protection

[jagged pier]

Just run enduring as a dps trinket and use on cd easy save of defensives thats way

[marble lagoon]

Yeah I have been using rageheart at the start of big pulls for damage and so I can get my defensives going

[waxen frigate]

Tru

I forgot to be in tank spec for my pug run where it dropped last week

[undone beacon]

depressing

I need to pony up the gold and invest in a flavor pocket and perma rune on my warr lol

[plush tendon]

theres no way flavor pocket is economically viable this late in the expansion

[median tulip]

I doubt the perma-rune is either

[undone beacon]

I've just been running without them and it hasnt been that big a deal

[plush tendon]

prob not

[marble lagoon]

If they upgraded food and runes every tier sure but not in season 4

[median tulip]

I've been running on the same AFP for ages; just recycling the same ring for the whole expansion

[plush tendon]

what is flavor pocket going for now anyways?

[marble lagoon]

Like 15k average in NA

[plush tendon]

oh, thats not bad

thought it be like 50k

[undone beacon]

yeah 14,460 rn

[median tulip]

11382 here

[plush tendon]

what is the cost of the food you buy?

[undone beacon]

It helps that since community feasts are back on the "you have to do these" rotation theres a lot more in circulation

also crashed the trophy necklace economy

[median tulip]

Feisty6 Fish Sticks are 12g each

[undone beacon]

2 gold per fish stick

oh damn y'alls is pricy

[plush tendon]

youd have to burn through 7000 fish sticks

to make it economically viable

[undone beacon]

I FUCKIN LOVE fish sticks I eat FISH STICKS all day

[marble lagoon]

Maaan I'm still paying 450g for corrupting rage flasks, I miss when they were 150

[plush tendon]

sorry, not 28000, 7000

my bad

[undone beacon]

I've just been using leftover feasts from the gbank since we have a fuck ton and we dont raid anymore

[median tulip]

I mostly like the flavour pocket because it means I can eat a feast on the last pull of the raid, and then have 3 M+ runs with +76 main stat

[plush tendon]

havnt finished my cofee

still, thats a lot of fish sticks

there is also a convinence factor

[marble lagoon]

I just buy 200 deviled eggs everything I need them

[plush tendon]

but 15k is chump change

[median tulip]

The "don't loose your food when you die" bit is the real godsend

[marble lagoon]

22g per for 76 main stat

[undone beacon]

swapping to pandaren to get the maximum benefit from flavor pocket

[undone beacon]

exactly

[marble lagoon]

Panda would be the only reason I would buy one

[median tulip]

2 hour long food buff is nice tho

[plush tendon]

apparently 10 carrys be selling for 800k right now

[marble lagoon]

Holy

[plush tendon]

I know what Ill be doing this weekend

[undone beacon]

just be an earthern and never eat again

[marble lagoon]

I need to get my key group selling

[undone beacon]

most convienent food option

[marble lagoon]

Yeah eat the tasty gems

[median tulip]

Earthen not being able to eat Main Stat feasts feels bad

[plush tendon]

some players just have so much gold

that they have no clue what to use it on

[undone beacon]

main stat is for chumps I eat rocks

[undone beacon]

they need to donate it to me

[plush tendon]

Earthern are fugly anyways

sorry not sorry

[marble lagoon]

800k is like what I have on my account

I could buy one 10

[plush tendon]

might be the worst new race theyve come out with

[median tulip]

Or you could just get good and run a 10

[marble lagoon]

That is what I do lol

[plush tendon]

sometimes it not about being good... some people just buy 10s cause they cant be bothered

[undone beacon]

I will die on the hill that allied races were a mistake and earthern are more of a mistake

[marble lagoon]

Just means I need to start selling to the people who buy 10 wow tokens for a few carrys

[median tulip]

Allied races should have been identical to the main race... except opposite faction. Dark Iron should have been Horde, for example.

[dusky canopy]

The mythic Fyrakk mount goes for 5m

[plush tendon]

same with Sark

[dusky canopy]

That’s how you know there’s way to much gold in the game

[marble lagoon]

Allied races racials to strong

[undone beacon]

they just should've made them customization options, like they did when the walked back eredar to just be a draenei customization

[plush tendon]

eh, not really

Nelf, Dwarf are the premier M+ races

Human is bonkers for dps (2% of all stats is crazy)

and Orc is the PVP race

[undone beacon]

I play a goblin

[dusky canopy]

5m is what like 500usd in wow tokens

Imagine

[marble lagoon]

Dwarfs have the best racials

Just clear bleeds and poisons like nothing

[plush tendon]

Meld does a similar thing

[undone beacon]

I love the dark iron aesthetic but alliance, blegh

[plush tendon]

but dont count human out; 10% rep gains (RIP in War Within)

now thats quality

[dusky canopy]

Wait 10% rep is getting yeeted!?

[onyx hearth]

Wait, human will lost it? Wtf

[plush tendon]

reps are becoming account bound

[marble lagoon]

Alliance just has the best everything it feels like, racials, portal room, warmode

[plush tendon]

they are getting something new

TBD

[dusky canopy]

Better be 10% increased damage from all sources instead

Fair trade

[undone beacon]

they dont have goblin rocket jump so

[onyx hearth]

Anything is worse than what will human lose

[undone beacon]

alliance stinky

[plush tendon]

Alliance was heavy buffed in WoD.... people still didnt go to Alliance since the community was strictly Horde. With faction restrictions gone, top players are hopping ship to the Alliance

there are also a lot of Horde players who were forced to play horde for content who can now go back Alliance

[marble lagoon]

I've been thinking of changing just for the portal room alone

[undone beacon]

half my guild swapped back to alliance as soon as they could haha

[dusky canopy]

I actually prefer horde city’s but human sims the best

[onyx hearth]

In classic was Horde PVP, alliance PVE

[median tulip]

My guild is like 1/3rd alliance, 1/3rd Horde, and 1/3rd Vulpera

[dusky canopy]

1/3rd Vulpera

[plush tendon]

I love Orgrimmar

[marble lagoon]

I just hate the portal room

[plush tendon]

The big courtyard in front of Warsong Hold

[undone beacon]

fuck vulpera, shoulda been kelfin instead

[dusky canopy]

Orgrimmar and Iron forge are easily the best city’s in the game

[median tulip]

I wish they would move all the portals up onto the heights

[plush tendon]

what a special place

[undone beacon]

Booty Bay best city

[onyx hearth]

I like the tauren city, orgrimmar looks like shit

[marble lagoon]

I can't go to booty bay tho

Thunder bluff needs a major overhaul imo

[median tulip]

Thunder Bluff is great, but deserted

[undone beacon]

bloodsail scum

[plush tendon]

its about the Courtyard! All the space where people be on their mounts outside the AH and bank

[undone beacon]

i wish booty bay had more relevance, i adore that city

[plush tendon]

and then right over the wall the best spot for 1v1 PVP

[dusky canopy]

I’d rather farm booty rep

[marble lagoon]

For me it's about where I can run laps lol

[dusky canopy]

[marble lagoon]

No fountain or circles = bad city

[plush tendon]

players figured out pretty quickly that they just need 1 city... everything else is just a way point

its why, imo, Dalaran is both the most vanilla and best city theyve made

just move that flying city to wherever we going blizz

[undone beacon]

👀

[median tulip]

I unironically love Valdrakken

[rigid edge]

I'd rather get myself some real booty tehehe

[undone beacon]

Valdrakken is nice, it feels like a city

[marble lagoon]

Thinking of dalaran makes me sad because of the next xpac

[plush tendon]

Valdrakken is way to spread out and so many spots that are just not visited

[median tulip]

Anything is better than Oribos, though

[plush tendon]

like the bullion vendor area.... has anyone gone there before this patch?

