compared to SF
#protection
strong forum
waxen frigate
Padgodx
jagged girder
I can't go wrong with SF anyways, right?
waxen frigate
Correct
jagged girder
Ty guys ❤️
vocal cave
Yo anyone else have troubles adding sockets to neck?
maiden forge
hardy snow
wind prawn
Does anyone know of a good dinar priorty list for prot?
jagged pier
gholaks
wind prawn
Or whatever they are called now 🙂
wind prawn
That is what i thout it would be, thanks!
hardy snow
Can we spellblock fire part of new tankbuster on chain boss in Neltharus? 🤔
wind prawn
Not sure but in a +7 that boss absoulty shreaded me 495 ilevel
Does shadowflame damage proc the raid rings? Anyone know?
lusty grotto
yes
wind prawn
Thanks
lusty grotto
which is why ring is
important
see pins
you were asking about a prio list and its pinned
basically everything procs the rings
gholak, patches, anvil/signet
urban bane
Can we spellblock fire part of new tankbuster on chain boss in Neltharus? 🤔
i believe so; i was log snooping on warriors who did higher neltharus and i recall it reducing the damage
lusty grotto
no
urban bane
We can't?
lusty grotto
you cant spell block it you can
urban bane
Well rip me
lusty grotto
you can only block the physical portion, as it is in the sheet
the fire will melt you
hardy snow
lusty grotto
its overtuned and we're outgeared
err
undergeared
you basically need to hit all 3 chains ASAP
hardy snow
Ive found something like this in someone other's logs
lusty grotto
crit stonks go to the moon 🙂
urban bane
if only it was beta DF and we still had Die By The Sword as a talent 
lusty grotto
or 50% party ravager
urban bane
surely that would make prot warrior too overpowered /s
lusty grotto
thats a meme
urban bane
lusty grotto
but parry 🙂
thats a log of my runs yesterday
only fiery focus fire portion is displayed
urban bane
thanks Nim for correcting me on that. very glad to know that before I show my ass in my nelth run tonight
hardy snow
how the hell you can parry magic attack, but not spellblock it
urban bane
pausing
lusty grotto
i didnt have spell block there im an idiot
urban bane
😆
lusty grotto
ok yeah those logs dont prove anything
pallid quiver
its overtuned and we're outgeared
New encounter difficulty: mobs can grind new gear to fight you with
lusty grotto
i have another nelth
i can make sure im hitting it
i was just scrambling for chains on the later runs cause holy shit
lusty grotto
sim
hardy snow
I've found this also
sick sentinel
okok thanks
hardy snow
cause k-values
I dont know how it is in M+, but in mythic raid with 493 shield tooltip shows me 53.36% against boss
519 makes it 58,29
hardy snow
so blocking 150k out of 822k is weird
lusty grotto
anyway that log does prove it can be spell blocked
ima try it on my run
yeah i see what youre saying
tall sky
so many buttons any tips? I cant keep up
jagged pier
i mean i dont see
sick sentinel
just be mindful
humble schooner
doesn't feel like there are that many
humble schooner
haha I just haven't moved them off
lusty grotto
fair
humble schooner
don't actually use them
humble schooner
there, better? haha
lusty grotto
👍
humble schooner
berserker rage will be back in like 6 months, it will stay
lusty grotto
yaaaa
lusty grotto
yes
tall sky
interrupt and throw, charge and victory rush
jow
waxen frigate
what tha mean
Wtsstadamit
weak imp
guys how many ilvl uppgrade do you need to break 4set?
sick sentinel
#showtooltip charge
/cast [@mouseover, help, nodead] Intervene
/cast [help, nodead] Intervene
/cast [harm, nodead] Charge
/cast Victory Rush
#showtooltip Pummel
/cast [@mouseover, harm, nodead,exists] Heroic Throw; heroic throw
/cast [target=focus,exists] pummel;pummel
waxen frigate
#showtooltip charge
/cast [@mouseover, help, nodead] Intervene
/cast [help, node...
🤨
sick sentinel
why
lusty grotto
the intervene/charge one is fine
tall sky
what WA do you guys use to track ceds and rage?
lusty grotto
why waste a victory rush idk
sick sentinel
charge cant be casted in melee range and victory rush cant be casted outside of it
lusty grotto
mouse over heroic throw with pummel... screams youll miss a kick
sick sentinel
if you dont spam charge its fine
lusty grotto
shrug
sick sentinel
same idea with throw and kick
sick sentinel
just save some keybind
tall sky
wait so dont bind pummel and throw togetrher?
sick sentinel
i mean
lusty grotto
and then youre dead
sick sentinel
i dont usually use throw except on pull so
ill be like 20 yrd away from targets when i press it
lusty grotto
yeah that one is highly NOT recommended
sick sentinel
its just habits
lusty grotto
wouldnt touch it with a 10 foot pole
not worth
theres more than enough bind slots for our shit
if you do sub 8s then i guess it really doesnt matter, anything higher you can actually miss a kick and get fucked
pallid quiver
but nim i can only fit 5 binds
tall sky
thehn what should I bind together here?
lusty grotto
nothing ideally
waxen frigate
Binding things together is rarely good
pallid quiver
there's not much prot warrior can bind together; macros that do exist don't even reduce binds, they either keep you at equilibirum or make more binds
tall sky
dman alright
pallid quiver
CDs get desynced from each other, and eeach button serves an important separate purpose
pallid quiver
on your end, there's also an entire row of keys you haven't touched yet (Z, X, C, etc)
lusty grotto
SS, TC, SB, IP, Wall are the important ones
waxen cradle
point for point are we still leaning towards shadowflame on bracers and cloak
waxen frigate
Specs that bind multiple abilities together are like… fury, DKs, outlaw
lusty grotto
point for point are we still leaning towards shadowflame on bracers and cloak
yes see pins
waxen frigate
I don’t think any non-BDK tank combines abilities into one macro regularly
humble schooner
got this from TW box just now, neat!
