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grim pilot
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75 is a weird number

plush tendon
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dude, that just does not roll off the tongue

waxen frigate
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Yeah 75 is just weird

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What else has a cooldown like that

dark barn
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I just want gladiator passive because i want to look badass.

velvet knot
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Does anyone have the tldr on how our talent setup changes going forward? I'm guessing we drop battering for enduring and call it a day?

waxen frigate
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Think so

urban bane
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if things like disrupting, sigil of silence, etc. has to stay in fine, but imo remove shit like that from the game period

plush tendon
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I think they are fine to stay

velvet knot
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Taking enduring increases IP/IV/LS/Indom too right?

plush tendon
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you just cant be allowed to spam them

dark barn
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If we drop battering for enduring what we drop for disrupt shout?

velvet knot
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I was running sudden death.

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I dropped that for shout

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Show of force sorry**

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Not sudden death.

grand veldt
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with this tier you just revenge to apply deep wounds

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and to reset SS when TC is down

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If you're looking for a talent to fill for dps you could throw some into bloodborne

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but idk if thats better than enduring

waxen frigate
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Stam whatever

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And the armor also gives strength

velvet knot
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Yeah i'll probably take that then. I'm running with a newer healer at the moment so giving them some breathing room would be nice.

waxen frigate
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Thunderlord is better for that section

velvet knot
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Oh that's the old azerite trait right?

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I remember that.

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It used to be OP af

waxen frigate
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I don’t know

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I started in SL

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It’s demo shout CDR based on thunderclap

velvet knot
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This is my generic all purpose one. Can I get some feedback for it?

lusty grotto
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the old azerite trait

waxen frigate
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Drop disrupting for Thunderlord

lusty grotto
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you mean deafening crash?

grand veldt
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is that buff to devestator relevant?

lusty grotto
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it wasnt thunderlord

waxen frigate
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Bolster is kinda meh

grand veldt
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there's a talent that increases devestator damage by 10% too

velvet knot
lusty grotto
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yes

velvet knot
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What should i drop bolster for?

lusty grotto
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1x DC 3x BoM

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was BFA

velvet knot
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Oh yeah!

waxen frigate
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Also personally I can’t play without improved leap

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But that’s just me

lusty grotto
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i cant either

waxen frigate
velvet knot
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I used to not be able to

velvet knot
waxen frigate
lusty grotto
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oh 🤷

velvet knot
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just prodding the big brains here.

lusty grotto
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theyll get updated

waxen frigate
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But based on earlier discussion it seemed to be drop BR for the haste/stam

lusty grotto
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yeah we will see

dark barn
lusty grotto
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it'll boil down to what sims better

velvet knot
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how /good/ is spellblock? Typically I have so much cc that enemy mobs dont get casts off.

waxen frigate
lusty grotto
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theres no reason not to pick spell block

waxen frigate
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And uninterruptible stuff

dark barn
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Spell block is insane

velvet knot
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could you give me example on what bosses it might be useful for? It has to be targeted at me right?

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I've never used it before so I'm kinda unsure on how to make use of it.

lusty grotto
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sense sheet

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which is pinned

velvet knot
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thanks!

ionic nimbus
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Is there any dungeon where spellblock is not useful? I think it’s a good talent for every dungeon

lusty grotto
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theres none

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there's a use in every dungeon

ionic nimbus
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Yeah I love it

lusty grotto
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we dont have a freehold this time around

waxen frigate
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Bolster isn’t like awful by any means its just worse

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If you’re struggling with SB uptime it can be a crutch

ionic nimbus
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You should not struggle with SN uptime with that much haste the gear gives us in the late state of the expansion

lusty grotto
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pretty much

waxen frigate
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You definitely shouldn’t

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But it’s a crutch

lusty grotto
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there's gonna be some struggle while gearing but

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it wont last too long

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and even then there's the HR option

velvet knot
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My main worry is that i don't think I have the knowledge or muscle memory/timing to use spellblock effectively.

lusty grotto
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so bolster is absolutely not needed

waxen frigate
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Not particularly intense

lusty grotto
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well, do keys a lot, youll learn

velvet knot
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For the most part, I keep IP up, shield block, avoid aoes and focus on crowd control so my dps can tear it up. I haven't... Run into any issues? I do 9's and 10's mostly, nothing more than that.

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Like i'm not dying suddenly to spells.

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My healer says im alot easier to heal than other tanks they heal, but that might just be people flocking to DH fotm

waxen frigate
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Pwarr is probably the sturdiest tank besides VDH right now

velvet knot
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Oh nice.

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I'll try and dabble in spellblock

waxen frigate
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Doing like 12 RLP yesterday my hp bar wasn’t moving much most pulls

dark barn
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My idea for m+. I sacrificed bloodsurge for enduring

velvet knot
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I can't see shit in that

waxen frigate
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And I’m not a particularly good pwarr by my own standards

velvet knot
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It's really not that hard. Just don't kill the dps with frontals ._.

rapid jewel
lusty grotto
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no

velvet knot
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i'll probably stick around 2600ish

lusty grotto
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thats incorrect

dark barn
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Spellblock is huge qol.

lusty grotto
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theres absolutely ZERO reason not to pick spell block

waxen frigate
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Couldn’t heal through unbolstered last miniboss zzz

lusty grotto
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there's no "if you dont plan to push"

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period end of story

bleak breach
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Nice

lusty grotto
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not nice

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garbage changes

velvet knot
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The main issue i'm running into is probably i have no free keybinds for it?

bleak breach
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Why

velvet knot
lusty grotto
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they change nothing

rapid jewel
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if you survive everything without issue, why would you have to add a defense? just to survive better? explain that to me.

waxen frigate
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I was 3rd in external healing

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So yeah pwarr sturdy

lusty grotto
raw parcel
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Are we unfucked, boys?!

lusty grotto
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no

raw parcel
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Oh. 😦

lusty grotto
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nothing changes

bleak breach
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I don’t think we would see major change until TWW now

crystal iris
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Is double time better than a standard 1H max level?

