protection

[lusty grotto]

i didnt know this shit dragonrides

[grim pilot]

from 15 mobs at once

:xdd:

[lusty grotto]

fucking sweet

[strong forum]

Have you considered just deathstriking?

[lusty grotto]

never ending stoooooory

[grim pilot]

I have not

[strong forum]

Found your issue

:glueless:

[grim pilot]

I think that pwar is the only tank im comfortable enough

[south zealot]

banger tweet

[prisma crane]

worth using execute outside of SD procs? feels like with the reduced chance of tier trigger would be better of using IP and SS again

[grim pilot]

to not play like absolute donkey

[strong forum]

50-50 during execute

[grim pilot]

vdh is such a fiesta one pull I play like naowh other pull I die before I get to the mobs

[torn gulch]

damn i am looking at a 15 aa log from a prot warrior where he did 246k with aug
but he played very defensive

[strong forum]

You wanna send executes, but not all your rage

[prisma crane]

makes sense, ty

[strong forum]

And you also don't wanna send all rage into IP

So you weave both

Kinda

[prisma crane]

prob execute when SS not up but you've triggered set bonus

[toxic pewter]

is there any world where i use bullions on dreadplate

[grim pilot]

I've seen one random pwar tank 28 tot and he did like absolutely negative damage

[strong forum]

Sir, playing defensive isn't a thing

[grim pilot]

holding his demo shout for 2 minutes

[strong forum]

Either you play or you don't

[torn gulch]

he was in DS 80% of the key

that is was i meant

[south zealot]

thats just playing suboptimally

[strong forum]

That's not even required in AA huh

The only thing that does dmg there

[grim pilot]

is the bleed

[strong forum]

Is battleaxes

[grim pilot]

which u can avoid I think?

Surely u can parry

[strong forum]

Rest does literally 0 tank dmg

[grim pilot]

or stun

[strong forum]

You can parry or just stun it

[south zealot]

u can parry, out of range and stun iirc

[grim pilot]

how big is the range

[strong forum]

The range of it is pretty long

[grim pilot]

I swear I got agro once as dps

[strong forum]

Just back pedal ain't enough

[grim pilot]

and holy fuck

I was in africa

and got hit by it

[strong forum]

Yeah nah

[south zealot]

out range isnt really viable but its possible

nothing else hurts so just shield wall

[toxic pewter]

so do i want to go in dps lootspec for fyrakk, we seem to want augury more than heart or is it preference

[strong forum]

Would need to leap tf away

[south zealot]

or do literally anything

[torn gulch]

sense 15 uldaman 240k natty

doing that big dam

[strong forum]

Whatever you feel like

Both rageheart and augury aren't bis

So whatever you fancy

[toxic pewter]

i kinda want heart to help with ring

ya true they both arent amazing this season

[torn gulch]

you have gholak and embelishes

for ring

[toxic pewter]

yah true

[lusty grotto]

i guess ill go gholak this week and diurna next

since it didnt drop

[cerulean merlin]

what i should be using late in the patch

the bis bis trinkets

[strong forum]

Raid or m-

[cerulean merlin]

m+

[south zealot]

dn and dragon

[strong forum]

Enduring dread plates/splinter + cheat for turbo defense

[torn gulch]

rageheart at 535 almost 2 million hp shield with some vers but it is a total shield which sucks

[lusty grotto]

whats dn

[strong forum]

Enduring dreadplate + splinter for manly defense

[cerulean merlin]

noice, sounds good

[strong forum]

Dreadplate + anvil/signet/all-totem for dameej

[cerulean merlin]

i exitated to pick dreadplate with bulions since its so ez to drop

[toxic pewter]

dreadplate and alltotem are pretty nice that what im using now

solid combo feels good together

[strong forum]

Lucky you

Wish I had them

[prisma crane]

for keys dreadplate is actually tops for dmg?

[lusty grotto]

i just checked my vault

[strong forum]

It's really good

[toxic pewter]

both champion track tho lol

[strong forum]

Not tops, but really good

[lusty grotto]

i actually got a good vault

[strong forum]

My goal is dreadplate + all-totem

[south zealot]

i got alltotem in vault and bought dreadplate

[torn gulch]

it does loads i've seen up to 7% on sense's logs

[south zealot]

but heroic all totem

[lusty grotto]

yeah mine are all heroic

[prisma crane]

ah, nice mix of dam and def

[strong forum]

Dreadplate does roughly 3mil dmg per use

[toxic pewter]

yah i actually may buy a dreadplate i am really happy with this trinket

but then again i can kill first boss

[strong forum]

And you're practically immortal during it

[cerulean merlin]

dreadplate maybe my next buy

[strong forum]

It's an insanely good trinket for pwar

[lusty grotto]

fuck now i dont know if i should OCE for arms or just smash anvil

[strong forum]

Same Jim

Nim

Idk what my next buy should be

[prisma crane]

new name is Jim now

[strong forum]

Either oce or anvil

I love anvil, so good prio damage

[lusty grotto]

yeah fuck

[south zealot]

anvil also most fun trinket

[strong forum]

But oce is just good

[lusty grotto]

damn it

i think ill just get anvil honestly

[strong forum]

Yeah im also leaning anvil

[prisma crane]

i think im getting signet, but will eventually get others, feels weird to have a lot of viable trinket options

[strong forum]

It's just sexy

[lusty grotto]

but...

[strong forum]

Is not mythic anvil is it?

[torn gulch]

this season you can get anything

[lusty grotto]

fuck idk cause OCE exp pugs are bad

[torn gulch]

you want

[lusty grotto]

nah

but amalg pugs are ez

[strong forum]

Yeah but it's not up

For atleast another week

[lusty grotto]

true

[torn gulch]

from week 7 you'll have it every week

in a 15-16 week season

[strong forum]

Didn't they say 1 raid rotation

And then all raids?

