but some times it still happens and i just go yep u are dead
#protection
cerulean merlin
they know is their fault at least
something like this should be fine after reset right ?
cerulean merlin
battering ram > enduring alacrity
strong forum
Ya it's likely the play after reset for keys
pallid quiver
Is battering ram still looking stronger in ST, Nome?
strong forum
Likely, ye
pallid quiver
at least they're both passive so i only have to grumble about it while setting trees up
onyx hearth
something like this should be fine after reset right ?
I kinda prefer heavy repercussions over into the fray for keys
vestal moat
Are there any shields we can buy with bullion that have higher item level from end bosses, higher than 528.
Like the Broodkeeper or Echo one? How high do they go.
waxen frigate
I kinda prefer heavy repercussions over into the fray for keys
Cooked
Perma haste is insane
waxen frigate
Are there any shields we can buy with bullion that have higher item level from e...
I don’t believe so anymore
I think all non-“very rare” items are normalized
cerulean merlin
hmmmmm does anyone know why dradplates is simming so much better then signet and anvil?
for 5 targets at least
strong forum
Cuz it pumps
cerulean merlin
its not even close
maiden forge
cause its cracked
vivid orchid
it does its damage x5 is why
vivid orchid
and it has no cap
cerulean merlin
i already have terros trinket so i was wondering what to get this week, i guess still signet since dreadplates is so much esier to drop right ?
mild jolt
maybe dump question but.. Does Gholak's Schadowflame, triggers diurnas ring? or is Shadowflame seperated from "normal" fire dmg?
vivid orchid
?
karmic plinth
maybe dump question but.. Does Gholak's Schadowflame, triggers diurnas ring? or ...
it triggers it
shadowflame is just shadow and fire dmaage at the same time
vivid orchid
im not talking about the number of plates
mild jolt
it triggers it
Thank you, that makes the purchase easyer for me
karmic plinth
i already have terros trinket so i was wondering what to get this week, i guess ...
id think on it the other way because this week amirdrassil is empowered so you are able to try and scheme a signet drop this week more than a dreadplates
cerulean merlin
the problem is i play in a guild... and so much dps want signet
cerulean merlin
dreadplates is just me and the other tank
karmic plinth
if you arent in a rush to get dreadplates you could bullion the signet brand but it wont be up in rotation again until at least another bullion and a halfs time
mild jolt
but y could get it from the vault.
i got i nthe first week a trinekt from Amidrasil ( pips) in my vault
pallid quiver
dreadplates is just me and the other tank
i lost dreadplates to a dps in raid
jagged pier
mild jolt
thats.. sad
waxen frigate
there is literally nothing at all that says that
Ok ngl I can’t find it on wowhead but I can say with absolute certainty it’s capped at 5 on live servers
vivid orchid
so if thats the case then we get mad at blizzard for yet another obtuse description?
waxen frigate
I think wowhead just had the old version
vivid orchid
as the servers aren't up the listing for the item on the armory itself shows nothing about caps either
granite pond
Tooltips being wrong? Not in my Blizzard!
waxen frigate
Just got confirmation from someone actively using it on EU servers
jagged pier
imagine bliz having accurate tooltips
violet ginkgo
Likely, ye
cook us something after the reset then for raid and M+ 🙂
🙏
granite pond
My favorite thing about dreadplates is when my brain just uses it on cooldown and the pack dies and then the lasers go pew pew pew into nothing
pallid quiver
sense will do that first
Watch him rock bleed support
drifting socket
Ya it's likely the play after reset for keys
is the strength bonus from enduring also taken into consideration over battering ram?
mild jolt
Nice.. First legy Log this Season.
+8 uldaman 🥰🥳
waxen frigate
Nice job!
mild jolt
phone screenshot?
yeha, was lazy 😄
granite pond
who is the absolute carry in 4th spot
mild jolt
ok, didnt know that shortcut
strong forum
is the strength bonus from enduring also taken into consideration over battering...
its an armor bonus
but yes
armor -> str = good
so the 2% haste + the str (and also the stam) makes it likely just better in every aspect for keys
drifting socket
its an armor bonus
yeah I know it's armor, I'm refering to Armored to the teeth
waxen frigate
so the 2% haste + the str (and also the stam) makes it likely just better in eve...
Wait I misread them
Then
granite pond
EA for keys, BR for ST raid fights
strong forum
ya
granite pond
probably?
urban bane
dratnos said warrior stonks rising so his prot warrior discord cosplay is almost complete
drifting socket
so the 2% haste + the str (and also the stam) makes it likely just better in eve...
okay so you'd drop battering ram for enduring, what if you wanted disrupting shout?
strong forum
who made this
granite pond
god
urban bane
replace face with heroic strike? 🤔
granite pond
only if heroic strike keeps the beard
pallid quiver
I want heroic strike back
waxen frigate
if it is ban worthy i understand 🫡
pallid quiver
Playing cata classic feels so good getting to press heroic strike ogcd again
mild jolt
is prot getting buffs/nerfs on reset ? or why the change from battering ram to endurance?
