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#protection
jagged pier
its different in pvp where its like one every 10 seconds
but typhoon and ursol is part of that list and u can regularly vortex and typhoon mobs ot get dragged into it
in pve
deft hinge
kk, i noticed it happened eventhough i was the first to knockback. on hunters in gauntlet in ToTT for example
rigid edge
What do you guys feel about the changes to M+ on S4? Does it really change much
strong forum
Iirc if you use it on a mob who is CC immune it only does a fear on the other mobs?
I've never used it but I heard about some wonk with it
strong forum
What do you guys feel about the changes to M+ on S4? Does it really change much
It'll be a harder season than the current one to tank
S4 dungeons are harder on tanks than the S3 dungeons
rigid edge
Yeah that's for sure
rigid edge
Also I'm curious how the whole M0 being a +10 and such will work
strong forum
It's super simple
Its literally just -10 on the tooltip
A 15 is like a 25 currently
A 10 is like a 20 currently
jagged pier
its to make it not scary for the mority because 10 is smaller than 20
strong forum
Nothing else
The changed the difficulty curve from normal to mythic dungeons
So it's not as abrupt
You just start keys at a difficulty level of (with current numbers) on +12 for a +2
grim pilot
its to make it not scary for the mority because 10 is smaller than 20
I mean it's also ass that you have to up your key to 20
and 2-10 is literally the same
there is virtually no difference there
pallid quiver
They're also not timed for that, as well, giving a bit more breathing room for casual players
rigid edge
I see, yeah I was just confused cause as you said, it felt like just a number change, so I wasn't getting the point but then again I guess I'm not the type of player they making this change for
median tulip
It's a good change, because key levels 2-10 in S3 have been utterly pointless
warm plinth
I see, yeah I was just confused cause as you said, it felt like just a number ch...
If you do above 20s already then it's not going to affect you. But it's a good change because it both better prepares people for keys and makes each key level a real stepping stone rather than just an arbitrary increase. They also made the score stay the same relative to difficulty so it won't be any more difficult to see where people are.
dusky canopy
M0s also reward normal raid ilvl
This is good!
Blizz needs to focus on getting more people into dungeons and also raiding
grizzled nova
Thane has no additional buttons, yes, but seems like it requires much more brain bandwidth to make the most of proc sequences. Colossus is just our primary button deterministically feeding back into a new big dam button on a relatively short cooldown, and will probably result in a more satisfying gameplay loop.
urban portal
thane is not going to be in that state
brittle moon
Ok ok, and what are the 5% more size doing?
Is the character just 5% bigger or do we get 5% more dmg, a slowing effect or sth like that?
brittle moon
the 5% bigger talent comes with 5% damage also
thats what i want to hear ^^
warm plinth
Reading? Pfft
hardy snow
and 5% size is just flavor
no no no, that's the main part of talent, 5%dam is just flavor 😄
brittle moon
im a warrior without int buff....cant read
cerulean tusk
5% size is BiS 
bigger Nelfs, better nelfs
deft hinge
Nooooo! my fiber-box just went haywire. No internet, no tv. Suddenly watching discord chat became fun. whats happening to me?? 🫨
cerulean tusk
Welcome to me at work
dark barn
KT racial actually worth it? One more stun to a class with little CC... And a good defensive racial too.
hardy snow
KT racial actually worth it? One more stun to a class with little CC... And a go...
but you will be fat boy, thats not compensated by racials
dark barn
The belly is a real problem
waxen quarry
KT racial actually worth it? One more stun to a class with little CC... And a go...
go tauren if u want a stun
tauren actually does damage
and lives
cerulean tusk
Or just go Nelf, you get bonus haste and the ultimate avoidance stat. True dodge. Cant be beat.
warm plinth
KT has the best heritage armor in the game
And racial damage is virtually insignificant
vital sinew
My LFD light's reckoning comes in clutch
waxen quarry
tauren is still just better than kt and he asked about the stun
judging from his message its clear he doesnt care about the race itself
but more about the bonuses
burnt tinsel
4 weapon dmg or fiery enchant on prot warrior main hand?
plush tendon
this is a retail prot war channel
theres a classic channel below, but you gotta go to the classic warrior disc
hardy snow
And racial damage is virtually insignificant
imagine how fat KT will be with colossus size increase 
warm plinth
oak ivy
Intimidating shout hits incorps ya?
warm plinth
Only if it's the main target
oak ivy
pallid quiver
I think he took my jab at Ghash as being directed at him
And I'm only doing the Psych 101 strat of bullying others because I'm being bullied, being teabagged by level 80s while levelling in WoW Classic smh
We also ignore the fact that happened after I said that
pallid quiver
I just logged off when I realized the man was really going to spend hours of his time just doing his best to kill level 30s and starting playing Harvest Moon instead
so
That's pretty much what I did
I could also have solved it by not having been playing on a PvP server, but I played on one back in the day, so
ionic fern
I just logged off when I realized the man was really going to spend hours of his...
That's truly Vanilla.
Good memories.
Of dying, running back 5 minutes.
And dying instantly again.
pallid quiver
I have the starts of stay dead before release to test the waters
I've been in the streets, I know how it is
ionic fern
"Look behind every rock as a ghost".
pallid quiver
They can't handle it in big boy town, them level 70 mobs too scary smh
Nah, your vision's limited as ghost, can't see them if they're far enough
pallid quiver
But if you take a second before releasing? You get their pulse
ionic fern
To check behind stuff.
pallid quiver
See if they're degen or not
that way i can learn pretty fast if it's a "play a different game" kinda feel
pine gust
" Spending Rage has a chance to cause your next Shield Slam to consume your bleeds on a target, instantly dealing 40% of remaining damage and reducing your damage taken by 10% for 5 sec."
