protection

[waxen frigate]

Don’t drop shield block

You’re spamming ignore pain rotationally anyway

Oh no you’re in trouble? Press dstance congrats enjoy your flat 20% DR

[torn gulch]

Or have druids and dragons push trash behind you and you get meleed anyway

[waxen frigate]

Ok true

You can get assassinated

[glacial skiff]

So imagine you don’t and haven’t played prot warr. Or any tank and you just started playing wow. Warrior is the hardest tank to stay alive when doing difficult content.

[waxen frigate]

How

You literally press shield block

[torn gulch]

Harder than brew?

I doubt

[lusty grotto]

hell no its not

[waxen frigate]

And point in the direction of the enemy

[glacial skiff]

The amount of buttons and needing to know how to use buttons for certain things is

[jagged pier]

it used to be

[waxen frigate]

I’d say it’s Paladin if anything

[jagged pier]

its not anymore

[waxen frigate]

Paladin is literal paper unless it is in both consecrate and has SotR up

And SotR upkeep is more challenging than shield block

[lusty grotto]

if you have been playing prot warrior EVER, you know shield block is your main mit tool and you will be extremely tanky with it, EVEN CLASSIC PLAYERS

[waxen frigate]

And you’re still prone to rng block

[oak ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/we-do-a-little-trolling-gif-21394280

keks rn:

[leaden shard]

Make shield block only 1 attack again so we’re balanced

[waxen frigate]

True and real

Based

[glacial skiff]

Say you are not overgeared, or are under geared, as a new player prot warrior would be most difficult. They’d have to know what is magic damage etc, that they need to keep up SB always and try to stack ignore pain. Learning when to use spell reflect, AND prot has 4/5 other defensive CD buttons (shield wall, last stand, defensive stance, demo shout, spell block).

[glacial skiff]

Nah. Tanking as prot pal has always been easier if you understand those 2 mechanics. Even just spamming SOTR and ensuring you’re in consecrate you’re tankier with less to manage.

[waxen frigate]

You’re not tankier lmao

[glacial skiff]

Again, i’m talking from the POV of a new player or new tank player.

[waxen frigate]

What

[leaden shard]

I think the first thing any new prot warrior needs to learn is that the defensives cooldown a lot faster than their tooltip, use them a lot, especially on trash

[lusty grotto]

this is true for any tank

[waxen frigate]

You also have to juggle SotR vs WoG

[lusty grotto]

"standing in consecrate"

[waxen frigate]

Any sort of movement negatively impacting consecrate

[lusty grotto]

is somehow easier than pressing shield block?

[leaden shard]

“Standing in death and decay”

[waxen frigate]

Consecrate and dnd are not equivalent

[leaden shard]

5% haste and heart strike cleave i would argue is still worth standing in it

[waxen frigate]

But you don’t fall over instantly without it

Paladin does without cons

[leaden shard]

Dks fall over on pull even if they were in it on high fort

[pallid quiver]

You should have a chat with someone who told me I was playing wrong back in MoP, then

[waxen frigate]

Well that’s because most DKs can’t do the opener for shit LMAO

[leaden shard]

haha

[waxen frigate]

Run in hitting blood boil blood boil death and decay marrowrend

Then wondering why they’re dead

[leaden shard]

Blood boil blood boil heart strike proc purg panic press death strike still no bone shield dies

[glacial skiff]

How would you rate warrior “difficulty curve” vs lethal damage compared to other tank classes then? I think some of you struggle to view things from a pov outside your own.

I’d rank them as:
Blood DK
VDH
Bear
Paladin
BRM
War (and this is mostly because you have to understand damage types vs any above tank not)

[waxen frigate]

Yepge

[waxen frigate]

Is BDK the hardest or easiest here

[glacial skiff]

Easiest descending

[lusty grotto]

first time tanks dont do "lethal damage" mechanics

not in the sense they need to learn types

[waxen frigate]

Yeah you’re cooked if you think BDK is the easiest beginner tank

[lusty grotto]

they just press active mitigation and they'll be fine

[waxen frigate]

It’s the antithesis of what people imagine tanking to be

[leaden shard]

Brm just purify immediately after a big hit no? Just know whether the tankbuster is magic or phys and use defensive accordingly, maybe still more complicated then

[waxen frigate]

Currently imo (starting with easiest)
VDH>Warr>Bear>Brew>DK>Pala

[glacial skiff]

Say you’re a new prot warrior and don’t understand you need spell block to survive a specific mechanic. No other tank has something as niche as that.

[waxen frigate]

???

AMS?

Meta?

Diffuse magic?

[glacial skiff]

When has AMS been required to survive a tank mechanic?

[waxen frigate]

Ok got it you’re baiting

Lmao

I’m out of this one

[limpid ruin]

Nah I support this, I’m telling everyone I play the hardest tank even though I barely have decisions to make

[lusty grotto]

is fiery brand never used or something?

[violet ginkgo]

it is required... I mean it also prevent debuff

[glacial skiff]

I’ve seen tanks miss AMS/diffuse and survive no problem. Meta isn’t a magic only cd

[pallid quiver]

Yyyyyyes

[lusty grotto]

i mean i use it

[pallid quiver]

And I'm definitely a vdh pro

[lusty grotto]

but i know how to tank

[pallid quiver]

So trust me bro

[lusty grotto]

"vdh is easier", yet 80% of the casuals jump in without any SoF up and get deleted in the first hit

or without felspikes

i dont see the relevance of saying "lethal mechanics" when they are dying wayyyyy before that

[pallid quiver]

I'm inpressed how few buttons most vdh players i see press considering how few abilities they have

[glacial skiff]

Maybe I should edit this, because you could say “M+ tank mechanic” or something. In general i’m speaking of raid for this, anything with a linear scaling difficulty will eventually become lethal. It’s just weird warrior requires so many layered defensive buttons to survive vs every other tank class.

[pallid quiver]

I've only seen one vdh ever even press sigil of silence

[lusty grotto]

at the point youre doing lethal mechanics, youre already in an advanced level of the game

if you die to it cause you dont have knowledge about your class, thats on you

and they will learn fast, if they dont anyway

[unkempt hazel]

yo, W pfp

[lusty grotto]

so i dont understand the line of thinking of "new tank" and pairing it with a lethal tank buster

[lusty grotto]

ty

[glacial skiff]

I guess i’m just saying prot warr doesn’t have the easiest learning curve.

[lusty grotto]

just press shield block

[unkempt hazel]

speaking of learning curve

[lusty grotto]

its one of the easiest to get into

[unkempt hazel]

is it trolling to bind sb to smth like ss

[lusty grotto]

just like bear is just press ironfur

and it covers around most of the damage on their content level

[hardy snow]

yes, you can do other way - bind SS to IP or SB to snipe procs

[glacial skiff]

Yeah if you’re steam rolling content. Again if you’re someone that enjoys trying to learn to play there’s a lot of potential points of failure for prot warr vs other tanks

[hardy snow]

there is example in pins

[lusty grotto]

again

you said

[pallid quiver]

You'd waste SB uptime doing so

[lusty grotto]

"new warrior"

[unkempt hazel]

aye I saw that one but doesn't rly do what I'd hope

[lusty grotto]

so yes you do that type of content

[hardy snow]

well, it does what it was build for - snipe SS procs

[radiant mortar]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/complete-4-mythic-dungeons-for-2-antique-bronze-bullions-this-week-extra-piece-339255 was this alrdy shared?

