But I’m not gonna slam avatar and roar while he’s halfway done gathering
#protection
waxen frigate
pallid quiver
had one just stop and shout at the party and leave because i cast flame shock on a mob
waxen frigate
If someone explicitly asks or pings to stay back I will
Like in a 10 or 11 AA I had a bear say to let him fully gather
Then come in
So I did that
crystal iris
if I do 2 pulls where a pack doesnt come in because they aggro on a DPS thats usually it for me
like the bridge in AA coming from the buff room, theres 2 mobs at the start, then 3 in the middle
waxen frigate
I’d still like to know if there’s any specific pills this season giving you grief
crystal iris
I charge in, TC, revenge, leap to the middle pack
waxen frigate
I usually would charge>TC>SS>block
Then charge again
Taunt the one I didn’t SS if needed
crystal iris
that first pack turned on the pally
but that wsasnt my fault dude popped wings
on the first 2 lol
waxen frigate
Lmao
crystal iris
I find its a lot of buttons to press on pull
prot rotation is easy, but goddamn thers a lot to do while pulling
waxen frigate
Maybe try watching some of @strong forum streams when he’s playing prot in keys
See how he pulls things
Idk of any other prot streamers atm
crystal iris
regular rotation, shield charge, demo shout, roar, avatar, ravager, trinketkick
yeah thats a good idea
waxen frigate
I will also usually spend a little more time establishing threat before chaining if I know there’s pug Dps who won’t wait
Spend the few extra globals if you need to
urban bane
if you want practice w/o key pressure head in to AA 0 and do that first plant pull
dark barn
Guides just dont tell me a offensive trinket (best with a passive effect) to farm in mythic plus. Someone had done the sims?
pallid quiver
There's
not particularly good offensive trinkets from M+ for prot
dark barn
=/
pallid quiver
You've got Blazebinder's Hoof for an okay one
that might be it off the top of my head
waxen frigate
Most of the good trinks are from raid this tier
pallid quiver
I think Nokhud idol is next best from M+, but it's still not great
Especially with how cracked Blizz made all of the raid trinks
dark barn
Guides focusing in raid trinkets but i will buy a gholak and a eranog ring with bullian
urban bane
if you at least do lfr youll get bullion which you can buy trinkets and our best weapon (also from raid) with
pallid quiver
Yeah, like any raid trink on even normal and the like is generally better than most of the M+ trinkets iirc
the raid trinkets are really good in comparison to the dungeon trinks
crystal iris
if you want practice w/o key pressure head in to AA 0 and do that first plant pu...
thats actually an easy pull I find. I just throw to the 3 lashers and AOE taunt when everything is close
plus since its the start of the key ravager is up so the lashers all run into ravager
dark barn
if you at least do lfr youll get bullion which you can buy trinkets and our best...
Ofc not worth to buy trinketa before gholak and eranog ring
crystal iris
the eagle pulls before bird boss are tougher actually they turn red while still in the air before I can hit them
pallid quiver
I mean the trinkets may actually be a bigger increase to your performance than eggnog
It's just it's easier to get any raid trinket than eggnog
crystal iris
There's
not particularly good offensive trinkets from M+ for prot
What about Storm-Eaters boon?
pallid quiver
Since eggnog is once a week, once a boss
crystal iris
pallid quiver
What about Storm-Eaters boon?
It'd be good if you didn't gamble your life anytime you pressed it
crystal iris
you can still attack and use defensives, but idk if you can still block
cerulean tusk
It is all fun and games, till swirlies show under your feet
dark barn
Ring does 1-2% damage without losing any stats and you will still have your 2 trinkets to do things
crystal iris
I got this thing though, gives me like 850k HP and 4k vers at max stacks
pallid quiver
Yeah, the bigger issue is the swirlies
crystal iris
It is all fun and games, till swirlies show under your feet
ya but at least Im tank not a squishy DPS i can probably live swirlies
pallid quiver
It lasts long enough that most swirlies, of which there are many in current pool, will spawn under and land before you can move
and swirlies will deffo kill you in notable keys
even as a tank
crystal iris
I'll run it in meme keys
pallid quiver
That's the spirit
crystal iris
or farm once 8s become super easy
pallid quiver
When you're hitting keys like that, 10/10 Boon power pick
crystal iris
actually let me jump in AA0 and see how much DPS it does to lashers
pallid quiver
8s are easy?
He meant when people get max geared and they're easier as a result
crystal iris
8s are easy?
depends on the group currently. But they arent always homework keys just yet
we get it youre a god
cerulean tusk
I am so confused, do ppl actually feel 8-10 range is a challenge?
cerulean tusk
Guess I am out of touch
crystal iris
because 80% of keys in group finder are under 8s
maybe 5% of players are doing 10s right now? some people just started learning 8 new dungeons this week
urban bane
Ofc not worth to buy trinketa before gholak and eranog ring
for sure gholak first. idk what to say otherwise. just sim yourself. article lists these otherwise but 🤷♂️ the trinkets from raid are better, idk what else to say https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear#bis-gear-mythic
crystal iris
ask a healer how "easy" they think the third boss is in HOI 10
pallid quiver
I am so confused, do ppl actually feel 8-10 range is a challenge?
Most people would definitely feel like a 6 is a challenge, let alone an 8
crystal iris
as they pump out 350K HPS
pallid quiver
Can confirm from playing as a DPS and seeing tanks just flop sometimes
cerulean tusk
I am honestly just confused about that
But I will take your word for it
Just seems off
As we blasted 10s day 1
pallid quiver
Well, they were old season 18s-20s, and not many people cleared those
pallid quiver
Most people are decidedly average or worse than average at the game
crystal iris
the storm boss from Nokhud is barely survivable in a 10
glad jacinth
isthe spell reflect wa still working?
cerulean tusk
It is working
pallid quiver
isthe spell reflect wa still working?
I don't see why it wouldn't be
I don't use any spell reflect aids or anything than just me see cast, me press
plush tendon
Most people are decidedly average or worse than average at the game
I mean, what is average?
glad jacinth
i mean if it is being updated
crystal iris
average right now is people running 5-7s
plush tendon
the thing I noticed this week cause the bois and I have to pug healers is that after a wipe or a mistake on a boss in a 10, theyll just dip which is super strange
crystal iris
in most AOTC guilds
pallid quiver
I mean, what is average?
