Well those people could just choose to play spear
#protection
toxic pewter
banner warr 
everyone hates shadowlands so much, I am over here missing it these days
toxic pewter
tbh I jsut had more fun in sl
urban portal
prideful was way too demanding in high keys
toxic pewter
i find df quite boring
urban portal
but overall was okay
lusty tiger
prideful was way too demanding in high keys
I didn’t play that 1
I only played encrypted and shrouded
lusty tiger
Incorp isn’t that forgiving
tepid nest
does disrupting shout trigger concussive blows (class tree talents that cause interrupts to increase damage dealt to the target by 5%)
lusty tiger
O:
urban portal
even in low keys it was rough
and was very demanding on tanks
well its more out of game knowledge because you had to plan your path around it and if you pull 1 extra mob prideful spawned at the wrong time
the prideful itself wasnt too bad
also made tanking really challenging for beginners
blazing condor
the biggest problem with prideful isn't the affix itself but the fact that it's %-based
having to route around set percentages was ass
and if someone accidentally pulled extra then it was fucked
you got a pride spawn in the middle of a pack and lose the entire buff needed for th eboss
urban portal
yeah the affix itself wasnt challenging
urban portal
you got a pride spawn in the middle of a pack and lose the entire buff needed fo...
dont forget every boss was balanced around the buff
so you were playing like 2 key levels up if you didnt have prideful into a boss
blazing condor
and some dungeons where you'd skip to a boss just became messy
like 2nd boss HOA
you either had to pull a garg onto the platform to get pride on boss or do it before and then invis
spark cedar
I take it for NO always to avoid relying on pugs. Just did a +8 easily and grouped adds with just one shout 👌🏻
had 3 priests and dh in group, so only one long term cc 😓
violet ginkgo
the aoe interupt is really nice on dathea's adds.
toxic pewter
I take it for NO always to avoid relying on pugs. Just did a +8 easily and group...
u got some sweet PI action or wat
3 priest sounds awful tho ngl lmao
violet ginkgo
Also I wanted to ask about 3rd boss on Nokhud Offensive, Teera and Maaruk.
Sense's doc on reflect/block said that the gale arrow does damage back to boss, I reflect it and I heard the sound but it doesn't record on the details dps meter. Could it be deflect actually instead of reflect?
radiant mortar
new tier list dropped boys
shut summit
Also I wanted to ask about 3rd boss on Nokhud Offensive, Teera and Maaruk.
Sense...
just check logs
violet ginkgo
oh must be checked from logs?
spark cedar
u got some sweet PI action or wat
yeah at the cost of missing interupts, if me and dh overlap on a kick then you know in 5 seconds shit hits the fan
flint cliff
How does a max DPS/agro opener look like as prot (in aoe/key)?
shut summit
always has
if you put up reflect early enough can get when tornadoes move out then as they're moving back in
south zealot
sick
humble schooner
How does a max DPS/agro opener look like as prot (in aoe/key)?
TC, Revenge, avatar, demo shout, thundering roar, can avatar earlier, does'nt really matter
radiant pasture
i keep forgetting M+ route, is there an addon/WA that'll help me with this without having to open MDT every pull?
tepid nest
im not sure if one exists, but i bet it wouldnt be too difficult to create something that highlighted pack nameplates, pack by pack, based on a specific route you choose.
Certainly probably doable with weakauras assuming MDT exposes that stuff.
Not necessarily simple but, achievable imo.
It's worth searching wago.io to see if someone has already made something similar
violet ginkgo
always has
Well I always put the spell reflect up as I thought even if not a full reflect negating damage is still nice. Weird the details dps meter didn't put that into count, usually their spell reflect is quite accurate.
Thx for the confirm
mild latch
anyone else's stance dance macro broke today?
it changes from def to battle, but then keeps popping battle again and again
idk what's causing it
radiant mortar
mine worked earlier the day
toxic pewter
still works just fine for me
mild latch
this is the macro, right?
#showtooltip /castsequence !Defensive Stance, !Battle Stance
amber sluice
if i missed the two bullions last week, am i screwed? or does it catch you up to 6 the total?
mild latch
if i missed the two bullions last week, am i screwed? or does it catch you up to...
you can catch up
toxic pewter
this is the macro, right?
``#showtooltip
/castsequence !Defensive Stance, !Battl...
I use the macro from the pins:#protection message
mild latch
this works. thank you
the previous one was working until like an hour ago as well, idk what happened
lusty grotto
i like it
solemn wolf
I have shit haste, is it worth to drop Violent Outburst for Enduring Alacrity?
south zealot
you should just have enduring alacrity
lusty grotto
yeah
solemn wolf
what should i drop for it? bloodsruge?
solemn wolf
enduring?
solemn wolf
solemn wolf
okey
lusty grotto
as in, if you want disrupting, youre gonna have to remove bloodsurge
alacrity is mandatory
lusty grotto
maybe dont look at murloc io until you understand the tree
solemn wolf
yeah didnt touch prot since bfa
violet ginkgo
well I mean 50% usage is because of the late change, previously it's 0% for sure.
lusty grotto
yeah valk is right
solemn wolf
will do
prisma dust
you can catch up
so this takes into account the weekly quest as well?
toxic pewter
wild how many people havent swapped to enduring alacrity, one of the most powerful single talent point value perhaps of any class
blazing condor
i just forgor to do it for the first couple of dungeons
lusty grotto
so this takes into account the weekly quest as well?
no
if you didnt do the quest, you wont get those 2 bullions back
afawk
catch up only applies to the drops
of course the quest rotates back in at june 18
and then july 30th
violet ginkgo
so about 1 month from now which mean we will get our 4th and 5th item first then that bullion will give us the 6th at june 18th
urban portal
wild how many people havent swapped to enduring alacrity, one of the most powerf...
this is almost as good as 2h/dw spec
timber viper
wild how many people havent swapped to enduring alacrity, one of the most powerf...
