thats the last real bullion item you buy
#protection
south zealot
torn gulch
there is a problem with using both eranog and diurna rings
you lose an enormous amount of haste
south zealot
yes, but you can get haste in all your other spots
torn gulch
even with that you have like 6k at most
south zealot
and since its the last item you buy, you should be able to get main haste on every other item
left trout
With our current stat budget will that actually drop you below ITF levels tho
lusty grotto
probably not
torn gulch
tier gear has very low haste
lusty grotto
thats an unneeded correction, it was implied the other ring was being talked about as well
median tulip
you lose an enormous amount of haste
This is very true. Especially with Necks with good haste being rare as rocking horse shit this season.
left trout
Is the only haste neck the one from ulda?
lusty grotto
from keys? yes
median tulip
I have the neck from HC Nymue, which is little Haste but big crit
torn gulch
i have crafted neck because i have the food embelishment on it
and it has only 1051 haste
lusty grotto
but theres only a handful of guilds that will reclear myth dathea
median tulip
Very likely to end up using Lariat and regemming for Haste procs TBQH
median tulip
i have crafted neck because i have the food embelishment on it
I put my AFP on a ring
lusty grotto
wish they had added dathea's neck for bullions honestly
median tulip
pretty easily
It's a lot less easy than it was in season 3
lusty grotto
and/or filial
south zealot
volcoross neck is almost completely useless
lusty grotto
absolutely
south zealot
u just wont have swag factor
lusty grotto
even if its myth buyable, its so worthless
plus its such a waste for a bullion since volc myth is fucking free
for pugs, for anyone
im probably recrafting torc and slapping alchemical in it
median tulip
I'd rather just make a lariat, NGL
south zealot
im probably recrafting torc and slapping alchemical in it
same unless i get uldaman in vault
lusty grotto
yeah
median tulip
At least AFPs are down to a non-insane price
median tulip
I've got 3 alts just logged out in the tuskarr village
lusty grotto
yea
easy to just log, do the quest, log out, log on next, you can clear 5 alts in just one soup
torn gulch
because feast have a significant traffic now
median tulip
Yes Chef!
south zealot
the games bad
novel creek
never happend in previous season
south zealot
happened to me in a halls earlier
had reflect up for a full second before i got hit and it still didnt work
on third boss
torn gulch
i was in a NO during first pull then the game crashed for the entire group and when we logged back in we were at start within a yellowish bubble with no timer no nothing and the key was a level lower
what a way to brick the key
lusty grotto
never happend in previous season
server ticks did happen on previous seasons
just reflect early
or you risk a server tick
lusty grotto
it happened in WCM S3, it happened in NL S2, it happened in AV/Nok/TJS S1 on minions of doubt
it happened in SL
it happened in BFA
thats just how wow's networking is
early in the cast
if you pre reflect on 5s remaining that means that the next cast, could be late
vocal flame
anyone else getting DCd as soon as you attempt a boss in either a key or LFR?
ok comments on the forums confirm. Be careful if you are doing keys
key will get depleted on a boss encounter, not sure if this just started or not
toxic pewter
anyone else getting DCd as soon as you attempt a boss in either a key or LFR?
I dc'd 3 times earlier when doing a dungeon for transmog
lusty grotto
anyone else getting DCd as soon as you attempt a boss in either a key or LFR?
i just got dcd on raid
so idk
vocal flame
yeah its everywhere
lusty grotto
oh we just crashed again
vocal flame
every boss across all expacs on boss encounters its crazy
lusty grotto
hmm not looking forward to raid tonight i guess
yup we've tried gnarlroot 3 times
all 3, entire raid dcs
literally on pull
vocal flame
yup
watch them take a day to fix this lol
happening in raid, dungs everywhere. not cool
lusty grotto
also removing flasks
it just started happening right now
cause i was doing keys until like an hour ago and it was fine
vocal flame
yeah i think it just started as well
lusty grotto
4th pull
frozen lion
for survivability, rageheart + treemouth?
lusty grotto
dc dc
novel creek
for survivability, rageheart + treemouth?
proc trinket
frozen lion
which one?
novel creek
doti hardmode
lusty grotto
i mean if you like using double use
thats fine? i guess? i wouldnt fucking touch that with a 12 foot pole
thats just defensive overkill
honestly if youre going double on use
tired surge
hello, does having 2x shadowflame instead of x1 make it proc more often or hit harder?
lusty grotto
you would be better off with treemouth + dreadplates - at least you get some fun giga damage out of dreadplates
it increases the damage
yes
not proc more often
tired surge
ty
rigid hull
guys which dps trinekt do u think i should get
my goal is dealing the highest damage in like
key 8
or 10
im not going too high
so far the signet brand looks fit ?
lusty grotto
all your attacks
you keep using it and stack to 5 for max damage
it maintains stacks so long as youre in combat
and you can use it just before mobs/bosses die to have 1 min before it runs out so you can just get in combat again to keep stacks
signet works the same way except you dont have to use it
its automatic
while in combat
weary saddle
is BSV still bugged
vocal flame
so my logs say unknown zone and wont show the entire thing just boss fights. can i still use that to share with you guys?
not sure why its saying that
lusty grotto
mine are doing that in AV
just click include trash
its messy so looking up stuff is kinda scuffed
anyway are instances fixed?
keen leaf
it's prio 2 because every class in the game will roll on it IF it drops
vocal flame
yeah instances are good
you mean that nim?
or is there an option somewhere
oh yeah i see how its messy its including all the runs
vague otter
Hey guys and gals. Quick qustion about Augury. this is LFR Awakened trinket and it seems to be performing extremly well. Now im only doing a +4 here and my ilvl is quiet low so im guessing scaling my str/ilvl will push it further down the damage meters but that seems to be doing REALLY well?
lusty grotto
its good, its just not as good as others
its not as good as signet/anvil/manic torch/etc
its also extremely rng
also your skill usage is
weirdly wrong
SS should be at the top
not tclap
what dungeon was this
lusty grotto
Hey guys and gals. Quick qustion about Augury. this is LFR Awakened trinket and ...
see above
oh i see, its HoI
yeah..... youre not pressing your buttons correctly
SS > TC >>>> Revenge
idle quartz
Augury isn’t over-performing, your other spells are underperforming
lusty grotto
100%
vague otter
It's my first day on prot warrior lol.
lusty grotto
well, good tips to pick up 🙂
idle quartz
Welcome to the club (:
vocal flame
is this dreadplates?
lusty grotto
yes
vague otter
Ss should be top? In terms of usage or damage?
vocal flame
ahh ok cool
idle quartz
Use that shield slam like you’re playing whack-a-mole
Be ready for it as soon as it pops up
vague otter
Is that because it's our best source of rage?
idle quartz
It’s also your best source of damage
vague otter
And I think it adds 1 second to Shield block?