50% parses and below by definition, though that's technically not accurate due to deaths
plush tendon
considering its week 1 and a 10 is a 10 XD
pallid quiver
the thing I noticed this week cause the bois and I have to pug healers is that a...
Pug cultural thing; people rage quit a lot
plush tendon
I mean, sure? But also, get your weekly box my dude
pallid quiver
Good part in because people don't keep you around if you do that a lot, so they have to pug
plush tendon
I see you're highest key being a 7
dark barn
If im very unlucky in raids i can train a whelp to give me haste buff lol kkk
plush tendon
take the 10 untimed ya goon
crystal iris
I cant go into AA 0 because ive already done it this week. Can't test trinket 😦
pallid quiver
There's also the general player ego thing of "I'm great and awesome, people better than me are cheating or just built different"
plush tendon
Though I have come across some absolute chad healers in Halls of Infusion
pallid quiver
Which I'm incapable of understanding the reasoning for, but it's what some people think.
i've heard enough of it in discord vc to ever have it leave my head
pallid quiver
i think 1st HoI boss is harder to heal than 3rd,
crystal iris
do you guys use mouseovers for heroic throw / taunt?
pallid quiver
but i also heal on a resto shaman and people going to the ends of the earth as group damage comes out makes me sad without pwave
plush tendon
its a simple fight, just a numbies check
crystal mauve
do you guys use mouseovers for heroic throw / taunt?
Yes but it’s just a matter of how comfortable you are with it. Same with leap (at cursor macro) some like it some hate it
tall sky
one guy scared me on the 1st boss, but man he handled the 3rd boss like a champ
It’s your tanking that made you survive the 3rd boss. Stand proud, you can cook
plush tendon
tank does piss all on 3rd boss XD
pallid quiver
its a simple fight, just a numbies check
But the glacier rings are impossible to dodge, wym
tall sky
It’s all us fr
pallid quiver
nothing the melee could have done
tall sky
Tanks #1
crystal iris
dark barn
Yes but it’s just a matter of how comfortable you are with it. Same with leap (a...
I hate cursor macro in leap
crystal iris
this was storm eaters on the 5 training dummies in valdrak
crystal iris
since Im locked out of AA
tall sky
What is storm eaters
plush tendon
a trinket
cerulean tusk
Boon is true uncapped, that is what makes it strong
crystal iris
i linked it here
crystal mauve
I hate cursor macro in leap
I can’t live without it but it doesn’t mean anything just preference
plush tendon
true high risk, high reward trinket
crystal iris
the real value is at the end, you need to live for those last 3-4 ticks
pallid quiver
There's also the issue that getting the best value out of it requires you to pull it out in bungo pulls
where you generally want feet
crystal iris
yup
cerulean tusk
Dont need feet, if you get blessing of protection 
crystal iris
would be nice if our AOE taunt silence thing just silenced all mobs fo 6s instead of only silencing them when they get interrupted
cerulean tusk
If we did, we would get nerfed tho 
restive cypress
would be nice if our AOE taunt silence thing just silenced all mobs fo 6s instea...
baseline Challenging Shout should do what Disrupting does now, and the shout capstone should have disrupting silence everything around like vdh sigil
to make it worthwhile even considering taking that
cerulean tusk
If warrior is close to a top spot, we get hammered down so hard and fast it is unreal.
As the community at large riots.
Best we can do is being just borderline ok.
pallid quiver
if DHs can have 2 or those on short CD, we can get one on a 1.5min
nah dh's are super special awesome and the strongest and they've sacrificed everything what have YOU sacrificed it's not a phase mom
crystal iris
baseline Challenging Shout should do what Disrupting does now, and the shout cap...
What do you mean about the capstone?
crystal mauve
Because you know tanks are balanced and Dh is not overpowered at all 😬
plush tendon
Hoping for balance for a fated season is straight copium
restive cypress
What do you mean about the capstone?
oh mb I mistook it for another talent, it's just the disrupting one
cerulean tusk
We can do 10s, be happy with that alone. Pray blizz don't need us further
plush tendon
just hope for a good next expac and that someone learned a lesson at blizzard about what is broken and class balancing
crystal iris
the problem is were actually super solid
plush tendon
Prot War super awesome
crystal iris
way more than other tanks
plush tendon
watched my friend get giga SR value in a RLP
crystal iris
just we have no utility in comparizon
restive cypress
just did an azure vault in my vdh and almost fell asleep making all mobs behave like training dummies lmao, love when everything's a caster
pallid quiver
just hope for a good next expac and that someone learned a lesson at blizzard ab...
The biggest issue is more that things keep getting reworked into being the bestest around by a non-zero amount
And just become cracked
plush tendon
^
first Prot Paladin reworked (becomes bis), then bear, now VDH
remember kids, if your class is getting reworked, its about to become BiS
pallid quiver
It's even in the DPS lands, too
pallid quiver
I think Sense had a count post about it somewhere
waxen frigate
It’s just a matter of whether you get unlucky in terms of getting swatted by the nerf bat (Ret and havoc) very fast
cerulean tusk
We are always super strong early, due to how SB works with no gear. This makes us OP week 1-4, all tanks cry bloody murder....
Nerfs come.
We spend the expansion going back to our starting point (that was already weak)
pallid quiver
It's uncomfortable precedent, since it's kinda picking and choosing what classes to be good and the like
plush tendon
Early DF the Prot War tree was super solid
probably one of the best trees and general design on release.... they just havnt touched it in 2 years
pallid quiver
We are always super strong early, due to how SB works with no gear. This makes u...
we've actually never been meaningfully nerfed this season; everything else just got reworked into being balls out busted
plush tendon
Prot War hasnt really been nerfed to the ground or buff to relevance
pallid quiver
The only nerfs we got were extremely minor block value nerfs that were negligible and not even a key level's difference
cerulean tusk
I am glad ya lads don't remember the "warrior tanks naked"(not really naked) vids and that jazz. The nerfs hit out overall str, sta, armor, DR... all because of community outrage over ppl not understanding warrior.
We are basically just been unnerfed from there.
Worst part? Even before nerfs hit, we were falling behind, as others got gear needed for their classes to start rolling.