The armor alone
rapid jewel
actually I just ditched indomitable. Ok I only do HC and +8 in 520 gear. You are always at 100% hp at that content with that gear. So the heal is kinda meh. Also i got lucky with leech, sitting at 20% 🙂
tepid nest
any clever ideas for dealing with the basilisk bleeds in uldaman? Especially the packs right at the start of the dungeon.
I know you can CC during the cast, be a dwarf, or have an evoker in the group. But can you do anything fancy like ranging the cast?
undone beacon
Tell them no in a stern voice
And use a spray bottle to squirt them
Bad basilisks
lusty grotto
any clever ideas for dealing with the basilisk bleeds in uldaman? Especially the...
no
tepid nest
ok thanks, those packs are really brutal
lusty grotto
you just play stops
i just pull everything, and hold shockwave for their cd
then dwarf next
easier to manage a bleed removal when youre not short pulling them
i.e. if you pull 1st basilisk and burn stoneskin or cauterize youre gonna be on cd for the next 3
so might as well pull all 4
but thats for 13+
might be better to keep it small and stormbolt just 1
south zealot
any clever ideas for dealing with the basilisk bleeds in uldaman? Especially the...
bring a frost mage and an evoker to the group
hopefully evoker uses soothe when the basilisks are raged
so u can keep kiting in the mages 57 roots
south zealot
this pull isnt bad at all bc with lust even if you get bled you have all cds
and infinite rage
basilisks were a lot harder before i just brought the first 3 into the lust pull
grim pilot
2 weeks fresh outta classic
Just a reminder, m+ parses dont say anything outside of how high of a key have you completed compared to other protection warriors
They’re not an indication of a performance
Good job anyway
grim pilot
Yes and no
You can be say #1 prot warrior in the world on raider io (lets say that for a moment) but if the spec is so bad nobody plays it then it just means that all the good protection warriors have likely rerolled to other, better performing specs
Still something you should be proud of
Like affliction warlocks last season
I think rank 1 worldwide was like 3.5k or something
You could be doing below tank dps and get boosted to way higher than that, but the spec was bad enough + (apparently due to seed of corruption) so shit to play that nobody played it
grim pilot
It’s a start yeah, dont be caught up in rankings just think of next key u think u are able to complete and you’ll get higher very fast
grim pilot
Neltharus has few dangerous mobs and 1 dangerous boss
Outside of that I didnt feel like it was hard
grim pilot
First pull hit me hard, and last pull (bird pack + caster + 1 more guard could be dangerous but with spell block I was chilling)
I only tanked it once this season I think though
Yeah 2nd boss was quite a surprise when I entered on 15 tyra but it’s like oakheart - you’re chilling and then you have short phases of big damage that you can easily prepare for or even make a list on what you should be using on particular phase
grim pilot
I dont know the exact timings but pretty sure u can have def stance spell reflect + demo shout for every one of them and then just cycle bigger defs
Yeah I mean he asked which one is the hardest for pwar, uldaman is probably the hardest one
Bosses are free but trash can hit hard
dont enjoy tanking that one on any tank either way
grim pilot
Bleeds
lusty grotto
those are over in 2 pulls
and stops invalidate them
nothing this season is TJS levels of FU for prot
nor anything outside of S1 for that matter
grim pilot
Funnily enough tjs was my first portal ever
And whenever ive been told by friends that never tanked that the dungeon is not hard to tank I was like yeah
Sure buddy
lusty grotto
its not the dungeon
grim pilot
3rd boss was a truck
grim pilot
Not mechanically hard no
lusty grotto
also 20s are memes
grim pilot
They are yes but if youre new and dont know what youre doing some stuff hits harder than other
lusty grotto
doubtful
we had a guy asking the most basic shit and got into 26 and 27s with a team carrying th em
its not hard
lusty grotto
the guy is still around
grim pilot
S1 27 was like 100 rio above rhe title no?
lusty grotto
obviously he got better
grim pilot
Its still way too high to be clueless
lusty grotto
trust
grim pilot
I guess I tanked some 23’s when I was turbo clueless
And didnt know what shield block does
But still tho idk xd
Either way 
Gn
lusty grotto
@plush tendon give me the basic bdk guide
grave wedge
Its still way too high to be clueless
As some one who has mained prot for over 10 years but inst as good as half the people on here i dont belive that for a moment. not sidestepping the proper mob would drop us down to 50 percent health on 17s. theres no way a clueless tank was doing 26s season 1
grave wedge
sorr man you can be clueless and somehow avoid every oneshot tank buster,, sounds like he knew way more than he let on
pallid quiver
i mean there's not much that just instantly kills a tank in keys, esp in S1 dragonflight
Most scary things like searing blows could either be evoker dispelled or raw carried through from things like enha off healing or just raw heal throughput
grave wedge
shadowmoon burial grounds had an add witha frontal cleave that would drop you down to below 50 percent health on a 16 with good gear he deff wasnt clueless is all im saying
skeletons pre first boss is what im thinking of. halls of valor had similar mobs too. not saying it didnt happen im saying he want clueless
pallid quiver
<@181600386941976577> give me the basic bdk guide
Also, unsure if it's changed, but loosely:
Always keep a charge of blood boil rolling, try to always have 3 runes recharging, stand in dnd, keep bone shield stacks above 5, drw on cd, death strike to avoid overcapping and heal after ouchies
Should loosely get you started
unborn wagon
are talents to drop to get discrupting shout and spell block other than Bloodborne?
unborn wagon
I don't have bloodsurge, still missing points from bloodborne
lusty grotto
you dont pick bloodborne
lusty grotto
its a meme parse spec choco and myrtuu are running for shits and giggles
check the pinned specs
do you see it anywhere?