lusty grotto
look at wowhead
pallid quiver
Mostly damage changes, but enduring alacrity is pretty much getting buffed to double
glass ibex
mild jolt
thanks a lot ❤️
glass ibex
yw
hmm i find it interesting looking at mythicstats.com and archon.gg of the top 5 builds I'm only seeing battering ram in the #4 build on mythicstats.com used in 3.1% of the runs
lusty grotto
raider.io rankers are not you
therefore those builds have no relevance
to what we recommend here
aggregate sites are also a trap
whats popular is not often whats best
and vice versa
lusty tiger
This picture is so based
pastel sleet
i have a question about mitigation math.
new enduring alacrity is
10% stam
10% armor
2% haste
the stam and haste are straight forward.
stam increases base health pool as well as hp pool based healing (AKA indomitable)
Haste is haste
but 10% armor, what kind of mitigation does that mean in df s4. does it mean we take 10% less physical damage? (i dont think thats how the math works)
math guru please help
vestal moat
Hover over your armor tooltip on your character sheet. It will tell you your phyiscal DR against an equal level mob. Hover over it both with and without the talent and you'll see the exact difference. TLDR it's way less than 10% additional DR.
my guess is 2-3%
humble schooner
makes the talent more attractive, but hard to find a point for it
plush tendon
they want us to drop Battering Ram
humble schooner
I don't use that anyway, im bad apparently lol
plush tendon
the math is still tbd
urban bane
This picture is so based
i put it on twitter yesterday but pretty quickly deleted it out of shame 
lusty tiger
i put it on twitter yesterday but pretty quickly deleted it out of shame <:peepo...
It is a work of art! You should be proud
waxen frigate
i put it on twitter yesterday but pretty quickly deleted it out of shame <:peepo...
Post it and link it I’ll like it
tawny plover
funny how the updates channel flat out ignores prot 
gritty tartan
do we know how the buffs coming today will change our m+ build ? we are dropping battering ram for enduring alacrity ?
strong forum
Ya
bleak breach
The real question Nom, is doing I need to change my st raid build?
lusty tiger
Post it and link it I’ll like it
waxen frigate
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1235907106809581589.gif?size=96&quality=lossle...
What are you, poor?
lusty tiger
Nish wished he smelled like yogurt
waxen frigate
Nish wished he smelled like yogurt
Your yogurt
waxen frigate
lusty tiger
toxic pewter
daring bolt
So Chargath the spoonface is still bugged and after chains does nothing for ages and then just cast fiery focus forever without ever sending a fresh set of chains out
jagged gust
I'm so glad my guildies who missed S2 get to experience that bug, it really defined m+ for me
grim pilot
@lusty grotto
hoi
need more pad
to get that round number
my anvil did only 6% this time
with 100% uptime
urban bane
So Chargath the spoonface is still bugged and after chains does nothing for ages...
Yeah I did that dungeon a lot in s2. Never saw the bug once. I’ve done it like 5 times this season And I’ve seen the bug at least 3
lusty grotto
jagged gust
I don't know if it's just bias but near the end of the season it felt like the bug was happening every couple of runs
jagged gust
with 100% uptime
I really need to stop macroing anvil to shield slam
80% uptime andy over here
lusty grotto
I don't know if it's just bias but near the end of the season it *felt* like the...
nah in s2 it was happening cause people died with chains
in this season
daring bolt
Yeah I did that dungeon a lot in s2. Never saw the bug once. I’ve done it like 5...
I thought in S2 it was to do with immunities
toxic pewter
Chargath my least favorite boss right now
Feel like they increased his damage even or something
It’s weird
urban bane
No and no
daring bolt
yeah could be vanish was with a rogue
thorn kettle
What's this post buffs build people are referring to? I still see the same Battering Ram build with no Enduring Alacrity in the #268491842637660160 guides.
lusty grotto
servers arent even up
give it a break
what are you gonna do? respec your character outside the game?
chill
urban bane
I had it happen with a DK, two warriors, a Druid (no nelf) and a shaman xd
Shits just bugged
lusty grotto
like i said i havent had it happen
if it was consistent we could try to reproduce
and see what causes it
do you have a log by any chance?
urban bane
Ya can check when I get home
daring bolt
yeah sure (you'll have to excuse my gameplay though i was very distracted due to cat related antics)
daring bolt
yeah we only pulled him once
lusty grotto
ok 1 sec checking
daring bolt
not sure why it's showing multiple maybe part of the bugs
daring bolt
because he is a spoonface
lusty grotto
it takes 30s for any standard fight to do fiery focus
and yet
your log has him cast it right off the bat
shut summit
daring bolt
no so when he was pulled it was normal until last of the first section until chains are done
daring bolt
so first set of chains then he did nothing until the second set should of come then he cast fiery forever
i do another key and come back to this 😄
lusty grotto
theres.... a reset?
jagged gust
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KTbMPk1Dw8CV2QAH#fight=last&start=1531451&e...
