Well you’d upgrade it
#protection
tall sky
We can do all legion raids on mythic by our selves right
sameq uestion for bf rais. and nyalotha, do I need like a level 1 cape
warm plinth
We can do all legion raids on mythic by our selves right
I'm not 100% on Antorus but anything up to Tomb is very easy, though if you're undergeared or not very good, Kil'jaeden will still require you to do the orbs properly to not get knocked off
tall sky
gotcha thanks
pallid quiver
I'm not 100% on Antorus but anything up to Tomb is very easy, though if you're u...
Antorus is doable solo, but you have to be... crafty for eonar
by that, i mean go fast when on ship
unless they've nerfed it since
violet ginkgo
Also uh.... what are the strength and weakness if we compare these 3 trinkets?
Signet brand (Smolderon)
Augury
Elementium pocket Anvil.
pallid quiver
I wager it's been adjusted since the last time I touched it, since I do recall a change, but I could be wrong
torn gulch
Now we're playing the game
plush tendon
Also uh.... what are the strength and weakness if we compare these 3 trinkets?
S...
both pocket anvil and signet need ramp up time whereas Augury does not
but once stacked, Anvil and Signet are stonks
pallid quiver
Anvil's also easier to stack, since you can control it outside of combat
warm plinth
Signet is also harder to keep going than anvil because it loses its stacks over time instead of keeping them the entire out of combat duration. Anvil also has the on-use which can refresh that duration if needed.
plush tendon
Now we're playing the game
pallid quiver
augury is also casino trinket
violet ginkgo
Hmmm then if I pick 1 trinket which is obviously rageheart, then the other just pick augury instead of brand or anvil?
violet ginkgo
isn't that overall a good trinket for tank? either raid or mythic?
plush tendon
its a good trinket for its purpose
pallid quiver
It's outperformed defensively by treemouth, and offensively by the offensive trinkets
plush tendon
its does decent damage and a on demand shield, but its neither a full off or def trinket
warm plinth
It's a strong all around trinket
pallid quiver
It does give both, but it's outclassed in specific niches
plush tendon
prob worth a 4th or 5th bullion pick
I love how bullions are like draft picks now XD
torn gulch
at 535 it will have an enormous absorb for what it is
plush tendon
still not as a good as treemouth
torn gulch
1.5m+vers
torn gulch
still not as a good as treemouth
true
plush tendon
for that niche
pallid quiver
Yeah, not a bad trinket at all; just out performed when looking for specific niches
and you're often, if given the choice, looking to specialize with your trinkets, so
torn gulch
i think at 20-25% vers it gives 1.8m absorb+ damage
it's a good all around thrinket
plush tendon
since position in raid I would have to do Mythic Fyrakk to get
personally, for prot war raid Id run signet and anvil
torn gulch
i will use my second bullion for it as i like it more than splinter and granyth
plush tendon
in M+ weekly keys, prob Anvil and boon/dreadplate?
higher push keys, Cheat+ Rageheart/Treemouth/Ward of Faceless
torn gulch
higher push keys, Cheat+ Rageheart/Treemouth/Ward of Faceless
time to run hard mode this week and get vaporised by deios
doing 45m damage with one ability
torn gulch
i run with friends and they want all of it it takes like 1h it's not that bad
but deios hurts
plush tendon
again, for higher push keys thats like if you are pushing for title
otherwise, prob dont need cheat anyways (or get value)
violet ginkgo
personally, for prot war raid Id run signet and anvil
Hmmm so no need to go defensive trinket for raid? I might have to look at it for 3rd/4th bullion since 2nd buy is the ring as suggested.
plush tendon
Anvil is easy enough to get at Mythic I level
violet ginkgo
My guild has no plan to do mythic though and I am not sure I should bother with it too? I'll look later if I got it on the heroic aberrus on sunday.
plush tendon
idk if I would bullion signe?
plush tendon
My guild has no plan to do mythic though and I am not sure I should bother with ...
Mythic is dumb easy
honestly, if you are in a mythic raiding guild
I would ask your leadership to give some of the bosses a try
violet ginkgo
ah nah my guild doesn't have 20 people
plush tendon
well, heroic versions are fine
pallid quiver
i don't even have a guild, pure pug life
I haven't seen how aberrus has treated pugs yet, but if it's like last week,
2nd boss might be a little hard, dunno
vocal flame
doing 45m damage with one ability
its ok just do defensive stance lol
torn gulch
i was pumped like that in DS
plush tendon
oh, I also forgot about guzzie
plush tendon
Guzzie should be a contested 3rd pick up
This is what Nom/Wowhead recommends
honestly, not a terrible list
violet ginkgo
manic is that good? I am considering augury for 3rd buy.
plush tendon
though Im not sure the value of Icon without a coordinated group
plush tendon
manic is that good? I am considering augury for 3rd buy.
The guzzie is him
plush tendon
yea, Grieftorch=guzzie
no clue
but Guzzie be guzzling
and its does a metric shit ton of ST damage on demand and only gets stronger when people die
violet ginkgo
Also Gusto why your pick for raid is Signet/anvil, instead of augury/signet or augury/anvil?
plush tendon
For raid? They end up doing more
of course, fight length matters
so maybe Augury ends up better if fight lengths are shorter
vocal flame
anyone still using rezens? mine is still doing a ton of damage. Dont have many other offensive trinkets to use either
plush tendon
anyone still using rezens? mine is still doing a ton of damage. Dont have many o...
itll get outscaled by I level
loss of primary stat alone
vocal flame
itll get outscaled by I level
yeah that is what i was thinking too
plush tendon
I still use it on my DK over a 509 Whelp thing though XD
vocal flame
even random trinkets with better +strength etc dont sim better
plush tendon
but there are so many good strength trinkes to bullion/get in raid
vocal flame
but there are so many good strength trinkes to bullion/get in raid
yeah i agree down the road it wont be as good. still loving it now tho haha
plush tendon
Also Gusto why your pick for raid is Signet/anvil, instead of augury/signet or a...