Is there a mob count where TC takes over?
vague otter
Really? I see
idle quartz
You rotate Shield Slam and Thunder Clap, and squeeze in Revenge or Ignore pain depending if you want Threat and Damage, or to cap off your absorb shield. I usually just try and keep Ignore Pain capped though.
Usually the rule is Revenge, and only use Ignore Pain if you’re close to capping on Rage, but I think we spam more IP with the current tier set, could be wrong
vague otter
I've been basically spamming IP and ignoring revenge until the end-ish of the pack, so that's a fix I can do
pallid quiver
Is there a mob count where TC takes over?
Technically, for a minor gain in damage, in mega bungo pulls, you can prio violent outburst on TC; that's the only time ever, and it'd not worth thinking about unless specifically parsing
left trout
Getting a revenge off early in the pull is decently important for applying your deep wounds to multiple targets. Usually for me it's the free one from shield charge
marble lagoon
What would you guys say crit cap is?
Mainly because im sitting at like 37% vers and 35% haste but only 15% crit.
marble lagoon
Yeah im just curious how much crit i should be at
marble lagoon
Isnt it Haste > Vers > Crit?
marble lagoon
gotcha crit >= vers
humble schooner
just imagine you are gearing Arms, Haste Crit all the way lol
well, vers is good too
lusty grotto
its good, its just crit has much more to go for it
well
slightly more i should say
all our stats are good
theres zero shit stats for warrior, just some are slightly better than others
with haste being the only outlier, since we need a good amount of it
humble schooner
I do wish mastery was better, or at least more heavily stat weighted, crit blocks can be crazy sometimes
strong forum
mastery is just a horrible stat for tank damage, it do be like that
lusty grotto
3 uldamans straight
tanks pull 1 pack at a time
wipe at talondrus every time
i guess ill give up on getting ulda io with chipadin
pallid quiver
At least you saw Talondrus
I rocked for a group as tank that couldn't get past Bromach in a +4 in any timeable manner
To be fair, I was the damage
literally
lusty grotto
yeah idk
uldamans have been
insanely bad i dont think i can even described how bad these groups have been
last one had a priest tell me to brez while brez was on cd for 8m
and because of 1 pack pulling we absolutely were not gonna time by the time we were in talondras
shut summit
the dungeon itself is just super unforgiving, hated it in the last season it was here, hate it now
pallid quiver
It's extremely forgiving on a +4
i don't even bother like, ranging chomps or anything
violet ginkgo
and because of 1 pack pulling we absolutely were not gonna time by the time we w...
Teach me about talondras, this one I still confused, I must stun Talondras before 100 energy?
torn gulch
the way i do it is i remove the 2 orbs of him as fast as possible then wait until he casts the aoe to stun him
so i save healer resources and defensives for the entire party
pallid quiver
Teach me about talondras, this one I still confused, I must stun Talondras befor...
Overall, the ultimate thing is that he needs to be hit with stuns 3 times before titanic empowerment gets cast
pallid quiver
Every time he gets stunned, boss gets a stacking 5% damage increase
strong forum
capped at 5 stacks*
pallid quiver
^^^
If titanic empowerment's cast goes off, your party should, in theory, get murdered
strong forum
luckily any stun works
so, our shield charge will naturally widdle away a few stacks here and there
pallid quiver
Talon also can move while casting empowerment, so you can still run over an orb if you need to during the cast
Also, that above
lusty grotto
basically
you have to stun him when hes about to hit 100% energy
dont do it before
UNLESS its an emergency and someone is low hp going into knockback
when you stun him, he gains a damage amp buff, so everything will hit harder
the more you stun him, the more stacks of the damage amp he gets
south zealot
uldaman? more like "man i dont wanna do ulda"
real
pallid quiver
i've been farming low key uldas for my wyrm crests for a chance at getting a crit haste neck
because i still have like a 46x neck
south zealot
u can make a whelplings crest
and craft a blue item with it
for a 486 neck
if you want
pallid quiver
i still need the wyrms anyway for soup cube items
south zealot
whelpings are the crests from like
heroic dungeons
and lfr iirc
dont need spark
pallid quiver
the wyrms are the goal
it's just if i get a neck from there, neat, i don't need to do that
2-5s are utterly trivial, so i'm not even remotely fussed over the neck being that low
I mean pugs are livid over my ilvl being lower, but i just push my own key when doing content i consider relevant, so
violet ginkgo
you have to stun him when hes about to hit 100% energy
ok so 1-2 then wait until near 100 and stun, basically similar to chargath where 1-2 chain then wait a bit before 3rd.
pallid quiver
ok so 1-2 then wait until near 100 and stun, basically similar to chargath where...
Shield Charge also has a stun component to it, as a reminder, so you'll need to like, actually count how many stuns you're hitting her with
south zealot
as a pror warrior im pretty sure you can just solo the bosses stuns
without any of the circles
kind of troll to do that but maybe possible
violet ginkgo
wait2 what that boss can be stunned manually? ok well my bad I never really pay attention to that
pallid quiver
Yeah, any stuns work
it's just the orbs also stun, so
So if you shield charge, 2 orbs will cause a stun
violet ginkgo
I usually assume that all boss immune to stun skill, I guess this is the exception
pallid quiver
The mechanic is specifically that the boss can be stunned, and has a buff that makes them immune 2 stun attempts
hence why you need to stun 3 times
violet ginkgo
so technically I can 2 orb him then wait a bit till almost 100 and stormbolt/shield charge it and done? he got no titanic?
