need it

[warm plinth]

You're an option

gottem

[lusty grotto]

do you have gholak

[waxen cradle]

Also are your dps going full mongo on pull ?

[lusty grotto]

bro

how is this name allowed

hooooly

i did my part

and reported

[south zealot]

started doing real keys and got scared and sat dstance like 20% of the time :(

oh only was like 11%

i also ran splinter

[lusty grotto]

what the

[ionic fern]

https://tenor.com/view/so-it-begins-raining-rainy-day-théoden-lord-of-the-rings-gif-16521230

[south zealot]

is this good enough

@atomic bronze

damn that was 2 weeks ago

wtf

[lusty grotto]

damn choco youve been busy

i havent touched my war since wednesday lol

too much shit

3 characters, and one mop dk whos super behind now cause i didnt farm frogs

[south zealot]

yeah idk why my 16 aa isnt showing on rio though

5 hours of keys all timed

besides 16 halls i griefed on

[ionic fern]

5 hours to play in a row.

Smh.

Stop bragging.

[south zealot]

had a healer and dps premade

kind of cheated

[tepid nest]

@south zealot how did you handle the stormshields in NO? just tried it on a 14, went smooth as butter until that pull. granted I pulled the pat + the two stormshields so 4 in the pull because I thought, might aswell pull them all with spell block, but they are tanky af and outlived spell block

that entire area is terrifying for pwar idk, especially if kicks are bad

[lusty grotto]

why do you even pull those

[tepid nest]

probably shouldnt but you have to atleast pull the patrol, so i thought, make it efficient

but ye it seems not very doable

[lusty grotto]

well its doable, just

way too risky when you can make up % somewhere easier

but regardless, im not choco, idk if he pulls it or not

[tepid nest]

no thats valuable advice mate, wasnt really just looking for chocos opinion just he had very recently posted his m+ accolades so

[lusty grotto]

yeah i just learned not to pull them from s1, so i just continued not pulling them 😄

[tepid nest]

ok turns out it wasnt even the stormshields that killed me im just an idiot

[lusty grotto]

oh

[south zealot]

they do hurt bad

but u just spellblock

[tepid nest]

what happens when plan A has expired?

[south zealot]

have a purge in the group who purges the shield so they dont tale half a dynasty to die

ideally u pull 2 into waterfall with list

lust

[tepid nest]

we had mage and priest but i dont think they could find their purge button

[south zealot]

do like 1-2 totems and then do the pat when spellblock is back up

[tepid nest]

was lust up for you immediately on enterign the area? feels like it wouldnt be unless you pull extra in first area

[ionic fern]

For what? 👀

[tepid nest]

stormshields in NO

[south zealot]

the stormshields melees

[ionic fern]

Shields are w/e. It's the Cudgel.

But that's not blockable afaik.

[tepid nest]

it is with spell block

[south zealot]

usually do 1 totem then waterfall

depends on dps

[tepid nest]

thanks king

[ionic fern]

I'm looking at my own log.

And that's not consistent.

Wtf.

Some are blocked, one is not.

[strong forum]

Well if you wanna go that, you got the weekly dmg key build

[tepid nest]

getting hit in the back? was the associated melee hit blocked?

[rigid hull]

whast the actual name of this debuff?

i cant add it to blacklist in plater

[tepid nest]

Punish

how does this talent exist in the class tree, like prot doesnt exist

[rigid hull]

Ye but plater doenst detect it

[tepid nest]

I have it blacklisted as 'Punish' and it works fine

[rigid hull]

hmm let me try again

THAnk you sir it worked @tepid nest

💀

[tepid nest]

😄

yw

[warm plinth]

I assume you mean whitelisted?

