protection

[dusky canopy]

I had a VDH do the same pull for me in a 11

[waxen frigate]

At this point if I don’t have friends actively looking for groups I’m just gonna close game

And play something else

LFG is unplayable

[dusky canopy]

Was such good cd value

[torn gulch]

as a prot warrior you have to split that in like 4

pulls

[plush tendon]

you dont

it is what it is

[torn gulch]

yes i'll main my warrior no matter how garbage it is

i'll see what keys i'll be able to do

[plush tendon]

Warrior is fine; its balanced along with the other tanks (minus brew)

[torn gulch]

i am fine with warr atm

the invites are a problem

[plush tendon]

and Im fine with their being a 'best tank', but its painfully obviously for the past 4-5 months that theres everyone else and then theres VDH

[torn gulch]

there was always meta

[plush tendon]

and I like VDH, but im sick and tired of these DPS players not doing shit in dungeons

[torn gulch]

but there is meta and there is vdh which is in another dimension

every dungeon has a ret pala and most of them do under 5 kicks and under 5 hoj per dungeon

and so on

[plush tendon]

had double sigil not existed last season, I bet groups would not have been able to do some dungeons without some melee

[lusty grotto]

yeah

i agree

melee/shaman kicks no longer matter because of it

or

[waxen frigate]

Vdh is an insane enabler

And it also just exceeds other tanks in offensive and defensive capability

[lusty grotto]

matter considerably less, i should say

[waxen frigate]

Which is ridiculous

[lusty grotto]

right

[waxen frigate]

Had someone say to me “yeah can’t do that without vdh” doing the normal bh first pull I did in s2

Like brother you can

[lusty grotto]

LOL what

[waxen frigate]

None of you stupid fucks pressed a stop

[lusty grotto]

well

[waxen frigate]

And I did more Dps than 2 of you as a brewmaster

[lusty grotto]

to be fair i got that line on chain pulls of Nelth in s2

"youre not a bear"

[waxen frigate]

Yeah except

[lusty grotto]

same with first giga pull in NL

[waxen frigate]

I was doing these pulls before double Sigils existed

[lusty grotto]

just tell them hold my beer

right

i had a discussion with my friends about

tank picks as always

so i finally got them to agree when i said that when they do keys with my warrior they actually get better

at stops

kicks

letting me position mobs

so that when i swap to VDH

[waxen frigate]

Yeah it’s crazy how much of a difference it makes

[lusty grotto]

it becomes exponentially easier

[waxen frigate]

Literally training weights

[lusty grotto]

yup

not only that but

you can tell, cause they know exactly how to react to everything

in pugs for example

[grim pilot]

hold my beer

gets hit by storming

gets globalled

[lusty grotto]

and obviously this is an on-going thing since prot pallies in s1

lol ?

are u ok myrtuu

[grim pilot]

love getting hit by storming

and turning my back

on certain mobs

[plush tendon]

I have less issue with Prot Paladin shield

cause most of the time its just 'yea, he just gets a bunch of random interrupts'

VDH is like "ima blanket everything for about 30 seconds. Ill tell ya when Im done"

[lusty grotto]

yeah ig

but prot pally still has a utility problem

its just not as huge this time around cause their damage is garbage

[tall sky]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/silvermoon/frogwarany tips lads? on what im doing wrong in this weeks heroic raid?

[plush tendon]

Its paladin utility

minus spellwarding; but those are all paladin abilties

[lusty grotto]

you do have a point

and they got replaced by ret

[jagged gust]

While doing 300k overall

[plush tendon]

and its not like spellwarding is some crazy ability either; 5 min cd and shares a CD with BoP

[lusty grotto]

i mean

its considerable paired with sac

but i get that youre mentioning prot specific things

[plush tendon]

and VDH has 3 (or 5) min Darkness, BDK has 2 min AMZ, Prot War has Rally (which they neutered a bit)

which all the dps specs of those respective tanks also bring

[lusty grotto]

my biggest problem with every "utility" conversation is that Blizzard went hard at reducing and also COMMUNICATED that they would reduce the amount of shit tanks would have to do in DF's launch, and then they just completely ignore all the cc/buff/defensives certain tanks have

i have absolutely no issue with tanks having a lot of tools

[plush tendon]

no one knows the thought process behind Blizz's balancing

[lusty grotto]

my problem is with the contradiction

[plush tendon]

the unfortunate reality is this; if your spec is getting reworked, you will be meta

more changes= better

[lusty grotto]

yeah

pretty much

[plush tendon]

I know someone here has a spreadsheet of the number of changes for each spec, and its the same story

[pallid quiver]

It was Sense, iirc

And he also mentioned he wasn'y big on the idea that rework = buff, especially to the extent that it was for every class that got reworked

[plush tendon]

idk, thats sort of the perception I get

like, Im still playing my DK... but it frustrates me to no end that 2pc2pc is again what we have to play with no sign of them actually changing that

two tiers in a row, blizz couldnt design a BDK 4 set that did anything

[pallid quiver]

What I mean is that he doesn't like that reworks mean you get buffed massively, generally catapulting you to the premier spec of that role

[plush tendon]

thats fine.... still would be nice to get some attention

[lusty grotto]

i wonder how many BHs ive ran today

oh

just 5

[dusky canopy]

Damn Nim soon!

[lusty grotto]

every season

every

siingle

season

fuck my keyboard is already calling it quits

[blazing condor]

🖖

wrong emote

🫡

[vocal cave]

are vers wrists bis for m+ only?

[lusty grotto]

they arent

they are for arms

[vocal cave]

sadge

[lusty grotto]

but they are usable

prot just uses shadowflame embelish there

you lose a bit of damage with them but yeah if youre like me who mains arms in raid youre kinda required to have them

[jagged pier]

If u play both specs honestly just double shadowflame

[vocal cave]

im pretty much tanking m+ only this season

[lusty grotto]

i guess i should have, i fucking upped allied

ok well just get shadowflame then

run #6

so far ive gotten 2 necks, 1 helm

im doing the yogi

[jagged pier]

Im arms this season when i am playign and im just running double shadowflame because i cba paying for a new craft when u can just recraft

And it make not much difference

[lusty grotto]

ah yeah

i already had them for last season so its not a big deal

[jagged pier]

And it doesnt matter anyway because im garbage at arms

[vocal cave]

anvil procs of shield slam?