south zealot
yeah
south zealot
u guys are gonna make me buy it
grim pilot
wanna gear up my havoc
south zealot
signet brand in the gutter
strong forum
its 489 signet
and it dropped 4 times
cuz i cba'd tryharding signet
in a +9
usually i can make it drop only once
south zealot
its 489 signet
ooo makes sense
violet ginkgo
anvil gg
flint tiger
does the prot boullion priority change if y ou only tank M+?
south zealot
not really
still want weapon ring and trinket
it just might change what trinkets you buy
flint tiger
is it better to get the fyrakk trinket first if you almost never ge to raid anything outside of LFR?
toxic pewter
If I only did m+ I would perhaps get an all totem with bullion personally enjoy its not active trinket
strong forum
for m+ id want anvil + dreadplates at this point
anvil is so turbo easy to maintain
and so MUCH prio damage
flint tiger
so don't go weapon/ring as first two?
strong forum
no absolutely gholak first
after that it depends on your gear what you already obtained
i bought anvil cuz its good for arms aswell
toxic pewter
Anvil does seem to do so much dam hard to pass up
flint tiger
what about the current leaderboard prot tanks rocking the M+ weapon?
toxic pewter
Lol
strong forum
dunno
flint tiger
i guess said another way, how much of a difference does gholak make vs. M+
because I know i can eventually get the weapon from Gorek
strong forum
gholak wins over any other weapon by a landslide
flint tiger
but i'll never get any mythic raid gear outside of RNGesus smiling on me
strong forum
its absolutely the most important weapon
like it wins vs the 2nd best weapon
by like 8k dps
💀
flint tiger
8k ST or through the dungeon?
south zealot
but i'll never get any mythic raid gear outside of RNGesus smiling on me
so buy it
wdym
strong forum
both
south zealot
u can just do lfr
south zealot
8k ST or through the dungeon?
my 512 ilvl weapon did 7k overall damage in my last key
grim pilot
you'd have to have a weapon that's insanely bonkers in aoe to pick over gholak
south zealot
and does like 7k in st aas well naturally
flint tiger
hmm ok, i jsut saw a lot of tanks running Forgestorm
I assume they're DPS mains in raids, so that's why they spent on other stuff
south zealot
thats because it 'looks' better on meters bc it usually does a higher % of your damage
strong forum
or strike twice
flint tiger
oh shit, i didn't realize it lost main stat
toxic pewter
Losing stats suk ass
south zealot
while it can appear to be better
flint tiger
i only have time for dungeons
ALL IN ON THE TANK DREAM
appreciate the feedback fam
upgrade priority is still weapon #1 then trinkets right?
strong forum
yea
flint tiger
is the 4pc substantial for us, or is it better to break down to 2pc for higher ilvl?
strong forum
sim tbh
flint tiger
Do people drop blood surge for aoe interrupt and enduring alacrity? I was already not using battering ram
south zealot
run either of these two pages
swapping bloodsurge for disrupting shout if you want
urban portal
Bruh you can hibernate your own pet?
south zealot
@grim pilot that felblade was kinda nutty
lusty grotto
@grim pilot hi how are u cutie
south zealot
nyet
rigid hull
are there any alternative emblishments?
lusty grotto
no
rigid hull
kk
tired magnet
hello is grieftorch is viable for bullion choice or am i just going to get whacked while channeling
south zealot
its viable but you also will get whacked while channeling
so need to pop a shockwave or something
mostly a raid trinket, i personally would use others in m+
but its a viable option
south zealot
just a lot more risk
it does good damage but there are other damage options that have less risk
tired magnet
Oh ok - prolly augury or all totem?
tired magnet
oh dmg
south zealot
anvil or dreadplates
tired magnet
Kooolio thanks
south zealot
i dont know i havent seen any logs of people using it in keys
and using it well
but id say probably not
lusty grotto
signet is good
anvil sims a bit higher
but signet is good
its just that people havent bullioned it
and this week was our first amirdrassil so
south zealot
noob
lusty grotto
#protection message YOU DID
wtf
@rigid hull are you gonna ask again later on or?
read the anvil and signet tooltips
why do you keep asking about revenge
lusty grotto
when Shield Slam is the most important
lusty grotto
i have adhd
ok but why do you keep asking about revenge
rigid hull
just mentioning "all spells"
lusty grotto
🤷
stoic smelt
is tehre a proper way to go into a pull in M+? I usually charge--->shield block--->shield slam-->thunderclap then start losing aggro during that
strong forum
Always open with thunderclap
And your cooldowns
On the wowhead rotation guide you can find an opener and rotation explanation
If you want a more visual presentation you can check out sense, plka or myself out on YouTube
stoic smelt
thanks fam
glass sequoia
What plater profile do you guys use?
I gave Jundies plater profile a shot, but it was conflicting with the M+ Automarker WA
nvm, reinstalled the plater profile and now it seemingly works
tardy sequoia
idle quartz
What do you guys think of RLP? I’ve been having a lot of issues with pick up groups going in there. Specifically the second area, the big circle. I think it’s a leisurely breeze through the park, but my DPS dies on repeat no matter how well they did before.
I don’t DPS so it’s hard for me to gauge the struggles of my players sometimes
All I see is Cinderbolts going out and destroying people, and Flame Dances not being CCd, and I’m starting to become frustrated with people lol
mellow dagger
it is easy on the tank and hard on the dps
but they need to take steps to make it easier on themselves
and they don't
I just had a mage tell me incorp isn’t his job
3k rated
torn gulch
insta leave key and note on the mage
jagged pier
Tru dps dont have jobs but to damage
They dont inturpt they dont defensive
They dont cc
Thats all healer or vdh jobs
jagged pier
median tulip
All I see is Cinderbolts going out and destroying people, and Flame Dances not b...