humble schooner
hax
tall sky
opkay how about this one tho
pallid quiver
It doesn't reduce binds, it just replaces your Ignore Pain bind
tall sky
so thats one less bind
pallid quiver
It helps you snipe Shield Slam resets automatically
No, you still have a separate Shield Slam bind
tall sky
gotcha
pallid quiver
If you always spent rage before pressing SS, you'd rage starve yourself and ruin your rage economy
That macro is specifically designed to catch things like Devastator SS resets to help your rage economy, letting you get rage back ASAP
torn gulch
most of them on my mouse plus some macros
lusty grotto
why does that WA say World of Warcraft lol
lusty grotto
humble schooner
Function keybinds man, psycho behavior (jk!)
lusty grotto
those are for mmo mouse probably or keyboard macro keys
humble schooner
haha, yeah I use a naga and bind to numpad
torn gulch
f1-f12, sf1-f12, ctrlf1-f12 and some more
humble schooner
I've known some people who use Function keys for legit keybinds, often wonder how I ended up friends with them
torn gulch
that's actual psycho behaviour
i want my fingers whole in old age
i already feel like i am on piano on my prot warrior as it is
tall sky
any tips? I feel like Iw as tkaing alot of damage in a M0. my item level is 469
lusty grotto
hard to say, we would need to see logs
tall sky
logs?
lusty grotto
warcraftlogs
median tulip
any tips? I feel like Iw as tkaing alot of damage in a M0. my item level is 469
Are you keeping Shield Block up? Not getting hit in the back?
tall sky
trying too, but its hard to keep shield block and ignore pain up while rying to smack a hoe with my shield
jagged pier
we need lorgs
median tulip
But yeah, to really give tips we need logs
tall sky
let me look into how to give those rq
lusty grotto
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a:MwzgJPH7XZfR38Np logs like this
lusty grotto
trying too, but its hard to keep shield block and ignore pain up while rying to ...
try running heroic
median tulip
trying too, but its hard to keep shield block and ignore pain up while rying to ...
Ignore Pain is just so you don't overcap on rage; SB and IP are off-GCD so they don't interfere with Shield Slam anyway
lusty grotto
practice keeping Shield Block up
that has to be up as close to 100% uptime as possible
median tulip
As long as all melee attacks are blocked it's all good
tall sky
alright
humble schooner
I'd recommend having some sort of incoming damage enabled, so you can tell when taking physical damage vs magical
tall sky
why does that matter?
lusty grotto
I'd recommend having some sort of incoming damage enabled, so you can tell when ...
thats not necessary
lusty grotto
you always need SB
always
all the time
cause it pumps your SS damage
thats a non factor in DF
always have SB up
humble schooner
dmg isnt' everything, need IP sometimes for magic damage DR
sick sentinel
IP or Revenge is that choice
SB is not
unless youre at like 20s left or seomthing
lusty grotto
dmg isnt' everything, need IP sometimes for magic damage DR
damage IS everything
you need damage to keep threat
you want SS to hit harder, especially on outburst windows to generate more rage
and more so
you need SB up in order to spell block
spell block without SB just leaves blocking to chance which you dont want
median tulip
Gholak
sick sentinel
the weapon?
lusty grotto
sick sentinel
thanks god
lusty grotto
hope that helps
sick sentinel
oh god so we need 60 each
median tulip
Remember the weekly cap is 120 this season
sick sentinel
wait
but if i already have a 522 weapon
that means i only need 30 aspect
right?
median tulip
Should be, yes
lusty grotto
yea
sick sentinel
ok thank god
median tulip
I can get to 496 MH for free
lusty grotto
also for those of you
median tulip
Most use I've had out of Fyralath tbh
lusty grotto
going for leggo upgrade first
if you fully upgrade leggo after upgrade
it'll make your shield + 1 hander upgrades free
median tulip
Does it work on Shields?
median tulip
Huh, TIL
woven radish
Oooh nice defensive stance buff for prot on new alpha build, no longer reduces damage dealt
humble schooner
not bad, the 5% currently is basically nothing
that and you try not to be in dstance in most cases anyway
raw plover
Is using a SS and shield block macro a good idea? Did not see it in the guide
jagged pier
Bad
U can macro ss after sb
This will allow u to snipe ss resets when u cast sb
But u still need a ss keybind
bleak breach
I’ve got IP to SS macro
So worth doing SB to SS too?