All according to plan
lusty grotto
literally
a reset in that pull
so
let me check
vanish was used 5 times
no feigns
seems fucky
fiery focus needs to go off 30s after engaging
urban bane
ya if id chalk it up to anything it is just his spell queuing is borked
lusty grotto
no
urban bane
and if for whatever reason an ability cast is delayed it can delay him doing the chains but his energy is at full so he says "now time to use my full energy ability!"
lusty grotto
im on it
encounter started at 11:41
30s later aka 12:09 spears are casted
12:15 fiery focus
thats the first one
did you say spears didnt go out on the first one?
cause theres a 2nd one
1 minute later
and yet druid and hunter arent on it
but they didnt die during it
but you did get 1 spear
on the rogue and you?
im looking at what the hunter and druid were doing at 13:51
oh the hunter def did die
and so did the druid
idk
feels pretty normal to me
sorry when again did chains bug?
jagged gust
vanish at 13:45, but only 3 seconds so should end just short of the initial cast
lusty grotto
all im seeing is first chains working correctly
then hunter and druid dying, so he and rogue get chains
kinda seems correct
are you sure this is the right log?
i guess ill wait until he answers
since they all died except the rogue
urban bane
yes there is evidence it is the right log
lusty grotto
im guessing he meant the first chains
because all the deaths are at 13:26 and 13:27
might be a visual log
because the log reports that chains were indeed casted
urban bane
tribal wharf
arent they bringing back ZA i think i heard?
lusty grotto
might explain a lot if it was graphics settings
tribal wharf
zg, the old one that got reworked
tribal wharf
its the one with the blood lord and sword at the end, the temple thing in the swamp whatever florida place
lusty grotto
NA Servers are up!
tribal wharf
he does the chains, thought they were bringing back that guy, im not sure how i feel about him being in keys :S
urban bane
bump
tired magnet
Should i still go fury for vault even if I need a shield upgrade?
lusty grotto
museless you guys claim that the chains never appeared, and yet yes i did put that the chains were casted super early on
#protection message literally here
so it has to be a graphic bug
because the chains were indeed reporting damage
and were casted, and landed
tribal wharf
maybe that was an april fools thing i read
urban bane
I don't think you understand the bug or that chart.
tribal wharf
they are bringing back cata dungeon
toxic pewter
2 bullion quest is confirmed in game
lusty grotto
this is literally what i read
toxic pewter
woot
urban bane
Well, take a second to think about it. The first two charts show when buffs/debuffs are gained of Grounding Chain and Fiery Focus.
The final shows damage done by Grounding spear
look at where the bumps are and draw your own conclusions on whether it is a visual bug or is actually not going out
lusty grotto
i asked to explain the bug because you claimed i didnt understand it
so whats the bug then?
explain it to me
urban bane
They went out the first time, hence the bump in the chart I linked.
The second time they do not go out.
lusty grotto
your link does nothing i already put all the necessary info
cause they were dead bro
urban bane
The third time they do.
lusty grotto
they literally died before the 2nd cast
if theyre dead theyre not getting chains
if they die to chains the chain stays up
so no they wont get the 2nd set, they are dead
thats intended
urban bane
Take a second here to slow down and again look at the chart i linked.
daring bolt
did you say spears didnt go out on the first one?
spears went out normal on first. was cleared normal then the boss did nothing until he cast fiery focus a 2nd time and after 10-15secs or so chains appeared on me + rogue (only 2 left alive)
ionic nimbus
Dont mess with Nimchip when you r not prepared guys
urban bane
He's not seeing where the problem is
urban bane
lusty grotto
i dont need to see it
12:09 chains go out
people die at 13:26
13:51 2nd set of chains go out
urban bane
And the boss casts fiery focus how many times?
lusty grotto
fiery focus keeps going until hes stunned
daring bolt
when i say did nothing i mean he stood there stunned and then cast fiery focus ~1 minute later
lusty grotto
no stun = no fiery focus end
lusty grotto
this amount of times
daring bolt
twice once after first chains then ~1 minute later after casting nothing at all but standing there stunned (i mean nothing no frontals no leaps just stood stunned)
lusty grotto
so at around 12:51 there should be a chains cast
daring bolt
it's clearly bugged as logs arent showing what happened, like big wigs where showing casts should be happening and then clearing but the boss did nothing
timber viper
any updates for the new talents and prot changes
urban bane
and you're saying there isnt one and it is working as intended because they are dead, right?
lusty grotto
i was saying that the 2nd set was correct
i didnt say anything about the missing casts
daring bolt
it doesn't matter it was bugged 😄 i was just saying it as it was amusing it's still around since s2
urban bane
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8PMTa1gWvzf3jdc2#fight=13&type=deaths&pull=5&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24auras-gained%241%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%24375055^0%24Separate%24%23909049%24auras-gained%241%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%24374482 here's one from when it happened over the weekend to me
no deaths still missed chains cast. no vanish or shadowmeld used.
lusty grotto
12:53 rogue vanish
i think
lol
could it be
chains are targetting pets
grove guardians
hunter pets
denizens of the dream
cerulean merlin
i have champion gear in both slots, what should be better in the long run
bad vault as aways
cerulean merlin
another haste mastery neck, a hero shoulder that is not tier set and this
lusty grotto
what are your current shoulders
timber viper
any talent changes post this update
cerulean merlin
i already have hero shoulder in tier
lusty grotto
is that it
cerulean merlin
yep
hybrid cloak
we have anyway to proc the nature component on this guy?
lusty grotto
shrug pick whatever then luci
cerulean merlin
sadge
azure nimbus
Hi guys, few question about choice of ring Seal of Diurna's Chosen. Is shadowflame damage considered as fire ? If no, as long as i can remember the only fire damage we are doing is with the helmet enchant right ? is it enough to make the proc worth the call ? And last question, do we know the proc of this ring ?