[dusky canopy]

Being married covers that front

[undone beacon]

just like my city

[median tulip]

I had, there was a quest with Wrathiion IIRC

[rocky crest]

Just a Quick question, Should I roll Enduring plat or Anvil for +m offensive trinkets - my defensive is Festering atm

[marble lagoon]

It's near the old spark crafting place

[rigid edge]

Haha for sure

[plush tendon]

if ya want to be wrapped in bubblewrap, Enduring and Festering would be the play

[median tulip]

Another city that I loed was Atal'dazar; that place was great because of the large parts of the city that weren't just green named NPCs. It had "city of adventure" vibes when you had to venture into the rough parts with the Gurubashi iin

[plush tendon]

prob not necessary, and honestly, for most keys I would run Enduring and Anvil

Festering is good, but its entirely overkill unless you be in some 17, 18, 19

[median tulip]

I'd run Anvil and Enduring myself

[marble lagoon]

Dazar'alor was just to inconvenient until pathfinder

[undone beacon]

loved the idea and vibe, hated having to fly between two areas to do basic shit

[median tulip]

To be fair I was playing Mage for much of that expansion

[lusty tiger]

Is prot war the tankiest tank this szn in m+?

[marble lagoon]

I think it's still VDH, but Prot War is close

[lusty tiger]

):

[rocky crest]

thanks for the answers

[rocky crest]

no extra save mechanics but only pure pure raw dps ya say

[median tulip]

Dead Enemies deal no damage, bro

[marble lagoon]

Rageheart does big damage and juicy absorb

If your friends die a lot you can run grieftorch, but if they don't you can do anvil or signet as your offensive

[rocky crest]

true dat, but I see alot of high end prot wars rolling with atleast 1 sometimes 2 defensive trinks

[urban portal]

in highest end keys, running more defensive trinkets means you can maybe grab 1 more mob

and thats just more dps for the group

[rocky crest]

Mhm.

[plush tendon]

its usually not best to look at what top end players are doing and mindlessly copy them... unless you are doing equal content to them

[rocky crest]

I am

doing 13/14's not 18 but it's not far off. Shit starts to hurt when you miss

your rotations etc

[median tulip]

Yeah, the top rank players are frequently stratregising for edge-cases and the vvery bleeding edge oof what's possible

[plush tendon]

no, the difference between a 13/14 is VERY different from a 18

[rocky crest]

it really ain't since afte 13-14 people avoid unwanted dmg and play properly instead of zug zug

[urban portal]

you take 60% more damage in a 18 vs a 14

[rocky crest]

I would say it's a stepping stone where you can see if you're capable of doing them or not. Hence why rotations etc is key

[urban portal]

theres much less avoidable damage for tanks

[marble lagoon]

If you're worried about that then go for Rageheart/treemouths

[undone beacon]

why would I want to rotate when im tanking then my back is turned to mobs

[urban portal]

you take 2 defensive trinkets in an 18 because you are getting blasted

[waxen frigate]

Are you running the same keys at top 5 warriors right now

[urban portal]

yeah

[waxen frigate]

Also 13s and 18s aren’t comparable

At all

[tired crystal]

What are we using to proc rings?

[waxen frigate]

Gholak, helmet enchant, shadowflame patch

[plush tendon]

I dont think shadowflame procs ring

does it?

[waxen frigate]

And any trinkets you might have

[waxen frigate]

All sources of fire damage do

[tired crystal]

Rocking plates and rageheart

[waxen frigate]

Rageheart should proc it pretty consistently alone

[tired crystal]

And Seal should be my second bullion 100% right?

[waxen frigate]

Idk what damage type plates are

[tired crystal]

Plates are shadowflame

[waxen frigate]

I would say yes with those trinkets

Those are very good

[nocturne vine]

What do you think of anvil + splinter?

[waxen frigate]

The anvil hardens

(I don’t like anvil or brand personally, but I can see how they’re good in theory)

[nocturne vine]

Seems like a very balanced combo

[plush tendon]

its fine

for most people, splinter is overkill

if you want a defensive trinket to go along with anvil, Dreadplate or Rageheart I think are better for the vast majority of players

as they are more hybrid and provide good defensive value

[violet ginkgo]

What about tips for conductive strike? I mean at first cast it's easy when he almost cast it I preemptively press spell reflect first but, on 2nd cast usually my spell reflect is not up, (like just 1-2 secs)

[plush tendon]

you have a 6 second buff time on Spell Reflect

you can press your first reflect sooner if its off by 2 seconds

or commit SW/Spell Block

[marble lagoon]

Mine is usually up for the 2nd and not the 3rd so I'm not sure

[nocturne vine]

I agree with you from a dps perspective, but at the end of the day, when pushing hard, isnt it better to survive as a tank?

[violet ginkgo]

I usually aim about 2,5 before cast, but eventually there is time when he already cast and my SR is not up for just 1-2 secs

just commit the spellblock then?

[plush tendon]

I frankly dont know how hard you are pushing

like, we going for title

[nocturne vine]

As much as i can

No no title

Just as far as i can

[plush tendon]

Splinter is very good def, but a lot of its value will probably go to waste if the key aint high enough

something like Rageheart does a similar thing (a little less of a shield) but also give damage

[marble lagoon]

This and shout or shield wall with shout usually work

[plush tendon]

Dreadplate is also sick; especially in high pull count scenarios

the thing is great mitagation and does solid damage

but if you are really pushing, theres a world where you have all those trinkets and hell, maybe you are forced to wear Ward of Faceless Ire

over any of these

[nocturne vine]

I never tried it ill give it a shot later in the exp if i dont drop it

The splinter shield is better imo for def purposes that heart

[plush tendon]

you should always have something up; if spell reflect aint up, ya gotta use either SW or Spell Block

[plush tendon]

it is, but again, getting full value is hard

like, Rageheart shield is still substantial

good thing is you can farm Splinter and maybe use 4/5/6 bullion on rageheart

so youll have all them to try and see what works best for you

its not really about whats better defensively; they both preform a similar role, but one also does damage. So the question really is, do I need the extra def from splinter or is it just going to waste and I would better off taking the less def option that does what I need and gives damage

[violet ginkgo]

to be fair I kind of like when we going awakened like this, sometimes clear option is quite boring.

that's why when I ask I always ask about "what is the strength and weakness of X trinket?"