[south zealot]

i thought it was 2

[strong forum]

Cuz they 2 week thing turned out to be wrong

[torn gulch]

in week 7 you'll get all 3

[strong forum]

Hm

Aight

Then yeah, you wont see aberrus for 2 more weeks then

[lusty grotto]

ima sim for arms and see which one does more dps myth level

and then just pick the other one

i guess thats probably the smartest thing i could do

[torn gulch]

so we get 2 bullion pieces in the next 2 weeks

rip aspect crests

and we craft as well

[strong forum]

Yeah

[torn gulch]

we actually won't be able to upgrade vault gear to 528

because we have to prioritise aspects for other things

[lusty grotto]

says who

the cap is +120 weekly

plus you get discounts

from dropped items and shit

[torn gulch]

tommorow 60 goes to crafted and between 30-75 goes to bullion gear

i mean today for na

[south zealot]

crafting gear is overrated

[strong forum]

You can just use wyrm crest for the crafted

And upgrade bigger pieces aswell

[torn gulch]

valid

[south zealot]

^

i shouldve said with aspects on that statement lol

[torn gulch]

that's a 515 vs a 525 right?

[strong forum]

Ya

[torn gulch]

then we'll prob go that way

[south zealot]

did it last season too

[lusty grotto]

k im going anvil

[south zealot]

lmao

[lusty grotto]

338k total dps yields same results with OCE set to crit

that was OCE @ haste

so if oce is that big, id rather get it with bullion

but that'll be a later buy i guess since i dont think my guild is gonna do anything serious on mythic

and since its for arms

[strong forum]

Damn you sim low

[lusty grotto]

still some champ shit and i havent crafted 2nd item

[strong forum]

I'll break into 400k this reset

[lusty grotto]

it was a 5 mins

[strong forum]

Same

[lusty grotto]

well i dunno why so low

[strong forum]

(get bsl + trinkets + legendary)

Legendary is like 25k, bsl is like 15k

Trinkets are like 10-15k each

[strong forum]

Oh

Did you sim with all buffs?

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[strong forum]

Raid talents?

[lusty grotto]

yup

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jsEE1oEwvYnZnhmoSnmcNU

thats me checking for trinket slot

oh shit my chest isnt enchanted lmao

[strong forum]

You also don't have windfury

[lusty grotto]

oh? weird i havent turned off buffs

yeah

let me check

[strong forum]

Should also get exhil blows

Instead of 1x BB

[south zealot]

is that talent back

[lusty grotto]

i heard EB was just super RNG

[strong forum]

It's still better than Bb

[lusty grotto]

but i should give it a try, i havent played it

[strong forum]

EB is super fun to play

And just more dps

Since MS is turbo prio

[lusty grotto]

true

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/caznukGKawDGe9ZRTw8g95 slightly better i guess

[strong forum]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nyvERoRCkUwEbah6Nz6hKZ

Like here is my droptimiser sim

From 3 days ago

[lusty grotto]

ill get gholak this week and next ill get diurna and replace that dirty ass crafted ring i have

might need to farm AV for arcane loop this week at least

damn

[strong forum]

(puzzlebox)

[lusty grotto]

also puzzle box

[pallid quiver]

i got a puzzle box in my war vault

everything else was stuff i already had

[lusty grotto]

its dps time for you

(:

[pallid quiver]

i mean after dungos i can upgrade lego

[lusty grotto]

nice

[pallid quiver]

I can't ankh in raid for the life of me

every time i get back up

Someone in the group runs mechs at me

every time it happens, i just wish i was a warrior again so i wouldn't have died in the first place smh

[lusty grotto]

bro that reminds me of me doing alliance raids in xiv

as a black mage

every single point blank aoe comes to me

[pallid quiver]

alliance raids were hilarious

playing that game still felt so clunk tho

[lusty grotto]

i still like it, and play it

but im done raiding savage since we fully cleared

and i dont think i have time to have 2 raid groups in wow and 1 raid group in xiv anymore so

im probably doing the casual story mode sp player and then cancelling after exp comes out

maybe resub when story patches hit and thats it

i like the raiding, i just have no time

[pallid quiver]

I'm not a fan of the general encounter design, since it feels way to stringent, and the actual rotation of classes is moderately boring and feels bad to me

I can definitely understand why people like it

but i like jank

[lusty grotto]

yeah this tier's fights are

well, they can be rough

my biggest peeve was that i played black mage and i had to bet on random mech placement in order to parse

mech at the spot im on? okay im parsing high

mech on other spot? well fuck my dps i gotta run over or pop a triple to get over the spot or else ill wipe the group

made me swap to samurai this last tier

just because of that

[pallid quiver]

yeah, bm seems like such a rough time

i mostly tanked when i played, so

And I last notably played in Stormblood, so

[lusty grotto]

tanking in xiv is kinda boring, at least now

dont get me wrong i love warrior soloing dungeons but eh

[pallid quiver]

People lost their shit at me all the time for not being in shield oath instead of sword oath

then they took that away because they got really butthurt at people not being in the tank stance

[lusty grotto]

[waxen frigate]

parsing

monkaTOS

[lusty grotto]

excuse me, barsing

[stable pawn]

Hey guys, I'm playing my Prot Warrior again since BFA (been maining other tanks in SL and DF). I noticed a few streamers where they're not using shield block anymore just spamming ignore pain. Is that accurate for this expac/season? Thought it was weird at first so I wanted to check with the group to get the correct info 🙂

[lusty grotto]

i gotta be honest

im at a loss for words

[prisma crane]

he almost got you huh lol

[lusty grotto]

LOL

[waxen frigate]

Hey guys, I'm playing my Prot Warrior again since BFA (been maining other tanks in SL and DF). I noticed a few streamers where they're not using shield block anymore just spamming ignore pain. Is that accurate for this expac/season? Thought it was weird at first so I wanted to check with the group to get the correct info 🙂

[lusty grotto]

oh he got me

cause i had to do a triple take

[south zealot]

yeah ignore pain automatically applies shield block every 400 rage you spend on it

use all your rage on ignore pain

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/real-and-true-cat-walking-gray-cat-gif-14865986020845776272

its a bunny

its a cat

its a cabbit

[south zealot]

damn im so fucking broke

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/pepega-swipe-pepega-swipe-credit-card-credit-gif-23046210

[stable pawn]

So with the reaction here I take it that's not the case then. You guys are a helpful bunch!

