like lots of specs have a filler
#protection
jagged pier
pallid quiver
That's the exact point I stopped liking it, Muse
urban bane
That's the exact point I stopped liking it, Muse
twinsies! 🩷
regal matrix
like lots of specs have a filler
Not really
pallid quiver
just play cata, Lali; they get everything there
urban bane
compared to what a spinny hammer
unkempt hazel
just play cata, Lali; they get everything there
urban bane
regal matrix
compared to what a spinny hammer
Not a filler, you cant play ppal without using it and in some situations it is your top prio
jagged pier
death coil as well
unkempt hazel
I might be wrong but
regal matrix
i dunno can say the same for tiger palm, blood boil, marrowrend, jugment,
no clue about brew but blood boil is certainly a filler, but it feels great
unkempt hazel
I treat revenge as slam
regal matrix
death coil as well
this is slam
orchid gulch
Thank you for your answers in this regard.
jagged pier
i dont know how pressing blood boil is different from pressing revenge 🤷
sounds to me like u just dont lie pwar
which is fine
unkempt hazel
i dont know how pressing blood boil is different from pressing revenge 🤷
it makes a nice sound
unkempt hazel
tbf this is why I dislike pal
south zealot
revenge ius good damage tclap is just better
unkempt hazel
raven hemlock
guys do we drop battering ram?
south zealot
yes
jagged pier
yes
orchid gulch
Revenge isn't the greatest filler, and essentially just seeing your pixels take another swing is kinda eh.
south zealot
@lusty grotto freege
raven hemlock
the builds have been updated
tysm
lusty grotto
<@131897531251556352> freege
south zealot
natty 275 ez
south zealot
.
lusty grotto
regal matrix
he had bark in bird boss
unkempt hazel
ynever know
regal matrix
My pwar is actually human btw
south zealot
i almost griefed on vexamus
i was like surely i can live with just spell reflect and no d stance
and i lived with like 10k hp
pallid quiver
hm, if you leave a raid before loot rolls are settled, do you not get loot if you won the roll?
unkempt hazel
i was like surely i can live with just spell reflect and no d stance
stance dancing is my biggest issue yet I feel
echo egret
I already have Treemouth splinter on myth track. Is it time to open vault as arms ?
regal matrix
I already have Treemouth splinter on myth track. Is it time to open vault as arm...
y if u have gholak
south zealot
do you have a raid vault
jagged gust
i was like surely i can live with just spell reflect and no d stance
You made the right call, stuck to your guns and earned that parse is all I'm reading
unkempt hazel
south zealot
if you dont have a raid vault it doesnt matter
regal matrix
I don't raid this season
consider the value of a shield, but you can always craft a 525 one
ionic fern
I already have Treemouth splinter on myth track. Is it time to open vault as arm...
Yes, if you have Gholak + Treemouth.
echo egret
consider the value of a shield, but you can always craft a 525 one
or buy a bullion one ?
ionic fern
Don't wast a bullion on a shield
unkempt hazel
there's bullion shield?
ionic fern
Just farm a dungeon for it.
south zealot
craft a shield, buy trinkets/rings with bullions
regal matrix
100%
jagged gust
Myth gnarl is a pushover, good chance to get the shield this week
echo egret
I am also wondering, on what item do you put your Alchemical Flavor pocket ?
Bracers+Cloak ar for shadowflame patches already
regal matrix
no space for it rn no?
jagged gust
boots if you want to offspec arms
echo egret
oh so the not-lariat crafted neck
regal matrix
btw what happened that every warr is arms instead of fury?
jagged gust
Fury voted S2
jagged pier
because arms is better
unkempt hazel
s2 is superior
south zealot
fury does terrible damage in raid
unkempt hazel
(undertuned tho)
south zealot
and worse in aoe too
south zealot
s1 was the best tier set imo, it was just very very weak
south zealot
most classes voted for whatever season their spec was the best in
instead of what actually played the best
jagged gust
Anything that casts OF is the right choice in my books
unkempt hazel
did anyone vote for what they enjoyed
jagged pier
boomkins and fury voted for what played better
unkempt hazel
jagged pier
as bliz said there would be tuning
unkempt hazel
^
south zealot
there is tuning its just slow as fuck lol
jagged pier
and the tuning has been garbo
jagged gust
I voted S3 prot, because it's awesome
south zealot
that too
south zealot
i liked the last stand tier quite a pit personally
violet ginkgo
then we realize soon enough at TWW we lose our beloved tier set.
no more proccing the bleed for insta damage
jagged gust
LS tier gave me a reason to cast LS so that was kinda nice
regal matrix
Im glad devoker and vdh chose well
jagged gust
And the DN-esque SS proc was pretty sweet, felt a lot easier to grab initial aggro while pulling mobs
pallid quiver
prot war was close to making a mistake
south zealot
what tier was close to winning
jagged gust
"We were meta it had to be a good tier"
pallid quiver
was the average thought
south zealot
prot paladin was always bvette than warrior
jagged pier
in m+
pallid quiver
We were at the start; we weren't the best, but we were meta
unkempt hazel
isn't meta the best
pallid quiver
then people learned
regal matrix
What's the worst tank rn?
pallid quiver
^^^^
jagged gust
I have yet to have a bad experience with bears, bdk on the other hand means my key is gonna fail
unkempt hazel
What's the worst tank rn?
every tank except dh
jagged pier
so the worst is basically anything that isnt vdh
unkempt hazel
pallid quiver
Tank balance other than VDH is honestly pretty close
south zealot
wy would u ever vote season 1 prot warrior
that was CLEARLY the worst of the 3 options
errant leaf
Ok guys are we so back ?
jagged pier
No.
unkempt hazel
nop
regal matrix
pwar would be very good if the dungeons required more st stuns no?
pallid quiver
wy would u ever vote season 1 prot warrior
ionic fern
wy would u ever vote season 1 prot warrior
Everyone thinks that S1 prot warrior was "amazing".
south zealot
Tank balance other than VDH is honestly pretty close
it literally always is
errant leaf
Pls someone say yes
jagged pier
Pls someone say yes
No.
unkempt hazel
😔
ionic fern
Pls someone say yes
Yes.
regal matrix
thats 2-3 key levels higher
thats because top groups play the top tanks
not because the 2nd cant do it
jagged pier
not because the 2nd cant do it
correct
but ppl just copy what the top do
like its a must
south zealot
i agree, its usually like 1 key level but its just a cost vs reward thing
jagged pier
ionic fern
I tried pugging a 13 yesterday. Sat in queue for 10+ minutes before getting accepted into one after countless declines.