Im also not a fan of Augury personally... but if you like it, go for it; I would put Anvil ahead of Signet
easier to use, keep stacks up
outer mango
Hello , wath would you recomand M+ with trinkets and wath for raid.. when playing prot ?
plush tendon
prob just scroll up a bit
violet ginkgo
the pin is uh... not bad but I prefer to see about people's choice like I asked you earlier. Why you choose X+Y combo instead of maybe A+B while they are all viable.
outer mango
Aah sorry! My bad will check it out thanks
plush tendon
the pin is uh... not bad but I prefer to see about people's choice like I asked ...
thats sort of the fun part about fated; with all these great options, there really isnt a wrong choice per say
stark gyro
If you wanted to craft a third piece for a flavor pocket, what's the recommended slot to do this assuming you already have crafted bracers and cloak? Between neck, belt, and boots I would assume it's neck?
placid oar
Hi guys, for Uld any advice on how to survive the golem that does AOE and the puddle drop? It was dropping my friends when it casts even though we tried to LOS. Appreciate some guidance
plush tendon
is that forth boss?
placid oar
It’s just a trash pack ☹️
daring kayak
Hello guys
placid oar
Trucked in a +10
daring kayak
i question what trinket take from bulions
play prot on M+ and arms for raid witch guil
guild
sole flex trynket beter for now
that will be the best or smg diffrent
plush tendon
Guzzie pretty cool
I know Arms wants to secure Lego upgrade
and Prot wants Gholaks
both prob want Durina Ring
so, at best, this is prob the best 4th bullion
Guzzie is super sick
rancid axle
if u want more arms leaning, could go brand aswell high singletarget trinket for his raid, and decent trinket for prot dmg option m+ wise :l
plush tendon
Signet brand requires good fight length
and its bit more annoying in M+.... IDK, I like guzzie
then when people die you get resets
rancid axle
is proc very often or rare
would be good while progging, and m+ is akward since gotta remain in combat. depends what ur doing more of/care about more
toxic pewter
what key level give portal to dungeon these days
ionic nimbus
what key level give portal to dungeon these days
10
toxic pewter
ok thank you
are groups expecting me to do some weird route in azure vault these days or what
dark barn
Results of 8 days of season, look good imo, just need more haste and less mastery (uldaman neck may help)
ruby kernel
are groups expecting me to do some weird route in azure vault these days or what
I didn't get any complaints about a press W route last week
toxic pewter
im just too old for these complicated ill pull entire rooms them jump down to some platform crap
just tiresome to me
plush tendon
I mean, yes you can just press W... but its less fun imo
raw plover
Results of 8 days of season, look good imo, just need more haste and less master...
Holy shit
waxen frigate
Results of 8 days of season, look good imo, just need more haste and less master...
Bro has zero haste
violet ginkgo
Azure is not that complicated though? I just do the M0 route without the jump from ring to 2nd boss plus triggering the first adds that's it the % is good enough
raw plover
Pretty stacked though
mellow harbor
we got it bois
waxen frigate
20% crit 
blazing condor
bro is versatile
undone beacon
Sims REALLY want me to take the Dragon Games Equipment from my vault
undone beacon
Both the helm and the ring have sockets pre-installed
Taking something from the vault simmed higher than grabbing two sockets but
I'm rocking the Dreadplate and Icon combo rn
violet ginkgo
we got it bois
wait 522? I thought DOTI is not on the rotation list?
undone beacon
Hard Mode DOTI gives hero track gear
open vault
Hi.
Is this BIS list trustworthy?
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-gear-best-in-slot?area=area_3
torn gulch
yes
the guide is made by mwahi who is one of the senior prot warrs in this discord
the cheat death?
it has only one function and that is ultra high keys
where if the tank dies key is over
hahahaha sneaky boy
hardy snow
yes
the guide is made by mwahi who is one of the senior prot warrs in this disco...
"senior" you mean experienced or just old?
hasty fulcrum
could someone tell me what breakpoints i should get my stats to? or point me to a guide?
torn gulch
"senior" you mean experienced or just old?
experienced
i don't even know his age i can't call him old
visual plume
How does theorycrafting even work, like, is it considered theorycrafting when I play Dagger prot warrior for single target dps?
strong forum
Na that's just you doing less dps
idle needle
How does theorycrafting even work, like, is it considered theorycrafting when I ...
u have an idea and then use math to prove ur idea is good
strong forum
Theorycrafting involves math, sims, critical thinking and common sense
visual plume
Well my idea was doing great til they introduced a cantrip non-dagger :(
Forced my hand
Try again next time I guess
idle needle
just feelycraft off of raw intuition
radiant mortar
Theorycrafting involves math, sims, critical thinking and common sense
I only have/can one of those
maiden nimbus
I just did an 8+ Azure Vualt and had a tough time w. the 4x Pack of Crystal Furys...I tried to use my stops to keep Piercing Shards from stacking, but couldnt stack enough stuns and my stacks got too high. Is there anything else i can do to better handle that pull, or do I need to rely on my group to help with stops?
Also, wasnt Intimidating shout spec...idk if that would work there as another stop
plush tendon
your group should help handle stops
however, I would like to suggest a alternative to that pull
visual plume
Depending on gear though, definitely just livable with personal stops and defensives, I did it on my War at 490
plush tendon
This pull can be done over the quadra shard
visual plume
It was last week, but I only ended up with 2 stacks with no one else in my group doing any stops, but I did also have Intim Shout
lusty grotto
stops and purges on their buffs are the only way you do big fury pulls
theres nothing else
aside from the obvious cycle defensives when having more than x amount of stacks
dawn canyon
@ionic fern howd i run into you when i trial something random 
ionic fern
Eh?
ionic fern
Oh. 😂
maiden nimbus
cool thanks guys for the input, was no issue on tyrannical last week, but smacked me pretty good this week
visual plume
This chat is so peaceful
lusty grotto
cool thanks guys for the input, was no issue on tyrannical last week, but smacke...
if you cant rely on your group, just stagger casts on multiple furies
as in dont get more than 2 stacks or by stunning just one
use stormbolt for that or hold your shockwave/fear for a 2nd cast instead of the 1st
maiden nimbus
very helpful thanks gives me some ideas for nex time
vocal cave
why is wowhead listing crit phial over vers one?
jagged pier
yer for most things
if its a boss like crawl u want vers
but generally crit is fine
plush tendon
but also more stats>less stats
prisma crane
mo stats mo better
waxen frigate
and the crit one is 1118
Not full uptime tho
Less stats all the time =~ more stats some of the time
visual plume
Less stats all the time =~ more stats some of the time
It's like 50% more stats and I almost never have lower than 80% uptime in any content regardless of spec
rose pier
Hi is Gholak bis even for M++ ?