[south zealot]

no problem friend

[stable pawn]

Any of you lads from the top 50 leaderboard in Raider.IO who steams in Twitch? Wouldn't mind watching your playstyle to see how Prot War is currently

[woven radish]

Plka

Nextbak

And sense

I think #1,2, & 3 all steam

Stream*

[stable pawn]

Thanks, I'll look them up

[pallid quiver]

sense does have a youtube channel he uploads to at semi-random

[woven radish]

Plka probably the most consistent. Late nights US time

[south zealot]

how did i get here

wtf

[lusty grotto]

stop hacking choco

[pallid quiver]

Meanwhile, I jump on a crack

game boots me entirely, tells me to eat shit and die

[cinder nova]

Is ring 1 or 2 bullion

[pallid quiver]

2

[fast knot]

Every gear piece is 2

[pallid quiver]

All actual equips are 2

[cinder nova]

doodoo

[fast knot]

Appearances are 1

[pallid quiver]

Cosmetics other than jiggle is 1

jiggle is 3

[cinder nova]

Ay yo not the worst week tho

Got grieftorch

[south zealot]

washed up

[waxen frigate]

Nah prot just doesn’t do damage anymore sadly

[south zealot]

am also ratge

[velvet knot]

Question, do i open vault as prot or arms?

[south zealot]

what items do you need

[velvet knot]

Pretty much everything. I have garbo trinkets, and a bad shield. But i was thinking about buying a shield with bullions.

[waxen frigate]

Do you have wep and shield

[velvet knot]

i have my 1h

[waxen frigate]

Oh

Uhh

Pug Amirdrassil

[south zealot]

can craft a shield

[waxen frigate]

First boss has bis shield

If not, craft

Don’t billion a shield that’s a gigantic waste

[south zealot]

bullions for rare rings or trinkets ideally

[velvet knot]

gotcha.

[waxen frigate]

^ I got eranog ring today

[velvet knot]

and for vault?

[waxen frigate]

But I’m gearing for mixed arms and prot

[waxen frigate]

I would do arms

[velvet knot]

kk

Thanks 🙂

[waxen frigate]

If you get a shield that is

[south zealot]

idk

it depends what kind of trinkets you want

[waxen frigate]

That too

[velvet knot]

i mostly play m+

[waxen frigate]

But imo it’s more worth to just farm defensives

Since 2 of the good ones come from m+

[velvet knot]

I have 8/8 myth track m+ slots in my vault.

[south zealot]

do you have a raid vault

[velvet knot]

no raid slots

No

[waxen frigate]

Dps trinkets are more rare and more contested

[south zealot]

ngl pretty much every good trinket is from raid

so it doesnt really matter

[velvet knot]

So the good defencive trinkets come from m+?

So i should open prot?

[waxen frigate]

The best one comes from raid

[velvet knot]

gotcha

[waxen frigate]

But yeah the 2 other alternatives are keys

(Treemouth and granyth)

[velvet knot]

how do i check how many raid slots i have before opening?

[waxen frigate]

You use an addon or you use your memory

[velvet knot]

I think i did.. Some heroic last week?

[pastel sleet]

what is everyone grabbing with their bullion this week?

[south zealot]

id go prot honestly

chances are youllg et shit anyway

[waxen frigate]

I took eranog ring

[velvet knot]

Wish me luck

[waxen frigate]

Prayge

[velvet knot]

Myth chestpeice

[waxen frigate]

But I’m notably multi spec gearing

[velvet knot]

Ez

[waxen frigate]

Yoink

[south zealot]

didnt matter either wya lol

[waxen frigate]

Ez dub

[velvet knot]

if i didn't have crafted cloak

this would be kinda huge

neat. I just hit 2mil hp

Thanks guys :> Didn't matter but i still appreciate

[waxen frigate]

Chest would always be the pick over cloak

Myth chest is giga

[velvet knot]

i took chest

[waxen frigate]

Yee

[velvet knot]

catalysing it now

gonna go craft 525 bracers now

[onyx hearth]

Which are the bests pieces of gear to craft with less stats? I forgot

[cerulean vessel]

I went cloak/wrist

[toxic pewter]

Yah cloak wrist

They lowest stat budgeted items generally

[onyx hearth]

ok thanks

[worn sierra]

Hey guys! Do you try to keep up 100% on ignore pain or just use it as a dump rage? I never tanked the season 1 dungeons and I feel like there's a lot of hurting stuff

[waxen frigate]

Dump rage

[lusty grotto]

its a rage dump

like nish said

[undone beacon]

Between myth pants from vault, a freshly crafted shield, and the eranog ring from bullions, this has been a big gearing day

[pallid quiver]

Your uptime on ignore pain on difficult content depends entirely on damage profile, anyhow

[south zealot]

simp squad make dps higher

[worn sierra]

Amazing

Thanks to everyone !

[pallid quiver]

please tell me the healer was a priest giving you PI

it'd be funny

[cinder nova]

What do we drop for Alacrity in M+

TL?