Good times.
regal matrix
playing with a vdh is very comfy as dps
pallid quiver
I won't forget that one time I got declined for a +2 back in SL season 4 because "Prot Wars can't tank 2s"
unkempt hazel
ionic fern
playing with a vdh is very comfy as dps
Just makes most dungeon pulls a training dummy.
jagged gust
like its a must
I spec in to disrupting shout. I don't use it in keys, but clearly it's the right move. 😏
ionic fern
Which is boring in my personal opinion but.. 🤷
orchid gulch
I won't forget that one time I got declined for a +2 back in SL season 4 because...
Signed up to some Tol Dagor key in BFA S1. Got a whisper back "lol warrior". Good times.
errant leaf
I manage to get invites in 5ish minutes on easy 13
pallid quiver
prot warrior was the 2nd best tank in s4 shadowlands
That was generally about its position with proper play, yeah.
Community perception was that it was the worst tank and could barely even walk to the store without dying, though, based on how people treated me
regal matrix
Just makes most dungeon pulls a training dummy.
not only that, but it removes the typical 2 mobs pack that is very annoying to do
errant leaf
Basically anything thats not nelt or uldaman
south zealot
i think its bc a lot of prot warriors didnt understand/run banner
and used codex
so they were actually pissweak when played bad
pallid quiver
and didn't press shield slam, or ip, or charged with reprisal
jagged pier
i mean codex was good for 1 tank
unkempt hazel
Signed up to some Tol Dagor key in BFA S1. Got a whisper back "lol warrior". Goo...
man that pug mentality makes me want to commint not nice things
jagged pier
so 5 tank specs running codex was monka
pallid quiver
i mean codex was good for 1 tank
yeah but the top rio prot wars used it
and ur just bad, jakey
south zealot
was codex even actually good for dk
pallid quiver
what are you, a mythic raider?
jagged pier
i fucking know
i had to explain to ppl why it was bad
like 5 times a day
and then they go
south zealot
but rank 1 io uses it
ionic fern
But your opinion is irrelevant since you're not r1.
south zealot
it HAS to be good
pallid quiver
It's so god damn hard to get people to tackle with arguments instead of random credentials
jagged pier
yer cause im in here all the time spitting facts and helping ppl get better
i have no time to push
pallid quiver
and those same people also complain about college degrees being necessary, which are
credentials
unkempt hazel
if ur not rank 1 ur bad trust
regal matrix
io doesnt matter for discussion but you cant say stuff like "cheat death trinket doesnt matter just dont play bad" and expect people to follow it
unkempt hazel
ur either a winner or a loser frfr
pallid quiver
i have no time to push
also because you respect yourself and your time, like a good person
obtuse ledge
are we at 1.5 sparks or 2 sparks rn
jagged pier
literally dont say that about cheat death
unkempt hazel
are we at 1.5 sparks or 2 sparks rn
2
obtuse ledge
fk me
regal matrix
literally dont say that about cheat death
Not talking about you
south zealot
cheat death trinket a lot of the time is overkill and you dont need it
unkempt hazel
did u do the weekly
south zealot
but its completely fine to run
regal matrix
But watching cheat death in B tier is weird
obtuse ledge
just now yeah
unkempt hazel
just kill some lfr bosses then
south zealot
codex was worse in defensive value and damage it was literally troll to equip over basically anything else
unkempt hazel
if ur still missing
obtuse ledge
already in queue for bullions hopefully it gives me the spark
jagged pier
we say for the majority of of ppl bad and creates bad habits as they are doing content where they dont even proc is or proccing it due to not understanding the class and should work to improve first if u are pushing rank 1 keys u slap that shit on and use it correctly
jagged pier
and by use it correctly is u plan around procing it
jagged pier
like ppl last season in here were claiming u needed cheat for 24s 25s nome goes into them with 10 ilvls less than everyone else his health doesnt move
because he played correctly
obtuse ledge
im at ilvl 485.75 now i started at like 410 lol
regal matrix
like ppl last season in here were claiming u needed cheat for 24s 25s nome goes ...
but you need to understand those people dont want to be trolling every key because they are bad
I agree the best decision in the long run is to improve and play better
south zealot
watching nome and sense play is a treat
regal matrix
but sometimes those just want to do the 24 and feel safer with a cheat
south zealot
they are so much better than me its actually kinda funny
jagged pier
and you do you
south zealot
but sometimes those just want to do the 24 and feel safer with a cheat
if you wanna run it, run it
jagged pier
but as i said im here to give the best advice
south zealot
just understand for doing pretty 'low' keys, its unnessecery
jagged pier
its not always the thing ppl want to hear
regal matrix
What I mean is that most people will never be good enough not to run a cheat death in a 24
jagged pier
literally anyone is good enough
unkempt hazel
like ppl last season in here were claiming u needed cheat for 24s 25s nome goes ...
do u got any logs of such kind, I did a +7 aa yesterday and I thought I was a dk for a sec watching my hp yoyo like mad
unkempt hazel
I mean not urs specifically
jagged pier
yer nome will have logs
ionic nimbus
Everyone thinks that S1 prot warrior was "amazing".