I am madge
plush tendon
idk, I just care about fun first and formost
cerulean tusk
I am happy for you, I really am
plush tendon
and there is just not a lot going on with Prot WAr
radiant mortar
Hello everyone, any tipss for second boss in HoI? I had difficulties with positioning so the boss eats the frogs
plush tendon
SS and TClap and spend rage as fast as possible with IP
SL War was a bit more exciting with the charge weaving and keep banner up
and Revenge doing some actual damage
cerulean tusk
Hello everyone, any tipss for second boss in HoI? I had difficulties with positi...
You can shockwave the frogs just before he eats em. Other than that, just let ppl kite their own frogs in, let the group CC handle it
You don't control that part, really. It is your group
waxen frigate
SL War was a bit more exciting with the charge weaving and keep banner up
Charge weaving was toxic imo
I’m glad it’s gone
plush tendon
Charge weaving was toxic imo
was annoying to be forced to play it all day every day for 3 tiers
cerulean tusk
As arms, nah, it fit. Fury? Get that shit away
plush tendon
but it was at least interesting
plush tendon
Hello everyone, any tipss for second boss in HoI? I had difficulties with positi...
you stack as a group, bait the circle (frog drops) on either X then move to the other X
go back and forth
use CCs and slows to keep them in circle when they come in
radiant mortar
Oh never knew about that thanks
radiant mortar
You don't control that part, really. It is your group
Alright, thank you. I feltbad for not being able to interact more to help out
keen leaf
Gamer or trash?
plush tendon
sim yourself
prob better then lower I level pieces, but its no Gholaks
which we get in.... 24 hours
keen leaf
listen here you lil sht, just tell me how to live my life, I need direction 😄
keen leaf
fair, I forgot that was the play
plush tendon
keen leaf
imagine not being a prot main
pallid quiver
I just wanna play with the funny lego i got
hardy snow
i think we get a lego upgrade
plush tendon
ima get upgraded lego on my DK
gonna be straight stonks
like a 40 I level upgrade on wep
pallid quiver
as long as you have the crests and flightstones available
solid sun
just buy Gholaks on reset
I got that weapon from doing my timewalking weekly. Is the bullion purchased version better?
plush tendon
I got that weapon from doing my timewalking weekly. Is the bullion purchased ver...
You can get one on Myth track (so higher I level)
cerulean tusk
It goes to mythic ilvl, you might want to sim if trinkies will net you a bigger DPS increase
plush tendon
but if you have a heroic one, you could potentially take a different piece with your first bullion
and save a mythic Gholak for 2nd or 3rd bullion
like Eggnog ring would be a nice pickup
solid sun
Gotcha
plush tendon
Im a big fan of the bullion system though.... should be a staple for all seasons
not just fated
plush tendon
I just like people getting excited about the game; and not worrying about gearing and being able to look forward to upgrades on a schedule
and bullions has made people I raid with excited to play and basically destroyed loot drama
like 'oh, he got Eggnog ring... grats! Ill get one in 2 weeks with my bullion :P'
solid sun
I think s4 is pretty fun
orchid mural
Would eggnogs ring interact with shadowflame embellisments then? i dont want to get the frostfire belt 😛
crystal iris
is it possible to make a macro that uses either shockwave or intimidating shout, depending on which is off CD?
im running out of keybinds here
grim pilot
You could just make cast shockw cast inti since both are on gcd and youd have to click it twice to work ig
But i advise against it
cerulean tusk
is it possible to make a macro that uses either shockwave or intimidating shout,...
Sequence macro;
/sequence reset=30 shockwave, intimidation shout
Thought, I dont recommend these kinda fixes
Adjust reset value to CD of shockwave, and it will do shockwave, then inti shout, then do shockwave again, then reset every shockwave CD
till inti is back up
toxic pewter
just make a few more keybinds
crystal iris
ok Azure Vaults first boss
after the trees break, the adds insta aggro onto healer, and they arent close to me
how do I deal with that
pallid quiver
they run to you so you can get aggro
humble schooner
healer get close to you
pallid quiver
Like, by sheer virtue of residiual healing, it's nigh-guaranteed they're gonna rush the healer on spawn
humble schooner
can save ravager or roar for it
crystal iris
i did
healer was dead within 2 globals of them spawning
whining about how I need to get aggro on them
humble schooner
they are bad
crystal iris
also how would you guys do first pull in there?
I was trying to pull the 2 groups of lashers into the big tree pack
humble schooner
3 lashers in first room into the hallway with 3 others and tree
crystal iris
oh you dont take all lashers in the first room?
humble schooner
in a corodinated group, possibly, but not in a pug, too many stops needed
crystal iris
kk
plush tendon
do this pull
warm plinth
In pugs that pull is generally a wipe. I've had to split even the lashers before because they couldn't handle stops on all 6
humble schooner
at a higher key thats a fine pull, but I generally don't trust pugs for that
plush tendon
grim pilot
In pugs that pull is generally a wipe. I've had to split even the lashers befor...
For pug groups thats a vdh pull
plush tendon
we were doing that in S1
crystal iris
you grab the welp too?
plush tendon
no problems
crystal iris
I did this
crystal mauve
Nowadays people don’t really pay attention to their CC since they usually have a VDH taking care of everything for them tbh
plush tendon
I feel like tree and 9 lashers is harder then 3 shards and 6 lashers
crystal iris
sort of worked, but had some early aggro issues even after spending like 3 globals on the lashers before pulling other pack
plush tendon
like, if you can pull that pull off, you can do the 6 lashers 3 shard pull
crystal iris
are the shards worth it?
plush tendon
I mean, I think so
and I dont think its a complicated pull to pull off as the first pull of a dungeon
lusty tiger
I did a 4 pull aa this weekend
plush tendon
besides, if I was in a non-pug group on my DH, I would do this
cause Im a sociopath
lusty tiger
This is pull 1 right?
plush tendon
lusty tiger
Yea it should be like this
plush tendon
yea; I would lust it; I dont think you need lust for first boss
lusty tiger
Probs not
plush tendon
on fort you prob lust on CD anyways
lusty tiger
In a 10 tyr it dies before lust is over
But also the boss isn’t scary enough to need lust anyway
plush tendon
AV is my favorite dungeon
lusty tiger
When people kick, especially this dungeon rotation, the keys are fricken easy
Stack em and whack em
plush tendon
none of these dugeons are like EB or ToT
where the mobs just chain cast
except for those guys around the ring in RLP
lusty tiger
Yep, just a little cc organization goes a really long way
Don’t even need to do the rings I think
I don’t have my buddy route rn but it is pretty slick
We do like 1 pull on the rings
plush tendon
the rings in AV?
lusty tiger
Yeah
U know the whelps and blueberries after the first boss
We pull all that together
Right before you take the book taxi to the first ring
plush tendon
yea, we do that
we either do that pull or we do this on the second ring
not yet sure which is better
cerulean tusk
we either do that pull or we do this on the second ring
This is my preferred, as it is just super pug friendly - basically 0 danger
lusty tiger
I mean if they don’t cc you get slept in a swirlie
plush tendon
once I get to a higher key, its gonna depend on lust timing
lusty tiger
That too
plush tendon
cause lusting first pull is gonna be the play
so when does second lust come?
cant be sitting on it or else the mage is gonna give me a hissy fit
lusty tiger
cant be sitting on it or else the mage is gonna give me a hissy fit
Hah Forreal
lusty tiger
so when does second lust come?
