It all feels ridiculously easy atm, 490 should be pretty low ilvl. But I don’t think there was any stress of dying on any fight.
#protection
bleak breach
jagged gust
Sark still gets my blood pumping
lusty grotto
except for one shots its way easier than anything at least this time around
keen iris
Did we ever decide if disrupting is good or not?
bleak breach
Sark is always rough because everyone dies on his big ability when they stand in the wrong spots
I had a 30m group and no one grabbed the bomb
lusty grotto
at the very least sark is more puggable than razz
bleak breach
Fair
lusty grotto
and fyrakk more puggable than the other 2
jagged gust
I have to simultaneously do callouts because people seem to get amnesia the moment the knockback targets them
bleak breach
Some people deliberately die at the start of those hard fights just to try and get loot
sick sentinel
Fyrakk > Sark > Rasz yeah
bleak breach
Kills me
sick sentinel
I like rasz
hollow patio
Guys did they change how the reflect works on the last boss in halls of infusion? I thought you always need to take the knockback and then reflect the channel
hoary bough
mythic rasz made me hate rasz, but the hc one is kind of fun, ngl
warm plinth
Guys did they change how the reflect works on the last boss in halls of infusion...
That is how you do it, yes.
hollow patio
According to this log you can just reflect both
sick sentinel
I never got past mythic council
hoary bough
it was just so long with boring intermissions
warm plinth
According to this log you can just reflect both
@shut summit 👀
sick sentinel
My spell reflect wa lights up on it so dunno
hoary bough
holy, you can reflect the kb too?
warm plinth
Well, we knew you could reflect buffet, but we didn't know that one SR would do both
vestal moat
makes no sense, reflect should only ever reflect one spell
unless they all hit at once
which obviously it doesnt in this instance
hardy snow
According to this log you can just reflect both
but he receive dmg from knock there
hollow patio
The Boss received the damage from both spells
hardy snow
nvm, im blind
sick sentinel
Spell reflect makes my booty tickle
hoary bough
i love all the bosses where you finish it and 50% of your dmg is spell reflect
hijinks on the 2nd nokhud boss
lusty grotto
yes we knew you can reflect the knock
and yes we knew it did damage
but its not as much damage as the dot
hoary bough
but both
lusty grotto
thats not possible
hoary bough
that's what they did in the log
lusty grotto
its probably a lag spike
hollow patio
2 times in a row?
lusty grotto
SR only reflects a single spell
its not reflective plating
we dont have that anymore
its possible its bugged
so i guess take advantage of it?
1 sec i ran a hoi this week and reflected the knock by mistake let me check
sick sentinel
I know nimchip is sweating researching this
hoary bough
would be nice if it was bugged
warm plinth
Why? Not like it's a hard fight for us anyway.
waxen frigate
this was me most of last tier mythic
hollow patio
More damage, more good
hardy snow
sick sentinel
I think the war within will bring out the 99 parser mythic raider i know i can be
Just need good guild
hollow patio
I found another random log where it worked with both reflects
hollow patio
You click on the + icon for the things you want to add and then go to events
At least thats how i do it
Idk if there is a different way
hollow patio
can you link your log?
orchid mural
Did we ever decide if disrupting is good or not?
personally i think disrupting shout is a must take talent - i play with pugs, or couple friends + pugs mostly, thus i feel most of the stops are on me as the tank. i played in the +26 key range last season, for context.
lusty grotto
i was looking at all my HoI logs and thats the only one where i reflected knock by mistake
hollow patio
torn gulch
it's actually crazy the quality of dps players in pugs
lusty grotto
i guess it does add up
it says 6 hits
err 12 hits
and its 6 ticks each reflect
interesting
hoary bough
yeah, his link says the time you reflected it by mistake, you got both
granite pond
so SR at the last second on buffet and get it all?
lusty grotto
i suppose
hollow patio
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/k3yBRtDaTq7XjLYw#fight=last&type=damage-taken&pull=15&hostility=1&source=42
You dont need to do any pins. You can just check damage taken from boss. 1 time squall buffet + both deluges.
lusty grotto
but the interesting thing here is
that its only counting one focused deluge cast
i wonder if WCL is just fucky
hoary bough
could be wcl, or could be the way in which the spell is coded, the focused deluge cast comes so fast after the squall buffet if you reflect it
but very slow if you don't
only way to test is by going to the dungeon and trying to reflect both ig
hollow patio
At casts it shows both casts. Idk why it doesn't show on damage taken
hoary bough
and judging it outside of logs
lusty grotto
yeah im gonna hop in to a random 9 to check
well after i eat dinner
also theres 0 deluge damage taken on me so
in the log
ill check in a bit
orchid mural
Will bosses defeated in DOTI hardmode - will their loot show in great vault? ie - will i have a chance at cheat death trink in my vault?
solemn current
Will bosses defeated in DOTI hardmode - will their loot show in great vault? ie ...
I would assume you get credit for clearing M0 so you'd have a chance to get Champion track if you didn't have the slots overwritten with M+ slots.
It wouldn't show up in your M+ slots for sure though.
hardy snow
I would assume you get credit for clearing M0 so you'd have a chance to get Cham...
