like im gunna give mop remix ago but having DF class design is
#protection
pallid quiver
just wait, jakey, they're trying to speedrun cata classic so we can get to mop classic faster
jagged pier
🙏
median tulip
I think I'm going to try DK in MoP:R
jagged pier
like praying for mop classic
rapid jewel
mop remis is fun if you want to create an alt army or when you want an ridiculous op char for once
pallid quiver
mop classic comes out, I'd make a second account to play with you guys on EU
love pandaland
strong forum
I'd only play it to yoink the heirloom weapons
jagged pier
I have the heirloom weps
strong forum
Cuz I only have the 2h axe from back then (I never tmog it cuz it doesn't fit anything)
plush tendon
MoP remix is good to level new toons yea?
and theres no mop talent trees or anything
plush tendon
... I might just play druid or brew then
strong forum
It's retail wow classes, but mop content
rapid jewel
yeah, the first one is quicker then actual live, but the second and third are so fast to level
strong forum
With dumb meme powers
plush tendon
I already have max level other tanks
median tulip
They should be in a decent place to start levelling in TWW tho
strong forum
Intended to be dumb
strong forum
In 11.0 you can
pallid quiver
I'm gonna make a third warrior for mop remix
then i might finally level a hunter up
median tulip
I'm mostly just going to do it to get Tusks, NGL
strong forum
Even retroactively, as long as you have the item on your character somewhere
strong forum
All the stuff collected will be unlocked for tmog
plush tendon
strong forum
Iunno
Both systems are kinda whack
DF trees gives you the same illusion of choice as cata style trees
98% will play the same shit
median tulip
I mean, you CAN play whatever you want in the current system. You SHOULDN'T, but you CAN
strong forum
Except DF trees give everyone infinitely more utility than you had access to prior
waxen frigate
DF trees gives you the same illusion of choice as cata style trees
Certain trees are better about this than others though
pallid quiver
I like these trees more than rows because it feels better to level
waxen frigate
But I think ultimately being truly choice based is gonna not be a thing ever in current gaming culture
plush tendon
its all the same to me... DF trees are just old talent trees but with extra steps
strong forum
I think the prot tree is particularly bad for leveling
median tulip
There are a number of issues with the trees as they stand, and the Warrior ones in particular
strong forum
Cuz all your buttons are locked behind lvl 60+
Before that prot is extremely bare bones
pallid quiver
yeah, i felt it while levelling the dorf war with ghash
median tulip
I will die on this hill: Avatar is in the wrong place in the class tree
strong forum
And doesn't have self healing
jagged pier
i love our trees being literally 1 build with no choice
pallid quiver
But I still enjoyed it more getting a talent point every level
jagged pier
pallid quiver
That's just a me feel thing, though
strong forum
Like, I had an easy time leveling, but only because I know exactly what I'm doing
pallid quiver
It's worse overall as a design for the class/spec, I feel, but it just felt better for me personally
strong forum
Someone who doesn't know will have a hard time understanding what's what
plush tendon
too many classes are 1 build with two or three 'choice' points
strong forum
Which is why my leveling guide section for the mop stuff is quite negative for pre-60
Cuz it's just true
The class is clunky until like level 67 or smth
Can't even pull big cuz you don't have rage economy let alone indom
Until the 60s
median tulip
Gotta be honest: the levelling experience is so easy you could probably make it to 70 without spending any talent points or choosing a spec
rapid jewel
yeah tanking in MoP early on without TC is really bad
strong forum
Gotta be honest: the levelling experience is so easy you could probably make it ...
Probably, but that's besides the point
pallid quiver
Gotta be honest: the levelling experience is so easy you could probably make it ...
@warm plinth specless
frosty mango
At what point do you start taking damage as prot
pallid quiver
when something puts a spoopy bleed on you
frosty mango
Some trash packs get spooky (bleeds) but largely my health stays at 100% up until like +12/13
strong forum
At what point do you start taking damage as prot
In keys? Idk
I didn't take dmg all the way until 29s last season
So uh
frosty mango
lol so 15/16
strong forum
It's all relative to your skill
rapid jewel
Some trash packs get spooky (bleeds) but largely my health stays at 100% up unti...
hardmode megadungeon last boss is kinda "fun"
frosty mango
I play properly but this is the first season I’ve mained prot for keys so just kinda struck me
Health bar no move
strong forum
yeah thats our whole shtick
health only move if someone fucked up
be it you or someone else
plush tendon
Prot War is very good in the DF dungeons
Spell Reflect straight stonks on some of the hardest tank bosses
strong forum
its also that there is very very few bosses that actually do tank damage
or mobs that is
plush tendon
scariest is prob the first pulls in Ulda
other then that and maybe a pull or two in Nelth, its a good time to be a prot war
except, of course, VDH exists
and most meta comps aint getting value out of battle shout
median tulip
Spell Reflect straight stonks on some of the hardest tank bosses
Reflecting the channel on the last boss in HoI
tepid nest
spell reflect is insane this season
plush tendon
Reflecting the channel on the last boss in HoI
honestly, Spell Reflect on Leymour is huge
and the last boss in NO
toxic pewter
Spell Reflect straight stonks on some of the hardest tank bosses
yeah, when it works
spell reflect more unreliable than ever
plush tendon
I didnt realize that Leymor hurts cause I was war main in S1
but he hurts apparently
median tulip
Does he?
frosty mango
Also the second boss in nokhud
frosty mango
You can leap out every SR and take a wind burst
toxic pewter
yeah Leymour is a group killer tbh
if tank doesnt do well
its just over immediately
tepid nest
last boss AV too
tepid nest
and heroic leap away from the frontal
oh i didn't knwo you could do this
toxic pewter
i think his frontal follows you now
frosty mango
Lot of tanks pull leymour out and then scuff the cone - if you just tank him in the center you can always hit 5/6 things
toxic pewter
oh interesting
median tulip
There's loads of frontals you can outrange
frosty mango
i think his frontal follows you now
Pretty much any tracking frontal you can outrange by leaping backwards
plush tendon
Lot of tanks pull leymour out and then scuff the cone - if you just tank him in ...