Guess it wouldn’t hurt anything anyway
mild jolt
at what ilv is it worth to break the 4pc set ? got new shoulders that are 20 ilv over, but cant get a 2pc atleast.
or do i want to swap the t3 4pc all at once?
strong forum
30 ilvl on 2 items
mild jolt
thx
half stone
Sorry by bad will take my excitement to the other thread.
mild jolt
sweet
sick sentinel
worth the hustle?
crimson umbra
even more worth at hero track from hard mode
median tulip
Just got a Strike Twice lol
blazing condor
big
pallid quiver
dungeon loot is fake news
warm plinth
who cares about cheat trinkets smfh
humble schooner
depends on the content you are doing really
oak ivy
I do pretty frequent DPS offspec depending on the needs of the group: do I upgrade my chest for both w/ my first spark or my shield for MS
icy flax
Can you parry/block during grieftorch
strong forum
Nop
knotty stump
What are you guys using your spark on first?
hardy snow
What are you guys using your spark on first?
back or wrists
knotty stump
cool, thanks
strong forum
I Main dps these days so probably vers wrists
onyx hearth
Sometimes I really don't know what i'am doing and just slam the keyboard, is this ok?
pallid quiver
yeah better than most prot tanks
warm plinth
@lusty grotto you like my M+ score this season so far? 😏
pallid quiver
that's better than my 449
warm plinth
Thanks
pallid quiver
It means Ghash is a murderer, and the police are looking for him.
warm plinth
i... dont know what that is
my online ranking in dead by daylight
icy flax
what tank trinkets r doin good(not raid)
pallid quiver
like defensive trinkets or just trinkets to use as prot?
icy flax
defensive trinkets
pallid quiver
you've really only have treemouth, then
icy flax
the one from nokhud got some changes i believe
pallid quiver
yeah, it's now not an absolute waste
it's still not great
and outclassed by tons of other trinkets
placid frigate
hrm worth breaking s3 4pc for 21 ilvl upgrade?
kind glen
I've seen peole with fun colored names say 30ilvl
lusty grotto
my online ranking in dead by daylight <:keks:936231610850897992>
nice!
lusty grotto
the one from nokhud got some changes i believe
only treemouth
and m0 doti cheat
nothing else matters
granyth is "okay" just not the best
iron geode
i have no itens from last season because my warrior is brand new, so no trinkets and no tier
for my first buy i was thinking fyrak axe
what should i get from second?
still eranog ring over a trinket?
and what trinkets are looking good for m+?
i was thinking maybe anvil and dreadplate
but it’s my first season as port so i don’t really know
ionic fern
still eranog ring over a trinket?
Yes, still Eranog ring.
There are plenty of decent trinkets that you can play, but only 1 Eranog ring.
It comes around only once every so often.
ionic fern
and what trinkets are looking good for m+?
Dreadplates is solid.
Anvil / Signet are solid, given that you can keep the buff up.
Rageheart / All-Totem / Augury.
Unfortunately most of our better trinkets come from raid.
There's Treemouth as a defensive one from m+, and Idol of Trampling Hooves / Blazebinder's Hoof as DPS ones.
iron geode
ok, ty!
ionic fern
Brake the chains fast.
Ggwp.
Done.
Just did it on a 10 yesterday, and it diddn't seem as bad as everyone made it out to be.
We just broke the chains real fast.
steel mist
but you did the strat to break the chains really quick so it wont bite the dust
got it
thank you
steel mist
isnt that going to overwhelm the healer?
steel mist
oh
ok
2 then 1 got it
I had a mage who has the chain and he was not not moving with it.
you do what you got to do
bring the boss to him
ionic fern
steel mist
and kill him
ionic fern
We tried em all.
1-1-1, 2-1, 3
And 2-1 was by far the best.
This was my HP during that.
I diddn't know what to expect, so i only IP for the first one.
But it still seems overtuned vs most other bosses from tank damage PoV.
ionic fern
I had a mage who has the chain and he was not not moving with it.
Je, in pugs i would also run the boss over DPS'ers myself.
Can't trust them.
😂
lusty grotto
btw
mwahi
tempest reflect work 100% of the time
well unless you get server ticked
like what happened with Lord waycrest
i did 4 nok runs today and no issues, except on just one
time for 
oh yea
we did 2-1 also
on nelth
ionic fern
Hi.
Ya, i had no further issues with it either.
Only that 1 run it was bugging out.
Thank you for the feedback.
And good night.
ebon wren
does rageheart proc seal of filial duty
oak ivy
kinda piggybacking off of the above question: Do we like the fire rings? The TW quest just dropped me the absorb ring
jagged pier
jagged pier
u just need to use a defensive
echo egret
Still feels completely overtuned compared to other bosses
Does spell block work against the fire part of Fiery Focus ?
ionic fern
ionic fern
Does spell block work against the fire part of Fiery Focus ?
Don't think so.
ionic fern
Still feels completely overtuned compared to other bosses
Ya, i used nothing on the first one and it was spooky.
But if you use defensives properly, it's w/e.
echo egret
Especially when DPS wait here for you to move the boss onto their chain.
ionic fern
Jeh.
It's definitely over-tuned, but as long as you expect the damage and don't wait too long with chains, it's manageable.
echo egret
I'll make sure to tell my pugs to keep spreading the chains in opposite directions 🙂
dusky sentinel
Im glad u guys are discussing it cause I was like wth. Used defs but it was like "hot damn!". Then again. The healer wasnt really ready. So have to do a rerun
ionic fern
Jeah.
It's just a combination of being over-tuned, people not expecting it, and people underestimating the new "levels" for m+.."oh, just a +10" etc.
blazing condor
ionic fern
I hope i was.
Half my WA's don't work atm so nothing is screaming at me when i slack.
urban bane
i thought if you never change stance after the start of the key no stance buff gets detected -- maybe is that?
next apex
Anyone else in here In love with Disrupting shout and wish it was baseline?
urban bane
i dont love its opportunity cost
next apex
Ngl it’s just the coolest part about prot paladin for me but on my fav tank lmao
urban bane
id be into it if it was part of challenging shout, sure, thatd own
hardy snow
Don't think so.
it does, but block is weaker than it should be somehow
next apex
Yah there’s just not any points for it in the build. But hey spell block is also really sick too so can’t have every thing. But one can dream
hardy snow
you can also parry this
urban bane
acquire crit 
parry spells 
what a half cooked ability change
was the circle of death he originally did in s2 really that bad? im just confused why the change to the boss in the first place.
ionic fern
was the circle of death he originally did in s2 really that bad? im just confuse...