unborn wagon
Ya got it ty
lilac jetty
anyone know where i can find up to date info on what determines ignore pain cap and how much is granted per cast?
lusty grotto
you can find it here
oh nevermind, i guess mwahi removed it
(Weapon DPS * 6 + STR ) * AP Coefficient * Mastery Multiplier * versa * other with coefficient being 3.5
a lot of this has been lost because IP absorb generally does not matter
its a rage dump and thats it
and because blizzard keeps buffing it for some reason
plush tendon
<@181600386941976577> give me the basic bdk guide
keep boneshield up, press heart strike, and death strike
tribal wharf
🙂
lusty grotto
yeah tahts what im doing
tribal wharf
this makes me happy, if you know, you know
lilac jetty
a lot of this has been lost because IP absorb generally does not matter
Yeah makes sense, just was getting frustrated that I couldn’t find anywhere how much was granted per cast (even though it’s not that important). My real issue is idk how to make a progress bar WA with IP cap as the progress, every WA I look at for ignore pain has some custom variables and is outdated 😭
lusty grotto
you shouldnt even worry about such things
you will keep pressing IP
as a rage dump
whether its capped or not
does not matter
at all
lilac jetty
Right. Though in situations where you are rage starved and have little or no IP up I think it’s good to know how much you have.
lusty grotto
you shouldnt be rage starved
you should always have 30 rage for SHIELD BLOCK
not ip
you will always press IP 60+ rage plus
and about to hit an SS
is it up? doesnt matter, you still press it
is it down? doesn't matter, you still press it
is it capped? doesnt matter, you still press it
is it below the cap? doesnt matter, you still press it
are you getting below 30 rage?
you hold
for shield block
if your rage isnt bouncing between 30 and 70ish, youre doing yourself a disservice
youre not activating AM CDRs
youre not activating outbursts
youre not playing our current tier correctly
rage needs to continuously be used
and the tool for that is IP
because its off-gcd
(while still maintaining SB)
lilac jetty
so you dont track ignore pain?
lilac jetty
ok
lusty grotto
if not all
the only thing you track is SB uptime
that is by far the most important thing us prot warriors have to pay attention to
less so in DF because its quite easy to maintain up
as opposed to other expansions
the last expansion we tracked ip was... legion
and that was because it was new
and was the replacement of shield barrier
actually might have been WoD
but 🤷
dusky canopy
@lusty grotto hey homie do you recall the name of the spell announcer for notes
i lost the WA and cant find it on wago for the life of me LOL
lusty grotto
<@131897531251556352> hey homie do you recall the name of the spell announcer fo...
kaze
kaze mrt timers
if you mean MRT
rigid hull
bros can i have a good spell reflect weakaura
mellow ocean
And if we are talking about SR, are we able to reflect all the conduit strikes? (last boss NO) I am kinda struggling with reflecting second one. Should we precast it somehow?
violet ginkgo
And if we are talking about SR, are we able to reflect all the conduit strikes? ...
mellow ocean
Thx pal!
tepid nest
i just pull everything, and hold shockwave for their cd
Ye I was thinking about something like this. Gonna try this, thanks.
ancient crystal
is there a place where i can see the stuff warr can spell reflect? tech and stuff
like focused deluge spell reflect on halls final boss
jagged pier
stuck lava
Hey guys, maybe i am imagining it, but prot feels really tanky atm, i have not tanked above 12 atm, does it fall off later?
jagged pier
always been tanky
tropic skiff
Where does it fall on the totem pole for tankyness? Is it super tanky compared to other tanks or nah
ionic fern
Where does it fall on the totem pole for tankyness? Is it super tanky compared t...
Tankiness is a hard thing to grasp properly.
All tanks have different damage intake paterns, mitigations etc.
E.g BDK take a ton of damage compared to Warriors.
But they also heal it back up instantly without issues.
Just class design.
stiff wagon
Which rings should I get? The bullion rings (i.e., Seal of Duirna's Chosen and Filial Duty) or somethign else?
stiff wagon
Thats true only those 2 rings have good effects.
stiff wagon
With Fyrakk's Tainted Rageheart and Gholak is the self-inflicted damage a concern?
stiff wagon
so gonna be a tough roll
I was thinking buying it with bullions~.
ionic fern
With Fyrakk's Tainted Rageheart and Gholak is the self-inflicted damage a concer...
No, it's insignificant.
stiff wagon
No, it's insignificant.
Awesome, so I had nothing to worry about. Thanks Mwahi.
blazing condor
so for anyone thats played mop remix, will these abilities ever disappear from the middle of my screen
jagged pier
No.
blazing condor
pog
hasty flare
blazing condor
i thought placing them on bars would remove them
but alas
literally right under my character
runic night
They disappeared once I put them on my bars
blazing condor
its moveable in edit mode
will have to check. i went into edit mode but wasn't anything there
hardy snow
Now I've checked, they dissapear if you move it on your bars, but it have to be first three bars, when I moved to some further bar - it didn't dissapear
waxen frigate
Now I've checked, they dissapear if you move it on your bars, but it have to be ...
Oh my god
That’s so dumb
But that explains it
gleaming crest
so for anyone thats played mop remix, will these abilities ever disappear from t...
Yes I tried it yesterday, just drag them to your bars
blazing condor
Yes I tried it yesterday, just drag them to your bars
that doesnt work for me
plush path
hey ive been playing prot in classic for a good while and switched over to retail
i heard ppl dont invite to raids/m+ if u have a shit spec
so is it worth playing prot war on retail?
jagged pier
Its fine
ionic fern
If you enjoy the class - play it.
Don't think there are any issues in getting into raids, and the mythic+ issues only start at higher key levels.
