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dude, that just does not roll off the tongue
I just want gladiator passive because i want to look badass.
Does anyone have the tldr on how our talent setup changes going forward? I'm guessing we drop battering for enduring and call it a day?
Think so
if things like disrupting, sigil of silence, etc. has to stay in fine, but imo remove shit like that from the game period
I think they are fine to stay
Taking enduring increases IP/IV/LS/Indom too right?
you just cant be allowed to spam them
If we drop battering for enduring what we drop for disrupt shout?
I was running sudden death.
I dropped that for shout
Show of force sorry**
Not sudden death.
with this tier you just revenge to apply deep wounds
and to reset SS when TC is down
If you're looking for a talent to fill for dps you could throw some into bloodborne
but idk if thats better than enduring
Yea because of max hp
Stam whatever
And the armor also gives strength
Yeah i'll probably take that then. I'm running with a newer healer at the moment so giving them some breathing room would be nice.
That’s already not very good
Thunderlord is better for that section
This is my generic all purpose one. Can I get some feedback for it?
the old azerite trait
Drop disrupting for Thunderlord
you mean deafening crash?
is that buff to devestator relevant?
it wasnt thunderlord
Bolster is kinda meh
there's a talent that increases devestator damage by 10% too
oh was that it?
yes
What should i drop bolster for?
Oh yeah!
i cant either
Spellblock in dungeons where it’s good
I used to not be able to
pins have builds
Oh i meant for patchday
Well those haven’t been updated for patch
oh 🤷
just prodding the big brains here.
theyll get updated
But based on earlier discussion it seemed to be drop BR for the haste/stam
yeah we will see
I think disrupt is useful in M+. But not mandatory. I guess we are bad in control packs anyway
it'll boil down to what sims better
how /good/ is spellblock? Typically I have so much cc that enemy mobs dont get casts off.
It’s very good against lots of bosses
theres no reason not to pick spell block
And uninterruptible stuff
Spell block is insane
could you give me example on what bosses it might be useful for? It has to be targeted at me right?
I've never used it before so I'm kinda unsure on how to make use of it.
thanks!
Is there any dungeon where spellblock is not useful? I think it’s a good talent for every dungeon
Yeah I love it
we dont have a freehold this time around
Bolster isn’t like awful by any means its just worse
If you’re struggling with SB uptime it can be a crutch
You should not struggle with SN uptime with that much haste the gear gives us in the late state of the expansion
pretty much
there's gonna be some struggle while gearing but
it wont last too long
and even then there's the HR option
My main worry is that i don't think I have the knowledge or muscle memory/timing to use spellblock effectively.
so bolster is absolutely not needed
It’s a 30sec buff
Not particularly intense
well, do keys a lot, youll learn
For the most part, I keep IP up, shield block, avoid aoes and focus on crowd control so my dps can tear it up. I haven't... Run into any issues? I do 9's and 10's mostly, nothing more than that.
Like i'm not dying suddenly to spells.
My healer says im alot easier to heal than other tanks they heal, but that might just be people flocking to DH fotm
Pwarr is probably the sturdiest tank besides VDH right now
Doing like 12 RLP yesterday my hp bar wasn’t moving much most pulls
My idea for m+. I sacrificed bloodsurge for enduring
I can't see shit in that
And I’m not a particularly good pwarr by my own standards
yeah same i just faceroll the keyboard and collect loot
It's really not that hard. Just don't kill the dps with frontals ._.
if you dont plan to push, SB is not needed in my opinion
no
i'll probably stick around 2600ish
thats incorrect
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XfTQg42h8D97jKkJ#fight=3&type=damage-done&source=1 issue in this key was healer and Dps just not being good lmao
Spellblock is huge qol.
theres absolutely ZERO reason not to pick spell block
Couldn’t heal through unbolstered last miniboss zzz
The main issue i'm running into is probably i have no free keybinds for it?
Why
people really like battering ram
they change nothing
if you survive everything without issue, why would you have to add a defense? just to survive better? explain that to me.
the point is available, you are not making a sacrifice to take Spell block
Are we unfucked, boys?!
no
Oh. 😦
nothing changes
I don’t think we would see major change until TWW now
Is double time better than a standard 1H max level?
or not really beacuse you lose mainstat
thats what i bought with my bullion
double time?
I got mythtrack shield in vault.
thats not what I asked though
sorry strike twice
I will still play all my dungeons without huge issues. People accept me for tanking easily because theres like much less guys tanking this season
tomorrow we getting 2 bullion calling it now
lol
Sim it
strike twice has mainstat?