lusty grotto
we have anyway to proc the nature component on this guy?
that effect is negligible and doesnt really do shit
what is ombreflame
gholak, helm enchant, shadowflame patches, rageheart, anvil, signet all do fire damage
hybrid cloak
okay just say you dont know if you dont. cheers.
lusty grotto
the effect doesnt do anything
literally a baby shield
there reason we want it is because its the highest ilvl neck in the game
at its myth track
thats it
the effect is absolutely nothing
literally sprinkles on top
and NO
WE CANT CAST NATURE
crimson umbra
hybrid cloak
there are other necks at 528
lusty grotto
are you able to buy them with bullions? think about it for a second and then read this: they dont matter
toxic pewter
mythic grannoth scale is pretty dogshit right cuz i didnt take it
storm flicker
noob question: how to we trigger Seal of Diurna as prot ? shadowflame patch ?
lusty grotto
storm flicker
thanks
pallid patio
it doesn't matter it was bugged 😄 i was just saying it as it was amusing it's s...
i had the same happen 2 times already. boss stood there and does nothing then endlessly casting fiery focus without chains.
dont even try to get infos or valuable feedback here
echo egret
is it me or they boosted all the tankbusters hits this season ?
hardy snow
cant wait to do Tindral again, with dk co-tank, so I dont tank, just run around and smash buttons
timber viper
@strong forum hey are there talent changes for M+ with the .7 updates?
lusty grotto
you dont have to ping him
swap battering ram with enduring, thats it
for M+
for ST it stays the same
undone beacon
holy tier batman
I'm tempted to upgrade my All-totem from LFR to Heroic here, since I'm using the crafted haste proc pants but
I also have a hero splinter and dreadplate so its not really needed
lusty grotto
why are you using the crafted haste proc pants
undone beacon
I made them last season when I wasnt taking things too seriously and thought they'd be fun in M+ haha
lusty grotto
well they are bad
undone beacon
Why? They simmed pretty well damage wise, having a big ol haste boost pulling a pack feels pretty good too
undone beacon
Yeah I mean thats fair, I just crafted what I thought would be fun last season to mess around
I should craft a shadowflame something or other
lusty grotto
well i mean
you crafted them last season, doesnt mean you have to recraft them this one
youre not stuck with them
new spark, new crests
lusty grotto
thats fine
undone beacon
I've had really bad luck with shields thus far but I dont want to stoop to the level of crafting one lol
obtuse ledge
yeah now that im on and i see bloodsurge and disrupting shout its a no brainer
lusty grotto
a shield craft is miles better than haste legs though
undone beacon
I wish the Shadowed Impact Buckler wasnt shit
lusty grotto
so you wouldnt be stooping low at all
you already did that with haste legs lmao
in fact, a shield craft is a smart craft if you dont have access to myth shields
undone beacon
Well eventually I will with bullions but thats way off in the future so
lusty grotto
at the very least make sure you have a big shield
as highest of a track as you can manage to farm
its one of our most important pieces
if not the most important defensive-wise
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> hey are there talent changes for M+ with the .7 updates?
talent builds are up to date
undone beacon
Yeah i've been stuck with an 8/8 champ rlp shield which isnt great
Whats the MO on sims for prot warr? Is there really a point?
daring mantle
Is it worth dropping Battering Ram for something like Enduring Alacrity after the changes?
echo egret
Can someone remind me the maths behind k-value ?
lusty grotto
k value is a constant
urban portal
It’s a number that changes between difficulties to make your armor weaker essentially
lusty grotto
right
urban portal
Armor and block
vocal flame
anyone else seeing this in LFG?
lusty grotto
everyone is
undone beacon
yeah its broken, no surprise there
vocal flame
ah ok thought it was just me
undone beacon
my guild tab is also broken haha
vocal flame
Hell yeah!
limber warren
so with our 2 extra bullions this week what should we buy if we already bought the BiS one hand? i still need a trinket and a neck piece other than that all gear is hero. or crafted.
lusty grotto
limber warren
<a:checkthepins:1061892181561970758>
Thanks!ill never ask this question again.
has there been any information what has been changed with the buffing of Prot warriors? with the battering ram talent?
lusty grotto
pinned talents are updated
the buffs arent really buffs
nothing changes except for one talent in M+ only
limber warren
dope.
acoustic ocean
should you wish to take disrupting, what would you drop?
lusty grotto
bloodsurge
cerulean merlin
is one of them better for m+ / raid ?
lusty grotto
undone beacon
Is the shield from the Filial Duty ring substantial enough to consider getting it over the Eranog ring this week or is that trolling?
lusty grotto
the effect is an added bonus
the reason we get it (and literally all classes in the game) is not the shield itself
its because its bullion bought and myth at its highest lvl
undone beacon
Its the extra ilvl, yeah
lusty grotto
its not worth over eranog though
undone beacon
Gotcha gotcha
lusty grotto
but you will get it eventually
that being said, yes the shield is a lot better than volc neck
prisma crane
whats that site that does the meta-data shit and shows most common gear/talents and stuff?
prisma crane
sick, thanks!
