protection

[unkempt hazel]

what about m+

[waxen frigate]

Keg smash sucks

You still lose tiger palm

SCK is basically a non button nowadays

[unkempt hazel]

good I Dont like it

[waxen frigate]

And that’s your only filler left

SCK might as well not exist other than helping to gather pulls now

And in mass mass aoe

[unkempt hazel]

yea I dont remember using it much even in s2

[waxen frigate]

Oh in s2 it cranked

Hard

Especially early s2

[unkempt hazel]

more of late s2

early s2 was worrior tiem

[dark barn]

Im pretty excited with protection talents in war within cause blizzard made a very deep rework in brewmaster removing trash talents and adding a lot of extremely strong survival talents. Just looking at that brew will be super sturdy. So i want to see good things in prot too.

[unkempt hazel]

watch prot become less sturdy

[jagged pier]

with far more daamage

id take it

[unkempt hazel]

disagree

keep it sturdy and add more damage

[jagged pier]

thats beause your weak

give a spec where u work for both

[waxen frigate]

I wouldn’t say all the removed talents were trash

[unkempt hazel]

if dh can have everything why cant we

[waxen frigate]

And we don’t know how good the defensive options are yet since they’re nonfunctional

[jagged pier]

because we all know bliz love DH

[pallid quiver]

I'm fine working for both as long as you get both in the end

[unkempt hazel]

im fine not working for anything

[dark barn]

I just know one thing: Changes will happen. So lets pray

[cerulean tusk]

Spear and shield coming for TWW? If so Prot warrior is saved by getting the power of pointystick!

[dark barn]

I am hoping for the passive who allow 2-hand shield

[final mist]

Give 2h+shield

[unkempt hazel]

give shield dual wield

[spark cedar]

[unkempt hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/door-dark-souls-3-dark-souls-iii-dark-souls-dark-souls-ii-gif-4046331747508077032

[native iron]

is greiftorch worth it even if your running 2 on use trinkets then? only gotten granyth and puzzle sofar, not sure if its worth running 2x on use?
i have aug s3 heroic and 483 cheat death since last patch.
im still contemplating on what to get for my bullion this week

[karmic plinth]

grieftorch is super fine to run with another on use trinket

its a bit of a angle to see which to pick but puzzle box generally isn't a great trinket for us

[native iron]

that good to hear, i´m so to the standard of not wanting 2x on use,
got gholak first, and i have the shield ring,
kinda into the idea of running 1x offensive and 1x defensive for a start.

[vocal flame]

Plate trinket is still really good too I believe

[pastel sleet]

Is there a good spell block WA out there for s4?

[hardy snow]

You mean, to track CD of spell block?

[pastel sleet]

No, i mean to track incoming spell blockables.
Kinda like the spell reflect wa that shows when you can reflect something. But with spell block

[jagged pier]

Thats would go off a lot and when u dont need to use like the SR one so pelase dont looking for you

Just remeber the dangerous cast u need to save it for and use it around them

[pearl iris]

hello new to prot warrior do we ever use regular slam to spend rage is it even worth keybinding since it does less dmg then revenge

[rapid jewel]

no, we dont have slam on our bar or use it

[pearl iris]

alright thanks

[tidal crane]

Thank you for the reply, appreciate it

[jagged pier]

Its friday

[tidal crane]

Details!

[pallid quiver]

He's a little goofy

don't worry about it

[waxen frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/graduation-day-graduation-cap-star-graduation-congrats-gif-7551161144234160092

[pallid quiver]

But also, it's didney, so I'm going to have to assassinate you, Nish. Them's the breaks, sorry

[acoustic oak]

I skipped S2 so still learning those dungeons. Is there a list of those dangerous casts? Or is it just the Excel doc in the pins and feeling it out?

[waxen frigate]

Like this?

[waxen frigate]

In terms of danger you feel a lot of it out. It’s hard to just give a list when we don’t know what you do and don’t know already

It’s also important to learn the tech for avoiding some of the most dangerous ones, such as ocean breath in HoI (from the dragons)

Which you can outrange

Are there any specific dungeons you’re curious about? I can try to list off some stuff from the top of my head (just general dangerous tankbusters)

[lusty grotto]

the sheet has notes, make sure you read them

[waxen frigate]

^ that too

[acoustic oak]

Gotcha, thanks. I remember watching a lot of Quazi back in S1 when he was playing prot and found that useful for helping plan stuff out

[jagged pier]

I mean the only few i can think is breath blazing slash and dragon stikre when u dont have sr are big ones to remeber

[waxen frigate]

Quazii makes great content

[waxen frigate]

Blazing slash

That’s a shield wall or dstance angle

[lusty grotto]

[acoustic oak]

I seem to get blasted in halls and Braken and I'm just not great about slamming spell block as often as I should

[lusty grotto]

bracken?

which area

[waxen frigate]

Bracken has a lot of kicks and diseases

It’s maybe worth considering bitter immunity as a last resort but meh

Kinda a mediocre talent

[lusty grotto]

yeah brackenhide is all avoidable as long as you and your group plays stops and kicks

[waxen frigate]

For halls remember you can sidestep the bleeds in the first area. Those are the most dangerous thing for you

[acoustic oak]

River area between first and second boss in Bracken was a bit rough and second boss kinda hurt but that was because I got swallowed 3 times I think

[waxen frigate]

And don’t let the lightning empowerment casts go off or whatever it’s called

[jagged pier]

Spell block cover 3 ina row

[lusty grotto]

and reflect the icecallers and/or play stops on them

literally only 3 mobs there hurt you

[jagged pier]

From one mob so with multiple u get like 5 cause of cast de sync

[lusty grotto]

and you can stop their dangerous casts

refti defenders - frontal: which you can sidestep (can also play stops on it)
glacial proto dragons - breath: which you can outrange, like Nish mentioned
icecallers - nukes: which you can reflect for big damage, and/or spell block (can also play stops on it)

thats it for HoI

BH:
Mystics - nukes are random so they might choose a group member instead of you, very easy, stops and kicks
Speakers - which you and your group need to kick Withering Burst (random target)
Shapers - kicks and stops
Rotsinger -kick Burst of Decay
all of these are reflectable for big damage

thats it

oh BH literally just kick and stop and/or reflect

absolutely 0 melee attacks in those dungeons hurt

unless of course youre pulling half the dungeon, but you should already know that

[acoustic oak]

Hmm okay, thanks guys appreciate it! Will get some more practise in

[lusty grotto]

if you have any other dungeon problems let us know

after looking at the sheet

[acoustic oak]

Will do!