lusty grotto
for everything
torn gulch
yes it is bis in all forms of content
rose pier
thx i got scared for a min
median tulip
The crit phial is less effective because I have so much crit already that it puts me into the next stage of DR
bleak breach
I just use tepid vers because I’m broke and I find the crit one makes such little difference it’s not worth my efforts
I’m in a love hate relationship with grieftorch, it’s cool to see your bloated damage numbers. But my OT just pops it whenever the hell he wants and there’s no holding threat off that thing
waxen frigate
pop your own
or, even better
let him take threat and die
in order to reset your own grieftorch
it's a win win
lusty grotto
just 4manned a nelth
mage died to trash after 2nd boss and left
lmao
this was a whole pug group too
hardy snow
thats a nice proc, and not yet max ilvl XD
warm plinth
just 4manned a nelth
You know it doesn't count if it's a +2 right
warm plinth
:p
lusty grotto
best log title
meta classes, most notably mage
being either
too fucking good as players
or fucking garbage
0 in-between
warm plinth
Boomie doing that huge S3 dps
pallid quiver
I keep seeing people flex numbers like that
And then i just look at them
like
it's fine to be happy you improved, but
lusty grotto
tbf i did fucking terrible too
pallid quiver
Don't act like you're in the 1% top players when you're nowhere near that
lusty grotto
also i keep forgetting to unequip the dumbass cheat
warm plinth
Seems like the mage actually would've been good too if he was still at 135k even though eh was only there half the run, no?
pallid quiver
It just devalues your actual achievement by making you look like a ponce
lusty grotto
id say he was in 40% of the run so yeah almost half
pallid quiver
Seems like the mage actually would've been good too if he was still at 135k even...
Worse than someone who stayed the entire time and did 135k tho
He could've still be providing barriers and all
lusty grotto
i mean 4 min over time with 4 people only for 60% of the run seems decent
vocal flame
blocked hit % is block uptime right?
lusty grotto
effective block uptime
not general block uptime
both are important and one includes the other
urban portal
This is good
lusty grotto
so what youre displaying would need to be closer to 100%
vocal flame
oh damn ok
lusty grotto
just general, you can see it in buffs
lusty grotto
it does for dps and threat
vocal flame
ah ok
warm plinth
Blocked hits is what that image is showing. Uptime is found in buffs and is only relevant if there are periods where you are hitting mobs but aren't actually tanking (e.g. taunt swap bosses in raid)
lusty grotto
yeap mostly
warm plinth
Since realistically you aren't likely to have a high blocked hits % if your uptime sucks
urban portal
Unless you click off your buff between mob autos
warm plinth
bleak breach
From a raid perspective if I’m not doing mythic this tier, are anvil or signet brand worth it? Most of my fights are within 2-3 mins. Was just thinking grief torch and augury instead?
visual plume
If I was playing prot this tier I would absolutely go grief
Probs even over Gholak or whatever the weap is called
Funny trinket go brrrrrrr
visual plume
Feel like it's more of a
Unneeded threat gen vs 30 sec cd
lusty grotto
thats your opinion
lusty grotto
its still not close to being an important pick realistically
especially on week 2 of the expansion where everything and everyone will out threat you with upgraded weapons
and even moreso now that leggo can be upped
bleak breach
Gholak>grief every day of the week
lusty grotto
yeah for sure
bleak breach
You’ll never replace Gholak and likely never get myth rank without bullions
visual plume
Man, that's gonna be rough when I tank my keys later this week since prot is what I main in M+ and not what I bought weapon for
Meet back in a week and I'l let you know if I ever lose aggro in a dungeon 👍
lusty grotto
im losing agro on 12s so
with a maxed hero strike twice (and awakened 4pc)
so good luck with that
since i raid as arms, i had to go leggo first
rich solar
you guys keep agro?
lusty grotto
for the most part
rich solar
lost agro to the pres evo
lusty grotto
but if im having slight issues
people that dont know or are new are absolutely losing every single bit of it
and ESPECIALLY people that didnt go gholak
because 400% damage on full health mob is incredible snap agro
bleak breach
Meet back in a week and I'l let you know if I ever lose aggro in a dungeon 👍
If you’re getting a trink for keys I’d go augury or all totem
visual plume
I got Leggo since I main Arms in raid
Gholak will be like a week 12 purchase if at all
bleak breach
They do massive amounts of damage in there, or signet/anvil but they’re harder to use because of uptime.
hardy snow
because 400% damage on full health mob is incredible snap agro
especially if it crits for 550k+ 😄
bleak breach
Gholak will be like a week 12 purchase if at all
If you don’t main prot, you’re a good chance to get hero Gholak next week anyway. Which won’t be much worse then myth
ruby kernel
Rerolled back to prot this patch and I was struggling with aggro a bit last week, but Gholak has solved a lot of that
visual plume
Cannot say I ever lose aggro on pulls outside of first 3 gcd's on DH
Can they make Sigils generate aggro pls
Flame specifically
ruby kernel
I'm premade with a Ret a lot of the time that doesn't give me a global. Though I would say generally that charge -> TC -> Shield Charge/Thunderous -> ? -> TC holds aggro decently well
rich solar
I'm premade with a Ret a lot of the time that doesn't give me a global. Though ...
? = aoe taunt
visual plume
I basically never pug, so I know how every person I play with plays, so I know when to front load GCD's into a pull depending on who I play with
ruby kernel
I think the pally I play with just likes an excuse to press bubble 😄
lusty grotto
most ret pallies are fucking idiots
trust cause my main alt is one
if they dont wait until shit is grouped up
they lose so much dps
and pull agro
its a lose/lose scenario
both for you AND for them
AND for the key
cerulean tusk
Ok, so you ranting about paladins, but what about...
||BDKs who pull 3 packs, dies, then blames the healer in partychat for not healing and then leaves.||
lusty grotto
any single ret that pops wings and final reck into a pull deserve to die
flat out
warranted
extremely well deserved death
torn gulch
i started to hate doing keys with ret palas
they unload -0.1s into a pull
pull not grouped not set up properly they just go nuts
and i am left scrambling to taunt and regain aggro on targets
i have a feeling that dh tank toolkit is teaching very bad habits to a lot of dps
pallid quiver
Ok, so you ranting about paladins, but what about...
||BDKs who pull 3 packs, d...
The classic
Bonus points if they have full runic power at the time
pallid quiver
On that note, while healing a fast babboo +2, I had a bear just fall over and explode when I wasn't there for a single pack, and he just instantly rage quit
The group found a bdk after when we all went "well, no reason to not go again"
And the BDK didn't use death strike until the first boss of hoi
And he took kess damage than the bear.
cerulean tusk
I always see interesting things when I dont skip straight to 10s on my alts.
