protection

[ionic fern]

It's a great defensive AND un-capped offensive trinket.

[lusty grotto]

you can LoS on the pillars around the mound

[sullen gust]

Sweet, thanks dude! Worth the early morning heroic pug

[ionic fern]

Jeah, definitely worth.

[pallid quiver]

imagine getting trinkets from raid

[violet ginkgo]

I have, raid log though, usually raid leader post the log after raid.

[rigid hull]

should i just remove REND from plater as a prot?

theres littrealy no point

u are always thunder clapping anyways

[deft hinge]

yes

[rigid hull]

whats the id cant find it

[deft hinge]

i only track demo shout, but its up to u how much info u want on ur plates

[rigid hull]

yeah

everything except demo feels useeless

[graceful cobalt]

Neltharion's Call to Chaos/Rumbling Ruby/
Enduring Dreadplate Treemouth's Festering Splinter i got wich as combi?
if i want a bit more offens
Treemouth's Festering Splinter+Neltharion's Call to Chaos/Rumbling Ruby

or is Neltharion's Call to Chaos crap becouse of the 5% extra damage we took

[lofty hollow]

is Haste cap still 7100 ? or what are we aiming for this Season

[dusky sentinel]

Word. Or. Imagine getting loot! 3 raids in. I got boots

[olive spoke]

Can report in, Practiced on a lower key. The breath is certainly less range than I originally thought

[ionic fern]

No real "cap", but yes, roughly.

~6500 is already really comfortable for me personally.

[ionic fern]

I'd do Enduring + something. Probably Rumbling.

[pallid quiver]

mwahi where do i send my $20 that i want to slip blizz for trinkets

an enduring dropped during the heroic i did (maybe it was the normal, can't remember) and i lost it to a dead dps who was doing less dps than me while he was alive

it hurt inside

[ionic fern]

Send it to Sense.

He always has wild loot luck, maybe he'll share.

[waxen frigate]

Call to chaos definitely isn’t crap

5% damage isn’t relevant in most situations

I don’t remember how high the uptime is tho

[glacial skiff]

How should one use treemouths trinket? assuming macroing to shield wall/last stand is a bad idea

[torn gulch]

use it as it is on it's own button

you never macro defensive trinkets to any ability

[unkempt hazel]

u dont press every defensive ability in the opening?? /s

[torn gulch]

then die because i don't have any

after

[ember tangle]

it's not about using your defensives in a smart way, it's about getting them on cd so when you die you can say "i used all my defensives"

[waxen frigate]

“One heal”

[torn gulch]

[glacial skiff]

i wish AM reduced cd on shield charge or something. playing vhd then prot warr is like night and day having cds for each pack

cdr on avatar isn't nearly as strong as it used to be in bfa

[waxen frigate]

I mean Ava is like 40-50% uptime

🤷

[glacial skiff]

uptime doesn't matter if effictiveness doesn't make it good?

[waxen frigate]

At least it is for me and I don’t think I’m super good at prot

[glacial skiff]

AKA in BFA it made thunderclap hit HARD, now it just hits like a noodle

[waxen frigate]

I started in SL so I can’t really compare personally

[glacial skiff]

like i can't keep aggro off of good dps without shield charge or thunderous roar off cd

[waxen frigate]

Shockwave helps a lot

[glacial skiff]

on pull that is bc tclap/revenge are weak

[waxen frigate]

Revenge sucks yeah

I wish shield slam just had some sort of cleave like it did with s2 tier

[glacial skiff]

blowing shockwave for that is cringe

[undone beacon]

All our good dps bought grieftorches and now doing keys with them is a nightmare

Every other pull they rip threat right away and die and then get confused

[waxen frigate]

They’re just getting their own resets

5head

[undone beacon]

fr fr ong

Tactical resets

[waxen frigate]

Or revenge being an off-gcd proc-based ability

With a cooldown

Like riposte in swtor if people played that

[undone beacon]

I liked the Bulwark mechanic from wow ascension personally

[waxen frigate]

Haven’t played that

[waxen frigate]

Hmmge

Like a giga dstance

Reminds me of something like breath of sindragosa or bonestorm

Where like it would drain rage constantly in use

[undone beacon]

yeah its basically like a super defensive breath

[waxen frigate]

And you’re fighting to keep it up

Interesting my

Kinda similar to banner from SL too

[undone beacon]

It was pretty fun to leap into a pack and throw up a massive bubble shield

On ascension you have energy AND rage so it didnt drain rage

so youd take talents to buff up energy regen and aim for maximum uptime

I also didnt mind having this haha

[waxen frigate]

That sounds like consecrate

Aka no

[undone beacon]

touche

As long as its just damage without defensiveness tied to it I dont mind as much

[waxen frigate]

I hate all ground effects

[undone beacon]

Also whats the verdict on Blazebinder's Hoof? I managed to nab a hero track one the other day but I felt like it wasn't any more effective than my LFR kurog totem haha

[waxen frigate]

It’s far from bad

But all totem is insane on prot

[undone beacon]

Yeah, I wish I had managed to get my hands on a better one

that'll be my bullion purchase in a few months

Speaking of bullion, whats the likelihood we get two next week?

[rapid jewel]

if the dungeon weekly give two like on ptr, you would get 3 next week.

[undone beacon]

Wait the dungeon weekly gave two? I thought it only gave 1

Thats even better

Next week will be a big week for my ilvl haha

[rapid jewel]

does Hardmode megadungeon give aspect crest?

[dark barn]

Omg

Will be good news

[rapid jewel]

yeah, I want my grieftorch. gonna slap for a while 🙂

[lusty grotto]

yes

its scaled to a 10 so yes

its too bad nobody in NA ever wants to do it though

[tribal wharf]

over here in NA 9/10 of us die to trivial video game mechanics

[lusty grotto]

you mean over here in NA

[tribal wharf]

so, i mean, sure i understand that

[lusty grotto]

[tribal wharf]

hell, i cant consistantly make it through mario 1

[waxen frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/the-return-of-the-king-lord-of-the-rings-ro-tk-title-card-gif-22191928

[tribal wharf]

die to stupid shit, fall in hole typically

[lusty grotto]

[tribal wharf]

any kind of mario or castle vania game, i fall in holes and die, or get swarmed

[lusty grotto]

it be like that sometimes

[tribal wharf]

thats always how i die, if its i didnt like not try for lack of a better term

[waxen frigate]

Like LFR Sylvanas

[lusty grotto]

true and real

or even raz

[waxen frigate]

Yep

[tribal wharf]

WTF even was this fight i had vs frankenstien. even i know this was horrible.

i dont know exactly how to kill the frankenstien just yet "beside just dps him bro" i was more worried of the monkey shootin fireballs

i grew up in that era, but i never played alot of them, figure would like to beat a bunch of them.

[undone beacon]

Am I trolling by crafting the Haste pants instead of a shadowflame patch?

[waxen frigate]

Trolling no

[undone beacon]

I'd be using the vers wrists and the haste pants, I dont really raid tank so its m+ focused

[waxen frigate]

But I wouldn’t

[undone beacon]

why not?

[rapid jewel]

shadowflame is simply stronger

especially this season, where we have secondary stats in abundance

[undone beacon]

And I guess shadowflame procs the vault rings too which helps

[waxen frigate]

Yeah

[undone beacon]

I already crafted 525 Allied Wristguards so I'm sticking with those but

[rapid jewel]

yeah but helm enchant, weapon and a lot of trinkets do also.

