protection

[covert flower]

rogues can shadowstep during it

actually really strong interaction

not sure if any other classes can move during it

maybe monks with transcendence but obviously use case for that is way less dynamic and more of an emergency way out if you rip it and something is about to fuck you

[blazing condor]

maybe time to get game-time again

[tall sky]

any good weakauras i hsould have? can't find one that alerts me for everything regarding whatkskills are up lik e when execute is available etc

[blazing condor]

its good to track your defensives

shield block

also good to track tier set

[tall sky]

any macros too?

[tall sky]

got any import luink?

[blazing condor]

i have my own elvui and use TMW like a boomer

[blazing condor]

https://wago.io/RwQjeeIek you can take this entire UI from nom and just cut and choose what you like

should contain everything you need

[tall sky]

Thanks!

[tall sky]

Whats the yellow bar with 240 on it?

[blazing condor]

@strong forum

sry i dont use it personally

[strong forum]

Outburst tracker

Tracks how much rage you need to spend until your next outburst proc

Turns green when outburst is up

[dusk sphinx]

Out of curiosity would Dwarf be the better fit regarding racial benefits when doing m+? like stoneform can prevent bleeds or do we have a better option?

[urban portal]

generally dwarf is the play

[dusk sphinx]

aye thought so, feel like i can manage most dungeon at the moment but the dog bleed in throne rips me apart lol

[sullen gust]

In season 1 I was a baby prot warrior doing m+ for the first time, so now I'd consider myself decent, are any of the old dungeon bosses super ass for prot warrior?

[urban portal]

not really no

[warm plinth]

Crawth is...suboptimal

Other than that, not really.

[dusk sphinx]

Mountain thane theme for prot seems pretty cool or is it just me?

[urban portal]

rather have 5% size

[blazing condor]

Crawth also got nerfed

[warm plinth]

True, we will have to see the impact

[pallid quiver]

it'd be really funny if they mega buffed everything right as season dropped proper

[warm plinth]

The aoe ticking damage on 2nd boss AV is really weak though, even on +10

ticks for like 150k every 2.5 sec

First boss is gonna be brutal for some tank specs

Ring skip is possible btw, if anyone had doubts/heard conflicting information on it.

[blazing condor]

sure thatll be patched eventually

not really good design for skips like that to be in the dungeons

[warm plinth]

It won't be

Frog skip was patched forever ago

This one hasn't been the whole time

[pallid quiver]

I personally don't like huge major skips that are awkward like that because if I take a break for half a season and then come back, people give you death threats if you don't do that skip because EVERYONE'S BEEN DOING THIS THE WHOLE SEASON YOU FU-

and so on

[warm plinth]

You can time the dungeon without skipping it anyway. I would never do any skip like that without everyone being aware at the beginning anyway.

[pallid quiver]

tell that to the randos and their kneejerk reactions; i know that

[warm plinth]

I have decided

[pallid quiver]

damn

[warm plinth]

The pack I will miss the least from this season

[pallid quiver]

he's decided

[warm plinth]

Is the first two mobs of Everbloom

[urban bane]

thanks, super helpful. i'd seen so many people still insist ring skip didn't work any more??

[warm plinth]

I imagine quite a few of them probably assumed that since one skip had been fixed, the other had as well.

[compact palm]

Which one works

[torn gulch]

i've done crawth on a 12 the bleed is much more manageable
still hurts a little

[warm plinth]

Yeah tbh, wouldn't be surprised if we see some stuff get buffed before the season starts

[blazing condor]

just make some piss easy season if we gotta endure the DF dungeons anyway

[warm plinth]

[torn gulch]

tbh if they adjust uldaman from what i've seen dungeons are decent

you can do 15's in good groups at 489 ilvl

and we'll have 525+

[grim pilot]

isnt the only thing they changed was first boss?

as in they dont plan on making lots of changes there considering the start

[torn gulch]

yes uldaman needs more

adjusting

hopefully we'll see some otherwise that's hallowed ground next season

bosses hurt some trash hurts bad

third boss is actually unfair

it's worse than it was in s2

[grim pilot]

u mean hurt the tank?

or the group

[torn gulch]

hurts everyone

[pallid quiver]

you're unfair

[torn gulch]

especially the group

[pallid quiver]

gottem

[grim pilot]

because I've never struggled in ulda outside of trash when tanking

yeah

[torn gulch]

chomps are actually hilarious

[grim pilot]

ye

if you dont kite them out

[torn gulch]

you get vaporised

[grim pilot]

they are absolutely devastating

I do recall dying in a 20

20 tyra

from them

whilst having tanked some 26's on fortified

it's way too brutal

[torn gulch]

you have to stutter step

to avoid getting chomped

but it's a pain in the ass

[grim pilot]

ye

but isnt it a bit harder to do so

than those mobs before 3rd boss

I've never struggled with them

but I have with basilisks

[torn gulch]

yes those are easy because you can step out at the end of the cast

and you do it forever

[grim pilot]

ye

they were only scary on bdk purely because of the melees when pulling with the boss

as a warrior I havent had the issue with them

[warm plinth]

Helps that you can reset the stacks as a warrior

Have to rely on others to do it as a DK

[torn gulch]

we need dragon adjustments in hoi and uldaman adjustments and i think we're decent

[grim pilot]

aa seems a bit overtuned so far in my opinion

but that's the only dungeon I've tried on ptr

vexamus is rough

[torn gulch]

it is but not that crazy

[warm plinth]

First boss AV is rough but not for us

[torn gulch]

last boss can get scary now

because of area of denial stacks so much faster now

you start the fight on 2 circles

and it can quickly get out of control now

i ended a 13 tyr doragosa only me and healer alive juking like neo in matrix

balls everywhere

[warm plinth]

You can't stutter step or backstep chomp btw

You would have to full on kite

[torn gulch]

are basilisks too fast for that?

or i remember wrong

[warm plinth]

They are yeah, chomp has like a .5 sec cast time

And even if you're strafing in a straight line away from them, they still stay right on you

[torn gulch]

i am a tank and i will have to behave like a pussy

[warm plinth]

[torn gulch]

in order not to get vaporised

welcome to sl s1

[warm plinth]

Yeah, at least the other bleed is backpedalable though

[torn gulch]

playing a non vdh in sl s1 felt like i am a pussy

and i have to run away

[warm plinth]

Let me test and see if tc is enough to be able to strafe away

Okay yeah if you have TC on them and strafe, you can avoid it

So you remembered correctly; I just didn't think to test w/ TC at first

[torn gulch]

but it's a pain in the ass

[warm plinth]

No backpedaling ofc, but strafe works

[torn gulch]

with how big that pull has to be if i remember well

let's see if i remember to strafe

[warm plinth]

I think if you just drop TR/Ravager/TC and then strafe a bit, it'll be easier because they should sync up

so you can just stutter and not have to worry about taking a random one

But not sure; it's hard to test when they die really fast in m0

[torn gulch]

taking a random one is fine taking 3 is bye bye

[warm plinth]

yeah

If they increased the cast time to 1.5 then it would be backpedalable; that's consistent with basically everything else we've had to backpedal in the last couple expansions

(this one and last I mean)

Well actually even BFA we backpedaled some stuff

[knotty vortex]

Is s4 tier set the same stats combos as this season?