[tame jasper]

for the bullions buying the two rings is okay? first got me golak and I have a mythik shield

otherwise trinkets I guess

[lusty grotto]

sure, like the pins say

and/or wowhead

[tame jasper]

yeah that's what I had in mind

thanks nim

[median tulip]

anyone else finding Haste harder to come by this season? Seems like the itemisation in the current Dungeons is heavily limitied on Haste gear?

[vocal flame]

no im over capp and my gear is crap, maybe im lucky

[lusty grotto]

yes

youre not wrong zetakya

but there are some big haste accessories, the problem is bullion stuff is lacking on it

no more ToTT so no big haste neck

haste/crit i mean

[median tulip]

Yeah, With SoDC being Crit/Vers the Haste available from rings is quite limited too. Especially because I have a crafted ring with AFP as the other ring

[lusty grotto]

there is a big haste neck in keys but

its haste mastery

[median tulip]

I'm running with this neck atm:

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats a big neck

just big crit and little haste

[lusty tiger]

The one from ulda?

[lusty grotto]

yea

[median tulip]

The neck from Dathea might be the actual best

[lusty grotto]

it wont unless you can clear myth dathea and/or get lucky on vault

since my guild is on lax mode, theres no mythic clearing so im kinda screwed there

and pugging M Dathea, just doesnt happen

[median tulip]

Frankly I'm noot even worrying about Myth track gear this season

[lusty grotto]

well its competing with Volc's neck because its bullion bought

so

yeah

my nymue and/or assault are good options but little haste big crit

honestly

if you dont wanna wait for a lucky vault drop

crafted plain old neck and/or lariat might be the best stat allocation for haste

and/or uldaman myth neck

and then those 2: nymue/assault

or just buy volc's neck i guess and try to get haste on rings somehow

maybe belt/boots

[median tulip]

Boots are easy because the Catalyst makes any boots big Haste:

[lusty grotto]

meh

no crit

[median tulip]

I have 46% Crit

I'm good for Crit

[waxen frigate]

P-cronch

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[median tulip]

CRONCH is the noise that Shield Charge/Battering Ram makes when it hits someone in the face

[lusty grotto]

im severely lacking in crit

versa makes me feel disgusting

[vocal flame]

Got this one but i know its low ilevel helps with haste

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats the ulda neck

[median tulip]

I need to get some non-tier legs to replace the Tier piece

[vocal flame]

I also have some last season good m+ rings with a ton of haste that I have not gotten a chance to upgrade yet so maybe that is why too haha

so ill prob drop a lot once I get more ilevel

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats probably why

[median tulip]

Yeah

[lusty grotto]

but youre nerfing total stats by doing that

[median tulip]

once you have SoDC the ring contributioon takes a hit

[hardy snow]

Im still having S3 rings, cause none dropped for me so far, but today will get one for bullions

[lusty grotto]

yup

[vocal flame]

Yeah same here very unlucky with gear

multiple runs with nothing dropping lol

[lusty grotto]

those are mine

got filial duty on vault

[hardy snow]

Yesterday I've finally got neck to replace s3 crafted one, but still no belt upgrade

[vocal flame]

These are mine

[median tulip]

Belt is the last piece of S3 gear foor me too

[vocal skiff]

Can you do the jump in AV to 2nd boss room without any tech (e.g. parachute)?

[lusty grotto]

yes

just press w

and dont press space bar

you press space bar to jump

you die

also be full hp

but honestly just get a parasol

they are easy to get

[median tulip]

I static with a priest at the moment

Easy tech

[violet ginkgo]

Nim, I need a help on chargath neltharus, after see video I know I must break the chain but at first he always jump, is that count as breaking chain?

[lusty grotto]

no

unless he lands on the chain

[violet ginkgo]

so first jump after the chain out, aim it there?

[lusty grotto]

huh

i mean the chains have very telling visuals

[median tulip]

You want to stop just short of the chain, let him jump, then move slightly to break

[lusty grotto]

unless your dps isnt extendiing them

yeah what zetakya said

[median tulip]

Lots of DPS are complete headless monkeys are don't know what to do ofc

[violet ginkgo]

uh this is rather me problem, I still kind of confused of the chain, I know it must be broken but apparently I haven't been able to do it consistently, well dps also have to move for sure but... I want to fix my part first

[lusty grotto]

the boss brakes the chains

when you walk him through them

you dont

[median tulip]

The ideal is for you to drag the boss thru 2 chains, wait for the debuff to go away, then break the 3rd

If it looks like your DPS are idiots and are going to break the 3rd with debuff then use Rallying Cry

alsoo I always Shield Wall that part because of the way he beats me up

[lusty grotto]

i recommend asking your healer if he can handle 2 chains

before you do 2-1

otherwise stick to 1-1-1

just rotate cds

including spellblock

[median tulip]

Yeah, Fiery Focus deals a lot of Fire damage, so all your usual magic damage reducers work

[lusty grotto]

breaking chains puts a stacking dot on the party, not all healers are the same

the idea is you break a chain (or 2), wait until the dot fades, then break the remaining one(s)

sorry, just mentioning it for valkyrion

[median tulip]

Yeah I know

One of the reasons that part is worse than it needs to be is that so many DPS are bad at defensive use

[vocal flame]

so we are getting two bullion from the weekly, are we still getting 1 from raid?