The dragons are nasty for us, but everything else is easy. You're reliant on the DPS doing the knock up mechanic properly though, and we all know how bad DPS can be
jagged pier
The amount of times ive had to intuprt sotem bolt or fear the incorps makes me sad
mellow dagger
tmog is easy, just keep her naked like the rest of the dh
yeah i've been doing the same thing. wtv, part of the pug life
topaz field
The amount of times ive had to intuprt sotem bolt or fear the incorps makes me s...
if i was a game designer it would come to my mind its toxic to design an affix few classes cannot deal with and some classes can literally solo it
i agree with the mage that it shoudlnt be his job to do all incorps tbh
mellow dagger
When 2 inc come up and he doesn’t sheep one and hoping the other pugs are gonna do it is ignorant
willow moss
how do u get the spell reflect damaged to pop in /say
weary saddle
how do u get the spell reflect damaged to pop in /say
its a weakaura
willow moss
ty
frozen lion
All I see is Cinderbolts going out and destroying people, and Flame Dances not b...
people have been playing with VDH for too long, noone kicks anymore
topaz field
the problem is not the lack of interrupt but the lack of purge
they machine gun fire cast if not purged
vocal flame
people have been playing with VDH for too long, noone kicks anymore
VDH have an aoe kick or stun with no cooldown or something?
frozen lion
VDH have an aoe kick or stun with no cooldown or something?
no but they can purge
did u not know?
waxen frigate
VDH have an aoe kick or stun with no cooldown or something?
No but they have 7 of them
frozen lion
and as for ''kicks'', they have something called sigils
vocal flame
did u not know?
No I only play 2 toons lol
vocal flame
My job and life are very complicated so I enjoy simplicity in wow
It’s my getaway so why would I want it to be complex?
steep horizon
My job and life are very complicated so I enjoy simplicity in wow
I agree with this sentiment I don't know where people find the time to have all these alts I can barely keep up on main
frozen lion
to be fair in s4, its alot simpler
lavish copper
What do you guys think is the average cooldown of shield wall in m+?
frozen lion
i main rogue, but rogue is in a shit place so ive been playing prot warrior for like 2 days
melee in general is in a shit place to be fair
blizzard hates it
steep horizon
I did all my alts way back in cata/mop back when I had more time
leaden shard
What do you guys think is the average cooldown of shield wall in m+?
On chargath or whatever 2nd boss nelth is I have around 72 sec cd, probably could be better with more ss resets from auto attacks
steep horizon
Now I just check details to see what's pumpin
lavish copper
On chargath or whatever 2nd boss nelth is I have around 72 sec cd, probably coul...
Cool, learning prot as an offspec and I'm just thinking about cd usage in keys. Noticed i could be way more liberal with def cds
Don't use them nearly enough
vocal flame
I did all my alts way back in cata/mop back when I had more time
I see that. I’ve only played prot war because IMO all other tanks blow. I don’t care what the meta is. Prot war is the best and the most fun.
steep horizon
I haven't prot in a while but I wanna get into mythic + so I'm learnin
leaden shard
Cool, learning prot as an offspec and I'm just thinking about cd usage in keys. ...
Definitely can overuse some, even if a bolstered mini boss is hitting you, you can decide 50%+ of their damage is gone through block/spellblock
lavish copper
Yeah, my buddy is a healer so I've also learned through him it's never a bad idea to use a decent defensive when gathering mobs
The healer noises are real
leaden shard
Gathering with zero rage is pretty much the weakest time i have outside of last week where i had 5x bolstered bleeds at the beginning of uldaman
lavish copper
Gathering with zero rage is pretty much the weakest time i have outside of last ...
That shit is what made me quit using prot in season2 fuck uldaman
leaden shard
That shit is what made me quit using prot in season2 fuck uldaman
lmao it was fun trying an 11 last night, being able to pull 3 packs and be fine felt a lot better than 1 bleed ticking for your entire IP bar
quiet ferry
Gholak, embellishments, head enchant
toxic pewter
Why is Seal of D good on war ?
its good on anyone, free dam
mellow dagger
Proc off brand too?
mint shadow
what's a good uptime for ignore pain/shield block taking into account out of combat, etc?
pallid quiver
what's a good uptime for ignore pain/shield block taking into account out of com...
The only block uptime that matters is when melee attacks are coming at you, and whether you're actually blocking them, which can only be checked properly in logs.
On top of that, IP uptime depends entirely on damage profile you're looking at, and is not a worthwhile statistic to make note of whatsoever.
mint shadow
Ok, fair answer, thanks.
rapid jewel
SB still is not hard to get to 100% and also it increases your damage if I am not mistaken.
pallid quiver
You can get a better idea of your IP uses by tracking number of casts and casts per minute, which is also visible in logs
pallid quiver
SB still is not hard to get to 100% and also it increases your damage if I am no...
SB increases SS damage while it's up, yes
steep horizon
When using ignore pain on arms I have it macrod to overpower to use on CD (cuz I mainly pvp) does prot do something similar?
pallid quiver
The only real macro-able way to macro IP doesn't save a keybind, but is in pins
You replace your normal IP keybind with one that also attempts to cast Shield Slam after in an attempt to catch Shield Slam resets that you can't react to
steep horizon
Guess it's on GCD for prot?
rapid jewel
no
pallid quiver
It's off GCD, but you can rage starve yourself in Prot
steep horizon
Oooo
pallid quiver
unlike arms, where you literally cannot find ways to spend all your rage outside of execute
steep horizon
Awesome I'll check the pin thanks 🙏
dire anvil
Hey guys, how is pwar applying fire damage this season?
dire anvil
cool, thanks
vestal edge
where can i ask prot sod questions
mellow dagger
where can i ask prot sod questions
Fight club discord I think. It’s the classic warriors discord
ashen fable
Do we still have SS resets from sunder armor, err, devastator/revenge
What are optimal uptimes for Shield Wall, Last Stand and Spell Block? Or do you save them for oh shit moments?
south zealot
What are optimal uptimes for Shield Wall, Last Stand and Spell Block? Or do you ...
whatever makes you live
shield wall is like a 1 minute cd though because of all the reductions
shut summit
yep, infuriating
toxic pewter
maybe they will fix it in war within
steep horizon
It's gotta be a server to client issue right?