Is just accept me or wait one hour
holy shit you guys are an echo chamber hahah
forgestorm does not have mainstat
Gholak > Strike Twice > everything
thanks Nim
and yes strike twice at 528 is better than a normal weapon at 528
As Nim said, just get Gholak
he did not ask that
I know he asked about strike twice, but we all have 2 bullions now, so just grab Gholak
Yeah. Do the right thing
we get 2 next week too
unless you used your bullion on leggo axe and play prot offspec 😄
if the ptr dungeon quest remains the same yes
^
I cant wait to pick my diurna ring
TADAA
same
I don't think that word means what you think it means
you got 2 bullions?
I've got 0
so raid lfr
do raids
I play arms offspec and now dont have a upgraded leggo, its like the same issue
make sure its awakened raid
i went leggo 1st
On the upside no one is rolling on Ashkandur so you can get one of those for time being
so
i got the axe in my last fyrrak kill and i dont even play arms/fury. im worried my ret pally friend will whack me hes been farming for 2 months
if i get a gholak in amirdrassil ill get diurna, if not then ill get gholak
But really it’s S4 and kinda pointless so do whatever you like with them
if the quest stays the same
you get 2 as a reward
i have a feeling ti will not
Ill believe it when I see i t
i think upgrading leggo first is better cuz then you can upgrade weapon and shield at reduced cost
kinda wish i did that
and ill probably buy chromatic essence or ring before I buy Gholak
Wouldn’t mind Bullions as some sort of trade for great vault credits as a bit of a fail safe, dunno
with bullions also giving cosmetic stuff too, i could see them letting us have a quest for 2
thats the ptr version
Probably make the game too easy if they’re always there
is getting a grieftorch over ring tomorrow bad u guys think
why didnt you? every site everywhere said upgrade leggo first
dunno I wanted gholak more I guess cuz i mostly tank
im probably gonna go with whispering icon myself
like you wouldnt go leggo first if you dont raid
as arms/fury
or do keys as arms/fury
"go leggo" is not 100% true for everybody
oh that makes sense then
but I still do play some arms
I only play Arms when someone else in my group is desperate to tank so I didnt upgrade my leggo. Got a Champ gorehowl if I need to dps
like today mythic raid i was arms and i wont lie having weak leggo sucked ass
all other dudes were owning me hard in dps
yeah we will see
It would be such a better reward than a random piece of heroic gear
i mean it makes sense
bullions/dinars are around
so just give us the reward we want instead of rng
but you know its blizzard so that could change
na I like getting a pair of heroic track bracers every time
just gotta wait 8 hour tomorrow to find out
my reddit reply to the tuning post is getting upvotes i cant believe it
who would have thought reddit users would upvote reason
inb4 the sea of meta rerollers come and downvote me (:
About halfway through every raid patch, dinar/bullion should come back
Let people actually play with the gear they want in the patch it’s relevant
Make much more sense to get 2 bullion in quest instead of waiting a month to get a loot, time when you already overkill contents
i agree with you once again
good takes
cries in never getting augury
cries in getting heroic rageheart 3 weeks before season ended
cries in never getting strike twice in s1
Yeah it was pretty ehh in most content for a while and then took off with the newer tier
Since we’re reapplying rend so much
Yeah, I never got Augury last tier either.
you get with thunderlord a 20% dr+20% extra damage+rage every ~25s
very strong
8 hour maintenance tomorrow
at least 8 you mean
Well yeah gonna prob be 12 hour min
ez just loot it
1 key later after you guys told me it was better
lol 4 minutes against training dummies
"There are some talents that warriors have for protection against these threats, like Disrupting Shout, Bolster, or Battle-Scarred Veteran" Have we already raged about this?
pretty garbage weapon tbh, even my 483 fyrrak weapon does more damage
Enduring alacrity worth taking now? or no changes for talents
Idk, I imagine EA will be strong in some cases now
Prot buffs how we feeling 🐣
nothing changes
More dmg is more dmg
?
Someone can briefly remind me of what to do in AV? thanks
there is no "more dmg"
If they rolled the shield charge talents in to one we'd be able to 
nimchip answering the call again lol
we lost a big rage gain
Cap bunkers,cap graveyards, kill Balinda, kill Stormpike
🦜
I’ll be playing enduring alacrity and disrupting shout after tomorrow. Plus a 5% damage boost on top of that. Pretty good. Would be cool of they fixed BSV
battering ram nerf?
yeah
most people don't even use BR so we didn't loose anything
I've been dropping it for disrupting shout. was it really that good?