Same ppl who voted ppal s1 over s3
jagged pier
mwahi probably
regal matrix
literally anyone is good enough
Not really, you need to play a whole lot for that
jagged pier
sense logs everything
pallid quiver
Sense also randomly uploads to youtube, as well
jagged pier
Not really, you need to play a whole lot for that
id agrue if u are doing 24s u are already playing enough
south zealot
heres a key nomer did yesterday
pallid quiver
So you can have an actual vod
ionic fern
Logs for what?
jagged pier
as it puts u in the top liek 2% of key players
unkempt hazel
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WNAhTZ82bKB179Lt#fight=1&type=damage-done
thank
regal matrix
id agrue if u are doing 24s u are already playing enough
big dif between a 24 and a 27 for example ( last season)
unkempt hazel
cuz I clearly am doing smth wrong
jagged pier
and thats the same with any season with how scaling works
ionic nimbus
playing with a vdh is very comfy as dps
U mean braindead
jagged pier
but 24 -27s is like top 2% to top .8% or somthing dumb
unkempt hazel
my top was 19's in s2
regal matrix
But for example I still go with cheat even when I go +8s
jagged pier
But for example I still go with cheat even when I go +8s
well thats on you but i doubt u ever proc it so your wasting a trinket slot
regal matrix
But for example I still go with cheat even when I go +8s
Why? Because I want to be able to go brainafk and eat every area or give my back to enemies from time to time
jagged pier
🤷
south zealot
does anyone know how to fix my wcl not autologging certain dungeons
regal matrix
Why? Because I want to be able to go brainafk and eat every area or give my back...
It never happens yeah but it allows me to play much more afk
jagged pier
Why? Because I want to be able to go brainafk and eat every area or give my back...
and that is exactly why we tell ppl not to wear one because then they dont learn whats dangerous
unkempt hazel
prolly a dumb question, but is it normal for us to be top in "healing" details in m+
pallid quiver
Yes, actually
jagged pier
yes
regal matrix
and that is exactly why we tell ppl not to wear one because then they dont learn...
you dont learn that in a +8 anyways tho
unkempt hazel
aight just wondering
pallid quiver
Most M+ damage is avoidable, so if you're up there,
tawdry dirge
yesterday someone said BR is still better on ST, but my sim tells me other wise 1k diffrence
pallid quiver
your group is actually playing right
south zealot
prolly a dumb question, but is it normal for us to be top in "healing" details i...
depends on how much damage your party is taking
but yes you should be on top/very close to the top
jagged pier
you dont learn that in a +8 anyways tho
well the way your claiming ppl are yes it will because they will die to that stuff
tawdry dirge
what to do i pick then
jagged pier
if they arent wearing the trinket
pallid quiver
yesterday someone said BR is still better on ST, but my sim tells me other wise ...
It was just guesswork, Alacrity is better always
unkempt hazel
but yes you should be on top/very close to the top
first time trying out prot in anything over +2 so wasn't sure
south zealot
what to do i pick then
swap battering ram for enduring alacrity
regal matrix
well the way your claiming ppl are yes it will because they will die to that stu...
people who die in +8 lack the basics, ,so what the mobs do, dont really matter
unkempt hazel
was just above the healer
tawdry dirge
so its better in all situations now?
pallid quiver
Yep
tawdry dirge
cheers
pallid quiver
Extra armor for strength + free haste was enough to push it past
enjoy the bigger hp bar
jagged pier
people who die in +8 lack the basics, ,so what the mobs do, dont really matter
right u need to know this for how to use defensives and spell reflect u are gunna learn that with a cheat saving u
tawdry dirge
yeah its massive lol
regal matrix
When I started tanking as bdk I removed my cheat death in talents because i had the mindset of not making mistakes and it actually made me play better, but it also was much more taxing
regal matrix
right u need to know this for how to use defensives and spell reflect u are gunn...
It actually doesnt matter as long as you time the key, you ll learn eventually when you die before cheat death comes off cd
jagged pier
how do you keep changing your argument
regal matrix
how do you keep changing your argument
When you think someone changes his argument all the time, it actually means you are not understanding it
regal matrix
i literally havent change what ive said once
hes talking to me
jagged pier
just seems to me like u dont want to be caught at wrong
which is fine
but its just annoying as i havent changed what ive said once but u keep moving the discussion to the right
until i agree with you
which i wont
regal matrix
I just think it's a bad recommendation
jagged pier
running cheat in an 8 i bad
regal matrix
The whole recommendation is based on a hypothetical future which wont ever come unless you wanna push higher and higher
jagged pier
lusty grotto
i understand that youre stupid
Bro the guy replies to his own messages lol
What do you expect
regal matrix
Well im certainly out this time
regal matrix
Bro the guy replies to his own messages lol
the level of mockery this has is too much
lusty grotto
Oh no
eager phoenix
if cd trinket is not recommended why does naowh, dorki and yoda still value it? to name 3 m+ tanks
the way i see it, playing on a level quite a few pegs below the beforementioned, if the trinket saves the day once in the key (either me being shit or healer being bad and dying, causing me to livie longer to save the pull) literally nothing else on the slot would be worth more even if i had every other choice possible
lusty grotto
south zealot
if you can pop a treemouth every other pack
you wont die because you have a full hp bar as a shield
jagged pier
if u want a defensive option for low keys
unkempt hazel
love treemouth
unkempt hazel
enjoyed it a lot on brm in s2 at least
south zealot
enduring is a defensive trinket that also does a ton of damage
south zealot
yeah its insane
eager phoenix
Xd
jagged pier
but the point is treemouth or enduring will be better for lower pushers
unkempt hazel
enduring is the kazzara one?
jagged pier
over cd
unkempt hazel
sheesh
jagged pier
and it will be up next pack
south zealot
yeah you can alternate between those two and always havea sick defensive for every pull
jagged pier
enduring is the kazzara one?
yes
unkempt hazel
jagged pier
i mean i would say u just use that trinket on cd for the damage cause its dumb
and if u really want the defensive option keep treemouth for when u need to use it
pallid quiver
just pull like a jackhat around its cd, then you get the best of both worlds
unkempt hazel
jagged pier
ye tru
jagged pier
2 weeks i think
pallid quiver
Whenever I hit the 4 dungeons on my War, it'll probably be my next bullion pick
unkempt hazel
eager phoenix
just buy with buillon
pallid quiver
i might skip lego token, we'll see
unkempt hazel
cant
jagged pier
as its loot from any raid
unkempt hazel
gon get asscandy I think
pallid quiver
u might get it in there
bold of you to assume i won't just get three pairs of pants again
jagged pier
just have it
unkempt hazel
I do main dps first so gotta bulion for those
jagged pier
bold of you to assume i won't just get three pairs of pants again
i got anvil
so i got signet and anvil form vault this season
unkempt hazel
altho tanking with augury is silly
jagged pier
south zealot
cant wait to get diurnas ring in vault
pallid quiver
i took puzzle box this week
unkempt hazel
so i got signet and anvil form vault this season
I wish my warrior had my warlocks luck
jagged pier
not our best trinket this seasonb tho
pallid quiver
since my vault were all pieces of gear i already have on heroic track or better
ionic fern
I'm still doing m+ with my Augury. 😦
jagged pier
I'm still doing m+ with my Augury. 😦
strong forum
i ran ruby + signet i think
pallid quiver
I at least got an augury like, last week of last season, so I still have that
strong forum
in my most recent key
unkempt hazel
fuck im bad at cropping
jagged pier
win + shift + s
unkempt hazel
but ya get the point
unkempt hazel
prolly should grind out the treemouth
jagged pier
ye
strong forum
altho im good with my anvil now aswell
boreal haven
Morning Tankerinos !