subcreation was the one i was thinking of
oh i didnt realize that wcl and archon merged and absorbed subcreation
was just curious because i see little talk of augury here and have a friend that wont shut up about it lol
toxic pewter
group finder mega bugged out for me
lusty grotto
for everyone
peak pagoda
how is prot post buff na players - big change?
high mesa
Tried to test BSV against a training dummy for 30 min. Got the dummy to 157 stacks lol. I was only able to get BSV to proc once about 15 minutes in. My health did actually dip <30%. However, it never proc’d towards the end of my testing when I had <100k health left.
peak pagoda
me?
humble schooner
Group Finder works for me, its some addon causing issue I think
lusty grotto
details is fucking with it yes
as is PGF
elvui was updated so it should be okay to use
humble schooner
I disabled PGF and seemed to work fine with ElvUI, even with Windtools
high mesa
I waited far longer than the 3 min ICD. It might only proc once per fight though idk.
lusty grotto
nah
but yes you did mention 30 minutes, which i missed
all that proves is that it continues to proc based on unmitigated damage and not health based
which means its still garbage
based on your last statement, i mean
high mesa
If thats the case it would have proc’d way more than once, i was using all my mitigation
urban portal
Yeah no one actually knows what can proc it
It’s so buggy
It’s not just unmitigated damage
stark lance
Do our talents change at all with the changes?
lusty grotto
talents are updated in the pins and guides
stark lance
talents are updated in the pins and guides
Cheers
lusty grotto
i think the point is
that it certainly does not proc on sub 30% hp as the tooltip says
empty sparrow
Is strike twice still big?
lusty grotto
at least consistently enough to discard the unmitigated damage idea
yes strike twice is still our 2nd best weapon after gholak
toxic pewter
I disabled PGF and seemed to work fine with ElvUI, even with Windtools
what is pgf
high mesa
It proc’d the first time my health dipped below 30%, but never again. Still seems broken, maybe differently broken but still broken. I’m not gonna use it in groups especially without a bug fix patch note.
lusty grotto
storm flicker
that is an addon or option ? i dont see that in my game
lusty grotto
an addon
bleak breach
Right this might be a stupid question, but the talent that makes revenge hit twice but for less. Does that essentially give a 2nd chance to proc SS? Or does the repeat not proc SS?
storm flicker
hmm i dont use that addon, still bugged
lusty grotto
like i said, there are a number of addons that affected the group finder
details included
lusty grotto
Right this might be a stupid question, but the talent that makes revenge hit twi...
it can
but we barely use revenge to begin with anyway
vocal flame
I turned all of my addons off and still bugged for me
lusty grotto
patch day is patch day 🤷
obtuse ledge
patch day is patch day 🤷
fax
maiden cedar
What should be my first craft?
lusty grotto
have you read the wowhead guide?
toxic pewter
I turned all of my addons off and still bugged for me
still bugged for me and many others on wow forums too just gotta wait hope they fix soon
lusty grotto
it has information for crafts under bis gear
obtuse ledge
do you ever press execute in m+?
lusty grotto
with little targets yes
bleak breach
I barely even hit execute in raid other then free procs
maiden cedar
have you read the wowhead guide?
yes but i dont really understand
obtuse ledge
it tells you the source of the piece of gear
lusty grotto
yes but i dont really understand
what dont you understand
obtuse ledge
some is catalyst some is crafted some is dungeon names
bleak breach
yes but i dont really understand
Double shadowflame embellishment, either recraft your wrists or cape
lusty grotto
they are asking about crafted pieces
bleak breach
If you’re going to grab Sarkareth cape with bullions do feet or belt instead of cape
lusty grotto
obtuse ledge
its easy for some people to not realize crafted and catalyst are 2 different words when theyre just scanning the page
lusty grotto
you want either cloak (vibrant wildercloth shawl) or a "primal molten x" piece to put a shadowflame patch on it
bleak breach
Here’s a story for yas
Did a pug 7 RLP lastnight to give me something for the vault. Got in there and realised the healer was in all greens. They clearly didn’t realise about the changes to difficulty. It was a nightmare.
vocal flame
still bugged for me and many others on wow forums too just gotta wait hope they ...
Time to use the trade chat like the old days to find a group lol
obtuse ledge
does shield block follow pandemic rules
lusty grotto
in what way
obtuse ledge
yes
lusty grotto
its capped at 3 times its duration
bolster exceeds that cap
but thats the only time it does
feral epoch
yo dudes/dudettes
I’m a Druid main, but I’m playing Prot as an alt. Looking for opinions on what to get with my second Dinar purchase. I got the Axe, and I will only be playing this guy in M+ (no progression fights)
lusty grotto
we dont talent bolster this season though
feral epoch
lusty grotto
yo dudes/dudettes
I’m a Druid main, but I’m playing Prot as an alt. Looking fo...
pins
obtuse ledge
quite the name friend lmao
lusty grotto
ok what specifically
feral epoch
quite the name friend lmao
yeah I’m gay. So I like bussy
feral epoch
ok what specifically
worth getting a trinket or ring more? I feel like I can easily get rings much easier than trinkets and my trinkets are dog water, but the ring would be a much bigger upgrade
lusty grotto
idk why youre beating around the bush
its pretty clear
literally stick with the list
feral epoch
I play guardian predominantly so shit idk
lusty grotto
i dont think that matters
next pasture
am i losing out on anything significant if i swap sidearm out for titanic throw
i like pulling extra packs with it
lusty grotto
worth getting a trinket or ring more? I feel like I can easily get rings much ea...