I find if you just hit center and at least 1 on the outside
toxic pewter
i would prob leap onto the healer or some crrap
plush tendon
the room is always clear
median tulip
Those drakes in HoI; their breath only has a range of like 4cm
plush tendon
obviously you can get more
pallid quiver
Lot of tanks pull leymour out and then scuff the cone - if you just tank him in ...
you're given like 78 hours to try and find a good spot to frontal a whole bunch of trees
frosty mango
It’s a circle, the best spot is always the middle relatively speaking
tepid nest
ye personally i take the time to move it to the best spot
plush tendon
Those drakes in HoI; their breath only has a range of like 4cm
most routes only pull 1 drake; but that requires evoker and priest to do I think
frosty mango
Shortest distance to any tree is from the center
toxic pewter
i was an outher person
strong forum
if you do it tangent to the middle
plush tendon
or you just death skip the first and third
strong forum
you can clear 1 entire side of trees
pallid quiver
^^^
frosty mango
There’s times outside will get you a better set but just on the whole if you stay center you can arc him and get an entire side
median tulip
most routes only pull 1 drake; but that requires evoker and priest to do I think
Really? I just murder the lot of them once you don't take any breath damage they are easy
plush tendon
Really? I just murder the lot of them once you don't take any breath damage they...
theres better places to get %
and the dragon hurts the group
cause of the frost dot
pallid quiver
tell them to desnare themselves smh
median tulip
NGL I don't even look at % in HoI
jagged pier
W
plush tendon
you can straight W HoI in most cases
pallid quiver
I know your pala doesn't have freedom bound, but tell them to click it if they have to
plush tendon
it really only applies when pushing higher keys
toxic pewter
in hoi is going left at start better since they added new rez spot
might as well right if i am an engineer can get that thing
or whatever
frosty mango
in hoi is going left at start better since they added new rez spot
Dont think it matters really the run back there is a key bricker no matter what
rain vale
Hey all looking to get into prot tanking and just wondering how warrior is for getting adds and such in dungeons.
rapid jewel
you can skip the last group before third boss in hoi, if you take some % elsewhere
pallid quiver
Hey all looking to get into prot tanking and just wondering how warrior is for g...
No DH or Pala; can be annoying gathering casters, but once everything's gathered, you're fine
rigid hull
any youtube channel with prot war season 4 pov?
frosty mango
Hey all looking to get into prot tanking and just wondering how warrior is for g...
Probably easiest tank besides dh for gathering, you have an aoe taunt/silence on a short cd. Some areas can be irritating - like physical ranged (nokhud bow guys etc)
Disrupting shout is huge and definitely not something a lot of wars really use to their advantage
You can get like 60-80 interrupts in a dungeon like nokhud by using disrupting intelligently. Sometimes I get 5 at once and scream “Yahtzee!”. My wife thinks I’m strange
jagged pier
i mean u can do that with fear shout as well
frosty mango
i mean u can do that with fear shout as well
Yeah but it doesn’t show up on details as nicely
jagged pier
from what i have seen ppl that are talented into disrupting
are not using one of the 2 shouts
meaning they are loosing value of talents which is bad
frosty mango
Intim/demo?
pallid quiver
Nome tried it out in Notgood earlier; I'd honestly be curious to see that break down
jagged pier
no intim and disrupting
pallid quiver
definitely would make adds on last boss nicer, even if it can be done without
pallid quiver
in comparison to most people rocking disrupting
frosty mango
I play both intim and disrupt for some dungeons - usually finish nokhud at like 55-70 interrupts
jagged pier
ive been told many times its amazing yet the logs i was linked was someone talented in one dungeon they didnt use intim shout once and claims disrupting was amazing (where intim would have covered all the casts they stopped) and then in the other they used intim but hardly used disrutping and when they did intuprt somethign with it their pummel / stormbolt/SR/ shockwave were on CD and could have been used instead
my point is its not huge
but i do agree ppl are using it incorrectly
frosty mango
I think both disrupt and intim get higher value in pugs if you play properly
pallid quiver
I know that feel on needing to storm bolt an incorp, Nome
jagged pier
and one shout was enough
also how many times have yu pressed SR and ppl still intuprt
or stun
frosty mango
If I were in a full group in discord, I would probably not run disrupt because a lot of the kicks you grab are gonna be overlaps if other people are playing properly
jagged pier
If I were in a full group in discord, I would probably not run disrupt because a...
but thats where its niche is
disrupting shout is great if it enables u to do a pull u couldnt without it
ie in a full stack group
pulling bigger than pugs
where it is actually required
for a pull
and if its just for 1 pull its still worth it if your using it to stop the odd cast here and there then its not worth it at all like in most pug
frosty mango
disrupting shout is great if it enables u to do a pull u couldnt without it
Yea but imo in that situation you’re going to be leaning on stops more than an aoe silence - there’s places I’d see it helping a lot to push really big pulls
Ya were saying the same thing
I can’t trust half the players in some of these pugs to use health pots and not stand in front of the boss let alone interrupt
jagged pier
like even in nomes key he uses it better than most ppl but i still dont think it was needed
ppl just arent ever gunna convince me a worth to take. and the only evidence they give are 'its good in pugs'
pallid quiver
Honestly, Nome's log up there is the first time I've seen unique value (outside of like, Dathea platform) been made from Disrupting shout; he used both of them to cover multiple casts, let him gather adds for last boss easier, and covered non-hard CC stoppable casts with it
jagged pier
yer but there u go the unique pull value im not disagreeing about that
the groupo needed a way to group the adds on the final boss
pallid quiver
Yeah, I was saying that more to say that most people don't get value out of the point
jagged pier
but ppl just saying in general its better in pugs makes no sense its a niche talent for niche scenarios
pallid quiver
And that they're better served with bloodsurge
jagged pier
^^
pallid quiver
most people don't do any of what I just listed Nome did with disrupting
frosty mango
ppl just arent ever gunna convince me a worth to take. and the only evidence the...
Thats a fair take - I’m the opposite mindset, I’d rather lose 12-15k dps and just have it to cover more shit myself using it effectively than not
jagged pier
its not about dps
frosty mango
Agree if you take it for the feelies and just don’t use it yea you’re wasting talent space
frosty mango
and your not covering as much as u think
“More than zero” is the amount I’m aiming for
jagged pier
🤷
frosty mango
I’ll log some dungeons tonight and get some opinions - maybe I’m upside down on this
tepid nest
i mean, i use both but intimidating shout is unreliable since it doesnt hit the entire pack right?
crystal iris
ive been told many times its amazing yet the logs i was linked was someone talen...