Depends on key level
But it’s probably on the way to the 3rd boss
plush tendon
in these 10s, right now is like lust first pull and get it back around 2nd boss
lusty tiger
Yeah
plush tendon
next week with the literal infusion of gear we getting, may be even later
lusty tiger
Omg keys next week are going to be so much more fun
torn gulch
fort/bolstering
lusty tiger
Fort for padding and huge gear upgrades
torn gulch
most likely next week
lusty tiger
Hah I should sim my wep upgrade
plush tendon
absolutley wild
lusty tiger
Is that on ST?
lusty tiger
Fucking juiced
plush tendon
regardless, people bout to get juiced
torn gulch
Nymue staff and another crafted item incoming for me
another is not happening if you already crafted
lusty tiger
Oh that’s right 1 more week for spark
plush tendon
yea, if you were clearing 10s this week fairly easy
next week they are going to fall over
even with bolstering
cerulean tusk
Holy upgrade batman 
cerulean tusk
Pretty sure next week will be harder than this week, Tyra is just knowing the bosses and you can masspull for fun. Forti bolstering = zzz pull to much and things go sideways fast
torn gulch
next 2 fort weeks look bad tbh fort/bolstering and fort/raging
plush tendon
fine with me
get the poop weeks out of the way
then line up the IO push weeks
when we got all the looties
but raging aint terrible on fort tbh
raw parcel
ST?
lusty tiger
300k ST
echo egret
then line up the IO push weeks
Guenuine question : is IO anything to consider if you can only push it on certain weeks ?
plush tendon
5 min, no PI
raw parcel
Been mongering in Thailand too long, different meaning to ST here
lusty tiger
What in the world
waxen frigate
🤨
ST has its own meaning for me and jeree
(Stock trading)
(We believe in diversifying our finances to plan for the future)
dark barn
Im thinking we can abuse the ranged spell of Raging tempest boss, spell reflect ready, few steps back and reflect, is like 2M damage in high keys
toxic pewter
just got ashes of alar from black temple cache lol
i got invincible last time too
kinda messed up people farmed for years for these then they just add it to some timewalking box lol
plush tendon
the quest TMOG next expac is straight fire
shut summit
Im thinking we can abuse the ranged spell of Raging tempest boss, spell reflect ...
yes you should be doing that
toxic pewter
the quest TMOG next expac is straight fire
looks great
plush tendon
dark barn
the quest TMOG next expac is straight fire
For me the only problem is that people will think im a paladin, i hate paladins
toxic pewter
I think everyone is hyped for the hallowfall zone and arathi humans at least I am
plush tendon
big points cause the sheild also looks good
toxic pewter
For me the only problem is that people will think im a paladin, i hate paladins
I dunno it actually reminds me of season 2 df heroic tier warrior armor sort of
plush tendon
For me the only problem is that people will think im a paladin, i hate paladins
I think the color scheme matches the warrior TPOST armor
toxic pewter
ya that too trading post one
plush tendon
so you can swap the helm out
dark barn
will try with this
humble schooner
the quest TMOG next expac is straight fire
this should have been paladin tier set lol
humble schooner
yeah thats cool, paladin tier is so terrible in comparison though
raw parcel
What in the world
Short time
humble schooner
Once I get 2.3 mil gold to get my T3 I will never change it
lusty tiger
Short time
Apparently was 5 minutes
humble schooner
single target
lusty tiger
It also was a Paladin sim we were talking about
karmic plinth
silly time
cerulean merlin
hi friends, what should i drop to pick uproar in the warrior skill tree
and if i want to change spellblock to bloodborne, what other talent should i change?
karmic plinth
check the pinned weekly damage build it has uproar and bloodborne talented
cerulean merlin
thx!
deep steppe
This might be a goofy question but, you can't go double 2pc right? Like last season 2pc + this season? They dont stack right?
hardy snow
This might be a goofy question but, you can't go double 2pc right? Like last se...
Nope, they dont. Specs that have S3 set cant have 2x2p.
cerulean tusk
They do not stack, you simply get 1 of the two buff auras to activate, while the other is dormant.
deep steppe
thats what i assumed, but just wanted to check. Tyty
cerulean tusk
Happy key farming o/
tall sky
quicjk qeuistion, I havent gotten much use out of spell block. I really only use spell reflect. is it viable to use the other tlaent tough as nails instead for raiding and mythic plus
urban portal
yes tough as nails is damage
humble schooner
quicjk qeuistion, I havent gotten much use out of spell block. I really only use...
I would just try to incorporate it more, there aren't a lot of times where you NEED to use it, but more DR is more DR, even on small trash packs etc
tall sky
truueeeb ut I feel like ill jsut ahve spell reflect up for those
also I jsut got this trinket, its crazy good
raw parcel
What’s that?