[undone beacon]

Its been a tossup between haste pants and shadowflame belt

I do enjoy basically ripping a mini-lust everytime I pull a pack haha

[waxen frigate]

I mean craft what you want it really won’t make a massive diff

[undone beacon]

yuhh

I need to go grind keys in the 1-5 range for more wyrm crests ugh

Or I guess do more 6+s to cap on aspects and have them roll over

[toxic pewter]

word on the street we may get 2 bullions tomorrow from dungeon quest

[undone beacon]

new prot tuning?

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/us-en/1846788-dragonflight-class-tuning-incoming-may-7/

Developers’ notes: Our goal for these changes is to reduce Protection Warrior deaths to the dangers that are most likely to kill them, like burst or magic damage. There are some talents that warriors have for protection against these threats, like Disrupting Shout, Bolster, or Battle-Scarred Veteran, but it can be difficult to find the talent points for them. To provide more build flexibility we are reducing the power of the Battering Ram talent and moving its damage and defensive benefits into core abilities. We’re also increasing damage across the board and buffing some defensive talent options.

All ability damage increased by 5%.
Devastator damage increased by 30%.
Ignore Pain healing increased by 6%.
Disrupting Shout’s cooldown reduced to 75 seconds (was 90 seconds).
Enduring Alacrity increases Stamina and Armor by 10% (was 5%) and Haste by 2% (was 1%).
Battering Ram now increases your auto-attack damage and speed by 10% for 20 seconds (was 20%).

[tribal wharf]

nerfed battering ram though

ram man is sad

[toxic pewter]

noooo my batterin ram 😦

still awesome getting some tuning at least

[torn gulch]

BUFFA

[undone beacon]

Does this actually have the intended effect of freeing up that point or nah?

[tribal wharf]

no idea why they are nerfing attack speed for us, unless its like, gholak related nerf reasoning

[plush tendon]

the fuck blizz

[hardy snow]

Ok, they mentioned Battle-scarred veteran as our defensive tool

[plush tendon]

bolster aint used

[hardy snow]

it means ppl working on prot warr have no idea what are they doing

we are doomed af

[plush tendon]

and Battle-scarred doesnt work

[toxic pewter]

pretty hillarious they mentioned battle-scarred veteren lmao

[tribal wharf]

bolster is insane when it can see play

[undone beacon]

please no dooming i already play survival hunter

literally not even mentioned

[hardy snow]

It's like some newly hired person had to write something about prot warrior, they look at tree, see tooltip and went like "oh, thats cool defensive option"

[toxic pewter]

enduring alacrity buff is interesting but wonder if it will change if we can take it

[glacial skiff]

10% stam is 10% IP buff sorta in a way

[tribal wharf]

5% more hp armor and 1% more haste is an improvement

[torn gulch]

disrupting shout shoudl've been 60s

[rapid jewel]

people working on warry are desperatly trying to fix things with number tuning. They have no idea about our real issues.

[glacial skiff]

i'm considering removing bloodsurge for it

[torn gulch]

75 is a weird number

[hardy snow]

exactly, and thats the biggest issue, you cant fix something, if you dont know where its broken

[tribal wharf]

Devastator damage increased by 30%.

[glacial skiff]

or maybe focused vigor? idk feels like that talent should be moved up

[tribal wharf]

i think this we could be over looking, i mean i dont think devestator, even when you do the build, does alot of dmg so 30% maybe not so much dmg, could be

[rapid jewel]

dagger time? 🤔

[hardy snow]

I just wonder if 2% haste will be better over battering ram now XD

[toxic pewter]

yah but remember we also get str from armor so 10% armor is nothin to sneeze at

[tribal wharf]

seems like something you'd use with mountain king hero talents to proc more rng on melee dmg effects, fire and electric mostly

bleeds

[glacial skiff]

most ppl aren't using battering ram anyway this season, we're using the shout interrupt instead :/

[toxic pewter]

kinda weird they targeted battering ram lol

but OK i guess..

[undone beacon]

im sure it had something to do with everyone having Gholak

[hardy snow]

they mention magic dmg in note, and increase armor on enduring alacrity 🤷‍♂️

[crystal iris]

People are running Disrupting shout?

[undone beacon]

They should just give us the magic damage reduction node thats in alpha, but rn

[rapid jewel]

true in m+, not in raid.

[crystal iris]

last season this disc thought I was nuts for wanting to run it lol

[ionic nimbus]

15 sec less cd for disrupting shout, big

[glacial skiff]

yeah sorry meant to mention that xd

[crystal iris]

is it tho

[toxic pewter]

are the vdh nerfs even anything

[crystal iris]

yeah

[glacial skiff]

no, should be 60s

[torn gulch]

tbh with so many dps being idiots this season you'll have to use it even more

[plush tendon]

for sure a nerf to their sigil control

[ionic nimbus]

some number buffs, i am happy ... i did not expect any buffs in fated

[glacial skiff]

not REALLY, they'll still be superior

[plush tendon]

+30 seconds on silence

[crystal iris]

VDH nerfs means they will actually have to learn the dungeons now

[rapid jewel]

I personally hate that talent. Its just another tuning knop for them.

[toxic pewter]

just silence though?

[plush tendon]

reduced CDR and duration

[crystal iris]

instead of just locking down every pack

[torn gulch]

they did not touch illuminated sigils

[toxic pewter]

still have 2 charges lol

[ionic nimbus]

vDH will stay the best, but its not braindead anymore

[crystal iris]

ya

[rigid hull]

bros which weapon is better "strike twice" or "forgestorm"

[crystal iris]

the pug ones just throw out silence left and right and pretent the pack doesnt have mechanics

[undone beacon]

its something at least to help with magic damage

[torn gulch]

gholak

[plush tendon]

most likley you wont get a third of fourth silence sigil in a pack

[toxic pewter]

fair enough I guess

[undone beacon]

Gholak

[ionic nimbus]

forgestorm is only good for raiding, in m+ the lack of stats is not good

[vestal moat]

some buffs are better than nothing

[plush tendon]

so youll have to be much smarter about it

[crystal iris]

I think disrupting should could use a re-work personally

[plush tendon]

it also wont came back as fast

[toxic pewter]

still would like them to just revert double sigil on utility ones at least 😛

[vestal moat]

@strong forum Need TC on numbers for these buffs plz

[tribal wharf]

honestly though, im turning half way into retro gaming andy, i want to spend time collecting those consoles im after and then i'll come back to wow at some point, been playing all sorts of not world of warcraft games.
TLDR; shits expensive, complicated and time consuming, so, whenever i get what i want there, i will get back to wow

[plush tendon]

since 3 second -> 2 seconds on CDR is substantial

[vestal moat]

WHy did they nerf brew

[ionic nimbus]

we could not expect a complete rework, this changes are more than expected^^

[plush tendon]

I just cant get over how blizz quotes fucking battle scarred veteran as a viable talent

fucking wild

[toxic pewter]

brew damage has been high for a long time iirc

[keen iris]

it's weird they mention vulnerability to burst magic damage and lack of talent points as issues, and then didn't do anything to address either of those problems

[crystal iris]

like having it tied to mass taunt is a bit annoying, meaning youll use it sometimes just to get threat and not interrupt. Also if some pug decides to stun the whole pack right as you hit disrupting shout, it does ZERO lol

[rigid hull]

im only doing m+ and i have

u sure i should use strike twice

[ionic nimbus]

they said, that there are talents to prevent this dmg and with dmg buffs we should feel free to pick surviving talents

[toxic pewter]

they use ignore pain to cover that lol

[rapid jewel]

Yeah it was nuts. To have the same impact we would have needed a 2 charge disrupting shout that is affected by AM.