Does anyone know the proc chance per rage point?
jagged pier
doesnt really work like that
IP is about a90% proc chance
everything else is like 30%
pine gust
That's really weird
jagged pier
🤷
pine gust
Well, thank you for the information
ionic fern
That's really weird
Jeah, there's no official reasoning (or note for that matter) about this from Blizzard.
pine gust
Odd
jagged pier
Yes.
ionic fern
At least we currently have the rage gen to support it.
Imagine having poorer Rage Gen with this tier set.
hardy snow
and then in TWW S1 we will be back to some pathethic 20-25% haste
ionic fern
Gets higher real fast tho.
median tulip
and then in TWW S1 we will be back to some pathethic 20-25% haste <:sadge:820202...
It's going to be a pain. Season 1 generally is, unless you luck into being op enough to set the meta.
forest fern
It’s almost as if haste is a bad stat for scaling properly…
polar nexus
hi all, is there a site that has up to date routes that I can import into my mdt? 🙂
ionic fern
hi all, is there a site that has up to date routes that I can import into my mdt...
Raider.io has some variations.
Hello.
polar nexus
thank you
waxen frigate
Raider.io has some variations.
Also keystoneguru @polar nexus
polar nexus
many thanks 🙂
warm plinth
hi all, is there a site that has up to date routes that I can import into my mdt...
There should be sample routes on the right side for each dungeon
blazing condor
what the elemental doin tho
dusky canopy
Not damage
brittle moon
Can someone send me a pic of his details auras after a m+? Want to check sth
blazing condor
whose
brittle moon
Idc should mostly be the same at all
ionic fern
Can someone send me a pic of his details auras after a m+? Want to check sth
Is this a "Let me see your IP up-time"?
dusky canopy
Probably wants to compare shieldblock aura and ip aura ye
brittle moon
No shieldblock uptime
dusky canopy
Neither matters
ionic fern
You can't get any relevant information from details regarding those 2.
brittle moon
I just get 87% and im feeling bad
ionic fern
I just get 87% and im feeling bad
It doesn't matter.
blazing condor
you gotta check warcraftlogs for any valuable info on shield block
ionic fern
You're looking for effective block up-time, which is obtainable from logs.
blazing condor
uptime =/= actually blocking hits
ionic fern
Not overall.
blazing condor
uptime just shows you had the aura up, but if you for example have you back turned to the mobs you wont block any hits
dusky canopy
You want to shoot for 100% blocked hits and then in reality you get like 95% blocked hits
dusky canopy
And only a log of your key will show this Info
ionic fern
Was some random 20 i did.
brittle moon
Whats ip? ._.
blazing condor
ignore pain
ionic fern
Always.
dusky canopy
Love it
brittle moon
Because i had a „warri main“ in my group and he told me 87% shieldblock isnt enough. I should try to aim for 95-100%
ionic fern
Because i had a „warri main“ in my group and he told me 87% shieldblock isnt eno...
That "warr main" was a moron.
brittle moon
And i was kinda confused because i never get this
blazing condor
i mean yeah you should always aim for 100% but doesnt mean its feasible
the more blocked hits the better
dusky canopy
Uptime of shield block doesn’t matter
brittle moon
Well i use shieldblock inside a pack or at bossfights on cd so i cant get more out of it
dusky canopy
How many hits you block is what matters
Do you have a log to share?
A bunch of us here like to look at them
Can provide actual advice
brittle moon
No sorry, im not logging and i dont have warcraft logs as addon
Im never tried the addon
I tried to play around my details auras, but if you say logs only right way to go i have to get it i guess
dusky canopy
It’s not to complicated, jakey has a video on YouTube on how to read a pwar log, I don’t remember if it walks you through setting up logging
But I’m sure a simple YouTube search will have one
ionic fern
There's also a possibility that someone else logged.
jagged pier
the videos a bit outdated tbh
jagged pier
kinda same stuff but because of talent revamp and no covs etc
dusky canopy
Right right
jagged pier
it doesnt really tie into anything anymore
dusky canopy
Fair enough yeah
blazing condor
time to make a new one 
blazing condor
brittle moon
Do you know if bdk is the only tank spec which is simming his stats?
Warri is haste/vers
dusky canopy
No tank sims stats for defense, you only sim stats for offense
jagged pier
because your highest dps stats are enough to survive 99% of content
and in reality haste/crit is better for warrior
jagged pier
not haste/vers but the difference id very smol
brittle moon
Oh okay im always checking raiderio gear wowhead gear etc for my equip
jagged pier
but thats not your character do the content you do
brittle moon
And farming it out of the dungeons
brittle moon
Okay than i will sim
jagged pier
just copying what the top do is wrong
brittle moon
Im will only play 20s till max 24
btw, i asked last time what we think about mountain thane and colossus. most people said colossus is looking the way we get. ik tww is far ahead, but do you speak that colossus will be better overall or in raids? because im nearly only m+ player and thane sounds pretty good in aoe
dusky canopy
Realistically most people in the game can just equip ilvl and be successful in the highest rewarded content
Going past the highest rewarded content is when min maxing to the fullest pretty much becomes a requirement
dusky canopy
btw, i asked last time what we think about mountain thane and colossus. most peo...