Short Time. Contrasts with Long Time (ST/LT). Basically you are paying for an hour or a night.
lusty tiger
0.o
strong forum
also I jsut got this trinket, its crazy good
I regret to inform you that it's the worst tank trinket this season
tall sky
whaaaat
strong forum
It's good as an initial upgrade, but if you want a tank trinket you should look into getting tree-splinter or granyths scale from dungeons
tall sky
but but, dmaage and shield
hardy snow
I regret to inform you that it's the worst tank trinket this season
You forgot about this seed trinket, that sometimes give you charge to heal or something like that 😄
strong forum
Yeah, small amounts of it
humble schooner
its useful until you get treemouth trinket
tall sky
damn
strong forum
You get at best like a 500k shield
Out of deco
Meanwhile every other trinket is 1mil+
humble schooner
CD should be like 1.5 min or less
humble schooner
its good until you can replace
strong forum
It's good initially, but as the season goes on you hard replace it
waxen frigate
Deco does quite a bit of dmg early on while you’re gearing. Especially if you cheese with it
urban portal
There’s a way to cheese deco damage
waxen frigate
There’s a way to cheese deco damage
Is that a question or a statement
grim pilot
Cheese
urban portal
Something like having the outward hitting 1 person
waxen frigate
Yeah it snapshots on the first hit
urban portal
And then the inward hitting everyone
waxen frigate
For the second hit
urban portal
So you can get poggers
waxen frigate
Yeah it’s supposed to split damage
That makes it not split
It just does the single target damage in an ale
Aoe*
I’m on mobile so can’t easily link a specific instance of it but if you look through that log you can see it most likely
tall sky
does this mean block too
waxen frigate
Crit contributes to parry
And there’s maybe some talents that do too
I’m not sure
potent anvil
tall sky
whats the best awakened tier set for us
tall sky
well raids are going to cycle for awakened so we can ahve access to all three tier sets right? with dif bonuses.
lusty grotto
no
tier set is the same
all raids drop the same tier set
which s3 for prot
s1 for arms
s2 for fury
with s2 mog look and stats
tall sky
oh okay
humble schooner
It should have been a "build your own set" type deal rather then recycling the same bonuses, although I am sure that would have led to some balance issues lol
plush tendon
I still retian we shouldve had 2p4p^3 power
I want all tier bonuses active at the same time
tall sky
can you enchant a shield?
strong forum
Nop
tall sky
gotrcha and what hsould I enchant my helm with? ant find incand essence on AH
strong forum
You unlock incandences essence by doing the amirdrassil raid
It's a quest that drops from gnarlroot
undone beacon
Did a spell reflect WA ever come about?
austere marsh
is mythic s3 gholak stronger than full upgraded mythic weapon?
crystal mauve
is mythic s3 gholak stronger than full upgraded mythic weapon?
You should be able to sit it
crystal mauve
Did a spell reflect WA ever come about?
What do you mean by spell reflect WA? It can do a lot of different things
undone beacon
Like something that tells me if whats targeting me is reflectable ig
this is my first season really devoting time to tanking haha
crystal mauve
You have WA that tell you you are being targeted, it’s a bit on you to know what can/should be reflected
undone beacon
I dont even have that yet whoops
lusty tiger
@waxen frigate do you have the gif of the brewmaster dying to jailer?
It’s kinda like this
toxic pewter
That’s me
humble schooner
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/759564659714949213/1233207622052610128/...
still not sure how this is possible, although I will say those shards hit pretty hard
wind oak
echo egret
I was obliterated through defensive stance by Frigid Shards on a +7 earlier, is that normal ?
lusty tiger
Probably
I remember s1 needing to rotate, sr, sb, sw, ls
And still being sketched out
And camping d stance
And impending victory off cd
strong forum
You gotta rotate CDs
Sr as often as you can unless chillstorm is coming up
Then you wanna hold SR for the overlap of chillstorm explosion ending
So you don't get clapped by explosion + shard
And rest is just sw and spellblock management
echo egret
Frigid Shards is the new Fiery Focus.
strong forum
The boss gets very easy once you know that she only does 3 shards in a row
It's all planning
echo egret
myeah, then you have your usual ret pala pulling aggro on whelps as they spawn (yes I know, his own fault)
icy flax
I got giga flamed for kiting the giant pull in AA in a 9 on my 480 pwar by the whole group and I'm like bruh what do u want from me
waxen frigate
<@135532750890467329> do you have the gif of the brewmaster dying to jailer?
cant find it
lusty tiger
median tulip
Can you parry the tankbuster attack on the 2nd boss of RLP?
hardy snow
Can you parry the tankbuster attack on the 2nd boss of RLP?
Yes, you receive less stacks then.
All-totem from LFR isnt that bad until I get something better 
median tulip
Yes, you receive less stacks then.
I did wonder why is was so variable
The Trogg boss in Ulda has also proved to be a complete dick this week
torn gulch
the bullshit pug experience already started this season
i have over 2k score and can t get invited in 10's because there is only one tank in this game
at this point we might as well remove the other 5 specs from the game
hardy snow
As a tank its easier to run your own key. DPS have hard time joining as well, so they will join group even if dh isnt tank there.
glacial grove
As a tank its easier to run your own key. DPS have hard time joining as well, so...
100% true
hardy snow
And if someone can choose between you, having 2k, and VDH that also have 2k, choice is obvious unfortunately.
torn gulch
what rubs me the wrong way about the whole vdh situation is that there is a an easy fix for the entire situation but they can't even bother to do it
hardy snow
what rubs me the wrong way about the whole vdh situation is that there is a an e...
Blizzard dont care about Dragonflight after 10.2.5. patch, so thats not surprise.
torn gulch
nea developers are not even doing their job at this point
the only thing that i'm gonna have fun with next xpac is if they reign in vdh control it will expose a lot of trash dps that don't press their utility
hardy snow
nea developers are not even doing their job at this point
Oh they do. Its just not regarding DF anymore.
torn gulch
there are separate teams working on current and future xpac the people that work on TWW do their job yes
and the people that work on things like mop remix
the two-three developers that were responsible for this season frankly did a poor job of it
hardy snow
there are separate teams working on current and future xpac the people that work...
Since 10.2.5. till end of expansion only content we get in DF is some questchain finishing story in 10.2.7. so I guess team from "current: expansion" is already gone and busy with something else 
pallid quiver
what rubs me the wrong way about the whole vdh situation is that there is a an e...