I can't remember that boss being bad..
Then again, i only did 20 - 22 in S2.
urban bane
likewise. but i always tanked it ya around there
idle quartz
Anyone else in here In love with Disrupting shout and wish it was baseline?
Yeah I do. 😦 I also love Titanic Throw and I’m upset they’re doing away with it
waxen frigate
I can't remember that boss being bad..
It wasn’t for tanks at all
If you broke 3 chains on higher keys though it could be monka
Granted iirc that was s2 so god comp
waxen frigate
10 = 20 i think.
In terms of rewards yes but they slightly changed scaling last weekend right before the season started
So it’s actually an 11 level drop in terms of equivalent difficulty
10 = 21, 5 = 16, etc
gilded tendonBOT
🧦
ionic fern
Eyir rocks.
gilded tendonBOT
thank u @ionic fern
waxen frigate
Eyir rocks.
I hate robots
mortal brook
Shut up you stupid robot I’m going to crush your metal body
Eyir sucks?
gilded tendonBOT
fuk u @mortal brook
mortal brook
Hi friend
waxen frigate
We’re friends? 👉👈
mortal brook
👋
waxen frigate
Hope you are doing well and hope you got Alpha.
Beta male
mortal brook
No tank stuff anyways
hoary bough
chargath utterly destroyed me, I didn't do s2, how do you do that?
like defensives, i get, but i pop everything and die before the 3rd chain
do I kite it or keep attacking for rage IP, etc? my group told me to kite
orchid gulch
That's the boss with the chain in Nelth, right?
hoary bough
yeah
vital sinew
Aye
hoary bough
like i proc cheat, i proc priest GS, and i have shield wall up and spell reflect/spell block, my gear is 490 on a +3 too, so not like i'm insanely undergeared
orchid gulch
Pop a defensive, then have the DPS pop their chain max 2 at a time
It is a fairly decent hit on the tank, and the chains cause a good DOT on the group when popped
hoary bough
some of my hits are 85k for fiery focus, some are like 400k/344k
is that like a back hit maybe?
waxen frigate
chargath utterly destroyed me, I didn't do s2, how do you do that?
It was changed
It hits significantly harder
orchid gulch
Sounds like it wasn't blocked if it is physical damage
waxen frigate
Lots of groups are just full instant breaking because it’s the only way for a tank to live
orchid gulch
Not quite sure if it's physical or fire right now
waxen frigate
And the group just heals through it
hoary bough
looks like both?
orchid gulch
Seems so, but the fire part is much higher, so if you are struggling with it cycling spell block and shield wall may be an idea
hoary bough
i struggled with it even when combining them lmao
orchid gulch
Depends on the key level then, the dungeon journal shows base numbers
I. E. 600k-ish unmitigated damage on m0
hoary bough
is the dmg proximity at all? like should i be trying to get as far away as possible from him
orchid gulch
You can leap away, I think he moves slower during the effect, but it also makes the chains a bit more unreliable
hoary bough
so it does do more dmg if you're next to him? I can't find anything in the dungeon journal
and i was thinking maybe i can slam him for some more rage for IP whilst waiting for debuff if there's no proximity issue
orchid gulch
I'd recommend to kite him around this season
Preferably towards your chain squad to make breaking them easier
hoary bough
all righty, and for the leap, do I want to be really far away from him? is that proximity too?
orchid gulch
Proximity should be a small circle around his feet, so staying moderately far away from him should be more than sufficient
jagged pier
Chargath has been changed this season and actually does tank damage during the chains phase. You should plan accordingly with your cds + d stance and externals. Also try to plan out chains doing 2 chains then 1 seems to be the fastest/safer way to do it when u get into higher keys
orchid gulch
There's actually good advise, disregard my ramblings
echo egret
Chargath has been changed this season and actually does tank damage during the c...
+5 tyrannical - def stance + shield wall and I was dead fast
hoary bough
got through a +2, popped all 3 and the healer died, ressed, then on the 2nd time it was so damn horrid, losing like 60% of my health so early
the rest of the dungeon felt like an old school +2
orchid gulch
Dunno, I ran a casual 3 at some point when I've had a moment and I barely took a scratch
hoary bough
would love your PoV in a video if you do it again, I'm almost certain i'm doing at least something wrong
i never played s2
tbf, when the healer died to the triple chain, it wasn't even to the dot dmg, they ate a circle apparently lmao
so i think in +2s you can at least triple chain
orchid gulch
S2 was ignore the mechanics and continue as usual, but they buffed it's damage, specifically because it didn't scratch tanks
hoary bough
wish they'd revert it 😦 don't get why they make dungeons harder on a season with all df dungeons -- these dungeons are rough enough with no reprieve
median tulip
Neltharus is pretty damn easy regardless, as long as the rest of the group do the actual mechanics
hoary bough
entire dungeon felt like a breeze except for that one damn boss
median tulip
The chain guy is literally just "do your DPS use their defensives?"
hoary bough
99% of the dungeon in battle stance, and the 1% where i'm in defensive i'm still proccing cheat through shield wall
quick girder
when do we break S3 4 piece?
orchid gulch
99% of the dungeon in battle stance, and the 1% where i'm in defensive i'm still...