[cinder nova]

yes

is beacon still doodoo?

[lusty grotto]

so does signet

[errant leaf]

guys what should i buy with bullion 1st

[lusty grotto]

pins

[errant leaf]

rageheart or golak

[lusty grotto]

pins

[errant leaf]

thing is i have strike twice already

[lusty grotto]

doesnt matter

[errant leaf]

oke

[lusty grotto]

#6 nothing

on to 7

i think ima do 10 total today cause i dont wanna get fucking burned out

plus i gotta do keys with chipadin

[raven steeple]

Maybe dumb question but is a 499 Gholak better than a 515 regular 1h? The 515 is at max, so not going anywhere, but I don't have the things needed to upgrade the Gholak beyond 499 without doing more +0s 🥲

[warm plinth]

Probably? Comparable at least

[bleak breach]

I clicked the link and nothing showing up.

[warm plinth]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/silvermoon/frogwar he added the any into the link by accident

[blazing condor]

you're 20 cpm lower than your pwarr co-tank to begin witih

gotta push them buttons

[lusty grotto]

hell yeah i got it on run 7

lets goo

well

not 7 total, cause i ran like 3 or 4 yesterday

plus the other random runs on it

14 runs total

with last week

(:

and now... time to spam nokhud 😦

and AA for the shitbox

for me arms spec

[bleak breach]

Talent build is a little off, missing a few enchants. Easy one is just to go onto wowhead and check out the single target raid build plus enchants, flasks and pots to use. Gear seems decent enough, just gotta focus on getting more abilities off.

[tall sky]

like how doy ou mean with that last part

[cinder nova]

Holy fuck I forgot how bad people are in PUG raids

[bleak breach]

All about activating current 4 set to proc the fervid thingy, which will reduce your TR. macro SS to instantly go after IP, so if it procs during they will go together activating the tier bonus. Then it’s simply as Dog said trying to press more buttons.

[tall sky]

how would i macro that and does that mean I don't need the og shield slam to be on my hotbar?

[cinder nova]

pins in the faq iirc

[bleak breach]

Quick one I could see also @tall sky was you don’t have a flask equipped, rune or augment rune active which will boost a bit.

[bleak breach]

Definitely need SS on your hot bar too, it just helps get more casts off

[tall sky]

okay

thanks

[dark barn]

Defensive Stance will no longer reduce your damage

Changes confirmed today to TWW

[toxic pewter]

still lose out on that 3% crit and less time snared and crap or whatever it is

[dark barn]

its something, but a much lesser gain to stance dance

probably i will just ignore battle stance forever

[toxic pewter]

Can't wait until they inevitably just remove the stances, such a disastrous reintroduction they did.

Its like why even have them anymore, just give us back vanguard lol

[dark barn]

yeah

more useless each day

[marble lagoon]

what did everyone spend their first bullion on?

[toxic pewter]

gholak

[dark barn]

gholak

planning to buy diurna ring next

[toxic pewter]

yep same

[marble lagoon]

okay thank you

wasnt quite sure

[dark barn]

diurna ring can reach higher ilvl than eranog ring

[toxic pewter]

oh i misread im actually getting eranogg ring

next

cuz i want that dam

[dark barn]

good idea too

but more hp and the huge shield i want to test it before

[marble lagoon]

to be fair the eranog ring is called diurnas chosen lol

[toxic pewter]

fair enough they both are solid rings ill prob end up with both

[dark barn]

yeah lol

[hardy snow]

because Eranog is Diurna's Chosen, when you approach Diurna she gets mad that you killed Eranog

[dark barn]

That's a sad story 😦

[marble lagoon]

yeah just easy to get them confused lol

[toxic pewter]

hes her son

[marble lagoon]

that makes it even worse

[hardy snow]

we are cruel beasts

[toxic pewter]

ya we killed her baby boy

and took his ring

then we did the same to his mommy

we def are the bad guys

[dark barn]

will wear the remembrance of my crimes in my own hands

[strong forum]

its a talent you gotta actively pick

so it will come at a cost

at the cost revenge dmg, not alot of dmg, but dmg regardless

great

i didnt get r1 algethar log

cuz we spent too much time running in the key cuz i had to wait for people...

or if i had good trinkets...

[brittle grove]

are we able to get a second full spark this week, or is it just a half?

[strong forum]

half

[brittle grove]

rippo

ty

[strong forum]

you get half a spark every week

first week was a freebie ontop

[brittle grove]

it just threw me bc of last week

yeah

[mellow harbor]

man im tried of spells, especially tank buster spells going through spell reflect

[haughty parcel]

is shadowed impact buckler a trap, seems like a decent crafted item

[nova rover]

hey guys really Gholak over forgestorm?

[grim pilot]

what is this trinket

[raven hemlock]

guys new prot here, i just dropped one hand sword from infinite should i still spend my 2 bullions to fyrak weapon first?

[zinc iris]

Is there a like

Survival build?

These 10 keys fuck

[strong forum]

Yes, forgestorm doesn't even close to the power of gholak

[lusty grotto]

its bad

[lusty grotto]

yes

[strong forum]

Yeup, uncapped Ruby go brr

[lusty grotto]

get gear, play your defensives better, have hero treemouth, thats about it

[strong forum]

I gotta have a clean pad run of BH

[lusty grotto]

whats your highest dps

so far

[strong forum]

As dps or tank

[lusty grotto]

250k?

as a tank

[strong forum]

300k

In algethar

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[strong forum]

Without Aug

[lusty grotto]

oh i mean in BH

[strong forum]

BH I didn't have a clean run

250k

[lusty grotto]

yeah mines around that

[strong forum]

But I was 495

With old tierset

I'm 512 now

So I should do slightly more dmg

(still have S3 trinkets tho)

Had a 630k algethar today tho as dps

[lusty grotto]

yeah i have 0 dps trinkets

[strong forum]

My goal is 400k+ without Aug as tank

But I need actual gear for that

Still running loads of shit gear

[lusty grotto]

poor chipadin

[strong forum]

I don't bother signing to anything below 10

[lusty grotto]

well chipadin has like

no io, lol 1706

[strong forum]

Cuz only lowbies are doing below 10

I did a +9 AA as tank cuz I couldn't get invites as arms

And I was legit competing with 2 other dps

The dps did 340k 300k 300k and then me with like 296k as tank

Was not a fun experience

[lusty grotto]

lmaoo

[strong forum]

Especially when I beat 2 of the dps on ST

With 140-170k ST dps... As tank...