[plush tendon]

they reworked a lot of these tank trinkets to not be actually ass

imagine if it was like this to start

[undone beacon]

I've been using the blazebinder hoof since I dont have something better and it seems to be going pretty dece

[plush tendon]

I would have loved to have any of these shield/mitagation trinkets back in Season 1 for Temple of Jade

but it is nice that there is a plethora of solid trinkets you can choose from

and no real right answer

[violet ginkgo]

I think we talked a lot on the channel about trinket combo for sure. I probably decide to Anvil + Dreadplate for M+ and Anvil+Aug for raid.

[undone beacon]

Next week im either buying an alltotem or praying one drops i thinks

[toxic pewter]

wild amount of bad dps around this season

[violet ginkgo]

well yeah kind of, some of them forget their defensive usually rather than damage issue.

[waxen frigate]

That’s a Dps loss bro

[daring bolt]

Spell reflect 3 seconds before 1st cast then us it on cd and then 3 seconds before 3rd and so on and you'll reflect every one and out dps everyone

you can click "count down" if you use big wigs and it'll count down till cast starts this helps you then just press when you see a big 3

[violet ginkgo]

seems like the conducting cd is coming faster compared to the SR sadly

[daring bolt]

you can reflect every one if you do as above

[ionic nimbus]

Dont forget, that RH doesnt give you Strength

[undone beacon]

whats the best way to sim as prot?

mainly for m+ play

[queen hemlock]

back in shadowlands s4 when protwarrior talents were released, did prot ever get to play with die by the sword?

[urban portal]

no

got removed in beta

[queen hemlock]

ah
fuckin shame

[plush tendon]

true; but I think the vers+trinket damage offset the no primary stat by a good margin

[waxen frigate]

I just sim 1t 5min for the most part still

You can certainly mix in 5t 5min, 5t 1:30, 1t 3min, etc

And get a more diverse sample of situations

[undone beacon]

I've been doing 5 min 5target haha

[plush tendon]

I would just trust the basic 1T 5Min sim

its close enough to the ideal for AoE

and ST is one of the most important damage profiles

[undone beacon]

gotcha

man i just wanted a quick 8 brackenhide between meetings and people just dont know how to do the first boss

so sad

[rapid jewel]

what is there to know? Only thing you need to do is kick a lot and kill totem.

[undone beacon]

the ret pally got targeted with the charge and decided instead of killing the totem he would flee the boss room

The next pull he just didnt move with the whirlwind?

Then the healer decided to stack on me and got cleaved and I was like, yeah gg

[night heron]

Hello! I understand from the pinned message that Enduring Alacrity always replaces Battering ram now, but if we want to take disrupting shout for M+, is it better to drop EA or Bloodsurge? I guess EA is better ST and BS is better AoE?

[undone beacon]

The consensus is to drop bloodsurge for disrupting

[night heron]

Alright, thanks mate!

[dusky canopy]

Anybody know how much secondary stat you gain from other peoples chromatic essence buffs?

Can’t find the awakened version on wowhead

[undone beacon]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=203729/ominous-chromatic-essence?bonus=1582:10418&class=1&ilvl=528&spec=73

78 apparently

[dusky canopy]

Ahh, thanks! Didn’t see the effect tab

[plush tendon]

its actually comical how many people dont know how to do that boss

[tribal wharf]

thta thing might as well read +1k haste

thats the majority how i used it in past

[humble schooner]

"This epic **trinket **of item level 418 goes in the "Trinket" slot." - Thanks Tips lol

[tribal wharf]

then again, we have RLP haste trinket as well

this season so

[hoary bough]

i don't get chargath 🤔 that boss has been a nightmare for me in terms of popping everything to barely survive, but then in one of the wipes there was only me and a dps left, so i just tanked him instead of kiting and i barely even needed a defensive -- have i been gaslit by the people who told me to kite him or is there something i'm missing

[south zealot]

you need to fight it to get rage

rage lets you heal and get your cds back

[leaden shard]

It used to be a kiting boss, now just facetank it (i’ve been doing demo shout + spellblock, demo shout + shield wall + last stand)

[south zealot]

the boss fucks but kiting isnt the way to do it

[hoary bough]

ty, the way my early pugs told me made it seem like the boss would just yeet the tank if it caught up, but it seems ye, just facetanking and moving him to the chains is the answer?

[urban bane]

i think he deals the fire damage whether or not you're kiting. and that's the big ouchie part

[leaden shard]

Depends if you have melee or ranged dps, if they can move freely, let them do it and just focus on survival, once comfy you can move him yourself

[leaden shard]

Think its a 500k fire based melee, which is why spellblock is useful asf against it

[ionic nimbus]

Chain Intermission is doing bleed dmg to the tank, thats why we get butfucked

[hoary bough]

i was also thinking that might be a good strat, just keeping him central, letting 2 pop insta, then the 3rd can pop after the debuff wears off?

[leaden shard]

Did that last night in a ++10, more than safe

[hoary bough]

nice, ty, suddenly i no longer fear the shit out of that boss

i was legit popping everything and still popping cheat when trying to kite it

[leaden shard]

Yeah i made that mistake week 1

[hoary bough]

but if i can stand still and just facetank, i just need like demo shout + 1 defensive

[urban bane]

oh right it can be parried too, so i guess it is classed as a melee!

[leaden shard]

The scary part is if your dps are smoothbrain and take like 15 seconds to do it

[hoary bough]

splinter was really strong on that fight too

[urban bane]

Good to know.

[leaden shard]

I had a hunter running away from the boss with the chain lol

[hoary bough]

ouch, luckily i haven't replaced my cheat yet, so that's a healer problem

i can live one very dicey intermission

[undone beacon]

Yeah they changed Chargath this season so kiting isnt the play

[hoary bough]

i'm so happy because neltharus is a fantastic dungeon outside of that boss, imo, i didn't play it S2, but the trash is so fun

[undone beacon]

I hate staring at djaradin feet all dungeon tho

[ionic nimbus]

Big Magmamammoth is shitty ... when SP or Owl is baiting the charge into the middle of kalimdor..

[hoary bough]

i like the giant pulls

it almost gives me ardenweald vibes

[hoary bough]

yeah, that's annoying af, but at least we have leap

i also like the mini-game on the 3rd boss for taking up as little space as possible with pools

[undone beacon]

i just have him throw me into the same pool and charge back

probably not as effective on higher keys but

[hoary bough]

i don't trust myself not to charge too early

theoretically though, it would make the pool in one place every time if i charged too early... just not a great place for it to be

[undone beacon]

I hadnt tanked it in S2 or whenever it was current so the first time I ran nelth this season you bet your ass there was fire under that anvil

[hoary bough]

i've always thought the circle was a meme with it being so easy to run out of, then yday i was half watching TV and got hit, YEESH, that thing took me down to like 10%

[crystal iris]

wait its dreadplates we want right? not Enduring scale haha

[hoary bough]

ye

i really want dreadplates, but that's another on use with my splinter 💀 i already had to bin nightborne racial

[undone beacon]

bin the splinter, dreadplates gang

[hoary bough]

i really want to try it, so i'm tempted

is it better than splinter or is it situational? feels like they fulfill different roles