Like their servers are saying it hit u while ur PC is saying u reflect
Or am I off base
strong forum
Bug
forest jay
hi all, might be an off topic but anyone know why when I did normal and heroic raid on my new alt I didnt get any sparks ?
new alt is a warr XD
undone beacon
Which flight do we pledge to in AA?
rapid jewel
I usually take haste
south zealot
yeah haste
strong forum
Haste, aka bronze
kind urchin
I usually take vers because I'm at 50% haste. Otherwise I'd also take haste.
strong forum
And I'm at 70% haste fully buffed
But the haste is still your best friend
Cuz it's not DR or flat haste rating, it's a %multiplier
So if you have 50% haste, you don't get +5% or +4% haste, you get closer to 7.5%
Cuz 50% haste means 150% total action speed, 0% haste is 100% action speed
gritty tartan
whats the go to spell reflect aaura ? for M+ focus, do we have one ?
south zealot
kinda griefed the trinket
violet ginkgo
And I'm at 70% haste fully buffed
poggies 70% so gg, how much is the CD for shield block at that 70%?
pearl iris
Hello are there any talents u switchout depending on the dungeon? new to prot warrior curious if we always run the default icyveins m+ build
jagged pier
Nope same talent tree
left basalt
Anyone using Enduring Dreadplate? Thinking about my next Bullion spend.
south zealot
Anyone using Enduring Dreadplate? Thinking about my next Bullion spend.
yeah
violet ginkgo
I think Mwahi use it, I haven't heard about Nome's or Jakey's plan.
oh choco also use it? cool
south zealot
kinda griefed the trinket
its ray of anguish here
this was a bad run i messed up some of my casts
left basalt
I think Mwahi use it, I haven't heard about Nome's or Jakey's plan.
It seems very good for both Prot and Fury in M+ according to bloodmallet all the sudden?
south zealot
yes its good
crystal iris
can someone link a spell reflect weak aura that actually works?
i found ones that say reflecting, and some that say what you reflected, but never one that both worked
south zealot
get a macro to say reflecting
jagged pier
I use an lfr enduring
Because its busted
Pres that thing on cd
Does th same damage as 522 signet or anvil
U also should have a weakaura for that just have a /s or /y when u press it.
violet ginkgo
what did you say with that auto? XD
jagged pier
If you want somehing to tell you when to sr there isnt one because the ones that are made just tell you when are are target led by something you can reflect not if u should
Sometimes you and sr something but you really want to sr the next thing
south zealot
kinda griefed the trinket
this was much better and where i usually sit at
around 16k overall dps for enduring dreadplates
is what ive been getting
wind hare
Is there a good M+ reflect WA? I cant find anything in pins
left basalt
yeah im gonna run augury/plate and call it good for both prot/fury
for bullion trinkets
wind hare
ty
undone beacon
I ran a quick st sim and it says broodkeeper ring is a dps loss, sadge
crisp ocean
Is prot tank strong in m+?
undone beacon
Is prot tank strong in m+?
Yes
crisp ocean
Okok nice ty
south zealot
I ran a quick st sim and it says broodkeeper ring is a dps loss, sadge
link it
south zealot
just need to budget your stats differently
also yeah my bad i totally thought u meant eranog ring
i was like how is that possibly a dps loss
undone beacon
haha fair
I need more crit on my other pieces I guess
Help balance out the lost crit from the stormrage signet
I'll ake it anyways since in reality that stormrage ring is only 1/6 Hero rn and I want the big ilvl and absorb
south zealot
yeah since its the highest ilvl ring option
it shouldnt be a loss
if u have no mastery on other gear besides tier pieces
even though mastery kinda sucks, it shouldnt be a loss i dont think
undone beacon
Cloak, shoulders, and neck all have mastery so idk
i dont have an overhwleming amount lol
unborn wagon
Got a 506 inecxorable resonator, wowhead says it's meh but it also lists the stamina one, have a chromatic essence
south zealot
its till bad even with mainstat
drifting surge
A triumphant roar echoes from atop the Seat of the Aspects as Nasz’uro, the Unbound Legacy, is formed.
south zealot
used to have stamina, now it has mainstat
unborn wagon
ty!
dense shell
Question
Why the damage of Seal's of Diurna damage does not appear in details on M+ , but at the 5 training dummies show ?
any idea?
tall socket
I main arms and will be chasing a voice of the silent star SOONER OR LATER, but i know the lack of stam can be damning. should i hold on to a spare cloak SPECIFICALLY for tanking? or can i just roll with sark cloak? i only tank usually for keys since it's easier to get into keys as a tank (and i'm quite good at it i think. i tanked for all of s3 before i got the axe)
toxic pewter
judt got mythic shield and pants off first boss lol
south zealot
treemouth and dreadplates are the best
ionic nimbus
playing treemouth and dreadplates atm and it feels very good
waxen orbit
A tale as old as time
idle quartz
horrible
I’m at the point where I don’t wanna do RLP because no one will do anything to keep themselves alive
waxen orbit
In other news I just slammed a 7 RLP for crests with MDI route and 3 chested it despite the warlock doing 50k less dps than me xd
idle quartz
In other news I just slammed a 7 RLP for crests with MDI route and 3 chested it ...
Feel like i have never seen a good warlock.
waxen orbit
The good warlocks are all at the top
idle quartz
I have a family member who plays one, and I love them but… they are awful lol.
waxen orbit
The rest of the warlocks are just P!ATD fans who play for the aesthetic
idle quartz
mine is a classic fanboy who clings to that one-button rotation playstyle. Won’t kick or CC because ‘muh dps’
waxen orbit
I never get people like that because
I'll usually be top CC done and top interrupt done at the end of the dungeon
While doing ridiculously high damage
as a tank
idle quartz
Meanwhile… I’m beating him on DPS every dungeon lol
waxen orbit
having to route and focus on what to pull in the moment
while also having to play defensively
They don't have excuses
I'm literally autistic I hyperfixate and am not able to focus on multiple things at once and still outplay mfs xd
idle quartz
I just accept that all of this makes me a better player
I hear that FF has most addons banned. Sometimes I wish something could be done about DPS meters because I know that’s why a lot of pug DPS die
Sometimes some of the things I watch DPS is not only shameful, it’s truly baffling. Please tell me how you managed to eat Irideus’ frontal..
hardy snow
I hear that FF has most addons banned. Sometimes I wish something could be done ...
that wouldn't change much in this matter
regal yarrow
I'm way more likely to die trying to DPS as prot than I am as any DPS spec anyways.
frosty mango
I hear that FF has most addons banned. Sometimes I wish something could be done ...