Planing to play some Prot in S4 M+ and want to ask how to engage M+ Packs properly...
Charge + Avatar + Shield Block into Ravager i assume or is there a better way ?
south zealot
strong forum
shits gonna destroy
south zealot
anvil probably better than all totem
south zealot
yeah for killing important shit
strong forum
south zealot
will probably be my purchase in 3 bullions
ionic nimbus
Focus Dmg is underestimated af
south zealot
need ring and weapon then i can get a third trinket
strong forum
bro i ran cheat death in 3 keys last season
and didnt proc it once
28/29s
literal waste
unkempt hazel
well
strong forum
south zealot
chadge
unkempt hazel
ur just too goated
strong forum
coulda done more damej
unkempt hazel
uninstalling rn
strong forum
i can upload my 10 algethar from today ig
strong forum
was hella boring man
unkempt hazel
but yday
strong forum
straigfht up
unkempt hazel
so still fortified
pallid quiver
bro i ran cheat death in 3 keys last season
that's because you gotta pull more like a jackhat if you've got it; don't play solid, play sloppy as fuck
unkempt hazel
who knew pulling the entire zone right b4 last boss was not the play
pallid quiver
pull seventeen more packs, it'll be fine
south zealot
the entire zone
south zealot
u do like 2-3 packs ina pug and bring them in the hallway
any more and ppl are gonna die
unkempt hazel
tbf it was half premade, just a miscomunication LOL
ionic nimbus
If the aoe pull toy from mop just would work in m+
pallid quiver
What do you mean not recommended in pugs? It'll be fine. You can trust Johnny No Buttons to stop anything that'd kill him and let things targetting you go off to utilize the cheat to its best potential
pallid quiver
i don't think you're surviving long after if you pop cheat and your dps explode
pallid quiver
i think i mixed two convos
pallid quiver
all i know is that I've gotta do some random quest for some random nerd for that personal tabard quest
pallid quiver
Since I went up to them and asked them what makes them who they are, and they just went "WE'RE UNDER SIEGE AND DYING, I DON'T HAVE TIME FOR QUESTIONS"
unkempt hazel
I dunno I prefer smth like treemouths, feel good button
pallid quiver
I think cheats are neat in opening up pull options, but most people don't use them like that, and it's generally actually difficult to get use out of them like that.
It's generally more likely to get use out of them to cheese a raid mech, but that hasn't been necessary recently iirc
since usually, the entire raid just asplodes if a mech isn't done right
south zealot
i think it does too much damage it just kills you through cheat
jagged pier
i mean that depends
unkempt hazel
o well
unkempt hazel
ig if u have enough defs during it?
unkempt hazel
pallid quiver
crit block is a hell of a drug
Even better if it's a spell block crit block
hey kids, do you want to take literally 0 damage from this ability that hits you for 500 mil?
ionic nimbus
Most of the time you just die lol
Just play cheat death KEKW
bleak breach
I’m just a log padder, no time for unnecessary defensive talents
If it doesn’t increase my dps I don’t want it
orchid gulch
People thinking that capstone is purgatory lol
BSV? I just wish it'd be an actual cheat death, then there'd be a chance it actually work properly.
unkempt hazel
jagged pier
SLs i think
unkempt hazel
does it actually make sound
unkempt hazel
bleak breach
i dont play with game sound
What
Do you atleast get the final fantasy music after you kill a boss, or Mario?
jagged pier
no
junior brook
the heck is squeak!
people used the toy with the macro on fyrakk progress to see (in logs) who actually pressed it or did to often
unkempt hazel
jagged pier
yer sense has been going it for years
unkempt hazel
but what toy is it
jagged pier
like the amount times during SLs i got asked if squeak was a dps increase
was a bit dumb
junior brook
Its an item you have in bag, bat something
unkempt hazel
I need to know if it makes actual squeak sound
Squeaky Bat
got it thanks
reminds me of macroing /train to rampage in wod
my rl loved me
jagged pier
u would be benched on my team
unkempt hazel
bleak breach
I just used to be a fiend for summoning and un summoning the sunflower pet
rigid edge
So Yay or Nay on the changes?
pallid quiver
but yay because hp bar bigger so you get feel good numbers for screenshots
which is the real important thing
unkempt hazel
I just used to be a fiend for summoning and un summoning the sunflower pet
the way my guild members just shout my name the very moment anyone hears "sunflower" amuses me
bleak breach
So Yay or Nay on the changes?
I mean it’s a buff, so we will take it. Nothing essentially changes. Game play is still the exact same, but I think we’re better for it. So nothing negative from me
ionic fern
Always yay.