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or not really beacuse you lose mainstat

waxen frigate
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Gholak is hard bis

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For weapon

velvet knot
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thats what i bought with my bullion

lusty grotto
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double time?

velvet knot
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I got mythtrack shield in vault.

crystal iris
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thats not what I asked though

crystal iris
dark barn
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I will still play all my dungeons without huge issues. People accept me for tanking easily because theres like much less guys tanking this season

toxic pewter
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tomorrow we getting 2 bullion calling it now

crystal iris
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lol

waxen frigate
torn gulch
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strike twice has mainstat?

dark barn
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Is just accept me or wait one hour

crystal iris
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holy shit you guys are an echo chamber hahah

torn gulch
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forgestorm does not have mainstat

lusty grotto
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Gholak > Strike Twice > everything

crystal iris
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thanks Nim

torn gulch
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and yes strike twice at 528 is better than a normal weapon at 528

lusty grotto
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strike twice does have a main stat btw

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forgestorm doesnt

bleak breach
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As Nim said, just get Gholak

torn gulch
bleak breach
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I know he asked about strike twice, but we all have 2 bullions now, so just grab Gholak

dark barn
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Yeah. Do the right thing

velvet knot
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we get 2 next week too

undone beacon
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unless you used your bullion on leggo axe and play prot offspec 😄

torn gulch
dark barn
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I cant wait to pick my diurna ring

velvet knot
thin silo
velvet knot
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i have vet ring even though im 508

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i cant get a ring

crystal iris
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I've got 0

lusty grotto
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so raid lfr

velvet knot
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do raids

lusty grotto
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quick wing

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youll get 2

dark barn
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I play arms offspec and now dont have a upgraded leggo, its like the same issue

velvet knot
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make sure its awakened raid

lusty grotto
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i went leggo 1st

bleak breach
lusty grotto
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so

velvet knot
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i got the axe in my last fyrrak kill and i dont even play arms/fury. im worried my ret pally friend will whack me hes been farming for 2 months

lusty grotto
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if i get a gholak in amirdrassil ill get diurna, if not then ill get gholak

bleak breach
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But really it’s S4 and kinda pointless so do whatever you like with them

crystal iris
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whats he talking about 2 more?

lusty grotto
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tomorrow

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we get a weekly quest

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to clear dungeons

torn gulch
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if the quest stays the same

lusty grotto
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you get 2 as a reward

torn gulch
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i have a feeling ti will not

crystal iris
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Ill believe it when I see i t

toxic pewter
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i think upgrading leggo first is better cuz then you can upgrade weapon and shield at reduced cost

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kinda wish i did that

crystal iris
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and ill probably buy chromatic essence or ring before I buy Gholak

bleak breach
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Wouldn’t mind Bullions as some sort of trade for great vault credits as a bit of a fail safe, dunno

lusty grotto
prisma crane
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with bullions also giving cosmetic stuff too, i could see them letting us have a quest for 2

lusty grotto
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thats the ptr version

bleak breach
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Probably make the game too easy if they’re always there

toxic pewter
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is getting a grieftorch over ring tomorrow bad u guys think

crystal iris
lusty grotto
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no

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it depends

toxic pewter
velvet knot
lusty grotto
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like you wouldnt go leggo first if you dont raid

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as arms/fury

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or do keys as arms/fury

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"go leggo" is not 100% true for everybody

crystal iris
toxic pewter
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but I still do play some arms

undone beacon
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I only play Arms when someone else in my group is desperate to tank so I didnt upgrade my leggo. Got a Champ gorehowl if I need to dps

toxic pewter
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like today mythic raid i was arms and i wont lie having weak leggo sucked ass

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all other dudes were owning me hard in dps

plush tendon
lusty grotto
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yeah we will see

undone beacon
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It would be such a better reward than a random piece of heroic gear

lusty grotto
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i mean it makes sense

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bullions/dinars are around

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so just give us the reward we want instead of rng

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but you know its blizzard so that could change

solemn current
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na I like getting a pair of heroic track bracers every time

toxic pewter
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just gotta wait 8 hour tomorrow to find out

undone beacon
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blizzard is the herald of lies and sadness

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they deny survival tuning yet again

lusty grotto
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my reddit reply to the tuning post is getting upvotes i cant believe it

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who would have thought reddit users would upvote reason

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inb4 the sea of meta rerollers come and downvote me (:

velvet knot
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i just tried thunderlord out. Holy shit that's strong.

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taking that from now on.

granite pond
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About halfway through every raid patch, dinar/bullion should come back

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Let people actually play with the gear they want in the patch it’s relevant

dark barn
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Make much more sense to get 2 bullion in quest instead of waiting a month to get a loot, time when you already overkill contents

lusty grotto
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good takes

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cries in never getting augury

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cries in getting heroic rageheart 3 weeks before season ended

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cries in never getting strike twice in s1

waxen frigate
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Since we’re reapplying rend so much

bleak breach
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Yeah, I never got Augury last tier either.

torn gulch
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very strong

toxic pewter
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8 hour maintenance tomorrow

granite pond
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at least 8 you mean

toxic pewter
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Well yeah gonna prob be 12 hour min

crystal iris
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ez just loot it

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1 key later after you guys told me it was better

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lol 4 minutes against training dummies

jagged gust
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"There are some talents that warriors have for protection against these threats, like Disrupting Shout, Bolster, or Battle-Scarred Veteran" Have we already raged about this?

near walrus
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pretty garbage weapon tbh, even my 483 fyrrak weapon does more damage

white umbra
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Enduring alacrity worth taking now? or no changes for talents

zinc iris
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Idk, I imagine EA will be strong in some cases now

icy flax
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Prot buffs how we feeling 🐣

lusty grotto
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nothing changes

icy flax
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More dmg is more dmg

lusty grotto
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no

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nothing changes

icy flax
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?