Theirs no way to accurately answer that at the moment, only people who play with the sim apl will have an idea
brittle moon
Theirs no way to accurately answer that at the moment, only people who play with...
okok ty
dusky canopy
Considering mountain thaine has multi target storm bolt and is thunderclap focused
That will probably be the key choice yes
But I’m only guessing
brittle moon
just copying what the top do is wrong
idk who brainwashed me with "simming is only for dd's" since than i was confused because all of the dks told me that bdk just sim dmg
jagged pier
Considering mountain thaine has multi target storm bolt and is thunderclap focus...
pretty sure it still only stuns 1 tho
or did in the vid
brittle moon
But I’m only guessing
yeah of course, we still have no numbers atm
dusky canopy
pretty sure it still only stuns 1 tho
Seriously? What is the purpose then lol
Visual!?
brittle moon
jagged pier
99% of wow players care about the visual more than the effect
dusky canopy
LOL
strong forum
nah itll stun 3 mobs
but
then it loses what stormbolt is
a super powerful ranged 4sec ST stun
and you get a random 3 target stun
jagged pier
No
lusty grotto
F
jagged pier
He really wasnt good content for the server
left basalt
what happened to him?
jagged pier
He left 🤷
Ppl stopped replying to him i suppose or somthing so it wasnt fun for him anymore
jagged pier
Well hes been doing that since SLs im pretty sure ppl just didnt believe and tried
left basalt
F
lusty grotto
24% fyrakk
Hell yeahh
torn gulch
they're actually beelining it to mop
with the cadence of cata classic
kekw
i wonder if we're seeing legion classic
little ermine
To relive the days of insane bursts with the antorus set, happy memories
blazing condor
wait mop classic confirmed?
pallid quiver
Wait, what's the cata cadence? At work
Because I'm really aying Classic to play MOP classic
blazing condor
2025 aware
pallid quiver
For some god awful reason, I thought March was May so I thought it was a shitpost
Well, guess I yave a date by when to hit cap, though, since I wanna do it through Wrath talents
Revenge one shotting mobs never gets old
waxen quarry
not haste/vers but the difference id very smol
its interesting how tanks dont even run vers anymore
most dont
jagged pier
we havent really gone vers since BFA S4 taken that long for the meme to die
blazing condor
where haste
slim pier
cerulean tusk
waxen quarry
we havent really gone vers since BFA S4 taken that long for the meme to die
sl was a dark time
until s3 and banner
blazing condor
idk i was pogging in 9.1.5 it was p fun
plush tendon
SL was a vibe: though reprisal was kind of lame after a year
torn gulch
i think if SL had swapable convenants like we had later in the xpac, no conduit energy and a thorgast with no power linked to it it would've been a significantly better received xpac
torn gulch
i'm actually looking forward to tww and hope that they actually listen to feedback on hero talents as they are not very hot for quite a lot of classes from what we've seen
cursive prawn
i think if SL had swapable convenants like we had later in the xpac, no conduit ...
True, but then you’d still be left with the butchered lore
Undoing that shitstorm is gonna take a while
torn gulch
True, but then you’d still be left with the butchered lore
you'll be surprised how many peeps don't give a shit about it
i do to a degree but a lot do not
torn gulch
Undoing that shitstorm is gonna take a while
we'll see how they build the narative on the worldsoul saga with the prelude starting in 10.2.7
cursive prawn
I’m optimistic
The clown responsible for shadowlands is no longer there
Metzen at the wheel
lusty grotto
hes not a scapegoat
he had a team
and part of that team is still in there
so dont get your hopes up
torn gulch
i want to visit other zereth's if they are any for the other forces of the wow universe
lusty grotto
the only thing he was directly responsible was the whole sylvannas arc and even then he didnt start the whole thing
so i wish people wouldn't pile SL's story problems on him cause it was certainly a group effort
afriasabi included
torn gulch
we'll have to see how it goes
i hope it gets a little bit darker that dragonflight tbh
lusty grotto
eh
it took xiv, several expansions for a massive payoff in the end, they have shorter than that
it will be a monumental task
if i were blizzard i would hire xiv's writer cause she fucking rocked everyone's world
torn gulch
i would've loved for nzoth to actually defeat us or something along these lines
we're winning against everything
lusty grotto
youre expecting too much
a solid base is all they need in this trilogy
that doesnt go too far, that takes some, but not huge risks
and then they can expand fully into those
even moreso now that everyone cries about wokeness in stories for the stupidest detail
like even having a female lead is apparently woke now, its so silly
pallid quiver
My biggest issue with SL was the general aesthetics, tbh
Other than gear pieces and Nathria, most of it all just kinda
mafsuafssaf together
I only vividly remember the entrance to Painsmith in Sanctum, because hearing the pounding as you closed it was really cool
lusty grotto
zone design was pretty good
dungeon design wasnt bad either
CN was amazing like you mentioned
the rest of the raids... were okay i guess?
vital sinew
SL apologists are history's greatest monster. Encrypted was cool, nathria was great, but holy shit
pallid quiver
I don't remember shit about the zones; their layout was on the side of too game focused for me, and their aesthetics just kinda mehd
vital sinew
Everything else was the worst
vital sinew
People down on Dragonflight have such short memories
pallid quiver
SL for me personally is an easy bot 1 expac; I can understand other people liking it more than me, but my personal issues were kinda big
lusty grotto
but even in turds you can find a few good things
pallid quiver
at least it wasn't like going into legion with its leggo rng system
That shit felt like I was being gaslit by the world
lusty grotto
i honestly liked bastion and the fae lands or w/e and ravendreth
aesthetically
and i liked banner play when i resubbed in the fated season
i could mention a few more things im sure
but
it was a fucking shit expansion
waxen frigate
I don't remember _shit_ about the zones; their layout was on the side of too gam...
i remember pre-flying revendreth
pallid quiver
I thought pre-flying Revendreth was super cool to level through
Only zone I remember
World quests after? god awful
10/10 would take that experience again tho
probably because i'm already a lazy bastard with world quests
waxen quarry
True, but then you’d still be left with the butchered lore
denathrius was cool lore wise
but sylvanas got butchered
and jailer is just nonsense
bro is a lot stronger than titans
and we just kill him
problem?