I would assume loot table is same for entire row, no matter how you fill it 
cunning void
Hey I just saw the blue post for the changes coming tomorrow, any changed tallent setups we should be moving to? Or is that all up in the air yet?
lusty grotto
wait until tomorrow
but enduring alacrity is likely to replace battering ram
we will see
5 mins and ill start applying to HoIs, if anyone isnt checking at the moment
cinder nova
How much is ridiculous?
chilly brook
@waxen frigate why did blizz do this?
waxen frigate
<@135532750890467329> why did blizz do this?
because they're fucking stupid
waxen frigate
like the stagger change good
also very random
chilly brook
White tiger statue already feels bad to press lol
and I didn't think monks were particularly broken in damage considering they're not meta
cinder nova
Kill brew so they can frankenstein it
waxen frigate
and I didn't think monks were particularly broken in damage considering they're ...
equinox posted a pic on twitter i guess
so they decided to randomly fire a shotgun at our aoe abilities
chilly brook
waxen frigate
even though SCK fucking sucks
its literally worse than TP until like 5 targets
and even then its like
you kinda just prio dmg tp
hoary bough
should have nerfed the buttons
stoic smelt
Is the Push M+ Build good for doing a +8 at 470 ilvl with no tier?
weak snow
will today changes the m+ build? BR out?
chilly brook
even though SCK fucking sucks
lol imagine
pallid quiver
The real downside to running your own key:
having to awkwardly decline people's friends requesting to join the group while you're mid boss
tribal wharf
addendum : they rage whisper you why they should be invited
had a few of those guys
pallid quiver
can't say I've had that one, since my strat is to awkwardly ignore it until it times out
so they probably just think I'm afk
tribal wharf
ya ive done that alot too
list a key for 15 minutes not even realize, log off for X reason
tribal wharf
god i love heretic/hexen (this item is basically a scroll of bloodlust, tome of power)
totally a warlock offhand item, priest btw
lusty grotto
@hollow patio
have a go at it
first reflect was early
2nd reflect was late
and boss died so it didnt get full ticks
so it has to be a pretty late SR
i think, this was present on s2
we just didnt test it enough
pallid quiver
nim tank this +8 for my shimmy sham smh
lusty grotto
alright
pallid quiver
Don't think I have you as a BTag friend yet, let me DM you tag
feral folio
Hey there, what's the general consensus for the upcoming changes, good ? Bad ?
pallid quiver
They don't really change much, but we'll do more damage
cinder flare
😐
feral folio
Will u drop battering ram for the buffed hp armour talent ?
feral folio
👍
pallid quiver
smh nim got to see me get straight farmed from dps brain rot today
pallid quiver
yeah, gimme those, i need those to cover for enha's like, one defensive button and me going dead in the end
I couldn't even do my rotation properly smh
at least i dropped a poison cleanse totem that didn't really help on tree boss
utility
tribal wharf
giga survive build
lusty grotto
no dps build
south zealot
lusty grotto
whats deez nuts
urban bane
unsure. i think it is like ligma? but idk what that is either
pallid quiver
strong this vid energy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6e1_IlvmQs
urban bane
(video is actually good)
toxic pewter
how come every nokhud i do does not go very well lol
oh no wonder, no one was interrupting lol
these vdh's really do have people on braindead mode when it comes to interrupts
lusty grotto
well you cant sigil of silence the big cast
tribal wharf
ya, story of my life, ontop of whatever else im doing wrong, 14 lightning botls arent interrupted, healer healing like crazy we wipe
lusty grotto
but you can at least stop the horns
toxic pewter
ngl final boss is really tough even with aoe int
we wiped and had to assign cc but then apparently people kept breaking the cc
what a mess lol
pallid quiver
Last boss is also a cluster of if everyone's going to be on the same train of thought or not
pallid quiver
*always a cluster
I msyelf am a gather everything using normal interrupts then chain stun/knock/etc kinda person
others are "let's CC the farther out mob" kinds of people
toxic pewter
I mean i used everything but it was a chaotic mess
vdh must have it so easy on that boss
and i guess prot palas too
perhaps
throwing shields left and right
hardy magnet
dumb question, what procs filial duty/diurna's ring?
pallid quiver
Helm enchant, gholak, shadowflame embel,
anything that's got fire/flame kinda damage, of which there's a non-zero amount
They're relatively trivial to proc, even for Prot War
toxic pewter
what you guys buying tomorrow/wednesday if we get 2 bullions
jagged gust
I'm pushing with 2 diff groups and they're going icon/OCE between the two
So obviously I'm taking the ring out of spite
toxic pewter
lol weird why not just both pick 1 to get
i am not sure if i should get ring or trinket
you think ring is better
I guess it is really good since its just free damage
jagged gust
I say it just depends on your current gear, I'm still stuck with a 486 ring while I have 2 heroic raid trinkets
toxic pewter
yah both my trinkets are champion
and i have two hero rings
then I am not sure which trinket lol
jagged gust
Trinke would be my line of thinking, ring is what, 1-2% overall? A max myth raid trinket is gonna stomp that when comparing relative ilvls
orchid mural
what you guys buying tomorrow/wednesday if we get 2 bullions
there;'s a rumor we get 2 bullions?
toxic pewter
ya possibly due to dungeon quest rewarding 2 bullions on the ptr
but its all speculation, probably wont happen
cerulean merlin
hi fellow friends
new prot here (my first season)
how much are this buffs helping us
and are our talents going to change? aoe interrupt sounds nice
low cd too
cursive jacinth
Hello all new to prot warrior. How are we supposed to use Spell Block and in what situations?
lusty grotto
we have a blockable/reflectable sheet that has spell-blockable attacks in it
its pinned
pallid quiver
how much are this buffs helping us
we'll do more damage mostly
pallid quiver
Hello all new to prot warrior. How are we supposed to use Spell Block and in wha...
It's a defensive CD that you should rotate as a defensive CD for attacks it works on; a rule of thumb that is less of a rule of thumb now is if it's a cast or ability that isn't a dot, it can reduce it. Magic dots it will usually do jack all against.
usually
I recommend going to the sheet Nim mentioned to look at what abilities are blockable, though
it functions as blizz decrees
lusty grotto
you press it but, you need to have shield block up
pallid quiver
oh yeah, that also
lusty grotto
if you press it without shield block you will leave it to chance, which is not something you want to do
pallid quiver
It just turns on the ability to block spells
doesn't guarantee blocks without shield block
winged scaffold
dont see a pin in here
but is prot gonna pog off after the buffs
or still doodoo compared to dh
rapid jewel
or still doodoo compared to dh
DH just shuts down every pack hard forever. making pulls trivial.
worn willow
Good ones…. Bad ones welll, suck. With the spec flooded chances are they are just doing the flavor of the month game
vocal flame
Am I very late to the party or are we actually getting buffs tomorrow?
vocal flame
All ability damage increased by 5%.