Well Intim isn’t really a silence. And I save it for emergencies as a last resort and especially for affix just in case
tepid nest
and yes, intim also will not stop perma casters from just standing and casting again after the fear
jagged pier
right but why arent u pulling mobs onto casters?
thats what u should be doing
thats general tank gameplay
tepid nest
because it often isnt that simple
jagged pier
like i dont get this i charge a caster inturpt it
it follows me to the second caster
crystal iris
I love it for the triple pull on the vexamus platform
pallid quiver
I think the only time there's been multiple casters I need to group in a pull, there's either a corner to los or I can just jab the throat of the first caster
jagged pier
i literally do that with no issue with the shout
crystal iris
You can get a good 10 kicks right there and those things have a tendency to keep casting after you stun them so the silence is nice
Ils also nice to have the CDR on the standard aoe taunt
It’s up almost every pull
rapid jewel
back in the day when heroic throw silenced at range, ah the good times
crystal iris
I usually use it first to use as taunt and interrupt to help gather, then shockwave then int shout if needed
crystal iris
Call me a DH
pallid quiver
to be fair, if you're getting value from the taunt from the CDR, you're getting value from it then
grim pilot
if you manage to group 2 packs u wouldn't be able to do otherwise
pallid quiver
but i've also gone dungeons without ever pressing aoe taunt, so there's that, too
tepid nest
idk man, it's crazy to argue that disrupting shout is not good because bad warriors are not using all of their tools correctly
grim pilot
it already gains more than enough value to cover for it
even if its just 1 pull
in whole key
jagged pier
idk man, it's crazy to argue that disrupting shout is not good because bad warri...
im not saying bad warriors are using it incorrectly
frosty mango
I don’t really see value in using challenging as aoe taunt sans like 2 specific situations - there’s not much you aren’t getting snap aggro on with leap charge and tclap
crystal iris
if you manage to group 2 packs u wouldn't be able to do otherwise
Sometimes I’ll literally just use it on 3 casters to silence them and pull them I to another pack
jagged pier
im saying 99% of warriors
arent using it correctly
plka was in here the other day claimed he used it all th etime
crystal iris
It’s nice to have
jagged pier
nome found a log where he pressed it once
in the entire dungoen
and shockwave was on cd at the same time
tepid nest
well that is pretty wild
crystal iris
I press it more or less on CD, int shout is saved for emergencies though and I usually press it 5-6 times a run
If shockwave will do the job, I use that
In fact I have a macro that combines shockwave and int shout. If shockwave is ready it uses that, if not it uses int shout haha
pallid quiver
i default to int shout if it's available because it doesn't dr a common dr
jagged pier
^^
crystal iris
Oh interesting
crystal iris
It’s nice
tepid nest
its important to remember that intimidating shout only stops 6 targets so if the pull has more than that, it's a gamble.
pallid quiver
I might play with it this season just to try it out; I'm not expecting to get value out of it, but I do want more perspective
grim pilot
like 10k dps from tank is literally nothing
crystal iris
In BH the amount of DPS that stand there and eat the hunters fixate is NUTS
grim pilot
or however much you lose on bloodsruge or the talent that just got buffed
crystal iris
Before first boss
pallid quiver
or however much you lose on bloodsruge or the talent that just got buffed
you lose indom healing from losing alacrity; DPS can bite it for all i care if i get told to drop that
grim pilot
either way
crystal iris
While we’re talking about controversial niche talents. Might as well talk about titanic throw. I started using that and it’s so nice
pallid quiver
you're learnin' to love the wrong talent in the current landscape
grim pilot
its not controversial
pallid quiver
that's on board to get shot
frosty mango
What is titanic throw
pallid quiver
More than a few like it, but I've never been a fan. it's very funny tho
crystal iris
Disrupting shout gets this disc all fired up
grim pilot
I've never used titanic throw nor do I plan to use it but I you're not losing that much to get it if you're unsure of agro
frosty mango
That still exists?
pallid quiver
What is titanic throw
aoe heroic throw
crystal iris
What is titanic throw
Your heroic throw hits 5 targets not 1
pallid quiver
but has a cd, too
frosty mango
I know what it is lol
frosty mango
Forgot my /s
frosty mango
Just don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone use it
crystal iris
It’s fantastic
pallid quiver
It's actually pretty popular
crystal iris
Because sidearm sucks
pallid quiver
I'd say like 40% of prots in the wild rock in, usually saccing sidearm
frosty mango
Sidearm can’t suck it’s literally free dps for existing
pallid quiver
which is interesting, since that's just straight free damage
crystal iris
It’s like 1-2%
pallid quiver
Like 4-5k DPS
grim pilot
thats a bit of a stretch
crystal iris
And if you save a DPS from agroung a pack while you gather it’s worth it
frosty mango
Would you skip a gear upgrade and say “it’s only 5k dps”
crystal iris
If you save a DPS from pulling aggro on mobs that spawn far it’s worth it
pallid quiver
thats a bit of a stretch
poo, I forgot to mention that I've seen personally
crystal iris
Would you skip a gear upgrade and say “it’s only 5k dps”
If it gave me something in return, yes. Like a shield or something
pallid quiver
I know it's less popular picked than that, but
crystal iris
Bromach first boss ulduman. When the far adds spawn you can aggro them quickly. BH lasher spawns easy to aggro. BH treemouth some ranged spawns slimes across the room easy to aggro
BH first pull you don’t have to run down the the cage pack to pull them just chuck 5 hammers down there
Lots of QoL uses
tepid nest
Bromach first boss ulduman. When the far adds spawn you can aggro them quickly. ...
you're using it as a crutch in basically all of those instances
but sacrificing sidearm is not huge i guess
jagged pier
just to say my point 2 dungeons that are 15 from one of the top 10 io warriors under using intim shout and using disrupting when they could have pummeled or storm bolted, if u want to run disrupting please run it but u have to actually get value out of it first 2 logs i looked at
solemn current
Titanic throw would feel better if it didn’t have the cooldown honestly. I tried it and went to heroic throw 2 packs only couldn’t.
crystal iris
you're using it as a crutch in basically all of those instances
Sure. Why wouldn’t I want to make my life easier though
crystal iris
Titanic throw would feel better if it didn’t have the cooldown honestly. I tried...
Heroic throw one pack, taunt, heroic throw another. It’s 1 GCD
Also how is bromach a crutch?
stiff gate
people who think tank dps matters in any key below title range are delusional. if you save ONE single dps from dying to aggro at any point in a key you've basically already made up the damage sidearm would've done
grim pilot
just to say my point 2 dungeons that are 15 from one of the top 10 io warriors u...
I think you're overestimating what getting the value means
crystal iris
Those stupid adds spawn so far away on opposite sides it’s annoying
solemn current
Dps should just know better not to dps packs until in melee and they usually do. Otherwise nothing a thunderclap/revenge can’t do for AoE threat while grouping.
jagged pier
I think you're overestimating what getting the value means
well not casting fear for 7 mins into a dungeon for no reason 🤷 when he could have stopped the cassts with it
crystal iris
Dps should just know better not to dps packs until in melee and they usually do....