BTW, which cheat are you using?
hoary bough
BTW, which cheat are you using?
scale from megadungeon
not BSV if that's what you were wondering lmao
orchid gulch
Yeah, I'd like them to actually fix that one
hoary bough
what's wrong with it? i've just never touched it
would love to take BSV for that dungeon lmao, just for that boss
waxen frigate
what's wrong with it? i've just never touched it
It just doesn’t work lmao
orchid gulch
It triggers pre mitigation
waxen frigate
At least not at all in the way it’s supposed to
hoary bough
💀
orchid gulch
If a hit bringes you theoretically into it's triggers range but you block 80% of it you sit there on almost full health and don't have it when needed
hoary bough
yeeesh
orchid gulch
Having access to a baked in cheat death would be neat, too bad ours is garbage
hoary bough
yeah, and that particular cheat would be perfect for that boss
warm plinth
It's not a cheat death anyway
orchid gulch
No, but I wish it was, it might actually be useful 
lyric glen
You guys having threat issues? If I have people with the legendary or just a paladin/monk in the group it is a hell life, for m+ to keep aggro, Yesterday we did heroic raid, Even on normal raid I couldnt hold aggro, I NEVER had this much aggro issues. (I heard other people I know that is tanks have threat issues too even monks , Dh tanks and pally tanks talked to different people) Have they lowered our threat? I cant see anything about that in any posts. Im crying a bit on the inside for sure 😭 ( Broodkeeper Diurna on HC was hell fight fighting adds and keeping aggro on the adds.
You cant aggro them when they land it takes a few seconds, and when they do, a thunderclap is NOT enough to get aggro back on them.
Please say im not the only warrior tank having these issues? 😛 I guess its getting more gear, atm 492 ilvl
hushed harbor
I'm having issues with people thinking that pulling ahead of me is helping and then they die, but thats just #newpatchthings
hardy snow
You guys having threat issues? If I have people with the legendary or just a pa...
Do you have any logs? I personally didn't have any issues on nm and hc raid.
orchid gulch
Threat is unchanged. If you are experiencing threat issues it is usually because a DPS does about 4-5ish times your damage and thus pulls aggro off of you.
A particularily vulnerable moment for threat loss would be the adds on broodkeeper when people pop their AOE burst right away
lusty grotto
yeah threat is unchanged, youre just getting overgeared
its common on new patches
get a better weapon
or come next week when you get gholak with bullions, you'll stop having them
more damage = more threat
this is why people that say damage doesnt matter are smoking crack, its important
lyric glen
Yes Gholak! Gief 🙂 I have only a 483 Gholak now,;(
lyric glen
I could be low on crit? 18 %
lusty grotto
there's the odd mob or whatever, but not completely
graceful cobalt
hi why is this season Strike twice stronger than Neltharus weapon?
lusty grotto
it could be
because neltharus weapon has no stats and it was strictly for ST on s2
both are inferior to gholak
by far
but between those 2, strike twice is better
sim will give you a more calculated answer
graceful cobalt
yes the weapon has stats Haste/Krit and damage proc
lusty grotto
right, thats what i just said
lyric glen
Threat is unchanged. If you are experiencing threat issues it is usually because...
Yes people do, go ham, yesterday I felt like a devils advocate saying DONT touch them give me 3 sunders 😛 hehe but people didnt really anyway
lusty grotto
yes the weapon has stats Haste/Krit and damage proc
no strength
graceful cobalt
ok got it the strength i didn´t notice
orchid gulch
Yes people do, go ham, yesterday I felt like a devils advocate saying DONT tou...
Usually a good argument os that if they pull aggro and die their DPS is kinda 0 from that point on
graceful cobalt
yeah next week Gholak on 502+
lyric glen
Usually a good argument os that if they pull aggro and die their DPS is kinda 0 ...
yes totally agree, I told them if you die, its your own fault, I had people dying, ofc it was all of them that ahd a legendary.. I cant compete when they use it.. aggro versus that one is horrible low
orchid gulch
But as Nimchip said, improve your damage, get a new weapon or a new gholak and the issues should be minimized
lusty grotto
you should be able to compete against leggos
we did so last season without issues
leggos isnt the issue
graceful cobalt
actually i had a 502 Metzler weapon
lyric glen
But as Nimchip said, improve your damage, get a new weapon or a new gholak and t...
Yes Gholak will be my first thing togo to:)
lusty grotto
nobody can upgrade their leggo until next week
so
youre def doing something wrong Fyria
do you have logs?
all the leggos out right now have base s3 ilvl, and you also have a heroic gholak, which matches up
that will change on tuesday
you cant really blame leggos at all
do damage
and you wont have issues
lyric glen
and you wont have issues
I guess I have to get more crit, but funny is that those tanks I talk to have the same issue now tho, but I do think it will eb better with more gear, and a new wep for sure. and some more crit aswell 🙂
orchid gulch
Eh, I can see people with aerodynamic brains managing to pull aggro with it, but that's the same people who race the tank to take the first hit of the boss as well
lusty grotto
i mean, youre talking with the wrong tanks
hardy snow
im spending aspects on craft and shield upgrade this week, next week pump into gholak 
lusty grotto
and youre still looking for things outside of your own play, like leggos and stats
are you sure youre dpsing correctly? that's what we're asking
do you have logs?
also if youre wearing a cheat on vault keys...
thats 1 trinket slot not doing damage
also totally unneeded
lyric glen
do you have logs?