Devastator damage increased by 30%.
Ignore Pain healing increased by 6%.
Disrupting Shout’s cooldown reduced to 75 seconds (was 90 seconds).
Enduring Alacrity increases Stamina and Armor by 10% (was 5%) and Haste by 2% (was 1%).
Battering Ram now increases your auto-attack damage and speed by 10% for 20 seconds (was 20%).
Better than nothing tho
lusty grotto
they do nothing
the battering ram nerf is kinda fucked
its not better than nothing
its literally nothing
equal
rapid jewel
damage wasn't our issue. Utility and grouping tools are still kinda bad
cerulean merlin
are we going to talent enduring alacrity and disrupting shout kick?
or it’s bait
sick sentinel
Bullions on rageheart or boon hmmm
lusty grotto
enduring is probably the go to
but
wait until nome posts
change is live tomorrow so there's time
sick sentinel
/flip coin
cerulean merlin
even if i’m not in risk?
lusty grotto
Bullions on rageheart or boon hmmm
or maybe you should look at pins
because there's so many options for defensive trinkets it literally not worth to spend your 2nd bullion on rageheart
cerulean merlin
im doing +9/+10 atm so not that high
lusty grotto
even if i’m not in risk?
yes even if youre not at risk
SB buffs your SS damage, it should be up as much as possible
sick sentinel
I dont look at pins, i dont care what the meta is which is why i bought boon
cerulean merlin
hmmm didn’t know about that
lusty grotto
just to shitpost?
sick sentinel
I was asking between the both
lusty grotto
answer: neither
sick sentinel
Too late
lusty grotto
🤷
sick sentinel
Naa i dunno what to pick
cerulean merlin
i will try to log a dungeon after reset but i think im doing things the wrong way
lusty grotto
well if youre not gonna look at pins, i cant help you
not you luci im addressing the shitposter
do post a log when you have a chance
sick sentinel
Shitposting is asking a question apparently
cerulean merlin
i don’t feel very comfortable changing off def stance and my dmg kinda sucks
cerulean merlin
not you luci im addressing the shitposter
oki:)
lusty grotto
youre refusing help that is pinned because its "meta"
that is by definition
shitposting
cerulean merlin
im doing 170k ish overall but ss is not my most damage
lusty grotto
yeah thats something that you need to correct i guess
lusty grotto
no probs
sick sentinel
Thx for shitposting
spice burrow
is warrior tank good compared to dh atm? played in bfa last time was warrior main
spice burrow
okey thanks
winged scaffold
DH just shuts down every pack hard forever. making pulls trivial.
yep thats what i was thinking too u cant bandaid the gap by slapping a little bit of tankiness and dmg to make up for 1 class having 10x as many tools as the other
tough meteor
Here's an ultra n00b question... is Rend necessary? Having Thunderstrike, at no rage cost, why would I cast rend and spend 30 rage? 🤔
tough meteor
Because "Blood and Thunder" talent, RIGHT. Thank you! ♥
lusty grotto
yup
flint tiger
what are people's thoughts on titanic throw?
thought I saw people taking it in the past, seems like it has fallen out of favor?
Was thinking of dropping sidearm for it (looks like plka runs with that build), but not sure if losing ~4-5M of free damage in a M+ from autos is significant
cause pulling large packs is so annoying, particularly in pugs.
leaden shard
Was thinking of dropping sidearm for it (looks like plka runs with that build), ...
4-5M is what, around 6 seconds of ST for the whole group? If it makes it 2 or even 3x safer when pulling probably worth imho
Probably convinced me to grab it now
lusty grotto
its okay
but it can be fucky if you want to skip certain packs
reason why i dont talent it
its probably pretty good in say BH/Nok
but certainly not in Nelth deeper packs near last boss (i know from experience in s2)
bounding stride forever
flint tiger
i typically try to taunt to pull tight packs and then heroic throw when closer
lusty grotto
uhh
if youre close just tclap
taunt pulling bosses is fine, taunt pulling packs without any consequent damage can be a recipe for disaster
flint tiger
errr tight pack int he sense i want to pull one but was worried about titanic throw hittin gmultiple
then titanic throw when they're far away from other mobs
flint tiger
i just didn't know if my sidearm dmg was high/lower than expected
silver crane
Does the hotfix class tuning advantage us in any way?
lusty grotto
and/or in your case titanic throw i guess
ionic fern
Buffs are always good.
lusty grotto
no
ionic fern
flint tiger
the nerf to battering ram was odd to me, but i guess most people used it instead of the distrupting shout challenge
lusty grotto
thats not accurate
we picked both
oh you mean
disrupting
i thought you meant thunderlord
im sleepy
flint tiger
lolol np
grim pilot
Go to sleep
lusty grotto
you dropped bloodsurge for disrupting
not battering ram
but now... rip battering ram
leaden shard
tries to promote build diversity
makes a single talent significantly worse to where people just wont play it anymore
lusty grotto
not the same level of keys so
you shouldn't mirror 100% of what plka does
most of it is fine sure
ionic fern
Still can't really doom & gloom about battering ram. The damage + crit part diddn't get affected, so it might still be the ST option.
lusty grotto
but not all of it
flint tiger
definitely true, i just more like the extra kick util cause pugging keys is rough and i found myself w/o rage at times so i thought rage > auto and shield charge dmg lol
lusty grotto
well
grim pilot
Its mostly for gathering
flint tiger
i've been super behind using menace though, felt like a hardcore noob
lusty grotto
you still got it, you just dropped bloodsurge
ionic fern
I run disrupting shout everywhere, fight me.
lusty grotto
not battering ram
grim pilot
Thats where it gets the value
leaden shard
I run disrupting shout everywhere, fight me.
Almost feels like its baseline
grim pilot
I run disrupting shout everywhere, fight me.