Sure, if the pack is in. But I’m talking about range pulling
jagged pier
cause the mobs dont start casting icebolt straight away
pallid quiver
people who think tank dps matters in any key below title range are delusional. i...
if tank dps doesn't matter, dps dps doesn't matter
that logic has literally never made sense to me; dps is dps, no matter the source
The argument being presented, anyway, is that people already have the tools to stop that death
they're just not pressing them
jagged pier
u can also just los them around a corner
crystal iris
If you pull with a single taunt or heroic throw, the pack will aggro healer if they are anywhere near it.
Titanic allows you to pull an extra pack once you’ve exhausted charge and leap
solemn current
Sure, if the pack is in. But I’m talking about range pulling
Yea me too. The moment they’re in melee range it’s locked in. Healer shouldn’t be healing while grouping.
crystal iris
u can also just los them around a corner
Not many corners in BH
stiff gate
if tank dps doesn't matter, dps dps doesn't matter
that logic has literally nev...
dps do 2-3x the dps of a tank, gaining 1-3% damage as a tank is completely irrelevant. and of course, if everyone plays perfectly, you'd never need these things. but how many groups have you been in and said "wow the dps made no mistakes, i made no mistakes, that was a perfect key"
crystal iris
Yea me too. The moment they’re in melee range it’s locked in. Healer shouldn’t b...
They always do. Earth shield or a small hot. Point is you can’t bring a pack in with only a single taunt or ST throw while you gather you need to hit them all with something
stiff gate
also my hot take is that dps's dps is also really not that important, the chances of you depleting a key to the timer in which nobody dies are very small, again, until you're doing title range keys
pallid quiver
That's still not addressing the argument at all; the argument is to focus on pressing your actual buttons. Having an extra button that you happened to slip on didn't fix anything
crystal iris
Pallies have shield, DH has flame or fel dev, us having titanic throw is nice
vocal flame
dps do 2-3x the dps of a tank, gaining 1-3% damage as a tank is completely irrel...
that is an excellent point
grim pilot
also my hot take is that dps's dps is also really not that important, the chance...
In general people are too concerned about raw dps output
crystal iris
Plus DPS should be able to start doing damage while you gather. It’s unrealistic to think they won’t touch mobs at all
Priests should be woke to start putting our dots
grim pilot
You'd have to have negative damage in the group to not time a key purely to dps in actually clean run
stiff gate
^^^
pallid quiver
boss i am not popping until you sit down as a DPS; a titanic throw ain't gonna do shit for a pwave cleaved lightning bolt
solemn current
They always do. Earth shield or a small hot. Point is you can’t bring a pack in ...
I don’t know what key level you’re in typically but even healers in even the decently higher pug keys know to wait. Was one of my first lessons as a healer in keys. I group mobs fine all the time with no issues. I’m not saying it can’t be useful/convenient. I’m just saying the cooldown turned me off from it the couple dungeons I used it.
dusky canopy
Overtime’s a key by 3 seconds
grim pilot
you can definitely afford to lose stuff
dusky canopy
“Tank dps doesn’t matter though”
grim pilot
yes but how low would it have to be
dusky canopy
dusky canopy
Key level is irrelevant
frosty mango
Not about blame
grim pilot
no I mean tank dps
dusky canopy
All party members dps matters
crystal iris
boss i am _not_ popping until you sit down as a DPS; a titanic throw ain't gonna...
No but it’s good enough for their dot and pwave dot
dusky canopy
And all should push themselves to there limits
frosty mango
Dps is dps
dusky canopy
That’s the same as saying “healer dps doesn’t matter”
grim pilot
30k more from tank min maxing isnt gonna change shit if the key wasnt clean
dusky canopy
But every single team runs the healer that brings the most
Weird init
Don’t give lazy tanks excuses
tepid nest
no they don't, unless you mean at the very hioghest level
pallid quiver
That’s the same as saying “healer dps doesn’t matter”
it doesn't, that's why my DPS helps me out by standing in every swirlie possible with no defensives 🙂
tepid nest
where everyones dps DOES matter
stiff gate
making keys easier on everyone is much more important to gaining io than doing slightly more damage, the number of keys you deplete to aggro/dps rando pulling a pack/missing a stop on something is literally infinitely higher than the number of keys you will deplete to doing 3% less dps as the tank
dusky canopy
Everyone should play for optimal dps
grim pilot
healer dps starts to matter in wf keys
solemn current
You mean you don’t like resto Druids watching Netflix in your key doing 15k dps?
crystal iris
Tank damage matters for sure. 3% lost tank damage does not matter.
tepid nest
ok but you dont need to is the point 😄
frosty mango
30k more from tank min maxing isnt gonna change shit if the key wasnt clean
Uh 30k more overall dps is a massive amount of damage
grim pilot
in title level keys
healer dps
is absolutely irrelevant
unless they afk on easy pulls
thats different
dusky canopy
Title level players are not in here debating this
It’s some rando who probably does 12s as hard content
stiff gate
im literally in here debating this
grim pilot
I mean I got title last season so idk
dusky canopy
Clambing tank dps doesn’t matter
tepid nest
ok but thats kinda exactly the point, it doesnt matter at that level
that person would be correct
grim pilot
like I said, as long as healer is doing something and not actually visibly negative damage I will never look at healer dps
tepid nest
talenting into sidearm is not oging to be the difference between timing a 12 or not
grim pilot
I'll applaud if he has really big
but if he managed to heal the key
and did some dps
dusky canopy
Regardless of key level everyone should play for optimal dps you only sacrifice dps when it’s required to survive
grim pilot
I will never look at it
tepid nest
proven?
dusky canopy
Yes
stiff gate
yeah this guy said it so its proven dont u know
tepid nest
what do they prove?
so much more
for you to claim its never required 😄
outrageous
urban bane
that it isn't being utilized effectively
vocal flame
what ever happened as a tank making sure your sunders were up and had threat? just getting beaten on and trying to stay alive
frosty mango
Pretty sure in this sense he means optimal
stiff gate
again, if you stop one single cast in a dungeon that would've killed someone, that you otherwise would've missed because you didn't have DS, you've probably made up the damage sidearm wouldve done
limber temple
what ever happened as a tank making sure your sunders were up and had threat? ju...