sick sentinel
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Someone can briefly remind me of what to do in AV? thanks

lusty grotto
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there is no "more dmg"

jagged gust
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If they rolled the shield charge talents in to one we'd be able to copium

near walrus
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nimchip answering the call again lol

lusty grotto
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we lost a big rage gain

thin silo
icy flax
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🦜

high mesa
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I’ll be playing enduring alacrity and disrupting shout after tomorrow. Plus a 5% damage boost on top of that. Pretty good. Would be cool of they fixed BSV

white umbra
lusty grotto
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yeah

near walrus
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most people don't even use BR so we didn't loose anything

white umbra
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I've been dropping it for disrupting shout. was it really that good?

toxic pewter
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Battering ram one of the goat prot warr talents that apparently nobody uses

lusty grotto
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getting one guyd over here

toxic pewter
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I used it and I will miss it

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It’s sad day in prot warr history

lusty grotto
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we all did

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guy is smoking crack

ionic nimbus
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The longer vDH is meta, the more disrupting shout is necessary in pugs. People unlearn to cc and interrupt properly

jagged gust
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I never took it when I first started because keybinds were scary and confusing.

limpid ruin
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It’s been kinda common to drop in keys though I disagree

lusty grotto
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for pushers

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which is a minority

near walrus
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i guess WCL is lying to me when i look at the logs of high key

dark barn
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My plan is to drop bloodsurge to pick enduring in m+. In raid i will probably drop battering ram. My logic is im a tank and will never say no to 10% stamina and armor

lusty grotto
near walrus
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you should then say I, as a user of BR, is sad because i lost something that i like

urban portal
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Shouldn’t drop bloodsurge

limpid ruin
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Even in 10s it’s like 50%-60% taking it. (Which is silly)

near walrus
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i prefer disrupting shout with pugs because most of them don't know what CC and interrupt are so ...

jagged gust
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How would you even drop bloodsurge for EA unless your build is already cooked

south zealot
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what is this

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that isnt this week right

jagged gust
undone beacon
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next week hopefully

south zealot
dark barn
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The other option to drop is disrupt shout but really helps in m+

plush tendon
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What pull do you need disrupting for?

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I feel like its a case by case basis

south zealot
lusty grotto
plush tendon
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or if you have a planned pull

jagged pier
plush tendon
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but like, taking it 100% of the time seems silly

jagged pier
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ppl think it does more than it actually does

near walrus
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you don't need it

south zealot
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you can use disrupting if you want but you literally never need it if your group is trying to time the key

plush tendon
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is realistically just another aoe stop

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that you have to time with casts

south zealot
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just take shockwave if you need

dark barn
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I just feel so much better in pugs with Disrupt

near walrus
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ive ran into so many group who doesn't do shit for CC and interrupt that i have PTSD

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thats why i run disrupting shout lol

south zealot
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i will brick the key before i lose damage overall to get disrupting shout

plush tendon
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what key level are we doing

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and what pulls are you trying to pull off

jagged gust
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That's 90% of pugs, pull what you know you personally can handle

near walrus
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i don't care about the meter

south zealot
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gottem

jagged gust
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GOTTEM

south zealot
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thats a joke if it wasnt obvious

near walrus
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i am bad yes

dark barn
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2% haste can help too. Enduring is just better than bloodsurge now. Change my mind

atomic bronze
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BR nerf is not a loss for me, was already on shout

near walrus
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so bad that idc about a total stranger on a discord lol

urban bane
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I forget, is it possible to sync the stonebois in AV?

keen iris
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yeah, I don't know. Looking through WCL, a lot of the top keys (which are probably some of the people here) are taking disrupting.

south zealot
atomic bronze
undone beacon
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Someone here mentioned Titanic Throw macro'd to Charge and I am going to try this tonight big hype

dark barn
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I dropped battering ram so long ago in m+ because disrupt shout is a very good pug protection

atomic bronze
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Same

gentle gust
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anyone have a potential build for next week?

undone beacon
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drop everything for BSV

south zealot
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also if youre dropping br youre picking up alacrity

atomic bronze
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Disrupting shout Is probably the only talent that actually let us compete in m+

urban bane
jagged pier
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LUL

south zealot
dark barn
bleak breach
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Stuff disrupting shout

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Just shockwave

south zealot
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do not drop bloodsurge

jagged pier
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like nome literally found a log of plka where he used once in an entire dungeon

bleak breach
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Intim shout, whatever you need

south zealot
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dropping bloodsurge feels like shit

jagged pier
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but its the only option

south zealot
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go without jt

keen iris
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but literally, if you look at the top keys with logs, they're all running disruptive shout

south zealot
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it

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gg

bleak breach
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Dr is a waste, I think the only time I can remember taking it was Dathea and Raz prog, maybe for the odd super heavy caster keys

undone beacon
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Is there a world where heavy repercussions gets cut?

south zealot
dark barn
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Explain in what world a random 5 rage proc is better than 10% stamina 10% amor and 2% haste

slate palm
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Distruptive Shout is amazing - Like what is with all the hate? Makes no sense.

south zealot
lusty grotto
slate palm
near walrus
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average player, discussing and comparing themselves to 1percenter, god i love that hahaha

near walrus
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we are all bad

south zealot
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you have 2 aoe stops already

lusty grotto
south zealot
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needing a third in any competent group is pretty fucking rare

near walrus
south zealot
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im washed

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not ce last tier

solemn current
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I think a lot of Disrupting Shout hating people don’t consider that even in relatively high pug keys your pugs are still morons and VDH meta has made them even bigger morons. The dungeons that could make decent use of it is slim but it’s not useless.

onyx hearth
lusty grotto
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yo @dusky canopy did critcake put that title in his video cause of you

bleak breach
atomic bronze
south zealot
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but other people can get those interrupts

solemn current
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But they won’t

south zealot
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with db ring of peace blind paladin blind etc

atomic bronze
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Lol

dark barn
south zealot
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so wipe the key who cares

atomic bronze
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Have you ever did keys in pug?