pallid quiver
i ain't no bitch
waxen quarry
bro im reading this wow forum about jailer
pallid quiver
catch these hands, ancient robo grim reaper
waxen quarry
xd
one of the easiest bosses
bro killed him week 9 on lfr
and called him easy
pre massive nerf
he was giga
waxen quarry
i love the jailer power creep (instant power creep) when he just comes says i manipulate everything
leaves
and we fight him the next raid
immaculate lore
pallid quiver
Nah, could be instantaneous
just pretend it never happened
Don't even retcon it
just ignore
lilac bloom
pallid quiver
Is this for a review?
pallid quiver
Give me a bit, I can go over it in a sec here
Quick glance is you need to use your defensives better, since you literally never pressed shield wall
oh i may have selected the wrong prot war now that I'm looking at it
pallid quiver
dont know why its sohard
So you're going to want to revisit your rotation; on almost every pull, you've got more casts of thunder clap than you do of shield slam.
That's, uh
that's quite unfortunate
On some pulls, you almost even have as many casts of revenge as shield slam
This is going to be killing your rage generation, dropping your survival by a non-zero amount
You will, in fact, want to double check your shield wall usage, as one to zero uses when it can average about a 1-1.5 min CD with proper play over 4-5 minutes is
Less than good, especially if you're bleeding out to predictable bursts of damage
You also need to be sending Demo Shout on CD; a lot of these pulls, you literally used it once. Even if you're saving it for defensive use, you'd get more out of it at this point if you were to just always send on CD for the rage to funnel your rage economy
Like, really, a whole bunch of advice I can give is to just get used to your rotation better to start with; you need to remember to always prio Shield Slam > Thunder Clap > Revenge, in that order
Right now you're more often like Thunder Clap > Shield Slam > Revenge, which is costing you a lot of, well, everything; damage, rage, and ultimately, survival
pastel gale
I Wanna tryy some warr prot its there any big and complete guide to watch that cover as much as pusible how your damage should look like rotation talents rotations dos and donts
ionic fern
WoWHead and icyveins both have a written guide.
I'm not sure about any video guides tho, as i've not kept an eye on them.
lilac bloom
@luerce
Thanks for the tip I'll try that I just trying together alot of those lashers but burning out on taunts kinda stress me out on reserving my rage
lusty grotto
only the best kind of bad
lusty grotto
hell yeaaa
plush tendon
actually fire start to the day
lusty grotto
waxen frigate
its all good; we woke up early and got a sausage mcgridle with a hashbrown for $...
Good combo
lusty grotto
youre a good combo
plush tendon
we only dollar menu over here
lusty grotto
fast food apps ftw
plush tendon
ya boi aint paying a Hamilton for a cheap as burger meal from McDs
plush tendon
when McChickens are 2 for 3
warm plinth
Yeah we have the "value menu" now
plush tendon
Dollar menu is gone here
same... its called some weird shit.... but itll be the dollar menu in my heart
damn inflation
waxen frigate
If I get mcds breakfast I do the $2.50 sausage McMuffin+hash brown combo
plush tendon
waxen frigate
Meanwhile a single hash brown by itself now is like $3 or something
lusty grotto
honestly with the apps it really doesnt seem bad
the only downside is
lots of fast food around, lots of apps
plush tendon
you have to dowload a app and the food is still terrible for you
lusty grotto
yeah
warm plinth
I like ordering on apps anyway because I can do customizations more easily
plush tendon
still, 8 in the morning, been on a subway for 45 min.... ya boi just needed a pick me up
waxen frigate
Oh they’re back down to $1.59 now
I assume people just stopped buying them entirely
When they went over $2 for a single fucking hash brown
plush tendon
People cant resist McDs fries and hash browns
fries cost me then a burger now.... but ya know people still buying them
plush tendon
lusty grotto
warm plinth
They round like my ex girlfriend
waxen frigate
Why is a plain English muffin more expensive than adding sausage and cheese LMAO
warm plinth
"It's only $9!" "$9.99 IS NOT $9"
waxen frigate
I don’t use the app tbh I just order off the menu there
The combo I usually get isn’t even on the app, or I can’t find it at least
You know what other fast food place is out of hand with pricing now
Fucking Taco Bell
I just have entirely stopped going there
waxen frigate
Even though there’s one very close to me that I often pass
waxen frigate
just do the 4 pack
I don’t even see that on the website
waxen frigate
But a 3 soft taco combo is $8.20 before tax LMAO
waxen frigate
use the app
Not downloading an app for a place I refuse to go to anymkre
RIP Doritos Gordita crunch I miss u
lusty grotto
i get that
waxen frigate
But ur not worth $4
lusty grotto
but its saving you money so
waxen frigate
It’s saving me money to eat anywhere else
lusty grotto
and apps always have like free shit too
waxen frigate
I went to Denny’s for the first time ever because of a meme
Like 2 weeks ago
I had a big ass fucking breakfast
For $9 total including tip
I think subtotal was like 7.20
lusty grotto
well obviously anything non-fast food or homecooked is gonna be way fucking better
waxen frigate
For 2 pancakes, 2 sausage, 2 eggs, 2 bacon, and hash browns
lusty grotto
but in a pinch, install app, check specials, order, uninstall
waxen frigate
well obviously anything non-fast food or homecooked is gonna be way fucking bett...