[unkempt hazel]

was wondering if there's any way to reduce amount of buttons (ik ik dont bully me)

[pallid quiver]

It likely wouldn't matter if you're not running ITF in raid, but it can be a lot worse in M+, and you should run ITF in raid

[lusty grotto]

yes we know about it

[glacial skiff]

Ok, new warrior facing lethal damage. By that logic every tank is easy to learn to play because you can just slam buttons in M0 and do fine

[radiant mortar]

👍

than I was right with that we get a new item this reset :D

[glass ibex]

nice to see that confirmed

[pallid quiver]

Unfortunately, not particularly for Prot War. Each button has a given purpose, so they generally need to be separate

[vocal flame]

battering ram nerf matter at all or we waiting for Nom?

[unkempt hazel]

ic, will take time to get used to it then

ty

[pallid quiver]

Time will tell if Alacrity will outperform battering ram

But overall, we'll be doing more damage no matter what

[glass ibex]

yea i'm thinking of dropping battering ram for alacrity

[vocal flame]

me too

[glacial skiff]

There are, depending on the level of content you’re doing you can do different things. Some people use shield slam/ignore pain macro. Most of us have a battle/defensive stance macro

[pallid quiver]

imma let a robot decide for me if swapping is worth it once sims are adjusted

[jagged pier]

well right now they ither havent been adjusted or its worse

[glass ibex]

for some of the pulls in 10 HOI last night that extra 10% armor would have been nice. like the pack before 3rd boss

[lusty grotto]

eh

[jagged pier]

but thats all magic damage

[lusty grotto]

yeah

just out range the dragon breath

[pallid quiver]

That would have been my kneejerk no math thinky guess, but

[unkempt hazel]

well the way I understand the ss ip macro is that its just ip button, but u still have ss, so it doesn't rly take away/add a button, right?

[lusty grotto]

im guessing that was sarcasm ?

[glacial skiff]

But it’s also 10% stamina, and 6% increase to IP so that still might help.

[vocal flame]

haha

[pallid quiver]

Correct, doesn't save buttons

[lusty grotto]

lol

[glacial skiff]

Depending on the level of content you’re doing, you could probably just use the macro.

But yes

[jagged pier]

you dont need the macro for any content

its a QoL thing

[unkempt hazel]

prolly wont do anything crazy, but also dont rly wanna get into bad habits should I get interested

yfeel me

[jagged pier]

we discovered in S1 and by we i mean Nome

[unkempt hazel]

so was just making sure

[glacial skiff]

They’re looking to condense button bloat

[jagged pier]

and thats not how u fix it

u fix it with better binds

/ just getting used to it

[glacial skiff]

Maybe. But to each their own.

[unkempt hazel]

the best comparison I can give is going pta build as brm, less optimal but still works in all content (at least it did in s2)

[glacial skiff]

Who are we to preach how one is to play lol

[jagged pier]

im not

but im here to recommend whats bests

its best to make better/ more bind and get used to them

than making a subpar build to reduce buttons

[waxen frigate]

I’m here to gatekeep, gaslight, and girlboss

[jagged pier]

like someone was in here the other day struggling with keybinds

and they didnt have like x,c,v,f,g, bound or somthing

and all the shift modifiers and control modifiers for them

[unkempt hazel]

tbf I dont use ctr modifiers

[radiant mortar]

tbf I cant bind c

I need that button to see my stats

...

[glass ibex]

lol

[radiant mortar]

smh i cant without

[jagged pier]

just press the thing at the bottom or use a different bind

[unkempt hazel]

pressting ctr is super uncomfortable for me

[jagged pier]

its not like u do it often

[waxen frigate]

Make your fingers better

[radiant mortar]

I know but its weird and never get used to it when I try

[unkempt hazel]

[unkempt hazel]

when cyperpunk irl

gon install me those spider hands

[radiant mortar]

but I raely hear or see people use the mousewheel as binds

[waxen frigate]

Because that’s unhinged

[radiant mortar]

its a goated bind

[unkempt hazel]

wait

[radiant mortar]

wtf

[unkempt hazel]

i use mouse wheel binds. .. . .. .

[jagged pier]

because as a tank its useful to move camera depending on positoning

[glass ibex]

i've tried using the mousewheel press for interrupt and taunt at different times.. ended up just pressing the key bind instead

[glacial skiff]

Use modifier G Instead. That’s what I use for char sheet I think

[violet ginkgo]

extra 2 bullion? well seems we getting our ring faster than I thought 😄

[radiant mortar]

shift up is hp shout, shift down is aoe taunt, shift click is demo

mousewheel click is mount

easy binds to add on the mouse

shift jump is stance macro

[glacial skiff]

I don’t know how people play like that. I mostly use the buttons around movement keys WASD

[hardy snow]

I just prefer mouse with calculator under thumb

[waxen frigate]

I don’t have a pic of my prot bars on hand but

[radiant mortar]

me to but I bind all my speccs and classes the same

[radiant mortar]

so same utility goies to the same binds

and that is depending on the class with the most binds

druid/monk

[toxic pewter]

i just play from spellbook directly

[unkempt hazel]

real

[radiant mortar]

imagine not playing by /cast shield slam typing

[waxen frigate]

On prot:
1 - SS
2 - Revenge
3 - charge
4 - roar
5 - tc
6 - shield charge
7 - pot
8 - ravager
9 - heroic throw
0 - unbound currently
11 - avatar
12 - bstance

[radiant mortar]

some are ok but not mine so not good

[unkempt hazel]

god I'd die with ss on 1

ngl

[glacial skiff]

Ew. How do people like playing with number buttons rotationally?

[toxic pewter]

this strong independant woman has big hands

[radiant mortar]

SS on 1 is the only real bind

get a grip of your live

[unkempt hazel]

my spammable is 2

and main prio skill usually on e

[waxen frigate]

I am not a woman nor do I have particularly big hands

[radiant mortar]

tc should be on 3 tho

[toxic pewter]

o

[unkempt hazel]

tc on r

[radiant mortar]

what

[toxic pewter]

wait you have stuff bound to 7 and 8 and stuff

[radiant mortar]

R is the spiny blade thing

shift + r is the dragon roar

[unkempt hazel]

no

thats 1

[plush tendon]

mmo mouse?

maybe

[unkempt hazel]

wtf bro

shift r is charge

[waxen frigate]

Yes

[toxic pewter]

oh right mmo mouse

[waxen frigate]

I don’t use keyboard binds for anything

Other than F being travel related stuff

[radiant mortar]

thats a shift 1 bind man

[glacial skiff]

Mine are
Q revenge
E shield slam
R tclap
Z demo shout
Shift Z roar
Shift R shield charge
V ravager
Etc etc

[glass ibex]

yea my nephew does that mmo mouse.. i tried.. not for me

[waxen frigate]

F is warlock gate toy

[unkempt hazel]

[toxic pewter]

no R is charge, shift R is leap

[radiant mortar]

shift 2 is shield charge

[waxen frigate]

Shift/alt/ctrl F are different mounts (normal, dragon, repair)

[glacial skiff]

123456 etc buttons are all cooldowns

[unkempt hazel]

leap is f1

[toxic pewter]

f1?wtf?