[undone beacon]

dreadplates are better against dots and rot whereas splinter is better for bigger hits

Also dreadplates has a damage component whereas splinter is all defensive

[hoary bough]

i guess it's kind of a dungeon-based thing then

splinter feels so great in nelth with chains boss

but i can't think of too many times when i get hit by really rough hits

in the other dungies

[undone beacon]

I have both and I've preferred plates so far

There hasnt been a situation where plates have failed but splinter would've worked

I just wish my plates had leech like my splinter does smh

[hoary bough]

my other trinket atm is cheat that i want to replace, so really double on use wouldn't be bad for me if i could make kb space

[undone beacon]

add more keybinds ez

[hoary bough]

i'm a boomer now, adding a new kb is painful

[plush tendon]

you get both trinkets

they both are strong; and can be a preferance

[thin silo]

Keep one on KB, macro the other to a weaker defensive
Not optimal but better than forgetting about it

[plush tendon]

the write ups on the wowhead article sum them up nicely

[hoary bough]

fair

think i'll just try and add a kb and suffer until it becomes muscle memory

adding it to a weaker defensives feels like something that might work with weak trinkets, but with really strong trinkets, it's really wasteful

like if enduring dreadplate is like a dmg immunity for 15s, pairing it with any other defensive completely wastes that defensive

[plush tendon]

100%

just add it to your general CD rotation

or, just choose whichever you like better and grab a passive trinket

and keep the other in your bags

both are easy enough to get

[hoary bough]

ye, think i'm just gonna add a kb

run both for maximum immortality

[patent sedge]

kb?

[vital plinth]

keybind

[patent sedge]

oh haha a

i am stupid :'

[vital plinth]

dude did say he was a boomer

[fossil hull]

hey, just logged back my war since months, what to do with bullions pls ?

[jagged pier]

[crystal iris]

Ok Brackenhyde is super fun

but god damn I spend the whole key fighting for my life to get aggro on these fkn Lashers

its SO annoying

[violet ginkgo]

Have you try checking the pin maybe or the "updates dragonflight"?
If not maybe a good time to check it

[crystal iris]

can they not just have then spawn with the same aggro table as the tree?

same with the treemouth boss the adds spawn WAY out on ranged and if I jump out there the frontal takes someone out

[toxic pewter]

I have seen some dps sort of come in a bit closer on treemouth to drop adds near tank

its pretty helpful

[crystal iris]

I ask them to but they dont always

[fossil hull]

they're not sort by date i stopped at 2023 kekw ty

[mystic radish]

Still ITF at about 5.5k haste? 🙂

[violet ginkgo]

You can say so

[south zealot]

dreadplates is probably bis

just because its so good offensively and defensively

[livid onyx]

what do i get from bulions if i have weapon and trinkets already? for m+

[undone beacon]

my pugs never come in, they run AWAY with the lashers. Pain in the ass

[undone beacon]

what trinkets do you have?

[livid onyx]

dreadplate from normal and granyth's enduring scale

[south zealot]

what trinkets do you have

oh pash just asked that hahahah my bad

[undone beacon]

Granyths is not a great trinket

[south zealot]

id buy a max ilvl dreadplate personally

but if you dont want to do that, go for eranog ring

[grim pilot]

eranog ring is big

[south zealot]

you could also buy an anvil to go with your dreadplate for huge damage

[undone beacon]

Eranog ring or All-totem if you're mainly doing m+

[south zealot]

or an all totem as well

[grim pilot]

if you can keep uptime on your anvil

[undone beacon]

I do love me some all-totem

[south zealot]

for a passive option

[grim pilot]

it'll do as "little" as 5%

and as high as 11%

so its massive

[rigid edge]

Is the debuff from Cataclysmic Signet Brand noticeable?

[livid onyx]

soo its finger then ^^ thanks

[undone beacon]

yuhh

[south zealot]

i need to bug anvil

buy

[south zealot]

but i have to buy gholak first

[grim pilot]

man im telling u anvil is the shit

[south zealot]

[grim pilot]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AbVBDG3xWqjhQXtg#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=1

and this is one of my lower %

[south zealot]

i have a normal mode gholak, dont really wanna wait 3 weeks to upgrade it

[undone beacon]

I bought gholak and then eranog ring, my leggo can rot in my bag

[rigid edge]

I got Cata off a raid just now haha just need to get Anvil now

[undone beacon]

I got a champion Gorehowl so I just use that when Arms calls

[violet ginkgo]

#protection message

[south zealot]

anvil owns

[grim pilot]

I had it do

11% in 1 key

[south zealot]

fuck man maybe i just buy it before gholak

wait maybe i get one from heroic raid

[grim pilot]

xdd

[south zealot]

[grim pilot]

we get new bullion next week

either way

[south zealot]

yeah but if i get heroic weapy

i can buy anvil

then i have my 4 turbo items and i win

[grim pilot]

or that

[south zealot]

hopefully krotos doesnt need it

[grim pilot]

u gonna tank in raid?

or just in keys

tanking in raid is 😴

[pallid quiver]

Tanking in raid's a lot funnier when you slightly fuck up, but not enough to just instantly die tho

[south zealot]

hust keys

just

i got told my opinion didnt matter until i was top 10 prot warrior io

need to grind

[grim pilot]

on god

@strong forum 's opinion doesnt matter

[jagged pier]

tru tru

[crystal iris]

why is diurnas ring a second pick for us with bullion?

If I dont have Golaks and rageheart, im not really doing fire damage

[undone beacon]

You also have helm enchant and shadowflame patches

Its a rare drop with free damage attached to it

so its better than basically any other ring haha

[south zealot]

gholak is first item

[undone beacon]

yeah if you dont have gholak spend the bullions on that

[crystal iris]

I offspec prot I wont have gholak for a while

Ive got double time

[strong forum]

its a priority list

not a, you if you already spent the first bullion, you get the 2nd item on the list-list

[crystal iris]

fair enough

where should I craft shadowflame if I play all 3 specs? I've got vers wrists

[grim pilot]

cloak

[jagged pier]

do raid get it on hc

[grim pilot]

or belt or boots

whatever will be biggest upgrade once crafted generally

[crystal iris]

Cant decide if I want to loot spec prot or arms for augury or rageheart / gholak

[south zealot]

probably not cloak if tou offspec dps, can use sark cloak

[crystal iris]

im thinking boots

I would do BSL on neck but ive got a myth neck

[south zealot]

boots is fine

[crystal iris]

ill see which item i have with worse stats

belt is vers mastery actually i might do that

[violet ginkgo]

but you have helmet enchant right?

[undone beacon]

wont make much of a dif but yeah

[prisma crane]

what did i do???

[south zealot]

i want you to not need fyrakk weapon if it drops

[amber surge]

im assuming wrist+bsl crafters are arms mains yeah?

[south zealot]

so i can save bullions

[prisma crane]

gholak? i have it from bullions, all yours

[jagged pier]

got mine yesterday for someone not pushing or raiding this season

[storm ravine]

What could I do here if I wanted to take Disrupting Shout?