Also had 2 priests PI the warlock/mage when I was dpsing

When I did like 2x the warlocks/mages dps

They didn't think to check if the other one was actually worth to PI

[lusty grotto]

yeah

that fucking sucks

[strong forum]

So they just default to "yeah obv I PI the caster and not the warrior with famed slayer title and 512 ilvl"

[lusty grotto]

sometimes they have the WA with the whisper thing

well

kind of a rare case i guess

[strong forum]

In high end guilds they do

But pugs just default to PI'ing the class that's on paper a good PI target

Irrespective of if said player is even remotely playing well

But sometimes I do get PI right off the bat

:3

Makes me feel cute

[lusty grotto]

i can relate

[nova rover]

Thanks 🙂

[pallid quiver]

The builds provided are the survival builds; except for additional bleed damage, all of Prot's damage focused talents funnel directly back in to survival.

So your options, like people mentioned, are pressing more buttons, using defensives better, or getting better gear

[zinc iris]

Yeah at this point it feels like a gear issue

My arms is 510 but I drop to 505 for prot and these 10s as Fort Bolst hits so hard

[strong forum]

I've personally not experienced that the keys hit hard

[lusty grotto]

me neither

[strong forum]

But I also only did BH and AA so maybe it's other keys that do

[torn gulch]

some stuff on bolstering does

[lusty grotto]

except for huge fucking pulls

[torn gulch]

like uldaman some pulls

[pallid quiver]

trash in +2s on tyr murdered pug tanks tho

was funny as hell

[strong forum]

I've seen some funny vdhs

[pallid quiver]

but for the few I've tanked, it's been sleep mode

[strong forum]

Flop over to thin air

[pallid quiver]

something something first rlp

[strong forum]

Or bdks getting 1shot 100-0 in Azure Vault first boss

And proccing cheat death on cd

Very interesting stuff

[torn gulch]

some stuff in hoi hurts as well on bolstering
or the rock guys in AV if they are bolstered and not controlled

[ionic fern]

Je, HoI was surprisingly painful.

[urban bane]

the dragons and ice sharders?

[lusty grotto]

doubtful

those are avoidable

[urban bane]

:O TIL

[lusty grotto]

and spell reflect goes brr against the icecaller

[ionic fern]

Je, but i took them like a man.

[lusty grotto]

breath is just outrange it

from dragons

you can play stops on icecallers, reflect it or spell block it

hoi doesnt really hurt, i did a 12 today

[urban bane]

dang i knew you could outrange breaths but never thought bout doin it there

[lusty grotto]

front packs might

a little bit depending on pull size

[ionic fern]

We pulled everything at the front.

And bolstered them.

[lusty grotto]

those were chunking me in front

[ionic fern]

To the point where they took like 80% of my HP with SB up.

[lusty grotto]

even while playing serpentine with the bleed frontals

yeah lol

i like it ngl (the big front pulls)

i just hate the dungeon cause it still feels way too long

[pallid quiver]

Speaking of funny VDHs, I just ran into one who couldn't survive Rashok tank combo

He was taunting right and all

but he would just explode as soon as he got touched

[lusty grotto]

lol

[ionic fern]

I tried to heal a VDH on m0 who just double leaped and glided into 3 packs while everyone else couldn't keep up and then went "???? Healer??"

Good times.

[lusty grotto]

[pallid quiver]

I will not get over tanks who just die alone and then blame healers; shit's so baffling to me every time

like, when I'm on my prot war, I don't need a babysitter attending to me 48/7

and yet if i'm not spam healing some of these tanks, they just explode

I really should dig into logs and just see what's happening one day

[strong forum]

Yeah...

The amount of bdks who I had to dig out of purg...

Or vdhs who just blow up

[raw parcel]

Thatll be me if I play a vdh. Just... kaboom, dead

[pallid quiver]

that was me trying to level a DH through timewalking with ghash that one time

on top of that, i hated the idea of playing a dh and actually playing a dh so much

i went and made a second warrior instead to play with ally friend chars

so now i have two wars

[urban portal]

nome healing?

[lusty grotto]

0 fel spikes, and no sigil down with illuminated sigils will do it

[pallid quiver]

And with MoP crack edition, I'm gonna have 3

[urban portal]

rather people macro spikes to every button

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, he's got a Shimmy Sham he rocks

[urban portal]

than not spiking at all

[pallid quiver]

Funny enough, my current most played alt is also a shimmy sham

though i main enhancement on it and only heal on the side

though i don't really get into any raids as enha because it's not 54x or whatever mythic ilvl is

[rose pier]

Hey. Which item should i upgrade first ? Shield or armor pieces ?

defensive wise

[jagged pier]

shield

[rose pier]

ty ❤️

[vocal cave]

do I skip thunder clap to use outburst for shield slam or jsut fire and forget?

[jagged pier]

u should prio using it on SS

until like +7 targets

but even then SS is the prio

[vocal cave]

even if it means waiting globals?

[jagged pier]

however if u need to wait more than 2 GCDs u just send

[vocal cave]

ty

[sand pebble]

is this enough haste?

[oak ivy]

I really wanna play VDH cuz the dps i play with blast and give me threat problems, but man I hate the staying alive profile

[grim pilot]

vdh has threat issues

because you either spend sigils on gathering

or while they're gathered

[oak ivy]

i just am so used to hurrdurr press shield block and IP that panicking and actually having a fluctuating healthbar is so foreign to me

[sand pebble]

hehe play bdk - you want to take as much damage as possible that wont kill you so your deathstrike heals you for as much as it can (instead of overhealing 60-90%) so it generates a blood shield for 80% of the amount it healed

[oak ivy]

I played BDK when it was turbo OP in S3/4 shadowlands but im not a huge fan of the way it's changed in DF

[warm plinth]

You don't need to spend sigils to gather though? You have throw glaive o_O. Also there's a bug with sigils anyway where if you pull with sigil of flame it won't generate the threat properly.