[lusty grotto]

yes

so you will get another item next week with this week's raid and next week's raid

[bronze locust]

I heard it suggested to reverse the chain order, 2-1, for the healer to catch up in downtime

[vocal flame]

ok cool thank you

[lusty grotto]

2-1 is more than doable

but like i said, healers are all different in terms of skill level

so its good to ask first

cause they might just not have the hps for it or w/e

[tough meteor]

Hey, I need help here 🤔 the boots are an upgrade from Champ to Myth, however the Neck (great amount of Haste) is not BiS but it's Myth. Also, the trinket (hero) could be of great help too

[lusty grotto]

what is blurred

[tough meteor]

Shoulders, I got them

[lusty grotto]

boots

also no need to go through all the effort of editing it lol

[tough meteor]

Cool, thank you

[tough meteor]

ROFL you're right

[prisma crane]

i, for one, appreciate the presentation quality @tough meteor

my only gripe is that your text isnt aligned in the same location on each, myth on the neck overlaps the left side of the frame, and the margin on hero is tighter than that of the bottom left myth

i prefer the hero margins, roughly even both on the side and bottom

[lusty grotto]

its for sure a good edit

[prisma crane]

we, as protection warriors, are the most sophisticated of the smooth brain brown class, and presentations like that help illustrate this point

[waxen frigate]

@lusty grotto @lusty tiger Not gonna be active on Discord tonight. I'm meeting a girl (a real one) in half an hour (wouldn't expect a lot of you to understand anyway) so please don't DM me asking me where I am (im with the girl, ok) you'll most likely get aired because ill be with the girl (again I don't expect you to understand) shes actually really interested in me and its not a situation i can pass up for some meaningless Discord degenerates (because ill be meeting a girl, not that you really are going to understand) this is my life now. Meeting women and not wasting my precious time online, I have to move on from such simple things and branch out (you wouldnt understand)

[lusty grotto]

lmaooooo

[prisma crane]

Nish isn't helping my case, AT ALL

[lusty grotto]

now thats a quality copypasta

[median tulip]

Those boots are the best available

[violet ginkgo]

what is considered good neck for us? the one with high haste and some crit from vault raid?

[tough meteor]

Thank you all 🤣

[lusty grotto]

read this conversation #protection message

[toxic pewter]

livin the dream

[lusty tiger]

Good luck buddy

[vocal flame]

GOOD LUCK!!

[lusty grotto]

guys

its not real

[toxic pewter]

lol

[lusty grotto]

its a copypasta

[median tulip]

😂

[violet ginkgo]

I see then for example if we don't mythic raid right, but doing M+ so we can get potential situation like this
Dathea neck 522 (Haste/Crit) vs Bromach 528 (haste/mast)
Which one will you choose Nim?

[lusty grotto]

if you dont raid?

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto @lusty tiger Not gonna be active on Discord tonight. I'm meeting a girl (a real one) in half an hour (wouldn't expect a lot of you to understand anyway) so please don't DM me asking me where I am (im with the girl, ok) you'll most likely get aired because ill be with the girl (again I don't expect you to understand) shes actually really interested in me and its not a situation i can pass up for some meaningless Discord degenerates (because ill be meeting a girl, not that you really are going to understand) this is my life now. Meeting women and not wasting my precious time online, I have to move on from such simple things and branch out (you wouldnt understand)

[lusty grotto]

you cant get nymue

[south zealot]

i have it

[lusty grotto]

err

dathea

[lusty tiger]

Good luck with the girl (your wife)

[lusty grotto]

so either uldaman/crafted/volcs with bullion

[violet ginkgo]

ah sorry I mean the max raid we did is heroic, so we still can get heroic stuff but not mythic stuff raid.

[lusty grotto]

yeah idk

uldaman is spammable

well, kind of

cause pugs suck on it lmao

but if you wanna get ilvl capped you have no choice

[dark barn]

I dont like volc at all... With the combo of vault rings your haste will be probably Very Low.

[toxic pewter]

Yeah I have uldaman neck, it does the trick

[lusty grotto]

either crafted or bullion volc's

[dark barn]

I highly suggest uldaman or craft

[dusky canopy]

Lmao true

[lusty grotto]

or uldaman's from vault on a myth track, but thats so rng that it might be a while

[dusky canopy]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3Jx75PFQDekd3iF2uH8ZkW

[violet ginkgo]

craft means lariat? XD

[dusky canopy]

Next weeks going to be good

[lusty grotto]

normal neck, torc

[dusky canopy]

Wait can’t get BSL wrists next week

[lusty grotto]

or lariat as well but you might need to drop a shadowflame patch

[dusky canopy]

But still ilvl on like 4 pieces

[lusty grotto]

both have good haste

[valid hinge]

Going to be playing the prot warrior alt this weekend, i'm curious about the prot stonks post patch.

[lusty grotto]

you mean a straight line right

cause nothing changed

[dusky canopy]

Warrior always own

Tier list bad

[lusty grotto]

thats why its a straight line

(:

no up stonks

no down stonks

[valid hinge]

Bet

[lusty grotto]

unlike my portfolio

):

[dusky canopy]

🪦

[lusty grotto]

fucking AMD screwed me over

(on stonks)

amd good on my pc (:

[valid hinge]

I updated my 9900k to 7800x3d this season.

Im doing what I can to help your stonks.

[lusty grotto]

lol

appreciate it

[dusky canopy]

White: 2019
Yellow: 2020

[valid hinge]

No more frame drops, 7800x3d freaking rules.

[dusky canopy]

[waxen frigate]

I have that too

And a 4070 super

[dusky canopy]

Nish how’s the 7800x3d handle tindral?

[lusty grotto]

i wish, thats a 1 day graph

[dusky canopy]

Oof

[valid hinge]

we have nearly identical systems. Gotta love getting 60-110 fps in Valdrakken

[waxen frigate]

Depends on player density for me but usually over 100

[visual spade]

just found out you can spell reflect the focused deluge in HOI

[lusty grotto]

welcome to season 2

[dusky canopy]

Mythic?