south zealot
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if your group doesnt want to win, dont carry them to win

bleak breach
atomic bronze
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Try to check recount on how many kicks people do

lusty grotto
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high io keys usually are competent, but yes choco has pugged a lot

keen iris
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yeah, VDH has ruined people. Had a 3k rogue in a group the other day who didn't kick a single time. Or stun. or anything.

south zealot
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youre right ive never pugged

lusty grotto
atomic bronze
dark barn
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I just want to finish my pugs. Not to drop the keys because people dont interrupt

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I pick disrput shout and protect the key from morons

solemn current
bleak breach
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Would be shocked if we lose pure ST dps with the BR nerf. Really weird that one

atomic bronze
bleak breach
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Shocks me the lack of people speccing it

tropic pond
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key is like a temporary toxic bond you must deal with it in that time

fervent gull
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im still lost on what talent they want me to give up for enduring alacrity with these changes, they make it sound like battering ram but hardly anyone ran that anyway

solemn current
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Everyone should have ran it. It was strong as fuck lol

jagged pier
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hardly anyone ran it

lusty grotto
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lets put an end to this topic:

  • on high io settings its more of an emergency button, even in pugs, usually people are more coordinated then
  • on vault keys or low 10s, it can be useful pugging, the same rule still applies if your group is competent.
  • on lower than, idk shit does no damage so it doesnt matter

that's it

south zealot
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battling ram is what you would drop for it

jagged pier
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but u should have been running it

atomic bronze
south zealot
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i carry the group regardless bc im the best player in the game

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but yeah

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for mere mortals, shee

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sure

lusty grotto
fervent gull
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like 20%

lusty grotto
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a key is a group problem

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that needs the group to solve

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yes you can pick disrupting

solemn current
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Why do you think people in high keys are more coordinated? I watched players in 28/29 keys ignoring their kick and letting players die lmao. It’s usually just a bunch of people sending their stop immediately so it’s never their problem.

lusty grotto
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but if you want to fucking do everything by yourself just play an SP game

south zealot
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i carry the group by people saying “wtf prot warrior damage”

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so they lock in to try and beat me

lusty grotto
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Arbiter, those people just dont deserve to time then

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end of story

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quit key, go next

fervent gull
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maybe give up thunderlord for enduring post buffs, losing 4.5 cdr on shout for 10% armor and stam

atomic bronze
south zealot
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okay so go again

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block rogue for being shit

lusty grotto
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☝️

solemn current
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None of those people would have timed it without a VDH then. You can make excuses and justify it with “just brick more keys then” or you can just do what you have to in order to time pug keys.

atomic bronze
south zealot
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if you guys want to run disrupting shout thats fine

dusky canopy
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lolol

south zealot
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you are being unoptimal

lusty grotto
south zealot
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and thats fine

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you will drop bloodsurge for alacrity probably

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itll feel like shit but what else are you gonna do

lusty grotto
solemn current
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“Unoptimal” is a reach if the talent saves even one key or enables a pull otherwise unrealistic for prot warrior.

near walrus
dusky canopy
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Hes offline

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i dont see it lol

lusty grotto
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on youtube

undone beacon
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I'm dropping Devestator for Improved Heroic Throw and forging MY OWN PATH

solemn current
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Bloodsurge is only needed if you would die without it. As good as it feels to have.

dusky canopy
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ARMS OWNS

lusty grotto
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lol ya

dusky canopy
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yes it does

sick sentinel
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VDH owns

dusky canopy
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I dont think thats becuase of me no

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i just say it alot

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and its an emoji in here

lusty grotto
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true

lusty grotto
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thats a max coined term

atomic bronze
south zealot
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play

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okay

lusty grotto
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nextback is a meme here in case you didnt know

south zealot
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im not responding to that

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other than saying being rank 1 io does not make you the best at the spec

solemn current
# south zealot name 1 pull

Have you tried grouping and locking down casters around everbloom in a high fort key without getting obliterated into the floor?

south zealot
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no utility class is dead

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havoc had so much more utility (did more damage at all points in the key regardless of target count)

lusty grotto
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EB is not in this season so that point is moot

solemn current
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If you can’t make an actual argument what is the point in debating it then?

near walrus
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you can't win this @solemn current save yourself some time, they say one thing and then contradict themselves right after that loll

atomic bronze
south zealot
lusty grotto
south zealot
#

but bc he plays with a team

lusty grotto
#

in case you didnt know

south zealot
#

youre taking his talents as godpel

#

gospel

#

you can run disrusptimg shout if you want

#

i already saif this

#

its really not a big deal

#

but its going to feel shitty when you lose bloodsurge

dark barn
#

Bring your tank in m+ with less utility is just insanity play for me. Just doesnt make sense

lusty grotto
#

topic is over

#

leave your ego outside the door

#

theres 0 debating going on here

south zealot
#

here we go

atomic bronze
lusty grotto
#

i mean

#

its true

south zealot
#

have you ever watched him play

atomic bronze
#

Sure mate

lime parcel
#

man I saw the changes and came in here to see some analysis and everyone is just mad 😂

lusty grotto
#

im just surprised you didnt know

#

so im just trying to inform you

south zealot
atomic bronze
#

No, i dont care, i just watch the results. It works, he is #1 right now.

lime parcel
#

^ Obvious bait

keen iris
#

we should just agree that either set of talents is viable depending on who you play with and your play style. It's nice that there are options and not a single "BIS" set of talents.

south zealot
#

well played

south zealot
lusty grotto
#

me getting baited left and right sadge

lime parcel
indigo hemlock
#

Just a quick question as I can't find the info anywhewre, can you block/parry/etc whilst Manic Grieftorch is channeled?