[sullen gust]

Same set so all the same I believe

[light ermine]

can you hold seeds on fyrakk as tank or is there anythign weird about it?

[shut summit]

the tank hit will blow it up

[amber gate]

If u’re not currently tanking yes

[violet ginkgo]

safer to not take it as tank, I mean there are plenty of those dps and healers.

[blazing condor]

And trust THEM?

Hell naw

cant wait for P-warrs to be s-tier meta again now that we're going back to S1 dungeons

[warm plinth]

Bit of copium there my friend

[torn gulch]

Kekw

[hazy bronze]

It's only 4/8 of s1 dungeons though

[covert flower]

I think the strat is just pull everything, tank it like a meat shield and blame group when our shit mob control gets everybody killed

Alleviating all responsibility, and you can't get blamed because your group knows what they're running with before it starts

[hardy snow]

This is the way through whole DF

[pallid quiver]

why is bear frontal so hard for so many people to aim smh

[jagged pier]

🤷

[pallid quiver]

I think I've had it rapid spun into me every single time I've done this fight as a non-tank

[jagged pier]

get

good

and

react

[pallid quiver]

jakey talking like a real fighting game player

"8 frame overhead? just react, bro, it ain't that cheap"

[jagged pier]

real and true boss moves u move with the ass

your head should be in the ass

[pallid quiver]

it was

until 0.1 sec with a leap from the dh

[jagged pier]

plenty of time

[pallid quiver]

ur right, should just react

overheads ain't shit, anyway smh

[jagged pier]

im washed need new ppl to be good at reacting

[pallid quiver]

I'm even more washed than you, can't expect me to react

Can't even react to the things I've trained against

[jagged pier]

you still playing

i log in twice a week

[pallid quiver]

I only casually log to see if I get into pugs

It's always a shit storm because none of my chars are 480 or above

So I get the funny groups

[jagged pier]

[pallid quiver]

I'm not even talking not knowing mechanics, I mean like there was one group leader who rage quit from his full clear group because the raid didn't wait for him to full fill to maximize boe drop chances for his boe collection

that was before first boss that he rage quit, too

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-mandalorian-star-wars-this-is-the-way-gif-18467372

[cerulean tusk]

I did not know how bad PuGing was, before I made a group on a Friday. Apparently I am not a shitter, I am apparently decent
What a clownshow

[pallid quiver]

The large majority of pugs are usually pugging for a reason that's not great; either they're not consistent enough, not likable enough, or not good enough

All of those boil into an interesting pit

The worst part with consistently pugging is that you keep having to effectively reprog bosses due to the above

Also, most pug leads don't properly vet people

They most casually glance at ilvl or random achievements

both of things which can either be bought or obtained with time

And of those who actually do things like look at logs,

most don't know how to read logs

[cerulean tusk]

The amount of times I have had the raidleader going all "reeeee, you are doing it wrong", and I ask what he wants me to do - and it is something like "I want you to bring Larodar into the middle of the room all the time" kind of stupid... Sure I do it, cause maybe I will learn something new... sadly, I never learn anything new.

Luckily at a certain point, RL gives me assist and I just take over the ship. Timmy the floorcleaner (482) is out, Chadrone the Destroyer of meters (460 alt) invited. Strats go from 10 minutes of RW explanation to: Go to X, Y and Z, fail and you get booted. Blam, ez life ez raid

The PuGs usually got one of two reactions:
a) "What? No! Toxic! This is not the way?! Elitist!"
b) "... is this real? It was so smooth... thank you, thank you!"

PuG adventures are always something special

*protips: Check how many HC kills they have at this point, example: they killed fyrrakk 5+ times, they know what to do. Bring the 478 ret alt with 5 kills, over the 484 with 1 kill. *
Bring the 9/9 mythic main, on a 467 alt, than the 482 HC raider, as the mythic raiders will drag in their friends
You are welcome

[amber vector]

im pugging because ive been 70 all of a week..

if that.. hit it on monday lol

[pallid quiver]

i'm the person kitty wouldn't invite

I think I have like 2-3 fyrakk kills overall since I did like, a clear week 2

then piked off for most of the season

[cerulean tusk]

You prob right 👍

[warm plinth]

Plot twist I've purchased 5 aotc runs

[cerulean tusk]

Plot twist, you paid to join my run

[warm plinth]

Probably true

I didn't get gholak and rageheart by myself

[cerulean tusk]

when aug augs

[warm plinth]

seems gud

[cerulean tusk]

be gud

[timid nacelle]

Hey guys. I benched my prot warrior this season and instead ran with my Pally and DH. Getting ready for S4 and thinking I want to move back to my warrior tank as I prefer the aesthetics and play style. So done a few keys this week and really enjoy it, but the big pulls with casters with no range interrupt can be tough. How do you guys deal with these, I notice no one recommends disrupting shout but looks like one of our best tools for dealing with large caster packs. Obviously have Shield Charge for an extra interrupt but 14 seconds on our standard interrupt and not being ranged feels rough. Any other hits and tips from moving back from DH and Pally to Warr would be appreciated.

[thin glade]

Whenever I tank on my warr I get a little sad about the lack of utility compared to DH and pally

I like to pick up disrupting shout for m+, at least when pugging

[pallid quiver]

LOS to gather them, mostly

You definitely can't DH pull due to lack of silence; they just are privileged with their ability to pull differently

[opal forum]

disrupting shout is very valuable and it is used at top level, other then that, i like to tell my group that i'll need some help silencing some adds so they can pack on me (i usually do that on first pull in dg like EB or Rise before key start). Then its LOS like mentioned

you do have to understand that war is not as good as DH and pal this season and this is the biggest reason why, you wont have much choice sometime then trust ur mates since you cant do it all by yourself

[molten pollen]

guys how do you survive in a +22 in dark hearth thicket

on the tree boss?

[grim pilot]

check pins

for proper rotation and vod

[weary saddle]

for tree boss, i just spell reflect and whatever cd is up

should have spell reflect for every grip

for 22s and 23s

[cerulean tusk]

And pray, pray hard

[uneven tapir]

Does anyone have a weak aura for tracking rend? Or a reminder ect?

[spring cedar]

press Tunder Clap

[trim wind]

Do we press thunder clap ST and not Rend ability?