[lusty grotto]

we've had it on the sheet thats pinned since then

[waxen frigate]

Usually like 90+

[visual spade]

i figured it was in the pins, i have been a dps main for the entire expansion though lol

[valid hinge]

If I shut all my addons off, and I lower my downscaling I can get more FPS, but I hate aliasing

I keep that here

[waxen frigate]

Mine is at 100%

But I’m also a 1080p gamer

[valid hinge]

And I have multi-sample enabled in nvidia control

because it makes things like my mog windows look betta

ahh yeah i play on 1440p

without multisample enabled, and downscaling my mog window looks bad

with the settings I run things are pretty clear, the aliasing is still not where I would like it to be, but I think I would need a 4080 ti s or 4090 to really get the power to iron it out

And thats too much bread for me to spend on a GPU right now lol

[waxen frigate]

WoW is also just not amazingly optimized

[valid hinge]

fasho

[waxen frigate]

I’m glad I got a banger deal on my pc for a prebuilt

$1630 for those specs

[dusky canopy]

Upscaling removes aliasing?

[valid hinge]

Nah, I downscale. I render game above 1440p

[lusty grotto]

i do it too but only cause i saw that video quazi posted

[valid hinge]

and funnel it to 1440p, that + multisampling in nvidia pan

[waxen frigate]

I haven’t fucked with anything in there

[lusty grotto]

me neither

[waxen frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[lusty grotto]

i just run it in game

[valid hinge]

Supersample = clean ass MF lines, but you will get big FPS drops in heavy particle laden zones

[lusty grotto]

with FSR

[valid hinge]

go to the end of nelth's lair and stand by the fire behind last boss

if you want to test GPU pressure

the particles are a great real life bench/stress test

A stronger card than mine would be able to downscale from a higher res, wow with full super sample + render at like 150-200% to 1440p looks "chefs kiss" but you won't get the consistent 60-500 frames you'll get without it lol

[lusty grotto]

🤷 i get consistent 143 fps with quazii's settings

[valid hinge]

Yeah, his settings are great for FPS no doubt about it!

[lusty grotto]

3070ti

[dusky canopy]

I should try his out

I get great fps

[lusty grotto]

wdym fps

his settings are for WoW

[dusky canopy]

Just not on tindral

Frame per second nim

Lmao

[lusty grotto]

oh

i thought he meant first person shooters lol

[valid hinge]

I've spent way too much time trying to scale my shit to as beautiful as I can ge tit without getting bad FPS

I think the lowest FPS i'll see is like 40-50 in a superbloom, and I'll take that if it means the game looks great. In old zones I'll get like 500 lol wow is so weird

[dusky canopy]

I’m totally un educated when it comes to graphical settings

I just do what the YouTube says is good

[lusty grotto]

just do this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vR6nJLLoe4

[valid hinge]

I have some homies like that, and I usually just recommend that they follow the Fr33thy optimization guide if they want to get some easy to setup performance without much effort.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89R9KlJ3ocM&t=118s
This dude has a pretty good channel for some easy PC optimization on windows 10/11

He takes all the extra thought out of messing with it as far as windows goes & I 100% agree that if anyone is having FPS issues in wow they follow quazzis advice.

It will 100% help you get some more FPS / Visual Fidelity in game..

[humble schooner]

I remember when AMD was like $4 per share... thought to myself "Man, I should really buy some of that"

[lusty grotto]

lol thats basically all the stocks

[dusky canopy]

Thanks I’ll check it out!

[vocal flame]

i get like 50-65fps in vald on 4k max settings. idk why that area is so intensive

[lusty grotto]

youre running in 4k

which is

still no bueno for gaming

[humble schooner]

Valdrakken has a ton of NPCs, Wow sucks at handling too many

[vocal flame]

4k no bueno? its wonderful

[valid hinge]

Getting 50-65 fps in vald @4k resolution is really good imo.

[mild latch]

Hey folks. I saw that some prot warrior tanks are running Disrupting Shout instead of Enduring Alacrity, and the double shield wall charge instead of the other node.

What's the consensus on this build, or if you have experience playing it yourself?

[lusty grotto]

i guess but im not gonna run sub 100fps on anything

[valid hinge]

Dissrupting shout is bis

[lusty grotto]

if i want to run something in 4k, its gonna be movies, not games

disrupting shout is NOT bis

its an option

[lusty grotto]

and you dont swap enduring for it, you swap bloodsurge

[valid hinge]

This next round of GPUs is going to make 4k a lot easier to game on

[lusty grotto]

double shield wall is

no

absolutely not

[dusky canopy]

What’s disrupting shout?

[toxic pewter]

why would people want to lose out on 20% extra rage from ss

[dusky canopy]

Never heard of it

[urban bane]

Trap talent fr

[mild latch]

I see

[lusty grotto]

i bet nextback is running it

[humble schooner]

Nvidia 5000 series might actually be worth an upgrade from a 3080, but not sure if I will even upgrade yet, still more than enough for what I play

[jagged pier]

please dont start

[lusty grotto]

[jagged pier]

because top ppl are running

thats why

in some case in their keys they may need it but its unlikely

but thats difference between the top top and everyone else

[waxen frigate]

What if we all hold hands and listen to moonlight sonata while getting sturdy?

[dusky canopy]

Nextback might need better CCrs

[jagged pier]

im down as long as theres fish review

[lusty tiger]

Nish fish review

[jagged pier]

havent had on in a while

[urban bane]

[lusty grotto]

im actually trying to think of a scenario where you need double wall

[jagged pier]

ill give u a hint

[lusty grotto]

and there's absolutely nothing

[lusty tiger]

Tjs 3rd boss

[torn gulch]

he'll full pugging as far as i know but some of my guildmates don't have good words about him in keys

[dusky canopy]

Chain boss

[lusty grotto]

nono this season

you have wall for every chain

without double wall

[jagged pier]

he was rank 1 prot most of SLs with 50% - 60% blocked hits

i feel sorry for the healers he ran into

[lusty tiger]

Meh holy priest can handle it

[jagged pier]

not in SLs

[lusty tiger]

XD I’m jk that blocked hits rate is sadness

[torn gulch]

one of my guildmates is a title healer and let's say he wasn't particularly happy