I was looking for the logs from ysterday and "funny" thing I dont have from ysterday, only from the normal one but that doesnt matter it was on Hc i had more issues and most on Diurna
lusty grotto
well, it could be part of it
lyric glen
yes absolutly it could
orchid gulch
Mystery partially solved, I guess. If you still have issues next time, grab some logs as well, yes? 
lyric glen
Thank you for brainstorming with me hahaha
lyric glen
Mystery partially solved, I guess. If you still have issues next time, grab some...
I will I will:)
lusty grotto
lyric glen
I will go hide in a corner for a bit 😛 See you when the sun is shining 😛
tall sky
is this bis
waxen frigate
No lmao
Highest iLvl shield available = bis
From there you probably want a shield that has some combo of crit, haste, or maybe vers
lusty grotto
its not bis, but if its ilvl is higher than your current shield you should use it
waxen frigate
^
ILvl > all on shield
Everything else is irrelevant until you have a 528 shield or whatever the cap is this season (489 last season)
lusty grotto
tall sky
damn
waxen frigate
@lusty grotto how are you how’s your week been any weekend plans are you excited
lusty grotto
its been good, i have 2 bdays and my nephew is getting some shit done on sunday, how about you
waxen frigate
It’s been okay my moms birthday is tomorrow but idk if we’re doing anything I gotta make sure I pick up a card after work
waxen frigate
Doing some keys with friends tonight though
lusty grotto
😄
waxen frigate
Lmao nice
My grandmother died recently so vibes have been down overall for my mom, guess I’ll just kinda be around and find out if she wants to do stuff
lusty grotto
waxen frigate
It doesn’t help that my aunts are both scum and each trying to fuck their siblings out of inheritance
lusty grotto
ohhh
mellow bridge
benefits of growing up in a poor family: I'll never have any inheritence drama
lusty grotto
well a nice dinner is good
waxen frigate
I’m sure she’ll want to do dinner or watch something on tv or Netflix or whatever
lusty grotto
im taking my mom to dinner, she did a concert this week as a bday present from my dad
plush tendon
lusty grotto
we're going to a mexican place which is pretty great
well, mexican food is always great
waxen frigate
There is a Mexican place near me that my parents like
lusty grotto
but the place we're going to is S tier
waxen frigate
I live in south Texas so there are a lot of good Mexican restaurants here lol
I’m an enchilada enjoyer
lusty grotto
hell yea
hardy snow
which dung is easiest this week for vault/crest farm?
tall sky
what should I upgrade with my awakened crests
silent vessel
Protection also had a couple changes
Improved Heroic Throw is replaced by Fight Through the Flames, causing Defensive Stance to reduce magic damage taken by 5%
Defensive Stance no longer reduces damage done
wait this is cool
median tulip
what should I upgrade with my awakened crests
Whelpling and Drake you can just spend on whatever; they are irrelevant in the long run, just use them to upgrade useful bits (I used most of my Drakes on getting Trinkets to 502). Wyrm and Aspect you should plan more carefully and think about whether you want to craft something next week, IMO
median tulip
it's ok, but it's not on Retail Live, so it could be confusing to newbies if they find us discussing it here. Which is why #1230008411333066913 exists.
silent vessel
🙄
tall sky
what trinkets hsould we be gettin
lusty grotto
which dung is easiest this week for vault/crest farm?
bh and aa are pretty fucking easy
av as well
though 1 shot mechanics and hps/defensives check between the last 2 bosses but
median tulip
I found Neltharus pretty easy; only one of the bosses can even hurt us
lusty grotto
yeah
nelth's problem is just chargath which is simple
and chargath + forge guy are hps checks also
mammoth and last boss are so fucking easy though
median tulip
The forge boss is hilarious for charging under his leap though
median tulip
The only dungeon I actually dislike is Ulda
vital sinew
Don't worry, blizzard fixed it by 1 minute
median tulip
what trinkets hsould we be gettin
If you have the ring from Eranog (which you eventually should get from Bullion) then 2 Fire Damage trinkets of some kind is ideal
plush tendon
last boss is a pain in the butt though
plush tendon
Im never a fan of bosses that are 'kite this guy around the room'
lusty grotto
walking time related
plush tendon
we've seen it way too many times
my favorite two are AV and AA
I think AV is a sick dungeon
plush tendon
theres a lot of pull options in that dungeon
which is what I like
and lots of opportunity to double and triple pull
plush tendon
naw, frogs are goated
humble schooner
The only dungeon I actually dislike is Ulda
Uld is legit one of the worst they have made in quite some time
lusty grotto
frogs will hurt next week though
cause of the aoe dudes
no hoi is
hoi is still fucking garbage
even after the frog gy thing
humble schooner
yeah HOI sucks too
plush tendon
cause of the aoe dudes
prio damage central
median tulip
Uld is legit one of the worst they have made in quite some time
It's just atrocious when there's ANY affix that doesn't play well with enclosed spaces; Storming, Entangling, Spiteful, Sanguine, Volcanic
zinc iris
The only reason HOI is playable as Prot is all the boss spell reflects
lusty grotto
pretty much
zinc iris
I swear people still get blown away when I SR the frog boss gulp
warm plinth
anyone who skips frogs is a silly head
Amen my friend
zinc iris
They’re always like “You can do that?!”
But I will never get sick of SR Focused Deluge or whatever the final boss tank buster spell is called
median tulip
But I will never get sick of SR Focused Deluge or whatever the final boss tank b...