I just started

[spring cedar]

Thunder Clap applies Rend

and you are pressing TC on CD

Rend is a rage spender, rage that can be spent on Shield Block (big), Ignore Pain and Revenge

oh, and Execute

[uneven tapir]

Not what I asked and also I don't know what ( tunder clap ) is 😆

[spring cedar]

Thats the issue

[uneven tapir]

Your spelling yes

[spring cedar]

its like asking how to Drift while you don't know how to drive

[uneven tapir]

Or it's like did you finish school or you did 🤔

[spring cedar]

you are asking for a way to track something that has basically 100% uptime because of an ability you press on CD

[uneven tapir]

Mind bender thier just think about it

[spring cedar]

but you dont even know what that ability is

[uneven tapir]

No i do lmao, just didn't quite understand your spelling behind it

Like you come out the gate hot as fuck, thinking your gonna blast me, then you fuck up on your own spelling. Lmao 🤣 🤣

[spring cedar]

??

I just said "press Thunder Clap", a baseline ability

[uneven tapir]

.

[spring cedar]

instead of a tracking WA

[uneven tapir]

.

[spring cedar]

zzzzzzz

[uneven tapir]

Idiot

[spring cedar]

oh no, I made a spelling mistake

how can I live with this

[uneven tapir]

Well don't come at me trying to be a smart ass, then proceed to to fuck up two words lol 😂

[spring cedar]

it looks like you came here to start an argument, hence why you asked such a morronic question

[uneven tapir]

No it was a general question

[spring cedar]

either that or you have room temperature IQ

[uneven tapir]

Let's not start a conversation on IQ lmao 🤣

[uneven tapir]

Obviously I asked a question 🙄

[warm plinth]

Bruh lmao

[warm plinth]

@jagged pier I DID IT

[jagged pier]

[violet ginkgo]

So gg

[dusky canopy]

Pog!

Putting in work!

[warm plinth]

[deft hinge]

gg!

[warm plinth]

@dusky canopy storm archon can suck my ass

r4 at level 8 tickling people

[dusky canopy]

Haha! yeah its not very good late game imo but its decent enough early on

[keen leaf]

Imagine coming in here for help then getting mad at a spell check from the guy helping you though

[warm plinth]

@dusky canopy

🤔

[dusky canopy]

Lets gooo!

you did it!

[warm plinth]

How do I have 40 though XD

I thought you needed 100k

[dusky canopy]

its not exactly 100k

mine was before 100k also

[warm plinth]

weird

[jagged pier]

[warm plinth]

I'm so relieved to be done. I had a lot of fun but it was still a grind

[jagged pier]

[waxen frigate]

meanwhile im grinding dragonriding rn

gotta get the dog 🙂

[hazy bronze]

If only the storm would move out of azure span

[waxen frigate]

I’m pretty behind on things

I need to set up the spreadsheet

I have a lot to do

But I’m trying to do some of the instant gratification stuff up front so I can build up sunk cost for when I get to the hard grinds and want to quit

[cerulean tusk]

I have simply set my rend (ability) to not show before 4 seconds are left on the duration. Then give that trigger an action, sound que: Mew. And another sound que when rend fades totally from the target: Meow.

You can easily do that going into you WA bar setup, and just add those conditions o7

Rend should just be refreshed by your rotation as is, but hey - it might be useful in niche scenarios. Mine is just overflow from PvP arms

[cerulean tusk]

Gz, now you can start going for the feat of strength

[knotty vortex]

S4 we using the same set as S3 right? and are the stat combos the same?

[pallid quiver]

S4 will have the S3 tier set bonus, yes, and if by stat combos you mean prio, yeah. It'd take a relatively fundamental redesign of the class to mess with stat prio

and of base game mechanics considering the value of primary universally

[echo egret]

I never thought I would be able to do that one day.

[cerulean tusk]

Gj

[rigid edge]

Any tips for establishing threat on M+ pulls? I feel especially Rpaladins or big hitter that are 5 Ilvl or more higher just shred threat at the start of pulls easily... I've read some old tips here and I'm trying to do most of them, just not sure if it's me doing things wrong or them bursting too hard, maybe both

[fallow nova]

Did they ever fix the ursine vengeance trinket?

[echo egret]

Retri paladins have to restrain themselves.
My general rule is that anyone pulling agrro in the first 5 seconds of a pull, deserve their fate.

[keen leaf]

Its working "right now"

[uneven trench]

Could try splitting CDs up when you notice someone yanking threat constantly. Roar on one pack, ravager on the next, etc. It feels kinda bad but it's what I used to do when I was new to tanking and needed a bit of extra help holding aggro. But like others have said, if someone isn't letting you establish threat because they're trying to jerk off to their overall they deserve whatever happens to them.

[warm plinth]

Haaaaard pass

[cerulean tusk]

[jagged gust]

I've come around on liking it, because as far as grinds I've had to do in wow go this was probably the most enjoyable

[strong forum]

Proud renown 0 gamer here ama

[hazy bronze]

How big are you?

[uneven tapir]

I'm what situation should spell block be used? On cds? Or only certain things

[strong forum]

Like every defensive in the game, you use it as you need it

There's no Blanket answer

[uneven tapir]

someone help me with the macro for shield slam and ingore pain? the one i got dont work

Don't work

[cerulean tusk]

Should work if you got the rage for it, but - you really should just use IP on its own button. Thumb button on the mouse or similar works excellently.

Anyhow, just double check that there are no spaces or lines breaking the macro. Easiest is just to write it in yourself as:
#showtooltip
/Cast shield slam
/Cast ignore pain

[uneven tapir]

ty!!!

[cerulean tusk]

[strong forum]

This one is the wrong order

Ignore pain goes first, then shield slam second as is explained in the pins

[uneven tapir]

It worked thank you, you was spot on 🙂

Tested that in a 20 tott worked very well 👌

[cerulean tusk]

[cerulean tusk]

In pins, I only see tier WA, stancedance, SR WA/spreadsheet and 10.2 builds
Edit: nah it is there, just don't show in the pins overview. You got to open and scroll 📜

[uneven tapir]

So what's the big debait here about stats? Everyone saying verse others saying crit.

We want high crit low verse? Or low crit high verse?

Or in the middle? Lol

[cerulean tusk]

Best Ilvl you can get, best shield you can get, then get as much haste you can get - finally just fill with Vers/crit as you prefer, with mastery being the least important stat.

Crit gives Parry and damage, versa gives damage reduction and damage. Versa is better Vs magic dam, but nothing to care about really. Just get some of everything.

[uneven tapir]

Thank you

In that case

You use crit phials? Or verse phials in mplus personally

[strong forum]

i use crit phial

[uneven tapir]

I have 40% haste 31%crit and 26%verse, if I use crit phial. I'd he at 39% crit

[strong forum]

sounds good

[uneven tapir]

🙂 ty guys

[weary saddle]

isnt Flask of Spectral Power (gives pri stat) better than crit phial? u cannot have both at once right

[grim pilot]

it's 69 primary stat

and no, you cannot have both at once

crit phial will give you 1k crit

realistically you only have 3 choices in pve: vers flask, crit phial or (for tanks only) eye in the storm

[covert flower]

Could be turbo weird and use the boon one

[grim pilot]

technically there is 1 more flask but it gives you less secondary stat than vers but it's a different stat

I cant think of 1 spec that would actually use it over vers flask

[hazy bronze]

Spectral power is from previous xpac

[warm plinth]

Frost mage uses elemental chaos (the rotating secondaries one)

[grim pilot]

I did not know

is vers that bad for them?