I wouldnt believe such stories like you are telling - but I have now seen what cesspits WoW contain of players frolicing in their ignorance.
... it worries me.
Is that me? Am I that, only to the ones a tier above myself?
Enough to make one lose sleep thinking about it... what if.
pallid quiver
I mean we cleared with that bdk; he was easier to heal than the bear and he fell asleep at one point
As in literally just running forward visibly no cognitive faculties engaged
So it says more about the bear than the bdk
cerulean tusk
💀
vocal flame
since it has been a while for adding socekts to a neck do the the x 3 star first then the 2 star right?
lusty grotto
the reasoning behind 2 star is that 1 star settings are more expensive cause people like to take advantage of others
and 2 stars are cheaper
so its cheaper to buy 2x 2star
than 1 of each
vocal flame
ok so odd question, it looks like I am above the haste cap but to go below I have to swap out lower ilevel stuff. Just stay above it?
lusty grotto
yeah i dont think you have a choice
you could swap some gems maybe
and/or dont use wafting rune
vocal flame
ok sounds good
bleak breach
Buzzing rune and go crit verse sockets/enchants. About all you could do.
I had to change all my sockets and enchants at 1 stage last tier until I could swap some gear around.
mellow harbor
i wish rend on thunderclap was baseline for Prot, so i can take crackling thunder talent
lusty grotto
if they did that they'd have to replace 2 whole talents, you know blizzard is lazy 🙂
but yeah i do miss crackling, not because its needed but because of legion/bfa
nostalgia mostly
bleak breach
I miss banners and nelths fury
radiant mortar
How do I get aggro fast on new spawn like the wolfs in Nok or the dragon whelps in rlp? I have problems grabbing and holding the aggro especially with paladin and dhs
when they full send as soon as the mobs spawn and I dont have mass taunt up I dont get the aggro
lusty grotto
gholak
and/or do dps
on melidrussa use troar
or ravager
or challenging shout
with tclap
shouldn't be hard
beastcallers shouldnt be a problem cause the dogs wont really kill anyone
and even then, beastcallers are a waste to pull to begin with
take too long, spawned dogs dont give percent
its highly inefficient if you pull them
radiant mortar
Oh then I need to overthink my pulls in that part
I will try holding my cds for the whelps next rlp and see how it goes
lusty grotto
you shouldnt have an issue if you charge and tclap into slam with gholak
radiant mortar
Okay, I always stood on the boss to start chipping on the shield and positioned myself between her and the whelp. will try to charge next time
lusty grotto
your damage on the boss is reflect, which does nothing on shield phase
cause she doesnt cast while shes shielded
radiant mortar
👍
dusky canopy
@lusty grotto
ya boi jammin
got the priest to PI me right before 2nd pot and had fat ToM into full cds
lusty grotto
nice
dusky canopy
awe damnit!
lusty grotto
i see
yeah mine are doing CE push in TWW
so they decided to chill for this season
dusky canopy
hows the loot been
dusky canopy
are you a thic chef!?
dusky canopy
Bro literally same
still have s3 shit
Down reall bad
on trinkets
NoK/AA prison
all weekend
lusty grotto
i just cant do the farm
it bores the shit outta me and
burns me out
also i fucking hate puzzle box
so it'll be RLP/Nok for me
dusky canopy
I dont want it either
but its just to good
pre cast it isnt the end of the world for raid
kinda forces holding lego on pull too
so thats not the greatest
but sims too good
lusty grotto
yeah i know
visual sand
Anyone have a weakaura for tracking tier set procs/buffs?
visual sand
ty
kind glen
Where in Logs can I see the defensive impact of Enduring Dreadplate? Just kinda curious.
ionic fern
I don't think it shows up as a separate line anywhere outside of "Defensive Buffs".
kind glen
Okay ty. I liked the damage on it, but was just wondering if I could see a raw number. Ty Mwahi
ionic fern
No raw numbers unfortunately, but it's really strong due to it mitigating damage after absorbs, not before. The plates also only break after the dreadplates and absorbs mitigation has take effect, so it really holds up for us due to IP etc.
You will reach a point where you take enough damage to start breaking the plates consistently tho, be it in m+ or w/e..at that point it mostly just turns into a DPS trinket.
kind glen
Oh 100%, it felt great when it was up. But I guess that is a good point lol. Oh well hopefully by that point I've got good alternatives.
ionic fern
It still deals un-capped AoE damage as far as i know, which is amazing.
lusty tiger
Hi mwahi
lusty tiger
Good night mwahi 
ionic fern
Good night mwahi <:bedge:882323848844963860>
radiant mortar
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/1034418990946...
Is it important to track it?
ionic fern
Depends on the person i guess.
I personally don't track it.
raw parcel
So how has Blizz not nerfed vdh yet? 
Feels like they are asleep at the wheel this season
lusty grotto
this season?
lusty grotto
you mean 1 whole season and 2 weeks of the recent one
so not just "this season"
so a whole 6 months almost
ionic fern
I usually don't mind one tank being better than the others, but VDH is just stupid right now.
lusty grotto
it is stupid
but i dont think the magnitude is as big as previous expansions
just kinda weird how blizzard has ignored cc, buffs, and stuff thats not numbers since day 1 of WoW
also amount of defensives coughmage
raw parcel
At least the War Within tuning looks like it might be good for us? 
pallid quiver
Based on past trends, just pray for a rework
ionic fern
^
raw parcel
What would you guys want in a rework? Like a wish list?
pallid quiver
mop vengeance and shield barrier
do it you cowards
raw parcel
I've always felt our durability is fine but would like ways to gather mobs more easily, and some cool shit that other tanks can't do would be nice
ionic fern
-Provide competitive playstyle alternative for UF/Avatar, or better yet, make them baseline;
-Make AoE silence actually a silence similar to VDH and move it to General class tree;
-Make SR/TC baseline;
pallid quiver
how 'bout blasting the shit out of enemies so hard dps get mad, that's cool shit other tanks can't do
ionic fern
For starters.
raw parcel
What did mop vengeance do?
pallid quiver
-Provide competitive playstyle alternative for UF/Avatar, or better yet, make th...