NO DPS UNTIL 3 SUNDERS. A simpler life.
pallid quiver
what ever happened as a tank making sure your sunders were up and had threat? ju...
when they dropped the shield for a second wep
grim pilot
again, if you stop one single cast in a dungeon that would've killed someone, th...
its not sidearm vs ds but yes
thats the point
urban bane
Sidearm vs DS isn't a choice?
undone beacon
Man I love watching this channel get whipped into a frenzy over DS lmao
stiff gate
sry
frosty mango
Nothing is really required if the bar is “the key is cleared”. Insanely skilled people out there doing all kinds of craziness
stiff gate
any talent thats like 3% damage or whatever for a tank
pallid quiver
Sidearm vs DS isn't a choice?
It became sidearm for titanic throw and everything just got mulched together
undone beacon
Thought this was a Sidearms vs Titanic Throw debate today
grim pilot
and I can 100% assure you playing properly and losing damage on talents that can help your group
is more than enough dps
as a tank
pallid quiver
There's a lot of effective strawmanning going on, so I've dipped from the discussion
urban bane
It became sidearm for titanic throw and everything just got mulched together
hah thanks. got lost in the sauce
grim pilot
I've seen so many prot warriors do negative damage pushing keys
warm plinth
Gotta be honest: the levelling experience is so easy you could probably make it ...
As someone who has done this (well, tried to), you really can't haha. I ended up getting mine powerleveled. Double agent probably levels faster.
humble schooner
NO DPS UNTIL 3 SUNDERS. A simpler life.
I remember you needed to wait for 5 before, threat used to be so bad
frosty mango
Lots of things (like ds) are not optimal but I’m gonna live my best ds life. Something can be valuable and suboptimal at the same time, both can be true
vocal flame
I've seen so many prot warriors do negative damage pushing keys
what is "negative damage" you mean low dps?
grim pilot
yes
like insanely low
I dont even know how
I've seen title prot warrior do 100k in throne last season on some random vod
100k or something around that
holding demo shout for 1+min
pallid quiver
As someone who has done this (well, tried to), you really can't haha. I ended u...
You should've just let me tank for you smh, you could heal my dorf once he hit level cap
vocal flame
100k or something around that
thats probably me i did 156k on a +2 nork the other day lol
limber temple
I remember you needed to wait for 5 before, threat used to be so bad
Trick was to not apply the last for a bit 😂
vocal flame
but i play very defensively maybe thats why and we timed it easily
dusky canopy
In most cases it is not
grim pilot
You take DS if it’s required to live something
I can assure you 5% as tank here or there wont change shit
strong forum
wait is it call to chaos bad on tank again?
warm plinth
Something a lot of folks don't realize about specless toons is the lack of abilities, lack of spec auras, etc.
dusky canopy
The top Prot war runs it because there group plans around it presumably
strong forum
top war is sense
warm plinth
DS?
grim pilot
The top Prot war runs it because there group plans around it presumably
I dont know who top war is
but
strong forum
you can assume anything sense does is correct
grim pilot
week 3 stuff is whatever
dusky canopy
No nome, guys arguing about DS being required
vocal flame
@grim pilot how are your logs showing the actual dung? I cant get mine to work, I just get this
dusky canopy
For Prot war
strong forum
DS?
warm plinth
Defensive stance?
strong forum
defensive stance?
urban bane
disrupting shout
dusky canopy
Disrupting shout
frosty mango
Disrupting shout
strong forum
what
warm plinth
Oh
strong forum
hell no
pallid quiver
Something a lot of folks don't realize about specless toons is the lack of abili...
It's notable how much there is behind specs that we don't see that affect how the game plays
tepid nest
No nome, guys arguing about DS being required
you're the only one that mentioned it being required
strong forum
its not required
dusky canopy
I’ve been trying to explain this
grim pilot
No nome, guys arguing about DS being required
nobody said its required, we said its value is justified if you manage to prevent 1 death
in whole key
tepid nest
you said it's been proven that it isn't required, which is a wild claim to make
warm plinth
You have three other stops to do that with though
tepid nest
noone else has said anything other than it's a good talent
dusky canopy
It has been proven
humble schooner
DS would be "required" at a high level without a DH
dusky canopy
Literally sense
pallid quiver
its not required
run, both sides of the argument aren't arguing in good faith
dusky canopy
Lmao
stiff gate
we should hang out in the vengeance dh discord and tell them not take silence sigil, there's probably a talent that lets them do more damage they could take instead of that pesky aoe stop that isn't required
strong forum
run, both sides of the argument aren't arguing in good faith
yeah it rarely is
just drop bloodsurge
warm plinth
Silence sigil and disrupting shout are vastly different.
urban bane
Silence Sigil compaison to a 75 second aoe interrupt is such a bad faith comparison
LMAO
strong forum
its a turbo wild claim to require it
grim pilot
You have three other stops to do that with though
yes but you not always have it. Sometimes you'll find yourself running out of stops
warm plinth
Silence sigil silences, for one.
stiff gate
silence sigil is better for sure, but an aoe stop is an aoe stop
woven perch
warm plinth
Disrupting shout interrupts.
warm plinth
If the mob isn't casting, it does nothing.
dusky canopy
Also what I said
tepid nest
again though, noone claimed it was required at any point ^_^
woven perch
dopamine hit when disrupting interrupts 5 things tho
frosty mango
I feel like I started this entire mess with my statement that most wars are using DS poorly
dusky canopy
All the lurkers in here who need advice see these guys hyping up disrupting shout
That’s not the correct way to try and play
pallid quiver
I feel like I started this entire mess with my statement that most wars are usin...
I think it boiled into it over time, especially as more people saw the peanut gallery and poked in
frosty mango
All the lurkers in here who need advice see these guys hyping up disrupting shou...
My original claim was DS has value in mid/high level pugs if you use it properly but most wars do not - now we’re here
grim pilot
All the lurkers in here who need advice see these guys hyping up disrupting shou...
why would you not take a free stop when pugging
crystal iris
we should hang out in the vengeance dh discord and tell them not take silence si...
LOL I like this
urban bane
🥜
tepid nest
why would you not take a free stop when pugging
its been proven that it's not required mate
pallid quiver
i just wanted to see how Nome was getting his use out of Disrupting since i wanted to see someone actually utilizing it well, and I did, I learned, and am happy
woven perch
<:peepoHappy:673436349805625364> 🥜
warm plinth
Honestly my only issue with this conversation is that people keep using DS as the abbreviation when we literally have three things abbreviated that way and the two others came way before.
blazing condor
how bout we just let ppl play whatever they want and then you can just look at whats most effective on logs
so much yap
warm plinth
This is BV/BrV all over again
crystal iris
DS is just objectively better than int shout
pallid quiver
Honestly my only issue with this conversation is that people keep using DS as th...
to be fair, we had disrupting in pandaland, too, iirc
warm plinth
No, no it is not.
woven perch
Honestly my only issue with this conversation is that people keep using DS as th...