[tepid nest]

Blacklisted, so he doesn't see it on nameplates

It's just noise really

[tepid nest]

can you outrange the arcblades cast in nokhud?? watching Bobas and he just walks away from every one

[plush path]

do u guys play in battle stance or defense

[pallid quiver]

Default to battle and treat defensive stance as a CD

Since tanks, particularly Prot, don't take meaningful damage outside of telegraphed scenarios.

assuming remotely proper play

[plush path]

whats a telegraphed scenario

[pallid quiver]

"hey i'm gonna hit you really hard"
larodar reels up charge and tells you to run out of dealing damage range

you know beforehand that there's gonna be a large burst of damage coming your way, or that there's no possible way for you to deal meaningful damage due to being forced out of melee range, etc

Those are the times to dip into defensive stance

[plush path]

ah

more complicated then classic

[pallid quiver]

Classic doesn't really have as good a suite of defensives for tanks, even into Cataclysm. You're just more baseline tanky, and have CDs for big moments. Though Cata is the xpac that started the trend toward more modern defensive CD usage, what with giving out more defensives with CDs below "literally once an encounter"

[warm plinth]

You're a good suite of defensives for tanks

gottem

[pallid quiver]

boss i can barely get out of bed somedays

[warm plinth]

Saaaame

I didn't sleep tonight actually

[unkempt hazel]

that's how u stay tanky

[warm plinth]

I slept too much yesterday

[unkempt hazel]

if u never get out of bed to face the boss, he cant kill u

[warm plinth]

Big brain tbh

It's a well-known fact that bosses don't attack if you're in bed.

[unkempt hazel]

and under a blanket

the ultimate defensive

[warm plinth]

Like you can't name a single video game boss in the history of ever who has attacked the hero while they were in bed.

[pallid quiver]

I've played many a game where being in bed is a bad time

Hell, you get kidnapped from bed in at least one JRPG

never trust free beds, kids

[plush path]

is the battle stance's 3% crit chance really better than the defensive stance's 5% flat dmg

[waxen frigate]

In many cases yes

[unkempt hazel]

wat

doesn't def stance reduce dmg 🤔

[warm plinth]

It's 10% reduced damage, not 10% damage increase.

[waxen frigate]

That’s what I assumed he meant

[warm plinth]

Well, 5%

now

[unkempt hazel]

u take 20% less but deal 5% less so bstance is like 3%crit AND 5% dmg increase

or smth

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it comes out to a ~7-8% damage difference between the two

You're not inting if you play def stance all the time but you really don't need to.

Just use it as a defensive cooldown

[unkempt hazel]

indeed, we seem tanky enough

[plush path]

do u guys use rend

[merry pond]

@plush path Please don't listen to that. No one is gonna care if you deal 5% or even 10% less damage. Use defensive stance as normal, switch to battle if you feel like you want to push numbers at a given time.

Regarding rend, thunder clap applies it automatically, as long as you have it talented.

[unkempt hazel]

no

TC applies it if u followed the general talent builds

[warm plinth]

lol... he asked if the damage was better in Battle Stance. We said yes. And everything else said was true as well.

And no one said that anyone was going to care if he did less damage. In fact, I said the opposite.

[deft hinge]

shame crit from BS dont give parry tho

[merry pond]

This is not true.

you do not default to battle stance, that's how you flop lol. Default is defensive stance, then when you know you have no incomming damage or you feel safe, you can switch to battle stance.

[blazing condor]

Whatever floats

Most ppl dont do keys at levels where they should need to sit in def stance perma

So then youre just missing out on damage

[pallid quiver]

Flopping comes from turning your back or not using CDs when you need to; there's no key level people had hit where you're going to die from basic melees without defensive stance up

[merry pond]

then you're doing too small pulls.

[jagged pier]

no, you have a very different view because you play in the top > 1% of the player base

your experience is completely differnt to the general/ new player

in your scenarios yes

[merry pond]

Well yes, so why would you teach tehm to go for damage?

[jagged pier]

you should be in d stance a lot

more in low keys there is not point or need to be in it as it wont save u from flopping ither way

[blazing condor]

Same reason we dont tell tanks to go cheat death when they do +5s

[jagged pier]

you die from making mistakes

[merry pond]

If they want to tank and learn how to tank, why are they told to care about 8% damage. And Saying Battle stance is the standard, would mean you start pulls in battle stance too, and that's just ridiculous.

Doens't sound like you poeple should be telling tanks what to do then.

the idea is to help them get to higher keys no?