In the current world we live in, I think these are all actual neat ideas, but I'm not sure if I want to live in our current world.
guess it depends on the landscape
pallid quiver
What did mop vengeance do?
scale your attack power to bonkers degrees with no cap, based on damage take before mitigation
it also indirectly encouraged you to stand in mechanics,
raw parcel
That sounds awesome and now I want it
pallid quiver
because you'd do shit tons more damage and have stronger shield barriers, which is IP except a 100% absorb
So it's a mechanic that's never coming back and for good reason
raw parcel
Vdh can silence everyone in the universe, let me be a fourth dps xD
ionic fern
Oh, and give us banners. Thanks.
pallid quiver
Vegeance ended up making it so tanks were the top DPS in the raid.
by a lot
And that's if you didn't stand in bad
raw parcel
I wants it
pallid quiver
Oh, and give us banners. Thanks.
That's the real thing I want back and thought was super cool in MoP were all of its banners
raw parcel
I wanna stand in flaming diarrhea shit and pop off
pallid quiver
I think that's also a neat way to give Prot War utility without taking away its class fantasy of big dude skilled in weapons go punchy and shouty
eager phoenix
does gholak and shadowflame embellishments procc diurna? wowhead says the schools are fire, shadow
lusty grotto
yes
eager phoenix
cool ty
pallid quiver
Actually, on the banner topic, I think it'd be super cool if there were like repeat effects or other affects if you intervene'd/charged a banner and what not
thorny stone
-Provide competitive playstyle alternative for UF/Avatar, or better yet, make th...
I think that avatar is one of the abilities associated with the concept of the warrior class, it should be either baseline or way higher on the talent trees
Its almost a capstone.
And give us a shout that provides BL 
this was useful, and we had an aoe pull on heroic leap on some version of the ptr on (shadowlands?)
tropic pond
does everyone have aggro problem? i have 511ilvl prot war, and sometiemes ret/havoc reap the aggro from me, even tho am using thunderous roar
grim pilot
Theyre extremely frontloaded
Most likely them ripping agro is on them
If they cant wait
When im playing havoc I wait till everything is +/- grouped, then I use sigil, the hunt and only then start doing real dps
So if they need to press their final reckoning or eye beam while youre still grouping let them die xd
pallid quiver
but if it's like an enha with a flame shock application causing an aggro pull, you might want to press some buttons
hardy snow
And upgrade your weapon - more dmg = more threat 
tropic pond
my wep is 522, i think that is more than enough, looking at the first big pull of many dungeon, i can only pull like ~500k dps top while vdh doin 1 mil, feels like our class doesn't scale much compare to other
ionic fern
Scale with what?
👀
Most of our abilities are capped at 5 targets, with a drop-off after that.
tropic pond
yeah if only we can do more
jagged pier
i feel like 500k is low im pretty sure i did that in some pulls last season
pallid quiver
i'm tellin' you, bring back mop vengeance, ezpz
it wouldn't even solve your immediate actual problem but blizz do it you cowards
raw parcel
Well low or not, everyone agrees vdh needs a nerf except vdhs xD
blazing condor
no one wanna be nerfed
i wouldnt mind being a tank powerhouse that deals 500k overall and can live anything
wouldnt wish it on any other class tho
sturdy cloud
One of us should get a job a blizzard to give prot some serious love
devout basalt
does prot need serious love? other than dam ofc
late wasp
I'm not a very good prot warrior player, I'm sure I'm leaving a lot of room for improvement but I'm still hitting 2k+ rio in the first rotation weeks of M+, I think prot warrior is in a good enough place from a general gameplay stance, VDH playijng with what could arguably be a cheat code utility kit is annoying but I feel like prot warrior is a good baseline
This opinion is not based in any hard data saying some tanks have it worse or better than prot warrior, just a personal anecdote
hardy snow
My issue is that we are like ~20k dps behind top tank specs in raid
blazing condor
ppl just make mountains out of mole hills or whatever the saying is
truth is every tank is viable and tank balance has been in a good spot
at the very top the difference is like 1-2 key levels
late wasp
As far as raids go, I'm there to survive, not to dole out damage. a 20k difference between tanks is a minor annoyance at best
If I want to think about things that made me hate the pwarrior kit, I'd be looking at mythic forgotten experiments and zskarn
those fights....they broke me trying to survive them
blazing condor
heard u liekd magic damge
late wasp
We prog'd on Forgotten Experiments and I'd always die on the P2/P3, we had a ret paladin swap to tank and I got sat and the boss died 3 pulls later. Demoralizing as fuck
late wasp
AA slows?
sturdy cloud
I guess I’m a less skilled prot war than a Bear. They are a world of difference imo. I’m maining a prot war this season instead of my Druid to see if it’s just lack of experience
hardy snow
and on experiments dot was applied by aa
jagged pier
easy clear times
late wasp
I...think we were using those but I could be wrong.
hardy snow
I remember me and my co-tank had some worked out moment for swaps at first boss, later on farm we didnt have two aa slows, instead of 3-4 stacks at swap I had 7
late wasp
Yeah I remember our "Strat" was always to clear at like 8 stacks or some insane amount
jagged pier
yer thts far too high
late wasp
Regardless, same approach with 2 prot pallies and the boss was down, so I was feeling pretty shit after that fight
jagged pier
I mean u should have been fine mwahi was clearing at 11 as the lowest ilvl in his raid as well at the time
Sounds like you werent doing something correctly
late wasp
100%
hardy snow
dont forget to ask for externals and healers to just pump you when you're close to clear
late wasp
on that point, I was told they didn't have any healing to spare because raid wide damage was so high during that P2 to P3 transition with the orbs and other debuffs
Literally on my death logs, I'd have like....dot levels of incoming healing aside from the ignore pains and spell reflect/blocks/shield wall whatever, we didn't have a holy paladin in the raid so no beacon healing either
But as far as externals go, I'm still pretty bad about calling for htem until it's too late, so that's definitely something I do wrong
solid sun
Do you have logs or anything?
late wasp
It was from S2, and I haven't gotten into Mythic raiding since then, so I just left it as being bad lol
median tulip
The main thing on Experiments is to try to clear stacks before the intermissions. Carrying 6 stacks while you have nothing to generate Rage on means no Indom and IP healing, which is a problem
jagged pier
It was from S2, and I haven't gotten into Mythic raiding since then, so I just l...