Fast food’s secondary gimmick is being cheaper than normal restaurants
Especially nowadays when everywhere lets you get pickup or delivery
So the primary gimmick is also diminished
lusty grotto
err
waxen frigate
Like why am I gonna pay $10 for McDonald’s if I can pay $8 for twice the food from dennys
lusty grotto
idk delivery services are fucking expensive
waxen frigate
So like if I didn’t sit down and eat at dennys
So I didn’t have to tip
I’d have paid maybe 7.50
lusty grotto
(:
waxen frigate
A “big breakfast” at McDonald’s is 5.60 by itself. Doesn’t include a drink.
A Dennys grand slam is $6
And includes a drink
And also dennys is more badass because of that one video
plush tendon
at this point, just go to Wafflehouse
dinner and a show
but also, if you spend more then $5 on fast food in a single serving... something is wrong
lusty grotto
ig it depends on servings right
plush tendon
what I mean for serving is like a single order
lusty grotto
some states are kinda less than others, on my trip i found out the hard way
idk why
plush tendon
prob tax and median income
lusty grotto
or shit is smaller in comparison
well i guess nish is talking like full meals/combos
so servings might not make a difference
plush tendon
I remember back in the day you could go to a McDs with a $5 bill, get a full meal then head over to the blockbuster and pick up the hottest new game for the PS2
and that would be a solid night
lusty grotto
true
waxen frigate
at this point, just go to Wafflehouse
Don’t have them near me
Also have you guys
Seen the Waffle House pull drop method training video
It’s actually so fucking unhinged
How the fuck do people memorize that
plush tendon
Never heard of that... I only been to Wafflehouse at two times; either 2am after a night out drinking or 8am cause I just woke up
blazing condor
international house of pancakes
waxen frigate
That’s when it starts to get wild
blazing condor
pizza hut
plush tendon
americans will build houses out of everything but sturdy material
We use wafflehouse as a metric if a natural storm is bad or not; if Wafflehouse is open, then its not that bad
waxen frigate
@blazing condor
Jelly pack on top of ketchup packet at the bottom of the plate with an extra jelly pack next to it, Texas toast on the left side, butter underneath the second jelly pack, and a napkin at the top of the plate
What did I order
Also I’m gonna add an upside down mayo packet above the jelly
waxen frigate
It’s simple, Dog.
I ordered a single scrambled egg (runny) with an extra slice of Texas toast and my grits in a bowl rather than on the plate
Get with the program
plush tendon
Im a sunny side up kind of guy
waxen frigate
Okay hang on let me go back through this video to figure out how to do that
Okay move the jelly packs up to the top of the plate instead of the bottom and also get rid of the Mayo pack
lusty grotto
LOL
lusty grotto
timid thicket
Honestly from when I lived in the US all fast food was kinda mid
Except chipotle, that shit is goated
But hella $
plush tendon
IMO, the purpose of fast food is a meal that aint the best, but its at such a good price point/convenience that its great
which has sort of gone away unfort...
plush tendon
getting a chiptole burrito is faster then getting a McChicken
plush tendon
fucking fast food prices in the uk make it not worth now
idk about the UK, but its maybe like a $2 difference between getting a Big Mac and a Soda then going to a casual joint and getting a burger with a pint
jagged pier
u get charged extra if your order is under £15 pounds where i live
jagged pier
and if im spending that much i may aswell order from somewhere else
plush tendon
in like 4 years, everyone is just gonna be eating chicken and rice for every meal
cost effiicient meal FTW
plush tendon
if the price of Rice goes up, there may be riots in the street
jagged pier
in like 4 years, everyone is just gonna be eating chicken and rice for every mea...
hey i do that already
dusky canopy
Especially as people hop on the cheap healthy eating style
Demand goes up
So does cost
😄
plush tendon
rice be on of those things though
where already over 60% of the world eats it as a main source of nutritional value
dusky canopy
60% of what like 8 billion
plush tendon
its prob more
dusky canopy
Prob more yeah
plush tendon
i just cant napkin math right now
dusky canopy
Theirs only so much land for farming
timid thicket
If you want a good deal on rice you gotta buy those 25kg giant bags in a shady asian supermarket
plush tendon
rice is super efficient to produce though is it not?
dusky canopy
Yes afaik
plush tendon
if rice can feed China and India, it can feed the US
ionic fern
"Yields the most per field area".
plush tendon
but im also a big fan of rice; good rice>good pasta
pallid quiver
if rice can feed China and India, it can feed the US
Nah, because rice isn't MURCICAN enough
plush tendon
my new hot take
dusky canopy
Trust me guys, murican food is actual trash
pallid quiver
but im also a big fan of rice; good rice>good pasta
Not at all a hot take as a rice enjoyer
ionic fern
Trust me guys, murican food is actual trash
Common knowledge.
dusky canopy
Somebody out there wants us to be unhealthy
ionic fern
Outside of Briskets.
pallid quiver
I don't enjoy Rice that much.
I'm rioting
ionic fern
I've always wanted to try a brisket.