[jagged pier]

yes but ppl still called us wrong because he was using things and talents

and he was higher io

[lusty grotto]

funny how sense always manages to catch up

with proper talents and play

[torn gulch]

because a season in m+ is a maraton not a sprint

[prisma phoenix]

Higher io means you are better than everyone below you

[lusty grotto]

duh

[prisma phoenix]

So obviously you know what's up

[torn gulch]

kekw

[prisma phoenix]

Glad I could help guys

[lusty grotto]

i said duh to homo mac

not you

[prisma phoenix]

Call me if you need more pro tips

[lusty grotto]

i appreciate the help glaze

[prisma phoenix]

Np bro

[grim pilot]

Ye the guy has some unique takes

[lusty grotto]

you a real one

[grim pilot]

And is one of the early season pushers

[torn gulch]

i've seen title dps last season that achieved title in m+ only because they played with vdh
take them out of keys with vdh and they were mediocre at best
but they are title players

[grim pilot]

Wdym who are they supposed to play with

There were no other tanks

Than vdhs

Either way

[prisma phoenix]

I saw some Paladin tanks

[torn gulch]

what i mean is they did not use their kit at 3.7k score

garbage

[grim pilot]

Then theyre trash

[grim pilot]

Not at 3.7k late season

[torn gulch]

and they were timing keys because of vdh using their kit

if vdh get gutted next xpac a lot of so called good dps will be exposed
i am already preparing popcorn

for it

[grim pilot]

Most vdhs that barey got the title are like me playing vdh

Maybe can survive

If they survive, they dont know why

Just happy they got lucky

[dusky canopy]

“Vdh selling solo que +28 whisper”

[grim pilot]

Difference is I was like 3k on my vdh

[toxic pewter]

to this day my fav image is vdh leaping in and instantly dying though, nothing will beat that

[grim pilot]

Most of these fotm players are incosistent as fuck

[grim pilot]

Ye Ive done that

Was funny as fuck

[toxic pewter]

isnt there a compliation video of vdhs doing that? if not needs to be made asap

[dusky canopy]

Fotm player hater tbh

Wish that didn’t exist

[lusty tiger]

I gotcha

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/759564659714949213/1233207622052610128/rlp.gif?ex=663f5f58&is=663e0dd8&hm=8c0fd537bf9b757f757c719aa6e4ae0e639bf4b2efa548d2ce141789e6f128c4&

[toxic pewter]

LOL

best gif ive seen all year, perhaps in many years

[lusty tiger]

[lusty grotto]

truly a great gif

[violet ginkgo]

I love how dps sometimes just love to hit boss first even before tank pulling

I usually charge but give 2 secs before start hitting and bursting

[lusty grotto]

sometimes SPs need to land that void crash before you move the boss to africa

[south zealot]

its possible but i cant rmemeber ever seeing a situation in which it was actually needed

[lusty grotto]

TJS maybe but thats long gone

thats about it

[south zealot]

oh shit dude i forgot that dungeon existed

thajt one kinda owned

[lusty grotto]

maybe theyre doing it for birb

idk

highhh af birb tyrannical i guess

[south zealot]

thats possible but idk if its needed if u have an aug in your group

[lusty grotto]

yeah idk the bleed isnt that much of a problem

the big hit is now

s1 though, yea

[grim pilot]

Are we talkin 2 walls

[south zealot]

yuh

[lusty grotto]

yup

[grim pilot]

Ah

[south zealot]

ive only done 13

this season

on aa

so idk

[median tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/perfection-perfect-michael-fassbender-magneto-x-men-first-class-gif-2260686001358167676

[grim pilot]

My max tanked is 10

[south zealot]

if my character wasnt such a piss rat i could actually do relevant keys

comfortably

[grim pilot]

Farming them crests

[south zealot]

yeah lol

doing 2s./

[vocal skiff]

Beyond Chargath, I am usually scared of RLP's first two bosses in terms of tank damage. I know you can reflect frigid shard, and I do, but feels like you are never safe with the amount of magic damage going on, and on second boss, molten blows can usually overlap with the elemental blowing up and I have to run and still take hit

But I am sure there is a lot of misplay on my part

[lusty grotto]

meh

those bosses dont scare me as much as they did in s1

spell block is great

[south zealot]

2nd still owns for me

[lusty grotto]

just parry

[south zealot]

i dont aprry basilisks

not parrying that either

[lusty grotto]

[median tulip]

The first boss in RLP is easy as long as the healer stands near you, and not off in Narnia

If everyone is stacked for the frost spike things then it gets so much easier

[waxen frigate]

Hey @lusty grotto listening to this song thinking of you

[lusty grotto]

[lusty grotto]

lol

[dusky canopy]

LOLOL Gottem

[south axle]

i have very trouble to max damage as prot warior

my monk pull pack around 500k

my prot is around 300

and finish at 200

[median tulip]

You're doing fine

[waxen frigate]

Monk does more aoe than pwarr

[south axle]

how much damage u have overall at the end of a dungeon

10 for exemple

[lusty grotto]

depends on the dungeon

[dusky canopy]

AA

[lusty grotto]

300k

[dusky canopy]

BH

[grim pilot]

not sure after nerfs to monk and buffs to war

[lusty grotto]

high 200s on AA

[grim pilot]

idk numbers tho

but pwar really slaps rn

[waxen frigate]

I’m quite sure

Maybe in soell reflect heavy keys

Warr pulls ahead

[south axle]

i have 150k overall average

so it's really low

i m not speaking of hight key with very bug pull

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[grim pilot]

I mean if u want to improve

provide logs

[manic mural]

I'm doing 10s and most dungeons are around 200k overall with average pulls

[grim pilot]

or at the very least details

[manic mural]

And I'd say I'm average

[lusty grotto]

we have no idea what youre doing wrong without logs

[manic mural]

If not a bit below

[grim pilot]

I'm doing on avg 300k regardless of the dungeon

some more some less

but thats my avg in 10's

[dusky canopy]