And even then, there are plenty of groups you can apply to (or make your own).
radiant mortar
had no issue while queueing to play m+
blazing condor
yeah i got brought as a pwarr with 490 ilvl to 8-10 keys
median tulip
When is there not a shortage of tanks?
median tulip
i heard ppl dont invite to raids/m+ if u have a shit spec
The kind of players who demand the "meta" tank only are generally the worst players who are looking for someone else to compensate for their own poor play. Good players can and will successfully adapt to any situation.
ionic fern
When is there not a shortage of tanks?
This season.
Seems to be way more of a "Healer shortage" situation rather than a tank shortage.
median tulip
Can't honestly say I'd noticed
ionic fern
Majority of keys i've seen have a tank, or find a tank real fast.
And then just sit in queue for a healer.
HAd way more success joining pugs as a healer than as a tank. 😂
And i'm playing "non-meta" healer.
Used to be like that as a tank.
I mean, it's still way easier as a tank to join keys than as a DPS..but to me it seems that it's gotten more difficult than previously.
plush tendon
its for sure a healer shortage
VDH is super popular to play even as a M+ alt right now
and healers have sort of gotten their ass kicked all expac
radiant mortar
healing is just no fun currently
blazing condor
my holy priest main friend is enjoying life
apparently holy is stronk and he also bullion a rageheart because he would always get one shot
whatever works
jagged pier
Lots of dos and healers getting it because high are about living not dps
flat bramble
hey guys, i cannot find any info, but for panda remix, should i level a new char or can i farm everything with my main just going to pandaland ?
jagged pier
U cant do anything on a already lvld char it has to be new
blazing condor
Lots of dos and healers getting it because high are about living not dps
difference being we did like 24/25s last season 
flat bramble
U cant do anything on a already lvld char it has to be new
okay
idle quartz
I know I’m probably super late to the party on this, but I just realized we can spell reflect Raging Tempests’ ‘you’re too far away from me’ spell in Nokhud Offensive, and I’m happy about it
Just walk away every 20s for an easy 1m+ damage
crystal mauve
You can reflect last boss too for stupid amount a damage 🙂
jagged pier
Correct
unborn wagon
Lots of dos and healers getting it because high are about living not dps
I don't see arms really picking up rage heart do you?
grim pilot
difference being we did like 24/25s last season <:keks:936231610850897992>
Oneshot in 24?
Did he not press anything
Like anything at all
Even then stuff probably shouldnt oneshot u
blazing condor
we had a million discussions about it
but nope
class was bad and you needed rageheart to survive etc etc
and apparently hpriests in the disc would say the same copes
except for the r1 hpriest who said it was fine
blazing condor
but the opinion of the #1 hpriest didnt matter because "they ran with aug and vdh and mage who can shield"
etc etc
idle quartz
You can reflect last boss too for stupid amount a damage 🙂
Yeah, I avoided Nokhud during Season 2 because the Explosive affix was especially egregious on NO. It actually made me quit M+ entirely lol for the season.
grim pilot
Holy fuck
idle quartz
I need to go check the spell reflect sheet afain
grim pilot
4% hp buff from aug and occasional 250k shield from mage is the difference between 32 and 24
blazing condor
yeah it was not fun trying to push
the only solution was apparently for me to reroll paladin cus utility
which i didnt do
ionic fern
I thought holy paladin is garbage? 👀
nocturne vine
Hey guys i have 2 questions for ya
Can i macro anvil into shield slam (im at work i would have tried myself but maybe someones knows already)
And what would you go for with a bullion if u had a mythic anvil and a fully upgraded feastering splinterv
Do i go for the ring or ill change a trinket?
M+ oriented
lusty grotto
I know I’m probably super late to the party on this, but I just realized we can ...
yes we know from s1, its on the sheet
look at the sheet guys
lusty grotto
Can i macro anvil into shield slam (im at work i would have tried myself but may...
you can but its not optimal
for keys
lusty grotto
And what would you go for with a bullion if u had a mythic anvil and a fully upg...
ring
if you have gholak which im sure you do
nocturne vine
if you have gholak which im sure you do
I have it hc fully upgraded i would have bought it later on awakened
lusty grotto
myth > heroic
lusty grotto
the macro
oblique garnet
Dont want to macro anvil into anything
nocturne vine
myth > heroic
Dropping an early bullion for 6 ilvl is THAT worth?
lusty grotto
but its super not optiomal
nocturne vine
Noted on the macro
lusty grotto
yes?
oblique garnet
Keep it as a separate keybind so you can refresh your buff duration incase it drops between movrment
hardy snow
Dropping an early bullion for 6 ilvl is THAT worth?
weapon is 2nd most important item after shield
nocturne vine
Oki doki then
lusty grotto
if youre on the fence, sim
ring vs weapon
5t patchwerk, 1.5 min and 1 min
and for ST 1t patchwerk, 3mins and 5mins
idle quartz
look at the sheet guys
No
lusty grotto
tepid nest
can anyone help me understand wtf happened here
idle quartz
https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pok%C3%A9mon-slowpoke-glitter-sparkling-gif-90776...
Best pokemon ever
lusty grotto
leech scales up with your attacks
damage amps influence it
cant say without context, but if you did have a damage amp, or a damage vuln on boss, it will go up
tepid nest
it healed me for 48m, was pack before bromach in uldaman
urban bane
double damage amp on the ragers probably
tepid nest
frosty mango
48m seems a little excessive even for that
lusty grotto
tepid nest
oh its private sorry,m one sec
this spans the previous leech tick and the insane one, i assume leech works like that where it accumulates between ticks
tepid nest
wait there are two huge leech ticks, didnt see the first one
could this be a logs issue?