[pallid quiver]

ram

Alacrity just became the new ram

[cinder nova]

I never ran Ram

[pallid quiver]

then you were losing out on dam and survival

[cinder nova]

Well I got TL and Disrupt

SD?

[pallid quiver]

You give up bloodsurge for disrupt

[cinder nova]

Didn't have surge either.

Gibe

[lusty grotto]

thats not an M+ build

🤷

SD in M+ lul

anyway nome updated the builds in the pins

[ionic pelican]

Diurna's Ring procs off of Gholak, yes?

[lusty grotto]

and shadowflame patches

and anvil

and signet

and head enchant

[ionic pelican]

Nice.

[lusty grotto]

and rageheart

and gnarlroot branch

it procs off everything

[ionic pelican]

I figured most of those. I just perfectly sure on if the weapon cantrips procced it or not.

[winter shard]

What can I drop to take disrupting shout?

[lusty grotto]

bloodsurge

[winter shard]

thanks!

[strong forum]

meh no exciting vaults

just 3x tierpiece

[lusty grotto]

[zinc wigeon]

Anyone have any tips for mythic larodar? I felt like I was just melting the whole fight, couldn't keep IP up... would just rot out after the charge running back

[lusty grotto]

why do you mention IP

[pallid quiver]

It's really a fight about managing your CDs; yopu also shouldn't be spending long out there, since you can charge-charge to get out of the fire as he runs back

And you can leap close to last second so you don't sit there long at all

[lusty grotto]

what specific part are you dying to? the charge?

or the p2 melee soaks?

[pallid quiver]

Standing in the fire after based on their statement

[lusty grotto]

oh

dstance in the lava, you should have wall running anyway

[pallid quiver]

Also, there's no reason to not be in Defensive Stance while you're out there; you're not dealing damage, so

[lusty grotto]

press SR as well

[zinc wigeon]

Maybe I'm sitting out there too long, don't feel liek I am... Nope, dying to the rot damage getting back in from the charge. Even charging back in.

[pallid quiver]

If your play is very tight, you should have Shield Wall for every one

[lusty grotto]

yup

[pallid quiver]

So then while getting back, you have Shield Wall + SR + Def Stance minimum

[lusty grotto]

unless hes doing a meme build

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/oHjfJ1v.png

[lusty grotto]

do you have logs?

[zinc wigeon]

I was in D-stance anytime I took the charge, tried to alternate rage heart and shield wall

[strong forum]

yo according to dslice sim, enduring dreadplate is my best buyfor arms

xdd

[lusty grotto]

lmaoo

[pallid quiver]

does dungeon slice even work for arms

[zinc wigeon]

Yeah, should I post them here or is there a log review? I'm swapping from VDH since my raid doesn't have a warrior, so getting the rust off

[pallid quiver]

like, i don't even know if it works for any specs

[lusty grotto]

can post here i guess

but yeah you should have wall for every one

[pallid quiver]

It's generally best to post tank logs here, since most people who review tank logs don't frequent there

[south zealot]

unfortch was a shaman

[zinc wigeon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TCG8xnfVqAvQXaJt#playermetriccompare=rankings&type=summary&source=7&fight=52

[lusty grotto]

if you arent, youre either not running the right talents, youre not using rage to trigger AM cdr and/or pressing SS often enough

[zinc wigeon]

definitely not playing perfect, tear me apart lol

[lusty grotto]

right talents i guess

you need to swap out battering ram though

[pallid quiver]

or god has specifically said he hates you in particular and you got literally zero shield slam resets somehow

[zinc wigeon]

I did after raid

I hadn't seen the updated talent so I just did that

[strong forum]

yes arms dslice is actually simmable

its maintained

[pallid quiver]

whack

[lusty grotto]

your SS CPM is super low

thats why your wall isnt resetting enough

[pallid quiver]

Your bigger issue is that you're literally standing in the fire

You can even be fine with only Shield Wall every other as long as you're not just casually jaunting out of the fire

[lusty grotto]

he has 13.2 ss cpm

[pallid quiver]

You have 2 charges used at all

[lusty grotto]

you need to be closer to 18-19

youre not pressing ss enough

[zinc wigeon]

I'll keep an eye out, feel like I was hitting it when it was up

but obviously I wasn't

[lusty grotto]

luerce is right

youre standing way too long on the lava

watching the replay

instantly charge back

press SR

its 20s cd for 25% less magic damage

[zinc wigeon]

I did when there was range

[lusty grotto]

no

press it when youre in the lava

[pallid quiver]

There's zero need to charge in the rest of the fight, so you can also always have two charges which, conveniently, is enough to cover a max leap heroic leap's worth of distance

[zinc wigeon]

I definitely needed to hit SR more, and I started to in later pulls

[pallid quiver]

Since the idea is you leap out, take his charge, charge twice, out of fire

[true summit]

@laliophobic

[lusty grotto]

you dont need to have range to press reflect

[zinc wigeon]

I meant charge, I charged back a few times and felt like I moved 3ft

[lusty grotto]

oh i see

you can charge roots also if your group is competent

and if they are close to boss

[zinc wigeon]

it was a rough night, we weren't very competent lol

[lusty grotto]

you can also talent into intervene

and/or you can run out natty, and then use leap to get back in

which sounds like it could benefit you more

[zinc wigeon]

I'll give both a shot on thursday and see which works better

I'll be more conscious of my SS casts and try to get out of the fire more

[lusty grotto]

sense does that btw

he runs out and then leaps back in

so its a good idea, if the master does it

[zinc wigeon]

I think that will work better for me, gives me more control of getting back

[pallid quiver]

Running out then leaping back in keeps you in heal range for longer, ye

Since when you're out there, you're generally on your own

[lusty grotto]

it also makes sense

since you will take a big hit

and will be hurting

if you leap before youre kind of already at full health

so its more important to run in fast since youve been chunked than to run out

[south zealot]

keys are so free

i already have a 12

[glacial skiff]

with the IP buff brutal vitality is locked in now right? or does fueled by violence still have some value in keys?