[torn gulch]

you go lfr and you get gholak with bullions

[vestal moat]

and they actually buffed Destro. what in the actual

[toxic pewter]

just glad to see some tuning I swear I had read that there would be tuning just happy they followed through with some

I even asked the other day like wheres the tuning at lol

[ionic nimbus]

problem is, that destro is fkn garbage in casual keys, for the highpushers this buff is stonks.. for the casual gamer is good

[hardy snow]

And I love how unintuitive is their description of change to IP.
"healing increased by 6%", sooo...

1. IP isn't a heal, its an abosrb
2. does it increasae amount of ip we get per cast or does it increase % it absorbs (50%)?

[toxic pewter]

50% will prob remain the same

just the overall amount it can absorb going up

[vestal moat]

They had the same ambiguous wording when they gave 5% IP buff a few months back. It will be a buff to the size of the shield per cast.

[plush tendon]

just ST, which is good

[hardy snow]

yea, but will it be just total? or just per cast? or per cast and because of that total? who knows XD

[plush tendon]

obviously aoe monsters

but ST.... meh

[crystal iris]

i think the cap is based on the per cast amount

[rigid hull]

ye but lets say i dont have that one

[toxic pewter]

the ip cap will prob remain the same

i forget what it is these days

[vestal moat]

Per cast. If IP gave you 100k shield ibefore it will be 106k now. The cap is based on your HP. WHich is also increasing due to the other buff.

[hardy snow]

its based on our HP as far as I remember

[vestal moat]

THe cap is 30% max hp.

[toxic pewter]

ya

[ionic nimbus]

when dungeonweeklyq stays the same as it was at ptr, you can buy it with reset

[undone beacon]

its super easy to get, with the bullion system you'll have one in no time that can be upgraded past m+ loot

If you spent your bullions already, its likely next week will give extra with the dungeon event

[rigid hull]

i see

[undone beacon]

its overall a better investment, and just a better weapon than the other options

[torn gulch]

you can go lfr and get bullions

[undone beacon]

If you absolutely refuse to get Gholak, then Strike Twice would be preferable because of the stats

[torn gulch]

if you don't want to raid

[patent osprey]

We back??

[torn gulch]

that is what i do

[drifting socket]

against these threats, like Disrupting Shout, Bolster, or* Battle-Scarred Veteran*, but it can be difficult to find the talent points for them
how about fix battle-scarred veteran first lol

[torn gulch]

not really

[hardy snow]

Nope, developers doesnt understand issues prot warrior have

[glacial skiff]

ok looking at the amount of rage gained through the course of a dungeon through bloodsurge, i am not sure you can just give that up for enduring alcarity

[ionic fern]

Aight, who made a sacrifice for Blizzard?

[glacial skiff]

for example a 8 halls run i did earlier

[jagged pier]

literally no one

cause it dont change much

buffs a talent we dont use

or still wont use

[glacial skiff]

i do feel like we definitely wanna take enduring alcarity though with the change, somehow

[jagged pier]

what u dropping for it?

[glacial skiff]

i don't like to suggest losing 5% strength, but maybe focused vigor?

[jagged pier]

nope

[undone beacon]

Just drop battering ram, that’s clearly what papa blizz wants you to do

[cinder nova]

Why do you think they ignore the people who play the class?

[analog lantern]

holy shit prot changes

[jagged pier]

no because ppl already drop BR for disruptng shout

[glacial skiff]

i've already dropped battering ram for my M+ build

[jagged pier]

see

[undone beacon]

Oh damn true

[jagged pier]

so pick something else

[shut summit]

[glacial skiff]

what i'm running now, but considering fbv instead of brv

[rapid jewel]

champions wulwark with enough haste?

[rugged mural]

Can we drop Enduring Defenses?

[glacial skiff]

mainly to give 2 different versions of "heal" per blizz. with the change to IP though i might continue sticking with brv

[jagged pier]

differnt tier of talent

so no

[final mist]

We used to pray for times like these

[jagged pier]

not really u only running 2 block talents with the haste we have atm u drop another no more 100% SB

[analog lantern]

reducing the CD of disrupting shout, fuck yes. It's 15s but I'll take anything at this point x(

[lusty juniper]

are there any chase trinktes from abberus for prot warrior atm?

[jagged pier]

and then ppl will need to track SB again and none of u are used to it anymore C:

[ionic fern]

Hi Sal, hope you're doing good.

[ionic fern]

I knew it.

[glacial skiff]

maybe this?

[rapid jewel]

they could have been affected by AM, that would have been nice

[glacial skiff]

i don't like the idea of weakening shield charge tho

[analog lantern]

that would be giga

[signal plover]

😉

[torn gulch]

i always track it

[final mist]

I'm great, hope everyone here is doing good as well! 😄

[jagged pier]

no point taking SC now

[ashen crag]

Why does prot warrior has so many dmg increasing talents?
Is it some passive thing, that we survive better if we do more dmg?

[jagged pier]

and u loose 15% haste

well 13%

i guess

[jagged pier]

because living was never an issue

[zinc iris]

Pwar buffs!

[glacial skiff]

well in best scenario, i don't always have all 5x into the fray buffs

[torn gulch]

in m+ you always have 5x

[glacial skiff]

They shoudld just remove dance of death, make it hurricane like fury

[glacial skiff]

not if you are fighting a boss xd

[ionic nimbus]

CDR at Ravager would be great ...^^

[torn gulch]

it works on allies

[glacial skiff]

without adds

[vestal moat]

Does the enduring alacrity talent give us more strength through armored to the teeth?

[glacial skiff]

its proximity based

[analog lantern]

BM damage being nerfed lul

[vestal moat]

So 5% more armor should be a fair bit more str if so.;

[glacial skiff]

do you think all the monkeys i pug with are playing for my itf buff? nah

[dark barn]

I always track everything luxthos weak aura tracks. So i track shield block and ignore pain

[patent osprey]

You know im kinda down for these changes. They are a big QOL for high keys

[final mist]

Yeah they're huge

[patent osprey]

More dam, even though it won't make that much of a diffy. We LOVE disrupting shout 🙂 and free 1% haste

If yall don't like the direction, yall are doomers 🙂

[torn gulch]

would've loved it more if it was 60

[final mist]

The Devastator buff is deceptively huge too

[ionic nimbus]

except of the stamina talent, the changes r good .. but this talent is on a dead position ... they had other options for flat % buffs..

[glacial skiff]

You think enduring alcarity is a must have with the buff to it? if so which talent would you give up?

[patent osprey]

so we just want to be a VDH then LOL

[ionic fern]

Direction of what? Nothing drastically changed.

[dark barn]

Im happy with the changes. But will be happier if DH suffers more

[ionic fern]

Biggest buffs this time around are the VDH nerfs.

[dire sparrow]

hahaha

[vestal moat]

My wish list was ONE THING to deal with EITHER afflicted OR incorporeal. Some tanks have both and most have at least 1

[rapid jewel]

with the devastator buff, do we take instigate now for ST?

[patent osprey]

this type of playstyle of VDHs doing everything is something that needs to be taken away. That gameplay makes people lazy and do no contribution outside of dam

[glacial skiff]

Doesn't change community perception though, and THAT'S what matters most sadly.

[torn gulch]

true

[patent osprey]

VDH nerfs and Prot war buffs are directional trends 🙂

IT MEANS SOMEONE was assigned to work on us

[dark barn]

We will actually do damage with this buffs? my damage was so low :/

[patent osprey]

Thats a +

[patent osprey]

not significant enough for you to notice

but if the highend gets pulled down, you will feel less bad about ur dam

[jagged pier]

i mean if your damage is low thats a you problem more than a class problem

[glacial skiff]

I don't disagree as a whole, but I do wish more classes had agency over doing x or y, vs needing a specific person. Maybe just dps warrior woes

[jagged pier]

WF even now more dumb for prot tho

[ionic fern]

Yes. but the % is really small.