Battering ram one of the goat prot warr talents that apparently nobody uses
??????
getting one guyd over here
The longer vDH is meta, the more disrupting shout is necessary in pugs. People unlearn to cc and interrupt properly
I never took it when I first started because keybinds were scary and confusing.
It’s been kinda common to drop in keys though I disagree
i guess WCL is lying to me when i look at the logs of high key
My plan is to drop bloodsurge to pick enduring in m+. In raid i will probably drop battering ram. My logic is im a tank and will never say no to 10% stamina and armor
maybe you should look at average keys
you should then say I, as a user of BR, is sad because i lost something that i like
Shouldn’t drop bloodsurge
Even in 10s it’s like 50%-60% taking it. (Which is silly)
i prefer disrupting shout with pugs because most of them don't know what CC and interrupt are so ...
How would you even drop bloodsurge for EA unless your build is already cooked
ptr me lad
next week hopefully
me when i make shit up for 0 reason
The other option to drop is disrupt shout but really helps in m+
ok good i didnt wanna go run8 keys today thank fuck
tuesday
or if you have a planned pull
we dont
but like, taking it 100% of the time seems silly
ppl think it does more than it actually does
you don't need it
you can use disrupting if you want but you literally never need it if your group is trying to time the key
just take shockwave if you need
I just feel so much better in pugs with Disrupt
ive ran into so many group who doesn't do shit for CC and interrupt that i have PTSD
thats why i run disrupting shout lol
i will brick the key before i lose damage overall to get disrupting shout
True
That's 90% of pugs, pull what you know you personally can handle
i don't care about the meter
GOTTEM
thats a joke if it wasnt obvious
i am bad yes
2% haste can help too. Enduring is just better than bloodsurge now. Change my mind
BR nerf is not a loss for me, was already on shout
so bad that idc about a total stranger on a discord lol
I forget, is it possible to sync the stonebois in AV?
why
yeah, I don't know. Looking through WCL, a lot of the top keys (which are probably some of the people here) are taking disrupting.
damn km a stranger now
CC is op
Someone here mentioned Titanic Throw macro'd to Charge and I am going to try this tonight big hype
I dropped battering ram so long ago in m+ because disrupt shout is a very good pug protection
Same
anyone have a potential build for next week?
drop everything for BSV
also if youre dropping br youre picking up alacrity
Disrupting shout Is probably the only talent that actually let us compete in m+

LUL
least obvious bait in skyhold
My suggestion is drop battering ram for disrupt shout, drop bloodsurge for enduring
do not drop bloodsurge
like nome literally found a log of plka where he used once in an entire dungeon
Intim shout, whatever you need
dropping bloodsurge feels like shit
but its the only option
go without jt
but literally, if you look at the top keys with logs, they're all running disruptive shout
Dr is a waste, I think the only time I can remember taking it was Dathea and Raz prog, maybe for the odd super heavy caster keys
Is there a world where heavy repercussions gets cut?
yes because the people doing the top keys are the smartest gamers
Explain in what world a random 5 rage proc is better than 10% stamina 10% amor and 2% haste
Distruptive Shout is amazing - Like what is with all the hate? Makes no sense.
its very rare you use it effectively
its still bullion bought cause its one of the 2 highest ilvl rings in th game
Huh?
average player, discussing and comparing themselves to 1percenter, god i love that hahaha
who are you talking about
we are all bad

needing a third in any competent group is pretty fucking rare
im one of them and i don't pretend to be an awesome player like yourself 😛
I think a lot of Disrupting Shout hating people don’t consider that even in relatively high pug keys your pugs are still morons and VDH meta has made them even bigger morons. The dungeons that could make decent use of it is slim but it’s not useless.