atomic bronze
#

And btw, even if he is carried, that means he is Is not the one deciding for is talents to play, and that means his team asks for disrupt shout

south zealot
#

LMAOOOO

urban bane
south zealot
#

yeah because people know prot warrior talents

lusty grotto
#

lol

south zealot
#

ive been asked to take bsv before

cyan bronze
#

@strong forum as a non prot is prot gonna be meta now

south zealot
#

not doing that shit

lusty grotto
#

same people that say "press IP more to top healing meters"

lime parcel
#

I might if it actually fucking worked

lusty grotto
#

(:

lime parcel
#

BSV I mean

lusty grotto
#

we getting big baited man

south zealot
lusty grotto
#

i feel like goddamn trout

dark barn
#

Blizz did a lot of buffs in prot. And people are angry xan

lusty grotto
#

well

#

cause they werent really buffs

south zealot
#

i dont think anyone here is really angry

#

but yeah

keen iris
#

it's pretty nice. they only nerfed one talent that no one takes

#

and gave us 5% damage

south zealot
#

clearly bait

lusty grotto
#

lmao

lime parcel
#

People in here were only mad because we were getting oneguyed

next pasture
#

5% in ST… lol pretty big in aoe

dark barn
#

Lol they were really good buffs

jagged gust
fathom nymph
#

Boy oh boy how I wish blood dks could argue about class changes like you guys do peepohide

lusty grotto
#

200% out of touch

lime parcel
#

Let's be real, does prot need buffs or does vdh need nerfs

keen iris
#

The #2 prot also uses disrupting shout

south zealot
#

okay but sense takes battling ram

lusty grotto
#

ill post what i posted on reddit

solemn current
# lusty grotto topic is over

lol an argument on the basis that you believe pugs to be more coordinated isn’t an argument but sure. There are plenty of situations of where it’s indeed useless to run but that doesn’t mean it’s always useless in high keys. If anything high keys MAKES it more useful. Most casts don’t matter in weekly keys.

south zealot
#

the talent "noone takes"

lusty grotto
atomic bronze
lusty grotto
#

good

south zealot
#

if i get top 10 io on prot warrior

lusty grotto
#

are you doing rank 1 keys Edu?

south zealot
#

can i tell you disrupting shout isnt good

ionic nimbus
#

Ok DS-guys, what key level are you playing to compare your talents with worldrank players???

keen iris
atomic bronze
#

Hell no, i wish, but still using disrupt shout as better player then me do

south zealot
lusty grotto
#

uh huh

#

well you do you

urban bane
#

Not worldranked... Yet!

south zealot
lusty grotto
#

end of story

lime parcel
#

Was battering ram shit? I'm just a noob who copies builds and both wowhead and icy veins had it in there

south zealot
#

battering ram is good

lusty grotto
#

hey hey hambden thats a good bait

lime parcel
#

I guess I'm confused I thought people in here were calling it bad

ionic nimbus
#

I’m with my namebrother play ds if u want, if u feel better with it but it’s not a must have talent

dusky canopy
#

@lusty grotto bruh you want to know the worst feeling in the world.. looting fyrakk mount and having to give it to the loot council

#

Fml

lusty grotto
#

bruh

keen iris
#

it's a great talent but only 20% of prot wars use it

south zealot
#

imagine thinking warriors are intelligent

lime parcel
#

Ah

lusty tiger
#

?

keen iris
#

oh man, you had to give a mount to loot council? I hope that's a joke

waxen frigate
#

idk i think we were talking about me getting fucked

lime parcel
#

Yeah I once saw someone in here say not taking it was basically throwing

lusty grotto
#

you know who doesnt play Battering Ram?

south zealot
#

wait yeah wtf giving mount to loot council is crazy

#

wtf

lusty grotto
#

Edu doesnt

dusky canopy
#

Yeah I either gave the mount or get booted pretty much how that usually goes

lusty grotto
#

cause nextback doesnt talent it

#

so

#

Edu also doesnt play battering ram

jagged gust
#

How does a loot council mount even work?

keen iris
#

guild master's GF gets first dibs, I think

blazing condor
#

fuck em

ionic nimbus
fathom nymph
lusty grotto
#

pshaw just be the council girlfiend brew

#

ez

atomic bronze
#

Nextback and like all the other warriors in top, but w/e

waxen frigate
#

and you could sell it if you wanted to other people

#

lmao

blazing condor
#

whats even the point of LCing a mount

#

like whats the gain

waxen frigate
lusty karma
#

Epeen

lusty grotto
#

yeah thats so weird

blazing condor
#

besides power trip

waxen frigate
keen iris
#

I knew a guy who pretended to be a girl for like 3 years, just to get loot prio. He just said he was shy to talk in discord

lusty karma
#

It’s not player power so it should probably be a roll

atomic bronze
#

@lusty grotto Keep your BR bud, dont use shout, you better without jt

lusty grotto
#

badge councils

lusty grotto
#

but not because of nextback

waxen frigate
#

one time in ESO i played a female character and i was afk in a tavern or whatever

keen iris
#

when people found out they were pissed because he was hooking up with people goldshire style

waxen frigate
#

and someone thought i was hot so they gave me $100 of store cosmetics

#

i never spoke to them after that day

fathom nymph
waxen frigate
lusty grotto
#

like

waxen frigate
#

i was just like yo whats up

lusty grotto
#

do you even need this channel?

waxen frigate
#

oh thanks for the compliment on my mog

#

(or whatever they called it there)

#

sure ill take gifts

#

kthxbye

south zealot
#

he needs to know the stat prio

lusty grotto
#

hmm

#

well

#

according to rank 1 warriors

#

that'll be

#

Versa > ALL

south zealot
#

VERS

#

WOOOOOO

lusty grotto
#

(:

jagged gust
waxen frigate
#

Speed hard bis

#

but no indestructible sucks

keen iris
#

oh yeah, vers and stamina gems for all your sockets

sick sentinel
#

Mastery > Haste > crit > vers deadge

atomic bronze
south zealot
#

its amazing when i see ppl gem stamina

lusty grotto
#

youre not the first boot licker to come by here though

ionic nimbus
waxen frigate
lusty grotto
#

we have experience with people linking whoever is rank 1 when sense doesnt take the title

keen iris
#

that's how you don't get kicked from pugs when you're undergeared 😄

south zealot
sick sentinel
lusty grotto
#

and case in point its usually memeback

#

its a cowboy rat

atomic bronze
#

Is tom brady #1 r.io for prot Warrior?