[grim pilot]

yeah if its outside of combat

but if youre pulling whole packs

throw glaive wont help that much

(eb)

[warm plinth]

How won't it help? It still aggros the pack

Use your silence sigil if you need to gather a caster pack to another caster pack, but otherwise throw glaive works just fine

[rose pier]

Newbie question but why do we equip on brasser + back the crafted gear ? Do i lose anything if i craft a belt instead of the back ?

[warm plinth]

Cloak and wrist are the two lowest stat budget slots (you get less stats from upgrading those slots than any other slot). Since you can't have max ilevel crafted gear, using those for embellishments is the least loss of stat for the ilevel.

[rose pier]

Oh i see thanks

[dusky canopy]

No you need over 9000 or shield slam doesn’t work

[prisma obsidian]

any one else notice the prot tier set proc when your in arms spec?

[grim pilot]

There have been reports of tier sets bugging

My guilds dh said he had veng tier set on havoc

[stark lance]

What are best picks for bullion if i onyl do m+? I actually have fyraks, ghola but old versions.

[dusky canopy]

Legendary

Wait

Gholak

I read that as you had both

If you primarily play Prot and M+ do gholak

[lusty coyote]

Iam experiencing problems holding aggro this season, has anyone encountered this ?

Even when a big pull is well on the way, large aoe burst seem to rip them mobs off

[dusky canopy]

Are there large gaps in ilvl?

TC/Rend and Roar should be more than enough to maintain aggro

[lusty coyote]

10 ilvl maybe

Its not currently

[dusky canopy]

Is it more so while you’re grouping?

[magic rain]

hey guys, dumb question, does shadowflame proc the fire ring?

[dusky canopy]

Or people rip mid pull

[dusky canopy]

Yes

[magic rain]

great, ty!

[lusty coyote]

Its both really.

During the gathering phase, its thier fault ofc

but mid pull

[grim pilot]

shouldn't really happen

[dusky canopy]

Revenge this season is still kinda dogbutt, make sure you’re keeping SS and TC on cd when you’re supposed to

[lusty coyote]

Iam aware of that 😄

[dusky canopy]

It was weird for me to play S3 because I was so used to spamming revenge

You actually TC a lot more with current bonus

[lusty coyote]

Aight

[oblique garnet]

which set is it

[spice orbit]

hey that's me to this day. I wonder at what key level you ever have to thing about when to spend your SB

[lucid zealot]

i know this has been asked 10000000000 times. im starting m+ soon ilvl 466. i have a 502 haste/vers weapon and a 424 ring. am i wrong to go for the ring instead of fyrakk weapon as my first bullion buy?

[lusty grotto]

yes

very wrong

gholak first

it'll help you inmensely for agro

[hardy snow]

And when you start doing M+ - you may find ring upgrades anyway.

[lucid zealot]

tyyyy

[plush tendon]

Gholak first is huge value

especially when you consider Mythic Eranog is super puggable

and Mythic Fyrakk aint

[rapid jewel]

can someone tell me why Augury of the Primal Flame kinda sims "low", all my test so far in beats everything. Is it just because of crit < main stat?

[plush tendon]

pretty much

Augury looks nice on details, but it has to overperform on details because of the prim stat loss

[rapid jewel]

ty

[plush tendon]

not a bad trinket by any means

but there are some real banger trinkets available

[rapid jewel]

yeah I really like it, it has less rng or restriction over anvil or signet brand

[plush tendon]

Anvil is a must must imo

its just stonks

Signet is nice in raid if the fight is long enough

and Grieftorch I think is a trinket everyone should get

for both raid and some dungeons; last boss bracken is a prime example of the power of grieftorch

then you got rageheaart, dreadplate, All-Totem, and even Splinter from Bracken

[stark lance]

what if i have 476 gholas and 473 fyrak

[plush tendon]

?

[rapid jewel]

yeah we "only" raid hc, the fights aren't that long for signet. Greiftorch is probally the next in line then.

[stark lance]

Is it still worth to get gholak first?

[plush tendon]

Fyrak what?

Rageheart? Axe?

[plush tendon]

100% would not go signet then

Im not a fan of signet in M+ and it really only makes sense on those longer fights

Anvil is much easier to keep up since the countdown is 15 seconds, but you can activate it to reset that 15 seconds

[plush tendon]

Gholak is your BiS wep; I dont want to assume, but chaces are you arent killing Mythic Fyrakk on fated

so getting your BiS wep is the way as bullion is most likley the only way you get it anyways

unless you play arms/fury and need to upgrade lego axe

[pallid quiver]

I'm obligated to step in and mention that augury is the most RNG of those three trinkets; it can potentially be a very gamba trinket, since it can notably high or low roll

[lusty grotto]

you got that backwards, augury IS more rng

oh

luerce mentioned it

sorry slow morning

[oblique garnet]

Idk always just highroll sounds like a skill issue

[lusty grotto]

😦

[crystal iris]

I find I have a lot of aggro issues on prot

[sullen gust]

In what content?

[lusty grotto]

speaking of which @pallid quiver

[crystal iris]

like the big tree pulls in BH, every time lashers spawn if I dont have at least a TC, Revenge and something else AOE ready to go I lose aggro

[lusty grotto]

guy pulled RLP and insta died lmao

[crystal iris]

M+

[lusty grotto]

have big gholak, and no agro issues

[humble schooner]

I watch timers for those, save TC for their spawn and then revenge, usually enough for them to stay on you

[crystal iris]

I used to play prot pally and it was so nice when everything that touched your consacration aggroed to you

[humble schooner]

Those pulls are usually hectic, so not always possible

[crystal iris]

and as you pull in massive pulls you can divine toll to get everything

its like I wish I had something that was always around me like ground effect, rushing jade wind, immo aura just to aggro things

[lusty grotto]

nah

we're fine

[sullen gust]

Those pulls can be annoying to group, I find generally speaking if you have a thunder clap+revenge, it's not the end of the world if it takes a couple shield slams to get everything in line. Ideally though if you have a ravager/troar/Shieldcharge you can space them out a little and always have something to pull aggro quickly alongside your aoe taunt

[lusty grotto]

you just need to learn how to dps

[crystal iris]

plus when im gathering I want to spend rage in Shield block at least once before revenge

[lusty grotto]

so press more SS

why mention revenge

[crystal iris]

because SS only hits one target?