I like it too, but I think the hate is because VDH can do a better version of disruptive shout, twice and longer
yo @dusky canopy did critcake put that title in his video cause of you
Sorry wasn’t meaning the ring, was meaning disrupting shout. Just a miss spell
Its not, if you get you interrupt even 2 casts with it during a single fight, its worth
ohhh
look
but other people can get those interrupts
But they won’t
with db ring of peace blind paladin blind etc
Lol
I use disrput shout like on CD in pugs lol
so wipe the key who cares
Have you ever did keys in pug?
if your group doesnt want to win, dont carry them to win
Yep, ring 100% worth it
Try to check recount on how many kicks people do
high io keys usually are competent, but yes choco has pugged a lot
yeah, VDH has ruined people. Had a 3k rogue in a group the other day who didn't kick a single time. Or stun. or anything.
youre right ive never pugged
i hope you mean details
Ye
I just want to finish my pugs. Not to drop the keys because people dont interrupt
I pick disrput shout and protect the key from morons
Gonna spend a lot of time bricking keys if that’s your mentality when you have the option to save it regardless of if you should have to or not
Would be shocked if we lose pure ST dps with the BR nerf. Really weird that one
Same
It just helps ending the key
Shocks me the lack of people speccing it
key is like a temporary toxic bond you must deal with it in that time
im still lost on what talent they want me to give up for enduring alacrity with these changes, they make it sound like battering ram but hardly anyone ran that anyway
Everyone should have ran it. It was strong as fuck lol
hardly anyone ran it
lets put an end to this topic:
- on high io settings its more of an emergency button, even in pugs, usually people are more coordinated then
- on vault keys or low 10s, it can be useful pugging, the same rule still applies if your group is competent.
- on lower than, idk shit does no damage so it doesnt matter
that's it
battling ram is what you would drop for it
but u should have been running it
Mate this is just dumb. You should carry the group in m+ as a tank, or at least try to
i carry the group regardless bc im the best player in the game
but yeah
for mere mortals, shee
sure

like 20%
thats not your job
a key is a group problem
that needs the group to solve
yes you can pick disrupting
Why do you think people in high keys are more coordinated? I watched players in 28/29 keys ignoring their kick and letting players die lmao. It’s usually just a bunch of people sending their stop immediately so it’s never their problem.
but if you want to fucking do everything by yourself just play an SP game
i carry the group by people saying “wtf prot warrior damage”
so they lock in to try and beat me
Arbiter, those people just dont deserve to time then
end of story
quit key, go next
maybe give up thunderlord for enduring post buffs, losing 4.5 cdr on shout for 10% armor and stam
Sure, After that you all wipe because the rog did not kick, and you did not have dis. shout
☝️
None of those people would have timed it without a VDH then. You can make excuses and justify it with “just brick more keys then” or you can just do what you have to in order to time pug keys.
And waste time, sure
if you guys want to run disrupting shout thats fine
I have no idea what was his title?
lolol
you are being unoptimal
check it
and thats fine
you will drop bloodsurge for alacrity probably
itll feel like shit but what else are you gonna do
youre right, they wouldn't, but thats a problem blizzard introduced. Competent players dont really need a VDH, its just easier to have one.
“Unoptimal” is a reach if the talent saves even one key or enables a pull otherwise unrealistic for prot warrior.
you should know better, meter is so much more importanter (joking btw)
on youtube
I'm dropping Devestator for Improved Heroic Throw and forging MY OWN PATH
Bloodsurge is only needed if you would die without it. As good as it feels to have.
ARMS OWNS
lol ya
yes it does
VDH owns
I dont think thats becuase of me no
i just say it alot
and its an emoji in here

true
name 1 pull
thats a max coined term
https://raider.io/characters/eu/hyjal/Nextback?season=season-df-4
Sure buddy
Now tell me #1 prot in the world is unoptimal
nextback is a meme here in case you didnt know
im not responding to that
other than saying being rank 1 io does not make you the best at the spec
Have you tried grouping and locking down casters around everbloom in a high fort key without getting obliterated into the floor?
who the fuck playrd warrior in season 3
no utility class is dead
havoc had so much more utility (did more damage at all points in the key regardless of target count)
EB is not in this season so that point is moot
If you can’t make an actual argument what is the point in debating it then?
you can't win this @solemn current save yourself some time, they say one thing and then contradict themselves right after that loll
I dont care, i dont know the guy, he is just the #1 prot right now
so you dont know him
whos carried by his team
but bc he plays with a team
in case you didnt know
youre taking his talents as godpel
gospel
you can run disrusptimg shout if you want
i already saif this
its really not a big deal
but its going to feel shitty when you lose bloodsurge
Bring your tank in m+ with less utility is just insanity play for me. Just doesnt make sense
#protection message read this
topic is over
leave your ego outside the door
theres 0 debating going on here
utility is a terrible argument in m+
here we go
Says the guy telling the #1 prot in the world is carried in doing +18 keys. Kappa
have you ever watched him play
Sure mate
man I saw the changes and came in here to see some analysis and everyone is just mad 😂
you drop battling ram for enduring alacrity maybe
No, i dont care, i just watch the results. It works, he is #1 right now.