Metrics to go by:
Did I time the key?
Yes, good
No, bad

[south axle]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/fr-fr/character/eu/hyjal/mordrën

that's my character

[grim pilot]

that is not a log

[south axle]

i m really new with it

[lusty grotto]

that doesnt help us

logs

like myrtuu says

[grim pilot]

also how good is the gnoll flare

ive no idea

[lusty grotto]

its eh

its not bad

[grim pilot]

ye seems like it

[lusty grotto]

but on the low end

[grim pilot]

its something

[dusky canopy]

Nome did 300k in AA with out his 4pc equip on accident lmao

[grim pilot]

but not something good

[lusty grotto]

yeah its certainly a trinket

[grim pilot]

I mean aa is big overalls

I did 330k in ruby

u can go crazy in 10's with the pulls

[south zealot]

this game is so dogshit

im forced to do pisslo keys for wyrms

but the people in keys under 6 at this point

[lusty grotto]

but why

[south zealot]

are completely useless

[grim pilot]

wdym spam 10's

[lusty grotto]

just cap aspects

[grim pilot]

when u cap on aspects

u get wyrms

[lusty grotto]

☝️

[grim pilot]

I would kms

if I had to run 5's

[south zealot]

the people doign 10s are creatures

[grim pilot]

come to eu

we can run together

[lusty grotto]

i mean 9s

[grim pilot]

[lusty grotto]

or 8s are fine

[south zealot]

okie :3

im just gonna grief my key

inviting the first 3 dps that apply and first healer

should be chill

[grim pilot]

the people in 9's can be monsters yeah

I did a 9 ruby

and I've beaten 2 515 bms

I gapped them on boss dam on first boss

[south zealot]

u had 3 tanks in a 0 ruby :o

xd

[grim pilot]

yep

ruby is a great key

sadly the bosses are not the easiest

so it can be either fast with premade or painful with pugs

[south axle]

maybe i don't use enough revenge

[grim pilot]

revenge is your 3rd priority

[south zealot]

youre more likely to use it too much

[grim pilot]

I dont think that should be your concern

[south zealot]

over not enough

[lusty grotto]

sir, link logs

[south axle]

i don't have logs

[lusty grotto]

we cant work with "i did this"

[south axle]

so i can't link

[south zealot]

do another key right now and log it

if you have the time

[lusty grotto]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/hyjal/mordrën?zone=37 is this your character?

yup you certainly dont have logs

its all leaderboard

maybe log so we can see what youre doing wrong

[south zealot]

alright i invited literally the only 4 people to apply to my key

should be a banger

[lusty grotto]

if u wait like an hour i need keys for chipadin

[south zealot]

we can do this 13 i get after bricking this

[lusty grotto]

xD

[south axle]

yeah mine

[south axle]

yes

[hoary bough]

how do you tank last boss of uldaman? i feel like i'm missing some s2 trick with wall los'ing or something

[grim pilot]

dont think you should need that

rotate spell block and sw

def stance, sr, demo shout

can do last stand

[hoary bough]

boss is fine, yeah, the fight is just always so chaotic

and i feel like it's maybe my fault somehow

[grim pilot]

ah

well maybe but probably not

dps should stand close to the boss

and move with you

not in africa

if theyre in africa, they spawn shit in africa

and when they do that, its not fun

[hoary bough]

fair, yeah, with dreadplates + splinter i feel immortal in everything

but my group isn't

[manic mural]

Is tanking AV final boss in the middle of the room the play now?

[grim pilot]

nope

[hoary bough]

i still take him to the side, nuke crystals, then rotate when the orbs come out

[plush tendon]

I found I dont want to be to close to the wall anymore

[grim pilot]

you tank the boss as close to the edge as possible

[south zealot]

already bricked

[plush tendon]

the crystal placements can get screwy

[south zealot]

i need to stop inviting dogshit players

or people with dogshit pcs

or both

[plush tendon]

and get placed way up on the Z axis

[hoary bough]

yeah, it is mild spook when the barrier crystal gets spawned halfway up the wall

[manic mural]

The orbs seem to move outward away from the boss, and I tried it in a key since a DPS recommended.
It felt much nicer

[plush tendon]

I just leave a bit of room

blizzard does have a fascination with bosses where you kite them around the room

dont they

[hoary bough]

that boss is so so so so so much nicer than it was in S1 though lmao

[grim pilot]

are u planning to push as pwar

or doing tank keys because youre bored

and because pug tanks are dogshit

[south zealot]

all of the above

[hoary bough]

i can't handle pugging as dps, tanks do the weirdest shit

[south zealot]

also seeing a pug prot warrior

[grim pilot]

I pug as tank

[south zealot]

makes me upset

[grim pilot]

then I do weirdest shit

[hoary bough]

much prefer to be the person doing the weird shit

[south zealot]

they have the worst possible talents ive ever seen in my life

[hoary bough]

ye lmaooo

[south zealot]

every other tank spec the talents are mostly fine

but pug prot warriors have the craziest loadouts in history

[grim pilot]

healers hate my pulls

theyre struggling so hard

[trail fox]

i dont really play prot but why is Seal of Diurna's Chosen a good choice? Wheres prots fire dmg?

[grim pilot]

while I'm listening to pedro lust

[hoary bough]

when you see the tank be like "i'm gonna grab another pack", turn their back, and just get CLAPPED

[grim pilot]

gholak, sf, head enchant

[rapid jewel]

crafted gear, weapon, helm enchant, trinkets

[south zealot]

helm enchant, weapon, embellishments, many trinkets as well

holy we all spammed him

lol

[grim pilot]

on god

ppals have always same fucking talents

[hoary bough]

oh shit yeah, my dreadplate deals fire dmg now

[grim pilot]

vdhs usually have some raid build ish because thats the recommended one on wowhead (or was?)

basically soulcrush stuff

till they started to push 23's and went last resort

[trail fox]

Hahaha thanks

[grim pilot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1171395617839382559.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

but pwars have some cooked shit

[south zealot]

ppl use wowhead for everything except prot warrior

lmao

[grim pilot]

ah yes let me take talent nobody else will ever take

[hoary bough]

it's time to bring back

SPEAR OF BASTION

YEAR OF THE SPEAR

[south zealot]

dude some ppl actually talent into improved heroic throw

[grim pilot]

u mean titanic throw

?