I.e. other stats that good

[hazy bronze]

Other stats that good

[steep condor]

How is prot warrior looking for S4? I've been away a month so got no clue. Not looking for a comparison with Meta. Just how you are all feeling about it.

[cerulean tusk]

If we don't get any tuning, we likely going to be exactly where we are now. Gets the job done, but not the best option.

We won't be "good" before we get our early advantage in TWW, where we are the best option till ppl get gear. Ofc, we going to be nerfed hard,as a kneejerk reaction to community backlash. Then get gradually buffed back to start, while being bottom tier the whole expansion.

[steep condor]

thanks very much for putting that reply together. I really appreciate it. very helpful.

[cerulean tusk]

Doomers always on duty in Skyhold

[vital sinew]

Having a taste of fotm in 9.0 only to be eclipsed and then buried was brutal. Didn't even get a full season this time.

[warm plinth]

Anyone know if they fixed ursine vengeance yet after it was broken in the patch?

[covert flower]

I'm happy to have no cool shit or utility for the group and just be a straight like

Brick wall that does good damage

Like I think if we did near the top dmg of all tanks and were near the top of tankiness regardless of meta you'd always feel good about playing it yourself at least

Tankiness obv not an issue ATM

[waxen frigate]

yes

[steep condor]

me too - and to be honest on the odd occassion i play dps i see tanks who use none of their god given gifts to help the party anyway.

[cerulean tusk]

Warrior is the most "tank" in the game. Sadly, with everyone becoming close to equal in tankiness in the glorious name of balance - it means, that advantage really isn't a factor. Same really goes for damage.

Control, interupt and rando utility is what differ tanks, and warrior is fittingly not the best at that.

If we did more DPS, then other tanks would cry up a storm - even if with that we were not the best pick. Happens every time.

[hardy snow]

Nothing changed in last month, we are still ok as we were

[pliant jolt]

the camera is auto focus and i am not able to look around unless i am clicking the mouse, this is very annoying

how to disable this ?

[jagged pier]

In the settings

[coarse ginkgo]

I progged 8/9 but got sat for Fyrakk. Guess cause the adds control. Guild wants a quick kill before S4.

[shut summit]

[pallid quiver]

Have you tried investing in mind control technology to subtly usurp the guild and leadership positions, giving you a shadow position of absolute control?

[coarse ginkgo]

I tried letting them know I'm level 40 in Plunderstorm, GM wasn't impressed. Maybe some Easter candy will sweeten the deal.

Tried to get a DH going all season, but not much of an alt guy. Others kept taking loot for their 231312 alts.

476 ilvl not high enough but tanks get gear last cause it doesn't matter but don't have enough gear /s

I'm not bitter.

[crude sage]

Hey dudes, none of the wagio weak aura packages tracked things in the way that I wanted them to so I made a custom set up, it's quite simple but just thought I'd link it in case anyone else wanted to try it out https://wago.io/Y3_NmhruD

[coarse ginkgo]

Oh sorry at work, read your message wrong.

[uneven tapir]

How much crit is too much crit currently at 48% lol

[uneven mason]

101% effective vs bosses is the too much line

[uneven tapir]

what lol?

[warm plinth]

Sim it

[cerulean tusk]

For prot, 100% is not the cap, it is 200%, for 100% parry

[urban portal]

True

Is that how parry works

I thought 1% crit is like .9% parry

[warm plinth]

Parry DRs really hard

[verbal tangle]

is ravager taken for only dmg and/or cause of dmg and rage gain

[warm plinth]

Both

[urban portal]

Also nothing better to take

Not like you have anything better

[warm plinth]

Yeah that too

[waxen quarry]

i love replying to old ass messages but iirc crit has a "cap" at 30 something cause ur shit is guaranteed to crit and i guess vers is ass

[urban portal]

yeah 33%

[steep condor]

thanks 🙂

[grim pilot]

@warm plinth finally tanked a rise higher than 18 (only key below 20 I had tanked whole season) and tbf it was fucking chill

had 9 stacks of bleed in first area and my hp bar didnt move

[ionic fern]

Meanwhile your healer sweating like crazy.

But gratz.

[grim pilot]

akshually

he didnt have to heal me that much

only times I dropped a bit is when I saved spell block on next pack and there was a caster in africa

that nobody interrupted

even volley went off

[ionic fern]

I was refering to your 9 bleeds.

[grim pilot]

yeah as in they didnt hurt tbf

[ionic fern]

Not trying to undermine you, i just remember those being the only things that were hurting in the first platform outside of casts.

[steep condor]

just found this pika interview and want to play prot warrior again 🙂 https://youtu.be/DOA5UlXPm6Y?si=Zadh9jEoVrHe48Zq

[grim pilot]

yeah that's what I thought too

I honestly thought

I somehow evaded all of them

saw a debuff, thought (ah 2 stacks)

looked closer

9

[ionic fern]

Steps of becoming a good m+ player:
-Have a premade with similar skill level;
-Everyone having the same goal of trying to push higher keys;
-Everyone having more or less same time-schedule;

Profit.

But Pika is a great player/person, so i bet he spoke truth there.

[steep condor]

i pug and there is no getting away from that 🙂 'good' for me is 3k though and i feel this is easily achievable in pugs.

the time schedule point is the killer for me - love your list though. I think that is spot on.

[ionic fern]

Yeah, the time schedule is the worst one.

We've always stopped because of it as well.

[blazing condor]

there's not enough incentive to push high end m+ besides "it's fun"

so not super easy to set aside time in the schedule for it

[compact palm]

Title means ur pp is bigger

[fringe lava]

Are you trolling if you run Titanic Throw? 😄
I'm relatively new to tanking, and in some situations I want my throw to hit more than one target: Like WM, on the boss where you can't leave melee, but adds spawn and range won't come to me; the first boss intermission in TOTT, etc.
This is likely a skill issue on my part, where other tools could do the job, but atm I feel like the Sidearm's talent aint doing much? - Can you justify Titanic Throw and what would be the trade off?

[grim pilot]

nah its fine to take it

not a prefered choice usually

but you dont drop sidearm for it

rather bounding stride

sidearm is 2% damage

[fringe lava]

Aah good call, I'm likely not using Heroic Leap on CD to be fair

[grim pilot]

it's not even using it on cd, it's about the movement speed buff (at least in my case)

only case where the cdr might be handy is maybe dht 2nd boss/deios in rise but I dont know the exact timing of the frontals so maybe the cdr doesnt change anything

[fringe lava]

I will have to look for a Youtube video to see how others deal with this shit 😄
Kinda don't want to give up on Bounding. Kinda want to have something for ranged aggro.
Cheers bud 🙂

[hardy snow]

Just use standard throw and taunt, protitize targets that have higher prio for dps or that cant b3 moved and for example shoot their target. Also your dps players should know that if they have aggro, they should bring mob to you for easier aoe aggro. If they fk up, you cant play for them.