[lusty grotto]

so?

it also resets Tclap

[crystal iris]

so how does that help me grab aggro on multiple mobs

[lusty grotto]

with 4pc

[plush tendon]

SS is prio number 1

[lusty grotto]

idk man do you have a log

it seems like a you issue

[crystal iris]

sure

it is a me issue

why do you think im here lol

[lusty grotto]

do you have a log then?

[crystal iris]

remember when i said this?

give me a second lol

[lusty grotto]

kk

[crystal iris]

I offspec prot, because I find it fun, so there will be a lot of mistakes

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Wg2yQFxq3P4NTJnX#fight=last

[lusty grotto]

first of all

why dont you have gholak

did you go leggo first?

[crystal iris]

remember when I said this?

[lusty grotto]

(i did that as well cause im arms in raid)

[crystal iris]

yes Im arms / fury main

[lusty grotto]

no need to be an ass

[crystal iris]

sorry

but yes, leggo first

[lusty grotto]

ok

well you got 2 choices here

max your weapon, if you maxed your leggo it should be free

max your shield, if you maxed your leggo it should also be free

and/or farm Nok for a strike twice and max upgrade it

[plush tendon]

eh, you dont need Strike Twice

[lusty grotto]

you cant expect to keep agro with a 506 weapon

vs a maxed legendary pally

[plush tendon]

yea; just need to pump it

[lusty grotto]

aka 535 ilvl

[plush tendon]

or get lucky in raid

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats why i mentioned it

[crystal iris]

Ya I can loot prot in NO

[lusty grotto]

free as in it should only cost flightstones

[crystal iris]

I need to find a shield, I dont want to loot spec prot in most places because I need the DPS gear

[lusty grotto]

in that log your main hand is 506

should max asap

like now

[crystal iris]

just did haha 🙂

[lusty grotto]

ok, do your shield as well

[crystal iris]

its s3

[lusty grotto]

i think thats maxxed in the log

oh true

ok spam Nok and AV if you want some okay sidegrades for both of those, when you have free time

Nok for strike twice, AV for haste versa shield (cause blizzard decided not to put a haste crit shield on DF dungeons)

[crystal iris]

I could also run this instead of the stormkeepers boon

[lusty grotto]

yeah you could

[crystal iris]

1min CD on AOE and 33% dam increase

[lusty grotto]

or gnarlroot branch if you have it

[crystal iris]

playstyle wise, are the abilities im using at the start of pulls ok?

[lusty grotto]

oh wait thats an awakened anvil

yeah forget what i said

[crystal iris]

I noticed im overcapping sometimes on rage, but im my mind im MASHING IP the entire dungeon

[lusty grotto]

youre using Tclap way too much

like WAY too much

[dark barn]

My offtank in raid is DH. Keeping my aggro is just a suffer. And i use one damage trinket and a defensive. He use two defensive trinkets. The difference of damage is still high

[lusty grotto]

SS is your highest prio like i mentioned

it may not sound like it should be especially in big aoe situations, but it should

[lusty grotto]

leggo

[kindred knoll]

so I see in guides to pick Gholak, the Final Conflagration as my first Bullion choice. Do I wait till next week to see if I get it or just buy it now?

[lusty grotto]

buy it now

[kindred knoll]

ty that was my gut feeling

[lusty grotto]

only us leggo upgraders get to wait

[dark barn]

DH dont have leggo

[lusty grotto]

EVERYONE ELSE buys gholak, no buts or ifs about it

[lusty grotto]

oh i read DK

press more SS

[dark barn]

The problem is dh top damage prot bottom damage

[crystal iris]

I try to use the outburst proc on TC is I see that I dont have aggro on some mobs in a big pull

[lusty grotto]

DH shouldnt be hard to match agro on

[crystal iris]

sometimes i waste it on a boss or a single target tho

[lusty grotto]

doesnt matter for threat

at least not tank vs tank threat

VDH shouldnt give you issues to match threat with

do you have a log?

[strong forum]

I doubt you have threat issues when playing well as prot

I put out like 160k dps ST

Surely your cotank isn't doing like 300k

[lusty grotto]

uhh i woudlnt do that, but in big BH pulls you just dont wanna hold out for an SS anyway so its kinda fine

yeah nome

[strong forum]

Like, yes vdh does more dmg

But it ain't bad enough to have threat issues

[crystal iris]

also how bad is it If I just sit in Def stance the entire key?

[strong forum]

Whatsoever

Well you lose ~6-7% dmg

By doing so

Which is like 10k+ dps

But not bad perse

You just do less dmg

[crystal iris]

6-7% as opposed to being in battle stance the entire time tho

which no one is really right?

[strong forum]

I am

But that's also me

[crystal iris]

youre the parry god tho

[lusty grotto]

im in battle stance most of the time as well

dstance is just a defensive for me

[crystal iris]

is heroic throw a good option for getting aggro back on a mob during a pull when taunt is on CD?

[strong forum]

But gotta, say i often forget I can go d-stance for trash mobs, I only remember d-stance exists for bosses xd

[crystal iris]

or once aggro is gone, im better to charge over there?