plush tendon
Trust me guys, murican food is actual trash
depends on what your talking bout
timid thicket
The American way is to mostly grow corn so you can make high fructose corn syrup for drink in McDonalds
plush tendon
Cause the Southern states got food right imo
timid thicket
American BBQ is superior. This is true
dusky canopy
Im a fortunate member of the us who gets to mostly eat farm raised meat and vegetables
A lot of people only eat from a “food store” and it’s largely “fake”
Sad really
plush tendon
we forget America is pretty big; diet varies heavily state to state
like I grew up on eating lots of rice/potatoes and white fish being from New England
prob not the same diet as someone from Pennsylvannia and for sure not the same as someone from Iowa
timid thicket
As kids in Europe we thought Americans only eat burgers, hot dogs and pizza
Sounded like a dream to a young child
plush tendon
Burgers are everywhere in the US and its probably the one thing that most states share in common
but the US is massive and we all dont eat the same thing state to state (hell, region to region)
timid thicket
Swedish yeah
blazing condor
back in my day it was just 10kr for a cheeseburger
now look at how society has failed
timid thicket
Yup. Today in the app they advertised a cheeseburger deal for only 15kr
I was shocketh
pallid quiver
It's roughly about the same cost to eat at a proper restaurant as it is to get fast food now where I'm at
blazing condor
Yup. Today in the app they advertised a cheeseburger deal for only 15kr
its over
lusty grotto
https://tenor.com/view/actorindie-mexican-brisket-meat-food-gif-13254445
DELICIOUS
lusty grotto
noms
timid thicket
Tbh I don't cook much traditional Swedish food
I do go and eat meatballs at Ikea on the regular tho
plush tendon
struggle meals build character
lusty grotto
a good burger is good, but its not like an every day thing
timid thicket
Btw 12 meatballs with mashed potatoes and gravy is $6 at IKEA, and half off all food on Wednesdays. And a big Mac meal is $8.30.
lusty grotto
rice, noodles, etc ftw
timid thicket
IKEA is big value
blazing condor
ikea is goated
blazing condor
thats the play, take it from a swede. Otherwise you'll be taken into the IKEA backrooms where you'll be forced to assemble furniture for the rest of your life
plush tendon
forgot what they were called; bilar or something?
plush tendon
plush tendon
yea!
we have some Scandinavian stores... but its like a 1:30 trip from where I am 😦
timid thicket
The slogan is Most sold car in Sweden
blazing condor
i heard that america opened up a swedish-style candy store and everyone is raving about it
just buying candy by bulk-prize
plush tendon
I never heard of it
knotty vortex
we still using 2 embellishments for crafted in s4 since its 6 ilvls behind?
plush tendon
but theres a smattering of Scandavian food stores across the states
lusty grotto
i actually dont think ive ever had any of that in here
plush tendon
usually just mom and pop shops/something attached to a cultural center
plush tendon
lots of Ex-pats live in the states so you get a lot of cultural specific stores and community centers
blazing condor
i know there's some heavy swedish places
plush tendon
like my dad has lived in the states for 60 years.... hes still a non American, Swedish Citizen
blazing condor
timid thicket
When I lived in. The bay area there was one random store that had lingonsylt and snus
plush tendon
most Nords are either in the North East or Mid West
blazing condor
When I lived in. The bay area there was one random store that had lingonsylt and...
honestly thats big
plush tendon
theres a reason why they are the Minnesota Vikings
blazing condor
i feel bad for people who cant have lingonberry jam on their things
timid thicket
There are some community colleges in California that are like 30% Swedish students
We love that sun
knotty vortex
what we running augury and what
plush tendon
no one knows yet
still waiting 'tuning'
Icon is pretty broken right now
its just giving a obscene amount of stats
knotty vortex
i wonder how many bullions they gonna allow us to get
knotty vortex
u can just max ur gear in raid this tier it seems if theres no limit
and it goes to mythic quality
lusty grotto
yeah and thats great
timid thicket
Honestly one buillion item per week is fine because you still gotta upgrade it 12 times right
timid thicket
That's the real bottleneck, assuming there are crest caps
knotty vortex
its suppose to be a fun season
timid thicket
Yeah I hope it's no crest cap from the start
warm plinth
Goose
timid thicket
Let us be op
warm plinth
I'm inside
lusty grotto
watch it tailgait some random person "excuse me sir, i left my badge at home"
warm plinth
Lmaooo
cerulean tusk
Castle doctorine, then make a good meal
plush tendon
for S4, we should be pretty much fully geared 2-3 weeks imo
no more CE achievements to be had.... just let people blast while we wait for War Within Beta
lusty grotto
yea
cerulean tusk
If only warrior blasted
exotic scroll
how is prot warrior doing for high keys?
cerulean tusk
We ain't no prot Pala either to be fair. Nor guardian or BDK.
Does warrior have any good dungs in DF pool? Maybe HoF due to last boss
I need some hopium
plush tendon
Azure Vault
Spell Reflect is really strong in that dungeon for the two big tank busters
Nokhud same thing
the meta as its looking like right now is like VDH>Bear>>Prot Pal=Prot War=BDK
assuming no class tuning
and the value of VDH is also raised because its probably another caster meta
with Shadow, Destro, and Fire (and maybe a aug flex) being the ideal DPS comp
cerulean tusk
Prot pal got interrupt spam, so doubt warr will be on that same standing. It is prot pal and VDH is equal, not warr and pal
grim pilot
the meta as its looking like right now is like VDH>Bear>>Prot Pal=Prot War=BDK
Ppal>pwar
Sp and fire are locked
Destro is a possibility
plush tendon
Ppal>pwar
cant argue, but I think Prot Pal and Prot War are close... still both are looking from the outside in
grim pilot
Same as aug
Whatever pwar has
Ppal has
- util
Sac bop spellward freedomn
All of those are very good
- wog
cerulean tusk
Pwar has SR, we are made or break with those values
grim pilot
Sr is just extra dam
cerulean tusk
Lets hope they buff the reflect able busters
plush tendon
Pwar has battleshout, which keeps getting devalued cause its range>melee 😦
grim pilot
And last boss in hoi has been reworked
cerulean tusk
Make every buster do 30% boss self dam
Warr is then maybe a pick to bring
... tho I see a world where you bring an arms warr instead, and still don't bring prot warr
plush tendon
youd prob slot a bear in for a melee comp
and grab a warrior dps
cause warrior dps aint bad
but you could prob build a comp around a Prot War tank
cerulean tusk
Prot Warr, monk, hunter, feral, rogue? 