[lusty grotto]

either continues to be fine

fueled by violence is just a tiny bit better on huge pull scenarios, while brut vit is better on standard pulls

the ip buff doesnt make a meaningful change

to swap either or

[south zealot]

if this isnt peak performance idk what is

(lol)

[lusty grotto]

😄

dreadplates go brr

[winter shard]

when does haste see diminishing returns? I'm at 58% with into the fray

[lusty grotto]

7100 rating

5600 is the first dr

i believe

7100 is the 2nd

[winter shard]

I'm about there or a little over w/o the talent, so why do we choose to get more haste after 7100?

[lusty grotto]

once again, percents do not get diminishing returns

we dont

[strong forum]

meh

just did AA

only did 290k dps

with a fullwipe on first boss

cuz people be clownin

with s3 trinkets

[lusty grotto]

lol

[onyx lotus]

Can i get som help?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wN39KTjDmpq4brxa#playermetric=dps&type=damage-done&source=20&fight=last

[pallid quiver]

your rotation, very first off, needs a look at; you've got more casts of thunder clap than you do shield slam

[lusty grotto]

extremely low cpm on shield slam

press more shield slam

[onyx lotus]

what cpm to aim for

[lusty grotto]

20

or close to it

[pallid quiver]

It also looks like you got 8 casts of Shield Charge, but only 7 of Demo Shout, so you're not sending Demo on CD

[lusty grotto]

flaming slash is also spell blockable, which you didnt use at all

[pallid quiver]

he used spell block once

I'm not sure if it was while flaming slash was coming

[lusty grotto]

right but it didnt catch flaming slash

[pallid quiver]

but it was cast

[lusty grotto]

so why use it if not for it

[pallid quiver]

Then yeah, the only notable damage for tanks is the tank combo, so

[onyx lotus]

Thanks, im trying to help my co-tank survive and keep aggro. This is really helpful, i'll pass this along 😄

[lusty grotto]

you got earthen crushed ONCE without block up

thats a nono

[grave forge]

What's the reasoning behind wafting devotion enchant now and not sophic or shadowflame wreath in s1 s2

[lusty grotto]

sims better

[pallid quiver]

sims

damn beaten to it

[grave forge]

bc of s3s4 set?

[strong forum]

its just better

no

its just better

[grave forge]

just better all of sudden

[strong forum]

yes

cuz we have more gear

[lusty grotto]

not all of the sudden, literally since last season

[strong forum]

since s2

[lusty grotto]

well there you go, even farther than

[tawdry dirge]

how good or bad is that raza trinket?

[strong forum]

pretty whack

outside of VERY long fights

[tawdry dirge]

fair play it out sims a mile of my rageheart s3

but then i think i might better go with the neck in the vault big haste little mastery on it

[violet ginkgo]

then it's anvil time

[grave forge]

that was s2

[lusty grotto]

that was another writer

called llarold

[tawdry dirge]

noithing realy changed tho 😄

[grave forge]

right because his write up esp with s2 tier bonus where you get that hastes talent

[lusty grotto]

his takes didnt always align with this discord

[ionic nimbus]

Got it First ID and its totally useless in m+, would prefer the fkn footballtrinket

[grave forge]

you're hitting the softcap so maybe try to get other stats for better value

ok

i see

[tawdry dirge]

wau cheers 😄

[regal matrix]

rageheart or enduring plates?

[grave forge]

for bullion or you already got both

because bullion's got to be rageheart, mythic fyk rare vs first boss common

[lusty grotto]

no

for bullion you look at the pinned list

and its not rageheart

[regal matrix]

it says it depends on my gear

[lusty grotto]

well of course

if you have any of the items

you skip it and go to the following one

[regal matrix]

what i mean is that there is not a top

[lusty grotto]

the top is the #1

its a list

[regal matrix]

And which one is that?

[lusty grotto]

look at pins

[regal matrix]

both are in same position

[lusty grotto]

pinned list by Mwahi

[grave forge]

he's not going to have mythic fyrak very rare

[lusty grotto]

did you get #1?

[regal matrix]

im not raiding mythic so wont have any

[regal matrix]

im skipping diurna ring

[lusty grotto]

why

[regal matrix]

Because its just damage

[lusty grotto]

...

youre one of those huh

did you at least go gholak?

[regal matrix]

yeah

[south zealot]

holy i just griefed so hard

i was grouping mobs and accidentally got tapped in back and died with spell block

and then the blazing slash guys fucked me in neltharus

[regal matrix]

i mean i ll get diurna next week

[lusty grotto]

why did you go gholak then if its just damage

also

damage equals threat

[grave forge]

then i already told you if you're asking between rageheart or hellplate

one is off m fyrak very rare

other is mythic first boss common

[regal matrix]

Yes but both are as rare for me

not raiding mythic

[grave forge]

well just take my word for it

firswt boss mythic is puggable

so still more accessible

[lusty grotto]

have you read the wowhead guide?

[regal matrix]

Go rageheart then?

[south zealot]

the brightside is you can pug kazzarra

pretty free

[grave forge]

x100 than m fyrak

very rare

[lusty grotto]

it has breakdowns on what the trinkets do

[glass rune]

How good are the Diurna / Eranogg rings for us?

[grave forge]

literally the same fight

[south zealot]

theyre the best rings

[lusty grotto]

rageheart is also weaker defensively than a farmable trinket called treemouth

[glass rune]

❤️ Ty!