Only thing that actively changed is that you are taking Enduring Alacritiy instead of Battering Ram in all builds.
rigid edge
I'm glad everyone likes the changes more or less, I have yet to test it myself 😄
rigid hull
bloodsruge
hmm isnt that talent alot of rage?
jagged pier
its your only option
because you want to run disrupting
which means technically your dropping bloodsurge for dispruting and batterin ram for enduring
errant leaf
Why dont we drop thunderlord ?
jagged pier
because its far better than both disrupting and bloodsurge
errant leaf
Y i guess the tclap reset
jagged pier
in season 1 u didnt get the TC resets u do now and it was around the same prio as TC thanks to tier revenge u just dont press and as u get more TCs TLs is just better now
jagged pier
well its bigger than battering ram
errant leaf
Y sure
jagged pier
and ppl over value disrupting shout
errant leaf
Anything is now
jagged pier
and refuse to drop it
bleak breach
Yeah disrupting is kinda meh
errant leaf
I like it
bleak breach
Can only ever think of having it for Raz and Dathea prog tbh
jagged pier
so you have drop the talent u would drop to take disrupting which is bloodsurge
sure u loose some rage but its fine
bleak breach
Think there was 1 or 2 high keys it was good for? Might’ve been throne and everbloom
jagged pier
Can only ever think of having it for Raz and Dathea prog tbh
its different in raid u just drop SD for it in raid
bleak breach
its different in raid u just drop SD for it in raid
Yeah
errant leaf
I tried playing without blood surge but it was back in s1 so
jagged pier
u can play without it now
errant leaf
Felt like ass
jagged pier
its 'fine'
errant leaf
Ill try it later then
errant leaf
They just shouldve made disrupting baseline
jagged pier
its the 5% variance isnt it? on like everything swear thats still a thing
bleak breach
They just shouldve made disrupting baseline
It’s got nieche use, the issue for me is for the amount of times you actually need it, it’s just not worth taking. Often it’s like 1 whole pat in a dungeon needs it. We’ve already got shockwave and intim shout, then whatever the rest of your group has. But also if people want it to be safe then go nuts, it’s not really a make or break thing either way.
hardy snow
jagged pier
gratz
maiden nimbus
In pugs how do you guys handle the boss positioning for the chains in nelths? In organized groups I have no problem doing breaking 2, then 1…but in pugs everyone runs all over the place and I’m chasing them all over to break the chains
jagged pier
welcome to pugs
livid onyx
Can someone show the talents that we gona play now in m+?
jagged pier
maiden nimbus
Lmao - yeah nice when you get a “tank do you know how to do this?” After it too
jagged pier
yer again welcome to pugs
humble fractal
In pugs how do you guys handle the boss positioning for the chains in nelths? I...
i put three world markers down, tell them to go there then run to the other side of the room with thier chain if ranged and melee to break immediately
strong forum
In pugs how do you guys handle the boss positioning for the chains in nelths? I...
2 people are supposed to drop chains directly ontop of the boss
so they break insta
and the last one goes after
tawdry dirge
if my rings arent uta shit do i get with next bullion a trinket? or still one of the rare rings?
sly ocean
dh nerfs and war buffs big enough to make a difference?
strong forum
Nop
bleak breach
Ahh so you guys don’t have to move the boss?
Whenever I pug I have to chase them around myself hahaha
vapid oyster
Whenever I pug I have to chase them around myself hahaha
There’s 2 type of pugs there. The triple pop or the “let tank run about while I uggadugga” xD
rapid belfry
is prot extremely tanky this season? asking cause they where gods in s1 dungeons (and got hit with some nerfs)
pallid quiver
if you thought they were gods in season 1, you're in for a shock once you learn that they've only gotten better since the start
strong forum
^
rapid belfry
wow nice, I had to pick up a tank for my friends, cause 10-15min waiting in all keys was kinda boring, and I did not wanna play VDH since I'm not feeling it
pallid quiver
Then you've chosen the worst tank by sheer virtue of not being VDH
tank balance is pretty close, to be completely honest, as long as you ignore VDH due to how overtuned it is
All tanks are very strong and quite capable; you'd only notice any differences going for world first keys
It's been that way pretty much all xpac
rapid belfry
I know the insane things DH can do, but I'm not gonna do 16s key, probably 10-12
the most important is to not feel like paper and have to kite all the time
pallid quiver
Not a single tank will ever have to kite at those levels
the closest you might come is ulda basilisk bleeds if you take a whole bunch at once or something
If you're looking for really unkillable, you'd want to check out BDK, though. As long as you don't get globalled, you're immortal
rapid belfry
I have a BDK, just felt so punished if I somehow was just out of melee range and couldn't heal up
Guardian has been my goto usually, cause of the range extender, but warrior has been fun to play also
pallid quiver
Pala's your best bet for feeling like you can still do things outside of melee range, since it's the tank that can actually keep up resource gen without needing to be in melee
south axle
hey guys i m a new player as prot warior
i switch from monk tank
i would like to know if a guide or something like that exist
i rush for fyraka first item but i don't know what take after
i have to go with haste crit or haste vers? ty
pallid quiver
You'll want to check out the pins first
For just about every question you just had there
Can also swing by Wowhead or Icyveins; both are written by good and knowledgeable Prot Wars
south axle
ty ty
vocal skiff
if you thought they were gods in season 1, you're in for a shock once you learn ...
I definitely didn't think they were gods back then, very strong though. However, I am interested in that argument. How is that? And I am asking not to instigate, just out of curiosity as I haven't been playing throughout the whole expansion, with long breaks in season 2 and 3
vocal skiff
But we did get nerfed at the start, right?
pallid quiver
On top of that, our tier sets have been better both offensively and defensively
pallid quiver
But we did get nerfed at the start, right?
damn, i take 949 damage instead of 950 damage
crippling nerf
It was a token nerf that barely influence block value; it wasn't even a key level's difference.
vocal skiff
I barely remember what the nerfed entailed to be completely honest
jagged pier
But we did get nerfed at the start, right?
i mean the nerf literally changed nothing
vocal skiff
nerf*
pallid quiver
It was literally done to try and sway public perception because of how popular Prot War was at the start
Blizz was fine with Prot War's performance, but they weren't fine with like 90% of the general community or whatever it actually was rocking prot war
pallid quiver
^^^
jagged pier
funny tho how they have to do that when prot in front but they dont change vdh at all
or bdk
pallid quiver
blizz honestly knew, which is whack, but
pallid quiver
Then there's, yeah, this
jagged pier
only if its prot
pallid quiver
At least I understand them not changing VDH much in Season 4 because they've got better things to do with their time
but S3's entirety was
whack
orchid gulch
Can't have fun on a warrior spec. That's illegal.
thorny stone
bring back banner
orchid gulch
That's why they changed it.
jagged pier
i know thats why they changed it
but i generally think DF has made me a worse player
because i dont need to think anymore
pallid quiver
bring back banner
Don't bring back banner, bring back decision making
bring back a form of heroic strike that does something interesting to make us valuate IP versus offense dynamically or something
jagged pier
bring back managing uptime and rage management ill be happy
rich beacon
Don't bring back banner, bring back decision making
No, you will continue being a pianist and you will like it!
orchid gulch
100% uptime is fine with me, but I'd like a bit of choice if I should play more offensively or defensively.