[radiant mortar]

leap is clearly a V bind

[toxic pewter]

who got time to reach up there

[glacial skiff]

F is charge, shift F is kick

[unkempt hazel]

bro v is main defensive

[radiant mortar]

wtf

[toxic pewter]

no main defensive is shift c

[unkempt hazel]

u trippin fr fr

[radiant mortar]

main defensive is shift q and shift e

[waxen frigate]

Ignore pain is alt-6 I’m not sorry

[toxic pewter]

no q and e are giga dps bind locations

[unkempt hazel]

shift q shift e is main cd brooo

[radiant mortar]

IP is Q and Shield Block is E

[toxic pewter]

q shield block, shield slam e

[unkempt hazel]

yooo

brother

[toxic pewter]

yes

[radiant mortar]

spinny blade is R, dragon roar shift R and Avatar is X

[unkempt hazel]

🤝

[glacial skiff]

V’s spell reflect for not arms/fury lol. Shift T is shockwave

[toxic pewter]

that is optimal

[unkempt hazel]

got same

spell reflecto n middle mouse

[radiant mortar]

Stun hammer is F and shockwave is shift F

[toxic pewter]

we should ask AI to make the most optimal keybinds of all time

[radiant mortar]

other binds are wrong

[toxic pewter]

is that already done

[waxen frigate]

One sec

[toxic pewter]

ok

[waxen frigate]

Can you provide me with a full list of ability names

[radiant mortar]

good idea

[toxic pewter]

hmmm i suppose so

[waxen frigate]

If not we’re just gonna natty send it and see what it even thinks prot has

Ok sick

[unkempt hazel]

its always amusing how diff ppl keybind stuff

[waxen frigate]

I do not wanna type everything out on mobile LMAO

[unkempt hazel]

[toxic pewter]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Warrior_abilities

sort of a column of them all LOL

[violet ginkgo]

isn't Z and X button a bit hard to reach?

[waxen frigate]

Nah that’s including passives

[glass ibex]

yea lalio -funny to see how all playing same spec but completely different approaches to the binds

[waxen frigate]

Fuck it we just send it a try

[toxic pewter]

why didnt they nerf vdh damage again

like who even cares about soul cleave

[radiant mortar]

wdym X is right beside C

< is also a great bind

[glass ibex]

Yea.. what was really fun was when i was trying to play one handed after severing 3 ligaments in my left wrist

[radiant mortar]

its my healtstone/pot bind

[toxic pewter]

how that happen to ur wrist O_O

[waxen frigate]

Optimizing keybinds is crucial for efficient gameplay. Here's a suggestion for your Protection Warrior in WoW: Dragonflight:

1. Primary Abilities:

   • Shield Slam: Q
   • Revenge: E
   • Thunder Clap: R
   • Devastate: F
   • Ignore Pain: G
   • Shield Block: T
   • Avatar (if talented): Z
   • Demoralizing Shout: X
   • Intercept: C
   • Taunt: V
   • Heroic Leap: Spacebar

2. Defensive Cooldowns:

   • Last Stand: Shift + Q
   • Shield Wall: Shift + E
   • Rallying Cry: Shift + R
   • Spell Reflection: Shift + F

3. Utility Abilities:

   • Intervene: Alt + Q
   • Pummel: Alt + E
   • Shockwave: Alt + R
   • Warbreaker: Alt + F

4. Consumables:

   • Healing Potion: 1
   • Healthstone: Shift + 1

5. Trinket:

   • On-use Trinket: 2

This setup allows for easy access to your primary abilities, defensive cooldowns, and utility moves while keeping consumables and trinkets within reach for quick activation during combat. Feel free to adjust based on your personal preferences and playstyle!

[toxic pewter]

Lol wtf healing pot 1?

gtfo

[radiant mortar]

HA

thats my binds

get fed

[violet ginkgo]

well I mean C is definitely reachable because it's 1 finger down but Z and X position is abit..

[radiant mortar]

Im so goated

[waxen frigate]

Ok bot

[toxic pewter]

this AI dont know shit

is that chatgpt or gemini

[radiant mortar]

call me the Lebron of Prot from now on

[waxen frigate]

Heroic leap on spacebar tho

Based AI

[toxic pewter]

lol

[stiff plover]

bruh I can't reach g

[waxen frigate]

ChatGPT 3.5 I think

[toxic pewter]

interesting

[waxen frigate]

Idk just whatever the official app has for free

[waxen frigate]

?????

Are you a toddler

[violet ginkgo]

devastate can be replaced since it's on auto attack

[spark cedar]

Has there ever been a blue post acknowledging the Battle Scarred Veteran bug during the 2 years of DF expansion 🤯 ?

[waxen frigate]

Everyone post your keyboard hand range

That’s me hitting shift-9

[stiff plover]

Short Fingers G it's like my max could use for some random ability but def not ignore pain

[radiant mortar]

thats a weird position for a hand

[stiff plover]

Holy shit I can get to shift-7 max

[waxen frigate]

It’s just maximum reach

[toxic pewter]

u no wat they say about gamer with smol hand 😉

[violet ginkgo]

we don't

[stiff plover]

xdxdxd

[radiant mortar]

My thumb reaches M at max

if my pinky is on shift

[toxic pewter]

smol hand gamer gosu

[waxen frigate]

Send pic brcause what

[valid hinge]

All keys are mine lol

[waxen frigate]

I can almost double shift

[glass ibex]

i must have big hands.. i can have pink and thumb on the shift keys

[waxen frigate]

Sheesh

Also nice keyboard

Mine is my work keyboard lmao

[radiant mortar]

ok it's ,

[toxic pewter]

r server up

[glass ibex]

yea noticed your keyboard looked like the basic dell work keyboard

[violet ginkgo]

it will never up

[waxen frigate]

Ok you are not stretching

Like at all

[violet ginkgo]

I mean they announce 8 hours maintenance and now is just 1,5 hours after maintenance start, what do you expect XD

[radiant mortar]

I wont do gymnestics while playing

[waxen frigate]

I mean that’s not the point of this

[toxic pewter]

anyone play wow with their feet

[waxen frigate]

We’re just comparing range

[toxic pewter]

i bet there like 1 dude out there

using feet

[plush tendon]

we have a one armed guy in our guild

foot pedals are goated

[toxic pewter]

interesting

[radiant mortar]

if I strech is . not much more my hands are super small

[toxic pewter]

oh dang foot pedal sounds interesting

i bet that dude pumps

[plush tendon]

hes a CE raider

and a good parser

[toxic pewter]

thats amazing

major respect to that guy

[radiant mortar]

see

[valid hinge]

https://www.amazon.com/GK-GAMAKAY-TK75-Mechanical-Bluetooth/dp/B0BRPRZJ1N?pd_rd_w=XuqPR&content-id=amzn1.sym.2eca026f-c06d-4a33-8611-f9bc4324bb01&pf_rd_p=2eca026f-c06d-4a33-8611-f9bc4324bb01&pf_rd_r=ZSEG05H5AKHR6B2HK140&pd_rd_wg=TqwA8&pd_rd_r=497aee19-55c9-4a2d-ad6d-d2d0f75f8a28&pd_rd_i=B0BRPRZJ1N&psc=1&ref_=pd_bap_m_grid_dv_rp_0_8_t&th=1

Keyboard is on sale today for ten bucks off. It looks like if you live in Arizona and have Amazon prime it will get to your door before 10pm today lol.
Gotta love living in a city with lots of Amazon hubs.