hold on
obtuse ledge
yeah I’m gay. So I like bussy
understandable, have a nice day
lusty grotto
why are you asking this if youve read the pins
you literally have a green ring
and #2 is THE ring
feral epoch
damn my bad for asking bro won’t happen again
lusty grotto
i dont mind people asking questions, but why would you lie about reading pins
feral epoch
I literally said I read the pins but wanted to know if a trinket would be worth getting more due to rarity sake
Don’t call me a liar lmao
stark lance
Do y'all take shattering throw
lusty grotto
no
stark lance
or do you just get real classes in your party
lusty grotto
we just ignore incorp
lusty grotto
I literally said I read the pins but wanted to know if a trinket would be worth ...
but you have. a. green. ring.
feral epoch
you are ignoring the entire reason I asked the question Jesus Christ
lusty grotto
what ilvl are your trinkets
that you think a trinket would be a bigger upgrade than a bis ring?
especially one going from green to ultra bis
feral epoch
once again, still not understanding the question.
I said due to rarity sake, yeah I understand the ring is a bigger upgrade. But how hard pressed am I gonna be to find a ring vs a good trinket?
warrior discord is just like when I was in the marines lmao
lusty grotto
you wont be, there's a lot of trinkets this time around
whereas that ring, is bis for every single class and requires you to raid
to get it to drop
you can just endlessly farm M+ for trinkets
feral epoch
okay that’s all I needed to know thanks
lusty grotto
you cant for raid
eventually youll have 2 bullions for a trinket, next week even
just do an LFR wing and catch up
keen leaf
anyone found chromie, I want my personal tabard
boreal rapids
So, Prot is now S tier right?
white umbra
S tier, where the S stands for still behind VDH
hot willow
Hello, what s Ur advice for a New tank ? Never play this rôle, coming from healer since a long long Time
loud light
so is enduring alacrity better to use than focused vigor now in M+?
strong forum
no
its better than battering ram
you just dont play battering ram anymore
anywhere
not in raid or in m+
enduring alacrity is now superior after recent changes
vestal moat
nom doing the lord's work as usual tty
olive rock
nom doing the lord's work as usual tty
Hi warbean
white umbra
how does dropping bloodsurge feel to gain DS and EA for M+?
lusty grotto
its not a huge difference
its only huge on extremely big pulls
but even then youll be fine
white umbra
getting giga rage from raveger anyway
olive rock
Anyone has a screenshot of what we are using as talents now ?
lusty grotto
Anyone has a screenshot of what we are using as talents now ?
yeah the pins have them
olive rock
all talents are updated in pins
the last pin for me its from last year
bleak breach
God I’m toey for diurna ring
south zealot
inb4 “no disrupting shout”
white umbra
please no not again
keen leaf
shes next to the fountain
I love you
winter shard
why was brewmaster nerfed when it's the least picked?
weary glen
I was told if you turn on the mature filter and reloadui LFG and stuff works again lol
prisma crane
the fuck? that has to be a troll lol
weary glen
it worked for a couple guildies lol
prisma crane
wild lol
south zealot
why was brewmaster nerfed when it's the least picked?
it did a lot of damage
not enough to actually warrant nerfs imo, especially since a lot of damage came from boon/other external sources
but what are you gonna do
torn gulch
brewmaster had the highest damage if i am not mistaken
south zealot
vdh was pretty much equal to brew damage
torn gulch
vdh is the failure of wow devs
winter shard
just baffles me how the decide to nerf and buff and prune lately
south zealot
i thought most of monks shit was uncapped too to be fair
prisma crane
I was told if you turn on the mature filter and reloadui LFG and stuff works aga...
what are the exact steps? reloadui LFG doesnt do anything, that or i dont know those commands
hardy snow
EVEN IN ST
How does Instigate performs now, when base devastator dmg was increased, but we lose ias from ram? Is it worth taking instead of alacrity, or its still just for parse build in place of Imp. Wall or Indom?
weary glen
prisma crane
ty!
weary glen
NP! apparently a wowhead article just came out so made explaining easy lol
hardy snow
https://i.imgur.com/wqjrFb9.png
thanks, so nothing changes, still just addition to parse build
south zealot
this button doesnt work
cerulean merlin
i guess is a bit better now but ss should be my most damage right?
hardy snow
this button doesnt work
have you tried it without addon that changes look of this window?
cerulean merlin
still doing something wrong
prisma crane
yea @south zealot my find a group button works, the text was just all fucky
lusty grotto
yes youre not pressing SS enough
dark barn
translation: seal of filial duty doing 17% of my heal in raid (volcoross fight)
south zealot
yea <@413532942762246144> my find a group button works, the text was just all fu...