[blazing condor]

wait where's the skyhold april fools

or is that the point and its just very meta

i got fooled thinking there'd be one

[pallid quiver]

the april fools is that mwahi has placed a whoopie cushion inside every member of skyhold's place of residence

godspeed to all in their attempts to avoid humiliation

[pallid quiver]

That's the funniest as fuck fake leak I've seen in my life

[wet pine]

I wish TWW came out that early

[blazing condor]

how to take a screenshot

oops this isnt google

[hazy bronze]

You take a snapshot of your screen with your phone wdym

[grizzled nova]

yeah backseating m+ for a completely unproven system that'll happen

posted by someone hardstuck in 19s that complains about how hard it is to pug

[grim pilot]

I'm happy for u

or sad

I aint reading all that

[torn gulch]

that's a 13 weeks season 4 which kinda tracks

season 4 will most likely go until somewhere in august where prepatch comes in

season 4 will not take longer than 15-16 weeks max

and xpac in september

with the 20 years anyversary stuff coming with 11.0.5 in mid november

[median tulip]

Is this real or another AFJ?

[warm plinth]

Real

[pallid quiver]

you're real

gottem

[median tulip]

No, I'm a figment of your diseased imagination.

[hardy snow]

real, they already did patch notes for april fool

[pallid quiver]

Yes, I know YOU are, but Ghash is real

[final spoke]

When tanking, how much damage in % is the revenge doin?

[grizzled nova]

Very little

[pallid quiver]

Particularly if you have S3 tier set, you don't press it particularly often, so it shouldn't be one of your higher damage abilities

[ionic fern]

This was in Fall.

And that was on the 2nd boss in Raid.

[brittle owl]

[strong forum]

That's a name that hasn't been seen in a while

[blazing condor]

[ionic fern]

[jagged pier]

[warm plinth]

[dusky canopy]

[blazing condor]

Member when revenj didnt hit like noodle

I member

[ionic fern]

I member when we had more messages than 5 per day on this channel.

Dead spec.

[waxen frigate]

I can fix that if you’d like

[ionic fern]

I have a strong feeling,that it will end with me banning you.

[waxen frigate]

I never break any rules

[blazing condor]

Dead game

[merry sluice]

I’ve seen deader specs

[fringe lava]

I think Ravager should interrupt all targets struck by it.
There ain't no way VDH have two sigil of silence and this not being a thing 😂

Warrior should also have an Empowering Shout with some kind of bloodlust effect.

[median tulip]

Dead Season TBH

[median tulip]

Ravager should have a talent that sucks enemies into the centre of it.

[ionic fern]

Give me back Aftershock

And i'm happy

Just replace one Shockwave sub-talents with it

[fringe lava]

Yea, also acceptable. I like the interrupt part for that one odd caster at range no one seems to bother interrupting. But the sucky in bit is kinda like a sigil of chains?

[fringe lava]

What was that?

[jagged pier]

just give me a fun spec to play

[ionic fern]

Nightfae ability last expansion. Dealt damage and left an area on the ground that kept knocking enemies in it down.

[median tulip]

I never played NF in SL

I was Venthyr Arms for S1, then Kyrian Protection S2, and Banner S3&4

[dusky canopy]

Yogi Mia

[mellow bridge]

this

prot is just too braindead right now

[rigid edge]

You guys think Prot would benefit from a rework?

[jagged pier]

no it doesnt need a rework

they just need to not make it brain dead

[rigid edge]

I see, got any examples of what they could change? Just curious

[little ermine]

i'd love to have the necrolord banner back in some form :p

[jagged pier]

not giving us 100% shield block for free for a start

making something thats achieveable but u have to think about

which is what it used to be

thats all i want banner was boring by the end

[dusky canopy]

Ooo

Don’t let nom read that

[jagged pier]

i literally say it all the time

[hardy snow]

we dont need rework, we just need banner and execute to be useful

[jagged pier]

its my opinion

[dusky canopy]

I joke

[little ermine]

i still don't get why exec is not like fury exec

[jagged pier]

because it would be too good

same as fury ww

things btw we asked for since SLs when we got them back

[dusky canopy]

100% block should be obtainable but should require using the charges properly instead of passively gaining block from random buttons

[jagged pier]

^^

[little ermine]

imagine if we get ww cleave lke fury, and it works on those big shield slam crits :p

[jagged pier]

hence why we dont

[hardy snow]

or from properly using SS procs

[little ermine]

I have some many ideas to make tanks in general stupid broken

[dusky canopy]

Properly using SS procs

Like we ain’t mashing that button with forehead

[hardy snow]

you would be surprised how lot of people miss that and have low ss cpm :p

[dusky canopy]

Oh I know I look at the log reviews a lot

When you’re doing 23-25cpm and then you see a log doing 11

[little ermine]

ouch

that level of cpm is just for my SS and TC casts

[dusky canopy]

I’ll admit idk what it’s like this season could be lower

I’ve been only playing dps this season

1 key as Prot I think

[jagged pier]

no one is playing the spec

[dusky canopy]

After I looted gholak

[hardy snow]

btw. are you guys using your first two tokens in s4 for new gholak? 😄

[rigid edge]

I am +

[dusky canopy]

Using mine on whispering icon unless nerfs

[hardy snow]

they already posted some nerfs for Icon

[dusky canopy]

It’s still bis as of this morning sims

Might have to re check

Well

For arms

Anyway

[little ermine]

is it bis on it's own, or with others having it equipped ?

[dusky canopy]

With others

Stats are huge in late seasons because we have so much

[little ermine]

yeah, but maybe i'll wait for others to have it equipped before getting it

gholak / augury are my firsts choices in my mind right now, but i'll wait for the sims and such

[hardy snow]

well, item gives you alot of stats, but you already have alot of them, so % gain of stat doesnt change much

[jagged pier]

u never just spend your dinar straight away

[dusky canopy]

I waited until I got the 2nd one in fated before I spent

Incase I looted what I wanted natty

[hardy snow]

im not gonna get new mythic gholak for a while, and it will be bis until nerfs, but those can come any day, or may not come at all, and it looks like there will be more tokens than just 3 items as it was in SL

[little ermine]

it might be 6 tokens

(well 12 thingys to buy stuff, but it costs two so^^)

[dusky canopy]

I wonder if they’ll full send and let us buy loot like every other week or something

[hardy snow]

there are tons of tmogs to buy for same currency, even Blizz isnt that stupid, to make you lose power item to get tmog

[dusky canopy]

Would be nice for collectors

But doubtful

[waxen frigate]

Icon was way over budget

But idk how much it’s nerfed

[hardy snow]

45% on bonus given to allies

[warm plinth]

The stat on it was nerfed (fixed) as well, though not mentioned.