[lusty grotto]

and dreadplates is also way stronger offensively

so

read the wowhead guide

it literally has a breakdown

my advice is dont buy rageheart

when you can easily farm one that beats it defensively

[south zealot]

wait we are supposed to play wafting

[lusty grotto]

literally by spamming BH

[south zealot]

damn man i used like 80% of my gold on a sophic

gg

[lusty grotto]

LOL

[lusty grotto]

youll use 1.5x that on wafting dont worry

[regal matrix]

in which section of the guide is it?

[lusty grotto]

bis gear

[regal matrix]

I only find one that says "rageheart= everyones favourite trinket"

[south zealot]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear#bis-gear-raid

[lusty grotto]

it was, a season ago

[south zealot]

fyrakk is one of the only trinkets it doesnt go in depth to

[lusty grotto]

not anymore

[south zealot]

its good just not great

[lusty grotto]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear#trinkets direct link, just scroll down

[south zealot]

no main stat kinda sadge

[ionic nimbus]

Rageheart was only good because we had no BH

[grave forge]

just get rageheart, m fyrak very rare highest ilvl best bang for your bullion buck, the rest of your gear is going ot be down by 10 ilvl

[regal matrix]

So defensively you d always run cheat death + treemouth?

[south zealot]

it being highest ilvl is not a real argument

[grave forge]

highest ilvl rarest

[lusty grotto]

right choco

[regal matrix]

it doesnt really change much with ilv

[ionic nimbus]

No Mainstat, no short CD and one big shield… nothing is very good

[grave forge]

least accessible

[jagged pier]

but other trinkets are better

doesnt matter aboout ilvl on trinkets

[south zealot]

it being very rare does not make it better than other available options

[regal matrix]

I might go with treemoth cheat death and just buy diurna

[south zealot]

the volcoross necklace is vary rare and very useless

[lusty grotto]

☝️

[regal matrix]

Not a fan of having to farm BH but at least I get crests too

[ionic nimbus]

Cheat Death Trinket is useless in 99% of the keys

[regal matrix]

fake news

[white umbra]

Not to mention a crutch

[lusty grotto]

well at least BH is an easy dungeon

[south zealot]

i mean its real news

[unkempt hazel]

I rly enjoy splinter one

[south zealot]

you shouldnt be dying in most of your keys

[ionic nimbus]

BH is a fun Dungeons

[regal matrix]

if u do any decent lv key

no way you dont go cheat death to prevent missplay

[white umbra]

Bh fun until you have to run it over and over

[south zealot]

define decent

[regal matrix]

anything you find hard past a 10

[lusty grotto]

???

[south zealot]

uh oh i got a 13 aa

idk if this rat character can live crawth

without just eating shit

[unkempt hazel]

I did a 7 aa and already felt ass

[regal matrix]

pwar bad in AA?

[white umbra]

Naw

[unkempt hazel]

dunno, but im just bad

[lusty grotto]

AA easy

[regal matrix]

just started my pwar today so dont know

[unkempt hazel]

was first time prot tanking

[south zealot]

crawth is jsut a hard boss for pwar bc bleeds are dangerous

[lusty grotto]

that bleed is nerfed though

[violet ginkgo]

is Ouroboreal Necklet actually good for prot war?

[lusty grotto]

its not s1 bleed

[pallid quiver]

S1 Crawth bleed was a fun time to think about

[regal matrix]

Weird that pwar is weak against bleeds (thematically)

[south zealot]

its not as bad as it was thats for sure

[lusty grotto]

the big hit is the problem

[ionic nimbus]

Dwarf makes it much easier too

[lusty grotto]

but we have tools for that

[south zealot]

no youre better off with a better statted necklace

the procs are basically useless

[regal matrix]

NE always better

[south zealot]

NE always better

alright

[lusty grotto]

guy picks cheat death

doesnt go dwarf

literally just started tanking today

jeez

[regal matrix]

lol

[lusty grotto]

idk how to go about this

[regal matrix]

let me explain to you

NE= you can do whatever route you want

[lusty grotto]

uh huh

[regal matrix]

cheat death= you are allowed a missplay every 8min

[lusty grotto]

didnt you literally just start tanking today?

[regal matrix]

Dwarf= oh nice i can remove a bleed that im likely to survive anyways

[lusty grotto]

wait till you start getting bled

[regal matrix]

as pwar

[ionic nimbus]

Don’t miss play every 8 minutes

[lusty grotto]

LOL

[south zealot]

can you get catchup sparks

[lusty grotto]

hes gonna eat those words LMAO

[south zealot]

i havent gotten any

[regal matrix]

No way you go dwarf for a single boss

[south zealot]

i really dont wanan do a superbloom or dreamsurge or whatever the fuck those are

[lusty grotto]

no

try for a full season

of dungeons

[unkempt hazel]

this is true, u go dwarf forever

[lusty grotto]

with bleeds and debuffs

[unkempt hazel]

like a chad

[ionic nimbus]

I should work but this is so much fun..

[south zealot]

bleeds are consistently the main issue for prot warrior

bleeds and consistent magic damage

[lusty grotto]

you wanna go NE, you go VDH

or bear

[regal matrix]

already did, pwar is an alter

[unkempt hazel]

dwarf dh when

[lusty grotto]

ok, have fun in 6s

[unkempt hazel]

the superior race

[mystic radish]

Shield > any armor piece? Could upgrade from 522 to 528. Same goes for armor. Does it matter which stats the shield got?

[south zealot]

yes do shield

[regal matrix]

but i want to be able to skip trash packs

[ionic nimbus]

The day vDH got nerfed, cool ppl r spawning here

[regal matrix]

the nerf is a little one tho

[south zealot]

@lusty grotto should i send my key

or gear through others ppls keys

[glad jacinth]

are we taking disruptive shout for m+?