[patent osprey]

ye, but I think that is a bit of a Gameplay error in needing so many stops and DR. Also needing Hard cc for incorp and dispel for affliction just make dps warrior effectively useless

[rapid jewel]

yeah the amount of needed kicks is balooning out of control to be honest.

[ionic nimbus]

Biggest wish for our shout would be a true silence, not this aoe sniper silent

[analog lantern]

agreed. you can tell that other people are not prepared to use stops or interrupts or anything when you pug

they're spoiled by DH

[torn gulch]

i'll get around 2% strenght on wednesday with enduring

[cinder nova]

I kinda just want them to make changes in-line with actual pain points of the spec instead of shotgunning mild buffs across the table.

Like, I don't think anyone is gonna say no to free buffs.

[torn gulch]

so you get 10% stam, 10% armor around 1.5-2% strenght at 510 ilvl and 2% haste

[runic herald]

Grats on the buff, kings

[dark barn]

People dont interrupt in my pugs in majority of time, but they always interrupt when i cast spell reflect

[glacial skiff]

Unfortunately there likely won't be changes like that until TWW

[analog lantern]

T R U E

[vestal moat]

Very good talent now but what do we give up if we want disrupting shout also.

[keen iris]

I don't normally take BSV, but I had no idea it was broken. What's the bug with it? Just doesn't go off?

[rapid jewel]

I know that feeling

[analog lantern]

and then when SR isn't up, they don't interrupt

[torn gulch]

we give up the class

kekw

[lean flower]

I mean the only good thing about our aoe kick is, it works on mobs that you can’t cc or silence sigil compared to DHs. BUTTTTTT long cd haha, the time cooldown going down is okay I guess?? But why not more lmao!

[keen iris]

disrupting shout is really mandatory when you pug

[patent osprey]

I mean disrupting shout is a pain point. Its nice to have more Utility + control. We have threat issues at the start of pulls, so its nice ot get slight damage buffs. They can't just be like, oh well prot war should have no weakness or buff our dam to top of the rankings.

There are things that can be done to be more helpful, but we do have our niche strengths.

Like have you guys seen tanks esp pug tanks just die in AV on tyran? Like if ur a prot war, ur just pogging out

[runic herald]

Is Enduring Alacrity worth taking now? What would you drop to take it? In M+, at least

[silk sandal]

is battle-scarred veteran still unusable? I remember way back in the early days of the expansion it procced based on if a hit would put you below its threshold pre-mitigation. Is this still true?

[patent osprey]

TBH, we were already getting distrupting shout on every pack in high keys, are almost every pack. This change makes it so you have Disrupting every pull. Which is amazing for grouping and threat. Its big

[dark barn]

I can only think in drop thunderlord to use enduring alacrity, if it worth it

[jagged pier]

u cant

its a different tier of talent

[analog lantern]

actually motivated to push again as prot this season again 👀

[glacial skiff]

You can definitely drop thunderlord if taking disrupting shout 🙂

[jagged pier]

u can

[runic herald]

You can drop Thunderlord for Enduring Alacrity

[dark barn]

yes we can

[lean flower]

Would be nice if they also increased our threat generation too ;__;

[jagged pier]

thats only if your not running BR already

[high mesa]

I believe it procs based off of pre-mitigated damage. So it’ll proc when you’re at like 80% health and is wasted. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.

[patent osprey]

ye but having disrupting every pull, kinda really helps that

[jagged pier]

so what u actual did

[dark barn]

@jagged pier

[jagged pier]

was drop BR for it

not TLs

[hardy snow]

In theory it is, in practice - if you dropped battering ram (thats alacrity tier) for disrupting shout, you still can drop thunderlord

[keen iris]

Oh, that really sucks...

[patent osprey]

Thunderlord too good for damage reduction.

[hardy snow]

or you can call it drop thunderlord for disrupting, and battering for alacrity, output is the same

[glacial skiff]

butttt doesn't booming kinda loose value? idk demo shout is kind of in a weird spot, because i feel like it's not as worthwhile of a button on gcd vs previous expansions.

[lean flower]

I didn’t use BR Before so works for me xd

[ionic nimbus]

Dropping Thunderlord feels definitely wrong

[glacial skiff]

Which can probably cause some of the issues prot war has with snap threat

[dark barn]

i dropped that

[lean flower]

Yeah I’m not dropping TL

[jagged pier]

no u didnt

it might have been the one u removed

[dark barn]

'-'

[violet flume]

with the tier set you pump out so many thunderclaps thats like endless demoshout

[jagged pier]

but u already dropped a tier talent which matches the tier talent of enduring

[hardy snow]

I will try out dropping battering ram, as I'm not using dis shout anyway 🤷‍♂️
But Im more curious if this 2% haste is worth to take in raid now.

[rapid jewel]

Why the hell is the range for shout on thunderlord. It makes 0 sense

[runic herald]

Is violent outburst really worth it?

[jagged pier]

yes

[ionic nimbus]

Outburst is insanely good

[urban bane]

maybe this means they fixed BSV, but that's waaay optimistic

[near walrus]

what would be your go to build @jagged pier with the changed annouced ?

[jagged pier]

literally wouldnt change it

🤷

[dark barn]

I need to think if 10% stamina and armor and 2% haste could be better than thunderlord in keys.

[glacial skiff]

i thought BSV just sucked, which part of it didn't work?

[lean flower]

https://tenor.com/view/hell-nah-hell-naw-oh-hell-naww-dog-gif-9009732769714372825

[glacial skiff]

the dmg reduc or the healing gained?

[ionic nimbus]

Demo shout is not only physical Dmg reduction, also Rage and dmg buff

[lean flower]

Correct

[rapid jewel]

It is kinda sad when only 1 out of 5 "last row" talents are played in m+ and the developer things: This is fine.

[urban bane]

It procs based off of pre-mitigated values and other stuff. Basically procs when you don't need it

it is in effect just a random dr so not really fulfilling the intent of "saving you when you need it"

[strong forum]

Also often times when you drop to 30% is when the danger is already over

[glacial skiff]

Ok, so it works but isn't designed well within prot warrior gameplay then?

[strong forum]

But also, with the nerf to BR i could see enduring alacrity being a dps gain

10% armor and 2% haste is alot of value

[glacial skiff]

and also 10% stam

xd

[urban bane]

no it doesnt work and yes it isnt designed well

[karmic plinth]

presumably wed get some strength out of that too no from armoured to the teeth

[strong forum]

We do

[karmic plinth]

like 0.4% (wow huge)

[toxic pewter]

ill take it

the talent is very valuable

[keen glade]

So basically how I read this atm, Battering Ram point goes into Enduring Alacrity. And bloodsurge is still the point to flex off if you want to pretend to have silence sigil with disrupting shout

[grizzled nova]

paladins have a similar talent that is a non-capstone passthru with a cooldown that is 75% shorter

[toxic pewter]

yeah I just take disr shout over bloodsurge

[summer wagon]

Nom is prot broken yet

[lusty grotto]

That SC change is dogshit

[strong forum]

Yeah that's what I'd do

[strong forum]

Hell naw

[glacial skiff]

Can you afford the rage loss from bloodsurge?