Dps die because they’re doing something they shouldn’t (largely). Removing dps meters wouldn’t matter. Those types of people would find something else to look at
Like a dps meter
Aka the ff model lol
Ff has a bunch of addons they just aren’t a part of the “game”. Players always find a way
pallid quiver
mine is a classic fanboy who clings to that one-button rotation playstyle. Won’t...
warlock, has a pet that kicks so it's not even a dps loss
dull frost
If I get Fyrakk trinket, it’ll synergise well with Eranog’s ring yeah?
Then I don’t have to craft shadow flame anymore
waxen orbit
294k
median tulip
1 sig fig is not suffoicient
lapis jetty
is this still so bad its not even worth equipping or is it atleast useable
lusty grotto
its garbage
waxen frigate
is this still so bad its not even worth equipping or is it atleast useable
its much better than it used to be
still trash
but not unusable
lusty grotto
right, its not something you wouldnt use if its an ilvl upgrade
lapis jetty
aight so if i get it i can use it till i get something worthwhile
lapis jetty
im just gearing my warrior to have and was just wondering if it was even worth setting my loot spec to prot for the chance at it, but since it has str ill do it
lapis jetty
aight bet
lapis jetty
aight tyty
sand pebble
am i aiming for this on my warr (ursine) cause it looks like it pumping on my bdk on normal fryakk
south zealot
its good but theres better options
last pebble
is there a way to see what and how much spell block blocked during a key?
lusty grotto
sure, if you know what youre looking for in logs
there's not a spell reflect metric like in details
last pebble
word okay, i swear spell block works on arcane cleave from second boss in AV
lusty grotto
yes
last pebble
oh word okay
lusty grotto
strong forum
Ursine vengeance is pretty good yes
violet ginkgo
guys question if I hit dummy now only damage 1-1-1, is this affected by some add on maybe?
the cleave dummy at the training room
south zealot
bugged
strong forum
All of the dummies, except the raid dummy, are level 1
Since last reset for some reason
The dummies in boralus and zandalar however are still level 70
violet ginkgo
Oh ok I thought it was my add or something if it is bugged then blizz fault
ionic nimbus
felt like i was cooking here
This trinket is pure fun
violet ginkgo
Now I have a question, I just got granyth trinket heroic track (startingg 506), I have treemoth normal track upgraded to 502. I stay on treemouth right?
south zealot
yes
waxen orbit
If I have to play with one more pissbaby tank
That complains about how they’re losing aggro
Because I’m doing 205k ST at 511 ilvl
And they’re doing 92k ST at 518
I’m legitimately going to have a goddamn stroke
I just want to get my weekly heroic clear in
NA players deserve to be exploded
3 tanks in a row like that
How do these people breathe or eat
violet ginkgo
isn't 92k is a bit too low? I mean depend on the fight for sure but if the fight is not include much movement from tank usually minimum 100k dps is easy
waxen orbit
Surely the rudimentary functions of life would prove too difficult for them if they cannot surpass the numbers I was doing in single target two seasons ago, right?
waxen orbit
isn't 92k is a bit too low? I mean depend on the fight for sure but if the fight...
I’d say 120-150k ST is easy
Past 510 ilvl
I just came back 2 days ago
“The other tank won’t watch their threat”
Am I playing classic? I could have sworn I clicked the right client when I launched the game
Good lord
waxen orbit
I would if the DPS players were doing enough damage to compensate
But they just don’t
I’ll admit I was mainly tilted there
LMAO
past locust
is the SL leggo with charge still in the game? like as a talent?
echo egret
I saw a +12 Tyrannical RLP video with a prot warrior, taking minimal damage on the Frigid Shards. I couldn’t find out by what magic.
pallid quiver
properly cycling defensives and timing them, from spell block, shield wall, and spell reflect baseline, most likely
She'll shoot them in timeframes of 3 into something else, iirc
And it's important to have something for a chillstorm and shard overlap
pallid quiver
drops to 70% while in perma d-stance
taking minimal damage
So we should talk about how defensive stance is literally a defensive cooldown and generally should be used as such, plus they're rocking rageheart
This war isn't actually playing particularly well; they're sitting on GCDs, for starters, and not sending some of their offensive CDs on CD
They are pretty much just rocking on spell reflect on CD, rageheart, and perma d-stance for most of it
Demo Shout occassionally
and i think shield wall once
If they had pressed spell block at all, they'd have been really chilling
also his play is justifying the shaman putting earth shield on him, smh
echo egret
My 1st week’s experience in there was that even in perma-def stance, I was getting hammered down real fast.
pallid quiver
I'm also wagering off their HP that they've done a lot of gear grinding
echo egret
I haven’t tried a +10 yet, so maybe I’ll have a pleasant surprise !
pallid quiver
Slight rng iirc, but like 3-ish mins, 4 mins for it to be worthwhile if I recall right
so if you can't keep it up in M+, it hurts a lot, and raid fights need to not explode to be useful
crystal iris
is the SL leggo with charge still in the game? like as a talent?
Sort of with shield charge
crystal iris
My 1st week’s experience in there was that even in perma-def stance, I was getti...
You shouldn’t be. Mash ignore pain as much as you need to to not hit 100 rage. You should almost always be at 100% HP especially if you’re in D stance, even in 10s
That’s how it was for me even with S3 shield
median tulip
The issue in higher keys mostly isn't the general melee damage; it's that the margins on surviving exceptional circumstances get very narrow
kind tree
What is haste cap needed for prot warriors? or is there none? as in just stack as much as you can?
pallid quiver
It starts becoming less valuable than other stats around like 40% before any buffs, which is like 7100 rating iirc, but it's not completely worthless past that. Especially with the abundance of stats in general on gear in S4, you're probably just best off simming everything
kind tree
Thank you 🙂
hoary spade
Is prot warrior S tier now after the buffs?
crystal iris
Is prot warrior S tier now after the buffs?
No, but it’s damn solid
grim pilot
it has same pros and cons it had before
damage is a bit higher
but u dont have the control or party utility like other tanks do
toxic pewter
current s tier tank https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/759564659714949213/1233207622052610128/rlp.gif?ex=66415998&is=66400818&hm=81f4bde11e4aeaa97088ce1fb9bdcd639c94f7d2ea7d17a5be9e82437c137ff9&
idle quartz
I love spell reflect so fucking much
crystal iris
SR and Spell block big on that fight
crystal iris
Is prot warrior S tier now after the buffs?