shouldnt really stop u raiding
late wasp
It didn't stop me as much as getting too old and kids 🙂
warm plinth
Just don't have kids 4Head
late wasp
The snip snip, like my healing, came too late
But in all honestly, I raided pretty hard back in Vanilla, I was pretty happy with myself that I could still be relevant in Dragonflight, I have no regrets, but definitely know there's another skill level from where I'm at, so I'm pushing that in M+ play
late wasp
Speaking of, if anyone in here has gold burning a hole in your pocket and needs T3 crafting mats, reach out LOL
loud light
any recommendations on talents for m+ s4?
jagged pier
loud light
ty kind person
undone beacon
is there any world in which a ruby whelp shell is decent?
jagged pier
No.
undone beacon
sadge
Got one last night and couldnt trade it anyways
I guess its an easy flightstone discount
late wasp
Yeah I've been hoarding things that I won't even use (as long as nobody else REALLY needs it) for the crest discounts
median tulip
It has a ninja pulling issue in RLP as well
crystal mauve
It never ninja pulled for me since I play with apes ass pulling the world every time 👍
plush tendon
It has a ninja pulling issue in RLP as well
cant ninja pull if you just pull everything at once
mild jolt
ill got a blazebinder Hoof on 506, a pocket anvil 509,chromatic Essence on 509 for offense trinkets.
and Splinter 499 and Dreadplate on 506.
Whats youre exp on m+8 and above, do i need some deff trinekts or do we have enough options to survive without and going for double off
jagged pier
always play anvil
take another of the first 3 if u want offensive
or ither of the other 2 if u want a defesnive option
doesnt really matter
plush tendon
Dreadplate is fun
100% keep anvil on
and OCE is cool
Splinter prob not needed until higher keys (like going into the high teens/20s)
mild jolt
in this case, ill keep splinter and dreadplate in my inventory and eq OCE+ Anvil for now
thanks
plush tendon
do give Dreadplate a go in some of the higher target count dungeons (like AA/Bracken)
it can do some pretty solid damage
but yea, OCE/Anvil is a solid setup anywhere
mild jolt
im right to atune the oce to versa or haste?
plush tendon
Haste
or sim
if you are playing with other OCE users in a premade, then you try to get all the buffs
digital jetty
Anyone know any good prot warrior streamers/youtubers? Trying to get back into and just feel like I’m struggling.
glacial skiff
Does anyone know if you can get fligtstones if you like normal aberrus after clearing heroic/muthic?
plush tendon
yea
hell, you get flightstones from doing non-fated raids to
flightstones are super easy to come by, but also super frustrating since the 2k cap is WAY too low
should either be uncapped or like 20000
humble schooner
Anyone know any good prot warrior streamers/youtubers? Trying to get back into a...
There are a few probably but I watch plkawar mostly
glacial skiff
flightstones are super easy to come by, but also super frustrating since the 2k ...
You say that, but the whole leggo situation fucked me and a lot of people since we upgraded weapons because we had no idea when they’d be available. I am in a fligtstone drought atm
fickle lake
Anyone know any good prot warrior streamers/youtubers? Trying to get back into a...
Nextback is also a very good Prot Warrior
jagged pier
Anyone know any good prot warrior streamers/youtubers? Trying to get back into a...
theres only really 3 and thats nomeratur, sense and plka. all links can be found in the faqs
deft hinge
Not that it matters that much, but my OCD is kicking in and i MUST write it here or else i will die unhappy or something like that.
This is from warrior stats page:
This is from gear and best in slot page:
plush tendon
and?
strong forum
Not that it matters that much, but my OCD is kicking in and i MUST write it here...
okay okay
tiny fractal
This is from gear and best in slot page:
blazing condor
nah i see the vision
deft hinge
its about sending a message
👍🏼
deft hinge
which page is that 2nd picture even
gear and best in slot ☺️
tiny fractal
👍🏼
just for clarification, the stat prio is the same in the two screenshots you shared. The important thing to notice is the "</>" and "=" usage. Haste is best. Verse/crit are equivalent and all three are better than mastery.
but as always
strong forum
fixed
blazing condor
i also dont like how versatility is written before crit as well
even though vers = crit is the same as crit = vers
but still
deft hinge
just for clarification, the stat prio is the same in the two screenshots you sha...
ok, u got it totally 👍🏼
north silo
But how much haste do we want? Already sitting at 7k ^^
humble schooner
35-40%, otherwise too much dimishing returns, and you get an additional 10% from talent
plush tendon
7100 is the soft cap
as you approach that number, its prob best to look at other stats like crit, vers and even some mastery
lusty grotto
35-40%, otherwise too much dimishing returns, and you get an additional 10% from...
dont say percents
percents dont DR
plush tendon
the sweet spot I find is somewhere between 6500-7100
then I sim and get crit/vers usually
lusty grotto
yup
plush tendon
obviously sim to see what works best for you
humble schooner
dont say percents
say both if anything
lusty grotto
no
humble schooner
yes
humble schooner
7k rating means nothing on its own
lusty grotto
....
humble schooner
unless I have either prior knowledge or have to get a calculator
plush tendon
the number is better then the %
% is unhelpful when figuring out when you gonna hit DRs
and yea, you just hover over it on your character screen
no calculator needed
humble schooner
I am meaning in specific discussion, if I was in game, yeah sure I can check but in a conversation its easier to much mention the percentage, but I guess thats just me
lusty grotto
you can also check in armory
also arctus isnt new
ive seen him around
and even if they were
they can ask how to check rating if they are extremely new
and we will tell them
no math needed
humble schooner
isn't 30% softcap for haste/crit? At 7100 aren't you wasting close to 1000 rating ?
limpid ruin
30% is only the first dr (10%) You lose way less than 1k going to 7100
lusty grotto
yup
unkempt hazel
does anyone use a co tank wa
unkempt hazel
just was wondering if they had an issue with experiments
mine tracks the explosion dot
for w/e reason
unkempt hazel
🤔
lusty grotto
did you mean the dispel or the tank swap?
unkempt hazel
infused explosion
lusty grotto
oh
plush tendon
i think you want something to track the dot on the raid
so you know when you can clear
is that right?
lusty grotto
yeah you do, for mythic
unkempt hazel
I was like hmm, are there no strikes in lfr, while my co tank sitting at 20+ stacks
plush tendon
theres probably one in the liquid raid pack
or you can just make your own for that dot
limpid ruin
<@498260827938226187> doesnt
I do! It didn’t work. Fights really fun staring at raid frames
lusty grotto
spice orbit
Is it actually confirmed that the text on Gholak is correct? I can't for the life of me get a procc that does 5 times my lowest damage.