5 across the dungeon
lusty grotto
yeah well
tepid nest
if you check my damage done graph and leech healing, they line up
lusty grotto
makes sense
tepid nest
thats wild, you are right, checked another occurence of it and sure enough, i killed a rat beforehand
lusty grotto
tepid nest
but logs say 62k overkill
lusty grotto
you hit 2 rats at around the same time as the leech procs
tepid nest
ye you are for sure right
interesting that logs doesnt seem to recognise i did insane dmg to it
lusty grotto
critters are weird
tepid nest
secret tech, save a critter for a full health leech heal
lusty grotto
but still this is nothing that can be used
if youre at the point that you need that big of an overheal
youre already doing something wrong lol
very wrong
tepid nest
ofc 😄
tribal wharf
this channel, i assume
vocal flame
this channel, i assume
lusty tiger
this channel, i assume
True and real
strong forum
this channel, i assume
Nobody is yelling at me
lusty tiger
Nobody is yelling at me
GOOD AFTERNOON NOME!!!
strong forum
blazing condor
love how ppl are complaining about mop remix being bad cus its "just retail wow but in pandaria"
yeah fuck cataclysm i guess lets go straight to mop
south zealot
what the fuck did people expect
blazing condor
mop classic
blazing condor
no but ppl dont read
south zealot
they didnt say they were bringing back the old game functions
blazing condor
they hear something and make up their mind in an instant
south zealot
also 95% of people dont have enough keybinds for mop
i know i dont have enough keybinds for mop lol
plush tendon
MoP remix is ok
nice way to level some toons
makes the leveling experience much more enjoyable
lusty grotto
its a good event
but its 3 months long and people are power rushing it
my guild/groups are cancelling heroic reclears for this lmao
which is weird but w/e
plush tendon
yea... I was little annoyed yesterday
we shouldve been killing Mythic Raz... but we cancelled for MoP
I want my god damn raid teleports damnit!
plush tendon
ive only gotten to like level 13
but this seems like a good way to introduce leveling moving forward
plush tendon
lusty tiger
@waxen frigate happy Friday handsome
south zealot
but this seems like a good way to introduce leveling moving forward
should be how timewalking is
compact silo
can you get dreamrender in prot spec?
lusty grotto
yes
the leggo, yes
weird that youre calling it by its last name, took me a second
compact silo
thanks
stiff gate
you can skip every single one if you hug right and don't pull the one rotsinger on that side
imo it doesnt make sense to pull them
there's a patrolling one right before the double tree pack too but again you can just hug the wall and skip it
plush tendon
are u guys pulling rotsingrs
you skip them
also, fun thing to note, if you do pull one you once they drop the totem, if you move 40 yards away from totem it cant reach you
south zealot
i dont undersatnd how you get count skipping all rotsingers
lusty grotto
side to treemouth
and some pre last boss room
youre supposed to pull around rotsingers
not skip them as in stay in a lane
south zealot
this is what i have in 2nd area
south zealot
big tree next to 6?
lusty grotto
yes
lusty grotto
you should have about 30% into first area
plush tendon
This is what I do
lusty grotto
or from first area
plush tendon
little known fact, there is a log ramp you can go up where the X is to skip those to big trees
plush tendon
well, you aint doing em with boss
lusty grotto
nah probably not
plush tendon
if I include the two pathing big trees, then you are doing 4 pulls vs my 3
lusty grotto
i just pull trees with decays
and then the decay adds i pull into boss
their splits
i mean
plush tendon
I also know that with a priest, we only do 2 pulls in the first area
lusty grotto
yeah
grim pilot
are they not now
lusty grotto
s2 routes wont work
south zealot
but now if u have rotsingers everyone is dying over and over
lusty grotto
the totems' disease ticks for a metric asston
rotsingers werent a problem at all s2
near walrus
shrewd elm
how hard is it do +10 on a prot warrior, also how hard is it to get in a pug xD
shrewd elm
i got a druid at 70 but i remember playing a prot warrior felt more impactfull and fun,
the charge, slam footstamp
is that still the case?
lusty grotto
im just kinda wondering why left routes arent a thing
it ticks for a lot
as in damage
plus the usual speed debuff
lusty grotto
left path got severely nerfed
we did it on a vault 10 and it felt like nothing
the only real issue is getting the stealthers out, but you kinda learn where they are standing
chilly brook
we did it on a vault 10 and it felt like nothing
when you inviting me to come DPS your keys?
lusty grotto
lol
as soon as mop fever is over
im about to be done with dk lmao
i hit 70 in like an hour or 2
blazing condor
whats even the implication of having more than 100% crit lol
lusty grotto
the fuck i know im doing bdk
cyan bronze
ah
waxen frigate
ive heard its pretty shit at 70
in terms of some scaling
like you just get one banged by certain things
lusty grotto
well im gonna find out soon
dont think i see the point of playing after 70 anyway
unless im missing something
grim pilot
People switched to totems 8)
not rly
humble schooner
its basically just to experience MoP if you haven't before, or to level some alts quickly. Playing after 70 is just to see how OP you can get. I am having fun with it, but its like a week or two of 'content' before it has a heavy drop off for sure
humble schooner
apparently its like 30k per raid clear, or atleast SoO , with a daily reset
so could farm up most of the cosmetics / unlocks doing that
lusty grotto
yeah ig
humble schooner
I am only interested in the Garrosh items, BoAs / Tusks, but not sure im interested enough to farm whats needed lol
lean nymph
hey, do u know if shockwave works on talondras in ulda?