Not just feeding rage to AM.
pallid quiver
Even SL I think wasn't enough decision making for me to feel fully fulfilled, but I doubt Blizz will design a tank spec in a way that would fulfill me... ever
rich beacon
Wildstars Engi was a fun tank. Maybe they should steal from a dead game
orchid gulch
Even SL I think wasn't enough decision making for me to feel fully fulfilled, bu...
Making it too complex doesn't cater to the majority though. So I think it will only be further simplified.
rich beacon
They would probably have to decrease apm if they go back up with complexity to balance it for the majority
Either we get more spammy or we go to something like the old deliberate spending arms playstyle
orchid gulch
Dunno, they mentioned that they want us to spend rage more strategically.
waxen frigate
Wildstars Engi was a fun tank. Maybe they should steal from a dead game
One day we’ll get heat from swtor as a resource
potent anvil
Wildstar owned. Fun times
rich beacon
One day we’ll get heat from swtor as a resource
I've only played trooper as a tank but I loved the way shields and absorbs worked
rich beacon
It was
waxen frigate
It was the last spec I mained before coming to wow
rich beacon
But with more guns
rich beacon
Wildstar owned. Fun times <:gladge:963970137701109820>
Wildstar was the best. it had a very unique design and the classes were fun.
cerulean merlin
hi
what is priority, upgrade the ilvl on my shoulder / chest etc pieces or the shadowflame crafted ones
ruby olive
Hey guys, I am learning to play prot. Everybody suggest to get Seal of Diurna's Chosen. But how prot can deal Fire damage?
ruby olive
thanks
glacial skiff
So I’ve ran a few keys last night as prot and I have to say dropping blood surge and getting the improved talent+aoe interrupt makes prot feel much better. Sometimes you don’t have as much rage to spend on IP in AOE, but I feel like it’s not as necessary since you’re generally stronger and IP scales off max HP
Don’t get me wrong though, wish there were a way to get passive rage gen from bleeds, even if it were just baked into one of the talents we already have
shy python
So I’ve ran a few keys last night as prot and I have to say dropping blood surge...
I used the AoE interrupt im S1 and it was great. 👍
glacial skiff
Disrupting? It’s quite noticeable with pugs.
jagged pier
please stop this narative
its not weve looked at the log off ppl that say this
and they hardly intupt anything with it
or use it
or they use it when they could have shockwaved or feared instead
its confirmation bias
im not saying dont run it, run it if u want
but ive had 0 issues in pugs
and ive never run it
same for lots of other ppl
glacial skiff
You’re wrong. It’s a great tool for grouping mobs on pull, using as faux snap threat and just having it in back pocket even if it’s not used every single pull.
jagged pier
i have no issues grouping mobs
and if your using it to group mobs your using wrong already
plush tendon
jagged pier
if your using it fro threat your wasting teh inturpt part
shy python
its not weve looked at the log off ppl that say this
Logs don't tell you everything, you know.
glacial skiff
are you jakeyplops from tarren mill?
jagged pier
ye
plush tendon
all disrupting shout is, is 'silence sigil at home'
jagged pier
Logs don't tell you everything, you know.
i mean they tell yu alot more than what ppl do
glacial skiff
You’re not doing keys high enough this season to warrant considering it, so your opinion is based off of nothing really
jagged pier
plka complained at nome claiming he stopped a load with disrupting shout now found a log where he used it once in a key
and didnt stormbolt itll 15mins into the same key
shy python
i mean they tell yu alot more than what ppl do
But if nobody logs you got nothing to look at. 🤓
jagged pier
yes i dont high keys so i dont know what mobs do
ergo my knowledge is irrelevent
of what mobs do and how ppl play
cool cool
glacial skiff
I didn’t say that. You’re putting words in my mouth
jagged pier
literally what u just asid but ok
waxen frigate
I didn’t say that. You’re putting words in my mouth
No but you said stupid shit
glacial skiff
No but you said stupid shit
Did I?
waxen frigate
You’re not doing keys high enough this season to warrant considering it, so your...
Yeah right here
jagged pier
i just bought up an example of a very high key pusher literally not getting value out of the talent
🤷
shy python
*gets Popcorn
glacial skiff
Nish just a troll. Ignore this guy
plush tendon
waxen frigate
Are you dumb?
Regardless of what I am, you’re a moron. 👍
Disrupting shout is fine to take
glacial skiff
Ok random internet guy. 😊
waxen frigate
If you use it poorly you may as well not take it
waxen frigate
Ok random internet guy. 😊
Ok other random internet guy
Oh sense is here he’s a less random internet guy
glacial skiff
Ok other random internet guy
You came out of the woodwork to say something without logic attacking my opinion. Troll.
shut summit
i think its kind of up to the person tbh, in my eyes if you only use it once but it enables a pull you otherwise wouldn't do then its worth to me
plush tendon
this is some A+ gaslighting
waxen frigate
this is some A+ gaslighting
Gatekeep, gaslight, girlboss
plush tendon
shy python
i just bought up an example of a very high key pusher literally not getting valu...
High key pushers normaly play perfectly and so do their mates. Then you may not need an extra interrupt.
But when things im PUGs get chaotic an AoE interrupt with a 6s silence can save a lot of lifes.
waxen frigate
But the buff 
jagged pier
i think its kind of up to the person tbh, in my eyes if you only use it once but...
sure but thats not what ppl are arugin for they just say the blanket term of it helps with pugs
plush tendon
contrary to popular belief, we are not VDH
jagged pier
and dont elaborate
glacial skiff
I used it 6 times in a Brecken key I ran earlier, I will tell you regardless of only using it 6 times, those 6 were invaluable on larger pulls.
jagged pier
its not like our dps is amazing
what ah mean?
hardy snow
You know what helps the most with pugs?