found the issue, have your friend restart their game
prisma crane
translation: seal of filial duty doing 17% of my heal in raid (volcoross fight)
not too shabby lol
south zealot
oh wait i lied it didnt fix the issue
cerulean merlin
yes youre not pressing SS enough
what is your overall
or anyone that knows what they are doing
did 177k in a halls 8
prisma crane
its definitely a bnet issue @lusty grotto @south zealot the way around it i've found is to invite via guild or oldschool character specific friends list
south zealot
small indie company
prisma crane
very smol
on a diff note, crazy conflicted atm
helm would be myth track for tier, ring is great, but i also love playing with the beacon
.<
hardy snow
you can get beacon from bullions if you really like it
prisma crane
yea but its lower on that list
strong forum
🚫 
prisma crane
but i like 🥓
strong forum
hardy snow
its not good trinket after nerfs after S2
prisma crane
<:BearBaconDrool:1225903180697571368>
💯
strong forum
It's not a good trinket cuz it's competes with good trinkets
Not because of the nerfs
prisma crane
yea but i dont currently have the others
i'd kill for a signet
my 483 still crushes
strong forum
I enjoy anvil more tbh
prisma crane
and i got a heroic ruby which is kinda fun, but a bit RNG
prisma crane
anvil is great, but i dont like to babysit it
hardy snow
anvil is great, my favourite trinket this expansion
prisma crane
no i agree with you though, so im leaning towards the ring for now
could also do helm since ill eventually buy the vault rings
strong forum
Yeup
urban portal
That’s a dub
strong forum
Breh I had to maintain 300k hps on my poor evoker in a +8 today
For like 1 or 2 min straight
Idk how to do that
I fucking crit living flame for 1.4mil but withering perma being on people + bleed stacks going out
Is not fun
Especially if your tank ontop of that is as squishy as your bdk
Fucking 300k hps on 3 targets
Cuz 2 died to having 4 stacks of bleeds
(it was kinda fun)
winter shard
anyone else having trouble inviting friends from bnet list? my bf and i are both in game but it's not showing so we can't invite to party
prisma crane
@strong forum i know there was some back and forth on augury, if you couldnt have the anvil, would you consider augury over others?
i feel like signet is a lock for second slot with anvil normally
strong forum
Grieftorch or augury then, ye
prisma crane
cool, thanks, i mostly do M+ so i think im leaning away from Grief as fun as it prob is
olive spoke
Enduring Alacrity worth taking now?
smoky pollen
Yes
prisma crane
oh yea, are the M+ builds updated now?
smoky pollen
Yes
I’ve been at work so I may be missing part of the changes, but it just looks like we take Alacrity over Battering Ram
prisma crane
for raid it appears so
smoky pollen
“We want players to explore other defensive options like battle-scarred veteran because warriors are susceptible to burst damage”
doesn’t touch battle-scarred veteran
strong forum
10.2.7 Prot Changes
- All Ability Damage buffed by 5%
- Devastator dmg buffed by 30%
- Battering Ram atk speed increase nerfed from 20% to 10%
- Disrupting Shout CD changed from 90s to 75s
- Enduring Alacrity buffed by 100%
- Stam and Armor increase from 5% to 10%
- Haste buffed from 1% to 2%
With these changes Battering Ram is no longer played at all. Enduring Alacrity replaces Battering Ram in M+ and Raid builds.
prisma crane
“We want players to explore other defensive options like battle-scarred veteran ...
yea they have to actually fix it to ONLY proc when our actual HP value dips below 30%, not this pre-mitigated value BS
smoky pollen
Yeah. I tried explaining the way it works to my friends and they were very confused, because it’s just so unintuitive.
prisma crane
so you have 1M hp, get hit for 2 million but block 80% of it and only go to 60% hp
blizz = hp dipped to -100%, time to proc BSV
strong forum
Even in that it's not even consistent
prisma crane
of course its not lol
rocky kraken
i swear ive had the air proc BSV
prisma crane
it feels like the easiest binary EVER but somehow they made it bad
strong forum
I've had literal PhD Mathematicians go over BSV logs
And their conclusion was "yeah this shit is sprinkled code with some sort of spaghetti"
strong forum
i swear ive had the air proc BSV
Sense had BSV proc from bursting at 50% hp outside of combat
pallid quiver
It's clearly working as intended, nome
strong forum
Given that literally blizzard personally got the bugs delivered
south zealot
I've had literal PhD Mathematicians go over BSV logs
dream is that you
prisma crane
well, the best way to keep it from proccing that i've found is to just proc it, then you get a solid 3 min of no accidental procs
strong forum
It's true
pallid quiver
Once again, I'm actually positive it's working as intended because of how they word to use it as a talent choice in all these updates
prisma crane
btw, notes said IP does 6% more healing, im assuming it's just poorly worded and should say that the absorb per cast is up by 6%?
torn gulch
damn we actually don't have enough aspects this week to upgrade everything we need
pallid quiver
Even if it's simply there to provide the sense of discovery and wonder that's been missing from World of Warcraft 🙂
torn gulch
60 on crafted 60 on bullion gear
strong forum
btw, notes said IP does 6% more healing, im assuming it's just poorly worded and...