If my lowest hit on the puppets is 42k, I should at some point get a hit beyond 200k, no?
for clarification, that's the Vakash proccs obviously...
lusty grotto
im assuming its maxed
343k crit isnt bad
171k normal max hit
are puppets max health?
cause thats when it does its 400% damage increase
read the text of the effect
spice orbit
Yeah the 42k hit is below 90%. The 171k hit is above 90%.
But if 42is as low as I can go... I would expect at least 210k normal procc above 90%.
It looks a lot like it's doing "increased to 400%" instead of "increased by 400%"
But I might overlook something here...
lusty grotto
idk its doing the right damage
spice orbit
how is 42k increased by 400% below 200k for you?
toxic pewter
42x4=168
spice orbit
42+4*42=210
spice orbit
42
increased by 100% = 84
increased by 200% = 126
increased by 300% = 168
increased by 400% = 210
stark crystal
why do we play Seal of Diurna's Chosen?? how do we proc it?
toxic pewter
shadowflame embellishment/gholak/frostfire belt/trinkets that do fire or shadowflame damage/head enchant
hazy bronze
Head enchant as well
toxic pewter
ya true
stark crystal
ah okay
so it a high proc chance
lusty grotto
anvil and signet too
stark crystal
okay thank you
cinder nova
Is it worth to try and meme a fyralath use on pull
blazing condor
wasnt there some stupid stuff with not being able to switch when its on CD
cinder nova
Boy do I fucking hate that
lusty grotto
nome did you take a look at that guys math
lusty grotto
so its nerfed by 1 step
cinder nova
I still don't get why they couldn't make a 1-h version alongside it
lusty grotto
300% only
cinder nova
Also, what's nerfed?
lusty grotto
gholak
urban portal
you cant swap off of the legendary
Can you not equip a shield to pop it out
I did that in shadowlands
lusty grotto
yeah makes sense
strong forum
nah
urban portal
Unlucky
spice orbit
Thanks a lot for checking.
lusty grotto
if thats the case then its been that way since last season
cinder nova
They wont make a shield leggo anytime soon either, which is a major bummer, since it'll only apply to shaman, paladin, and us.
lusty grotto
i wasnt even aware of it
but still
its gholak so, even if its to 400%
and not by, its our strongest weapon by far
yeah S thats kinda weird considering 2h str leggos only apply to 3 classes as well
so i dont think its an excuse
leggo bows cough cough
evoker leggo
cough cough
cinder nova
yeah S thats kinda weird considering 2h str leggos only apply to 3 classes as we...
Hunter, paladin, warrior, death knight... I think that's 4.
cinder nova
Pretty sure Surv can use it.
cinder nova
Because Surv is shit
lusty grotto
its not
cinder nova
Weird, why is nobody playing it?
lusty grotto
but M Fyraak guilds dont usually just meme award it to hunters
people are
ive been seeing surv topping meters in keys easily
cinder nova
Weird. I haven't seen a single one.
Then again, I washed out of S3 after I got dropped by my guild.
Ever since they stopped having to use INT they've just snowballed into mental degeneracy.
We're old stupid, they're new stupid.
humble schooner
Surv is a melee spec for a ranged class. I've seen some so crazy damage, I just don't think they scale as well as other classes
cinder nova
Tangentially, why in the blue spirulina fuck does S3 and S4 tier not actually work together.
What a troll that is.
humble schooner
because blizz hates fun
cinder nova
God forbid gearing be smooth
I sure do love holding items in my bag so I can wait for 4p
humble schooner
I said f'it and just equiped what I had, the ilvl increase was worth it to me, even if the min-max wasn't
I'll get 4pc either this week or next guaranteed so not a big deal
lusty grotto
yeah its a melee slot youre sacrificing
but then again
i dont think thats a consideration this season or even in s2-s3
lusty grotto
Tangentially, why in the blue spirulina fuck does S3 and S4 tier not actually wo...
because it would be unfair to people that have different set bonuses aka s1, like arms or rsham
cinder nova
Oh no
lusty grotto
it makes 100% sense
cinder nova
warriors have a slight advantage
median tulip
Because Surv is shit
Surv is fucking hilarious
cinder nova
I honestly don't see the harm in it. People are getting 4-set week 1, so what's the difference in permitting it?
lusty grotto
prot pally would be fucked too (not that they arent already)
not most people
its not a big deal
median tulip
because it would be unfair to people that have different set bonuses aka s1, lik...
As opposed to it now being UNFAIR to us, because we can't do 2+2pc?
lusty grotto
and its certainly not fun
cinder nova
That's what I mean, it's a meme season
median tulip
I have a whole 1pc of S4 Tier
cinder nova
Why are they making gearing in a meme season more of a ball ache by making identical set bonuses not play nice at least during GEARING.
I can't think of a single sweaty clown that'll somehow miss out by the end of the season whose progress was somehow indelibly harmed because a few other classes can gear smoother with S3 4p
Eugh... it's just the kind of miserable equanimity that makes the game feel garbage instead of smooth and intuitive. Like, I get why, but this isn't RWF
cinder nova
Yeah. having gear sit in my bag because of ilvl but not sim ups feels like garbage
lusty grotto
okie
lusty grotto
kk
dusky canopy
I personally don’t see a logical reason as to why season 3 and and s4 tier pieces can’t work together if they’re the same set bonus
cinder nova
It's mildly unfair for maybe two weeks to some classes.
cinder nova
Because we gotta sweat with hypercompetition in the meme post-season
torn gulch
It's *mildly unfair* for maybe *two weeks* to some classes.
worst case scenarios you get 4 piece next wednesday
i broke my old 4x489 for 3x522+522 but i was fairly lucky with m+ drops so i had items to catalyse
cinder nova
I'll probably get it tonight, still feels like ass to be staring at ups instead of using them. They axed shit like reforging so that people could just slap gear on and go - quite explicitly, in fact.
humble schooner
reforging was just an addon in the end
cinder nova
Maybe I'm more bent out of shape by the fact that they make conflicting design choices that fly in the face of reasons we lost neat shit.