plush tendon
You could go like Prot War, Havoc, Ret, Rogue, Range Healer?
idk, I feel like theres options; or at least flexible
just wont be as dominate as the caster comps
actually, kitty's makes a lot of sense
cerulean tusk
Ferals fill same role as the Ret, but buffs the team. DH buffs less than the monk. If you start removing the modifiers, then you kinda just go back to bring a VDH or HDH, with a Ret or Ppala
cerulean tusk
Rogue is needed for skips, as no priest
My comp is perfect, if it isn't for those classes being perceived as suboptimal
plush tendon
and ya need hunter for a range bitch
cerulean tusk
Now you just gotta find the players
plush tendon
cerulean tusk
Only ferals I know that are gods, are PvP bros. I don't know how, but they do all the CC, all the utility, heal and blast DPS something silly
Also, the PvP calls in the key is funny
"Raking, into root, next, next, done"
Yes, I know what that means. It means whatever is happening is handled
plush tendon
M+ now is just layering on aoe stops
"Sigil, Sigil, Beam, Chains, Misery, Chains, Misery, Sigil, DB, Blast, Fear, Sigil"
and thats about a 1:30 of CC
cerulean tusk
Warrior got shockwave 
cerulean tusk
When it worked correctly, for sure
Hey, soon we get 3 T stormbolt tho, so saved
... wonder if they are going to reign in others, or throw prot warr into the CC creep gang
wind oak
killing the CC creep
or they just gonna put more and more stuff that needs CC to justify this amount
cerulean tusk
TWW will focus on a lot more autoattack and shooting damage. As we back to fighting less fantasy enemies
wind oak
50% of dmg from AA
cerulean tusk
Single target, low frequency, high damage, tank focused spells only
wind oak
nice gameplay
plush tendon
I want less CC abilities and less cc required in PVE
not sure how PVPers feel about it
cerulean tusk
PvPers don't give a fuck, they only take the heavy 1T stuns anyhow
plush tendon
but Im kind of over the AoE CC layering
lusty grotto
all blizzard has to do is just make illuminated sigils apply only to sigil of flame
vdh will still have an up on stops but thats easily tweaked by mob immunities
waxen frigate
Hey, soon we get 3 T stormbolt tho, so saved
Does he know
lusty grotto
plush tendon
all blizzard has to do is just make illuminated sigils apply only to sigil of fl...
Illuminated sigils should go back to 20% parry, and 2 charges of ED and SoF; no double util sigils
waxen frigate
all blizzard has to do is just make illuminated sigils apply only to sigil of fl...
Their damage and defensive strength are also a bit out of line but it’s not as egregious
lusty grotto
yeah but throughput is a very simple fix
plush tendon
without the double util sigils, dont think it competes with double fiery brand without a little buff
lusty grotto
yea
that IS strange
but historically blizzard has been slower to nerf stops, utility, etc than throughput, even in this expansion
lusty grotto
they obviously dont
cerulean tusk
I am still mad about our nerfs... it was our only time to shine, before ppl got good gear
hardy snow
or maybe just make dungeons with mobs that doesn't require thousands of CC 🤔
plush tendon
I blame the old dungeon revamps
cerulean tusk
Jawor is on my side, all autos and shots!
plush tendon
the worst offenders are shit like ToT and EB
cerulean tusk
ToT spell reflects are ace tho, wdum
plush tendon
honestly, the best dungeon in terms of required CC is probably BRH
cerulean tusk
BRH now that we are going the bleed side
lusty grotto
or maybe just make dungeons with mobs that doesn't require thousands of CC 🤔
yeah
except
a cc chain will still make mobs do 0 damage
plush tendon
Fall aint bad either
lusty grotto
so while i agree with the fact that
there's just way too fucking much going on at all times
that's not gonna make cc chains useless
cerulean tusk
No need to CC if mobs only auto
cerulean tusk
Autos only hit the tank, so ya
waxen frigate
a cc chain will still make mobs do 0 damage
Yeah but stuns have diminishing returns that kick in rather fast
plush tendon
the things I hate are mob abilties with no CD (so just repeat casts) fervant strike abilties, and shit like the jugs in Atal
waxen frigate
DHs disable an entire pack by themselves for like 20+ sec
waxen frigate
the things I hate are mob abilties with no CD (so just repeat casts) fervant str...
“Jump to random ranged and blow their face up” mobs need to be nuked from existence
cerulean tusk
Nah, fuck ranged players
If I got to dodge and weave, they got to wasd once a year
waxen frigate
Well that’s the thing
They can’t just do that
It’s just
I jump on you and you die instantly
The counter play is to have precognition
Or be a warlock
cerulean tusk
Just premove, yep. Or play around with a minion or totem
waxen frigate
Just predict the impending instant one shot
lusty tiger
“Jump to random ranged and blow their face up” mobs need to be nuked from existe...
But I LOVE waycrest courtyard
cerulean tusk
Melee without extendo arms got it 100x worse
plush tendon
The counter play is to have precognition
or have a totem you can place out of melee and everyone stack in
its just really cancer
waxen frigate
or have a totem you can place out of melee and everyone stack in
We love forcing a specific class to play a specific talent to deal with a shit ass mob mechanic
cerulean tusk
I won't feel sorry for them, when all they got to do is move or counterplay it. Once every 2 moons of packs
plush tendon
or needing a weakaura to tell when ability is about to happen and having to prestun the mob so the ability goes back on CD
looking at you EB Serkers
cerulean tusk
Casters and ranged deserve all they get. As melee gets chased, bonked, denied and so much more constantly and almost every pull.