I doubt their goal is to have fun in that +5.

[jagged pier]

well not if they dont want too

alot of ppl cap out at 10s

or 10s is their goal

no point in d stancing in a 10

nothing but mistakes can kill you

[merry pond]

sure, but I doubt those people ask for help in that +10?

[jagged pier]

i mean he was a leaf

[merry pond]

Like if you're grinding +10, surely you're comfy with what you can push or not

[jagged pier]

so very likely a new player

so not even in 10s yet

like a tiny portion of even this channel is doing higher than 10s

[pallid quiver]

The lesson isn't even damage; it's to use your tools properly

[jagged pier]

this isnt some elite high key server

this a general discussion server

and never have we said u just sit in battle stance

[merry pond]

well if the lesson is to use your tools properly, why are you telling them that Battle stance is the Standard lol

[jagged pier]

the message we give is if u feel like u need it be in it

but thats subjective to the player

not a flat rule

[merry pond]

his literal words was battle stance is standard. Which in my head means you pull in battle stance too, which is just delusional.

[pallid quiver]

Because the default is to not waste defensives; if there's no need for a defensive, don't use it.

[jagged pier]

because battle stance is the standard for 99% of players

because they are doing content where being in d stance will literally do nothing

[pallid quiver]

It's also notable in that raid is pretty much always Battle Stance, as well, even for most MYthic raiders

[strong forum]

raid is entirely only about dmg output

[jagged pier]

Im pretty certain @strong forum last season went into 24s-25s in 10 less ilvl than everyone else. bare in mind this is levels where ppl claimed u must be in dstance all the time. and he took literally 0 damage in battle stance just by playing correctly

like i think he did 2-3 28s with cheat death trinket

[merry pond]

there's no key leve you should be in def stance all the time

[jagged pier]

and proc'd it once?

[merry pond]

and that doens't mean much

I'm not saying this is waht happened, but you can also play a dungoen pack by pack

[strong forum]

the generale rule is

swap to d-stance if no longer comfortable in bstance

[pallid quiver]

^^^

[strong forum]

you dont learn what hurts by going overkill tanky

and you certainly dont think about swapping to b-stance when you perma default to D-stance

as proven by alot of people just afking in d-stance primarily in situations where there s 0 tank dmg

not even using their trinkets for dmg

to sit on it for a bad day idk

[merry pond]

sure

it's still more important to live as a tank

than to deal damage

[strong forum]

correct

[merry pond]

if everyone does their role well, you can easily time top 100 world keys

easily

[warm plinth]

Obviously. With proper play you're not in danger, even at the start of a pull.

[merry pond]

if you go battle stance

you most deffo are

[warm plinth]

We aren't a druid or a paladin where not pooling on the prior pull gets you killed.

[strong forum]

theres a difference between defaulting to D-stance and simply doing the smart play and gathering pulls

ykno

[unkempt hazel]

if they're here asking for such questions they're 100% not doing the content where you are

[blazing condor]

Which is evident by a lot of players playing their spec improperly but still timing high keys. M+ is more about team coordination than anything. (No shots towards you btw)

[warm plinth]

I'll shoot towards him. Imagine thinking you just die if you don't defensive stance at the start of a pull and then acting like they know everything 🙄

[strong forum]

i was legit the only pwar on the ladder who didnt run cheat death trinket in fall27 despite it being a dungeon that LITERALLY heals the tank

cuz people dont min max

they afk default to 1 thing

[warm plinth]

Yeah, frankly I think that's why some high key tanks recommend this or that. They're actually not playing properly and they need the crutch when they fuck up.

I have watched a lot of keys of top players who reroll to the meta tank of the season just grossly misplaying when they aren't even in a bad spot.