[strong forum]

Heroic throw has a minimum range

But yes it's better than nothing if it's out of range

[crystal iris]

Im talking if a mob is running out to a range player

[lusty grotto]

challenging shout, heroic leap to reset taunt

[strong forum]

But you better make your ass over there

And yeah, use aoe taunt frequently

[crystal iris]

hahah ya ive been trying to

[strong forum]

And liberally

[crystal iris]

with varying degrees of succes

[lusty grotto]

i mean

[crystal iris]

range feels small

[lusty grotto]

you had an non-upgraded weapon

that right there

is the #1 factor in dps/threat

cause weapon ilvl-> weapon dmg affects all your abilities except devastator

so bigger weapon, you do bigger slams and claps

therefore more threat

[crystal iris]

feels super solid though. Like I havent really tanked this season, hopped into a 9 and felt very solid

[lusty grotto]

and especially compared to a 535 aka maxed leggo

[dark barn]

I found this one https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/L9tGKh6XHvAVbdyx

Pls review my rotation

[crystal iris]

alright I'll give that a try, thanks

[lusty grotto]

do you remember which fight you lost threat to the vdh?

your tclaps in terros are weirdy low

[plush tendon]

Prot War shouldnt lose threat to VDH

in fact... @limpid ruin rips the boss from me

[lusty grotto]

19 cpm on SS is okay kind of

[dark barn]

I dont remember just happened some times

[lusty grotto]

you lost threat on sennarth but only cause you were probably out of range?

and your SS cpm on it is bad

[dark barn]

Maybe DH was doins wront taunts and i dont noticed? Lol

[lusty grotto]

so it was probably range issues

no

[limpid ruin]

It does look like a lot of you outburst casts are going into TC which I quite bad for ST damage. You also want to make sure if get a SS in when you taunt.

That is definitely possible he’s not gapping you in damage on any of these

[dark barn]

Yeah im trying to stop and wait more times is just a anxiety problem kkk

[lusty grotto]

i checked torment casts, they were correct

at least on terros and sennarth

would really need a fight where you remember losing threat

cause i gotta run keys on chipadin and not scan a log

):

and by run keys i mean get spammed decline even if i had 3k io last season on this alt

[dark barn]

😦

Im just running 8s to farm haste equipments

My haste is low right now

[lusty grotto]

so is mine

[humble schooner]

try to run 9's, saves you an extra run for upgrading

[lusty grotto]

but that shouldnt be an excuse

(:

anyway if you do remember which fight you lost agro

let me know, otherwise i guess i can check each fight in a bit

Stoat King! is right though, you need to use outburst on SS

[dark barn]

Yeah that really helps

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/ermine-sniff-gif-19466688

[rapid jewel]

does the helm enchant scale with helm itemlevel?

[plush tendon]

Its Stoat King!

[lusty grotto]

yes

[lusty grotto]

idk what youre talking about

[plush tendon]

[lusty grotto]

its stout

like the beer okay

[toxic pewter]

how come in group with 2 paladins i didnt get a single freedom during entangling

[lusty grotto]

if it was chipadin

you would get them all

[plush tendon]

you think they took the freedom talent?

helping the tank; good jokes

[toxic pewter]

the ret had the freedom talent

[plush tendon]

[lusty grotto]

most fucking rets you have to mention it to

[toxic pewter]

and the holy i dont think they can get it right

[plush tendon]

he would have to hover over your party frame

[toxic pewter]

HE WAS FREEDOMING THE HOLY PAL LOL

[plush tendon]

thats like a whole mouse movement

[lusty grotto]

or remind them that freedom fucking invalidates uldaman's final boss

[toxic pewter]

ENTIRE run*

just wild

like if anything if ret freedoms holy the holy could of given me even a single freedom

[lusty grotto]

chipadin is ready, take me with you apb

[toxic pewter]

dang 508 nice

im getting 2500 rating then going to do pvp

until pandaria

[lusty grotto]

sounds like a plan

come tank my 9 RLP

(:

[rapid jewel]

do you hate him that much?

[lusty grotto]

easy dungeon-rino

wdym

RLP is easy

[humble schooner]

RLP is easy sauce now, been nerfed to where its actually decent now

[lusty grotto]

idk i like RLP its short and fast

yeah for sure

[toxic pewter]

im gonna go walk dog

before it rains

[humble schooner]

first boss can kinda suck at times if healer isn't up to snuff

[toxic pewter]

big storm rolling through

[rapid jewel]

I kinda hate that dungeon, annoying to group stuff.

[toxic pewter]

rlp trash harder than boss this week

[lusty grotto]

yeah well thats a group issue

line of sight

is your friend

[toxic pewter]

ya

[oblique garnet]

Logging off is your best friend tho

[vocal skiff]

Do you folks default to Spell Block in all dungeons?

[lusty grotto]

yes

s3/s4 tier set makes spell block default

on everything, except some high raid parse runs

[plush tendon]

Spell Block is just too damn good

some dungeons you prob dont need it though

[lusty grotto]

its useful on all of them

i cant think of one that doesnt benefit from it

[plush tendon]

Bracken?

Academy?

[lusty grotto]

AV you deal with spell cleaves, RLP with random nukes, HOI with icecallers, Nok with storm elemental area

hmm

academy might be one i guess

if you z axis the whirlwind, you dont really need it i guess? there are some nukers between vexamus and crawth though

[oblique garnet]

Definitely need spellblock in all places

[lusty grotto]

bh is probably one

but only if you have good stops/kicks

rotsingers and mystics come to mind

[vocal skiff]

Spell block's potency aside, what about current tier set makes it default?

[lusty grotto]

cause in s2 we had to swap it out for bolster

i dont think we swapped it out in s1

i cant remember, i dont think we did

[limpid ruin]

AA it’s useful for big elemental and elemental boss. Not sure if I would say it’s necessary. BH it’s probably not worth (at least to me)

[plush tendon]

Spell Block is a great button no question

[lusty grotto]

yeah vexamus

[plush tendon]

but I agree with Stoat... less useful in AA and BH

[lusty grotto]

BH is the big ask

and like i mentioned BH's swapping really depends on your groups stops and kicks

[plush tendon]

but opportunity cost to take it is really low

[lusty grotto]

uhhh

what tank have i invited

[waxen cradle]

back away slowly, and then run away

[waxen cradle]

dont need it ?

[lusty grotto]

bro uhh

[plush tendon]

gotta pad

[waxen cradle]

ok is he trolling or just clueless ?

[plush tendon]

depends; weekly key wanna max damage

dont take shockwave

[waxen cradle]

or maybe both ?