If I want to time the key yes
If I want to do as much dam as possible nop
shut summit
yep pretty much always disrupting
grim pilot
But I never do the latter so
lusty grotto
i never change it
lusty grotto
until tomorrow at least 😦
grim pilot
Not sure how big of a loss was that
grim pilot
Bloodsurge feels too good in mass aoe
lusty grotto
i dont really miss it a lot
ionic fern
yep pretty much always disrupting
Send me your Brackenhide route please. 😦 We tried a 16 yesterday and failed miserably.
lusty grotto
ive been playing that build since s3 came up pretty much
ionic fern
leaden shard
Bloodsurge feels too good in mass aoe
Bolstering is almost over back to pulling half the dungeon so you dont ever run out of rage
leaden shard
If it just affected tanks its fine but cba to kill my party everytime i want to put 2 packs together in pugs
lusty grotto
now to get ready to manage 0 affixes
well at least we get to keep anvil/signet up without much effort
since spiteful
and incorp LUL
shut summit
Send me your Brackenhide route please. 😦 We tried a 16 yesterday and failed mis...
hold w
grim pilot
Bolstering is almost over back to pulling half the dungeon so you dont ever run ...
Im not playing 10’s
No point
shut summit
i heard it was kinda chill now, is it viable?
no clue
leaden shard
Im not playing 10’s
Cant believe you wouldnt go play a 10 for the dopamine of pulling 30 mobs
lusty grotto
my SP friend keeps saying he finds it easier now, but hes only done 13s
grim pilot
So they told me to go tank bolstering
lusty grotto
idk about that claim though cause bolstering ranger sounds like a fucking nightmare
but he said you can just play stops on it and its fine
either way that side has less count options
leaden shard
hold w
lusty grotto
always
leaden shard
Pull 15, get cheap shot, ???, leave key
grim pilot
I recall doing one of the higher bhs back in s2 with full premade I got invited to via lfg
They had a really cool route
Did 1 pack at the start
Skipped everything in first area
And then did both sides basically in 2nd boss area
If I recall correctly
lusty grotto
yeah i recall seeing a similar route
grim pilot
Obviously they pulled to the first boss
lusty grotto
somewhere
grim pilot
But aside from that just 1 pack alone
I mean it definitely felt like a good route for high keys
lusty grotto
first packs are always kind of a problem, moreso than right side
less going on with right side packs past first boss anyway
grim pilot
Idk I havent tested much recently since im not too keen on doing higher than 10 first few weeks
lusty grotto
like just kick 1 cast, dps totem or spam cleanse, play defensives on high bleed counts, thats it
everything is dodgeable
vs...
play stops on fixates, manage kicks
11 billion group casters
warscourges getting fears off
etc
oh
plus runners
hollow patio
@lusty grotto In your log it looks weird. You reflected both squall buffets but only 1 deluge. You still took damage from the first deluge for some reason
lusty grotto
i did a early reflect first
to test it out (early kicks dont work to reflect both)
and then i did a late one, which caught the channel
but the boss died after 1 tick
so thats why so little damage from it
ionic fern
hold w
Jeah, we did that. Still failed.
We diddn't have a priest to do the cages like you did tho. 😦
Which seemed comfy.
grim pilot
Reflecting is so cool since u have both hoi and nokhud this season
But I love when I dont reflect a spell for some reason
lusty grotto
ya
i was looking at cast bar
i did it before it hit halfway
the other one, i waited until the very end
so it has to do with when you reflect basically
hollow patio
In the log it looks like your timing was pretty much the same
thick charm
is prot war good for the coming patch?
ionic fern
is prot war good for the coming patch?
I don't think there are any changes for 10.2.7 for us.
So we'll remain the same, as Nim said.
leaden shard
But I love when I dont reflect a spell for some reason
I wonder what causes this
leaden shard
I had a no reflect on a bolstered caster last season and got one shot to it, called dont kick, cast about 1.5sec before, deadge, oh well
slender gull
Big buffs coming or is it not that good ?
ionic fern
It's not a "big" buff.
But it's a buff.
They did move in the correct direction with our buffs, e.g the reduced Disrupting Shout CD and more damage, so that's good.
ionic fern
I had a no reflect on a bolstered caster last season and got one shot to it, cal...
Ya, i got almost one shot by the Tempest boss in Nokhud because of reflect failing.
grim pilot
Ye it was last boss in NO, conductivr strike
But I recall someone saying its been buggy since .1 or .2
ionic fern
Jeah, it's been buggy for a while.
leaden shard
Ya, i got almost one shot by the Tempest boss in Nokhud because of reflect faili...
A guess i had was something based on it not being your target and being fucky but if it was on tempest boss i have no clue what you can do to counter it than just dont have it fail 5head
flint tiger
at what key level do people typically just always sit in d-stance instead of shuffling back/forth?
honest vale
That's any key you find yourself dying b/c you're shuffling back and forth.
leaden shard
at what key level do people typically just always sit in d-stance instead of shu...
I needed to do around 50/50 this week in rlp 11 but im not great at prot, i think its purely a comfort level aslong as its not lethal to not be in dstance, then dstance if it would otherwise be suicide to leave it
flint tiger
got it, just was wondering if i was griefing trying to stance dance still or not, i've not been pushing super high yet (9s) but i'm only 488 ilvl
ionic fern
at what key level do people typically just always sit in d-stance instead of shu...
I sat in d-stance yesterday for the majority of the 15 Brackenhide.
I also sit in d-stance in keys/pulls which i've not done before just for comfortability reasons, unless the key is really low.
Generally speaking, i still stance-dance.
ionic fern
got it, just was wondering if i was griefing trying to stance dance still or not...
You should ideally stance-dance and use Defensive stance as a "defensive CD".
But there's honestly no harm in sitting in it for pulls/keys you're not familiar with.
leaden shard
Generally speaking, i still stance-dance.