DIsS
pallid quiver
It was even its own button and didn't share with aoe taunt
strong forum
DS is just objectively better than int shout
is not
grim pilot
like idk I really cant get my head around advocating to not take a free stop and get what, 3% dps in aoe?
crystal iris
No, no it is not.
Explain. It’s shorter CD, hits all mobs, silences any casts it kicks
grim pilot
if youre pushing
frosty mango
DS is just objectively better than int shout
Ehhhhh that’s super not true
grim pilot
in pug group
warm plinth
All mobs don't cast.
frosty mango
Intim isn’t a silence it’s a stop
crystal iris
Int just stops casts the caster will start up again
tepid nest
Explain. It’s shorter CD, hits all mobs, silences any casts it kicks
plenty of things you might want to stop are not casts
frosty mango
It has far use more cases
crystal iris
plenty of things you might want to stop are not casts
That’s why we have int shout and shockwave
pallid quiver
Int just stops casts the caster will start up again
That's incredibly wrong; Mystic Blast for just a quick off the top of the head
strong forum
like idk I really cant get my head around advocating to not take a free stop and...
do you play shockwave as arms?
warm plinth
And again, disrupting does nothing if the mob isn't actively casting. And in modern wow, tons of casts are forced to not cast simultaneously.
crystal iris
But for the purpose of stopping casts and silencing packs and groupings mobs, DS is better than int shout
grim pilot
do you play shockwave as arms?
you want me to link you keys where I did?
I played 28-30 keys
with shockwave
as arms
because I knew what my group lacks
warm plinth
No, it's just not. See my previous comment.
In the very rare occasion where you can kick multiple mobs simultaneously, you could make that case situationally.
grim pilot
and getting shockwave as arms is bigger loss for overall damage than getting DS as prot
warm plinth
But in general? Intim is better.
crystal iris
In the very rare occasion where you can kick multiple mobs simultaneously, you c...
Tons of great occasions
warm plinth
Such as?
tepid nest
i think its a bit weird to compare intim and disrupting shout, kinda different use cases. they are both good, intim is more flexible sure but loses value on bigger pulls
grim pilot
and many more
warm plinth
I can agree with that krayt
crystal iris
Such as?
Triple pack before Vex, any of the packs with speakers before first boss of BH, first pull of AV
woven perch
servers up
stiff gate
first 2 packs of ruby, anything by 2nd boss or 3rd boss in NO
warm plinth
It would be very good for first pull of AV, ill give you that one.
crystal iris
The adds that spawn from tree mouth
warm plinth
Since they do cast simultaneously
crystal iris
I will start using int shout more though now that I know it doesn’t contribute to DR
warm plinth
Basically sigil of silence there
pallid quiver
servers up <:peepoHappy:673436349805625364>
That's why there was so many people so free smh
crystal iris
But only hitting 5 mobs is kind of troll
crystal iris
Especially if it doesn’t hit the ones you actually want to stop lol
grim pilot
you cant expect everyone do play perfecetly
thats already wrong mentality for pushing keys
you expect people are gonna fuck up
and you try to cover for them
I played 5000 vers as arms even though I didnt need to just to require less heal in heal checks because I played with squishy bm
crystal iris
What can I drop to take intervene?
grim pilot
and still d stanced and used all my other defs
you will see people with their ccs ready to be used while you're dead or someone else is
warm plinth
What can I drop to take intervene?
Sidearm/pain&gain
Whatever you're running with that point
ionic fern
Love you too, Ghash.
warm plinth
pallid quiver
mwahi's here, today is good day
crystal iris
Sidearm/pain&gain
Sidearm is long gone for titanic throw 🙂
pallid quiver
we love mwahi
warm plinth
Drop titanic throw then
I don't know how you like that tbh. The cooldown put me off of it.
pallid quiver
ghash, the spirits try to tempt me, there's an anvil in my vault and i want it
pallid quiver
but i can just soup cube up one this week and get the mythic shoulders
crystal iris
true, but then again i rarely use heroic throw more than twice in a row
frosty mango
ghash, the spirits try to tempt me, there's an anvil in my vault and i want it
Do it. I have 528 anvil it slaps
crystal iris
so ive just taken to titanic throwing, taunting, then titanic throwing again if needed
pallid quiver
BUT I CAN JUST SOUP CUBE IT
warm plinth
Titanic throw scares me since TJS too lol
It spreads like avengers shield/chain lightning so it can do very strange targeting
crystal iris
ya you have to be a bit careful, its not as bad as avengers shield tho
warm plinth
I used titanic throw on the last pull of TJS and I cast it on the rightmost mob and it hit all of them (we had CCed the left mob) lol.
pallid quiver
feels whack turning down an anvil, but it is what it is; i just need to slap and lfr and bam
rocky kraken
is leech is better then avoidance
warm plinth
For tanks, yes
toxic pewter
just got 3 cloaks in my vault
pallid quiver
since they like, die a lot of the time when they get hit
warm plinth
Leech is pretty great for healers too but depends on if you're doing really high keys where avoidance would probably help more.
Since it procs from heals too
warm plinth
just got 3 cloaks in my vault
You hate to see it
dusky canopy
At the end of the day people can run disrupting shout, I only started yapping about it because the lurkers in here who read for advice do not need to read that it’s the best option
radiant mortar
top war is sense
arnt you the guide writer/theorycrafter tho 
pallid quiver
arnt you the guide writer/theorycrafter tho <:keks:936231610850897992>
sense is built different
radiant mortar
📔 will have a look
warm plinth
Guide writers are always TCs. Some happen to be top players too. Nome is generally only not top because he doesn't care to do the content. He skyrocketed last season when he decided to push.
pallid quiver
like it's true tho
I don't understand what goes on in that man's head, if only because he's also a man of few public facing words
ebon geyser
@ionic fern u tested war in ptr?
warm plinth
And then you got Preheat who writes his guides like dissertations
radiant mortar
sad, sense is US so wont realy catch him streaming probably
pallid quiver
sad, sense is US so wont realy catch him streaming probably
If you're just looking for play, he's also got a youtube channel he randomly uploads to
dusky canopy
sad, sense is US so wont realy catch him streaming probably
Worth pulling all nighter
warm plinth
I remember when Deswind played prot 
jagged pier
radiant mortar
and just say "but top players are doing it"?