[plush tendon]

but even for double armed people, foot pedels could be a nice way to add some binds

[waxen frigate]

I’ve had my current keyboard for 9 years and I’m very happy with it even though it’s beat to hell and dirty

I have a Ducky One

[toxic pewter]

My brother gave me a keyboard its pretty nice. my first mechanical one

TH96 is the name apparently

[waxen frigate]

Ducky has earned my loyalty

For when I do get a new one

[valid hinge]

I had the same keyboard before I got this one for about the same amount of time. I got this one because it was the best budget board I could find with very quiet keys as an option.

[waxen frigate]

9 years of flawless performance is crazy

[toxic pewter]

is your keyboards wireless or wired

this my first wireless one and its pretty good

[glass ibex]

every time i buy a nice mechanical keyboard i break it

[waxen frigate]

Especially when you consider how much I’ve used it, it’s survived being dropped in parking lots during 8x moves during college, etc

[glass ibex]

wired only.

[waxen frigate]

I don’t like wireless stuff

[toxic pewter]

yah wired still better for sure

[valid hinge]

My only problem with my keyboard is that I occasionally bump caps lock more than I would like.

[glass ibex]

and i wire in my pc too.. i prefer not to use wifi for gaming

[valid hinge]

I’m still trying to find a company that will make custom dimension black mouse pads

[radiant mortar]

what is the little text on the keys saying?

[valid hinge]

I use my desk for work and gaming and switching between my laptop and main pc with my mouse pad is currently annoying af

[radiant mortar]

I have that with Cherry

[glass ibex]

have two desks side set up in L shape.. 1 for work 1 for gaming

[waxen frigate]

I just have a grey 30” or so Corsair mousepad

Has a Corsair logo but that’s it

[weak snow]

https://tenor.com/view/pass-saturday-night-live-smash-or-pass-next-not-interested-gif-25441284

[valid hinge]

That’s sick I wish I had the setup for it, I have to keep my desk in the living room so I can be close to the wife while I’m gaming otherwise we are in our own worlds lol

[glass ibex]

yea have a dedicated office in my house

[radiant mortar]

owning a house

...

[grim pilot]

@waxen frigate cant find the log of my 30 because we wiped on last boss but I think he said to me that he plays it for agro and uses but once things calm down he soul cleaves so I remembered it wrong

[glass ibex]

yep.. just about have the mortgage paid off..

[grim pilot]

My bad

[lusty grotto]

well spirit bomb is more damage past 6 targets

5 or less soul cleave is better

[waxen frigate]

No

[lusty grotto]

4

[waxen frigate]

That’s not at all true

[grim pilot]

Its about fragments no?

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[waxen frigate]

It’s 2T

At 4+ souls

[grim pilot]

When I did my first key as vdh some pug told me that I still could sb in st but its minimal gain and I have to do it properly to gain anything but idk how true was that

Was a while ago

[lusty grotto]

i mean nish thats assuming youre good on souls

what i said

[valid hinge]

I want like a five foot wide by 18 to 20 inch mouse pad. Any color would do I guess

[plush tendon]

the difference is so small; in strict ST, you can happily just Soulcleave and never touch spirit bomb

[valid hinge]

I’ve thought about buying another of the same pad I have using my work laptop on the corner of the desk is tilting because it’s hard to use my desk the way I want without moving my mouse pad all over

I used to have a wider corsair one but it had the ridges on it and I play with my wrists anchored more than I should so it rubbed me the wrong way.

[grim pilot]

Ye I dont play sb either way

Dont like it

[lusty grotto]

yeah the delay is

meh

i never liked it either

[lusty grotto]

i bought the linus one and just customized it

this one https://www.lttstore.com/products/deskpad

was a while ago though

this size

[grim pilot]

I mean I liked it at the very beginning but I like to review logs a lot and my tank does too and once when we were doing it together he told me I can try no sb but its harder to play

[lusty grotto]

depends on your desk size really

[valid hinge]

Oh nice I’m going to see if they would let me size it

[lusty grotto]

they will

[grim pilot]

And I never came back

To sb

[lusty grotto]

i dont think its harder to play

[valid hinge]

Desk is WxH= 72x23 inches.

[lusty grotto]

delayed abilities just feel bad

[grim pilot]

Felt unnatural first 2 keys

Without sb

[lusty grotto]

yeah convert inches to mms

[valid hinge]

Now that I finally swapped to monitor arms I can never go back.

[grim pilot]

Also I loved how crushers in tot tickle on my pwar but on my vdh I got globalled in 27 forti

[lusty grotto]

biggest one for me was morchie

the frontal does absolutely jack shit on prot

[grim pilot]

Yep

But I expected that because ive seen tanks flop there

Too often

[lusty grotto]

i hadnt

lol

[grim pilot]

And crushers are just random mobs in the dungeon like many other

So tanks naturally flop anywhere

I wanted to try totemless 3rd boss as pwar but we wiped on 2nd boss when we were doing alt keys and I never bothered again

Well they were doing alt keys, I was tanking

[violet ginkgo]

Btw... after the hotfix.. do we still take battering ram? seems like even if they nerf it we don't really have much choice

[lusty grotto]

totemless was doable with prot

spellblock helped a lot

we dont know yet valkyrion, the idea is that youll swap it with enduring alacrity but we still need to see numbers

[violet ginkgo]

I see

[obtuse ledge]

hi guys I was thinking about dusting off my warrior, how’s prot doing right now in keys? I heard they don’t do well when it comes to magic dmg like blood & vengeance but is it actually that much of a hindrance or is it fine once you get accustomed

[glass ibex]

it's fine

still running last season's neck rings and trinkets timed +10 HOI this last week

if really worried about the magic damage could urn spell block

[obtuse ledge]

you also are probably a pretty good player then also lol

[glass ibex]

yea did 4 +10s this last week timed 1 of them

[obtuse ledge]

I feel like I got too many buttons to press

[onyx hearth]

Tanks rarely gets fucked by meta, since there are so few of them.

[keen iris]

I think Sense is the only really good prot warrior tank this season. All the rest are VDH

[glass ibex]

play the tank you enjoy and are comfortable with

unless pushing really high keys all tanks are viable

[obtuse ledge]

prot is cool for sure I have a BDK and DH that I dabble in vengeance on, but I think I wanna go unholy so I wanna learn prot

[onyx hearth]

Yeah, tank balance affects just a minority of high end players

[glass ibex]

everyone will hit their failure point at some level

[obtuse ledge]

I know this might sound dumb but how do you manage pressing all the cooldowns because I feel like, overwhelmed with how many there are for a tank and maybe I’m also not pressing IP enough

I’m not dying, I’m just not being anywhere close to efficient

[onyx hearth]

Weak aura helps

[harsh trellis]

Have you played another tank class prior to prot?

[obtuse ledge]

blood and vengeance

I don’t know why prot is overwhelming to me lol

[harsh trellis]

So, more passive tanking. For prot war it's managing physical dmg vs shit that's going to hit you no matter what.