Definitely on burn phases swap like crawth
willow moss
Thinking about Anvil for next bullion
sharp dew
Jeah, it's been buggy for a while.
I feel like reflect is super buggy just on some casts, it’ll show spell reflect still active after the cast already goes through on some things-first boss AV it’s happened quite a few times for me
willow moss
I took the weapon first time. Trinkets kinda suck. Got the health boost from tw raid trinket. I think I could pump more with anvil
jagged pier
I feel like reflect is super buggy just on some casts, it’ll show spell reflect ...
i mean theres nothing reflectable on the first boss of AV
theres 1 thing thats defelctable
sharp dew
It’s deflectable, same idea
sick sentinel
I took the weapon first time. Trinkets kinda suck. Got the health boost from tw ...
I derped first coin on raz 2h for mog as i was not planing on playing the prot warr but found it so funn so started gearing on sunday, got from 441 to 503 during that day with 4 set so happy need to replace belt and 1 trinket.
Hc weapon and shield so im buying grief if i dont get from vault next time
willow moss
Prot is big fun
sick sentinel
Only doing alt hc raid and keys on it this season , playing bdk as main atm
Really hope prot looks strong next exp as i wanna main the warr
willow moss
I main brew but may switch next expansion I like the aoe stops plus jumping is amazing
sick sentinel
Yeah the mobility is so amazing after plying dk / prot pala last 2 seasons
Ill probably bring all other tanks up next exp but aiming to main prot warr.
Also gives us consistent buff to as we strugled with only having 1 warr
If hes gone = no buff
lusty coyote
They did move in the correct direction with our buffs, e.g the reduced Disruptin...
Pog!
Any suggestions on what to drop to get Disruptive Shout? It feels way to good not to have. Or am I just playing with bad groups?
ionic fern
Pog!
Any suggestions on what to drop to get Disruptive Shout? It feels way to go...
Pugs are a nightmare. I enjoy having Disruptive in pugs, since it allows you to have slightly more control and groupin capabilities for packs with a lot of casters.
You do need to actually think about it and actively pull around it.
Otherwise it'll be a dead talent point.
sick sentinel
Question folks i seam to strugle with initial treath when pulling 2-3 packs , and the dps in my keys goes ham 0.1 sec into pull before im even done pulling. Any tips to gather agrro on all moobs?
patent osprey
Question folks i seam to strugle with initial treath when pulling 2-3 packs , an...
Try heroic throw over side arm. Ive really taken a liking to it for that very reason
lusty coyote
You do need to actually think about it and actively pull around it.
Yea ok :S Like first pull in RLP ? iam getting shredded by casts there.
patent osprey
Lose a little dps for big quality of life
lusty coyote
Would you drop Battering for it ?
granite lava
guys, in NO, 90.56% ignore pain and 39.9% shoield block, it sucks?
patent osprey
Would you drop Battering for it ?
Ye u can drop battering for disruptive. There are a few optinal talents like thunderlord or blood surge as well
vocal cave
The 10% armor +2%haste talent Worth picking now?
patent osprey
The 10% armor +2%haste talent Worth picking now?
Probably not but could see it possibly on tyran as an optional pick over bloodsurge
lusty coyote
Ye u can drop battering for disruptive. There are a few optinal talents like thu...
Ok cool, even more so when the tuning hits I assume ?
patent osprey
Its just ur prefered playstyle
If u dont use it often then its a wasted talent. I personally like the control it brings so i use it like evrry pull. Even if for just intial threat
ionic nimbus
Can confirm this build is decent
blazing condor
guys, in NO, 90.56% ignore pain and 39.9% shoield block, it sucks?
You want to check effective shield block% which you can only do in warcraft logs
shield block uptime doesnt matter in itself because you may have it up when you're not even blocking anyhting
ionic fern
Jep. But 40% sounds wrong already from details
sick sentinel
Try heroic throw over side arm. Ive really taken a liking to it for that very re...
Titanic throw ya mean?
young wasp
Titanic throw ya mean?
sick sentinel
It was ment as a question
native venture
why dont we play intimidating shout with menace for additional cc?
karmic plinth
menace doesnt really add anything more than intimidating shout didnt already bring
native venture
but in addition?
native venture
another aoe interrupt
pallid quiver
it already is an aoe interrupt
native venture
do you talent intimidating shout?
native venture
ah ok
native venture
what do i drop?
pallid quiver
Since it just adds a knock effect and makes it so enemies don't run if they stay feared
native venture
titanic throw?
pallid quiver
I'd recommend popping over and jacking Nom's build, since you're also missing bounding stride, which can be quite useful
In fact, it's needed in order to leap every other breath on Deios if you hit DotI hard mode
native venture
ty, ima check the pins
pallid quiver
OTherwise, it's off CD just too late
ionic nimbus
Knockback can be useful in sanguine weeks, depending on the amount of knockbacks in your setup
upbeat crane
Hey im new to prot and looking to learn everything about prot. Where do i begin, ive only tanked like 5 +4's on a vdh before and NEVER played prot. Any specific guides i should watch?
blazing condor
Hey im new to prot and looking to learn everything about prot. Where do i begin,...
best advice would be to look up the guides. Either the one on IcyVeins or WoWHead
then you can check for some extra stuff in this channel's pins
then just play and get some experience and come back if theres any questions
waxen frigate
what do i drop?