dusky canopy
Can learn a lot from sense if you are the type who learns by observing
radiant mortar
Im joking!
jagged pier
and just say "but top players are doing it"?
i will cut u
warm plinth
I will Fite
radiant mortar
read my profile
warm plinth
Why did my phone capitalize that lol
radiant mortar
to make it funnier?
dusky canopy
Fite!!!
ebon geyser
JACKEYYYY
dusky canopy
jagged pier
that pretty funny
pallid quiver
Why did my phone capitalize that lol
Glorious Battle, deserves all respect
dusky canopy
warm plinth
Anyway back to retirement for me. Have fun boys and girls
dusky canopy
Later ghash!!
south zealot
disrupting shout lets go
pallid quiver
no, ghash, do i open as enha or resto
warm plinth
Enha
radiant mortar
that pretty funny
the profile msg or the Fite!!!
jagged pier
ele
south zealot
oh guys on a side note what are you doing in neltharus rn
pallid quiver
gamble on a myth track wep, I like it
warm plinth
👋
pallid quiver
See ya
jagged pier
the profile msg or the Fite!!!
the message
radiant mortar
south zealot
i tried to send a 15 last night but my route just felt slow
grim pilot
i tried to send a 15 last night but my route just felt slow
link
pallid quiver
oh guys on a side note what are you doing in neltharus rn
not running it because the gods have decided that's the key I'm not running this season
south zealot
we wiped to third boss but even if we didnt i think we were like 2 mins under time
mild latch
can you dodge/parry/block and stuff while channeling grieftorch btw?
strong forum
arnt you the guide writer/theorycrafter tho <:keks:936231610850897992>
im rly good, but there doesnt have to be only 1 top war
waxen frigate
im rly good, but there doesnt have to be only 1 top war
Well technically
There does
south zealot
whos the 8th best prot warrior
waxen frigate
There does
And we all know it’s Nish
grim pilot
hold on i gotta create it in mdt again
I winged mine without even checking what % I need before some points but I can advise you on yours
waxen frigate
Sense is simply my most accomplished protege
strong forum
nish was 4k io before anyone else
waxen frigate
nish was 4k io before anyone else
Facts
pallid quiver
I remember when Nish was 4k io
Then he became washed up, a man of the yogurt...
hate to see it
jagged pier
its funny hows nomes muscle memory is better than 99% of ppl trying
waxen frigate
Then he became washed up, a man of the yogurt...
I’m simply biding my time (my tummy hurts so I’m on the toilet)
jagged pier
senses is like better than everyone even trying their best
waxen frigate
(I’m lactose intolerant)
jagged pier
where fish review?
waxen frigate
where fish review?
Idk man I got anchovies and trout in the pantry
Idk if I eat those alone or use them with something
Sometime this month maybe
south zealot
@grim pilot
jagged pier
I used to eat anchovies on their own 
south zealot
i was chaining basically every pull when key enemies died
radiant mortar
im rly good, but there doesnt have to be only 1 top war
just meming, who is nish?
south zealot
@waxen frigate
waxen frigate
just meming, who is nish?
?
waxen frigate
^
radiant mortar
ah
radiant mortar
I trust
waxen frigate
I don’t feel the need to flaunt my achievements over others
radiant mortar
your log review tips helped me a lot
ionic fern
I'm the best, go away.
radiant mortar
could you do that for arms too?
jagged pier
south zealot
holy moly
jagged pier
time for a catalyst
waxen frigate
I used to eat anchovies on their own <:kekW:620386906634584095>
This is what I have
grim pilot
<@325173865175318529>
ditch pull 15, either pull 14 on boss or with 13 - commander is good % in general (the miniboss around 3rd boss area)
merge last 2 pulls
south zealot
damn this weekly quest is trash no new 2 bullions
grim pilot
just make sure u have spell block and youre gucci
jagged pier
damn this weekly quest is trash no new 2 bullions
tru
south zealot
ditch pull 15, either pull 14 on boss or with 13 - commander is good % in genera...
wait can you pull 17 with the bird pack
jagged pier
no point in weekly
south zealot
i didnt know you could
grim pilot
wait can you pull 17 with the bird pack
yes u can
get some agro
and outrange first 2 strikes
pallid quiver
no point in weekly
the point is to gear up an alt or something i guess
grim pilot
so you dont have to waste defs on them because you'll have more of them
what I did in mine is
not snap the 2 lava guys
do them with commander
and then just go bird + 2 mobs from pull 17
violet ginkgo
Shiet.... that puzzle seems nice for my fury but I know the myth chest is giga good for me.
strong forum
puzzlebox also huge for arms
grim pilot
in general your route could use some change to use as little hunters as u can but some stuff will just work better in higher keys
waxen frigate
<a:nodders:1203465365091389460>
I’ll pick up some nice bread and fresh basil this weekend and do them up like in the pic on there
violet ginkgo
@strong forum But my chest track is only normal, I guess I'll just take chest instead? hope for the puzzle for another time.
grim pilot
but for 15 looks good
waxen frigate
But less on the tomatoes I don’t like the texture
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> But my chest track is only normal, I guess I'll just take ...
yes
near walrus
the choice for the next bullion is open, i got fyrakk trinket in the vault and im running ruby so i think i will get the other ring
strong forum
you wanna pick armor > trinkets generally
especially cuz there are so many good trinkets this season
and bullions
violet ginkgo
Ah fuck... Afflicted?? after incorp week? 
strong forum
blazing condor
im cooked
jagged pier
blazing condor
got gifted game time by a friend
ive not stayed up to date on shit
i dont even wanna play
pallid quiver
just play mop remix
blazing condor
cata classic baby
south zealot
@grim pilot
pallid quiver
cata classic baby
prot war feels like shit in cata
south zealot
12/13 is chain when flares are dead
vocal flame
ewwwww cata that was bad the frist time around lol
jagged pier
cata classic baby
eurgh
pallid quiver
only good thing is heroic strike being an actual ability to press
I like wotlk prot war better
grim pilot
<@325173865175318529>
sec in a key
blazing condor
i feel like cata isnt gonna be all that
even with all the nostalgia
end game was kinda boring
just get valor/justice cap and do raids if u want
pallid quiver
It was fine; passable
tepid nest
first tier is pretty good, firelands is pretty good, dragonsoul is kinda shit
pallid quiver
WoW's had worse
blazing condor
fo sho
waxen frigate
just get valor/justice cap and do raids if u want
How is that worse than first 3 xpacs
🤔
blazing condor
not saying it is
jagged pier
imma spend my time on cata classic lvling every class so i can do CMs when mop classic comes out
blazing condor
pog
pallid quiver
It'd be neat if they used this time to like, put some of the content they wanted to put in, like the raid related to water boy and all
pallid quiver
imma spend my time on cata classic lvling every class so i can do CMs when mop c...