[jagged pier]

bloodsurge

[south zealot]

oh hell yeah

[prisma crane]

drop talent next to rend, bloodsurge, yea

[jagged pier]

but really make sure u get the value out of dsirupting

dont just take it because other ppl are u really have to get value out of it and generally 99% of the time ppl arent getting the value out of it

so its better just to use bloodsurge

[prisma crane]

tbh i'm probably just gonna get all my shit from bullions lol, unless we can start doing mythic asap, really hoping i can save 2 and natty get the eranog ring

[storm ravine]

Yeah I like it and usually my friends are not very good at kicking so I usually have it on cd

At least till they get the hang on the game

[jagged pier]

right but for instance are u using int shout

instead

because we had someone the other day that didnt use it

[prisma crane]

my fear is always on CD >.<

[jagged pier]

then linked a log where they did use int shout, but then didnt interrupt anything with disrupting

[prisma crane]

i actually hate that its on the same DR as stuns, makes no sense

[storm ravine]

oh yeah the fear yeah

in this case for algethar do you think I might be okay with just Int and Shockwave?

[south zealot]

wait is it really

it can be immuned bc of stun dr?

[jagged pier]

im almost certain its not

as my fear always works

[prisma crane]

it used to be 100%, maybe they've changed it, idk

[jagged pier]

but pugs be pugs

and dont stun

🤷

[prisma crane]

yea i mean if they dont stun at all DR isnt an issue

[south zealot]

yeah i didnt buy gholak week 1, bc i got a normal one natty so hopefully i can get a heroic one natty this week lol

[prisma crane]

my problem is everyone uses EVERYTHING on the first stop and we just eat everything for the next 15 sec

[south zealot]

or they use all their cc on the first cast

[jagged pier]

well thaqt too

[prisma crane]

in 99.9% of cases yes

[jagged pier]

but taking disrupting in pugs is also bad because how many times do u press SR and the mob still gets stunned or intuprted

[prisma crane]

i dont wanna talk about that

[jagged pier]

u use disrupting u probs gunna eat more stuns and intuprts as well

but if u want to play it play it

[prisma crane]

hands down best way to make sure that people interrupt is to pray for a SR

[storm ravine]

I will drop Disrupting for bloodrage

[prisma crane]

i even macrod "s/ reflecting" to SR and it gets kicked constantly

[jagged pier]

like disrupting has one purpose, and thats to enable a pull or pulls you wouldnt be able to do without it. if thats what your using it for then great

if its not u really need to think if you are getting the value out of it

and from the logs ive seen

no one really is who claims its great for pugs

[prisma crane]

i could see the appeal, but i still dont take it

[jagged pier]

but again if you want to play it and feel like it does something take it

[prisma crane]

in a pug enviro*

[jagged pier]

but thats what ppl say as to why they take it

i need it in pugs

which by all evidence i have seen so far is incorrect

like they use it to stop something when they have pummel off cd or SR off cd or int shout off cd or storm bolt of cd etc

or just straight up dont use another stop they have

so they waste another talent point

🤷

[prisma crane]

i think the logic is: a cast killed someone > one extra interrupt would have saved them > i need extra interrupt

when a full talent for like 2 interrupts isnt the problem

[jagged pier]

tru but the person who died 99.9% of the time

could have stopped that cast them selves

[prisma crane]

i just wish it was a silence so we could actually group mobs better

[jagged pier]

or used a defensive

[jagged pier]

thats also another thing ppl take the talent then say they use it like that or for aggro

[prisma crane]

to be fair, blizz's UI is fucking awful for knowing if a random cast is on the tank or a dps

[jagged pier]

so just waste the talent point anyway

[south zealot]

i wiped to last boss in uldaman 3 times today before people realized you have to use a defensive at the start

[prisma crane]

yea, misunderstanding for sure

[jagged pier]

there are WAs ppl have to tell them spells are cast at them

[jagged pier]

[prisma crane]

yea but average players shouldnt need a WA or dont have that specific one, DBM or something just needs to add it to the core

[jagged pier]

that is tru

and theres lots bliz could do to fix that for sure

[prisma crane]

anything for clarity

[jagged pier]

but if a dps dies with a stun or inturpt up and a cast went off

its on them

as much as its on u

[prisma crane]

they just need to hire people who make stuff like plater, bartender, and dbm/bigwigs and just bake it all into base

[jagged pier]

why higher them when majority of players use them

and u dont need to pay the devs?

[prisma crane]

because its probably not the majority tbh

[south zealot]

they just ripped premade group finder or whatever

[prisma crane]

majority of ppl here for sure

[south zealot]

so its a process they are working on

[prisma crane]

but overall, F for doubt

[south zealot]

hopefully

[jagged pier]

i think most ppl u see in like a +8 abd up which is the lvl of key we are talking about

have stuff like that

or have like a streamers ui

[prisma crane]

you'd hope, yea

[amber surge]

that is wildly optimistic

[prisma crane]

hell i see a lot of people who dont even use dmg meters, at all

[south zealot]

not having details is crazy

even if you dont use it for damage

[jagged pier]

not really i dont know how bad players are, and they go to the top players and just copy or buy the ui without understanding what its showing u

[south zealot]

just seeing how you died is really important to learning

the blizz death recap is awful

[jagged pier]

like even yogis ui isnt base ui

just remeber that

and we didnt make him change it

[prisma crane]

i need to completely fix mine, its a mess, my bindings are shit too

and i use 99% default for UI

[jagged pier]

well i believe we gave pointers after the first time we saw it

but it wasnt completely base

most ppl have something like spell trackers etc

they just dont look at them

but anyway we gone far off the original point

you drop bloodsurge for disrupting but make sure you are actually getting value from disrupting otherwise its just a waste and u loose like 11-12% rage gen

[prisma crane]

i love tangents

[jagged pier]

now

[south zealot]

yeah dropping bloodsurge feels pretty damn bad, atleast for me

[prisma crane]

night!

[south zealot]

so get big value

[prisma crane]

btw @jagged pier saw someone playing a warr w/ ur name yesterday thought for a second it was you

[lusty grotto]

was me

(:

[prisma crane]

fr?

[lusty grotto]

no

lol

[prisma crane]

lol

[lusty grotto]

[prisma crane]

was gonna message but then i just didnt care, plus the gear was shit so i assumed it wasnt

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/big-oof-size-small-medium-switch-gif-17355313

were they EU?

i thought you were NA krotos

or at least i always thought you were lol

[prisma crane]

i am, i also forgot he's EU

i just assume everyone is NA until i know better, even though here its probably safer to do that the other way around lol

[lusty grotto]

lol

[jagged gust]

I'm NA who moved to EU who still uses NA servers

[prisma crane]

[brave scarab]

What are the BIS defensive trinkets. Im a noob prot and my friends makes me tank

[lusty grotto]

wowhead

[south zealot]

enduring dreadplate and splinter from brackenhide

[brave scarab]

Thanks

[gritty tartan]

is this trink worth for tanks ? or garbo ?