[lusty grotto]

Yes

[strong forum]

Yes

[lusty grotto]

I play without it

[glacial skiff]

over the course of a key this seems like a lot

[strong forum]

While it doesn't feel nice, it's fine

Yes bloodsurge is alot of rage

[glacial skiff]

but its a drop in the bucket compared to shield slam i guess

[strong forum]

7-12%

Overall

[surreal birch]

emmm, tell me I'm dreaming and we just did not got a balance patch?

[jagged pier]

not really

[lusty grotto]

We did not, cause the SC change is bullshit

[left basalt]

I'm assuming pins will be updated with new builds later today?

[strong forum]

Eh it's to nerd VDH St damage

[kind glen]

I guess Blood Surge is the point to drop. I was using both Thunderlord and Disrupting Shout with not BR

[strong forum]

Alot of people opt out of BR cuz they undervalue it

[ionic nimbus]

You mean like getting things like sac after you dropped KEKW

[glacial skiff]

I think one of my hopes for TWW is they either remove, or rework demo shout. a gcd that does no damage in this day in age is not good. :/

[grizzled nova]

it just needs to cause threat

[lusty grotto]

The good news is, the 3 man team doing this season isn't dead I guess

[cyan bronze]

@strong forum do I reroll prot

[strong forum]

I dont think they do need updating until it's confirmed that enduring alacrity is better than BR

[toxic pewter]

will our shield slam resets suffer cuz of lack of auto attack speed from br

[glacial skiff]

Nah, blizz doesn't know how to do things correctly like that anymore. I'd rather it do damage, or be re-worked into a new ability or removed entirely

[lusty grotto]

Wat

[left basalt]

I just listen to the smart people, you tell me what to pick.

[ionic fern]

Quick, Nom, tell them to pick BSV.

[lusty grotto]

Lmaoooo

[strong forum]

It will not, but you will do a bit less damage

[grizzled nova]

I'm fine with it being an on gcd ability, it's just annoying that you want to press it early before other big fam buttons and it causes no threat while everyone is popping off

[glacial skiff]

Yeah, and I am 90% sure we're balanced around that peak damage.

Which is bad

[sturdy halo]

cover it with 75s disrupting shout /s

[grizzled nova]

yeh so just make it cause a functional amount of threat blammo problem solved

[glacial skiff]

we're not demo locks that can just fuck off for a gcd or 2 to do dam, i need threat (dam) and i need it now

but if it doesn't do damage too, then it's perceived poorly. They should just tie damage to it somehow

[kind glen]

call jg wentworth

[south zealot]

aye man sometimes u got 15 imps about to expire lol

[tribal wharf]

and worst yet, my giga taunt is on CD, and i cant leap awy from boss cuz it does a wipe mechanic

so, now, i REALLY need the threat

[glacial skiff]

LMAO i had something like that happen earlier. Had to leap from entangling since avatar was on cd, adds spawned and the dev evoker started popping off. had no cds to rip threat so he died xd

[ionic nimbus]

The best thing for next is …. No bolstering

[obsidian girder]

Is prot s-tier now with the upcoming changes?

[south zealot]

cycle back to avatar faster

[tribal wharf]

kekw i think

[south zealot]

how do you come to that conclusion

[humble schooner]

no, double sigil still exists

[obsidian girder]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-girl-gif-10916027183312786347

[left trout]

I mean just let the dps die he will learn to give you a second

[ionic nimbus]

Still Batman

[jagged pier]

can just walk out of entangled

u dont need to leap 🤷

[south zealot]

in 99% of situations you dont really need a second

tank threat is so high

[ionic nimbus]

Bring your personal ret to your keys

[tribal wharf]

freedom type stuff has to work for entangling im sure

[glacial skiff]

true, but i think it was a boss or something and leap made more sense at the time haha

[clear shale]

did they just nerf a dps talent to push people in to picking a survivability talent so they can say prot warrior are more tanky now when the end of month power point comes round and they look at big data metrics from dungeons then pat themselves on the back?

[left trout]

Sure it's quite good at the moment (threat) but just existing doesn't create threat you have to make contact with the mobs

[jagged pier]

we dont know until we see the numbers

[glacial skiff]

• if i can leap i will leap. Guild always gives me shit because i like to use leap whenever possible. the blizz god's wouldn't give me this power if they didn't want me to use it

[jagged pier]

but thats the wrong way to use leap

[humble schooner]

as long as there isn't some large 1shot type damage, I find Warrior to be almost immortal

[lament zealot]

You can back peddle out of the vines, they take a year to go off

[naive hatch]

they do, 20% bonus with booming voice :)

[keen glade]

the right way is to leap quaking circles into casters

[rapid jewel]

its kinda stupid to buff warrior and nerf a specific talent at the same time. Most of our "last row" talents are in a bad state.

[humble schooner]

reminds me of Iron Docks when everyone was pulled together and quakiing went off

[glacial skiff]

what's the right way? I main dps warrior so a lot of times it's used to milk, or get to a specific area when i need to be there lol

[south zealot]

me when ppl are used to vdh and refuse to talent into interrupt and i take 7 casts at once

[lusty grotto]

choco is back!

[tribal wharf]

something something the meme image of forked path with the 2 castles, leap on one castle, i dunno, SS on the other?

[ionic nimbus]

Bleeds… bleeeds and bleeeeeds

[south zealot]

maybe

[solemn current]

Does the armor from Enduring Alacrity increase the strength of Armored to the Teeth? Could’ve swore they restricted some contributing factors awhile back.

[glacial skiff]

in keys i use it to pull etc a lot, but in mid of a pack if entangling happens at a bad time i use it there to not move mobs too much

[lusty grotto]

whens baconators

[south zealot]

i had one yesterday

[lusty grotto]

oh nice

[humble schooner]

I remember those 600k bleed ticks in Throne of Tides lol

[toxic pewter]

mmm wendy

[final mist]

👋

[lusty grotto]

Sal is back!

hooooly

[frail ibex]

So is the prot buff good?

[lusty grotto]

yogi, choco and sal in less than 4 days

[frail ibex]

I dont play it often enough to know

[humble schooner]

someone asked me how to survive those dragon dog packs as a warrior, yeah, be dwarf lol

[glacial skiff]

demo shout itself does 0 damage. it applies a damage amp debuff to mobs, which arguably sucks to need to use a gcd that does 0 damage when we already don't have snap threat, and we often want demo shout up early in pull for the damage reduction

[tribal wharf]

this is what AI art thinks a baconator is

[jagged pier]

yogi thats alreayd off topic stuff in the middle of a discussion

please dont start again

[fervent gull]

will these changges to prot change out tree? anyone havea tree they can share on expected new

[naive hatch]

maybe take titanic throw over sidearm? no threat issues at all

[tribal wharf]

thats a 7 layer of meat burger wtf lol

[south zealot]

i will never lose damage for some dumb shit

[glacial skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/glare-scowl-annoyed-ron-swanson-parks-and-rec-gif-4601682

[tribal wharf]

pepefat

[jagged pier]

numbers will tell

[lusty grotto]

the only people with threat issues are people that didnt go gholak

and/or arent pressing their buttons like we should

[naive hatch]

or some kind of dps trinket

[glacial skiff]

the pains of being an offspec tank 😭

[ionic nimbus]

Next reset gholak will rise and shine

[naive hatch]

idk i walk in with rageheart on and everything wants to fuck me

[lusty grotto]

i mean i went leggo and i have no threat issues

with strike twice

[south zealot]

can i get 2 buillions this week

[lusty grotto]

probably

[south zealot]

if i missed the first one

[lusty grotto]

mythic quest awarded 2 bullions

in ptr

[next pasture]

yes

[lusty grotto]

so we will see

[final mist]

Yes

[lusty grotto]

oh

[next pasture]

someone in lfr yesterday got 2 off one boss

[lusty grotto]

yeah you can catch up easily

[keen iris]

the only time I have threat issues is when I'm rounding up multiple packs and some DPS unloads on the first pack while they're still walking towards me at the second/third pack

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats

a

dps problem

[keen iris]

yeah, I agree.