Yeah, VDH needs two more silence sigils
separate charges from the current ones ofc
I still find it funny how in all my non-tank pugging, I've found one VDH who's ever even pressed their CC abilities
teal swift
white umbra
make disrupting shout benefit from anger management? that would buff prot considerably
turbid elbow
grizzled nova
make disrupting shout benefit from anger management? that would buff prot consid...
best I can do is nothing at all until tww
take it or leave it
white umbra
grand veldt
best I can do is nothing at all until tww
Accurate blizzard dev
toxic pewter
I just pray they revert or nerf double sigils before war within
It’s the most imbalanced single talent in modern wow history
strong forum
All-totem from LFR isnt that bad until I get something better <a:hmmNod:94037693...
thats not even including the fact that the haste buff from all-totem grants you a personal bloodlust for 8seconds
and that the earth buff gives you like 800 strength
all-totem is literally your best dmg trinket in keys
aside from signet/anvil ofc
pallid quiver
it's not mine because i didn't get one, ez
strong forum
friend has a mythic one
shit does over 20k dps in a key
without even accounting the haste
pallid quiver
have you tried stealing their soul for their luck?
hardy snow
aside from signet/anvil ofc
with my guildies that I play keys with, signet/anvil is a no-go for keys, would have too much downtime
strong forum
my luck gave me 4pc on warrior and shaman, aswell as heroic broodkeeper ring on shammy
and heroic broodkeeper evoker staff on my evoker
hardy snow
my luck gave me eranog shield from mythic and all-totem from lfr 
pallid quiver
I'm still rocking 47x gear in a non-zero amount of slots, tho
hardy snow
and you can spend 2nd bullion on something else for now, as nm its still good
young wasp
How accurate is windfury on bloodmallet gang, should Prot warrior's be getting prio in windfury group?
waxen frigate
prot has always been one of the best windfury group members
pallid quiver
but if you tell a pug that, it's a 50/50 if you get kicked
so weigh your options if it's pug life
glacial skiff
is blazebinder hoof bad for M+?
it sims bad for 1.5/2m 5 target sims, but good for dungeon slice
warm plinth
We do not have an optimized APL for dungeon slice. Don't use it.
bleak breach
All totem is the one off Kurog yeah?
hexed nest
If I get a normal shield from gnarl next week how high is the priority of buying a shield with bullions?
orchid gulch
I'd say there's better options available than a shield, given that you can craft one on a fairly decent item level. Spend your bullions wisely.
lusty grotto
its whatever, bullions dont cap like in SL Fated (as in you dont get only 3 for the whole thing)
but crafting might be optimally better
and then grabbing it after a few weeks
warm plinth
Yeah get gholak and trinkets first, then get a shield if you still don't have a decent one
Shield can be your first craft if needed too
patent basalt
Should we still prio Gholak even if we have a mythic one hand? or is it a case of sim your self 😄
lusty grotto
Should we still prio Gholak even if we have a mythic one hand? or is it a case o...
mythic 1h is just your discount
so congrats, you dont get to spend crests when upping to myth level when you get gholak
young wasp
prot has always been one of the best windfury group members
I know, but my raid lead is an Arms warrior, and then we have another arms, a feral, and a demon hunter. How do I explain that Prot is basically bis?
lusty grotto
I know, but my raid lead is an Arms warrior, and then we have another arms, a fe...
link him this: https://bloodmallet.com/chart/windfury_totem
and then just remove the feral
if he doesnt and hes like "tanks dont dps" then youre fucked
find a new guild 🙂
young wasp
It's so depressing when I'm only behind like 10-15k behind the feral and arms while they're in windfury group
Like bruh just move over and let me do my thing
young wasp
Collection of 13 Terros pulls on Mythic
I can always be playing better, but something is clearly wrong if the dps who are in windfury group are barely doing more than me
strong forum
That is
strong forum
500ilvl and doing 160k dps is
lusty grotto
115k as arms, did he die?
strong forum
100%
lusty grotto
oh true lollllll
strong forum
I hope 90% of these dps have been dead for 1min+
young wasp
He's dying pretty frequently
young wasp
I think the whole section of pulls is kinda scuffed. We were 4 healing it and we don't have the dps to do it clearly so
The druid is a fresh swap to druid, and I believe both warriors just fotm swapped to arms
when they had been fury prior
Anyways point being, how do I express that I should be in windfury group. What more can I say beyond "more dps"
strong forum
Pwar is the 2nd best spec in the entire game to get windfury
Signed and cited - pwar TC
(sub rogue is technically by far the best but they don't have their Sims on there yet)
young wasp
strong forum
And evident from those parses, you will also make the most use of windfury buff
Cuz sometimes (most of the time) you don't do what's optimal on paper, but what's optimal with the tools given your circumstances
young wasp
Considering I'm the least likely to die, it makes sense as well
young wasp
I'll protect him with my life
pallid quiver
you're gonna need like seven more intervenes for that
enha life is suffering sometimes
fresh arrow
i actually move waka into windury group over the warriors but they move him back out
big sad
modern jewel
winter shard
Why is the drop chance so low for shields? I've run AV 20 times and have yet to see it drop.
lusty grotto
its not
rng is rng
i got it on my first 8
my shaman friend got it on our first 7 before that
violet ginkgo
holy F, reflecting the last boss at nokhud is really gg XD
thorny stone
It truly is, and on second boss aswell
violet ginkgo
Oh 2nd boss got to be baited sadly and I usually save reflect if I need to catch slightly further orb
oh the last boss though holy super free extra damage
radiant mortar
what can we reflect on tempest?
ionic fern
Wind Burst - he casts it if you're out of melee range.
ionic nimbus
Reflect owns s4 once again
willow moss
My output seems low, is there a person for videos like Equinox for Brew?
ionic fern
We can check your logs.
ANd provide you feedback.
Don't think there's a Prot specific youtuber.
daring coral
Have never tanked before. Just started a prot warrior to try it out. What are some general tips for prot, and tanking in general?
grim pilot
Keep shield block up, dont turn your back on mobs, remember to use your stops, dont overcap rage - dont be afraid to „overuse” ignore pain, it goes towards anger management (talent)
And dont be too shy with defensives in general
Dont use 5 of them at once but dont hold them for next dungeon
Mostly knowing the dungeons in general will give you a decent start to tanking because you’re aware of the routes (somewhat) and you might be aware of what hits hard
daring coral
I've done high keys as dps, so generally know the dungeons, but decided I wanted to challenge myself and also learn them from a different perspective
radiant mortar
Wind Burst - he casts it if you're out of melee range.
so everytime reflect is up again we run out to do it?
ionic fern
Yes.
radiant mortar
I alrdy see myself fall over for misplaying or one of the group get a stray hit
glacial grove
Hello, do we go for Sarkareth-cloak this season?
jagged pier
no
glacial grove
So shadowflame?
jagged pier
sure
glacial grove
Alright. Thank you.
ivory grove
Is there a good list/guide for what to use reflect on?
waxen cradle
Hey guys is the last boss ofAzure vault been trucking hard for any of you, or does the mechanic just have a super high dps check to break the crystals fast enough before Fracture goes off
tawny mulch
The shield is pretty beefy but if you have competent dps it should be fine
and as for boss damage SR on the dragon strike negates lal damage
If SR is down just pop IP and wall
Or spell block
waxen cradle
yeah I had a feeling it had a high dps requirement the dps were having a hard time breaking all the crystals
in my group anyway
tawny mulch
The dps should just hard swap to the hardened crystal and cleave the others
as prot you can aoe the small crystals if you time your cd's properly
waxen cradle
yeah I was wondering what the issue was, I had noticed they were not hard swapping
thanks for the heads up
tawny mulch
Np
waxen frigate
yeah I had a feeling it had a high dps requirement the dps were having a hard ti...