[south zealot]

this one

[hoary bough]

i've heard people arguing for that before

[grim pilot]

lol

[hoary bough]

OH SHIT

[grim pilot]

I didnt know

thats a talent

[hoary bough]

haha, i was gonna say

[south zealot]

i get that revenge is low prio

[hoary bough]

titanic throw isn't that cooked

[south zealot]

but holy fuck man thats so troll

[hoary bough]

but improved heroic throw

YEESH

[south zealot]

i can understand why youd take titanic throw

[south zealot]

but improved heroic throw???

[grim pilot]

this is my goto

essentially

[hoary bough]

what a cooked build, not taking BSV, didn't you see blizz say we can take it now?

[south zealot]

u dont need shockwave in av?

right

might be a paddington gamer

[grim pilot]

I did av once

and the dots

were just

extendo patronum

[south zealot]

actually probably grief in first area without it

[grim pilot]

I got to 8 stacks

all extendo last second

(everyone had their ccs)

good thing I was premade with healer and he td'd me

[hoary bough]

def need shockwave when pugging AV

[grim pilot]

because holy fuck it actually hurts

[hoary bough]

are there any dungeons where disrupting shout is particularly great for pugging?

[jagged pier]

Nope

[grim pilot]

av

also helps when doing massive pulls

to gather

[hoary bough]

i was mostly thinking AV/Nokhud ye, but i've always used bloodsurge, afraid to remove it

[grim pilot]

this pull would be ass without disrupting

while pugging

[hoary bough]

oh that's rlp

i was like

where tf is that in av

[grim pilot]

ye its rlp

but lots of casters in that pull

[vestal moat]

is that a real pull

[grim pilot]

yes

[hoary bough]

that is a pull with some chest hair

ngl

[rapid jewel]

just pull it in the first room with LoS and you are fine

[vestal moat]

both rock boys? why not invis the first one at least

[grim pilot]

thats what I do in 10's and thats what vdhs do in 15+

except vdhs skip the big guys ye

[hoary bough]

i do like half that, then take the rest in a chain

[grim pilot]

nah

I chain the big guys

and take the miniboss

onto the boss

but dont mind me

im doing 10's

[hoary bough]

mine's 10s too, idk, i just don't trust the cc lmao

[grim pilot]

u dont need any cc

all cc u need

is you

[manic mural]

I remember Blood surge is around 13% rage overall for a dungeon with me. Does anyone know if it has a greater percentage in Single Target?

[grim pilot]

no

I pop shield wall while gathering

disrupting when I pull lots of casters

[hoary bough]

where do you actually tank them

[grim pilot]

and then spell block

in the middle

this pack doesnt do shit if you have spell block

[hoary bough]

i wanna do that pull lmao

[grim pilot]

at least not in 10's since in 10's thats the only damage u could take

this is what im doing in rlp

but like I said I do this in 10's

[plush tendon]

both Flamegullet and Thunderfuck

[grim pilot]

I'm doing massive pulls that u would never do for shits and giggles and big overalls

[plush tendon]

[grim pilot]

for this

[hoary bough]

mini boss with boss? must trust your dps and healers a lot to not get yeeted by frontals

[grim pilot]

I dont trust them

I dont care about them

thats the point of this

to do dumb shit

and have fun

[hoary bough]

that is true, i wanna learn that initial rlp pull

[grim pilot]

but usually I have 1 premade person with me and I'm a bit picky with healers because like I said healers hate my pulls

[hoary bough]

mw is def a good choice for pairing lul

[grim pilot]

na idc about class

just looking at their rio

I'd inv rsham or whatever is shittest right now

[hoary bough]

assuming mw works like s3, they'll do all the healing just spamming sck with those giant pulls

[grim pilot]

think I had rlp where monk did like 150k?

he said he actually enjoyed those pulls

kekw

[hoary bough]

i always loved gigantic pulls on my mw

because you can just spam sck and hit crane whenever it gets dicey

unironically gets easier to heal with more targets

[grim pilot]

ik it does but there's a point where it's too cancer

thats why monks were good in fall on drake pulls

[hoary bough]

ye drakes in fall were a good example

i used to get mad when the ret pala would fkn spam aoe and kill all the slimes

[south zealot]

i dont care i will pad

[hoary bough]

like bruh i have infinite healing when they're up

yeah, mw can rotate crane and sheilun for it anyway

[grim pilot]

unironically played 30 with ret that divine stormed

[hoary bough]

but afk sck healing is so satisfying

[grim pilot]

did not time that one generally

[lusty grotto]

im a simple man

i see mobs

i divine storm

[rapid jewel]

im a simple man

pala gets aggro when grouping

I let him die

[lusty grotto]

as you should

[south zealot]

thats never ever happened

[lusty grotto]

not with chipadin at least

i just stay in my mount until the pull is completed

after that its wings + reck + jesus take the wheel

[hardy snow]

brakenhide +10

[lusty grotto]

i recognize some of these numbers and letters

lets see

684.20M385.3K yes

563.26M3172K, absolutely

[south zealot]

lol a little crowded

nice damn though boss

[lusty grotto]

558.71M314.6K mmhmm

479.2.. ok i give up these are too many numbers and letters

could be passwords

(:

[hardy snow]

XD

its just total/dps, but I keep my details window tiny

[lusty grotto]

that hpriest is slacking hard

the fuck is he not doing 100k

holy priest go brrrr

[hardy snow]

not this one apperently

[lusty grotto]

[lusty grotto]

someone come tank this 10 Nok for chipadin

halp

ez time

big pepega pulls

big reflects

halpppp

):

[keen leaf]

whats ur ilvl and dmg breakdown? I dont do near this much

[south zealot]

love when reflect just doesnt work

ruining my overall :(

[hardy snow]

514 or 515

[austere oar]

How does it feel defensively in a 10 ?