[lusty grotto]

they are dumb and they deserve the death with cds up

[ionic nimbus]

With gholak at 483 Aggro was interesting against lego Ret, but even with 522 m+ weapon Aggro is just a matter of positioning

[keen iris]

Yeah, had a ret doing this yesterday and sent me a tell at the end about my "threat problems". He never even bubbled. He just pop wings and die

[undone beacon]

My guilds DH proceeded to die over and over in a AV last night by popping grieftorch while I was pulling mobs

It was awesome

[keen iris]

dev evoker though... sometimes they pull even when I feel like I have solid threat

[tribal wharf]

i dont have threat issues cuz i dont play the game anymore lol

[final mist]

He's just doing himself a favor

Resetting his own Grieftorch

[tribal wharf]

cant miss time a taunt or interupt that never existed

[undone beacon]

True

[karmic plinth]

come back to us yogster

[tribal wharf]

i dunno, im just weighting my options.... aka.... do i really fuckin wanna come back to play wow..... and for most part like 80% reasons is no atm :S

expansion sure, just, i got other stuff more appealing atm elsewhere

someone in another discord the other day made the month long theme "grindy games" and i couldnt think of a single more grindy game than this i played

almost came back in that moment

[humble schooner]

S4 is a bit meh, but still more fun than expected. MoP Remix in a few weeks will be fun

[arctic finch]

am i tripping or those buffs are mostly useless

[left trout]

You may be correct

[humble schooner]

75 sec CD on Disruption Shout, i'll take it

should be 1 min, but splitting hairs

[left trout]

45 seconds and 2 charges and cd gets reduced by anger management I won't take less I know what I've got

[arctic finch]

now that they nerfed ram are we actually playing with 0 of the capstones

[young wasp]

Already 20 minutes late but I've been running this crackhead build with throw macro'd into charge/taunt, etc. Works pretty well as long as you don't grief by pulling extra packs with it

[ionic nimbus]

they should include disrupting shout into angermanagement KEKW

[torn gulch]

no because then we're going the dh way which is the wrong way

a tank should never have the level of control a vdh has now

otherwise dps learn bad habits in m+

[peak pagoda]

will prot warr be be 2nd or 1st best tank after buffs or

[torn gulch]

no

vdh is still king

[ionic nimbus]

batman will still be S-Tier

[naive hatch]

plka turned me on to titanic throw and i've been loving it

[peak pagoda]

blood dk or prot next patch tho hm

[primal crypt]

@lusty grotto is prot viable now

[naive hatch]

when i'm grouping 4 packs dps can ungabunga on the first and i'm chilling

[young wasp]

I pair it with the bleed

[lusty grotto]

lol yamo

[young wasp]

And I can just throw and forget

[primal crypt]

[daring bolt]

Warrior op

[primal crypt]

so we use Battle-Scarred Veteran now right?

[torn gulch]

never

[primal crypt]

that thing omega op

xD

[lusty grotto]

yamo trolling

(:

[left trout]

Does that titan throw apply deep wounds?

[young wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/hinatwt-gif-25917863

[young wasp]

It does if you take talent in other tree

[final mist]

PurposefullySpreadMisinformation.meme

[lusty grotto]

50%party

[primal crypt]

50%party for sure

[south zealot]

how do u tank rashok

i forget

[lusty grotto]

dont take same type of hit twice

dont let other tank take same type of hit twice

ez

or just listen to bigwigs/dbm 😄

[rigid hull]

have u guys seen the new warrior changes?

whats gonna happen to talent build

[karmic plinth]

possible swap from battering ram to enduring alacrity

[rigid hull]

but u also gotta remove disrupting shout ? am i doing the math right

[karmic plinth]

once someone blue or orange in their name runs the numbers

bloodsurge > disrupting if u want it

[toxic pewter]

1 min 15 sec aoe taunt pretty good

[lusty grotto]

nothign

[lean flower]

Not for m+ keep that baby yeeehawww

[lusty grotto]

nothing will happen

[rigid hull]

this?

[pastel light]

ever a world where you remove thunderlord for alacrity?

[lusty grotto]

no

and no

[karmic plinth]

drop bloodsurge (next to rend) for disrupting shout if you want to take it
drop battering ram for enduring alacrity if it turns out to be better (we dont know yet)

[lusty grotto]

correct

[waxen frigate]

No

Thunderlord is nuts

[hoary bough]

boy, i can't wait to drop battering ram for BSV

[waxen frigate]

Which one is enduring alacrity or whatever

[toxic pewter]

They have some nerve mentioning battle-scarred veteran

[young wasp]

[toxic pewter]

Above ravager

[waxen frigate]

Ah

[rapid jewel]

you could didge indom for alacrity, if you want more damage

[toxic pewter]

O_O

[ionic nimbus]

Dafuq

Don’t drop indom

[granite pond]

Talents are a crutch. Real tanks run 0 points

[waxen frigate]

Cooked

It’s time

Bleed support needs to return

[lusty grotto]

[waxen frigate]

Behold

[lusty grotto]

lmaoooooo

[rapid jewel]

why not? The health bonus is roughly the same. You trade a bit of selfheal for 10% armor, 1% strength, 2% haste, 10% armor

[old flame]

lol droping outburst?

[waxen frigate]

“A bit of self heal”

[old flame]

are you mad?

[lusty grotto]

its bleed support

(:

[waxen frigate]

I’m a tank my job is support the group and guard them not to do damage

[lusty grotto]

[lusty karma]

We should all spec BSV and send Blizzard for a loop

[jagged pier]

No.

[waxen frigate]

Jakey I noticed bleed support isn’t in the pins can you explain this

[jagged pier]

No.

[lusty grotto]

[waxen frigate]

I’m being censored

[lusty grotto]

get fucked nish

😎

[waxen frigate]

Yeah I wish

[lusty grotto]

[waxen frigate]

@lusty tiger I need u

[lusty grotto]

true and real

[hoary bough]

ikr, how fkn oblivious do you have to be

to mention BSV

[midnight python]

am I smooth brained or is the battering ram change a nerf

[strong forum]

yes its a substantial nerf to battering ram

[midnight python]

oh

so the nerf was just done to incentivize using the point for something else

[strong forum]

yeah and to offset the nerf of BR they buffed devastator damage

[pallid quiver]

and 5% to all abilities, too, iirc

[strong forum]

well that was just needed

[pallid quiver]

correct

[jagged pier]

well u onyl really have one other choice to take over BR

[midnight python]

I am definitely smooth brain, i should just read the dev notes right above the bullet points next time

[hoary bough]

how does it work out for us?

[midnight python]

[pallid quiver]

but i think the reason they said they did that was for the take away of BR

[hoary bough]

we do a little bit more dmg and have an extra point or two for survivability?

we finally have a cheat 🤣

[jagged pier]

no

[strong forum]

we do more damage, disruptive can be used more often if you choose to talent it

and EA is actually usable now

[old flame]

we defintely don't have a chear

[pallid quiver]

but jakey, we do, you just gotta farm it first 🙂

[jagged pier]

No.