Getting group of friends and dont pug at all
shut summit
buff vengeance
hardy snow
waxen frigate
I used it 6 times in a Brecken key I ran earlier, I will tell you regardless of ...
6 uses is significantly more than most people use it, especially if you get multiple interrupts with it
glacial skiff
Know what doesn’t help those pulls? A few k dps from a dps focused talent.
oblique pilot
what should i take as prot war, all 3 myth track, wep shield or bis treemouth
waxen frigate
buff vengeance
Nerf brewmaster
fresh wind
where can you buy treemouth's trinket with bullions?
waxen frigate
where can you buy treemouth's trinket with bullions?
Can’t
glacial skiff
I was also playing VERY conservatively with it too as a back pocket choice because I ran with a pug rogue/devoker that loved to pop CD’s on pull, while grouping mobs.
plush tendon
what should i take as prot war, all 3 myth track, wep shield or bis treemouth
😮 post da vault?
fresh wind
Can’t
oh, the updates-dragonflight has it as the #1 suggested defensive trinket to purchase
oblique pilot
hoary bough
you take disrupting to enable large pulls, i take disrupting because i can't be bothered to tab kick
we are not the same
plush tendon
do you mythic raid at all?
waxen frigate
oh, the updates-dragonflight has it as the #1 suggested defensive trinket to pur...
Formatted wrong
plush tendon
aka, have access to the first couple of bosses?
oblique pilot
i do
waxen frigate
That’s a good defensive trinket for the season but it’s not buyable
jagged pier
I used it 6 times in a Brecken key I ran earlier, I will tell you regardless of ...
u know what u didnt cast the entire dungeon int shout
plush tendon
shield is kind of mid then since first couple have shields
wep also meh since its not Gholak
the only use for that wep is Aspect crest savings
waxen frigate
u know what u didnt cast the entire dungeon int shout
There’s def 6 casts there
plush tendon
not wurf at this point imo
jagged pier
There’s def 6 casts there
yer fo disrupting shout
oblique pilot
so trinket is reasonable?
jagged pier
that could have been int shout
glacial skiff
u know what u didnt cast the entire dungeon int shout
Int shout is also saved as a back pocket in pugs without coms.
hoary bough
means intimidating shout
plush tendon
sort of leaves treemouth; great trinket if you NEED a extra defensive
and aspect crest savings
glacial skiff
I didn’t need to use int shout so I guess I didn’t press it, as you see the key was timed
waxen frigate
means intimidating shout
Oh duh lmao
plush tendon
shouldnt be used everywhere, but a great trinket to have
jagged pier
so hes basically subbed a talent and didnt use another talent that does the same thing
hoary bough
Oh duh lmao
i was also confused at first lmao
jagged pier
and claimed the int shout is more valuable
plush tendon
so trinket is reasonable?
as long as you have access to Mythic Raid; the first bosses in every raid have shields that drop
would be a shame for them to be DE
hardy snow
and claimed the int shout is more valuable
Well, if you take int shout in warr tree and dont use it at all, then indeed disrupt shout from prot tree gets more value
plush tendon
when they could look so good on you
hardy snow
plush tendon
guys, we still on this disrupting shout BS? I would just leave it as preference at this point
jagged pier
sorry guys my io is too low to comment
glacial skiff
and claimed the int shout is more valuable
I didn’t. I said disrupting is, int shout is only great as a faux interrupt when mobs have been stun DR’d.
plush tendon
yall be running in circles
oblique pilot
for this week bulions i should invest in wep from fyrak? how much it gives
plush tendon
for this week bulions i should invest in wep from fyrak? how much it gives
Gholak is number 1 prio
waxen frigate
for this week bulions i should invest in wep from fyrak? how much it gives
It’s firmly the best weapon available
tribal wharf
sorry guys my io is too low to comment
sorry, u cant join u dont have 5800 gearscore
waxen frigate
It is free damage with full stat budget and high iLvl
glacial skiff
sorry guys my io is too low to comment
I mean you’re arguing that I didn’t use int shout. You know it’s like one of the only CC’s that work when mobs are stun DR’d, right?
oblique pilot
ok, thanks for help gl
limpid ruin
yall be running in circles
No you’re running in circles
plush tendon
Look what @limpid ruin does to me in raid! How am I supposed to hold aggro and solo the raid fights for him
jagged pier
your just making an excuse to not use it at all
plush tendon
chilly echo
glacial skiff
That’s what pummel/other players kicks are for. 🤷♂️
jagged pier
if your doing content where mobs dont get stun Dr'd
then u don tneed the inturpt shout anyway
because they wont be dr'd for the fear
so u can use it freely to inturpt
glacial skiff
Again, it’s back pocket. Plan for the worst and you’ll never have your plans ruined. 😁
tribal wharf
i would be more tempted to use int shout if i could garuntee someone has a follow up light cc, mostly dmg effect after words, like shadow crash similiar
glacial skiff
Plus what else would you even suggest taking in the warrior tree lmao? Nothing else even has great potential value
tribal wharf
i have never once felt safe hitting that button since.... ever....
too big RNG roll
jagged pier
well i mean the rage from blood surge is nice and something i would actually use
glacial skiff
Blood surge is prot tree. Int shout is warrior tree. 😂
jagged pier
like ive always used battering ram over disrupting
glacial skiff
xd
tribal wharf
played since bfa, and that button has fucked me over a million times in bfa sl
jagged pier
yer u dont change the spec tree
tribal wharf
so, ya, im jaded to int shout now lol
jagged pier
this whole discussion is about why disrupting is bad not what u replace int sout with
if u dont use somthing pick somthing else i dunno take intervene or somthing at least
waxen frigate
intervene
jagged pier
and again i said at the start of the discussion if u want to play it play it
waxen frigate
Ain’t no way
jagged pier
and also seems like i ahve to say again
hoary bough
intervene is cool
jagged pier
im going to give the best advice it might not be what ppl want to hear
waxen frigate
intervene is cool
I’m cool too
tribal wharf
how about meld intervene to be part of charge
waxen frigate
And useless
hoary bough
I’m cool too
then i'll take u
glacial skiff
u know what u didnt cast the entire dungeon int shout
Ok here, does this one make you feel better? 😂
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zkX7JK9fqFaYAnG6#fight=58&type=casts&source=1
waxen frigate
UwU
tribal wharf
when you take intervene 1 of the charges of charge can be an intervene if you select party
why 2 buttons for it
jagged pier
good interupts with disrupting there
hoary bough
why 2 buttons for it
just use clique for intervene
shift+click a party member for intervene
jagged pier
back to my original point its doing less than u think
2 intuprts which both could have been covered by pummel
or someone else doing their job
glacial skiff
With our mobility in its current state, intervene is kinda worthless.