Real shit
The real way to handle Cata classic is to prep for MoP Classic
lusty grotto
prep for dn 
pallid quiver
so many people will get challenge mode stuff when it comes out
The me back then could do it
the me now definitely could
pallid quiver
shado pan portal stronk for failing to get elegon mount
jagged pier
but generally still be the minioty even tho in general they will be 'easier' just because of the game knowledge we have
pallid quiver
I think the thing that got most people was that you couldn't outgear the content; iirc it scaled your ilvl down to whatever it was
pallid quiver
i waslike 9 do you guys think i couldve done challenge modes
i dunno, could you interrupt casts/press defensives/actually pull multiple packs at once?
That's about the gist of what it required iirc
south zealot
i think i had kick taken off my bars bc when i sued it when questing i thought it did no damage nad was useless
strong forum
or speedrun gold in sub 5min runs
south zealot
so..
jagged pier
literally CMs in mop is on how much vengance your tank can stack
strong forum
when the gold timer was like 12min or smth
pallid quiver
literally CMs in mop is on how much vengance your tank can stack
vengeance stronk
strong forum
some even solod CMs
jagged pier
yep
dusky canopy
Then he became washed up, a man of the yogurt...
A man of the fish taste
strong forum
like CMs got TURBO cheesed
jagged pier
vengeance stronk
and we get the nerfed version as its final patch
dusky canopy
where fish review?
Jakey on top of it
jagged pier
always
pallid quiver
It was still strong in final patch, iirc, just not
mondo cracked
jagged pier
yer but cracked was where the content was at
strong forum
even turbo nerfed vengeance is OP
also the gem where 20% of your absorbs get consumed into dmg
IP turns into mega dmg button
toxic pewter
the worst part of fomo is when you actually played the game at the time things were available but didnt get them
pallid quiver
The most important thing was to see Garrosh wheeling up his big ol' axe, telling ya he's gonna hit ya, ya better move,
then you just stand in it
go "bet"
lusty grotto
true and real lmao
pallid quiver
my goal in that fight was literally to find every mechanic i could possibly stand in without spooking the raid into dying
and that's why vengeance should come back 🙂
jagged pier
Ppl would be up in arms if it did
Because tanks would be unkillable and top damage
Dps would cry
rigid hull
why is dreadplates so high on damage in sims?
pallid quiver
and it'd be super degenerate, because people would do their absolute best to figure out how much they could get away with intentionally doing wrong
pallid quiver
why is dreadplates so high on damage in sims?
Gives strength and has a damage component;
jagged pier
why is dreadplates so high on damage in sims?
Because ot slaps
south zealot
why is dreadplates so high on damage in sims?
because its good
rigid hull
💀
pallid quiver
It's actually pretty good for damage, especially in aoe
strong forum
because it does high damage
south zealot
idk what you mean it just does high damage
rigid hull
a friend is telling me
south zealot
it used to be bad because the plates wouldnt break
rigid hull
u have to pull really big for it to do big dam
strong forum
no
pallid quiver
no
strong forum
its hard capped to 5 targets
it cannot hit more than 5 targets, but it hits those targets REALLY FUCKING HARD
pallid quiver
It gives strength, too, outside of that even
strong forum
its 3mil dmg per on use
pallid quiver
so shield slam will hit harder
strong forum
if you hit 5 targets each time
rigid hull
GODDAYUUM
south zealot
yeah it hits each target at like 800k total
for all of the lines
depending on crit ofc
rigid hull
fuck man my desicion was final on anvil 💀
dreadplate seems too juicy
defensive besides good dam
jagged pier
fuck man my desicion was final on anvil 💀
i mean anvil also does a tone of damage if u keep the stacks up
rigid hull
i mean anvil also does a tone of damage if u keep the stacks up
ye but what if im doing like key 13-14
the defense is more usefull?
pallid quiver
nah, still not taking notable damage
jagged pier
sure
if u dont feel safe
or feel like u need it
but why not run anvil and enduring
pallid quiver
I grabbed dreadplates first because I wanted a new trinket to play with
pallid quiver
You should get a new craft this week
vocal flame
its 3mil dmg per on use
are you pretty much using it on every cooldown or only when needed?
pallid quiver
If you're behind, you should get catchup soup cubes
strong forum
you use it on CD
vocal flame
ok cool
strong forum
unless you have a specific point you wanna use it for
just like every other tank trinket
use it on CD unless you need it for something specific
strong forum
the defense is more usefull?
just play anvil+dreadplate
fixed
its pretty hard to die as tank this season
or last season
pallid quiver
pretty easy, actually, just turn your back 🙂
jagged pier
use it on CD unless you need it for something specific
what you mean your favourite tank holds his trinket and barely uses it 
and hes higher io 
lusty grotto
not the first time he asks
strong forum
and youre planning for post-reset
jagged pier
jagged pier
where tabard from btw?
strong forum
((i wont play my warrior on afflicted week fuck that))
hushed cobalt
Nice anklets
strong forum
where tabard from btw?
tradepost
strong forum
no
radiant mortar
you need a draenai on 70 for the red skin right?
strong forum
yeah white should be up soontm
waxen frigate
yeah white should be up soontm
We already have it
jagged pier
We get new plain tabards every month for a few now
yer but im yoinking that tmog
waxen frigate
From a few months ago
rigid hull
they are both juicy in their own way i cant settle on one @lusty grotto
waxen frigate
I doubt we get it again before some others
near walrus
would you guys run Fyrakk and enduring dreadplate ?
strong forum
the sins of our youth
rigid hull
could be running both rn
strong forum
radiant mortar
I will go signet and treemoth trinket
near walrus
i don't know what to buy with my bullion since i have weapon, ring, fyrakk trinket
radiant mortar
dps trinket?
near walrus
i have rumnbling ruby
strong forum
yeah nah
anvil/dreadplates shits on ruby
ruby is random dmg
anvil and dreadplates arent
lusty grotto
(:
smoky pollen
I hate anvil for no apparent reason - signet and dreadplates should also be fine yeah?
near walrus
anvil does AOE or ST damage ?
strong forum
signets splash dmg is laughable
lusty grotto
both do
near walrus
tough choice haha
lusty grotto
right
strong forum
with its on-use
south zealot
bloodbourne go brr