[glass ibex]

good description of the difference Nav

[violet ginkgo]

Really? I thought you are really chill with prot? I mean basically IP and shield block constantly active so you won't get surprising damage. And if you know there is tankbuster or other hard hitting just press Shield wall or Spellblock.

[cerulean merlin]

ok guys, coming from brew and bear i’m having a little trouble understanding how prot works really, i’ve tanked +9’s but i for sure don’t understand the class that well.
for instance (this might sound kinda idiot) but what does shield block really does for us?
im having some difficulties understanding how block work

[lusty grotto]

it makes you block 100% of the time

while its up

otherwise you block by chance

[harsh trellis]

If it's physical dmg you're gonna block it.

If you're gonna take a magic hit and have spell block. Use that or ignore pain and eat it

[cerulean merlin]

and blocking just reduces the damage we take right?

[violet ginkgo]

yes reduce by a lot

[glass ibex]

and blocks can crit too

[harsh trellis]

I find the less you pull the more shit hurts.

[lusty grotto]

only if its blockable

[harsh trellis]

I know that sounds dumb

But I like to pull a shit ton

[lusty grotto]

its a calculation made by your shield's block

[obtuse ledge]

yeah it’s definitely a different style of tanking from my perspective as blood and veng

[lusty grotto]

thats why the higher ilvl your shield, the better

because block goes up

[glass ibex]

agreed ilvl is king for shield

[cerulean merlin]

shield block also does something for our ss damage right?

[harsh trellis]

I reallllly hope nymue drops a shield tonight.

[violet ginkgo]

Yeah I think there is passive somewhere if your shield block is active shieldslam is hitting harder

[cerulean vessel]

I guess I have a similar question, I know it’s recommended to keep shield block up as close to 100% as possible. Is 100% possible or are gaps always expected?

Coming from brew/blood as well

[lusty grotto]

yes it buffs shield slam damage

with a talent

[lusty grotto]

depending on your haste, some gaps are expected

if you dont have x amount of haste rating, there's a talent recommendation for you to swap out, in the pins

youre not supposed to run ITF until you have 5400 haste rating

ITF = into the fray

if you have less than, run Heavy Repercussions (HR)

as per the pins

[grim pilot]

Itf maaaasive

[obtuse ledge]

when you get higher up in key levels do you press revenge less because you basically need IP more

[cerulean vessel]

Ah I’ll check it out! I’ve just been using the talent build from wowhead

[grim pilot]

15% haste for me

[lusty grotto]

wowhead talents should align with our own

as Nome writes it

[glass ibex]

there will be some gap haste helps.. depending on the lvl of content and incoming damage i may tend to play more offensively and not useIP as much and sometimes shield block

[harsh trellis]

The weekly is 2 bullion. Is that on top of the other bullion we'd normally get from raid bosses?

[lusty grotto]

3

2 from quest

1 from raid

[violet ginkgo]

Then let's say uh... we are in S4 now right we might just replace some gear piece because of higher ilvl so if our haste ever drop to 5000 for example then just heavy repercusion until we can get back to 5400?

[glass ibex]

1 from raid

[harsh trellis]

So we can get 2 pieces of stuff this week

Nice

[grim pilot]

Shield block and IP are damage gain

[lusty grotto]

correct

[harsh trellis]

Very nice

[grim pilot]

So not using those

Is losing damage

[harsh trellis]

And the vault!

[cerulean merlin]

this is another question i have, since ignore pain works with our 4p when should i press revenge for damage? just to apply dots?

[lusty grotto]

1 from 2x bullion and 1 crafted

cause we'll be at 5 bullion total

and each item is worth 2

[harsh trellis]

Woah

[glass ibex]

yea can't wait to see my vault.. 5 mythic track spots and 1 heroic

[lusty grotto]

today is the 2nd half of our next spark

[obtuse ledge]

why 5400 specifically

[harsh trellis]

Trinkets!!!!!

[lusty grotto]

thats when ITF starts to gain value

Nome can fill you in on the math

[glass ibex]

i desperately need trinkets..

[lusty grotto]

and also the bare minimum you need to keep SB up reliably

with ITF

as Shield Block cd is hastened

with haste

[obtuse ledge]

what % haste are yall at

[violet ginkgo]

bare minimum? means even if we go 6000 base then it's just be fine?

[lusty grotto]

percent doesnt matter

since it doesnt DR

[harsh trellis]

Also, you're probably sitting in defense stance. Change it over to battle stance and swap to def stance for an extra mitigation.

[lusty grotto]

speak rating

[lusty grotto]

yes

[cerulean merlin]

i don’t have too much confidence for this really

[harsh trellis]

That is perfectly ok

[cerulean merlin]

never know when to change stances

[lusty grotto]

its fine to use def stance as training wheels

[harsh trellis]

Seriously that's fine

[lusty grotto]

but its not something you wanna keep up

[obtuse ledge]

I saw there’s a whole section about stance dancing

[lusty grotto]

as you get better at it

your threat will suffer for it

slightly

as will your parry

[glass ibex]

yea i get yelled at by my healer in 9s and 10s when i go battlestance. she check's my stance and tells me to change it

[violet ginkgo]

Well if raid then when you are not the one tanking boss go battle stance, if you tank then defensive. For M+ I dunno.

[harsh trellis]

Eventually when you end up outgearing the level of key you're doing. You will find even more fun Swapping over to fueled by violence

[lusty grotto]

no need

raid bosses dont really hurt outside

Mythic experiments and Mythic zskarn

thats about it

[cerulean merlin]

in raid i’m full on battle stance

[lusty grotto]

as you should be

[lusty grotto]

shes an idiot

[obtuse ledge]

hell nah I’m scared lol

[cerulean merlin]

but in m+ it’s hard for me to know where is safe to change

[lusty grotto]

right

that comes with experience

just keep track of how much damage mobs do to you and adjust accordingly

[obtuse ledge]

once you know the dungeons better you’d know when to change right

[lusty grotto]

correct

[harsh trellis]

When you get comfortable, your healer will hardly heal you

[glass ibex]

yep. and that is her goal.. to not have to heal me so she can do more dps or heal the dps

[obtuse ledge]

tbh that’s what I hear. healers are there to heal the dps not the tank lol if the tank is any good

[violet ginkgo]

but I thought our self heal is not that good compared to Blood DK or VDH? I mean our mitigation is crazy for sure.