Like - pick a fucking lane and stick to it, god damn.
lusty grotto
touch grass moment
torn gulch
this season was made by the janitor and the unpaid intern
what do you expect
dusky canopy
Fun season so far
torn gulch
have you seen how many bugs we had until now this season?
lusty grotto
uh
dusky canopy
Being a few days behind is just fomo
lusty grotto
just a weird thing to complain
dusky canopy
You will get all the same shit done just like everybody else
humble schooner
its better than I thought , but more or less biding time until MoP remix
lusty grotto
when the obvious problem this season has is what homo mac said
fucking buggy as shit
cinder nova
You know you can contest multiple issues simultaneously, right?
humble schooner
but even Remix will be like a week of content
cinder nova
Like - you don't have to champion ONE thing at a time.
humble schooner
with the many different versions of WoW, their QA team must be spread pretty thin
cinder nova
A game can have multiple things wrong with it, and all of them can be valid criticisms
torn gulch
this season would've been so much better if we had awakened ToT properly scaled
instead of the 3 raids
or awakened nighthold
cinder nova
I vote ToT
dusky canopy
Throne and or SoO are easily my all time top picks
cinder nova
Nighthold was doodoo
dusky canopy
Such a good time in my wow experience
cinder nova
You know they'll entirely forget to make M staraugur work with Splock
torn gulch
or awakened icecrown citadel to celebrate the end of WOTLK
cinder nova
I'd fuck with awakened ICC if they added new mechanics
torn gulch
maybe with some polish on mechanics
cinder nova
Yeah that actually sounds like it'd slap if they reimagined a lot of the encounters to be familiar, but different.
torn gulch
but they can't change illuminated sigils on DH nevermind polishing an old raid for fated
cinder nova
Think BSV will be fixed for TWW?
torn gulch
no
i hope that dh control get cut significantly then a lot of dps will get exposed on how trash they actually are
i've seen so many meta players that achieved title because they played with VDH
they would've never came close to title otherwise
cinder nova
That's honestly my biggest annoyance atm, the few keys that'll take me in the 9-11 range are just comatose
I feel like if I don't kick something or stop something, it wont get looked at
Having to tell people "hey just... hard CC the Dragonbone Axe and you can ignore the bleed entirely"
Is agony
dusky canopy
So my buddy and I tried this we went through a key with a VDH and neither of us used our stops once except kick
Timed the key no problem
VDH is to much
waxen frigate
i hope that dh control get cut significantly then a lot of dps will get exposed ...
10.2.7 patch notes came out didn’t you see
cinder nova
BSV is gonna be the new Never Surrender, guaranteed
waxen frigate
That's honestly my biggest annoyance atm, the few keys that'll take me in the 9-...
Did an 11 AV with a Ret Paladin who pressed HOJ once yesterday
Even after I explicitly gave him a stop order
torn gulch
10.2.7 patch notes came out didn’t you see
torn gulch
and i get 6 stacks and floorpov
cinder nova
bad tank
torn gulch
yep i'm sorry i am not a dh
cinder nova
Instant full rage bar IRL
waxen frigate
We literally timed that key through pure spite from me and my guildie on his spriest
cinder nova
Yeah 2-man carry has been the going theme it feels like
waxen frigate
We wiped to just ticking out on last boss because pally didn’t swap crystals and healer didn’t heal
cinder nova
usually 2-3 players are just asleep at the wheel drooling full hypnotoad style at the meter
waxen frigate
Guildie and I pooled all our cooldowns as brew/shadow to get it done
torn gulch
a lot of bad players are getting carried by vdh and it annoys me to no end
i hope they get fucked next season
cinder nova
But it's cool guys, we're getting no utility in TWW
Well that's a lie, technically
aren't we getting intervene baseline again
torn gulch
so blizzard next time can see the effects of giving a tank too much control
cinder nova
I recall them making intervene not shit again
What'll happen is that when and if VDH gets the shitcan on its hilariously meta CC (which gets way dumber w/Opp roar from evoker), players will whinge and cry and whine about dungeon difficulty and how much they have to do.
And then dungeons will get nerfed or a bunch of DPS specs will get utility buffs
Granted, I've been gone since like week 6 S3
waxen frigate
so blizzard next time can see the effects of giving a tank too much control
The thing is
That was just ppala before
Lmao
It did the same shit and vdh just exacerbated it
plush tendon
I would say VDH is like taking Prot Paladin and dialing it to 11
waxen frigate
Yea
plush tendon
Blizz needs to decide if tanks should, as a baseline, have the ability to control a dungeon on their own
or should it be a group effort
torn gulch
tbh i wouldn't give a shit about vdh power
but it severely affects key availability for the other 5 tank specs all the way to mid-high level keys and that is the problem
plush tendon
I favor the later personally
torn gulch
Blizz needs to decide if tanks should, as a baseline, have the ability to contro...
this should never happen a 5 man group should control the dungeon as a 5 man unit not as a 1man unit+3 dps turrets+healer
plush tendon
this should never happen a 5 man group should control the dungeon as a 5 man uni...
I agree; but as of right now, VDH is the one man army
I play/main VDH right now, I find it super fun
but the double util sigil has to go
torn gulch
leave it double for dps sigils
but not for utility sigils
dh always had high dps as tanks
and that is fine
plush tendon
the change is simple: pump parry to 20%, make it double for only ED and SoF, and maybe reduce the CDR talent from 3-2 seconds
dusky canopy
What’s sad is I don’t think I’ve even seen a BRM out in the wild for the past like 6 or 7 months
Imagine how those guys feel
plush tendon
brew is dead
dusky canopy
Kinda dogshit
plush tendon
spec needs jesus
torn gulch
i did
equinox kekw
plush tendon
and the number of buttons is offputting to new players of the spec
torn gulch
it has so many buttons it's insane
i have space for like 50 binds and i'm afraid is not enough to play brew
plush tendon
its partly why I think VDH is doing so well (in terms of popularity); not a lot of buttons, but a lot of really impactful abilties
but overall, its a very low keybind spec
its such a easy tank to pick up and start playing and you arent overwhelmed when at the start
torn gulch
i've seen yoda do a pull on a 16 hoi like 2-3 days ago from the stairs after first boss all the way to second boss
that pull is only possible on a VDH how do other tanks even compete with something like that
waxen frigate
What’s sad is I don’t think I’ve even seen a BRM out in the wild for the past li...
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waxen frigate
if they do, Ill be shocked
Considering patch notes came out today
torn gulch
yea this season is over
plush tendon
Considering patch notes came out today
with jack shit in it
waxen frigate
And this is the entire “class changes” section
plush tendon
waxen frigate
Yeah we’re not getting shit
torn gulch
my objective is just to do better than last season
i'll see if i even get invited to the keys i need