humble schooner
I'm not 100% sure actually, stormbolt is better to use anyway since its longer stun
lean nymph
ye but rn it doesnt matter but on tyr i'd really like to be able to stun each 2nd stomp
lean nymph
idk if prot has enough stuff
lusty grotto
every 2nd stomp is close to being energy capped
lean nymph
not playing prot, just asking
lusty grotto
it has more than enough
everytime i do it, there's like 8 puddles left
cause i barely use them
prot war is one of the better tanks for it
lean nymph
so what do you have? shockwave, stormbolt
lusty grotto
shield charge
no other tank has 3 stuns
vdh has just the one, and i guess 2 if you count meta drop
prot pally only has 1
brew has 1
bear has uhhh
lusty grotto
thats a big if
bdk has jack shit
i guess you can count if tauren or w/e
we dont have stat goal posts
check the pins and/or wowhead guide for "prio"
absolutely not
gholak >>> strike twice >> forgestorm
plush tendon
gholak >>> strike twice >> forgestorm
It’s really just get a gholak angle since bullions exist
south zealot
def more haste and crit and a ton less mastery
plush tendon
Gholak>everything
lusty grotto
thats incredibly low haste yea
why vers
it doesnt
prio crit
theres way too many vers shit around, youll have enough anyway
did you read the pins?
and/or the wowhead guide?
are you sure?
then you're set
radiant mortar
wanted to see if there is a recommended one, but will try and see if can find a good one thx
azure nimbus
radiant mortar
Another question, Ulda first pull do you guys go for the basilisk or try to avoid them?
Tried a 13 and they ripped clean trough me
radiant mortar
https://wago.io/ltENrybhU
Thx
lusty grotto
the basilisks
there are more than 1
idk how you would avoid them
you need the count
radiant mortar
I mean the three at the first hall
I looked at Senses last Ulda video and they skip them
lusty grotto
i pull 4 on the first pull
radiant mortar
How
Ah
The big Trog has a basilik on him
Sense went for this
and ignored the three others
then played the three troggs in the hallway alone and played boss with the two basilisks in the cave
Thats why Im asking
radiant mortar
yes and Im asking because I couldnt make the pull if Senses pull would work better
radiant mortar
So keep pulling the 4 basilisks till I get gud?
lusty grotto
in fact im pretty sure i can pull the casters and should still be doable
just watch nameplate cds
shockwave when all 4 at at 0 or up
or be dwarf
and shockwave to sync em
next bleed, you wait on 4 stacks, wall dstance and dwarf
pack should be dead after that
lusty grotto
bring an evoker then
or bring a pally, which is amazing in that dungeon due to freedom dispels
and have cancelaura bop macroed into everything like i do
from ye olden days
radiant mortar
👍
hearty stump
Is there a weakaura with a collection of all the most dangerous tank hits and debuffs that you receive? Like diseased bite. Something that you could reposition
strange abyss
are we the best tanks?
lusty grotto
night heron
yes and Im asking because I couldnt make the pull if Senses pull would work bett...
I just did a 16 where I pulled everything up to those three basilisks included, it was pretty hard to live but it worked out. I took the cheat death trinket + a shield trinket to make sure I'd survive. We used BL on the pull but didn't have aug for bleed dispel
So i'd say it's doable with proper cd management, and it's a lot more straightforward if you're pugging
I'm curious tho, how did sense skip them? I guess you would have to commit invis pots?
stable pawn
Does anyone really use "Rend" in their rotation? It's not a passive talent so maybe can put the point somewhere else instead?
pallid quiver
Does anyone really use "Rend" in their rotation? It's not a passive talent so m...
it's automatically applied with thunde clap, so
shut summit
read blood and thunder talent
pallid quiver
^^^
stable pawn
read blood and thunder talent
That makes more sense! Thanks for that 🙂
weary saddle
stutter step works for basilisks, yes? at higher key levels does stutter step still work
weary saddle
ok. but kiting works as well right. i usually run in circles around the pillar beside the 3 basilisks
weary saddle
ic
weary saddle
ok
lusty grotto
and stop when its either happening since it has a cast
or try your best to sync, though im pretty sure there's anti-sync'ing involved but
the closer the casts are between each other the more manageable for a stop chain
weary saddle
thanks.
elder sage
just now playing my warrior from last season. first 2 bullion buys wep and offhand? assuming i have 483-489 everything
rigid hull
do u guys run "though as nails" in any dungeon
south zealot
just now playing my warrior from last season. first 2 bullion buys wep and offha...
weapon and ring/trinket
south zealot
do u guys run "though as nails" in any dungeon
no, if youre dropping spellblock you just play bloodbourne bc its better
exclusively in aa
rigid hull
lose imp shout?
south zealot
but you can just keep spellblock in all keys bc if you go into something like an uldaman without spellblock, you will not havea good time
pallid quiver
though spell reflect is in the class tree
south zealot
and dont forget to switch your talents back after the key
rigid hull
and dont forget to switch your talents back after the key
ye the classic
i entered nokhod once
wihtout imp shout
and spellblock
elder sage
the catchup mechanic is in effect for bullion right? cuz i got 2 back to back, but last 3 bosses havent given me anything and i think we're at 4(not counting the weekly that gave 2)
south zealot
this guy invites a sin rogue but not me wtf
south zealot
the catchup mechanic is in effect for bullion right? cuz i got 2 back to back, b...
some ppl take like 7 bosses for their bullion
rigid hull
it is not fun in any way
south zealot
brackenhide first area, ESPECIALLY on ragi ng
rigid hull
between first and second boss
south zealot
idk i like the area
its just really hard
would be better if lasher agro wasnt so rough
rigid hull
i think i should stop pulling big in the poison
theres enough time in this dunegeon
at least in the key 13 i was doing
we fucked up so many times and still had 5 minutes on last boss
lusty grotto
just now playing my warrior from last season. first 2 bullion buys wep and offha...
read pins, it has a list
south zealot
theres enough time in this dunegeon
yeah its chill
stuck scarab
brackenhide
I'm undecided between this and NOK for which is my least favourite dungeon of the expansion. I hate both
orchid mural
really wish ppl would take disrupting shout more. it;s amazing
south zealot
its pretty overrated in most keys
nokhud has value bc the only hard controllable part of the key is helped by disrupting shout
orchid mural
pretty high value in all keys imo
lusty grotto
and yet nome checked all pikas keys and it was hardly used
orchid mural
as in - it's taken but hardly used?
lusty grotto
correct
orchid mural
ah. that snippet of info needs to be unpacked - when did he use it and to how great of effect?
the other thing to consider is that it is very good insurance. the more practiced your group the less value insurance has, but everyone makes mistakes.
lusty grotto
🤷
one can argue the less you use something, the less you remember you have it available to begin with
still, i use it
but it IS overrated
pallid quiver
ah. that snippet of info needs to be unpacked - when did he use it and to how gr...