[harsh trellis]

It's not

But

[glass ibex]

yea i probably average 50-75% self healing depending on content

[lusty grotto]

with proper play we barely take damage

our healing does not matter at all

you should NEVER look at healing meters for your own HPS

it literally does not matter

[harsh trellis]

^

[obtuse ledge]

impending victory and fueled by violence and there’s a leech talent in the class tree right

[lusty grotto]

your job is not to heal yourself, your job is to prevent damage

[grim pilot]

Thats true but it gets a bit diff on higher keys so that there is no misconception

[harsh trellis]

And to burst and go hard

[lusty grotto]

these guys are pretty green so i wouldn't mention high keys

[grim pilot]

In regular content your hp shouldnt drop below 75% even in massive pulls

Unless youre absolurely fucking up

[harsh trellis]

I love the first pull in AA

Pull everything

[glass ibex]

yea. health barely moves most of the time

[grim pilot]

I tanked av 2 days ago and had 8 stacks of the dot from frontals

That hurt

[harsh trellis]

Welllll... dps needs to kick more

[cerulean merlin]

i find very hard to die in +10’s unless i fuck up or is a big dot

[harsh trellis]

Always blame dps

[obtuse ledge]

yeah I stopped playing like halfway through S3 and now the dungeons changed so I don’t know them and I changed to warrior because I’m just not enjoying rogue anymore and everyone is playing havoc

[harsh trellis]

Never take anything out on the healer

[violet ginkgo]

blame dps for not killing fast enough

[glass ibex]

did an 8 AV this last week where the afflock had more interrupts than ret pally and rogue combined

[harsh trellis]

Be kind, be professional... have a plan to blame every dps in the group

[grim pilot]

U mean vengeance, and fotm criminals will be trash always

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt matter, if dps doesnt do their job they will die to bolstered and x10 raging stacks mosquitos by 1 shot

on AA specifically

[obtuse ledge]

I should have said DH not havoc specially but yeah both

[harsh trellis]

I do like having a dh dps in the group

They burst

[lusty grotto]

literally 1 jump from the mosquitos and their characters are deleted cause they didnt focus the proper mobs (i.e. the ones that keep stacking enrage on themselves)

[cerulean merlin]

are you guys looking to pick the aoe kick talent?

[obtuse ledge]

I only started playing vengeance because I got sick of waiting for tanks lol so I was one of the fotm trash cans for a bit lol

[grim pilot]

Yes always

[cerulean merlin]

since it got buffed

[harsh trellis]

Yes

[grim pilot]

Before buffs

[harsh trellis]

I always use it

[grim pilot]

Its too good for gathering

[glass ibex]

i use it

[grim pilot]

Buffs dont change shit

[glass ibex]

it's great in keys

[grim pilot]

Just give you tiny bit more uses

[lusty grotto]

this didnt change anything

[obtuse ledge]

what aoe kick did I miss something

[lusty grotto]

disrupting

[cerulean merlin]

what do i drop do pick it?

[obtuse ledge]

oh the one that changes challenging?

[glass ibex]

yea

[lusty grotto]

correct

[obtuse ledge]

this

[lusty grotto]

before today you dropped bloodsurge or battering ram

dropping bloodsurge would be the more optimized route

after today, well it depends

[grim pilot]

Bloodsurge

[lusty grotto]

yes sorry

[obtuse ledge]

which one is bloodsurge

[lusty grotto]

talent tree has a search bar

[harsh trellis]

Bleeds give 5 rage

[lusty grotto]

just search there

[waxen frigate]

I’m considering getting a trinket that is optimal for both arms and prot for my next bullion—signet vs anvil is where I’ve figured the decision is, yeah?

[obtuse ledge]

I’m not online lol

[lusty grotto]

wowhead tree also has the search bar

[grim pilot]

Anvil if youre keying

[lusty grotto]

(:

[harsh trellis]

Anvil

[grim pilot]

Its so much better than signet for keys

[obtuse ledge]

oh tru

[waxen frigate]

Arms in raid, prot and arms in keys

[harsh trellis]

All day for arms and prot

[waxen frigate]

Significantly easier to keep anvil up?

[lusty grotto]

either is fine nish

plus its spiteful week

[grim pilot]

Giga easier yes

[lusty grotto]

so no effort keeping the stacks up 😄

[grim pilot]

I had

[hoary cedar]

Im an inexperienced prot warrior but Im curious how playing without bloodsurge will feel. Sometimes its like im swimming in rage and im just hitting ignore pain every couple gcds to burn it off. Othertimes I feel desperate for some rage. I can't believe disrupting shout isn't in the recommended builds for prot warrior noobs. Its exactly the tool I was looking for in order to group mobs better.

[grim pilot]

100% uptime

In 4 out of 5 keys I did with it

[lusty grotto]

ive played without bloodsurge since s3 started, i havent noticed a difference

[grim pilot]

Only key where u cant have 100 is nokhud but its still strong there

[patent osprey]

🫡

[obtuse ledge]

so should I get anvil today?

[harsh trellis]

Check the pins

[grim pilot]

Gholak

If you dont have it

[violet ginkgo]

Gholak and the offensive ring

[grim pilot]

Look at the pins generally

[cerulean merlin]

im not to sure if i should pick eranog ring today, in my head a good trinket can do wonders

[grim pilot]

They’ll give you most info

[waxen frigate]

Ah yes this individual week will sway my decision

[harsh trellis]

Prot discord is so good at keeping stuff up to date

[lusty grotto]

youre underestimating the damage eranog ring does

[waxen frigate]

Gholak is sadly far down the road for me since I’m prioritizing getting raid stuff for arms

[violet ginkgo]

What about if occasionally play fury for M+? anvil still good too or?

[obtuse ledge]

oh I was wondering because I wanted to also play arms

[grim pilot]

Uh im not a fury player but should be

[waxen frigate]

Unless I get lucky and yoink from heroic

[lusty grotto]

well nish today is also amirdrassil week so hopefully we grab a drop 🙂

[grim pilot]

It was very good for fury in raid in s2

Its giga good for anyone that can use it

[violet ginkgo]

I seemingly quite interested on anvil for sure to have one.

[grim pilot]

Either way it did 11% of my damage in AA as prot

[glass ibex]

yea the ring is just good

[lusty grotto]

surely the gods will grant me fyrakk loots so i dont have to spend a bullion

surely

[waxen frigate]

Surely all of the mains already got it with bullion so free yoink

[cerulean merlin]

i play prot exclusively, eranog ring will do more damage then lets say, rageheart?

[lusty grotto]

SURELY

[violet ginkgo]

No Nim, NO

[waxen frigate]

Eranog ring is free damage

[harsh trellis]

You need to catch things on fire

[waxen frigate]

Rageheart is a trade off with any other trinket

[violet ginkgo]

but we talking rageheart or the aug here?

[lusty grotto]

gholak

cause i went leggo first

[waxen frigate]

Same lmao

[lusty grotto]

but yeah ill take a rageheart, if it drops

[grim pilot]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NmL8KzZHcvQ4wCrh#fight=15&type=damage-done

Nvm

Its halls

[waxen frigate]

And I’m getting trinket with next

Likely anvil

[lusty grotto]

i dont care about augury this time around, theres way better trinkets

[cerulean merlin]

im using terros trinket + the one you can shield anyone

both are good but i think i can improve much more

[waxen frigate]

Just remember to send vault as fury

To double dip on Gholak and good trinks

[cerulean merlin]

it’s better to open as fury?

even if i have gholak?

i always opened as prot

[glass ibex]

once i have my weapon and shield. i would generally open vault as arms to keep them out of loot

[waxen frigate]

You should open as arms if you have weapon and shield already

Fury specifically for me and Nim since we went legendary first

So it adds 1h into our pools as well as keeps Dps trinkets

[cerulean merlin]

hmmm i see

do we want more dps trinkets then tank ones?

i guess they are harder to get from raid right

[waxen frigate]

Yes

[violet ginkgo]

yes moar dps trinket

[waxen frigate]

The good tank trinkets other than rageheart are from m+

[grim pilot]

Also u dont really need tank trinkets

Tbf

[waxen frigate]

So you can easily farm them if you need them

[grim pilot]

Unless youre planning on pushing higher keys as prot

[glass ibex]

yea much much competition for purely tanking trinkets so easier to get than dps trinkets

[violet ginkgo]

how much "higher" are we talking about? above 10?