jagged pier
or SR
glacial skiff
Idk if logs shows it correctly but I also use intervene to stop uninterruptible casts.
hoary bough
bring back halls of valor, just for intervene
glacial skiff
That’s kinda how I prio it, shockwave/stormbolt/int shout for non interruptible, but stunnable casts
tribal wharf
double defensive stances defensive part and add "slowed by (huge) XY% slow until canceled"
jagged pier
oh we just moving on now to intervene
tribal wharf
intervene only really good when raid/highkey mechanic/ SL pinball leggo effect
so like, yer
glacial skiff
In a world where we have double charge, leap, and all have short CD intervene serves like 0 purpose on keys atm.
vocal flame
dont you run away and turn your back to the mob when you intervene? or did they change that
hoary bough
i guess intervene helps if you have aggro issues and a monk is popping or something, quick intervene so they don't get gibbed
glacial skiff
I kinda wish we had something like in SL where charge/intervene have SB/IP
hoary bough
kinda niche and not good, but something
i used to run intervene for that when i was grossly undergeared playing with a ww guildie p much boosting my keys
glacial skiff
That was the goated leggo power, though I don’t want to be balanced around needing to play that way. Maybe just charge applies 1 stack of IP
tribal wharf
reprisal and shield charge would break the game
plush tendon
Reprisal was fun, but also annoying as it was basically locked in as the only lego we would ever play
glacial skiff
Yeah, maybe shield charge applying IP, that’d be cool. Bake it into the capstone
waxen frigate
Spell icup
jagged pier
thats a pointless capstone
plush tendon
they dont have a alpha prot war tree yet do they?
glacial skiff
I’m saying add it to what’s already there. This+IP
jagged pier
they dont have a alpha prot war tree yet do they?
yer they do
lusty grotto
why ip
lusty grotto
and cut down on our rage use?
glacial skiff
In theory could be used on pull and would provide a bit of a bigger on pull. Would also not make the talent OP
one cast of IP wouldn’t change much. Just make shield charge a bit more of a defensive choice when pressing it too
lusty grotto
kinda useless
jagged pier
like thats point less to even add
lusty grotto
reprisal isnt in the game cause SC exists
out of all the things, none of this adds anything of value
rapid belfry
what does the helm enchant do for warrior? Is it offensive or a defensive trait?
glacial skiff
It doesn’t apply IP though, what if you wanted to cast revenge after, or shield block again to get it on CD/longer duration SB buff?
glacial skiff
And again it could be used to pull, and smooth damage intake upon arrival
hoary bough
is it bad that i miss the ping pong of reprisal
jagged pier
yes
glacial skiff
Why couldn’t it be used to pull too? Thinking too inside the box
jagged pier
because its a dps CD or a stun
lusty grotto
its ok to miss it, but reprisal work great only due to banner extension
glacial skiff
Unless you guys just want the same prot warr in TWW
lusty grotto
ip is not gonna do shit for pull mitigation
jagged pier
adding a 4th thing for that is kind of irrelevant
lusty grotto
its not inside the box, its useless
hoary bough
its ok to miss it, but reprisal work great only due to banner extension
yeah, i just loved the zoomies of just charging everywhere, intervening back and forth, leap charge, it was like playing a whole diff game
glacial skiff
OK, what would you change then you 2?
Since you both think it’s absolutely moronic to add IP
jagged pier
i mean u should/can still leap charge theoretically
lusty grotto
nothing, theres other stuff that could be added or readded that would be better
like safeguard
jagged pier
it doesnt need a change
lusty grotto
or reflective plating
glacial skiff
ok so you’re saying prot tree should remain the same 100% in TWW? Boring
jagged pier
no
as ive said i would personally like them to get rid of some of the block talent in there
unkempt hazel
it should give u shield wall and its cd should be reduced to 5 seconds
jagged pier
so u have to actually manage SB again
unkempt hazel
torn gulch
it is just me but with our bis gear we're kinda low on haste?
tier set has low amounts the two rings we're gonna use have like 700 haste combined including enchants
jagged pier
i would also like revenge to be worth pressing
so u have to make descisions on what to do with rage
🤷
u dont need to change talents to do that
hoary bough
i would also like revenge to be worth pressing
thisss
lusty grotto
i agree with that one
hoary bough
i was merrily pressing it, enjoying my rotation, until someone in this disc highlighted how little worth it actually has 💀
glacial skiff
Managing SB and having the potential for losing it isn’t great. Remember how bad VDH got destroyed when they had gaps in their AM?
hoary bough
i enjoyed my rotation when i was oblivious lmao
jagged pier
and making revenge hit harder and reducing the amount of block talents in the tree then opens more talent point to put into things like revenge damage or other things which they could add
unkempt hazel
i was merrily pressing it, enjoying my rotation, until someone in this disc high...
I was merrily not pressing it
jagged pier
Managing SB and having the potential for losing it isn’t great. Remember how bad...
i mean before SLs and repisal we were fine with 70% blocked hits max
so yes
glacial skiff
I remember. Was not a good time. I don’t think any tank should have the potential to have a gap in their AM if they press the button.
jagged pier
i would be fine with loosing it
hoary bough
i like having a choice between dmg and defence with my spending, it's part of what makes bdk boring imo, only one spender 
glacial skiff
Game has changed. We would not be fine now
jagged pier
its a choice to spend a charge of SB when off tank the boss in raid and potientilly not having it back by the time u need to tank
glacial skiff
And I doubt they’re going towards a model where it would be fine to not have AM