keen iris
#

They see you with 800k hp, and boom, they bail

jagged gust
waxen frigate
lusty grotto
#

the most cowboy-est of rats

jagged gust
#

gotta know something about health

fathom nymph
south zealot
#

also by the way, you are fine to run things that are suboptimal

#

literally noone cares

sick sentinel
#

Stats mean shit for tanking, change my mind

atomic bronze
waxen frigate
#

i sadly dont have tom brady's phone number

south zealot
keen iris
#

so I can keep running my champion's spear build?

atomic bronze
lusty grotto
#

yeah idk, people just get mad about their decisions, they need to come in here and tell a bunch of theory crafters and their fanclub (me) that they are wrong to justify their bitch ass decisions

sick sentinel
south zealot
#

stats dont matter

#

got it

jagged gust
lusty grotto
#

just play leech all over, with vers, and dont keep banner up COUGHNERFCOUGH

sick sentinel
#

You said optimal, you can have less than optimal haste and be fine but haste and ilvl > other stats

lusty grotto
#

RANK 1 tank btw

fathom nymph
south zealot
#

god damnit dude

#

i miss banner so much

lusty grotto
#

but do you remember those

keen iris
#

BDK outheals the healers. it's so OP

south zealot
#

and especially seeing people fuck banner up consistently

#

holy moly

#

AND CODEX

lusty grotto
#

NERFTANK AHHHHHHHH

  • cant keep banner up for more than 30% uptime
#

Rank 1 tank btw

ionic nimbus
waxen frigate
#

I'm not a main warrior, I'm here just for the fun of watching you guys argue around class changes 😄 If you guys were playing a abandoned class like BDK you'd be happy to have any changes to discuss at all, so you shouldn't be complaining 🤣

fathom nymph
#

we hate death and decay
DnD playstyle goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

south zealot
#

i remember codex being mathematically proved to be worse in healing and dps and people still thought it was the bis trinket for tanks

lusty grotto
#

I'm not a main warrior, I'm here just for the fun of watching you guys argue around class changes 😄 If you guys were playing a abandoned class like BDK you'd be happy to have any changes to discuss at all, so you shouldn't be complaining 🤣

sick sentinel
#

Since when was BDK abandoned

onyx hearth
#

I'm not a main warrior, I'm here just for the fun of watching you guys argue around class changes 😄 If you guys were playing a abandoned class like BDK you'd be happy to have any changes to discuss at all, so you shouldn't be complaining 🤣

dusky canopy
#

I'm not a main warrior, I'm here just for the fun of watching you guys argue around class changes 😄 If you guys were playing a abandoned class like BDK you'd be happy to have any changes to discuss at all, so you shouldn't be complaining 🤣

undone beacon
#

I'm not a main warrior, I'm here just for the fun of watching you guys argue around class changes 😄 If you guys were playing a abandoned class like BDK you'd be happy to have any changes to discuss at all, so you shouldn't be complaining 🤣

keen iris
jagged gust
south zealot
#

bdk got the first fyrakk leggo

lusty grotto
#

bdks do decent damage at least

#

but yeah they are kind fucked with their 2pc 2pc garbage

grim pilot
#

bdk is bis raid tank

#

and they do really good dam

lusty grotto
#

and that too

grim pilot
#

in keys

lusty grotto
#

#1 raid tank

sick sentinel
#

BDKs are op but i dunno in S4, I miss S2 BDK, I had lots of fun

fathom nymph
#

Our tuning is fine, but our playstyle is ass, fr

grim pilot
#

while I would prefer my class to be bis in m+ over raid

ionic nimbus
sick sentinel
#

When aug released i felt like a true god

grim pilot
#

u cant not mention being bis in raid

lusty grotto
#

true and real

#

myrtu

sick sentinel
#

In brackenhide as BDK with aug i was 2nd dps

south zealot
#

thats becuse you played with shitters

grim pilot
#

current arms is still nothing compared to destro in keys

sick sentinel
#

I pug always true

grim pilot
#

but it slaps so hard in raid

#

I havent said a word

jagged gust
sick sentinel
#

And 99% of the time I am boosting 😦

fathom nymph
#

But my point is that BDK despite being really good for raiding (which is mostly what I do), they're in a pretty bad shape gameplay-wise... The legendary fixed our poor tuning, but it's pretty much an abandoned class in the end, unfortunately

#

While the playstyle of warriors is fun as fuuuuuuuuck

sick sentinel
#

The problem with DK is the other 2 specs suck ass

fathom nymph
#

I do love playing warrior despite being a main BDK for the past 12 years

sick sentinel
#

Frost and unholy feel crazily underwhelming in keys compared to other classes

#

Almost sleep gaming

grim pilot
#

there are some objective ways to point out some things

sick sentinel
lusty grotto
#

i swear to god i will level a bdk on MoP

grim pilot
#

but in general its mostly subjective

hoary cedar
#

Thing about BDK is healers who would rather invite any other tank because they aren't interested in the extra heart attacks

south zealot
#

bdk doesnt give heart attacks

#

they are very simple to heal if you know what youre doing

sick sentinel
#

As a BDK i hate when healers heal me

south zealot
#

if they have runic power, they are fine

#

if they dont have runic power external them

fathom nymph
#

Main problem in BDK is blizzard doubling down on the DnD playstyle even though every fucking BDK hates it...