The most notable uses of Disrupting on Plka's key was times that he also had Int Shout available, on fearable mobs, with less than 6 casts interrupted
lusty grotto
right, if you can play the other stops
pallid quiver
That's the issue most people run into with Disrupting; they already have the tools for the pull, but they just don't use them
Nome actually ran disrupting in a Nokhud and got actual use out of it by intending to use it and pulling with it in mind, making up for the loss of damage/survival from bloodsurge
One of the arguments people bring up is that it's better to have the stops to stop people from dying, since that's better for timing overall,
but they already have the stops they need; they're just not pressing them. Adding on an extra button doesn't change the fact that there was a button you already have that did the same thing that you just didn't press instead
lusty grotto
i wouldnt remove it for pugs
but thats just me
that is, until you realize the pugs are actually chain stopping
pallid quiver
I already only pull what I'm comfortable solo controlling in pugs
lusty grotto
and then youre like fuck i have a useless talent
pallid quiver
if extra stops go out, that's just gravy
Grabbing disrupting usually doesn't enable me to do any bigger pulls or change anything, so I pretty much never grab it
teal swift
tepid nest
The most notable uses of Disrupting on Plka's key was times that he also had Int...
The number of casts interrupted doesn't seem relevant, the number of mobs in the pull is though. If it was 6 or less then ye, no reason to not use intim there.
lusty grotto
nome found uses
not interrupts
just to be clear
when it comes to plka's runs
either way arguing semantics does nothing
tepid nest
im not sure i agree that it's semantics, it's an important distinction
tepid nest
my crystal ball is malfunctioning today my b 😄
cinder nova
this guy invites a sin rogue but not me wtf
wrong color tank
pale roost
gearing up my prot warrior and looking at what to buy after weapon i see dps ring and offensive trinkets are prio. but wouldent def trinkets be better for m+ as thats what am gonna play
blazing condor
When it comes down to it, the game is all about damage. How much damage can you do without failing your other role obligations. There's never a situation where you doing less damage is better than you doing more damage, granted that you don't get that extra damage by sacrificing something more important like staying alive
the reason offensive trinkets are recommended is because you can have a good enough playstyle where you wouldn't need the defensive trinkets to stay alive, and therefore you're just losing out on damage
but its just min/maxing
some people prefer the safety of having extra defense in case something happens. It's just suboptimal
radiant mortar
thats why I like dreadplates
it gives me another defense option but also deals dmg
pale roost
cool not saying it was wrong just wanted to understand. as am both new to tanking and warrior 😄 so thanks for explaining ❤️
just bit unsure what to buy after weapon so i dont regrett my choice 😄
cunning inlet
cool not saying it was wrong just wanted to understand. as am both new to tankin...
Ragehart has a nice absorb and does damage.
pale roost
sounds good. guess ill go with that then 😄
cunning inlet
🙂
tepid nest
does anyone know if umbrelskul has a hitbox underneath her when she casts arcane eruption? i've died twice to standingunder her when she casts it despite not being in the visual effect of the eruption
tepid nest
i wish i had a replay, im pretty sure i was nowhere near
but ye, thats the most likely explanation
blazing condor
Maybe they appear under the boss and theyre hard to see
strong forum
Some of the appear invisible when tanking him at the edge
So yeah
Lovely interaction
vocal flame
anvil is like other trinkets when we always send on cooldown?
blazing condor
the important part about the trinket is getting to 5 stack and then maintaining it
you should use it up to 5 stacks and then you can use it if you know you wont drop it
but if you're doing dungeons where you run around a lot its better to not use it in combat so you can use it between packs to keep the buff up
fallen lichen
No it loses then if you’re out of combat >15 seconds
blazing condor
so it gains stacks out of combat?
every time you use the trinket you get one stack - and it can have a maximum of 5 stacks
fallen lichen
So you can use it the to prolong that to 29-30 sec
vocal flame
ooo ok i got it
blazing condor
and you have the stacks as long as youre in combat
so when youre out of combat you only have X seconds before it all goes away
so you can maintain it by using the trinket again
fallen lichen
If you get used to the trinket, you’ll know every critter in every corner
Just to smack em
vocal flame
haha i bet
fallen lichen
Poor cockroaches
blazing condor
nothing like a last second heroic throw on some poor critter
fallen lichen
I bet I wiped my group a few times back in season 2 just because I had to keep that trinket running
south axle
Mmmm i think i have to go for more mastery no?
blazing condor
you fast as fuck
south axle
??
blazing condor
210% speed
vocal flame
speed ^
south axle
too sped?
blazing condor
the speed thing was a joke dont worry about it
you care about having strength the most
then haste
then crit/vers
then mastery
just sim yourself if you wanna see what you should pick
south axle
i have all my slot with hast/crit or hast/vers
that's why i ask if i have to change one or the of them for haste/mastery^^
blazing condor
nah no need
stats are also like 1% of how well you'll play
just go for highest ilvl (mainstat) and try and get haste
tribal wharf
210% speed
i think thats normal ground or flying speed
cuz the helicopter max speed put you at 420% for the longest time
i had those weak auras in BFA so i know
hidden spoke
how did this prot warrior block some spell damage from Arcane Expulsion?
is it a spell block thing or something else?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/p1gvxZFz67LqyKwQ#fight=21&type=damage-taken&ability=385958&view=events
the B: parts
pliant cosmos
not sure if this is the correct chat for the MoP remix thing, but how are people playing warrior tank in this? i havnt played it in retail so im going in blind
leaden shard
how did this prot warrior block some spell damage from Arcane Expulsion?
is it a...