[lusty grotto]

if only NA people would queue for it

[pallid quiver]

apparently eu doesn't either otherwise jakey wouldn't have shot me

[toxic pewter]

what we really need to do is all send in bug report with all our power combined surely they will fix this talent

[pallid quiver]

oh right, IP healing increased by 6%, massive change

meta limelight, here we come

[midnight python]

so even with the vdh nerfs and the prot warr buffs, the chance of prot warrs being taken over vdh is still 0?

[lusty grotto]

nothing will change

[strong forum]

Absolutely nothing changes

Vdh still does 20%+ more damage

And is tankier

Brings 5% magic debuff

[toxic pewter]

[strong forum]

And still has 6 stops

[solemn current]

7

Silence x2, Fear x2, Chain x2, Chaos Nova lmao

[lusty grotto]

also imprison

[waxen frigate]

Ppal and bear maybe gain some ground

[strong forum]

Dying is also a way to stop things

[waxen frigate]

But vdh still meta

[strong forum]

Pally suffers from being the squishiest and lowest dmg tank

Like straight up can't compete

[toxic pewter]

why isnt bear as OP as it was in season 2, is it purely because of that nerf to their rage generation or wat

or are they being slept on even

[lusty grotto]

because vdh exists

[strong forum]

Bear got weaker compared to s3

Cuz their tierset is worse

[keen iris]

bear seems pretty good, still. VDH aside.

[toxic pewter]

werent they meta in season 2 and have season 2 tier again

or am i missing something

[strong forum]

Yes but the S3 tierset was better

[toxic pewter]

i see

[keen iris]

they got rebalanced in between

[toxic pewter]

why they take s2 then lol

[humble schooner]

my Pally is higher gear than my warrior, tanking some 8s and such feels like I am doing good damage, but then look at details and its crap lol

[toxic pewter]

silly bears

[keen iris]

druids aren't good at math

[solemn current]

People thought s2 tier set was why they were OP. Gutting Blood Frenzy was a huge blow

[keen iris]

too busy doing furry stuff in goldshire

[granite pond]

one, two, three

druids can math

tree

[potent anvil]

Will we be playing Enduring Alacrity?

[toxic pewter]

i m taking it, will put me over 2 mil health

😄

XD

[spice yacht]

so basicly we can move the battering ram talent around based on which content we are doing now is how I read the notes today. Am I smooth brain or is that right

[strong forum]

Sounds like it, yeah

[solemn current]

I'm more interested in the ~3% haste and ~1% str gain from Alacrity personally.

[strong forum]

EA for keys

Disruptive if you like to pretend that you can use it well to justify losing EA

[toxic pewter]

where u getting 3% haste isnt it 2%

[solemn current]

Multiplicitive

[strong forum]

And for raid I don't think anything changes

[solemn current]

2% haste from the talent, ends up more when you consider our high haste plus ITF.

[keen iris]

I really like disruptive in pugs. it's nice to have an extra stop when DPS are dumb

so basically always

[strong forum]

Every pwar I've seen so far who runs disruptive, doesn't use it

[toxic pewter]

lol

[strong forum]

They get at best like 4 random kicks with it per dungeon

[toxic pewter]

sounds about right tbh

[strong forum]

total

[jagged pier]

^^

[keen iris]

probably true

[spice yacht]

I think I only take disruptive for Nokhud Offensive for the add phase of the last boss because im not a VDH with a million stops

[strong forum]

So, unless you coordinate around it, I won't recommend it

[radiant mortar]

imagine not using the best spell we have (imo because im bad and need aoe taunt and kicks)

[granite pond]

but those 4 stops really allow you to yell at pugs! 🙂

[potent anvil]

I use it to set up pulls and pretend I'm a vdh

[keen iris]

yeah, sometimes for people side pulling, just to get snap threat

[toxic pewter]

at 1 min 15 sec we can have it up for basically every other pull sorta

[solemn current]

On one hand I can confidentally say I used it in the few dungeons I ran it on last season. With that said I still don't know why it's 75s now and not 60s.

[spice yacht]

Nokhud Offensive with pug groups i take it otherwise nah

[waxen frigate]

This is my mindset

[strong forum]

Sure, but not every pull has synced up casts that need to be stopped

[waxen frigate]

I’m not gonna take it bc I’m probably not gonna use it

[toxic pewter]

ya true

not every dungeon even needs it

[strong forum]

I'm not taking it cuz I don't need it, I can stop all the important casts myself already

Why lose a huge talent

[waxen frigate]

Shockwave and storm bolt cover plenty

[strong forum]

Exactly

[toxic pewter]

do u think u will run bloodsurge or BR still

[potent anvil]

What do we drop if we wanted disrupting and enduring alacrity? Bloodsurge?

[strong forum]

Yeah

[waxen frigate]

Are you moving the bettering ram point to EA?

[solemn current]

Only time I see value on it this season personally is AV, Uldaman, and maybe Nelth. Could grab for Nokhud for when you know some pug isn't going to kick something.

[radiant mortar]

what to take instead?

[potent anvil]

[strong forum]

EA

Probably

[toxic pewter]

if you dont want disrupting, do you think BR still worth over bloodsurge

[strong forum]

2% haste 10% armor goes a long way

The stamina is just aight

More self healing via indom

[radiant mortar]

is this for the upcoming bufs?

[strong forum]

Yes

[toxic pewter]

the new UA may actually be one of the best talents in the game in terms of value

considering how we get str

and indom

[radiant mortar]

anymore chances build wise?

[strong forum]

Not probably not, this season has turbo large pulls

[toxic pewter]

ok makes sense

[strong forum]

Where bloodsurge value goes brrrr

Halfing the power of BR is really a kick in the nuts

All the power of BR was in the atk speed increase

[radiant mortar]

not playing it soooo

not a loss for me

:D

[jagged pier]

still dont understand why they did that seems like no one but me and nome play it anyway

🤷

[toxic pewter]

will our ST dam be worse or prob not

[strong forum]

It will be worse

[toxic pewter]

damn

[strong forum]

(if you leave the 5% buff aside)

[toxic pewter]

right

[solemn current]

Should have been playing it, but since its getting nerfed with compensation it's hard to complain about a free talent point.

[toxic pewter]

feelsbadman, br one of my fav talents we got in df

[strong forum]

BR was over 10k dps

[vestal moat]

Our damage will be higher than it was before regardless of any combination of talents you did or didnt take before.

[strong forum]

In ST

[patent osprey]

?????

[strong forum]

It will be higher

[strong forum]

Yeup

[patent osprey]

Eye Closed Gaming

🙂

[strong forum]

I've not watched you play so I can't say if you do

But everyone who I have seen, barely gets any relevant value out of it

[solemn current]

What he's saying Pika is you've abandoned us for VDH

Please come back, VDH is terrible I swear

[clear shale]

the twice per dungeon you do use it feels sooo good tho

[patent osprey]

VDH is terrible

Playing prot warrior is like Crack

[urban bane]

from log peepin sense dropped tlord for disruptive past week in some keys

[patent osprey]

Very fun

Then my whole team is dead

and im like...

zzzzz

[solemn current]

Truueeee

[lean flower]

Team needs to get less lazy tell them that

[hoary bough]

ANY combination 🤔

[toxic pewter]

ngl I love how tanky we are, and the 10% stam and armor just make us tankier

how much more dam reduction is 10% armor

[solemn current]

Negligent when you consider anything armor reduced was non existent damage to begin with. It's purely for the str bonus.

[toxic pewter]

ok

[lavish oracle]

10% bonus Stam kinda sick, though

[toxic pewter]

yah all our healing gonna go up

[final mist]

Surely Mass Spell Reflect would solve all of our problems (nah but fr tho where tf is it)

[granite pond]

out smoking behind the gym with gladiator stance

[final mist]

God I wish

[waxen frigate]

Or just intervene reflect

[hoary bough]

is the IP an increase of the cap or just the amount per button hit?