south zealot
#

if they dont have runic power and are low, they are dying in the next half second

lusty grotto
#

i havent logged on these mongos since finishing mage tower in legion

fathom nymph
#

It just isn't fun, it's counter-intuitive, and for the past years was considered bad rotation

sick sentinel
#

I fucking HATE dnd cleave

hoary cedar
#

Maybe the pugs BDKs I end up with are bad or I'm bad because I hate healing them.

sick sentinel
#

Frost i want to main but dnd cleave and BOS too much BS for me

fathom nymph
#

For BDKs it's worse, we need it for our single target rotation too... And it doesn't synergize well with any other skills in our toolkit

#

It's just like "here, take this haste :D"

hoary cedar
#

I only leave resource bars on for healers and I got enough to worry about

sick sentinel
#

DND sucks ass

south zealot
#

bdk is best for dnd because tanks cant drag it out of your own dnd

#

either way it sucks dick for all of them

lusty grotto
#

heres a tip, dont heal tanks

south zealot
lusty grotto
#

any tank

south zealot
#

you dont track runic power

lusty grotto
#

only heal if there's rot damage

south zealot
#

you should literally never have to look at a bdk the entire key if they play right

fathom nymph
#

Yea, if you want to heal BDKs you just track their RP 🙂 If it's over 50% don't even bother

south zealot
#

or its a super high key in specific situations

fathom nymph
#

If they don't play right, they'll die regardless of anything the healer can do

sick sentinel
fathom nymph
#

other than using an external DR or something

lusty karma
#

Or they’re undergeared significantly. Once they’re geared they’re pretty self serve with exceptions

lusty grotto
#

well yea

#

thats a good point

echo egret
#

Is the frog skip gone for good in AV ?

lusty grotto
#

yes

#

and has been

sick sentinel
lusty grotto
#

you can skip the bottom ring though

hoary cedar
#

Everyone always says don't heal tanks but somehow they are always my top healing target at the end of a key

fathom nymph
#

As a main BDK I don't usually enjoy high keys, I'm mainly a raider (hof last season)... But it's stressful in keys anyways cause you'll die easily and it'll always be your fault and there's nothing that can be done besides "play better noob"

echo egret
#

myeah, skipping the chaotic frog area was worth it, I'm not sure about skipping anything else

lusty grotto
#

you can jump down from top ring

hoary bough
#

ig the only skip available is just doing half a ring and jumping down

lusty grotto
#

into 2nd bosses room

#

skipping the bottom ring altogether

fathom nymph
#

That's why I envy you guys warriors, such a fun playstyle, buttons are meaningful to press, rotation feels good, and you guys are defensive as fuck 😄

#

Too bad tuning fucked you guys over

solemn current
#

Prot warrior is fine. Just VDH is too good.

lusty karma
#

Make D&D an aura that can be toggled between two states, an aura on the player or a ground effect we can place. Basically it follows you or you can put it down if needed and go between the two states. Off would just be right-clicking the buff. Would solve most issues while still giving flexibility.

hoary bough
#

pwarr is the only tank that satisfies my add

lusty grotto
#

deathchip2 coming up on MoP

#

rocking that mage tower appearance

sick sentinel
#

Lets all reroll BDK

lusty grotto
#

you guys convinced me

#

deathchip2 it is

sick sentinel
#

My tank fun is VDH > Brew > Prot > Prot > BDK

fathom nymph
#

Brew is fun too, I agree

hoary bough
#

brew was fun until they bloated it to hell in df

fathom nymph
#

VDH not so much

lusty grotto
#

i cant fucking stand prot pally gameplay

#

not its utility use

lusty karma
lusty grotto
#

thats fine

sick sentinel
#

VDH chains i cant stop using

storm flicker
lusty grotto
#

razing

#

raze raze raze raze raze real fun

lusty karma
#

VDH and Bear are both pretty simple yeah?

fathom nymph
lusty grotto
#

bear is simpler

#

but...

hoary cedar
#

I played VDH and Prot paladin to a little over 3k last season. Im not a great player, but not an awful one. Playing prot warrior feels like its just missing something. Like one really good bit of utility to group mobs or bring in casters would be awesome.

lusty grotto
#

hopefully thatll change with the shapeshifting hero tree

fathom nymph
#

bear is borderline boring to the point you'll fall asleep playing 😴

bleak breach
#

What is the requirements for this quest that comes out for bullions? Is it just the standard do like 4x mythic dungeons or whatever

lusty grotto
#

ya sokraxx

#

the usual quest

bleak breach
#

Nim

lusty grotto
#

tha awarded hero chest

#

err hero raid loot

bleak breach
#

Do we get the 1x bullion from raid aswell or not this week?

fathom nymph
#

Oh, it's confirmed that it'll award another bullion? 😮

lusty grotto
#

not this week

#

next one

#

next week its that quest and a spark

bleak breach
#

Fair enough I guess, but could always hope haha

lusty grotto
#

you should have your 2nd crafted up

lusty karma
#

Next week being tomorrow yeah?

lusty grotto
#

ya

bleak breach
#

Yes

lusty grotto
#

on reset yes

#

so a pretty reward heavy week if the quest goes in like that

#

err you do get 1 bullion from raid yes btw

#

but since you need 2

fathom nymph
#

You'll pretty much have a 525, 522 and 528 guaranteed with all crests next week

lusty grotto
#

you need to wait until the following

fathom nymph
#

pretty big power spike 😄

bleak breach
#

I haven’t done any keys yet lol so need to stock up on myth rank stuff

lusty grotto
#

should be

#

3 bullions next week in total (quest = 2x, raid = 1x)

#

so we should be up to 5

#

but we will see

bleak breach
#

It’s only level 6 keys for wyrm crests isn’t it?