[grim pilot]

Above 15

[waxen frigate]

You shouldn’t need defensive trinks at 10s

At all

[grim pilot]

At least

[glass ibex]

depending on the player too.. and ivl etc..

[cerulean merlin]

what is the best dps trinket for prot in m+?

grieftorch?

[violet ginkgo]

Hmmm then what you guys using for 8s? Anvil and something?

[grim pilot]

If you somehow fuck up and die log it and ask for tips, it’ll go a longer way - I guarantee if cheat saves you in +12 you will forget to log it and that would 100% be major fuckup

Assuming you want to improve

[jagged pier]

^^

[violet ginkgo]

I was assuming Anvil and Aug since brand is definitely no no for M+

[cerulean merlin]

im not sure on anvil since i don’t think i can 100% uptime it

[jagged pier]

brand is great for m+

if u say its bad in m+ because of uptime

thats the same for anvil

[violet ginkgo]

well at least anvil have some leeway that if it is almost expire you can press it to extend a bit more before the next pull

brand if you too late then insta bye2

[lusty grotto]

theres little RP on the dungeons this time around

brand will stay up

as will anvil

and especially on spite weeks

[cerulean merlin]

if i have to choose between grieftorch, anvil, brand and augury

what would u guys choose

for dam in m+

[lusty grotto]

grieftorch is the better one, but also has a huge caveat

you cant block during the cast

so you need to know that before you press it

you also cant parry during it

[violet ginkgo]

oh no

[lusty grotto]

as long as you know that

[cerulean merlin]

that was what i was thinking…

[lusty grotto]

and are doing it while youre safe

its the better one of all of them

[cerulean merlin]

in raids it should be good but in m+ this is scarry

[lusty grotto]

similarly to how beacon was in s2

just shockwave and press it

or do it pre pull

[cerulean merlin]

anvil and brand are about the same thing?

or one is better

[lusty grotto]

both are good

one is automatic

the other one is not

[cerulean merlin]

and augury is the worst of the 4 right

[lusty grotto]

augury is okay its just not the best

[cerulean merlin]

how can i sim for brand and anvil

for dungeons

i use dungeon slice?

[lusty grotto]

gear compare

1 target patchwerk for 3 mins and 5 mins for raid/st

5 target patchwerk for 1 min and 1.5 mins for m+ and aoe

dungeon slice doesnt work with our APL

so dont use it

signet and anvil will fall behind on anything less than 5 mins so

dont compare with other trinkets

[cerulean merlin]

ok, when server opens i will simply them

[lusty grotto]

if you want an accurate signet vs anvil sim you will need to do a 5 target 5 min patchwerk sim

i guess

its just due to their ramp up

[cerulean merlin]

sounds good, i will try that

[lusty grotto]

or just use this

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/warrior/protection/trinkets/castingpatchwerk5

[vestal moat]

is that 5 target sim?

castingpatchwerk5?

shocked how high ruby is

[lusty grotto]

yes

theres a lot of sim bait and trinkets with huge downsides

storm eaters for example lol

[toxic pewter]

Is dreadplate simming correctly

[lusty grotto]

also keep in mind i have no fucking clue what bloodmallet uses as sim duration

dreadplates assumes you will use all plating so it probably sims lower than expected

more plates up = more damage

less plates up = less damage

[toxic pewter]

Hmmm it truly is an interesting trinket

Since they added that change to it

[lusty grotto]

yeah its twilight dev 2.0

kind of

[toxic pewter]

It would be kinda crazy to use a bullion on it right

Like just bad probably

[lusty grotto]

i personally wouldnt

[hoary bough]

ring bullion this week 👀

[toxic pewter]

Yeah plus can get drop perhaps since first boss

[lusty grotto]

right

[toxic pewter]

Yeah I guess I’ll just get ring

[hoary bough]

if that quest is legit, get another bullion purchase next week too, kinda hype

[toxic pewter]

But what would you do if you have two hero rings and two champion trinkets. Should I get a trinket

[pallid quiver]

imagine getting ring this week instead of simply dropping it week 1

[toxic pewter]

Lol

[pallid quiver]

though it's only normal for the one that dropped for me

i've paid for that sins in almost no other loot of note since

[hoary bough]

for some reason, i lack the energy to do raids i've done all xpac, but i have the energy to do dungeons i've done all xpac

[pallid quiver]

my war isn't even equipped 500 ilvl average yet

[toxic pewter]

I’m just gonna use my 421 eranog ring from season 1

Hell I’ll even throw on my onyx annulet

I’m bringing it back

[pallid quiver]

my first piece of m+ loot dropped with nim yesterday

[hoary bough]

yikes

i'm almost glad for the lack of drops, it means i keep my cheat trinket from DOTI

[pallid quiver]

That really means I just need a pocket nim

[toxic pewter]

They should of brought back the onyx annulet

[empty sparrow]

Do the Enduring alacrity changes warrant sacrificing another talent for it?

[pallid quiver]

We'd swap ram for it if it's better

[onyx hearth]

Probably battering ram

[hoary bough]

still hard coping blizz stealth fixed BSV

[pallid quiver]

Nome and the others will yell at us when they have something concrete with it

[hoary bough]

why else would they mention it, huh?? huh??? surely they're aware

[onyx hearth]

Not sure which one I would sacrifice for disruptive shout

[jagged pier]

bloodsurge

[pallid quiver]

Based on how they keep talking about it and how we keep talking about it, I'm almost positive it's working as intended (tm) at this point

[jagged pier]

and we spoke about BSV earlier even if fixed still bad

[hoary bough]

it's meant to be a buff you get every 180s

[pallid quiver]

it'll protect you against prot war's biggest weakest, the one most likely to kill them

burst and magical damage

[onyx hearth]

Bloodsurge value is bad?

[jagged pier]

thats not what i said

[pallid quiver]

Opposite; bloodsurge is good

[jagged pier]

i said thats the talent u drop for disruting shout

[pallid quiver]

but it's the least painful thing to lop off for disrupting shout

[onyx hearth]

Fair enough

[pallid quiver]

You will feel the loss of bloodsurge

[hoary bough]

isn't a fixed BSV like any cheat though? great if you trigger it, worthless if you don't

[jagged pier]

no

[onyx hearth]

You guys like disruptive shout?

[jagged pier]

no

[jagged pier]

its not even a cheat death

[pallid quiver]

It doesn't even retroactively work on damage that brings you that low if it worked as intended, iirc

so it's not even a necropolis kind of deal

[jagged pier]

it actives the moment u dip below 30% which is usually once the damage has happened thanks to how the spec plays

[empty sparrow]

Even for M+?

[jagged pier]

but its still working on pre mitigation

so it will porc at 80%

[cerulean merlin]

is signet dangerous to use?

since it damages ourself

[jagged pier]

its the only thing u can drop

if its worse

it might not be

[pallid quiver]

There's no self-damage that's really relevant to a tank

[hoary bough]

replace BSV with DOTI trinket as a talent :YEP:

discord fooled me into thinking i had YEP in this disc

[jagged pier]

dont run cheat death.