^ Obvious bait
rare good bait
we should just agree that either set of talents is viable depending on who you play with and your play style. It's nice that there are options and not a single "BIS" set of talents.
well played
prot will still be pretty mediocre overall
me getting baited left and right 
Just a quick question as I can't find the info anywhewre, can you block/parry/etc whilst Manic Grieftorch is channeled?
And btw, even if he is carried, that means he is Is not the one deciding for is talents to play, and that means his team asks for disrupt shout
LMAOOOO

yeah because people know prot warrior talents
lol
ive been asked to take bsv before
@strong forum as a non prot is prot gonna be meta now
not doing that shit
same people that say "press IP more to top healing meters"
I might if it actually fucking worked
(:
BSV I mean
we getting big baited man
if only
i feel like goddamn trout
Blizz did a lot of buffs in prot. And people are angry 
clearly bait
lmao
People in here were only mad because we were getting oneguyed
5% in ST… lol pretty big in aoe
Lol they were really good buffs
Their perspective commentary was definitely out of touch which is what upset me
Boy oh boy how I wish blood dks could argue about class changes like you guys do 
200% out of touch
Let's be real, does prot need buffs or does vdh need nerfs
The #2 prot also uses disrupting shout
okay but sense takes battling ram
ill post what i posted on reddit
lol an argument on the basis that you believe pugs to be more coordinated isn’t an argument but sure. There are plenty of situations of where it’s indeed useless to run but that doesn’t mean it’s always useless in high keys. If anything high keys MAKES it more useful. Most casts don’t matter in weekly keys.
the talent "noone takes"
And also, check R.IO for like the top 10 prot warrior. All playing disrupt shout.
good
if i get top 10 io on prot warrior
are you doing rank 1 keys Edu?
can i tell you disrupting shout isnt good
Ok DS-guys, what key level are you playing to compare your talents with worldrank players???
Yes. Get busy.
Some of those players are here
Hell no, i wish, but still using disrupt shout as better player then me do
im better than you and i dont use disrupting shout
end of story
Was battering ram shit? I'm just a noob who copies builds and both wowhead and icy veins had it in there
battering ram is good
hey hey hambden thats a good bait
I guess I'm confused I thought people in here were calling it bad
I’m with my namebrother play ds if u want, if u feel better with it but it’s not a must have talent
@lusty grotto bruh you want to know the worst feeling in the world.. looting fyrakk mount and having to give it to the loot council
Fml
bruh
just gquit pussy
it's a great talent but only 20% of prot wars use it
imagine thinking warriors are intelligent
Ah
?
oh man, you had to give a mount to loot council? I hope that's a joke
idk i think we were talking about me getting fucked
Yeah I once saw someone in here say not taking it was basically throwing
you know who doesnt play Battering Ram?
Edu doesnt
Yeah I either gave the mount or get booted pretty much how that usually goes
How does a loot council mount even work?
guild master's GF gets first dibs, I think
id honestly get booted
fuck em
You could play BR and drop TL, heard things like this today
Well, most guild on my server rank your attendance in raid and then mount goes in ranking order 🙂
Nextback and like all the other warriors in top, but w/e
mount went to whoever got it in my guild
and you could sell it if you wanted to other people
lmao
weird power tripping
Epeen
yeah thats so weird
besides power trip
i mean, ostensibly the mount
I knew a guy who pretended to be a girl for like 3 years, just to get loot prio. He just said he was shy to talk in discord
It’s not player power so it should probably be a roll

i rate the hustle
@lusty grotto Keep your BR bud, dont use shout, you better without jt
badge councils
based
oh i use it
but not because of nextback
one time in ESO i played a female character and i was afk in a tavern or whatever
when people found out they were pissed because he was hooking up with people goldshire style
and someone thought i was hot so they gave me $100 of store cosmetics
i never spoke to them after that day
Here's how I keep track of whoever's turn to get the mount is D: We're taking too long to get everyone's mount because we've been selling fyrakk mounts for the past 3 months already
Lmao
i didnt even like... catfish
also why are you even here if youre taking talent choices from rank 1 key players
like
i was just like yo whats up
do you even need this channel?