That is hella fun
lusty grotto
and tempest
urban bane
tempest so much more of a vibe though
zinc iris
Tempest is a much more involved and fun boss for sure
lusty grotto
tempest is actually more chill cause he doesnt spell queue you into wasting an SR
zinc iris
True
lusty grotto
he does 2 casts which are longer cds than TotT
zinc iris
I had a Nok the other day where like 22% of my damage in the key was SR
warm plinth
I'm annoyed that they unfixed the squall buffet melees
lusty grotto
lolll
zinc iris
See I rank dungeons every season based on how good the spell reflects are rather than the dungeon itself
lusty grotto
fair
median tulip
This is a fair sizeable chunk of Vers:
lusty grotto
also big pulls
zinc iris
Only reason I play Prot is because 
is the most satisfying button in the game
Also Roar tierset is big and fun
Like yeah Veng and PPal are stronger, but SR go brr and literally all the rage in big pulls
Therefore
Pwar is best tank
toxic pewter
why they not remove dragon games equipment trinket from that game
lusty grotto
cause it fucking slaps in ST
toxic pewter
yeah but it suk ass
toxic pewter
does it still bug out like half the time
zinc iris
But football ⚽️
toxic pewter
cuz it used to bug out and sometimes couldnt kick them
warm plinth
I never had issue with it. They spawn hella close
toxic pewter
just an awful trinket
lusty grotto
i find it fun
echo egret
3rd group today that breaks on Chargath +4 / +5. I think it's best that I avoid this dungeon until it's fixed.
warm plinth
Never had the bug either
toxic pewter
I would never recommend it
lusty grotto
its just not that good for aoe
warm plinth
It's fun without being obnoxious
toxic pewter
wild takes
warm plinth
But yeah pretty ass in aoe
lusty grotto
honestly
toxic pewter
unironically one of the worst trinkets ever added to the game
lusty grotto
i like DGE more than shit like storm eaters
warm plinth
Now that's a wild take
lusty grotto
idk man
toxic pewter
its just awful
warm plinth
Most tanks move more than you need to in a normal pull to use the trinket
toxic pewter
guess im gonna be kicking balls for the foreseeable future
zinc iris
Best pwar trink is suncaller
lusty grotto
just not a good aoe trinket, thats it
toxic pewter
yeah it does seem to do good dam at least
warm plinth
You literally use trinket, press a, d, w and it's done
toxic pewter
thats true
lusty grotto
yeah ghash is right
toxic pewter
lol
warm plinth
Or q e w depending on strafe binds
undone beacon
I wish we had a sigil of chains type ability, just pugged a key on another character and watching the dh do it made me jealous haha
humble schooner
remove double sigil, make DH dumpster again
undone beacon
Is it too far out of warrior flavor to stomp the ground so hard that it pulls everything towards us?
oblique abyss
Barb in D3 had it.. not sure why we couldn’t have it in WoW
undone beacon
There are a lot of things from the D3 barb I wish we had in wow lol
Some of the most fun I had in that game was a leap barb build that just jumped around dungeons and left fuckin eathquakes and volcanos and shit everywhere
torn gulch
i wonder what ilvl would be enough to break 4 set?
warm plinth
Is it too far out of warrior flavor to stomp the ground so hard that it pulls ev...
We actually had something like that in DF alpha but it got removed
undone beacon
Wait really? Damn thats rude
warm plinth
Yeppers
humble schooner
was "too powerful" or some bs
torn gulch
hm i only have 20 ilvl on 2 items i'll sim
undone beacon
we shoulda gotten a hero talent tree for prot all about stomping and shouting, just stomping and shouting and screaming and crying and
rose pier
Hello. Is the Neltharius weapon better than Fyrakkas 1h ?
torn gulch
no
gholak is hard bis
we buy it next week
with bullions
and straight upgrade to 528
waxen frigate
unironically one of the worst trinkets ever added to the game
Cooked take
It’s insanely mid to arguably bad
There are probably 10 worse trinkets this xpac alone
toxic pewter
def the worst trinket of df thats for sure
waxen frigate
???
toxic pewter
perhaps all time
toxic pewter
no
waxen frigate
Yea
warm plinth
Alright here we go
blazing condor
toxic pewter
I curse u all with kick ball trinket in all ur vaults
warm plinth
Like if you wanna be mad at a trinket because you have to move a bit, how about you go grab a homeland raid horn
Not only do you have to move more to use it, but if you fuck up, you do part of the trinket's damage to yourself 🙂
toxic pewter
yah that one is also one of the worst
warm plinth
Or honestly even last season, go try the branch trinket from EB and let me know how tilted you get when you walk straight through an orb and it doesn't pick it up
And that's actually a really strong trinket for some specs
tired magnet
Hello, is the ring from broodkeeper good for us(got it from weekly quest)? A newly leveled prot war - I guess I need to get something else that causes fire damage
oblique garnet
Hello, is the ring from broodkeeper good for us(got it from weekly quest)? A new...
It is good yes
waxen frigate
It’s good ye
oblique garnet
You can proc with shadowflame iirc
oblique garnet
Fine
tired magnet
Oh ok gotcha - thanks!
tired magnet
Coming from BDK - still getting used to it - wanna try another non-meta class
waxen frigate
BDK and pwarr are similar in a lot of gear they like
Pwarr is a little more crit/haste oriented though
Especially haste you need a lot of
waxen frigate
The wowhead and icyveins guides are both good to read
tired magnet
Koolio - been reading wowhead yesterday
oblique garnet
Come back fuck nimchip crush his skull
lusty grotto
tired magnet
I shouldn’t expect my bdk lvls of dmg in keys now tho right?