They need to hard swap
Ultimately in a pug you can’t do a whole lot
Other than hope that you have enough timer left that you can tell them to hard swap after you wipe
waxen cradle
Yeah they were not, I was setting there like wth am I supposed to do to make this easier
other than that the boss damage to me was completely manageable, but with Fracture going off yeah no way
waxen frigate
Yeah if fracture goes off on any meaningful key level it’s a wipe
You don’t really recover from that easily
As pwarr you do have some good prio dmg so you can hop onto the hardened crystal asap and try to contribute extra
But you can’t hard carry it
waxen cradle
Yeah I was target swapping to the main crystal but the dps I had were not so I figured we were in for a bad time
To be fair I am not a fan for Blizzard choosing every DF dungeon for the last season, but it is what it is
austere marsh
weapon upgrade gives discount for future weapons no matter if 1h/2h right?
quick elk
I am getting trucked by chargath, I don’t remember him hitting so hard in previous seasons.
I’m 99% sure it’s a skill issue on my part.
But how are you guys dealing with his damage phase?
dusky canopy
It’s because the damage is now only done to the tank as a bleed
You gotta defensive every single time
Or get help from external
If you’ve wiped to it recently look at your damage taken from that boss only
You’ll see what I mean
He trucks
quick elk
I’ll take a look at my logs, knowing this does make me a feel a little better about dying to it multiple times this week.
Thanks
Can the bleed be dwarf racialed?
plush tendon
I was able to do Chargath as a 480 Warrior on a 10
you should have SW for each one
Spell block every other
and just stay in D-Stance during the chain break
shut summit
its not a bleed, its physical/magic damage in the same hit + debuff when chain breaks, so you just rotate CDs and make sure block stays up
quick elk
I was able to do Chargath as a 480 Warrior on a 10
If it’s a bleed, spell block won’t do a thing?
Ahhh
plush tendon
still hurts like a truck
plush tendon
I hope its not bleed
shut summit
2nd boss in RLP is bleed maybe what you were thinkin of
plush tendon
the thing is called like Feiry Demise or something
and hes shooting fire at you
if thats a bleed, then this game makes no sense
dusky canopy
Idr I swear I saw a screenshot in here showing it as the DW icon and it was mentioned in that conversation as being bleed now and nobody knew why
But again
Listen to sense
waxen cradle
They did just nerf Chargath luckily so that will help in some way
To be fair I am significantly looking forward to Pandaria timerunning, despite varied opinions, and what others may have thought, MoP was a great time to be a warrior
plush tendon
To be fair I am significantly looking forward to Pandaria timerunning, despite v...
except we arent getting the old talent trees 😦
dusky canopy
except we arent getting the old talent trees 😦
I was bummed when I learned this!
waxen cradle
yeah I was big time bummed also
vocal flame
To be fair I am significantly looking forward to Pandaria timerunning, despite v...
I can't wait to play it. Season 4 is boring AF
undone beacon
Trying to pug keys in the morning is a nightmare
grim pilot
Idr I swear I saw a screenshot in here showing it as the DW icon and it was ment...
Old combat rogue icon iirc
undone beacon
Two groups couldnt make it through the first room with the lashers smh
waxen cradle
thefeelsman the feels
don't feel too bad was pugging Raz H yesterday and had a dps run over 5 or 6 people and nuke them with static charge not a min into the fight was good times
only 2 possibilities either they were trolling or had no clue
they literally just stood there, we ran and they followed so my guess trolling
I leapt away so no issue as I was not holding the boss at the time, others not so lucky
knotty stump
What spec are you guys planning on opening the vault in?
waxen cradle
shit thats a good question, I have not decided yet
waxen cradle
though it is still early for me so my brain is in I need food and coffee mode
plush tendon
though... the first bosses on mythic do drop shields
waxen cradle
yeah true
plush tendon
so maybe arms?
waxen cradle
and not a hard boss to kill to be fair
plush tendon
but also, im just gonna bullion trinkets I want
waxen cradle
I am gonna bullion weapon and get it out of the way early
plush tendon
oh yea, Gholaks is first purchase
waxen cradle
not wasting time, I want it done
undone beacon
Big Gholak Gamers?!
Grabbing Gholak on the warr, Rashon on the hunter, and Dreambinder on the mage
📈
waxen cradle
I am noticing there is a slight difference of opinion on second ring, I would think it would be everyone leaning towards Diurna's and Filial duty
plush tendon
and DH we going Durina ring if not in vault
gonna wait on Thorncaller till after Amidrissil week
plush tendon
I am noticing there is a slight difference of opinion on second ring, I would th...
Durina is a hard get
The Fillial duty is mixed
since the stats are mid AF
waxen cradle
yeah
plush tendon
but that may just be a sim angle
waxen cradle
cool I will look at how things sim over the weeks
definitely getting Diurna's ring second buy, but as for the other ring its up in the air
would be happy as hell if I could pull a high item level unstable ring from vault
plush tendon
I think for War its Gholaks, Duirna, then trinket of choice
if having fun/raiding, probably a Anvil
waxen cradle
yep thats my bullion buy path
undone beacon
I got an lfr Kurog totem and it seems to be doing pretty good
plush tendon
its solid for keys
undone beacon
Logged in late for raid and missed watching 2 drop on heroic though 
undone beacon
Yeah im mostly tanking keys for the B-group of my guild so
waxen cradle
Had 2 grieftorchs fall in normal and 2 fall in heroic and no I did not win, but rolling as low as I did added insult to injury
plush tendon
but if you rocking a All-Totem, you aint mad
undone beacon
I think my goal is a splinter + rageheart or dreadplate?
plush tendon
Splinter you only need for high key pushing
undone beacon
I mean I'm bad so it would get use at any level haha
waxen cradle
Yeah I would rather run Rageheart for anything outside of high key pushes
plush tendon
if you want a def trinket
Splinter and Cheat is like the pillow man trinket combo for the high key pushers
but totally not necessary for us normies
undone beacon
Yeah I just want another "I fucked up" trinket for the def side
plush tendon
Dreadplate pumps damage
waxen cradle
yeah true
undone beacon
Thats what I'm reading, looking forward to seeing it in action
waxen cradle
yeah my bad I had it mixed up with another
undone beacon
Yeah cuz before didnt it not send the beams if the plate didnt break?