And shorter CD on interrupting shout is nice
But still needs a rework imo
vocal cave
with caster meta warrior will never be S tier
crystal iris
Is not taking blood surge a big rage loss in keys?
jagged pier
11-12%
crystal iris
Jeez that seems like a lot
Although I’m not exactly rage starved in M+ most of it goes to an already capped IP
I was dropping it to run interrupting about
Also what can I drop in order to take intervene?
vocal flame
https://youtu.be/9i7rDV0C39M?feature=shared
How do you get that spell reflect notification to pop up? That a WA?
echo egret
How do you get that spell reflect notification to pop up? That a WA?
It's not me playing but it's a common Weakaura called "Spell Reflect Essentials" on wago.
vocal flame
Ooo cool Ty!
echo egret
The usual issue is that you will "only" see if a spellreflectable spell is cast on you, not if it is advised to waste your SR on it.
vocal flame
Ah ok makes sense. I usually have it up a lot anyway with a lot of casters in the pull.
I always hear the noise if it going off haha
echo egret
RLP 1st boss again, how far do you have to be from the cold explosion ? Is the edge of the circle enough for "minimal" damage ?
drifting surge
Is treemouths splinter compareable to fyrakk trinket minus the damage?
radiant mortar
Any tipps for tanking the frog boss in HoI?
I have problems with getting him to eat the small frogs
drifting surge
Your group needs to help with kiting
First set is almost instant eat so you can shockwave
But you gotta delay for 2nd/3rd
Your group just needs to run around the boss, then when hes gonna eat, shockwave + spell reflect
Atleast thats what i do and i dont get the stacks 🙂
Other than that, literally just tank and spank dont die
- you do not need to stand in the green circle if frogs are in there but if none are then you stand there, sometimes it eats you sometimes not, very weird, i dunno if you need a certain amount of frogs to not be eaten but seems weird sometimes
radiant mortar
👍
crystal iris
I had a ta k kite the entire boss the second and third time
That way the frogs were slow and running to boss. By the time they arrived we stunned them and they got eaten
But he would run the boss across the whole room as soon as they spawned
drifting surge
Speaking of that, I think there is a cheese where you can get the frogs to focus you, Like the corridor before hand down the stairs if you are tanking that small frog pack solo before your group turns up they all focus you, so maybe he did that
But that would mean everyone has to run away, i dunno
crystal iris
Well we all ran after the boss
rigid hull
u guys have any logs/stats on prot head enchant?
sick sentinel
hey a question for dmg output gholak or forgestrom?
i remember runing forgestrom and it used to be like 4-6% of my dmg in like freehold. and like runing gohlak now in s3 havent bought the new one. old one is like 2-3%
plush tendon
Gholak is equip and never unequip
drifting surge
Gholaks has main stat so 🤷♂️
drifting surge
Haste proc more beneficial than main stat proc from what I remember
Sim knows all
I see people use shadowflame
olive steeple
Hey! Is there a good place for me to find tiny details about m+ tanking? Like which mobs have an ability that is spell reflectable or maybe intervene interacts with a certain mechanic
plush tendon
Hey! Is there a good place for me to find tiny details about m+ tanking? Like wh...
in the pins, theres a ongoing spreadsheet on reflectable and spell blockable spells
olive steeple
Thank you!
jagged pier
i remember runing forgestrom and it used to be like 4-6% of my dmg in like freeh...
One has strength so it increases all of your abilites damage the other doesmt
vocal flame
bite should be up higher right?
i also noticed that when the plates break it sends out these beams that sometimes miss the mobs 😦
at least thats what i think it is
violet ginkgo
but u dont have the control or party utility like other tanks do
sadly I don't think we will ever get this while we desperately need it 
south zealot
is the SL leggo with charge still in the game? like as a talent?
no, the only thing similar is shield charge giving shield block
but its usable in melee range
so its not really the same
south zealot
i also noticed that when the plates break it sends out these beams that sometime...
i think this is a visual bug but im not certain
south zealot
Is prot warrior S tier now after the buffs?
no because vdh is just clearly better
but it’s good
SL s4 vibes
south zealot
RLP 1st boss again, how far do you have to be from the cold explosion ? Is the e...
i’m almost certain it doesn’t matter at all
south zealot
Is treemouths splinter compareable to fyrakk trinket minus the damage?
it’s better defensively
rigid hull
When do u think i should stop adding haste to my gear @south zealot
south zealot
around 7100 haste with no buffs
it’s pretty hard to get there with your bullion rings when you get there
oblique pilot
i need help with talents, should i play with Bloodsurge or Enduring Alacrity? Im starting to do +12 keys, 58% with Into the Fray
south zealot
both
but if you are taking disrupting shout, take enduring alacrity instead of bloodsurge
oblique pilot
im playing with shout
south zealot
in all my keys this season there was 1 key i kind of wish i had it
but that couldve been solved by not having the worst group comp for interrupts ever
south zealot
can it be useful? yeah but i havent really needed it
rigid hull
Especially in aoe
south zealot
nokhud last boss is really the only place it has pretty clear value
rigid hull
Yeah true
south zealot
other dungeons, you can just spellblock casts going off repeatedly
wild sentinel
anyone got a quick prot dps opener
south zealot
yeah thats fine to do
violet ginkgo
anyone got a quick prot dps opener
as in for raid boss?
wild sentinel
sorry i mean for M+
violet ginkgo
well just charge in thunderclap, pop your shield block, always press shield slam. For opener if I have a lot of rage I usually revenge once to apply deepwound to some targets.
barren vale
I know it may not seem like much buts its a a lot for a lifetime prot warrior on a controller. I've learned a lot in this channel i don't post but i read a lot. Just saying a big Thank you for a great community.
drifting surge
Shield charge, clap, ravager, avatar, smash buttons go zug zug spell reflect go ham
south zealot
I know it may not seem like much buts its a a lot for a lifetime prot warrior on...
nice job man
barren vale
south zealot
anyone got a quick prot dps opener
its on wowhead
while youre gathering mobs feel free to thunderclap them to start getting threat
pallid quiver
anyone got a quick prot dps opener
Really, the main way to increase your DPS is to just pull bigger.