[unkempt hazel]

the top tanks were noobs all along

[warm plinth]

Well, in some things, yeah lol

[unkempt hazel]

it was more of a joke than sarcasm

[jagged pier]

i mean u see it with disrupting shout all the time, and not form high key pushers ither

[unkempt hazel]

I'm nowhere near the level to have a say rly

[warm plinth]

Yeah, you're not wrong

But they NEED it

[unkempt hazel]

I gave it a shot

[warm plinth]

How do you even play the game without it

[jagged pier]

continues to show logs that show they dont

[unkempt hazel]

like it was said b4, I felt like I was just looking for an opportunity to use it

rather than needing it

[warm plinth]

If there's one thing I know about prot warrior, it's that without disrupting shout, defensive stance, and 13.63% vers, you will fall over instantly.

[unkempt hazel]

in a +2 right

[waxen frigate]

Moron it’s 17.83% vers

Stupid fuck

Stop spouting bad baseless advice

[unkempt hazel]

[blazing condor]

sense used disrupt in his AV

[jagged pier]

yes but as sense has said if it enbales u to do 1 pull u couldnt without it, then its a good talent

thats what hes doing there

[blazing condor]

So if i sit perma d stance and it allows me to pull more then its good

[warm plinth]

Yeah like the lashers in there all will simultaneously cast vapors

[waxen frigate]

I mean if it allowed you to do that then ya

[warm plinth]

So it gets good value

[waxen frigate]

Unironically

[plush path]

do u guys use whirlwind in aoe?

[torn gulch]

never

[jagged pier]

no

[plush path]

why not

if i have enough rage

[torn gulch]

ww is not on bars for prot

because you have thunder clap, shield slam and revenge

which is more than enough

[dawn canyon]

wirldwin is 360

[blazing condor]

Thunder clap and revenge hits better and if you wanna spend rage you use IP

Based phil

[dawn canyon]

ancient meme screenshot 🙏

[plush path]

shield slam isnt aoe tho is it

[torn gulch]

i wanted to say thunder clap and revenge

and in most aoe scenarios shield slam under outburst is a priority

up to 5-6 targets if i am not mistaken

[plush path]

i dont understand this sentence

[blazing condor]

Our rotation cant fit whirlwind anywhere

[plush path]

wdym under outburst

[warm plinth]

Revenge is whirlwind but 1000x better.

[plush path]

sorry im new to retail i only played prot war on classic

[dawn canyon]

with the buff active

[jagged pier]

because it deals less damage than revenge, costs more rage than revenge and doesnt proc SS like revenge does.

revenge we also barely press atm

so that shows how bad WW is

[warm plinth]

He's referring to our talent Violent Outburst @plush path

Highly recommend reading one of the guides

[torn gulch]

there is a talent called violent outburst which makes your next TC or shield slam deal 200% increased damage, 100% more rage and grants ignore pain

[plush path]

ah i just read it i understand now

[torn gulch]

shield slam hits like a truck and is priority in aoe over thunder clap up to 5-6 targets

so you use shield slam in aoe as well

[plush path]

i will read every talent very soon 🙏🏿

[warm plinth]

Shield slam*

He's new so be specific XD

Slam is also not on your bars

Shield slam, yes, slam, no

[dawn canyon]

what about hamstring

[warm plinth]

Hamstring is underrated as fuck

And you should absolutely have it bound

[torn gulch]

i have it bound and i use it a lot on shade week

to help dps run away

especially melee

[warm plinth]

Yeah or any mobs that fixate

I used it on the gold add on priestess last season as well

[dawn canyon]

how i miss piercing howl......

[warm plinth]

Ikr 😦

Ioved that spell

So annoying we can't take it

[torn gulch]

it's easier to take next xpac

[warm plinth]

Iirc we can in TWW though? Might be misremembering

[torn gulch]

as far as i know

[tepid nest]

i was under the impression SS was always the prio with outburst

is it better to TC with it past 6 mobs?

[toxic pewter]

New class tree in tww is worse overall

[tepid nest]

i guess our rage gen is so insane that we can go for the dmg > rage?

[jagged pier]

kinda yes and no

[torn gulch]

was it 6 or 8?

[jagged pier]

like damage wise at +7 without avatar and +6 with sure

its always sworse for rage

[torn gulch]

i don't remember well

[jagged pier]

so in general if u dont want to minmax just send on slam

like u cant go wrong sending on slam