oh thanks for the compliment on my mog
(or whatever they called it there)
sure ill take gifts
kthxbye
he needs to know the stat prio
(:
It's Speed > indestructible > Avoidance right?
oh yeah, vers and stamina gems for all your sockets
Mastery > Haste > crit > vers 
Nah, i just came here ti read other dude saying top players are suboptimal for playing Disrupt. shout
its amazing when i see ppl gem stamina
youre not the first boot licker to come by here though
Followed by mastery, that’s why it’s called Keystone Master
tom brady thinks water cures cancer
we have experience with people linking whoever is rank 1 when sense doesnt take the title
that's how you don't get kicked from pugs when you're undergeared 😄
you came here specifically to read what i said about top players not always being the best/most knowledgable
Bro what happened to your pic, Why are you a rat
They see you with 800k hp, and boom, they bail
Well he does poop the spice melange
he might be
the most cowboy-est of rats
gotta know something about health
I mean... Top players in the first few weeks != top players by the end of the season 🤔
also by the way, you are fine to run things that are suboptimal
literally noone cares
Stats mean shit for tanking, change my mind
Then ask him if he plays Disrupt shout
i sadly dont have tom brady's phone number
kind of right kind of wrong
so I can keep running my champion's spear build?
I agree with this, and right now they using Shout
yeah idk, people just get mad about their decisions, they need to come in here and tell a bunch of theory crafters and their fanclub (me) that they are wrong to justify their bitch ass decisions
Aslong as you not stacking mastery and mainly picking haste and ilvl you are gucci
so as long as you prioritize haste (stats) over other stats
stats dont matter
got it
now now, lets not channel too much of that Jordan energy
just play leech all over, with vers, and dont keep banner up COUGHNERFCOUGH
You said optimal, you can have less than optimal haste and be fine but haste and ilvl > other stats
RANK 1 tank btw
I'm not a main warrior, I'm here just for the fun of watching you guys argue around class changes 😄 If you guys were playing a abandoned class like BDK you'd be happy to have any changes to discuss at all, so you shouldn't be complaining 🤣
but do you remember those
BDK outheals the healers. it's so OP
If I want to play a forgotten Specc I will play ele shaman
I'm not a main warrior, I'm here just for the fun of watching you guys argue around class changes 😄 If you guys were playing a abandoned class like BDK you'd be happy to have any changes to discuss at all, so you shouldn't be complaining 🤣
we hate death and decay
DnD playstyle goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
i remember codex being mathematically proved to be worse in healing and dps and people still thought it was the bis trinket for tanks
I'm not a main warrior, I'm here just for the fun of watching you guys argue around class changes 😄 If you guys were playing a abandoned class like BDK you'd be happy to have any changes to discuss at all, so you shouldn't be complaining 🤣
Since when was BDK abandoned
I'm not a main warrior, I'm here just for the fun of watching you guys argue around class changes 😄 If you guys were playing a abandoned class like BDK you'd be happy to have any changes to discuss at all, so you shouldn't be complaining 🤣
I'm not a main warrior, I'm here just for the fun of watching you guys argue around class changes 😄 If you guys were playing a abandoned class like BDK you'd be happy to have any changes to discuss at all, so you shouldn't be complaining 🤣
I'm not a main warrior, I'm here just for the fun of watching you guys argue around class changes 😄 If you guys were playing a abandoned class like BDK you'd be happy to have any changes to discuss at all, so you shouldn't be complaining 🤣
Oh man, ele shaman blasts. They just fall over dead all the time.