Titanic throw or intervene
Intervene is dogshit
Also wtf
Drop uproar for one handed specialization
You’re hard trolling yourself
rigid hull
is there anyway to hide details?
i dont really want to see it in combat or even a dungeon
nvm nvm found it
waxen frigate
Just turn it off 4head
echo egret
Birds patrol in Nokhud 3rd part, how do you avoid pulling them by accident ? I tried to pull the pack on the mound away, but there's always a caster refusing to move.
hardy snow
Birds patrol in Nokhud 3rd part, how do you avoid pulling them by accident ? I t...
after landing watch where they are, if they are close - just wait, pull dog boy nearby meanwhile or something
and after pulling move down from the hill
echo egret
mmm
jagged pier
i mean they dont really do anything tho
kinda free count
they need a stop for the casts but eh they do it like once and die
pallid quiver
they'll wipe most pugs if they get put in mid-pull due to people not being ready for them
also they'll murder most tanks in pugs if they get added mid pull from back hits
jagged pier
thats why u save int shout or shockwave for them
pallid quiver
If you intentionally pull them, it's ez clap
so i always just aim to pull them asap
jagged pier
i dunno they have literally never been an issue
i know they fly around
i just except them to turn up at a point
🤷
pallid quiver
They've never been an issue as long as I've had decent players around
if i don't, it's often a non-zero amount of dead party mates
and if i'm not tanking, a dead entire party because i can't tank 8 mobs on an enha
fallen lichen
doing a random 8 ulda with my warrior to test my arms offspec
this is my warrior tank
hardy snow
Please read some guides about builds, you troll yourself with that build
jagged pier
i think u need to read his message sir
hardy snow
ahh, ok, im bad at reading 
fallen lichen
he's doing 53k overall nw
fallen lichen
still timing it though
jagged pier
may i suggest u point him to the wowhead or icy vein guides
because thats ummmm
bad
fallen lichen
I'll suggest
waxen frigate
i just except them to turn up at a point
Fr I just keep an eye out
jagged pier
its worse than your bleed-support build
fallen lichen
waxen frigate
Honestly yeah
I made bleed support when I didn’t know a ton about prot
So I couldn’t shitpost hard enough
This is psychotic
knotty stump
Pointing that stuff out usually never goes well. I was doing Azurblade with a DK tank yesterday and he never once gripped the adds to the boss. I told him after the fight in case he wasn't aware he could and he says "I know".
waxen frigate
Pointing that stuff out usually never goes well. I was doing Azurblade with a DK...
That’s just based
No rend is actually just mind boggling
Oh also I played tough as nails in an AA 10 yesterday just for funsies
God that talent is beyond useless
jagged pier
if u dont need spell block its the best way to get to punish
dusky canopy
@lusty grotto gm brotha
lusty grotto
whats crackin brew
dusky canopy
Today is 2nd craft but only half a bullion item right?
dusky canopy
Three!!?
lusty grotto
2 from quest, 1 from raid
dusky canopy
Hell yeah two weeks in a row with bullion
jagged pier
wouldnt u get half from raid?
lusty grotto
likely
lusty grotto
well 3 cause its one whole bullion
dusky canopy
What’s the half bullion currency called
lusty grotto
2 per item
dusky canopy
lusty grotto
yeah dw i get thrown on a loop with it too
week 1 = 1 bullion + 1 spark
week 2 = .5 spark + 1 bullion ( 2 bullion total for item)
week 3 (today) = .5 spark + 1 bullion from raid + 2 bullion from quest
dusky canopy
Surely the intern lets that one slide considering we couldn’t upgrade Lego for 3 days
lusty grotto
lmao
waxen frigate
so it would be 2.5 bullions
Bro what
jagged pier
look okay i just use bulion as a thing when u can buy it
its simpler than 2 bulioons is one item
they should have just treated it like sparks
waxen frigate
They should’ve just not made you get 1 at a time lmao
When things cost 2
It’s so dumb
dusk loom
we play devestate after buffs now or is it not worth it?
waxen frigate
The buffs apply to devastator as well do they not
jagged pier
i mean the buff is for devastator
dusky canopy
You do not ever press the devastate button
I’d uninstall WoW
If it ever comes to that
lol
dusk loom
I explained it poorly. I meant taking instigate as a talent node instead of bloodsurge
or play both maybe
jagged pier
no.
dusky canopy
Bloodsurge is giga value in multi target
dusk loom
also disrupting shout would be on a 45sec cooldown surely right?
edgy cove
Is changes to warrior anything. Or still not even close to being enough?
edgy cove
I hear that the Stam/armor talent isn’t even taken
waxen frigate
Currently no
jagged pier
i mean the answer is VDH needs to be nerfed more for any tank to have a chance
waxen frigate
Hence it being buffed
waxen frigate
i mean the answer is VDH needs to be nerfed more for any tank to have a chance
No we’ll nerf brew damage instead
jagged pier
needed 
lusty grotto
edgy cove
Well doesn’t warrior still suffer from magic and magic dots like crazy
But they didn’t help with that
lusty grotto
no
jagged pier
no
waxen frigate
Not really
lusty grotto
blizzard is smoking crack we dont suffer from that
jagged pier
bad warriors suffer with that
lusty grotto
☝️
waxen frigate
All of warrior’s CDs beyond basic mitigation of shield block are fully effective vs magic
hardy snow
But they didn’t help with that
what you mean, they increase armor on one talent 
edgy cove
So their comments about warrior is irrelevant?
waxen frigate
So their comments about warrior is irrelevant?
All of these patch notes are literally so far out of touch with reality
edgy cove
Sry haven’t play prot in a while thinking of changing to warrior MT
lusty grotto
magic damage is not a problem
waxen frigate
Whoever wrote these and approved them needs to be fired
lusty grotto
rot damage is a problem, but its one for all of tanks
dusky canopy
Chain boss go brrrr
rapid jewel
only real issue are bleeds tbh
edgy cove
So warriors are glib a good spot?
rapid jewel
So warriors are glib a good spot?
if you ignore missing utility, yes
edgy cove
Ya their nerfs were nothing
edgy cove
They need to nerf all sigils and spirit bomb not just soul cleave
grim pilot
Spirit bomb is shit though?
dusky canopy
lusty grotto
you do, just not in top keys
grim pilot
Ye
For aggro
If you ever play those its for aggro
Optimal gameplay is different than pug gameplay ofc
waxen frigate
Spirit bomb is shit though?