[south zealot]

its fine

theres just better options

not garbo not great

[undone beacon]

It’s alright, basically just a stat stick

Not worth spending a bullion on imo but fine as a natty drop

[gritty tartan]

i see, great to read that, the only heroic trinket i got from the raid, and the others one that i have is still low ilvl

[bleak breach]

Augury is the one you want, but just spend your 3rd lot of bullions on it if you want it. Goodluck getting it from raid

[south zealot]

not really

augury is aight

[urban portal]

Oce is decent if you also play dps

[strong forum]

NO SHOOOOT

@grim pilot

the 300k dps AA i did...

i...

had only 3pc equipped..

i was missing so much damage

[toxic pewter]

Dang lol

[dusky canopy]

LOL

guy still did 300k btw

[tribal wharf]

oh god thats cursed

what in the jesus fuck

[south zealot]

LMAOO

[tribal wharf]

its time the purge the heretics

[loud light]

what should we be crafting this season

also I've used my bullions to purchase fyrakks ragehart so far, what's next

[south zealot]

gholak

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/1GhyjPu.png

i love anvil

shit crits so hard

[south zealot]

shield/2x shadowflame pieces

boots/belt/cloak/bracers

any of those

[loud light]

thanks yall

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/YvK9HmE.png

yep anvil is fun

[pallid quiver]

you're fun

gottem

[lusty grotto]

uh oh

nimchipadin gets the most ridic tanks

no shield charge lul

no ED lul

BSV 😢

[waxen frigate]

blizz told him to take it

[south zealot]

why do healers think i care about their mana

figure it out man its not my problem

[waxen frigate]

HOW ARE YOU OOM

HOW ARE YOU OOM

[south zealot]

not like theyre doing any damage either

so idk what they are going oom to

19k dps is crazy

[strong forum]

spamming chain heal

spamming damage as resto doesnt make you oom

spamming chain heal however will turbo drain your mana

[lusty grotto]

i have a fresh log for BSV

at least

oh

weird

my log is borked

[south zealot]

it works??

oh

[lusty grotto]

idk

we'll see i guess

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a:KqBtCyZpRA4bYjLH#boss=-3&difficulty=0&type=resources&source=1&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24139223641.0.0.Warrior%24false%24386397

still bugged as fuck

hmmr

lmao

what a joke of a talent

more specifically

i guess this one is accurate

[south zealot]

whats wrong with this

[lusty grotto]

nothing

its working as intended in that first one

cast 2

still bugged

[cursive jacinth]

Hey all, Supposed to grab Diurna ring however how is fire damage triggerd?

does shadowflame work?

[cursive jacinth]

So both the weapon and embelisment can trigger it. Cooll Thank you

[lusty grotto]

those and more

[kind urchin]

Helm enchant also.

[lusty grotto]

another bugged trigger

[kind urchin]

Nvm I see you had a pic of it.

[lusty grotto]

LITERALLY AT 90% + hp

so yeah

talent is still garbage

the other triggers, he didnt drop below 50% hp

at all

the only one that worked as it should was the first one

[toxic pewter]

Truly wild

[strong forum]

its almost as if it proc pre-mit, mixed with somewhere between armor and block and absorb mixed with spaghetti

[lusty grotto]

yeah basically it didnt change

[median tulip]

Garbage talent

[lusty grotto]

hey nome maybe you could make an article called "why BSV is never taken: literal trash"

in wowhead

[south zealot]

holy moly i did the 300 number

sheeesh

[lusty grotto]

[south zealot]

wait

wtf

i dotn autolog aa

but i autolog every other dungeon

[lusty grotto]

chipadin is averaging 420 in AA

rookie numbers for chipadin, too much slax

[south zealot]

which one we thinkin here

[lusty grotto]

what a number though

idk im probably grabbing eonar's

[south zealot]

hmm

[lusty grotto]

but lariat might slap

maybe later on if im still playing

[south zealot]

oh im just desparate for haste so i was looking at items i had in my bag lol

[lusty grotto]

yeah same

[south zealot]

wait dude

i find a cheat code

i can craft a blue item with a whelping crest

[lusty grotto]

eonar is just such a banger neck

but i would have to pug myth nymue and idk about that lmaoo

not a hard fight, i love it but pugging it is ehhh

[south zealot]

its good but

i dont have full shield block uptime with into the fray

its like actually dangerous in any relevant key

i cooked

[lusty grotto]

[onyx vessel]

Use heavy repercussions

[bleak breach]

Neck off Zaqali assault similar stats and much easier to pug otherwise

[lusty grotto]

yeah

i just didnt do mythic that week

except on chipadin

[olive rock]

522 ilvl forgestorm or Gholak

?

[pallid quiver]

gholak puts forgestorm in the dumpster

in every scenario

[grim pilot]

I did whole heroic run on wed on my dh like that

Picked 528 legs in vault and equipped bc same tier set

[strong forum]

I only noticed cuz I did droptimiser sim and it said heroic chest was a 35k dps upgrade

💀

So I was like

[onyx vessel]

Thunderclap dmg

[bleak breach]

I haven’t worried about any mythic yet this tier, but might start to. Everything has seemed so trivial so far. We walked through heroic last week with a group average ilvl of like 490

Just hard to get motivated with there being no real gain this season

[dusky canopy]

Thats it!?!

pfft

[pallid quiver]

I'm hours late, but this, ye

I find it hard to go oom in dungeons

unless i'm enha, then it can be pretty easy sometimes

[mystic radish]

How good is the passive?
Having just 4.6k haste feels trash.
Could switch it with.
Or just sim it?

[lusty grotto]

the passive doesnt matter

[mystic radish]

Oh well.
thought the passive is quiet nice tho 😄 thats why I rolled on it ^^

[lusty grotto]

it does absolutely nothing

[mystic radish]

Oh okay. So its just "BIS" because of the stats at perfect gear okay 😄

tyvm

[lusty grotto]

yeah its high ilvl from a bullion

thats about it

i wouldnt touch that on a drop though

i dont wanna piss off any monks or ret pals

the mythic version though...

[mystic radish]

Luckily I just got in on hc. Dropped mythic yesterday and I rolled with BIS on it because somehow thought the passive is the reason why we take this weird neck :d

[lusty grotto]

nah i wouldnt take it heroic

like i said

[mystic radish]

yeah switched it already. It just doesnt feel right having this little haste 😄

[lusty grotto]

[pseudo matrix]

Is prot actually good now after buffs or am i just inhaling copium

[jagged pier]

it was good before the buffs

its just not VDH

[visual plume]

Why can the prot warrior sim not even use whirlwind if you want it to :(

[jagged pier]

because u dont use it as prot

even if u want too

its a dps loss

so theres no point in putting it in the sim

[visual plume]

See

I understand your point

But I raise you

It can use slam

Just not whirlwind

[jagged pier]

it might be able to use slam but im pretty sure it doesnt

[visual plume]

It does not

I'm just messing with custom APL's

Testing procs and whatnot

And prot warrior not being able to whirlwind is really annoying

[jagged pier]

well even with a custom APL u shouldnt be using slam or WW

so it shouldnt be annoying

if there is a case where u want to use ither in the list generally probably better to get it to just wait till it can do something else

[visual plume]

Look

I will be completely real with you here

I need my APL to be able to use whirlwind, because it's higher dps than slam and my sim can't use revenge because it's using a dagger

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/shock-gif-25165862

yer i cant help with that

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-homer-disappears-bush-hiding-gif-3377649

[visual plume]

Yeah that's fine, it's just a bit sad

[pallid quiver]

Jakey got blindsided today

[jagged pier]

i fucking did you know

i have so many questions liek why dagger when rage is standardised so theres no need for dagger naymore it aint more rage

[visual plume]

Shield slam procs and Devastator damage

[jagged pier]

but ill let kyoudo do what they want they are on a different lvl

[pallid quiver]

he's found a way to fuse the old ways with the new

[ionic fern]

What's the issue?