Personally I've stopped inviting them to pugs
bdk got the first fyrakk leggo
bdks do decent damage at least
but yeah they are kind fucked with their 2pc 2pc garbage
and that too
in keys
#1 raid tank
BDKs are op but i dunno in S4, I miss S2 BDK, I had lots of fun
Our tuning is fine, but our playstyle is ass, fr
while I would prefer my class to be bis in m+ over raid
Bdk doesnt fit well as prot warr
When aug released i felt like a true god
u cant not mention being bis in raid
In brackenhide as BDK with aug i was 2nd dps
thats becuse you played with shitters
current arms is still nothing compared to destro in keys
I pug always true
Me forgetting this isn't Arms 
And 99% of the time I am boosting 😦
But my point is that BDK despite being really good for raiding (which is mostly what I do), they're in a pretty bad shape gameplay-wise... The legendary fixed our poor tuning, but it's pretty much an abandoned class in the end, unfortunately
While the playstyle of warriors is fun as fuuuuuuuuck
The problem with DK is the other 2 specs suck ass
I do love playing warrior despite being a main BDK for the past 12 years
Frost and unholy feel crazily underwhelming in keys compared to other classes
Almost sleep gaming
u know that playstyle being good or bad is subjective
there are some objective ways to point out some things
Say that to frost DK dnd cleave on sanguine week with a kiting tank
i swear to god i will level a bdk on MoP
but in general its mostly subjective
Thing about BDK is healers who would rather invite any other tank because they aren't interested in the extra heart attacks
bdk doesnt give heart attacks
they are very simple to heal if you know what youre doing
As a BDK i hate when healers heal me
if they have runic power, they are fine
if they dont have runic power external them
Main problem in BDK is blizzard doubling down on the DnD playstyle even though every fucking BDK hates it...
if they dont have runic power and are low, they are dying in the next half second
i havent logged on these mongos since finishing mage tower in legion
Dont forget frost DK
It just isn't fun, it's counter-intuitive, and for the past years was considered bad rotation
I fucking HATE dnd cleave
Maybe the pugs BDKs I end up with are bad or I'm bad because I hate healing them.
Frost i want to main but dnd cleave and BOS too much BS for me
do you track runic power
For BDKs it's worse, we need it for our single target rotation too... And it doesn't synergize well with any other skills in our toolkit
It's just like "here, take this haste :D"
I only leave resource bars on for healers and I got enough to worry about
DND sucks ass
bdk is best for dnd because tanks cant drag it out of your own dnd
either way it sucks dick for all of them
heres a tip, dont heal tanks
thats why you hate healing them
any tank
you dont track runic power
only heal if there's rot damage
you should literally never have to look at a bdk the entire key if they play right
Yea, if you want to heal BDKs you just track their RP 🙂 If it's over 50% don't even bother
or its a super high key in specific situations
If they don't play right, they'll die regardless of anything the healer can do

other than using an external DR or something
Or they’re undergeared significantly. Once they’re geared they’re pretty self serve with exceptions
Is the frog skip gone for good in AV ?
I agree with this, the one thing a BDK needs to learn is not die on pull
you can skip the bottom ring though
Everyone always says don't heal tanks but somehow they are always my top healing target at the end of a key
As a main BDK I don't usually enjoy high keys, I'm mainly a raider (hof last season)... But it's stressful in keys anyways cause you'll die easily and it'll always be your fault and there's nothing that can be done besides "play better noob"
myeah, skipping the chaotic frog area was worth it, I'm not sure about skipping anything else
you can jump down from top ring
ig the only skip available is just doing half a ring and jumping down
That's why I envy you guys warriors, such a fun playstyle, buttons are meaningful to press, rotation feels good, and you guys are defensive as fuck 😄
Too bad tuning fucked you guys over
Prot warrior is fine. Just VDH is too good.
Make D&D an aura that can be toggled between two states, an aura on the player or a ground effect we can place. Basically it follows you or you can put it down if needed and go between the two states. Off would just be right-clicking the buff. Would solve most issues while still giving flexibility.
pwarr is the only tank that satisfies my add
Second this
Lets all reroll BDK
#protection message i was either these 2 or warlock/shaman but
you guys convinced me
deathchip2 it is
My tank fun is VDH > Brew > Prot > Prot > BDK
Brew is fun too, I agree
brew was fun until they bloated it to hell in df
VDH not so much
Yeah also don’t forget aoe stuns that sync all the mobs attack timers, feel like that’s a big reason I sometimes get smacked hard when I was stable
thats fine
VDH chains i cant stop using
where is bear 
VDH and Bear are both pretty simple yeah?
Ugh, tell me about it! It sucks that whever someone AoE CCs a pack, you need to strafe somewhat so mobs don't global you lol
I played VDH and Prot paladin to a little over 3k last season. Im not a great player, but not an awful one. Playing prot warrior feels like its just missing something. Like one really good bit of utility to group mobs or bring in casters would be awesome.
hopefully thatll change with the shapeshifting hero tree
bear is borderline boring to the point you'll fall asleep playing 😴
What is the requirements for this quest that comes out for bullions? Is it just the standard do like 4x mythic dungeons or whatever
Nim
Do we get the 1x bullion from raid aswell or not this week?