[hardy snow]

I think quite easy, with change to this stamina talent and IP buff I feel even more invincible, then in previous week,
had to run away once, cause pulled too much, rest of party died, I was fine until two casts from affix mobs

[south zealot]

10 bracken is light work

easy defensively

[lusty grotto]

currently destroying this guy

2400 ret pally btw

[hardy snow]

yea, defensively its harder for rest of party, than for us XD

[south zealot]

i took 0 avoidable damage

chadge

(not true)

[waxen frigate]

Holy

[strong forum]

its always the worst kind of people who run elitism helper

[south zealot]

:( not even 2200 its a struggle in these streets

i agree, though that guy was actually pretty good

so not really sure why he had it

[waxen frigate]

I’ll leave a key if the keyholder has that shit on idc

[lusty grotto]

i dropped anvil a couple of times 😦

[south zealot]

L ratio

[lusty grotto]

i didnt refresh anvil before flying to the next areas so

thats on me

[keen leaf]

your thunder clap is so much higher than mine

[toxic pewter]

dang u kinda destroyed that other ret lol

[south zealot]

SS looks under utilized there

a bit

[vocal flame]

damn Pocket anvil is that good

[south zealot]

yes its really good

[vocal flame]

better than dreadplates? was thinking of getting that instead

for defensive / offensive balance

[keen leaf]

this is mine

for a 10 AA

[south zealot]

dreadplates is better defensive/offensive balance

anvil is just damage

[waxen frigate]

That looks very low for an AA Troar, no?

[keen leaf]

yeah thats why im wondering lol

only 233k overall

[south zealot]

did you log that key

[keen leaf]

which is what my norm is

[toxic pewter]

im buying dreadplate iwth bullions next week

[keen leaf]

No I dont really know how to log, I know I need to for real help

[south zealot]

everything looks kind of low individually but

roar is insanely low

were you pressing it on cd

[keen leaf]

I thought maybe I was IP too much but idk

[vocal flame]

aug is so silly haha

[south zealot]

maybe but that wouldnt effect your roar dam

[keen leaf]

im using roar in ST too, is that normal?

[south zealot]

yeah you use it on cd

[lusty grotto]

its buffs your tier

so yes

[keen leaf]

yeah I thought so but im pressing it :x

[lusty grotto]

ok who doin vault keys i need 3 more

[hardy snow]

yea, its quite good when you keep stacks 😄

[rich beacon]

The pins say that you dont use battering ram anymore but put it into Alacrity instead. I didnt have a point in battering ram anyway. Whats the best point to take? Disrupting shout like the wowhead guide seems to suggest? I kinda like that ability

[lusty grotto]

drop bloodsurge if you want disrupting

not alacrity

i bet on dn

stupid filter

HOL UP

what the fuck is this

oh

[crisp junco]

hello guys, do u macro rageheart with avatar?

[waxen frigate]

lmao get smoked

[lusty grotto]

no

[crisp junco]

thx

[lusty grotto]

details trolling this guy is 510

shit now im concerned, time to up logs

hmm

that AV log isnt showing up

ok raider.io is fucking up my logs for some reason

what the fuck

[south zealot]

how do people still die to the start of deios

[lusty grotto]

no avoidance, lack of defensives

was it a boomkin?

[waxen frigate]

potentially the most VDH name i've ever seen

[south zealot]

this is the second season the dungeons been here and ppl still dont know u have to rip shit on pull or youre guarenteed to die

2 different keys over 4 different classes

[lusty grotto]

bruh its always a boomkin on my keys

EVERY SINGLE TIME

first aoe, dead boomy

[south zealot]

frost mage hpal rdruid dev evoker

just dead before 10 seconds have even passed

[lusty grotto]

imagine having 4 defensives and dying

stupid wizards

[south zealot]

im salty man that wouldve been like

20 io

[waxen frigate]

this dude looks terrifying wtf

[lusty grotto]

bruh

that looks kinda sick

ima copy it on z

[toxic pewter]

that how i look irl

[lusty grotto]

😱

[torn gulch]

that's actually pretty legit

[waxen frigate]

oh 100%

its sick af

[torn gulch]

slender man

[south zealot]

what class is that

[lusty grotto]

what about this guy

[south zealot]

outlaw or frost right

[austere oar]

can you still block when channeling grieftorch ?

[waxen frigate]

rog

[lusty grotto]

sick too amirite

[south zealot]

dude slmeone actually said my mog looked good

and i didnt even mog half my gear

i cant tell if they were memeing or not bc it actually goes kinda hard

[celest grove]

hey guys, need some advice. I got Gholak with the first bullions, what should I buy next if I have the tainted trinket from s3?

[south zealot]

eranog ring, dreadplates, anvil for damage, grieftorch for damage, or all totem

theres a prio list in the pins as well

[austere oar]

is there a specific reason why eranog ring is prio 2

[south zealot]

theres many good trinkets but eranog ring is the only ring thats just free damage

[celest grove]

yea but isn't like only 1.5-2% dmg?

[lusty grotto]

so what

its a mythic ring

that you can buy

its not rng, you dont wait for a drop

you dont wait for vault

you can just have it

[dusky canopy]

Eggnog is the way

[austere oar]

can't this be said for basically any other item ?

[dusky canopy]

No

No other ring has free damage

Eggnog does

[south zealot]

its a 1 of 1 item

[lusty grotto]

can you buy any other myth ring with bullions?

[south zealot]

theres like 10 trinkets id say are good

and like 10 more id say are more than usable

if you want to buy a trinket over eranog ring, go for it

[austere oar]

no was just curious as the reason why its prio 2

but I get it, there's no other item like it but you can get plenty of trinkets

[torn gulch]

https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/1165487.jpg
that's just incredible flavour
rider of the apocalypse dk

[left trout]

That one on the side is a large lad

[torn gulch]

darion mograine

if i am not mistaken

[median tulip]

I mean yes, there's the other one of the pair from VotI

[left trout]

The shield ring

It's a lot of free shielding I've heard