Yea
torn gulch
rip vault gear upgrade
prisma crane
Yea
did this affect the max IP as well or is that limit still the same?
tbh idk why that last question even matters, im more just curious
prisma crane
kk, which effectively got buffed w/ the EA stonks anyways
strong forum
Yea
prisma crane
hell yea
torn gulch
because of armored to the teeth
strong forum
Correct
That's why EA is now a dmg gain over BR
Especially our aoe dmg will increase a decent amount
Coupled with the 5% buff
And with that we have 14% innate haste multiplier on our character BTW
south zealot
if you were being an unethcial padder in m+, would you run alltotem and dreadplate
south zealot
but muh 50% vers
prisma crane
if you were being an unethcial padder in m+, would you run alltotem and dreadpla...
unironically want to know this as well
hardy snow
So haste yet again, gained more value
And Im still trying to get some more haste, as after increasing ilvl I've dropped some of it 
prisma crane
but i think boon would be top if you're doing that
south zealot
oh shit i forgot boon was strength too
hardy snow
anvil is also strong if you maintain stacks
strong forum
And Im still trying to get some more haste, as after increasing ilvl I've droppe...
Meanwhile me, actively going away from haste cuz otherwise I'd have 8k
torn gulch
i'm getting rageheart tommorow and i realised i won't be able to fully upgrade it because not enough aspects
glacial skiff
**__10.2.7 Prot Changes__**
- All Ability Damage buffed by 5%
- Devastator dmg b...
so do we drop bloodsurge for disrupting shout then right?
torn gulch
kekw
strong forum
strong forum
so do we drop bloodsurge for disrupting shout then right?
If you desperately want it, yeah it's your easiest pick
Can't drop anything else without dropping significant other things
torn gulch
i had some situations where DS saved some pulls
twice in NO once in situations where they pull the travveling birds with one hill pack and i'll stop like 5-6 casts at once
and at last boss intermission
south zealot
any aoe stop also will stop like 5-6 casts
torn gulch
that is in pugs where people don't have a brain and i am required to use extra cells myself
torn gulch
ideally i don't want to pull them at all
strong forum
Pull away from the hill then
torn gulch
yes i do
but my pug teammates find ways
to call the airstrikes from the birds
like flying into them
or staying on the hill themselves
strong forum
Gamers
torn gulch
i've seem some shit already in these first 2 weeks
prisma crane
i'd argue that DS is probably only useful in braindead pug groups, which are admittedly real common when you're in the 6-10 range
strong forum
Sorry illuminate is reserved for dhs
torn gulch
even in the current key range i do
10-12
torn gulch
they have one braincell combined
strong forum
Depends on your gear
cerulean merlin
good gear i guess
strong forum
Idk 300k+ in AA and BH without Aug
cerulean merlin
i can link my armory but i saw people doing 300k
torn gulch
in certain keys
cerulean merlin
just did halls and did 177k
strong forum
And other keys like idk 200-250k?
cerulean merlin
looks too low
south zealot
just did halls and did 177k
seems a little low
torn gulch
yea under 200k is low in any key without aug
strong forum
I've not done many prot keys, especially not with current gear so I can't give a good estimate except AA and BH
Maybe I can do a handful of keys this week
To get a good grasp of overalls
torn gulch
i think 200 to 300k without aug is a good estimate
strong forum
My goal is 400k
torn gulch
have a look on prot warrior logs
cerulean merlin
dont know what im doing wrong
torn gulch
and see what they do
cerulean merlin
there is a place where i can look at m+ logs ?
strong forum
Pain
lusty grotto
0 loot tonight
torn gulch
yes on wow logs
strong forum
Warcraftlogs
hardy snow
me and the guild doing things
you are already top dps, why would you need more loot 
torn gulch
on m+ logs select prot warr logs
torn gulch
and you look at the highest keys
lusty grotto
😦
cerulean merlin
hmmm ty!! i will try that
torn gulch
do you want an example?
i can have a look
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4VDkTGBFjHqvZ2xY#fight=18&type=damage-done
there is a sense ruby 15 where he pulled close to 250 natty
at 517
see what he is doing
south zealot
would do more with cheat death trinket swapped
strong forum
Fort bolstering
torn gulch
you need it
south zealot
yeah not saying you can really drop it
cerulean merlin
he does use similar trinkets them me
torn gulch
at that level
strong forum
Oh absolutely
cerulean merlin
i will take a good look, ty
torn gulch
bolstering is deadly in these dungeons
torn gulch
those 3 at the beggining are still broken because they machine gun bleeds compared to the other ones
strong forum
Just parry
torn gulch
and groups don't help me much
strong forum
cerulean merlin
wow his tunderous roar did a shit ton of dam
is there something i need to do with it?
i just pop on cd
strong forum
Press it on cd
south zealot
20% of it was on the baby whelps
lusty grotto
press more ss so it resets more often
south zealot
on first boss
strong forum
Generate alot of rage, spend it well
Get lots of tierset procs
To reduce the cd of it
Voila
torn gulch
paded on first boss
cerulean merlin
mine did 8mil his was 30
lusty grotto
and probably bigger pulls
grim pilot
Idk 300k+ in AA and BH without Aug
in 10 u can do that ye
cerulean merlin
hmmm true
grim pilot
all without aug obv
I was a pussy
played with HR
started playing with itf and quality of life
- dps
strong forum
I mean I've seen how you tank yeah?
grim pilot
jumped up enormously
south zealot
LMFAOOOO
grim pilot
ok but like
strong forum
Face first on the floor