The best defensive rotation is also the best offensive rotation due to how tanks are designed nowadays
stable flower
How is prot warrior in comparison to prot paladin? I prefer the gameplay of warrior to paladin but both are fun. Aesthetically war>paladin
south zealot
all the tanks are like
basically the same besides vdh
if you like playing warrior play warrior over paladin
pearl epoch
any tips for staying alive on 2nd boss in rlp ? that boss is nuking me everytime. doing like 8s and 9s
grim pilot
for 99% of the content all tanks are good enough
grim pilot
any tips for staying alive on 2nd boss in rlp ? that boss is nuking me everytime...
demo, sr, def stance
if you get 4 stacks of dot, shield wall
dot is what hurts
not the attack
south zealot
any tips for staying alive on 2nd boss in rlp ? that boss is nuking me everytime...
it just fucking owns, plan your cds well
i also just tell me healer before the boss they actually have to heal me
because i guess that boss does nothing to other tanks
pearl epoch
honestly that boss makes me never want to play prot again lmao
median tulip
How to Protection Warrior:
- Get Angry
- MORE ANGRY
- TOO ANGRY TO DIE
south zealot
honestly that boss makes me never want to play prot again lmao
just wait until you get to fight raging fort basilisks in uldaman next week
median tulip
Ulda is just horrible regardless of Fort or Tyr
pearl epoch
can you spell refelect the dot from kokia? is it a cast ?
karmic plinth
cant be reflected
south zealot
it applies on successful melee hits
so if ur asking why sometimes you have less stacks
you can just parry it
pearl epoch
so honestly you just have to sit there and take it and hope to live is basically what im hearing lmao
hope the dps kill the add fast
south zealot
yeah just use your cds well
hardy snow
use CDs when you didn't parry and have more stacks
south zealot
your shield wall is a minute cd
pearl epoch
well time to run it back
vocal portal
is there still a weakaura that tell you when to use spell reflect?
south zealot
theres weakauras that tell you when youre targeted by something you can reflect
median tulip
can you spell refelect the dot from kokia? is it a cast ?
IIRC it's still magic damage so the DR from SR applies even tho it's not reflectable
hardy snow
its bleed
solemn wolf
Trinket question. I see the smolderon trinket being talked about as an S tier trinket, I randomly got the branch trinket from the first tree boss and noticed it usually does 4x the dmg off the smolderon trinket, I ran both of them a couple of run nows not dropping combat and the smolderon trinket never came close
Am I missing something or
urban bane
huh. do you have a log showing that?
drifting surge
"What is bleed" - Dwarf
pearl epoch
IIRC it's still magic damage so the DR from SR applies even tho it's not reflect...
i feel like once you get rlp as a key you might as well quit until the next reset bc that key is so impossible in a pug. its not just a tanking issue but dps just cant live unless the healer is a gigachad
drifting surge
I did a 4 RLP earlier, random low rio pug, was 490 on alt, overtimed :))
RLP is as brutal as i remember
hardy snow
RLP is brutal if you dont do mechanics properly
solemn wolf
huh. do you have a log showing that?
Not at moment will log the next run, both are 506 but I don't see one scaling so much better than the other. I even did a hc volc kill with both trinkets as arms just to test out the st and the branch came out on top in st
hardy snow
and lot of pugs doesnt
drifting surge
I mean, I was but can't say that for the others 
hardy snow
Not at moment will log the next run, both are 506 but I don't see one scaling so...
volcoross fight is too short for signet
it needs time to stack up and then do some dmg at full stacks
pearl epoch
its just a fuck ton of rot damage nonstop
hardy snow
usually 5-6 min or longer fight is where signet is better in st
drifting surge
Meatball boss is always fun, but I seem to remember back in S1 you target the dragon not the rider guy last boss
hardy snow
But it better represent a st boss fight in a m+
It doesnt, you can start boss fight in M+ while already having 15 stacks on signet
pearl epoch
pocket anvil gotta be better than signet bc the only bosses that are more than 5 mins are tindral and fyrakk
hardy snow
And you cant do that on volcoross
solemn wolf
Need to test it out some more
I get around 15 to 20 with branch
So yours looks right
Of it being s tier
hardy snow
trinket being "s tier" doesnt mean "equip and do tons of damage no matter what"
drifting surge
Tierlists suck
hardy snow
grieftorch sims lower then signet or anvil in ST long fight, but it can give you way more dmg than any of these two
it depends on situation
drifting surge
Especially if people die
Pug leader "Go jump in fire so i can do dmg" - me "YES BOSS"
solemn wolf
Which one is more forgiving on dropping combat, anvil or signet?
drifting surge
Anvil
south zealot
anvil bc u can extendo
drifting surge
Cause you can proc it yourself
hardy snow
When you check guides for gear, dont just look at images or "tiers", read whole thing that explains details.
hardy snow
Which one is more forgiving on dropping combat, anvil or signet?
Anvil, because its base dmg is still not bad, and it stacks better, and you can extend by using it out of combat, right before buff drops
urban bane
better sound effect also 
drifting surge
For example Freehold, you could get all the way up until the last bridge before anvil stacks run out and guessing signet too, you need chain pull dungeons and use critters to extend them which uses brain power and I just use fyrakk trinket then whatevers best
vocal portal
what does fire dmg for teh Eranog ring?
drifting surge
Helm enchant no?
hardy snow
what does fire dmg for teh Eranog ring?
helm enchant, embelishments, gholak, trinkets
drifting surge
Would it proc from the shadowflame weapon embellishment?
vocal portal
ty, forgot about the helm encht
drifting surge
Enchant***
hardy snow
this enchant is quite good, as it scales with ilvl
it makes helm high on prio list to upgrade ilvl, after shield and weapon of course
vocal portal
yea, my war is fresh so working on that now
graceful cobalt
hi guys if i wanna start a Tank on alliance is it Dwarf or Dark Iron Dwarf fpr war as best Race? Last get a bit less damage (dwarf has 1% krit)
hardy snow
Iron Dwarf's also removes it
graceful cobalt
has the Irondwarf to