It was scaling the secondaries at the same rate as the main stat.

[torn gulch]

there is a pretty good chance it will be 12 bullions

and i have a feeling the method of aquisition will be 1 a week per raid clear on any difficulty

[cerulean tusk]

Please no, I don't want to do 3 raids a week

On every alt

[astral thorn]

eww

[torn gulch]

1 a week

you only need to clear once

a week

[cerulean tusk]

Can we do a kill a boss, instead?

[torn gulch]

like last time? it will have to be a bullion per like 8 bosses

[cerulean tusk]

What about, 1 per boss

[torn gulch]

that's not happening

[cerulean tusk]

Why not? Would make ppl happy and done with the season faster, of the few who will play

[torn gulch]

because blizzard will never do something like that

that will give you over 100 bullions in a season

[cerulean tusk]

And that is a problem how?

[torn gulch]

they consider it a problem

historically

but i might be wrong

we'll see

[cerulean tusk]

Don't fear, if bluzz thought it could be fun but not 'balanced', it is chalked up as a 'you think you do but you don't' case.
Fun detected. Is their law of action.

[torn gulch]

i'll give an example why i believe 1 per boss will not happen
let's take week 1 we have a 8 boss raid so 8 bullions that is already 4 very strong items in week 1
dinar system is supposed to be generous but not that generous

[fallow nova]

It's fated season. They should take the "fuck it, we ball" approach so we can just turbo four different toons in no time and just party until TWW

[cerulean tusk]

^ this guy gets it

[uneven tapir]

This trinket really that bad?

@cerulean tusk or anyone has suggestions ?

[cerulean tusk]

Sup? Cant see anything but pixels on that screenshot. Use shift+windowsbutton+s and mark what you want to screenshot, paste in here

[uneven tapir]

Like this?

[cerulean tusk]

Oh man, never mind

[uneven tapir]

Sorry lol 😆

[cerulean tusk]

Lets see, that trinky is pretty pointless if you ask me - as you will use Aug and stuff

Maybe take the mythic helm or stuff, if you dont already have it

[uneven tapir]

I have a crafted 486 shield. I can either take shield and 4/4 it or trinket lmao

Such a shit vault

[cerulean tusk]

Mythic shield is the way to go, as shieldblock value is king '-*

If you get the gnarlroot shield at a later date, you didnt really lose much

[torn gulch]

shield 100% if you do not have mythic shield

[uneven tapir]

I do have raid finder trinkets. From fyrakk the dps one and the tank one

And I'm still tanking 22s no issue

@torn gulch

[torn gulch]

you mean 476 augury and rageheart?

[uneven tapir]

Yes

[torn gulch]

those are miles better

than the sac

[uneven tapir]

Kk

[torn gulch]

even on lfr

i play with lfr rageheart in 26's

for prot warriors you have like 3 trinkets thispatch really

augury rageheart and cheat death for very high keys

might be others that are decent but they won't beat these 3

[cerulean tusk]

At what level does prot warr need CDT?

[uneven tapir]

Perfect

Thank you!

[torn gulch]

we're talking very high keys

[cerulean tusk]

30s?

[torn gulch]

around there

title keys and higher

[cerulean tusk]

Aight, sounds fair, guess bolts coming through could knock ya out

[torn gulch]

there are some things in very high keys that can topple us so having the cheat death trinket helps

[cerulean tusk]

Gnarlroot crush :v

[torn gulch]

that is one of them but tbh that can be done without the trinket you need to always leap out of the breath and focus defensives on crush only
you have demo shout+spell reflect up for each crush and then alternate rageheart, shield wall and last stand in between each of them

[cerulean tusk]

CDT is normally just a safety tool, if it is needed as a CD I am unsure. As we talking to cower 1 rotation in a fight. Though if TJS is just as aweful to us, we might need it there

[torn gulch]

you use cheat death in very high keys a safety tool because a full wipe because of a tank death will mean in most cases key done

and you'll want to prevent that as much as you can

[cerulean tusk]

Sure, I wont disagree on the effect of a CDT. Just that it ideally wont be used at all, and if that is the case - then the most efficent play would not to have one at all.

As such one could argue for the key being easier to complete, with the bonus versa from ember or more dam from trinkies.

[torn gulch]

ideally yes and you have sense's case where he plays without cheat in 29's

but it has it's uses

[cerulean tusk]

I haven't a clue what is meta, if warrior is risky enough at a high level. I can see CDT being really solid. Then you weight the chance of death vs potential gains.

... lets be honest here tho, if you minmax to that point, you dont play warrior

[strong forum]

Cdt?

[cerulean tusk]

Cheat Death Trinky in context

[strong forum]

Ah

Depends on you, honestly

I've ran it in 28/29s and they've all been a waste to run the trinket

Didn't run it in atal tho cuz lmao

That's for sure trolling

[cerulean tusk]

Question then is, if the risk has been high enough till it was worth, even if it didnt proc

[strong forum]

Nah

Keys this season are a joke with dps requirements

You will never run into the situation of "damn I wish the tank had done 20k more dps"

To time the key

You'll never run a clean key and deplete on time

You just won't

Every deplete happens for a reason

And it ain't dps

For my own ego it sucks to have run cheat death and then not need it

[cerulean tusk]

Wouldn't it better to just play ember, to soften the overall risk, instead of spike-risk?

[strong forum]

What is 1.7% more damage reduction gonna do

"soften risk"

This mistake will overkill me by 1.58million instead of 1.6million

[cerulean tusk]

So only thing that can kill you are the spikes, got ya

[strong forum]

Only thing that kills you is mistakes

[torn gulch]

i wrote higher
you use cheat death in very high keys a safety tool because a full wipe because of a tank death will mean in most cases key done

[strong forum]

If you play well and don't make mistakes on your end, you wont die

[torn gulch]

yes but sometimes things happen

[strong forum]

Not responding to you maciu

[cerulean tusk]

Homo, read up, Nome is kinda arguing the same point

Nome is arguing that the gain vs risk is not worth it, and that is a fair takeaway. In a world where DPS is not the issue to complete a key

Then we had a side discussion of, at what point does CDT not proccing, becoming a reason bring another trinky.

Then it was a question of what gains would be worth the risk taken.

[strong forum]

For me personally it's just an ego thing

Cba relying on training wheels

All cheat deaths are bad for the game

[cerulean tusk]

I think BDK purgatory is necessary, to allow BDK to play the risky side of that gameplay

[strong forum]

Design issue

Bdk shouldn't be designed to be so insanely prone to get 1shot

[dusky canopy]

I have to agree with nom cheat deaths shouldn’t exist

[strong forum]

The only good cheat death is ardent defender

Cuz you gotta pre-use it

And it doesn't heal you to full hp

[dusky canopy]

We should not have rely on a cheat death saving us from one shots

[cerulean tusk]

We dont?