[orchid gulch]

There's some... Interesting takes in here today lol

[south zealot]

if you want

you dont need it but if you feel mor comfortable with it you can

you drop bloodsurge for it if youre taking it

[lusty grotto]

13 AA? can send honestly

[glad jacinth]

thank you 🙂

[south zealot]

am worried

[lusty grotto]

nah

dont be

[south zealot]

ok

[lusty grotto]

only boss that will chunk you is crawth,

but you can manage

[south zealot]

might have to actually pop a dstance sometimes

[regal matrix]

Is there any drawback in just using dstance for every bleed?

[lusty grotto]

well, tree if people are idiots and dont play stops on lashers and/or you dont get dispelled (remember dwarf)

[south zealot]

you lose some damage but sometimes even dstance isnt enough

if you wanna play nelf thats fine lol

just dwarf is consistently better for tanking shit

[regal matrix]

I just hate not to be able to do some routes just because im not a NE

[south zealot]

you can just save your battle potion

[orchid gulch]

About 5% DPS loss or so for every bleed, but aside of that, no. But a sufficiently heavy bleed effect will still put pressure on you and your healer.

[lusty grotto]

what route can you NOT do as any other race

can you answer me that?

[regal matrix]

AV definitely, BH too

[lusty grotto]

just fucking die in AV and get rezzed

not a big deal

are you doing 16s?

why are you even doing these strats lmao

[south zealot]

i cant even count to 16 holy moly

[regal matrix]

Because those are fun lol, why do people feel the need to play as basic as possible just because they're not doing WF keys

[lusty grotto]

well i hope your group mates agree with you

[south zealot]

less effort

[lusty grotto]

when you can just press W in most of the keys anyway

[jagged pier]

press w is more fun because more damage

[south zealot]

im still unable to find other groups

[regal matrix]

you just have to pull the mob to the left and meld, not a big effort

[south zealot]

in queue

wtf

[regal matrix]

not hard to pull off

[south zealot]

so have your boomkin do it

[lusty grotto]

not hard to pull both mobs to either side and die

mass rez reaches fine

[south zealot]

they pick a stupid class they do stupid shit

[regal matrix]

I hate depending on other people too

[lusty grotto]

AV pull vs dispelling 6 different bleeds in most of the dungeons hmm

[regal matrix]

like in ataldazar to skip the last pack

[lusty grotto]

oh

you do?

[south zealot]

so you depend on people not fucking up a skip

[lusty grotto]

and YOURE DOING 16 ROUTES?

lmaooooo

[regal matrix]

Im not doing 16s routes as in requiring a lot of coordination

[unkempt hazel]

[regal matrix]

Im just doing some skips

[brittle owl]

why skip

[regal matrix]

Is it that hard to understand or are you here for a little laugh

[brittle owl]

just w

[lusty grotto]

im def here for a little laugh

[south zealot]

im here until i get some chads to queue into my group

[lusty grotto]

since 2019 actually

little laughs make my day go by

[regal matrix]

Good but dont try to get them out of misunderstanding people on purpose lol

[lusty grotto]

ok

have fun with uldaman bleeds, crawth, poisons, etc

you dont like to depend on others? well i hope youre not depending on dispels or cauts

[regal matrix]

i go kyrian

[orchid gulch]

Uldaman bleeds

[south zealot]

:kekw

[mystic radish]

Main hand doesnt count towards shield upgrades? O: Used to upgrade my shields all the time due to me having a higher main hand.

[lusty grotto]

2 hand does

main hand doesnt no

[mystic radish]

Ah crap

[south zealot]

yooo im up to 2k gold by selling shit in my bags

up big

[lusty grotto]

thats why us that maxed leggo got free uppies for both 1h and shield

[regal matrix]

NE racial for skips feel balanced since you can just die, but needing to be a dwarf for very high keys must suck

[lusty grotto]

lmaoooo

[mystic radish]

Does 1h count towards 2h? 😛

gonna farm a 2h then

[regal matrix]

I almost had to reroll my ppal to dwarf because of tott

but rerolled to vdh instead lol

[south zealot]

man brew is op im watching equinox just loh himself every 6 seconds on crawth

why cant i do that

[lusty grotto]

i wonder what the top 3 warrior tanks are playing race wise

lets see

[unkempt hazel]

remind me what loh was

[ionic nimbus]

Not if u r playing Cheat Death lulz

[south zealot]

lay on hands

[orchid gulch]

You do not need to be anything for anything unless you're running cutting edge keys, there's ways around most things or an alternative, but dwarf just helps a lot with some of our greatest weaknesses

[mystic radish]

Human trinket best ^^ fuck this entangled stuff

[regal matrix]

Thats why I want to go NE

[unkempt hazel]

oh

[regal matrix]

but it must suck for those doing 15+

[unkempt hazel]

the heal thingy yea

[lusty grotto]

hmm

i wonder if theres any prot warrior playing NE

[south zealot]

critcake is nelf

[regal matrix]

I wonder if theres any prot warrior playing

[unkempt hazel]

look at these fake top warriors

[south zealot]

:3

[lusty grotto]

oh look theres a blood elf

[unkempt hazel]

relying on crutches

/s

[south zealot]

who the fuck is blood elf

[lusty grotto]

dwarf

[orchid gulch]

Though why claim that NE is always best though, then?

[lusty grotto]

that guy

#7 is a tauren

[regal matrix]

It's what happens when you take context out of a conversation. I never said it was objectively the best

[lusty grotto]

#9 is a void elf

#10 is a troll

EVERYONE ELSE

[regal matrix]

I said "a bleed that you can survive regardless" which obviously means in a normal level

[lusty grotto]

is dwarf lol

[regal matrix]

which key levels are doing?

[lusty grotto]

yes?

[south zealot]

check chocotwo

[unkempt hazel]

hm?

[south zealot]

[lusty grotto]

you and brew are special

[regal matrix]

Actual question, why do you play pwar?