While ranged just stand there, looking at the fixating mob that turns around halfway to them 
lusty grotto
lots of good ideas, but we play the game
either way, there's an argument to be made, all of us regulars here are on a higher tier than the average M+ player
so i think blizzard is just saying maybe its not a problem meta-wise on lower levels
which is flawed in itself
especially when it comes to how many goddamn fucking abilities trash mobs have (which im fucking sure no casual player enjoys)
and how the casual crowd STILL follows rank 1 meta picks
jagged pier
either way, there's an argument to be made, all of us regulars here are on a hig...
thats not a high bar
im still in the top 10% and i havent done a key in months 
lusty grotto
plush tendon
Frankly, whatever balancing blizzard does has little consequence at the low end
lusty grotto
right
plush tendon
I still dont really know what the average wow player does
or by what standard balancing is done for
all this expansion taught me is that if you get reworked-> you are now meta
lusty grotto
yeah
idk
i understand balancing with the average player in mind
and i understand balancing with rank 1 players in mind
and their respective counter arguments
but when you put a ladder, and tournaments in
and a race
effectively making it an e-sport
or whatever
plush tendon
What even is the average player
lusty grotto
idk if they can go one way or the other
plush tendon
is it a weekly 7? In which case, class balance plays 0 role in the content you are doing
lusty grotto
to 20 = 10 etc
plush tendon
cause at the level, you are still learning how to play the game
lusty grotto
right
ok heres a take
put portals as a reward lower
put the ksm mount lower
and then just leave pushing for people that actually wanna do it, but the counter for that is
wouldn't that lower the pop doing that level at X range?
so is that a good thing?
jagged gust
Terrible imo
cerulean tusk
My character is complete
plush tendon
I dont know what they do with lower level content tbh
cause its content I burn through in less than a hour on patch day
lusty grotto
ive been on both ends
jagged gust
Well patches this xpac have been incredibly lacklustre
plush tendon
like, what is it like to be progging through the single digit keys IDK
lusty grotto
err
jagged gust
Like compare time rifts or even doti to fucking mechagon
lusty grotto
i thought patch timing was actually faster this time around
plush tendon
Im hoping delves are good for the solo player experience
theres only so much world content can be
jagged gust
Patches felt hella consistent, but the quality of them is what was detrimental
plush tendon
the best time for world content is literally week 1 of the expac
when everyone was running around leveling, killing rares, doing whatever they could before Vault released
jagged gust
Like augusto said you burn through them pretty much instantly and there's no longevity added to playable content
plush tendon
its very monotonous stuff
lusty grotto
but cosmetic hunters and stuff do
plush tendon
but again, theres just not much else you can do to world content
like Mage Tower is a good example; thats excellent solo experience gameplay right there
but once you do it once.... its done
jagged gust
WoD had a good feel for world content
jagged gust
With those non-soloable group zones for your daily/weekly quests
plush tendon
there are a lot of solo players who dont want to do any sort of group content
so there is that push and pull in that regard
jagged gust
Which is pretty obvious with how they pivoted away from that content pretty fucking quickly
Rare hunting is probably the closest they gave us for that type of content this xpac, which when it was relevant actually was kind of enjoyable
plush tendon
it just only lasts for so long
before its outdated
the shelf life of world content is just so short
jagged gust
Yeah ROI for that kind of content probably pushes them away from developing in that area too much
plush tendon
whereas M+ and raid content you get months of people doing it
jagged gust
I think every xpac has some good examples of where they went right, like Mechagon, Lost Isle (Or w/e the MoP island was called) Mage Tower off the top of my head
Except BFA/SL kind of missed the mark with Expeditions/torghast
plush tendon
BFA tried warfronts to
and SL tried the special covenants events
which got overshadowed by the imbalance of the cov abilties
like, the build your abom seemed pretty cool.... too bad most people were playing cov for playerpower and by the time they could freely swap.... the idea was dead in the water
lusty grotto
rare hunting is also.... way too repetitive at this point
same as chest hunting, world quests, etc
its "expected" content
im not saying thats bad
plush tendon
a lot of the cov event stuff seemed good on paper.... but they never got any attention cause, again, cov imbalance
lusty grotto
yeah thats true
jagged gust
I couldn't be assed with SL for the most part, only world content I ever did was farming ZM for mats unfortunately
Actually ZM was a pretty fucking fun addition but probably falls out of the purview of the discussion
plush tendon
SL open world content was basically dead on arrival
by the time ZM came out, players were done after dealing with The Maw and whatever that shard zone was
jagged gust
fr I can't believe I finally escaped the maw to... go back to maw 2.0
plush tendon
which was a shame cause SL dungeons were pretty good
by like season 2
we dont talk about Season 1
blizzard with their whole nonsense 'tanks should require healers!' bull shit
jagged gust
As an undercover surv hunter main S4 was pretty decent too
jagged gust
Yeah I actually came back to wow in DF S2 and the meta whiplash was unreal
plush tendon
DF overall has had good balance
but also had the worst meta imbalance ever
with god comp
jagged gust
Oh yeah I don't disagree, I never felt like I was slowing my group down, but god comp had people denying me from 11s with 447 gear
plush tendon
the biggest failing of DF in my opinion is that reworked classes are obviously a step above non-reworked classes
lusty grotto
i think thats the bad part
plush tendon
so basically playing a lottery game of 'will I get rework'
lusty grotto
cause those are the ones that made the meta comps
jagged gust
The pessimist in me says reworks are just a cashgrab
lusty grotto
at least
jagged gust
Not that they're not necessary especially when there's a constant gap, but the consistency of how OP they come out afterwards just makes me think they're farming level boosts for new characters every season
lusty grotto
once reworks are done