Oh, it's confirmed that it'll award another bullion? 😮
Fair enough I guess, but could always hope haha
you should have your 2nd crafted up
Next week being tomorrow yeah?
ya
Yes
on reset yes
so a pretty reward heavy week if the quest goes in like that
err you do get 1 bullion from raid yes btw
but since you need 2
You'll pretty much have a 525, 522 and 528 guaranteed with all crests next week
you need to wait until the following
pretty big power spike 😄
I haven’t done any keys yet lol so need to stock up on myth rank stuff
should be
3 bullions next week in total (quest = 2x, raid = 1x)
so we should be up to 5
but we will see
It’s only level 6 keys for wyrm crests isn’t it?
Or whatever the myth rank equivalent is
hmm
up to 5
6 and up are aspects
but you can just cap aspects and it'll give you wyrms
i feel this, pwarr feels like it's missing one bit of utility, whilst the other tanks feel like they're missing something from the rotation
That’s what I was thinking, aspect. So that’s also myth rank gear in vault yeah?
yes
Just a bit confused with the changes. I’ve done 1 +3 key this season and that’s it, low on time and effort.
Screw bear /spit
Boring ass tank
tanks is one survey where nobody picks the bear lul
If feral didnt have the stigma behind it i would roll druid honestly
But i refuse to play boomy or heal
Just play whatever you like. Unless you’re doing top 200 it generally doesn’t matter as long as you play whatever you do well.
battering ram change is cringe
Now we can take cheat death without feeling bad about it
youre late griff
yes I am but I didn't see a pin

I'm really excited to take bsv for sure
it's not even a cheat death
Really gonna change the game up

it won't
ok guys seriously stop memeing
real

Buff shield slam
uncap thunderclap you mean
Uncap every aoe ability
I can get behind that
and also it reset with AM
or wait no im thinking about DC again
idk im too old
brain rotting +10
Healers didnt get that rot damage
Am I misremembering, or did at some point they say AM was going to affect Ravager in TWW?
To be fair old AM with actual ragedump would be insanely great
well we never did not play AM so
but at least bolster would get some play if LS was readded to it
maybe
cause SC exists
Yeah LS feels dead this expansion except of s2
Aberrus loot is so depressing
anvil is $
also TD 2.0
aka enduring dreadplates
theres like 3 pieces in every raid that are great
Got mythic track this week. I'm set for the rest of the expansion 🤤
I got no loot on my DH 😦
no idea, but why are you pulling those

k
Post prot dps
you have to pull at least 3
ez


Hey all, was trying to find some info on it, but failed.
With the upcoming changes, is it worth to take Enduring Alacrity - and what would you give up for it?
For defensive trinkets, is there a conclusion what could be better: Enduring dreadplates or Fyrakks?
apologize if this has been talked about all day
first of all how dare you have a reasonable question
second of all
Because i can
fyrakk's trinket is definitely better defensively i'd say
Agreed
dreadplate is more of a middleground between offensive and defensive
but they also serve different purposes
dreadplates is good against lots of small hits, fyrakk can be good against one big hit or lots of small hits
roger. appreciate!
np
what about that enduring alacrity! so tempting...
as for your talent question, if you scroll up there was s ome discussion
i believe its likely we drop BR for it
I feel like the warrior changes seem decent, but idk prot warrior is my alt and I don’t really do keys over 26 on it
nome will update when he has it all TCd
this was just announced today, give him a break
that's what i was thinking ,drop bloodsurge. 2% haste is a lot imo?
no
i dont give nomer breaks i flame him

and in return he gives me protection from archi
you cant
yeah thats how we originally met lmao
was me dming him b ecause i remembered he was someone with a colored name in here
and we shared servers
and i was like yo
lol
can you help me out
I once saw a nimchipadin in the wild, my group leader refused to invite him then we failed to time the key
i would play bloodsurge over disrupting
oh wow... i find disrupting very good.
Didn’t even realise it’s not. So that’s why my demo shout into Shield charge macro doesn’t work
but it is what it is
Nimchip was worth 2 DPS slots
it can be
but so is bloodsurge
and bloodsurge is always good whereas disrupting requires good use
wife is calling dinner, gotta afk dammit hehe. thx for responses
lol sometimes, but at least i take unbound freedom and freedom people
What ilvl you at Nim?
I’m lazy so was like 490 when I did heroic, got 100 for ilvl on every fight but couldn’t break 97 overall on most because I’m a noob
LMFAO this name