[dusky canopy]

All damage should be predictable and we should be able to plan accordingly to survive it

[strong forum]

All dmg is predictable

[dusky canopy]

Witch now it mostly is

[strong forum]

The only time dmg isn't predictable is when you play a class that relies on dodge/parry in heavy load situations to survive

Aka vdh/bdk

[cerulean tusk]

BDK is just in the situation where you want to find that balance of damage taken, vs death. Where purg gives you some room to play within it - to find that line.

[dusky canopy]

Right

[strong forum]

Because their natural mitigation isn't strong enough

So they "rely" in some forms to mitigate X tankbuster via parry

But that's another issue in itself

In throne

With those huge phys tankbusters

[dusky canopy]

Rogues and mages shouldn’t have cheat

[cerulean tusk]

Fair, but that is just how BDK is designed. And I argue it is a unique twist on the tank formula

[dusky canopy]

[strong forum]

Correct

[dusky canopy]

All tanks play fairly similar really

[strong forum]

I'll die on this hill that cheat death mechanics in any game are bad

[cerulean tusk]

I will surivive on my hill with purgatory

[strong forum]

And AFAIK, it's primarily just blizz games that have them?

Atleast in multiplayers

[dusky canopy]

I can’t think of any others

[strong forum]

But that could just be me being ignorant

[dusky canopy]

So yeah makes sense

[cerulean tusk]

It being unique to blizz, doesnt make it bad tho

[dusky canopy]

I’m bandwagonning on the “remove defensive requirements”

[strong forum]

No but it hints at it not being a popular concept

And yeah kinda brewjj

[dusky canopy]

Tanks can have lots of defensive tools

But not dps imo

[strong forum]

Current wow is very "use your defensives or die"

I wish more mechanics just did group wide rot dmg

Instead of just outright 1shots

[dusky canopy]

Totally

[strong forum]

Like don't make 300 mechanics that have to be stopped

[dusky canopy]

Healing felt better too when it was like that imo

[strong forum]

And instead make more unavoidable but heal able mechanics

[dusky canopy]

I refuse to heal now

[strong forum]

Like the dragons in fall

Are perfect

[dusky canopy]

Feels awful in its current state (healing*)

[strong forum]

Gimme that triple pull + Lust

I'll fucking heal that shit

But 3rd boss brh?

[cerulean tusk]

Well, making RoT dam the main factor, I only support - as it will buff Fury

[strong forum]

Cba

Yeah but like healing is very 1dimensional

Make sure people are 100% for the hit

[dusky canopy]

3rd boss brh is a snooze fest from what my healers tell me

[strong forum]

And then pray they have enough defensives to rotate

[dusky canopy]

lol

True?

[strong forum]

There's nothing to heal

Just be full hp and pray you get enough cds

Then you have like 20seconds to top the group again

Dht same thing

Doti first boss, same thing, 2nd boss is a bit going on

3rd boss again, cd uses for the orb transfer

Otherwise 1shot

Last boss, cd uses otherwise 1shot

Rise? Cd uses otherwise 1shot from dispel
Dragons are fun but also very 1shotty if you go high enough

[dusky canopy]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonflight-season-4-release-date-april-23rd-338428

[strong forum]

That's earlier than expected

1 week earlier to be exact

[dusky canopy]

Yeah that’s what they say for sure lol

[hardy snow]

even two weeks, im surprised they shorten "standard" season, just to make additional refurbished season longer

[strong forum]

Yeah...

[dusky canopy]

3 weeks to get CE..

Weve seen p3 once

Theirs hope

[strong forum]

Only need to see p3 once

If you get to p3 with everyone alive the boss is dead

Assuming you don't yolo your seeds and positioning

[warm plinth]

@pallid quiver so close, yet so far

[dusky canopy]

One week off

Damn

[pallid quiver]

Should've remembered your windex smh

[ionic nimbus]

What trinkets are u gonna play next season guys? Rageheart and Beacon sounds lit

[waxen frigate]

Beacon makes me want to die

[ionic nimbus]

Boon will make u die, but its fun 😄

[strong forum]

Grieftorch/anvil/signet

As for tank trinkets it's tree-mouth splinter/ward/rageheart

Boon is useless padding

[ionic nimbus]

yeah but for boostingruns its just fun

[strong forum]

I rather boost raid

Than 20s

[ionic nimbus]

forgot about the grieftorch .. yeah grief/rageheart sounds fun

[strong forum]

If you want a strong defensive trinket tree-mouth is miles better

Rageheart is a decent middle-ground between dmg and tank trinket

[ionic nimbus]

treemouth will be farmed too .. brh is easy to farm

[strong forum]

And ward will outright be broken for push keys

Since it's literally a mainstat leaf

1min cd absorb trinket

[ionic nimbus]

sounds pretty good, i mean m+ trinkets can be farmed as always

raid trinkets are things for coins i guess

[strong forum]

Ward is from neltharion, but yeah tree-mouth is going to be the m+ grind of choice

Haven't had a chance to look at reworked granyths tho

Or reworked resonator

[ionic nimbus]

yeah u r right, thought ward would be one of the reworked ones ..

[waxen frigate]

It’s like a nerfed BSS

Resonator is bad

[strong forum]

Good

[waxen frigate]

It got some minor changes

[strong forum]

That takes care of that

[waxen frigate]

Idk if scale > treemouth tho

Depends on scaling (no pun intended)

Also it’s a 2min

[strong forum]

Eww

[waxen frigate]

But otherwise is near identical to BSS

[strong forum]

So it's bad

Got it

[waxen frigate]

it’s an absorb with a little dam

But longer CD

[strong forum]

Yeah so tree-mouth still turbo

[waxen frigate]

rageheart probably still bis absorb trink

[strong forum]

Cuz partial absorb+mainstat

[waxen frigate]

Maybe? Idk

[strong forum]

Partial absorbs are broken

[waxen frigate]

I haven’t looked into the scaling

At all

I didn’t like the self boo boo of treemouth tho

[strong forum]

50% of the self dmg gets already directed into the shield

So it's way less

[waxen frigate]

I know

And as brew I staggered the rest

Didn’t stop me from yeeting myself with it once or twice

[strong forum]

Skill issue

Rageheart does the same btw

[waxen frigate]

[strong forum]

But way more self dmg

[waxen frigate]

Not up front though

[strong forum]

No, but it can hurt alot more

If the absorb gets yoinked quickly

[waxen frigate]

Ya but it’s a fat fucking absorb

[strong forum]

So is tree-mouth

[waxen frigate]

Maybe I’m just brew minded

But treemouth’s was never much more than my HP, rageheart is like 1.3x HP

[strong forum]

Tree-mouth was like a what 800k absorb at 441?