[visual plume]

I mean nick of time outsims Gholak by 1k without any special APL, which means presumably it's outsimming without even using a damage spender

[visual plume]

Prot warrior sim literally cannot use Whirlwind

[jagged pier]

#protection message not a long conversation but it will catch u up

[visual plume]

I'm just bored before pathfinder and decided to do some skitzocrafting

[ionic fern]

Show the APL.

[visual plume]

This just super basic one I slapped together whilst stealing a bit here and there from the official Warrior one

actions=flask,name=iced_phial_of_corrupting_rage
# Otherwise, use Elemental Potion of Ultimate Power
actions+=/potion,name=elemental_potion_of_ultimate_power_3,if=buff.avatar.up|buff.avatar.up&target.health.pct<=20
# Augment Rune
actions+=/augmentation,name=draconic_augment_rune
# Food
actions+=/food,,type=feisty_fish_sticks
# Battle Stance
actions+=/battle_stance,toggle=on
# Otherwise, start autoattacking if not done already
actions+=/auto_attack
# Charge on pull
actions+=/charge,if=time=0
# Otherwise, upkeep Shield Block
actions+=/shield_block,if=buff.shield_block.remains<2
# Use Ignore Pain if over 95 Rage
actions+=/ignore_pain,if=target.health.pct>=20&(rage.deficit<=15&cooldown.shield_slam.ready|rage.deficit<=40&cooldown.shield_charge.ready&talent.champions_bulwark.enabled|rage.deficit<=20&cooldown.shield_charge.ready|rage.deficit<=30&cooldown.demoralizing_shout.ready&talent.booming_voice.enabled|rage.deficit<=20&cooldown.avatar.ready|rage.deficit<=45&cooldown.demoralizing_shout.ready&talent.booming_voice.enabled&buff.last_stand.up&talent.unnerving_focus.enabled|rage.deficit<=30&cooldown.avatar.ready&buff.last_stand.up&talent.unnerving_focus.enabled|rage.deficit<=20|rage.deficit<=40&cooldown.shield_slam.ready&buff.violent_outburst.up&talent.heavy_repercussions.enabled&talent.impenetrable_wall.enabled|rage.deficit<=55&cooldown.shield_slam.ready&buff.violent_outburst.up&buff.last_stand.up&talent.unnerving_focus.enabled&talent.heavy_repercussions.enabled&talent.impenetrable_wall.enabled|rage.deficit<=17&cooldown.shield_slam.ready&talent.heavy_repercussions.enabled|rage.deficit<=18&cooldown.shield_slam.ready&talent.impenetrable_wall.enabled)|(rage>=70|buff.seeing_red.stack=7&rage>=35)&cooldown.shield_slam.remains<=1&buff.shield_block.remains>=4&set_bonus.tier31_2pc,use_off_gcd=1
# Otherwise, use Grieftorch
actions+=/use_item,name=manic_grieftorch
#Otherwise, Shield Slam with tier31_2pc
# Otherwise, use Ravager
actions+=/ravager
# Otherwise, use Avatar
actions+=/avatar
# Otherwise, use Demoralizing Shout
actions+=/demoralizing_shout
# Otherwise, use Shield Charge
actions+=/shield_charge
# Otherwise, use Thunderous Roar
actions+=/thunderous_roar
# Otherwise, Shield Slam
actions+=/shield_slam
# Otherwise, Thunder Clap
actions+=/thunder_clap
# Otherwise, Execute
actions+=/execute,if=rage>40
# Otherwise, whirlwind
actions+=/whirlwind```

Throwing in a Whirlwind action for Arms and fury works fine obviously, since they already use it

Long story short, I was hoping to piece together a full APL that is functionally identical to the default Prot Warrior one, but with Whirlwind instead of Revenge

Just kinda got stopped before I could even try

[ionic fern]

Could be, ya.

I think it's called by spec.

And don't think we added WW for Prot.

You can do it if you want to - just wasn't done since WW is useless for Prot.

[urban portal]

i thought any 1h can use revenge

including daggers

[visual plume]

Nah, any except daggers

[urban portal]

can you link this sim

that doesnt sound right

[steep condor]

if you have s3 tier set do you just the s3 build or did something change?

[urban portal]

theres no way nick of times 3-4% proc outweighs not having main stat

[visual plume]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cDBSuDJjkYaJvfxPNgMZCB

[urban portal]

just have 2 options: 1 with nick of time and 1 with gholak

this is way too much stuff

[visual plume]

Here

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eW8Hvv3fL8av2VDKVz2FFx

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k92tm1Bf8J1dSiE4DrpswG

[jagged pier]

i mean something is wrong with your simming cause prots simming 270k right now at top gear which is looks like your trying to replicate

[urban portal]

time strike is 0.6% dps

hungering shadowflame is 3.4% dps

[visual plume]

I'm not simming for absolute mega BiS gear

[urban portal]

theres definitely something wrong with the sims

also trinkets are diffy

[visual plume]

Just mostly what I am looking to have with the end of the tier

[jagged pier]

i mean apart from embelishments

u pretty much have the bis gear list there

🤷

[visual plume]

Oh

Neat I guess

Aight, fixed the trinkets

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aXFrwbzUycpvBeeXyTvPKv

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2FywLuu2nT7DxBDXiRJ4XK

I've got no clue how to actually make an APL, but I imagine the nick of time one may be even higher if it was using a damage spender

As it stands atm, because it can't use revenge, it just has no damage spender

[jagged pier]

it wouldnt u would get more damage just sending on IP for fevid bite procs honestly

cause WW doesnt even proc SS and does less damage than revenge

and costs more rage

u might as well just save the rage for the 90% proc chance

[urban portal]

jakey any idea on why dagger is simming higher with no main stat

and the proc is only 0.6% damage

is the attack speed really that powerful

[jagged pier]

i dont know

[visual plume]

Well

I have an idea

[urban portal]

im not seeing anything wrong with it

[jagged pier]

hes using double masteyr emblishments

that will increase AP i guess

🤷

[urban portal]

you are also only getting 9 more shield slams in 6 minutes

thats not a lot

[visual plume]

Dagger

Gholak

Sim isn't normalising rage gen?