[cerulean merlin]

anvil and signet are simming the same for me, signet 300dps high

[empty sparrow]

Doesnt this require dropping into the fray for heavy reprocussions

[jagged pier]

no

[cerulean merlin]

i guess signet it is right? since its passive

[jagged pier]

because u still have champions bulwark

[karmic plinth]

u can game anvil to keep stacks out of combat more than u can with signet brand

delay on use to cover combat gaps and what not

if that sounds horrible go signet

[empty sparrow]

Ok then what on the tree do you loose

[jagged pier]

bloodsurge

or disrupting shout

[onyx hearth]

Not sure which is more valuable, Bloodborne or disruptive shout, since you lose a lot of IP by having less rage, but DS does indeed has the stop value

[jagged pier]

because ppl dont use it / it doesnt do as much as ppl think it does

as nome has proved with logs multiple times now

[onyx hearth]

DS does help more in pugs tho

[karmic plinth]

bloodsurge you can live without and its "fine" bc its just more rage but its not like we are short of resources

[pallid quiver]

In pugs you just pull what you can stop

[empty sparrow]

Ds kinda huge imo

[karmic plinth]

we're probably overvaluing DS

[jagged pier]

as i said nome has looked at many a prot log who claims that

and they dont even press shout

[pallid quiver]

an extra stop every 1.5 mins doesn't enable anything with pugs

[jagged pier]

or dont intuprt anything with it

but claim its a must have

[pallid quiver]

Rather, you'd need a well-knit group to justify disrupting shout in my opinion

Tight enough that you can specifically point out where you'd need disrupting shout

[onyx hearth]

It's less now, 1 min and 15 secs right?

[jagged pier]

its 75 seconds now

[violet ginkgo]

I use that AOE taunt for a lot of "in case" if I am out of AoE ability to pull, is that wrong way to use it?

[pallid quiver]

I think that's it now, yes,

But for the sake of the arguments for it, I'm going off what people were arguing for it before

[onyx hearth]

Why not just 1 min haha

[lusty grotto]

i mean might as well just use plain challenging shout if thats the case valkyrion

[pallid quiver]

It'd be too strong 🙂

[karmic plinth]

technically no but the talent point gives u the weird snipe interrupt

[onyx hearth]

Yea sure

[karmic plinth]

and cdr

[violet ginkgo]

Hmmm but with the reduced CD I think I can use it more freely right? if saw a lot of cast then interupt it, maybe it will recover on the next in case I need the AOE taunt part

[onyx hearth]

If your dps will die if you don't aoe taunt, sure why not

[lusty grotto]

you shouldnt need it on pulls though

thats something thats fixed with proper play and gear

when it comes to threat

[onyx hearth]

In theory no, but shit happens

[violet ginkgo]

well sometimes if pugging people are just too happy trigger before tank can gain aggro, yes it is their fault 100% but still you know..

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats not your fault nor yours to fix

they need to learn somehoww

[waxen frigate]

It’s like 15sec less

[onyx hearth]

Iam too old to teach DPS how to play

[torn gulch]

People in pugs don t even wait to set up a pull

[pallid quiver]

that was me on one pull yesterday because i flame shocked the mob nim didn't shield slam

[lusty grotto]

which is why you shouldnt

thats exactly my point

its not your problem

[karmic plinth]

you dont teach them their death teaches them

[lusty grotto]

let them take the death

[pallid quiver]

yeah that was a me problem

[lusty grotto]

and they will learn by themselves

[pallid quiver]

i didn't need to learn, i just needed to be better and not misclick ;-;

[onyx hearth]

Why would I let them die to break the key and lose my time?

[lusty grotto]

if a single death is gonna break your key, you have bigger problems than that

[torn gulch]

I had situations where dps will not wait until I unite multiple packs for a pull dump their cd s in like 3 targets then die and blame me

[lusty grotto]

let them

their blame isnt justified

[waxen frigate]

Nim bricked 3 of my keys

[lusty grotto]

they can say all the want, they can bitch all they want

[torn gulch]

And a lot of them were ret palas or havoc

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt matter, its just words

leave key go next

[waxen frigate]

Holy based

Also yeah honeslty

[dark barn]

Pugs will be easier with Disrupt Shout. And i want to have a easier life. So i pick disrupt shout. Thats all.

[waxen frigate]

Someone shit talks me as tank

I’m gone

[pallid quiver]

It's only justified imo if you're a Paladin/DK and you drop Cons/Decay and you sit still in it for 2 seconds

[waxen frigate]

Sucks to suck

[pallid quiver]

and then you move to grab more

[waxen frigate]

I’ll be in a key while you wait in lfg

[onyx hearth]

That's why DS have 1 min and 15 secs, so it can save lot of lives haha

[lusty grotto]

fuck that

i dont use DS to save someone popping cds while im pulling

they die

plain and simple

is it my key? i dont give a shit

[onyx hearth]

Why would you do that haha

[lusty grotto]

they need to learn

[cerulean merlin]

im having big aggro problems

[lusty grotto]

or else we're gonna be stuck with them for a long long time

[onyx hearth]

But it's your value life time

[dark barn]

You acompplish nothing with that, next pug will face different people

[cerulean merlin]

when people explode in first second of the pull

[lusty grotto]

you can just get the key up anyway

[dark barn]

i guess people just like the hard way...

[lusty grotto]

but its not hard

[cerulean merlin]

i play with 4 friends so they kinda need to lern

[lusty grotto]

16s are hard, youre not pugging 16s

[karmic plinth]

this is something you can have a conversation with them about at least

[dark barn]

disrupt shout is a pug protector, if you are in a full group its another story

[lusty grotto]

sixdays did you completely miss what were discussing?

this isnt about kicking

[onyx hearth]

The less you are reliable on pugs, the more happy you are

[toxic pewter]

I refuse to run disrupting shout going forward

[lusty grotto]

this is about a dps popping cds ON PULL

[carmine solstice]

I remember running nokhud and a ret Paladin and 3 entire interrupts 😎

[karmic plinth]

you can run something to babysit the players in your group or you can run something overall better for you and condition your other players to play better

[lusty grotto]

im not even arguing about taking or not taking DS

im saying

you should stop babysitting people

[toxic pewter]

Not our job to babysit brain dead dps

[waxen frigate]

Let them suffer

[toxic pewter]

Indeed

[lusty grotto]

if they pop wings on a pull that's halfway through

they deserve the fucking death

period

end of story

[carmine solstice]

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Most dps in pugs

[cerulean merlin]

in the start i was trying my best to help dps

but its not worth i think

they only stop when they die

[lusty grotto]

if the dps youre with cannot grasp that concept, what makes you think they will do any better to help the group?

did the wings pull popper freedom anyone? does he have unbound freedom even talented? any dispels? any sacs?

its a group effort

pick the people that play the group game

[toxic pewter]

It’s actually a disservice to that dps and the group at large if you babysit them

[karmic plinth]

if you're premade which sounds like you can talk to them before a key and explain this and thats going to go further

[cerulean merlin]

yes i talked to them and it helped a lot

[lusty grotto]

hell if they pop cds halfway through the pull and dps 1 pack down, they are losing a massive amount of dps

[cerulean merlin]

we are getting better