The prot warr cast spellblock twice in that fight, so yeah, spellblock was used to mitigate damage
hidden spoke
The prot warr cast spellblock twice in that fight, so yeah, spellblock was used ...
ok but how does spell block mitigate damage?
what's the math?
according to the tooltip it just blocks spells
(for context i'm trying to get it working in https://not-even-close.com/)
south axle
guys
what do u think about totem trinket
wowhead say it's a good trinket but it's only around 1.6/2% of my global damage
blazing condor
all-totem?
its better in m+ than st
should do some good damage though
its split up into several different damage colums in details though
leaden shard
ok but how does spell block mitigate damage?
your physical blocking (shown on your stats) now applies to spells, rather than only physical attacks
it completely changes based on your main stat and block value from talents and your own shield
the obvious problem here is that a formula exists somewhere to calculate how much % a regular block, and crit block would reduce an attack by, but I don't know if something like wowhead has the actual formula or how it's calculated, especially if it changes season by season to account for stat inflation
south axle
all-totem?
u re right i was only looking totem spell name
do u prefer brutal vitality or fueled of violence?
i try both and it seems my hps is a lot better with fueled
stiff wagon
which is actually better? augury of the primal flame, cataclysmic signet brand, elementium anvil, or endruing dreadplate?
i mostly do mythic +
rocky crest
@stiff wagon how high keys do you push ?
plush tendon
I would go Dread and Anvil
Anvil is easier to keep stacks then Signet since you can press it not in combat to refresh the 15 seconds and does lots of damage
and Dreadplate is good defense and offense
stiff wagon
<@151199663372894209> how high keys do you push ?
I probably won't do super high keys 10 or 11
waxen frigate
i try both and it seems my hps is a lot better with fueled
FBV is quite possibly better HPS but keep in mind BV actually reduces damage taken
since it's giving you free ignore pain
so if you're gonna get one-shot by something, BV could potentially save yoru life
FBV cannot
unrelated: does anyone know if i can put BSL on a shield
potent anvil
unrelated: does anyone know if i can put BSL on a shield
Yeah, you can put BSL on shield. If you haven't gotten your answer, yet.
Shield is listed as armor, and BSL can go on armor
waxen frigate
left basalt
Can anyone explain the loot in hard mode DOTI?
Is it hero track for all the bosses and mythic from only last boss, or is the loot pool the entire dungeon for mythic track items and theres a giant chest at the end?
solemn current
Heroic track loot in hard mode from all bosses. Last boss gives myth track loot if no one dies the entire run. Only from that boss’s loot table.
left basalt
Thank you, I thought technically the last boss drops mythic regardless of deathcount you just miss the cheev, could be wrong.
rocky crest
anyone else notice that pugging past 14 is non existant for a prot warrior ? or is it just me
rocky crest
I probably won't do super high keys 10 or 11
ah ok ok
waxen frigate
anyone else notice that pugging past 14 is non existant for a prot warrior ? or ...
pugging rn is awful
but it sounds like you're on EU
so i can't really relate too much. Just know it's worse on NA lol
rocky crest
but it sounds like you're on EU
Correct Sir
strong forum
I'm surprised you get invited to anything past an 8
With how meta slavey this season is
rocky crest
people tend to be surprised after the run
wide charm
anyone else notice that pugging past 14 is non existant for a prot warrior ? or ...
I have trouble getting into 10-12s on my prot war sometimes. People have a very negative opinion. I've also had numerous times where people were basically like "wow maybe prot war doesn't suck" at the end of keys.
Basically people want paladins and especially VDH and everything else gets some serious sideways looks when you pop into the queue
In fairness, most of our CC is stuns which tends to overlap a lot with DPS CCs but I honestly don't think that's what people are looking at, pretty sure its just "what's the tier list say, end of discussion."
Shockwave 2 sec stun @.@
past torrent
I’ve been fine getting into most groups
Helps if I’m bringing a dragon or other top dps
toxic pewter
carmine solstice
Basically people want paladins and especially VDH and everything else gets some ...
Why play the game when you have an interface frame that allows you to select easy mode?
wide charm
xD exactly
carmine solstice
Just run your own keys honestly
I can spend 1hr+ trying to get into something or fill my own key in 10m 🤷🏻♂️
wide charm
Meh, I haven't pushed into "high keys" solo since legion. Pugging is just not fun, I honestly don't know how people do it.
Generally I get all 20-22 in previous seasons and just stop because it becomes unfun. 1 dps messed up a mechanic and just rages in chat and leaves. Bored.
pushing m+ is really fun when you have 2-3 people to play with, or especially a full group
carmine solstice
Agreed
I pigged 3016? I think last season and I’m around 2700 right now.
But MoP dropped sooo
Getting 2,000/2,500 achieves are my goals, past that it’s just a trophy really 🤷🏻♂️ I’m not good enough anymore to push top 0.1% 😂
wide charm
skill isn't enough. You need the time and generally the people.
Pugging to 0.1% is amazing, and you aren't doing that without a shitton of time in the game -- even if you are exceptional
toxic pewter
I only pug and I consider it the best way to experience the game
sullen dagger
random question for panda remix if I get 100% mastery can I just ignore pressing shield block cause I should have a 100% chance to critically block
jagged pier
Well u still need to block
And without pressing shield block is about a 30% chance to block an attack
sullen dagger
ok then I missread cause thought it just gave you x chance to crit block