Yeah but partial absorb

[ionic fern]

Tree is also a 1m, no?

• main stat?

[strong forum]

So it's 2x as effective

[waxen frigate]

90s

[strong forum]

Partial absorbs >>> full absorb

[waxen frigate]

I’m not sure that number checks out

[strong forum]

Kinda does

[waxen frigate]

How

[strong forum]

Cuz your other mitigations work whilst the absorb is up

There is no priority issue

Its all at the same time

With full absorb trinkets the trinket takes prio over other shields

Whereas for pwar with 2x 50% absorbs

Both IP and tree-mouth work with each other

Making both absorbs last longer

• using your own health as another resource

[waxen frigate]

Is that just a pwarr thing

[strong forum]

No

[waxen frigate]

Since IP

[strong forum]

Partial absorbs are just better

For every tank

[waxen frigate]

Well like I get that other shit works

I’m just dubious about “2x”

[strong forum]

Well the 2x is tree-mouth specific

Cuz it's 50%

[ionic nimbus]

I mean its factor 1 + mitigation while fullabsorb is just factor 1?

[waxen frigate]

Idk

I’m not gonna say I don’t believe you

But I really don’t see how you’re getting “2x better”

[strong forum]

I don't know the exact formula shit

By 2x I mean effectively

The say 1mil shield from tree-mouth

Doesn't just absorb 1mil

It stretches over 2mil dmg

Turning those 2mil dmg into non-threatening dmg

[waxen frigate]

Are there not niche scenarios where that 50% would potentially result in a death

Compared to a full absorb taking more up front

[humble schooner]

yes,

[strong forum]

Only if you're low hp

[waxen frigate]

As in a tankbuster rather than an overall dtps/m+ melees

[strong forum]

And have nothing else going on

[waxen frigate]

Ya so I don’t think it’s fair to say it’s just flat better

They have different uses

One is just more broadly useful

[strong forum]

As a planned mitigation tool

Partial absorbs are better

[humble schooner]

just depends on what incoming damage is, small mobs etc partial absorb is good, big hits, full absorb is better

[strong forum]

As emergency tool, full absorb is better

[humble schooner]

but either way the total absorb amount is the same

[waxen frigate]

Or if you’re just stretched really thin

[strong forum]

Doesny matter for big hits

If it's a 2mil hit

Both trinkets do the same

[waxen frigate]

Well no

Well maybe

[strong forum]

Yes

It's ignore pain

But trinket

[waxen frigate]

Depends on the actual hp in the context

[strong forum]

1mil 50% partial absorb vs 1mil full absorb

Vs a 2mil hit

Is the exact same outcome

[waxen frigate]

It’s 500k vs 1mil

[strong forum]

?

Sir

You are forgetting to math

[waxen frigate]

Wait

Nvm

I’m legit just trying to remember how the trinket works

Lmao

[strong forum]

The exact same way as ignore pain does

[waxen frigate]

It’s 50% of damage taken is sent to absorb right

And then 50% just passes it

Onto your other mit

[strong forum]

50% mitigation until that 50% is equal or higher than the absorb

[waxen frigate]

Ya ok so

I guess in those specific numbers yea

But those same absorbs vs a 1mil hit are different

Are they Not?

[strong forum]

If it's a 500k hit, 250k go into trinket, 250k go into your mitigation, aka 125k into IP, so you're left with 125k dmg taken

You are left with 750k trinket

And say another 375k IP

[waxen frigate]

Ya but if you’re at 100k HP rip

[strong forum]

If you have full absorb, you're left with 500k trinket and 500k IP

Cuz IP ain't gonna work

But you lost half your trinket

[waxen frigate]

Ya that makes sense given IP has a cap

How often are you even at cap now

I remember in shadowlands it was like a meme

And then I just stopped caring what it was ever at

[strong forum]

Same as its always been

You don't look at it

[waxen frigate]

Ya but like

[strong forum]

Until you need to make sure it's up

[waxen frigate]

Is 500k IP realistic to have rn

Is I guess what I’m saying

[strong forum]

Yes

[waxen frigate]

Ah kk

[strong forum]

Next patch

It is

Rn you get to like 350k?

[waxen frigate]

Ya I legit have no clue how IP scales or caps

[strong forum]

400k

30% max hp

[waxen frigate]

I just press it as rage dump

Because I barely play prot lmao

Ya 400k sounds right then

500-550 next patch? Idk

Haven’t looked at numbers

[strong forum]

Well we get +40 ilvl

[waxen frigate]

Ye

[strong forum]

So it'll be like 600k

[waxen frigate]

Gotcha

Wasn’t sure if it would go up to 1.8mil ish

For HP

[strong forum]

1ilvl = ~1%

Same goes for dmg output

[waxen frigate]

Well that’s a little more variable but ye

Surely no cursed scaling in fated

[strong forum]

Well

I'm talking ilvl

Not tierset/trinket/tuning stuff

Just raw ilvl

Raw 1ilvl gain in stats is usually ~1% gain both dmg and hp

[chilly brook]

kinda shitty that blizz is dropping the nerfs and then saying "cool you have 3 weeks"

[strong forum]

Bit early for s4

They're cutting S3 short

For no reason

[chilly brook]

shoulda dropped these a couple weeks ago if that was the plan

[chilly brook]

real

[strong forum]

We're barely mid 2nd rotation

[urban bane]

word. feelin a bit squeezed as we're progging on fyrakk

[chilly brook]

I wouldn't necessarily care so much if they literally didn't have two end bosses back to back

[urban bane]

and still fewer fyrakk kills than other tiers iirc

[chilly brook]

literally about half

[strong forum]

900 fyrakk guilds

Vs 1700 in previous tiers

[urban bane]

[chilly brook]

T Swift into Fyrakk is brutal from a tuning stand point

[strong forum]

Current raid is literally 2x harder than vault and aberrus

The difficulty curve is hilarious too

You get 1-7 being quite easy

And then BAM

[chilly brook]

I haven't regretted spending time progging T Swift, like the fight isn't terrible it's actually good but the difficulty is ridiculously high for a penultimate boss

[strong forum]

800% difficulty increase

[urban bane]

it is like hello kitty island adventure then dark souls hidden boss

[chilly brook]

Pretty sure we don't get CE this tier, we're close on T Swift but assuming we kill him this week that only gives us 2 full raid nights on Fyrakk

14% wipes last week

[urban bane]

Kill imminent, I believe

[chilly brook]

Well more like two weeks ago since we didn't raid on Sunday since Easter lol

[jagged pier]

if the patch was until may u would seem the same amount of fyrak kills ish i dont think that nerf is enough to get another 600 over the line

they usually like around 1500 guilds to kill the last boss

[chilly brook]

they're definitely not getting that lol

[jagged pier]

yer they some times dont

those nerfs should have come in maybe a week or 2 ago

[chilly brook]

Good tier regardless imo

[jagged pier]

but it is what it is