[urban portal]

that could be it

[jagged pier]

🤷

[urban portal]

dagger is doing significantly more fervid damage

[jagged pier]

as i said earlier i think theres something wrong in the sims but im not a sim master so no clue

[urban portal]

while rest of it is equal

about equal

[rigid hull]

when should i prio thunder clap over shield slam?

[jagged pier]

never

if u mean with outburst

on +7 targets

but honestly

just send on SS for the rage

[rigid hull]

i see

these are my casts

i guess it looks right?

its a neltarus 11

except i did somtin diffrent this time and priod clap in aoe

[south zealot]

looks good on rotational spells

[rigid hull]

pof

g

[jagged pier]

could cast SW more than 5 times as it has a 1 min cd

[rigid hull]

oh ye

[jagged pier]

but apart from that its fine

[rigid hull]

taking no damage but ye u are right

[visual plume]

Ty anyways friends, just a bit of fun messing around with sims

[rigid hull]

what is this

dps chart for tanks?

[jagged pier]

sims

for tanks on ST

[rigid hull]

whats the ranking looking rn after war buffs

is warrior top 1 overalll?

[jagged pier]

that is after the buff

and only in ST

with WF

[rigid hull]

i see

[jagged pier]

and bis gear

[south zealot]

could use all defensives more

[pallid quiver]

would be nice to get it over the ret pallies in pug raids 🙂

[jagged pier]

i mean u should always have it in any raids pretty much

[pallid quiver]

but tanks don't do dps, jakey, why would they get windfury?

[jagged pier]

cause the dps increase even befroe the changes we were one of the highest dps increases in the game with it

see ppl say that

[pallid quiver]

pug life is pain

[jagged pier]

then u send them the WF sim

and see prot like 3wrd highest

so its the highest dps for the raid

[pallid quiver]

Though to be fair, it's harder to even get a windfury group set up; I ask all the time on my enhancement and they're like, "here, have 4 demo locks"

[jagged pier]

pets

[pallid quiver]

why would a demo lock have a pet out, jakey? what are they, the pet focused version of one of the two pet classes in the game?

[south axle]

hey guys , new as prot war i don't have a lot damage and i have some trouble with aggro at pull

some advice for me?

503 ilvl

[jagged pier]

cant really give u advice without seeing what your doing and to do that we would need a video or logs

[grizzled sonnet]

Hi gang, quick question. I play prot in M+ and raid as Arms, what bullions would be best? I've currently bought eranogs ring, and was fortunate enough to get given HC Fyrak 1 handed wep so dont need to purchase that either. Also 2 will be spent on legendary (When it drops). Thanks in advance 🙂

[jagged pier]

i mean i would just buy what u need for arms honestly

it will fit prot just fine

[grizzled sonnet]

Thanks mate

[stoic smelt]

i too struggle with this x.x I do good damage but aggro on pull is alway an issue lol

[unkempt cargo]

Between cataclysmic signet trinket, all totem of the masters and augury, which one would u guys prefer paired with fyark tank trinket. Abit unsure myself since I’m primarily focus on m+. And how much dps is the difference between augury n signet?

[jagged pier]

what lvl keys u doing?

[south zealot]

id use all totem, but if i had the choice id use none of those 4 trinkets personally

[unkempt cargo]

Mostly like 4-10, maybe 11-12 but nothing too high

[jagged pier]

then augury and signet

signet and all totem if u want a defensive trinket

[pallid quiver]

oh shoot that reminds me that i should go grab the worn doll

i was literally just chuckling to myself about the damage signet can do ezpz in ulda with how easy it is to keep stacks

thanks guys for reminding me

[unkempt cargo]

Thanks 🙏

[hot willow]

Hello, going to take my 2nd billion item, i see that diurna is recommended, but i also see that a very few ppl are using it in m+ compare to raid. I dont raid with my prot, just m+, i diurna ring still a go to ?

[ionic fern]

Yes. It's still a ring with higher item level and an free effect.

You can buy it slightly later as well if you wish to.

I'll probably go for a trinket with this bullion since my trinket luck has been abmyssal while ring rng decent.

[hot willow]

yeah my trinket are trash too, guess i'll go for a defensive one cause i'm a beginner tank dont thinking on dps for the moment.

will go for a trinket so ty

[cunning inlet]

Does anyone know how to get the rez bracers to work with Vuhdo?

[tired surge]

hey folks, wanted to ask about the self damage from Gholak, is it any significant?

[jagged pier]

no

[tidal crane]

Anyone here that also plays or has played a monk tank recently ?
How would you compare it to other tank classes like warrior. Is it complex, lots of buttons to press, buffs and debuffs to track ?
But above all (even though we all have our tastes) do you find it fun ?

[pallid quiver]

Prot War's got a good bit less buttons than Brew, and you really only track your CDs, Violent Outburst, and Shield Block uptime.

the last one is relatively trivial to maintain, tbh

Where Prot War really takes up is that it's particularly high APM and relatively frantic in comparison to most tank specs. You constantly have to spend rage, off GCD even using Ignore Pain, in order to not waste any resources and cycle your main abilities.

The more you press your buttons, the more they come off CD, meaning you get to press your buttons more, so they come off CD more, etc

[waxen frigate]

Pwarr is much higher APM and more ‘frantic’ than brew, which is extremely rhythmic and steady

Less actual rotational buttons but you’re hitting like 4 abilities with over 10cpm vs brew’s 2. And brew is hardlocked to a 1sec gcd

[waxen frigate]

I play a lot of brew. It’s my main, I’m usually high on the leaderboards

I think brew is one of the best specs in the game in terms of rotational feel and fits it’s class identity perfectly

It feels like a lot but once you settle into the rhythm it’s like an eye in the storm vibe

It’s much different defensivelythan pwarr as it’s more of an up and down Hp and constant damage, whereas prot is just a fuckin brick wall

In terms of tracking buffs/debuffs, there’s not a ton. Charred passions if you play it, RJW if you play it, blackout combo, and purified chi

[unkempt hazel]

pta

[waxen frigate]

🔫

[unkempt hazel]

I do love that it's an option

[waxen frigate]

It’s shit unfortunately

They gutted it so hard on ptr

And it’s just never recovered

[unkempt hazel]

when?

[waxen frigate]

Original ptr

For 10.2.5

[pallid quiver]

nish smarter than me

[unkempt hazel]

🤔

[waxen frigate]

1.5*

When it first came out

[pallid quiver]

I read it the opposite way in that they were asking about War, not monk

[waxen frigate]

It was insane on ptr

[waxen frigate]

Warrior brain vs monk brain

[unkempt hazel]

tbf I dont think it should ever be better than woo

[waxen frigate]

You could hit an RSK for like 2mil with original pta

And that’s in s2 gear

[unkempt hazel]

but is it rly that far behind if u play u utilize it well

[pallid quiver]

i can't even deny the allegations this time

[waxen frigate]

Yes

Lol

[unkempt hazel]

[waxen frigate]

In single target you lose your highest Dps ability by taking it

Plus the loss of the WoO damage amp

In exchange for a much weaker constant amp

[pallid quiver]

smh should play more of my monk though i often end up being goaded into mistweaver instead

[unkempt hazel]

ah