[lusty grotto]

oh well

its fine

[plush tendon]

doing something real, maybe take shockwave

[lusty grotto]

lul

[plush tendon]

man gives 0 fucks

[waxen cradle]

lol disrupting shout and no thunderlord, I mean I like his commitment to saying he does not need it.... is he wrong OH yeah, but hey gotta let him be him I guess

[toxic pewter]

sudden death over thunderlord ehhh

[waxen cradle]

^^^^

[toxic pewter]

also no enduring defenses lol

[waxen cradle]

lol

[toxic pewter]

this dudes blocked hits gonna prob suck ass

[waxen cradle]

^^^^this

[humble schooner]

invited a Quel'Thalas player, first problem right there lol

sometimes they are fine, but more often then not, not that great >.>

[waxen cradle]

hey hey hey, I think Nimchip is just trying to prove all the rumours wrong about them being bad

[humble schooner]

mission failed

[waxen cradle]

lol

[lusty grotto]

hes actually doing fine

[waxen cradle]

@_@

[toxic pewter]

yah I am sure all will go ok and be timed

war stomp over shockwave though.. def not actually awful imo lol

shockwave so annoying to get and I guess they do sort of do the same thing

but he also not running intimidating shout or stormbolt lol his stops not great

[plush tendon]

I have little faith in Quel'Thalas, Rag, Azralon players I find in LFG doing low level keys; but once you start doing some big boy stuff, they are perfectly fine (and some are just absolute chads)

[lusty grotto]

its ok i carry dps

also he tanked melidrussa just fine

[polar wedge]

does it have a hgher chance to proc 2P if you have it twice?

(like 2 parts from S3 and 2 from S4)

[lusty grotto]

no

they dont stack

[humble schooner]

I need leggo, I was going to be prot this season but ended up going ret, doing decent but without lego losing a lot of potenial damage

[tall sky]

is this trinket better than the flame one

[waxen frigate]

I’d say yes but it’s pretty close

[jagged pier]

its better than both

[waxen frigate]

It’s definitely better than whelp shell tho

[plush tendon]

Id run Dread and Decoration tbh

[waxen frigate]

^

[plush tendon]

thats actually what Im using now XD

Ive been unlucky with trinkets

[waxen frigate]

Whelp shell is ass

[waxen frigate]

Go look at brew mythic leaderboard trinkets

[tall sky]

oh thought you couldnt use 2 use trinkets

[waxen frigate]

I stand alone in my dogshit trinkets

[plush tendon]

you can

20 seconds after the other

[plush tendon]

my best trinket is a 528 Ward of Faceless Ire

[tall sky]

gotcha

[plush tendon]

[waxen frigate]

519 deco

And bandolier

[plush tendon]

Literally prot paladin at home right now

[waxen frigate]

LMAO

“I sac’ed you”

[plush tendon]

its a great trinket though

800k shield on a 1 min cd

just no damage

which can be used on yourself

but its obviously a 'for the group' type of trinket

[lusty grotto]

garbage ass warrior left

cause "dps was low"

the fuck

timeable

except the fucker stood still to type that dps was low every single goddamn pack

a nice personal blacklist addition 🙂

[outer bronze]

is shocking disclosure or str pot generally better for our damage in keys?

[lusty grotto]

standard pot

[outer bronze]

danke

[pallid quiver]

God at least when I died during timewalking, it's because I pulled like an idiot

[waxen cradle]

I salute your attempt to prove he was not bad at the start Nimchip

[humble schooner]

I mean, he isn't exactly wrong, what the warlock doin' lol

[toxic pewter]

yeah but it still could of been timed

[humble schooner]

oh yaeh

[toxic pewter]

that warrior bring shame to all of us

I disavow that individual

and cast him into exile

[waxen cradle]

Well in the broad term of things "some" dps were bad, but its very clear not "all dps" were bad so he is in fact wrong in one way and right in another

[lusty grotto]

we had 5 mins into last room

guy pulls pack and then doubles into mini boss

wipes us

[toxic pewter]

wtf who pulls that much into that mini boss

[lusty grotto]

"i was just here to time this"

leaves

[waxen cradle]

clearly Nimchip was carrying the hell out of the dps, so to say all dps was low is a lie

[lusty grotto]

it was an easy time

im so fucking angry

[toxic pewter]

that was not a dps issue thats just a bad pull

[lusty grotto]

i was so angry i told the group fuck it ill go prot

[toxic pewter]

you gotta take that mini boss alone especially on fort week

[lusty grotto]

but alas the dps was indeed not there to 4 man it

😦

[humble schooner]

😦

[toxic pewter]

sucks

[lusty grotto]

here we go again

[waxen cradle]

maybe if the fail prot warrior had ran actual AoE talents his dps would have been better and all would have had a easier time

[lusty grotto]

and for context i absolutely HATE prot paladin, i never play it, last time i played it was to get legion mage tower

[dusky canopy]

Soon TM

[waxen cradle]

thus giving more than 5 mins at the end

[lusty grotto]

yeah youre not wrong

i was blinding lightning, kicking and hojing out my ass

and casts just kept going off and shit so warlock got deleted every pack

and/or monk

[toxic pewter]

yeah that prot warr doing himself and his groups major disservice

[waxen cradle]

Yeah I hated that guys mentality of "I dont need Shockwave" so on and so forth, and maybe you guys did make it to the end, but that attitude makes everyone else work harder too

[jagged pier]

I mean for his build that damage is fucking garbo

[pallid quiver]

The ego problem is wow is just something that will never be overcome

Players are just conditioned to think they're the God Kings of Mankind, and all should slobber at the thought of servicing them

[limpid ruin]

Ya it’s crazy how some people convince themselves they are some kind of king.

[waxen cradle]

I mean the fail prot warrior was right in his own way "HIS" dps was low

[dusky canopy]

Trying to make up for Garbo dps with more dps talents

[lusty grotto]

well

2 chested that 8

ez

i think we could have 3 chested but we pulled both dragons for some reason idk

[jagged pier]

like this was a 7 RLP i did ealier and i havent even got good gear and im using m+ talents

[lusty grotto]

yeah idk

i just dont want to think about it cause it ruined my morning

[jagged pier]

dont worry i had a healer just go afk

[lusty grotto]

lol

[jagged pier]

then not saying anything

so the key died

[lusty grotto]

i had a ret do that first key today

[vocal flame]

Jakey can you show us the breakdown?