?
lusty grotto
spirit bombing is still the best spender for 6+ targets
waxen frigate
It’s not shit lmao
grim pilot
Well ok not shit shit
waxen frigate
Soul cleave depends on target count
waxen frigate
Depends on the dungeon
grim pilot
In mass aoe
You didnt play sb in eb even
Unless u needed the aggro
Because people cant wait
Prio>pad
dusky canopy
Let em die
waxen frigate
You didnt play sb in eb even
Talent breakdown for top 100 EB keys
Some people might’ve not played it outside of the log leaderboards ofc
But lmao
limpid ruin
That’s not fair, you’re using facts
waxen frigate
WCL is being shit on mobile as always but i also skimmed 4 of the 8 dungeons from this season before my whole browser crashed
Lowest SpB pick rate I saw was 87%
I think in azure
dusk fossil
what do you guys think about these changes?
dusk fossil
we're climbing back the tier ladder?
wind berry
I'm looking at the prot warrior talent tree and it feels like a mess. Is that just me or do other people feel the same way. Particularly the stand out is that booming voice is in the second to last row and demoralizing shout is in the third.
waxen frigate
No nothing is changing there
dusk fossil
😛
waxen frigate
I'm looking at the prot warrior talent tree and it feels like a mess. Is that ju...
How is that weird
grim pilot
Some people might’ve not played it outside of the log leaderboards ofc
Yes and I spoke to those people and they explained to me why they didnt play sb
wind berry
For instance, enhancement shaman talents build on each other, increasing power as you invest in it.
waxen frigate
Yes and I spoke to those people and they explained to me why they didnt play sb
But I thought you just didn’t play it
grim pilot
Unless you played 4dps its shit
waxen frigate
Does that mean you should play LR too?
That doesn’t change any of what was said
Lmao
And isn’t relevant
plush tendon
we're climbing back the tier ladder?
Prot war is good and there are melee comps out there doing big keys, however I think bear is a better fit then prot war for those (if looking to min max)
cause War dps is pretty solid and getting druid buff and bres is nice
grim pilot
Either way I gotta hop off for now
waxen frigate
Ok later gamer
plush tendon
watched Critcake slap a AA on Arms
making me want to Arms Warrior... but I dont want to redo the lego
potent anvil
mellow bridge
empty sparrow
Do the Enduring alacrity changes warrant sacrificing another talent for it?
oblique garnet
@mellow bridge 
jagged pier
rigid hull
hmm
jagged pier
well u can but u drop shockwave
rigid hull
what about losing fear?
rigid hull
oh ye
torn gulch
Fear is as powerful as shockwave or even more powerful depending on context
You stop tens of casts with it per dungeon
lusty grotto
this is why blizzard doesnt care about stops
or utility
we have these people that dont talent them at all lol
lusty grotto
bro last week i was doing alt keys
90% of the ret paladins didnt have unbound freedom talented
at least 75% of them DID NOT freedom someone else with it talented
lusty grotto
they dont even know what i said the other day, freedom invalidates like 3 different hard hitting dots
torn gulch
And a lot of this has to do with vdh
urban bane
vdh is the ozempic of wow frfr
torn gulch
In a bad way
torn gulch
I have a feeling wow devs do not realise how damaging is the vdh playstyle to the entire m+ ecosystem
lusty grotto
which is 100% due to vdh
but mages and their defensives is a huge pet peeve
how do you die with 4 defensives
and a cheat death
torn gulch
And they get more in tww if I am not mistaken
waxen frigate
I have a feeling wow devs do not realise how damaging is the vdh playstyle to th...
They don’t know anything
torn gulch
but mages and their defensives is a huge pet peeve
And then you have bm or deva that fall instantly
plush tendon
mages have lots of defensive tools.... but they gotta press their buttons
waxen frigate
As evidenced by these patch notes
lusty grotto
hear me out, i think blizzard is doing good for the casual community, and they should definitely design the game around it, but they cant ignore balance and extremely large gaps between classes in meta, because those eventually spill over to the casuals in the form of getting declined to 2s or 3s for some fucking reason
plush tendon
waxen frigate
hear me out, i think blizzard is doing good for the casual community, and they s...
In what way are these changes good for the casual community
Referring to the whole of .7 class changes
keen iris
now casuals can take cheat death talent. it's awesome
waxen frigate
now casuals can take cheat death talent. it's awesome
The one that doesn’t work 
keen iris
I tested it yesterday. It looks like it does work now. Someone else can experiment and see
limpid ruin
people dont like to press their buttons
My mage still isn’t going to kick for you. That’s vdh work
waxen frigate
I tested it yesterday. It looks like it does work now. Someone else can experi...
That would be very notable @strong forum
rigid hull
urban bane
I tested it yesterday. It looks like it does work now. Someone else can experi...
log link?
rigid hull
which ones better
jagged pier
That would be very notable <@192743144276623360>
not really, like remeber its not a cheat death and in 99% of cases u drop below 30% after the danger just through how the spec works with mitigation
keen iris
I didn't log it, sorry. I just took the talent and went and let various mobs beat on me until I saw it proc.
jagged pier
so its still kinda useless
waxen frigate
not really, like remeber its not a cheat death and in 99% of cases u drop below ...
Yeah but it being not broken
Still notable
waxen frigate
which ones better
Sidearm
urban bane
well, it wasnt broken because it wasnt proccing
jagged pier
noteable perhaps i guess id rather we just dont bring attention to something thats bad
urban bane
so i'd need to see more info before determining if the pre-mit shittiness is fixed
jagged pier
no
keen iris
It was proccing at around 30% every time
jagged pier
it was broken because it procd too early
urban bane
yes
lusty grotto
In what way are these changes good for the casual community
BSV is mostly taken by prot warriors that arent in here, it benefits improper play, doesnt that make sense?
keen iris
like I said, maybe something was wrong with my testing, so someone else should verify
urban bane
gotcha worth seeing again; not that it makes the talent better unfortunately
lusty grotto
as a whole the balancing changes dont benefit the casual community
because they frankly dont give a shit about it
waxen frigate
noteable perhaps i guess id rather we just dont bring attention to something th...