[unkempt hazel]

where are my fellow tauren chads

[south zealot]

itzchocotime is tauren

[pallid quiver]

i'm a cow, but i'm a filthy casual guildless cow

I barely push past 20/10s

[orchid gulch]

I dunno. Message and explanation afterwards is pretty clear, and as far as I can see the topic beforehand was already bleed effects.

[regal matrix]

in my keys

[unkempt hazel]

disGUSTING

[lusty grotto]

guy is s-keying so fast hes flat out contradicting himself

[unkempt hazel]

not even a bearded chad

[lusty grotto]

talk about a backpedal

how dare you disrespect the chef

[unkempt hazel]

whats that shield

[lusty grotto]

brewfest shield

[unkempt hazel]

ty

[regal matrix]

no one answers an actual question but everyone tries to laugh at me

[unkempt hazel]

need me some more silly shields

[jagged pier]

because the answer if very simple, they enjoy it

thats the only reason to play somthing

[regal matrix]

Then why do you enjoy it? Because thats my question

[orchid gulch]

How far back in the discussion did you mention that it was regarding your keys? I got up until where you asked for gear recommendations.

[unkempt hazel]

they enjoy pwar but they're also competitive

doesn't get more simple than that I don't think

[south zealot]

its fun to play

[regal matrix]

you can see how im using "I" all the time

[unkempt hazel]

when u push there comes a point where u want as much help as possible

and that racial is just too gooder

[regal matrix]

But you mean the general rotation?

[unkempt hazel]

I just like a big armored cow with a shield

[south zealot]

i guess?

i like the fast paced gameplay

and how the class functions

i like optimizing damage the best i can with this class

[orchid gulch]

Most of your contributions up until this point seem to be aimed at the general public. At least a quick check shows that you have used more a 'you' approach than an 'i' approach in most of your statements.

[regal matrix]

For example I started ppal because of utility (really liked to support my team) and then vdh because of how fast you can set up + the control + mobility

[unkempt hazel]

whats the argument anyway

[jagged pier]

i liked it because it was the most complex to play not its fire and forget its boring

[orchid gulch]

These are valid reasons to play a class and if those are what makes them fun for you, completely understandable.

I, for my part, just like being the guy showing up to the magic fight with a big shield.

[regal matrix]

hes doing a study on my messages to see what i meant exactly while taking context out of them

[jagged pier]

but i prefer premit to reactive game play everytime

so its still my favourite tank to play

[regal matrix]

so you d say pwar is reactive?

[jagged pier]

no

[unkempt hazel]

im more of a brm enjoyer myself

[jagged pier]

as i said i prefer premitigation to reactive

[unkempt hazel]

but pwar pretty fun too, but a bit complicated

[jagged pier]

prot warrior is reactive if it was

i wouldnt play it

[south zealot]

no tank is reactive really

[jagged pier]

bdk

is literally reactive

[regal matrix]

u get oneshot if u play it reactively tho

[jagged pier]

paladin is also reactive

[regal matrix]

ppal no way

[unkempt hazel]

brm to an extent

[regal matrix]

u die

100%

[jagged pier]

i dont think u guys understand

[regal matrix]

ppal needs you to plan every cd to rotate them all the time

[jagged pier]

your suppose to heal back up with death strike

or wog

thats reactice game play

[regal matrix]

its not

[jagged pier]

its literally build into the spec

[unkempt hazel]

how is bdk not reactive

[regal matrix]

if u play like that as ppal, u go oom

[ionic nimbus]

Maybe skipping the trash with ne, so nothing to react 5head

[urban bane]

dont you have free wogs

[unkempt hazel]

[urban bane]

or someshit

[jagged pier]

yes

[unkempt hazel]

oom??

[orchid gulch]

I am sorry that you oerceive it this way. I am just trying to understand your arguments, although your history in this channel does not seem to support your current claim.

[regal matrix]

You dont want your hp to go down as ppal, thats why you plan DRs

[jagged pier]

even brm is reactive to an exstent as u are supposed to expel harm, but its the least reactive which is why its my second favoruite

or well was

dont like the play style atm

[regal matrix]

ppal is 0 reactive

[unkempt hazel]

well pb also is reactive

[jagged pier]

yer

but last time i played brw properly u didnt press PB

[unkempt hazel]

say wut

[jagged pier]

well not much

cause stagger makes u go burrrr

[unkempt hazel]

did smth change last 2 seasons

[pallid quiver]

A long time ago, Jakey's talking about iirc

[jagged pier]

^^

[regal matrix]

I was exagerating about NE since I like the racial a whole lot, because I love skips. But you can see how a bit later I say I almost had to reroll to dwarf with my ppal, and how dwarf is op in high keys

[pallid quiver]

was it like, bfa or something

i can't remember tbh

[south zealot]

as bdk u have to know when damage is comign in

and stack runic power

[unkempt hazel]

oh lol

I just cant quite imagine not using pb

[pallid quiver]

Meanwhile, DKs sending death strike for damage to avoid overcapping:

[unkempt hazel]

in current state

[jagged pier]

almost like i said i dont like the play style atm

[unkempt hazel]

counterpoint

im fury main

I cant read

[jagged pier]

[unkempt hazel]

[pallid quiver]

I think managing stagger is kinda neat

[unkempt hazel]

(honestly didnt notice)

my bad

[pallid quiver]

But usually, the flavor and tone of a class is what gets me to play it

that's actually why my dk alt has been played less and less

It just, sound effect wise, especially for blood, doesn't feel as impactful anymore

[unkempt hazel]

I'd main brm if I liked ww

alas

[regal matrix]

What i find eh about pwar is revenge

[urban bane]

i liked bdk pre legion. not a fan since those changes

[jagged pier]

revenge is just filler

[unkempt hazel]

I rly dislike bdk's identity tbf