I didn’t get fyralath so wasn’t peak dmg anyway
waxen frigate
Nah BDK kinda cranks Dps
Prot can do good damage
Just make sure you aren’t most pug prot warriors
Aka you spam revenge
That button does fuck all lmao
tired magnet
Nah BDK kinda cranks Dps
Yea sometimes I’m competitive with not so high dpsers haha
vocal cave
when to break s3 set?
tired magnet
That button does fuck all lmao
XD good to know thx
waxen frigate
Yea sometimes I’m competitive with not so high dpsers haha
Also I believe BDK was/is bugged since season start
Something with blood plague doing insane damage
But I don’t know specifics
waxen frigate
XD good to know thx
It was a good damage button for a long time pre-DF and lots of boomer prot mains just keep using it
But the guides will explain the priority much better than I can
tired magnet
Oh haven’t checked - will see when I do more on my dk. Definitely felt very good dmg wise but survivability felt a bit iffy - HOI mobs were trucking hard
lusty tiger
Yogi male
waxen frigate
Oh haven’t checked - will see when I do more on my dk. Definitely felt very good...
There’s a lot of stuff to dodge on those and their movement makes it easy take Backshots
lusty tiger
Nish loves taking backshots
lusty tiger
tired magnet
I got best use of purgs in a while xD
waxen frigate
Oh also jeree I figured out my investment strategy
I am now a supporter of the United States military industrial complex
LETS GO TO WAR BABY
tall sky
was doing normal awakened raid and the blood dk was doing twice my dmg
lusty grotto
arent you new
tall sky
his item lvl was 7 above mine
lusty grotto
uh huh
tall sky
yes
tall sky
legendary?
tall sky
huh guess that could explain it
lusty grotto
of course hes gonna have double your damage, thats what gear does
and you probably werent playing the right spec
err talents
humble schooner
been running paladin / war for months, no lego on either 😦
tall sky
thought my item level since it was so close would mean samge dmg
lusty grotto
no
warm plinth
Isn't it literally impossible to not have lego by now if you've been doing it the whole time?
lusty grotto
weapon damage > all
tall sky
im using wowhead raid talents
lusty grotto
yup ghash
unless he was running normal/lfr
it was guaranteed for heroic at week 16?
tall sky
normal
lusty grotto
not talking about you
humble schooner
Isn't it literally impossible to not have lego by now if you've been doing it th...
didnt raid for the first bit, lost out on quite a few of the tokens
lusty grotto
talking about leggo chances
hoary bough
just had the most wholesome timed +4 AV, absolutely garbage dps, people pulling like 100k, highest was 150k, but they listened to everything i told them and tried so hard on all the bosses, even though they were 10 mins long
timed with 30s to spare
humble schooner
I think I've got like 8 tokens on each char or something... then I saw a buddy in a BDK alt, with like 2 or 3 get it lol
lusty grotto
nice, those are always good Ave
tired magnet
Jealous - now hard to find fyrakk pugs xD
hoary bough
yeah, went from being a group i was gonna rq to being one of the most wholesome timed keys so far 😄
humble schooner
nice
tired magnet
Im on 9th week - need to see more than ember
lusty grotto
but i only did heroic anyway
hoary bough
i love AV as prot war, spell reflect and spell block heaven
tall sky
AV?
lusty grotto
azure vault
hoary bough
azure vaults
tall sky
ah
warm plinth
we love wholesome groups
hoary bough
reminds me of the glory days of s1, huge dmg, spell reflect everything, never die
sudden patrol
As prot, how do you get the aggro from the adds in RLP's first boss?
waxen frigate
Reflect got shit on in AV tho
hoary bough
I can still reflect the shit out of first and last boss at least
looking at the meters though, does it not actually reflect the dmg anymore? 😦
hoary bough
huh, guess I must have just gaslit myself
lusty grotto
its been that way since the dungeon came out
warm plinth
all AV reflects are deflects
Hey that's not true. 2nd boss add takes damage 😏
lusty grotto
oh, thats true
warm plinth
Good reflect considering no one ever wants to kick the damned things
🙄
But I don't think it always targets you iirc
humble schooner
As prot, how do you get the aggro from the adds in RLP's first boss?
I usually throw ravager in the path or move to thunderclap / revenge
pallid quiver
Isn't it literally impossible to not have lego by now if you've been doing it th...
As long as doing it the whole time meant always Heroic; I'm not sure how long it'd be for Normal to guarantee drop it
sick sentinel
Ok weird question but if i have 2 warriors Andy and Betty, Andy has the hidden artifact unlocked, Betty doesnt. I have to do 200 world quest on Andy in order to unlock the recolor right?
cant be done on Betty unless Betty also has used the hidden artifact item
strong forum
correct
sick sentinel
nothing shows up whenever i type in things like /run print(IsQuestFlaggedCompleted())
with quest id ofc
strong forum
radiant mortar
Do we want to play two on use trinkets and if not which one should I combine?
I would say Signet Brand and Festering Spliter/Rageheart?
waxen frigate
Do you want to play double on-use
That’s the only question
Lots of people prefer passives, others prefer on use
They have pros and cons
radiant mortar
Is that something we can do? I know that you dont want to do that as rdruid for example
waxen frigate
Yes
radiant mortar
mhm I alrdy feel bind starfed so I think I will go with only one on use, thanks
waxen frigate
on-use trinkets are often more potent but require plannign and proper usage to maximize their effectiveness
But if you don’t use them properly, might as well use a passive and get the full effect without thinking about it
radiant mortar
vocal flame