You can say something’s fixed and still bad though
lusty grotto
but there's layers
jagged pier
You can say something’s fixed and still bad though
yer but u see how much ppl jump on a chest death
for literally no reason
waxen frigate
I don’t think BSV would be valuable either way
lusty grotto
yea
jagged pier
they should have removed the talent
waxen frigate
Pseudo cheats are stupid
lusty grotto
I don’t think BSV would be valuable either way
you dont, we dont, but they do
waxen frigate
you dont, we dont, but they do
I mean be real they don’t think
jagged pier
fucking useless for u
shut summit
BSV should be earlier in the tree if they want people to take it prolly
keen iris
people run cheat death trinkets for sure. I would guess for super high keys, it might be useful if it works correctly
lusty grotto
thats true sense
steel stream
What would be the typical "flex" talents to swap out of to pick up Enduring Alacrity and Disrupting Shout?
ionic fern
Drop to 75% HP, proc it.
humble fractal
i assume they wanted it to match purg in its placement
ionic fern
ggwp.
lusty grotto
lmao
ionic fern
BSV should be earlier in the tree if they want people to take it prolly
BSV should be working properly in the first place if they want people to take it.
waxen frigate
people run cheat death trinkets for sure. I would guess for super high keys, it...
BSV also isn’t the same as a cheat death trinket
ionic fern
vocal flame
Does it matter if opening for prot or arms anymore? Not really chasing anything just want tier or a piece i can convert to tier
lusty grotto
it does matter
waxen frigate
Does it matter if opening for prot or arms anymore? Not really chasing anything ...
Do you have weapon and shield
vocal flame
yeah^
waxen frigate
Open arms
vocal flame
ok thanks nish and nim!
shut summit
also if you say BSV is fixed give a log if possible, last i tested it was in march but was still not working properly then
keen iris
Maybe I didn't take big enough hits to proc it early. Who knows. It was just informal testing
patent osprey
So much hope for BSV before DF launched 😦 so sad what it became
ionic fern
also if you say BSV is fixed give a log if possible, last i tested it was in mar...
I just checked a log from 4th of may.
lusty grotto
should be an easy fix, just make it proc on death like every single other fucking cheat death instead of relying on mit calculations
keen iris
I'm not claiming it's fixed. Just that in some random tests I did it seemed to proc at around 30%
be interesting to see what kind of hit triggered it
physical, magical? Was it a huge hit?
shut summit
hot take, stop making cheat death trinkets and just give it to all tanks baseline
it will proc at 30%, the problem is it procs early on big hits that dont take you to 30%
lusty grotto
and thus putting it on cd
ionic fern
lusty grotto
for when you REALLY need it
keen iris
perhaps I didn't take a big enough hit to proc it early
ionic fern
This is a log from yesterday.
I find this part especially hilarious.
Proc BSV at 80% HP.
And then drop low.
jagged pier
waxen frigate
I just checked a log from 4th of may.
Worth checking after reset maybe 
keen iris
The first two procs look correct though
shut summit
yea dont worry its only alpha it will be fixed for launch
keen iris
I wonder what the difference was
waxen frigate
yea dont worry its only alpha it will be fixed for launch
Aware
lusty grotto
we know what the difference is
theyve told you already
it procs based on unmitigated damage
thats it
keen iris
but then why did it proc correctly at 30% the first two times? When those are both also clearly big hits, from the sudden hp drop
lusty grotto
because
glacial skiff
I have a feeling wow devs do not realise how damaging is the vdh playstyle to th...
Tbh VDH play style right now is sort of a symptom of the way dungeons are atm. Too many important casts needing interrupted/stunned and not enough strong utility per member. Plus people enjoy offloading responsibility to 1-2 ppl for M+
urban bane
devs prolly shouldnt try to worry so much to try and bring class fantasy shit into cheat death-like abilities. we dont need interesting flavor there; just want the function
lusty grotto
he didnt have mitigation up?
ionic fern
I wonder what the difference was
Again, it's pre-mitigation.
1.8m hit.
Mitigated to 15k
Proc BSV.
lusty grotto
lul
torn gulch
Tbh VDH play style right now is sort of a symptom of the way dungeons are atm. T...
There is this problem that some trash machine gun casts when they are supposed to go on cd and it s inconsistent accross dungeons
waxen frigate
Tbh VDH play style right now is sort of a symptom of the way dungeons are atm. T...
It’s a lot more than that. Hope this helped.
glacial skiff
It’s a lot more than that. Hope this helped.
They also do superior damage atm too+ 5% magic damage debuff is huge. Besides that? Nah I hit the nail on the head.
waxen frigate
Over 70% parry
And taking less damage than most other tanks when they happen to not parry
Higher hp pool than most tanks
glacial skiff
Actually one more thing, VDH is stupid easy to play at a semi high level.
waxen frigate
And yeah also being braindead simple
oak ivy
And yeah also being braindead simple
i play both but damn you know this is the pwar discord right? Do we have room to talk
glacial skiff
That’s “tuning”, but really looking at their talent tree they have better talent choices. Or choices that can be made, whereas warrior doesn’t really. We have a build. That’s it.
waxen frigate
But vdh is literally just soul cleave ST spirit bomb AOE
vocal flame
a tank is supposed to have a sword and a shield, i will never play another tank class
waxen frigate
use fracture for fury
torn gulch
Ok you re the king of control but at the same time you do insane dps and you re very tanky so what is your weakness
unkempt hazel
waxen frigate
Ok you re the king of control but at the same time you do insane dps and you re ...
Brainrot of the players
torn gulch
Brainrot of the players
True but I am talking mechanic wise
waxen frigate
Vdh does nothing poorly atm
glacial skiff
What’s funny is people claim warrior is easy to play. In raid sure, like you have a simple rotation for damage. For staying alive? I think it’s the most complex of all tank specs.