#

Or whatever the myth rank equivalent is

lusty grotto
#

hmm

#

up to 5

#

6 and up are aspects

#

but you can just cap aspects and it'll give you wyrms

hoary bough
bleak breach
#

That’s what I was thinking, aspect. So that’s also myth rank gear in vault yeah?

lusty grotto
#

yes

bleak breach
#

Just a bit confused with the changes. I’ve done 1 +3 key this season and that’s it, low on time and effort.

sick sentinel
#

Boring ass tank

hoary bough
#

tanks is one survey where nobody picks the bear lul

sick sentinel
#

If feral didnt have the stigma behind it i would roll druid honestly

#

But i refuse to play boomy or heal

bleak breach
#

Just play whatever you like. Unless you’re doing top 200 it generally doesn’t matter as long as you play whatever you do well.

chilly brook
#

battering ram change is cringe

lusty grotto
#

indeed

#

it is what it is

keen iris
#

Now we can take cheat death without feeling bad about it

lusty grotto
#

youre late griff

chilly brook
lusty grotto
young wasp
#

I'm really excited to take bsv for sure

chilly brook
young wasp
#

Really gonna change the game up

lusty grotto
chilly brook
#

it won't

lusty grotto
#

ok guys seriously stop memeing

chilly brook
#

Sorry I don't tank much anymore so

#

I don't know who the memers are

young wasp
#

We're prot warriors

#

We're all memers

chilly brook
#

real

lusty grotto
sick sentinel
#

Buff shield slam

stray gazelle
#

What’s the st increase from these buff

#

Seems like massive

lusty grotto
sick sentinel
young wasp
#

Take demo shout off gcd

#

Run and tell that

keen leaf
#

I can get behind that

lusty grotto
#

we used to have off gcd demo 😦

#

i miss it

lusty grotto
#

and also it reset with AM

#

or wait no im thinking about DC again

#

idk im too old

#

brain rotting +10

hoary cedar
#

Healers didnt get that rot damage

lusty grotto
#

oh wait no, AM did reset it

#

i miss you old AM

torn vigil
#

Am I misremembering, or did at some point they say AM was going to affect Ravager in TWW?

lusty grotto
#

i think they did mention it yes

#

or something along those lines

ionic nimbus
#

To be fair old AM with actual ragedump would be insanely great

lusty grotto
#

well we never did not play AM so

#

but at least bolster would get some play if LS was readded to it

#

maybe

#

cause SC exists

ionic nimbus
#

Yeah LS feels dead this expansion except of s2

sick sentinel
#

Aberrus loot is so depressing

lusty grotto
#

you dont like anvil?

#

cause it slaps

sick sentinel
#

I missed last week

#

Grieftorch D:

lusty grotto
#

hmm

#

both are good

young wasp
#

Anvil gaming

lusty grotto
#

anvil is $

#

also TD 2.0

#

aka enduring dreadplates

#

theres like 3 pieces in every raid that are great

young wasp
#

Got mythic track this week. I'm set for the rest of the expansion 🤤

waxen frigate
#

is lightning cudgel purgeable

#

in nok

sick sentinel
#

I got no loot on my DH 😦

lusty grotto
waxen frigate
#

idk ive never had an issue

#

ig therye banned on prot

lusty grotto
#

well i dont pull them at all

#

so i cant remember if it was or not

sick sentinel
lusty grotto
#

k

sick sentinel
#

Post prot dps

waxen frigate
lusty grotto
sick sentinel
waxen frigate
orchid mural
#

Hey all, was trying to find some info on it, but failed.

With the upcoming changes, is it worth to take Enduring Alacrity - and what would you give up for it?

For defensive trinkets, is there a conclusion what could be better: Enduring dreadplates or Fyrakks?

apologize if this has been talked about all day

lusty grotto
#

why are we posting VDH shit

#

in skyhold

waxen frigate
#

second of all

sick sentinel
waxen frigate
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fyrakk's trinket is definitely better defensively i'd say

waxen frigate
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dreadplate is more of a middleground between offensive and defensive

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but they also serve different purposes

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dreadplates is good against lots of small hits, fyrakk can be good against one big hit or lots of small hits

orchid mural
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roger. appreciate!

waxen frigate
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np

orchid mural
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what about that enduring alacrity! so tempting...

waxen frigate
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as for your talent question, if you scroll up there was s ome discussion

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i believe its likely we drop BR for it

valid hinge
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I feel like the warrior changes seem decent, but idk prot warrior is my alt and I don’t really do keys over 26 on it

waxen frigate
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but im waiting on @strong forum to confirm tbh

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i hard trust him

lusty grotto
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nome will update when he has it all TCd

waxen frigate
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stupid nerd is probably asleep rn

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EU zzz

lusty grotto
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this was just announced today, give him a break

orchid mural
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that's what i was thinking ,drop bloodsurge. 2% haste is a lot imo?

waxen frigate
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i dont give nomer breaks i flame him

lusty grotto
waxen frigate
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and in return he gives me protection from archi

waxen frigate
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but then late or mwahi will just thanos snap me anyway eventually

lusty grotto
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thats good

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protection from archi at least

waxen frigate
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was me dming him b ecause i remembered he was someone with a colored name in here

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and we shared servers

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and i was like yo

lusty grotto
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lol

waxen frigate
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can you help me out

orchid mural
jagged gust
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I once saw a nimchipadin in the wild, my group leader refused to invite him then we failed to time the key

waxen frigate
lusty grotto
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😮

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nimchipadin would have helped time it

orchid mural
bleak breach
lusty grotto
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but it is what it is

jagged gust
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Nimchip was worth 2 DPS slots

waxen frigate
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but so is bloodsurge

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and bloodsurge is always good whereas disrupting requires good use

orchid mural
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wife is calling dinner, gotta afk dammit hehe. thx for responses

lusty grotto
bleak breach
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What ilvl you at Nim?

lusty grotto
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on warrior 510

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pally is 515?

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arms is 515

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cause leggo

bleak breach
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I’m lazy so was like 490 when I did heroic, got 100 for ilvl on every fight but couldn’t break 97 overall on most because I’m a noob

waxen frigate
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LMFAO this name

sick sentinel
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Need some prot