[waxen frigate]

Mass reflect kinda busted

[strong forum]

1 whole use

In 1 entire dungeon

[solemn current]

Bet it was a good use though

[granite pond]

but did that use save the key! (prolly not)

[lean flower]

They should let us give party 6 secs of spell block xd when we use it. That’d be fun! (But obviously without the team needing shield block up themselves )

[hoary bough]

party-wide spell reflect for quickly doing the intermission on nokhud

[onyx hearth]

"Prot warriors are vulnerable to magic damage, so we buff Enduring Alacrity to give more armor"

[final mist]

Well they buffed IP too

Which is also technically a Magic DR buff

Kind of

[lavish oracle]

IP scales with health so

[final mist]

We are better for magic damage now with the buffs

Just innately

[strong forum]

Indomitable and Impending Victory also heals more

With increased HP

[final mist]

Yeah

[strong forum]

Just because it doesn't say magic dmg reduction

Doesn't mean it doesn't do anything

[solemn current]

Technically their argument for the magic damage was to give us a point to put elsewhere, no? They just simply ignored that Bolster isn't a good talent without S2 tier and BSV doesn't work properly lmao. Would have loved for a properly working BSV though.

[hoary bough]

a properly working BSV rn with the talent changes would be incredible

[toxic pewter]

maybe they fixed it in tomorrows patch

[prisma crane]

"IP healing" it's a weird phrasing

this referring to absorb amount?

[hoary bough]

surely

[toxic pewter]

well have all you guys sent in feedback about it

[final mist]

That said, I don't really think we needed defensive buffs per se but this has been a habitually recurring thing with Blizz and Prot Warriors; that being that their buffs tend to buff it passively and also that our problems are usually utility-related and not defensiveness (if you know how to play, which tbf that vast majority of the playerbase does not, which is why defensive buffs for Warrior tend to be passive in nature)

[keen iris]

They definitely want us to take BSV, IMHO

[final mist]

But I've been bitching about utility since like Cata so fuck me ig

[solemn current]

Then they should have fixed it at any point during beta or the entire expansion lol. I think most of us want to take it too.

[onyx hearth]

You still need to interrupt with disrupting shout to silence right?

[lusty grotto]

no

[rapid jewel]

it never was a silence, always an aoe interrupt

[lusty grotto]

it blanket silences too

[solemn current]

It's an AoE interrupt with a 6s lockout of that school. Basically a long interrupt.

[onyx hearth]

"prevent any spell in that school from being cast" is kinda of a silence

[strong forum]

It's not a blanket silence

[rapid jewel]

that is what interrupts do

[strong forum]

It's just an interrupt

[prisma crane]

if it was a silence i might actually take it

[granite pond]

the mobs have to be casting for it to do anything, it's not a blanket

[final mist]

Okay but @strong forum why tf my BRM boys out there catching strays

Like wtf

[toxic pewter]

they have been doing too much damage for a long time now

[granite pond]

All 3 of the BRM guys at top guys will be real mad

[keen iris]

they got a damage nerf and a mitigation buff

probably not too bad for them

[final mist]

I literally started playing mine again yesterday

[strong forum]

Cuz their dmg profile is unhealthy going forward

Idk

[solemn current]

It's the only tank that can gap VDH in AoE damage lol. Think they'll be happy with survivability buffs over a little bit of damage.

[strong forum]

Meanwhile vdh...

Doing 470k overalls in BH without Aug like it's nothing

[toxic pewter]

should of nerfed spirit bomb along with soul cleave

[hoary bough]

is brm still crazy button bloat?

[keen iris]

yeah, I think it's a good change for BRM

[final mist]

Yes

[hoary bough]

blargh

[final mist]

I have like 40 keybindings and pianist hands and even I'm struggling to find room for them

[hoary bough]

what annoys me is how boring many of the BRM buttons are

some are getting dropped in TWW tho, right?

like no more catue

[final mist]

No idea, I haven't looked at TWW beyond warrior

[toxic pewter]

ya war within they working on brew button bloat

[hoary bough]

MOUNTAIN THANEE

[pallid quiver]

they should double down, give brew twice as many buttons as it has now

[crystal iris]

I still think disrupting should should be blanket silence

And 2 charges

[keen iris]

and a 50 yd radius

[crystal iris]

20

Since 10 does nothing for our ability to control packs

[pallid quiver]

20 instance radius, yes

you'll effect 19 other entire instances with the silence

[crystal iris]

And if we lose aggro usually things are running out of that 10 yards

[keen iris]

you push it and no mob in any dungeon can cast for a good 6 second. that would be perfect

[granite pond]

it should summon a VDH that sigils for you for 5 minutes

[solemn current]

It’s 14 currently but yea 20 would be nice.

[prisma crane]

im here for it

[pastel sleet]

Thats the winner. The funniest shit ive heard this season

[crystal iris]

It’s just kind of useless

If I’m a DPS and see 2-3 casts going off at once in a group I’m hitting my AOE stun, not expecting the prot warr to interrupt everything

[keen iris]

I still take it. Maybe I don't always use it on cooldown, but there are times with trash pugs where it saves from a wipe.

at least once every dungeon or two. But I'm only running 10-12's. Maybe that improves when you're running high keys

[granite pond]

it basically feels like a talent with far more value in low keys with pugs, where you can use it to cover bad play

in higher keys it's not needed, there are better options

[keen iris]

yeah, exactly

[violet gorge]

Is there any stat values i should be roughly aiming for on prot?

[lusty grotto]

ilvl

see pins

and/or the guides

stats are not goalposts

[desert spade]

very late to the party here and i apologise if ive missed it on the guides. whats the reccomended order for dinar purchases?

[lusty grotto]

pins

[waxen frigate]

Aegis, RDM

[tropic pond]

disrupt shout should have 2/3 charges instead reducing the cd

[plush tendon]

that basically just make its silence sigil at home

[tropic pond]

yeah, if vdh have that sigil, we can have the knock off version of it

[grand veldt]

disrupting shout needs to be a minute CD to be significant

like 75s is objectively nicer but you need disrupting shout for every pull after the lizard bitch in uldaman

[hoary bough]

disrupting shout should fire out a load of bells at all nearby enemies, interrupting them when they hit

[lusty grotto]

nah

dorfster's idea is the best

just make it summon a vdh to just cycle sigils

[hoary bough]

haha

[tropic pond]

bruh..

[urban bane]

suplex a nearby dh into the dirt and make them cast sigil of silence

[grand veldt]

I actually don't mind disrupting shout not silencing shit that isnt casting

[mellow harbor]

i wish last stand would have unnering focus or bolster build in, and that thunderclap in prot spec baseline applies rend if rend is talented so we can take blood and thunder

[grand veldt]

it can interrupt elite mobs unlike sigil which has to finesse

[grand veldt]

true

[plush tendon]

I dont like 75 seconds cause its weird

make it 60 seconds or 90

not 75

https://tenor.com/view/schitts-creek-ew-gross-david-rose-disgusted-gif-18489037

[grand veldt]

90 is fucking aids

[torn gulch]

60s

[grand veldt]

60s would be a lot nicer, or maybe they could make it more interesting and give us like -5s per target interrupted

from 75s

[torn gulch]

5s is too much you'll have it like every 30s

[grand veldt]

you put a cap on it

like they do with the thunderclap demo shout talent

[plush tendon]

imagine saying 'guys, my disrupting shout is on a 1:15 cd'

[grim pilot]

idk just do 60 in general