And now when plates time out it just goes boom?
plush tendon
i was basically useless in S2
yea; its like Twilight Dev
so you gotta make sure mobs are in front
undone beacon
I mean if mobs arent in front of us we have an issue haha
Hmmm this is all good to know
waxen cradle
Correction : ultimately not planning run to defense trinkets at any time unless something goes horribly wrong in keys, and if thats the case I will just leave
I usually dont but if the ship is sinking I'm not going down with it
My brain needs to fully wake up, I work third shift so being up in the morning is messing with me, causing me make statements that are not fully thought out
luckily my rotation gives me several days on and several days off at a time so not complaining
undone beacon
I wonder if dreadplates would be good on survival hunter hmmm
waxen cradle
have not played hunter in a LONG time and not even sure if its a drop for them so I cannot comment
undone beacon
Well its not in their loot spec but dreadplate is str/agi so they can use it
Also it can be bought with bullion
waxen cradle
yeah true... not sure I would waste bullion on that early though I would say that is a purchase for down the road
for hunters anyway
undone beacon
Oh yeah for sure not a priority purchase but I'm still wondering if its worth getting my grubby little paws on one haha
See if I can wrest it from one of our raid tanks
waxen cradle
if you could get it you could just sim it, or for that matter you could sim it anyway
undone beacon
true
I got the nokhud damage proc sword, now I get to bin it for Gholak lol
RIP Strike Twice
waxen cradle
lol nice
not a bad sword, but big daddy Gholak is king
love that weapon and have loved it since I got it last season
waxen frigate
See if I can wrest it from one of our raid tanks
Any self respecting raid tank will die before letting you take their Gholak
waxen cradle
true
undone beacon
Any self respecting raid tank will die before letting you take their Gholak
Oh I'm not taking their Gholak, I'm stealing their Enduring Dreadplate haha
hardy snow
It will take time for most people to kill Fyrakk on mythic, so its easier to spend bullion
undone beacon
yeah fyrakk weapons are easy bullion
I just want a defensive trinket for my surv hunter so I'm either gonna nab a rageheart, dreadplate, or ward at some point
lusty grotto
yeah they are great picks for non tanks with a bullion
toxic pewter
am I wrong or did I read that some people were able to get 2 bullions in the first week, I can't remember if I read that or not
lusty grotto
at least for r1 keys
pretty sure that wasnt intended apb
if it happened im sure it got reverted
toxic pewter
Yeah I guess doesnt really matter that much
waxen cradle
I did see it, and/or read it somewhere but I don't remember what happened from there on
lusty grotto
yeah but im not sure what character to get up
waxen cradle
yeah definitely planning to remix
toxic pewter
I need to collect everything
waxen cradle
kind of bored with S4 so far, or in general, that could change, but I'm not counting on it
lusty grotto
im not
toxic pewter
did u guys see they may make a cosmetic item for garrosh's shoulders
lusty grotto
so ill be playing both
waxen frigate
are you all planning to play remix basically
undone beacon
I'm gonna level a funny little shaman and collect all the things in remix
lusty grotto
both are still retail after all
undone beacon
its gonna be hype
toxic pewter
yah I like that races are eligible for their heritage armors and stuff from remix
waxen cradle
yeah I'm glad they made a cosmetic item, and very happy given how many times I have tried to get those shoulders and failed to
toxic pewter
i am going to play my most hated spec
to see if it actually changes my views on them
lusty grotto
i dont really have a retail warlock or shaman so its either those 2... or get a new monk/dk up
waxen cradle
what is your most hated spec ?
waxen frigate
Warlock is the one class I’ve never gotten to level cap
toxic pewter
all of them except prot warr of course
lusty grotto
i havent played monk/dk/priest since legion
waxen cradle
ah lol ok figured that was it
lusty grotto
yeah same nish
toxic pewter
warlock does sound kind of fun
waxen frigate
My priest isn’t 70 I don’t think
Still stuck in the shadowlands
Shaman I got to 70 and hated
toxic pewter
priest and dk only class i havent gotten to 70 apparently
waxen cradle
Dk lost a lot of enjoyment for me after Legion so I might dip my foot back in and see if I enjoy it
near pewter
Anyone know if you can block/parry while channeling grieftorch?
waxen frigate
No
lusty grotto
no
waxen cradle
that was pretty awesome synced no responses
waxen cradle
never suggested it was not the first time
toxic pewter
cant you move when channeling grieftorch now or something
lusty grotto
you can
compact forum
How's everyone dealing with first boss in AA? I popped shield for first round of the flower poison. 2nd round I had to kite it out and it felt pretty dicey.
crystal turret
Typically chain ccs and burst dps cds to kill them quickly. So unfortunately your group has to help.
lusty grotto
if they dont dispel they arent doing it right
so
tell them
as an alternative, pick the crit buff and hope you got enough crit to parry
either they dispel or play stops or you wipe
its that simple
you cant babysit that
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You can also take that one self-dispel for poison if you're desperate
Bitter Immunity iirc
lusty grotto
if youre at that point
youre either doing 16s
(which wont happen cause you will get dispelled)
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You overestimate the ability of pugs
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I need everything in my toolkit to be as self-sufficient as possible because its a gamble relying on them
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they dont dispel, you wipe, a dps leaves and you find another key
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Well bitter immunity is still always an option if people want it 👍
lusty grotto
if your healer cannot the very basic function of dispelling, thats not a group you want to be in anyway
its a 3min cd
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sad priest noises
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Guildie mains priest so we make do
lusty grotto
on tyrannical lol
so take a paladin
druid, shaman
and fit the slot with what you need
monk even
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We run the two hunter, two warrior, priest comp because we're real gamers