[lusty grotto]

but instead he just dc'd

still timed

[dusky canopy]

SS owns

[vocal flame]

oooo ok

[jagged pier]

ray of anguish

owns

502 trinket that

[toxic pewter]

yah dreadplate actually a fun trinket

[vocal flame]

your trinkets alone almost do 30mil damage lol that is insane

[next pasture]

how do i not fucking die from tons of bleed damage (axes in algathar)? i try to ignore it but...

[elder tinsel]

Stun the casts to interrupt it, then chain your defensives. Swap to d stance if its really becoming a problem. Should live through.

[next pasture]

so it's supposed to hurt a lot? i used to just cc it but i feel like the group i play with misses other stuff that might need stuns, like mystic blast etc

[elder tinsel]

Any kind of dot (or unblock-able damage) like bleeds are gonna be rough, especially on a fort week (for adds anyways)

[next pasture]

is there a reason dots seem to just melt ignore pain?

[jagged pier]

because dots hurt

[elder tinsel]

^

We dont really have a good tool kit to deal with it, other than defensive cooldowns and trinkets

Or a really nice young and goated healer

[next pasture]

lmao

[rapid jewel]

go dwarf

[elder tinsel]

There is also that. 3min (?) bleed removal

[lusty grotto]

cauterize?

thats from evokers

[rapid jewel]

if you think about biter immunity, it doesnt remove bleeds since beta. Kinda a joke talent

[lusty grotto]

correct

[elder tinsel]

Main thing though scrim is if you are not dwarf or have a class (or someone in the group) that will help with bleeds, maybe stack double defensive trinkets for survivability

[lusty grotto]

for what specifically

[elder tinsel]

Waste of space it feels like

Hes referring to bleeds in AA

[lusty grotto]

you can play stops

same as basilisks in uldaman

[elder tinsel]

Aye, he said he usually uses em for the axes

[lusty grotto]

yeah just watch their cd

nameplate cds help a lot

[elder tinsel]

So he doesnt have em to stop since his group does help

Definitely get nameplate cds for sure

[rapid jewel]

and it is still kept unchanged in TWW, with a pickrate of probally < 0.1%

[elder tinsel]

Unfortunate, would of actually liked to see it be used alot. Would be nice to have another talent to swap between

[rapid jewel]

the idea of the talent is ok, the tuning is just horrible. CD to long, doesnt help with bleed or cc and the heal is not needed / to low

[toxic pewter]

is that an addon

or is that just like plater u talking about

[waxen frigate]

Weakaura

[lusty grotto]

literally the last 4 keys

8s btw

2nd nok pull btw

🙂

[waxen frigate]

What is mage’s job

Lust?

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[waxen frigate]

Bro you’re a windwalker who cares

Press SCK

[lusty grotto]

hes a monk

a very monk

what the fuck is going on

[waxen frigate]

LMAO

He’s barely even beating the mage

[lusty grotto]

3 back to back keys, someone dies consecutively, still timeable keys, very early, leave or d/c

i just... dont understand

[waxen frigate]

Just run your own key 5head

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

[waxen frigate]

Just run your own key 5head

It’s the magic solution according to everyone

[lusty grotto]

lol

[oblique garnet]

You need to run your own key and have PMA 8)

[lusty grotto]

im scared to ask

i feel a deez nuts joke coming

but fuck it, whats pma

[oblique garnet]

Positive Mental Attitude 😉

[waxen frigate]

Penetrate my anus

[lusty grotto]

OH

[oblique garnet]

And this is why youre 3rd rate player 8)

[waxen frigate]

You don’t even play

[oblique garnet]

But would you be able to outperform me despite this?

🙂

[waxen frigate]

Idk maybe

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-gif-25269231

[oblique garnet]

Ill concede on brewmaster because fuck that spec but doubt on the rest

[waxen frigate]

Eh, maybe. Definitely some that I’m not amazing at

And bear I don’t touch so that’s a default loss lmfao

I got pretty solid on ppala rotationally

[oblique garnet]

Ppala is easy

Well

All tanks are easy

[waxen frigate]

Game is easy for the most part

[oblique garnet]

Not wrong

Classic defo harder

[waxen frigate]

True

[raw plover]

should i take the neck ? or go for tier piece?

[waxen frigate]

They don’t have weakauras to play for them

Is that myth track tier

[raw plover]

hc all

[waxen frigate]

Either way it’s not a great neck on prot

[oblique garnet]

If its hc you can always get good rng

Tier takes time

And what nishi said

[waxen frigate]

Well we have 3 guaranteed pieces rn

And insta 4 set basically next week

[oblique garnet]

[waxen frigate]

2 cata charges and ksm/aotc token right now

[oblique garnet]

Oh yeah nish

[waxen frigate]

Sup

[oblique garnet]

I got alpha access

[waxen frigate]

Oh nice

I didn’t sign up lmao

[oblique garnet]

I didnt even know i was signed

[waxen frigate]

What am I gonna do, test the lack of brew changes?

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They are clearly trying to get me back into wow

[waxen frigate]

Dread it. Run from it.

Prog still arrives

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Never

I just play 2k and irl

[waxen frigate]

2K

Ain’t no way u became a sports game andy

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I always was

Mostly just nhl and fifa before

[fickle lake]

Why is the Neck not great? if we play Fyrakk Axe for the Neck Proc?

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Then they ruined both of those

And well jamepass has both madden and nba 24 so ive been playing a bit

[waxen frigate]

I miss nhl games those are fun

[waxen frigate]

The proc is basically a flavor effect lol

Woo you can absorb like… 100k nature damage

Pog I guess

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23 and 24 i tried career on both of those

Word for word the exact same lines

[waxen frigate]

Ultimate team ruined sports gaming forever

No incentive to make good career or franchise modes

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I like what 2k does with their ”career”