protection

[torn gulch]

i was already 99% sure gholak wins

[strong forum]

but gholak shits on both

[torn gulch]

but i wanted to see bu how much

by*

[strong forum]

like you basically want all the stuff from amirdrassil

except grieftorch from vault aswell

[torn gulch]

i wonder if we'll have to craft the belt for diurna ring

[strong forum]

we dont

cuz gholak+rageheart

[lusty grotto]

and shadowflame patches

[torn gulch]

actually yea i'm dumb

[lusty grotto]

and anvil/signet

[torn gulch]

forgot shadowflame is still fire damage

[lusty grotto]

we literally fart fire now

[hardy snow]

and shadowflame embelishments

[lusty grotto]

dont even have to push

yeah thats what i said

[hardy snow]

Im still thinking which trinkets pick for raid. Probably Augury+Anvil, but increased lvl of rageheart is also interesting.

[strong forum]

signet+anvil/grieftorch

[lusty grotto]

^

rageheart is just a defensive option

its not an offensive pick anymore

[hardy snow]

signet sucks on short fights :v

[strong forum]

augury isnt even that good

my ursine vengeance does more dmg (if it wasnt bugged) on half of the fights

[lusty grotto]

rng :\

[strong forum]

correct

[torn gulch]

seems crafted gear is 3 ilvl lower than this season

[strong forum]

augury is insanely inconsistent

[torn gulch]

unless they sort that out

[strong forum]

just like shitstorm is

[warm plinth]

You're insanely inconsistent.

[strong forum]

also true

[lusty grotto]

🙀

[hardy snow]

tbh I felt more inconsistence from signet than from augur

[strong forum]

signet is also rppm

but its 3rppm+haste

augury is 1.5rppm+haste

so both have rng

but augury has way bigger swings

downside of signet is, it needs to ramp up

but once its ramped you go ham

augury is just pure rng

no consolation

also no mainstat

so if you get shit rng

you did -8% dmg

meanwhile signet/anvil/ursine

[lusty grotto]

what about keys trinkets? we have hooves/whelps/ (buffed magmammoth) /hoof?

[strong forum]

have mainstat

still shit

not even close to raid trinkets

[torn gulch]

all shit

[strong forum]

like not even turbo close

same as its been all xpac

get raid trinkets

fullstop

defensively you can get usable trinkets

but if you wanna do really well, get raid trinkets

[lusty grotto]

at least there's dinars, smh my fucking luck

[strong forum]

heroic is always puggable

and heroic raid trinkets

[lusty grotto]

yes

[strong forum]

are just infinitely better than any random m+ trinket

[lusty grotto]

as it was this season

[torn gulch]

plus dinar items go full upgrade anyway

[strong forum]

i was 488 with every trinket in the game from heroic before joining mythic raiding

[hardy snow]

I guess you will be able to get these new dinars on HC, and then just buy this new awakened track trinkets and upgrade them to max

[lusty grotto]

cant pug shit luck

[strong forum]

now i have 3 characters with full bis

[torn gulch]

normal or even lfr

[lusty grotto]

my only full bis is chipadin

[torn gulch]

for dinars

[lusty grotto]

and still not full bis

cause chipadin doesnt do mythic smoldy or fyrakk

which would be the only 2 things he needs

[strong forum]

i dont even want mythic augury anymore

gimme rageheart

that one ill actually use

[hardy snow]

Ive killed Tindral with signet from normal, and Fyrakk probably too

[lusty grotto]

eh

not worried about chipadin

fucking bullshit luck on that dumb ass pally

i swear i need to stop playing it so hopefully some of it rubs on my actual main

[hardy snow]

Well, you're punished for playing pala instead of warrior

deserved

[lusty grotto]

well ret pally is vibe and relax fun times

just when i wanna chill a bit

but you might have a point

either way i play my main brownie more than any of the alts

[hardy snow]

If you want to play dps, just go arms

[lusty grotto]

i am

i raid mythic as arms

[dusky canopy]

Ayoo

NIM

Sick rat brotha

[lusty grotto]

wat up brew

[dusky canopy]

I gotta get one

[lusty grotto]

cowrat!

a rat cowboy

so cowrat

[dusky canopy]

Ratboy

Arms freakin owns btw

[lusty grotto]

i love it

[dusky canopy]

Fury prison fml

[lusty grotto]

i tried fury a bit for initial smoldy prog but

went right back to arms

[hardy snow]

no new shield in Aprils trading post

[dusky canopy]

My Guilds officers think they need me as fury

They just havent seen arms potential

[pallid quiver]

Painful words to read for someone who got into heroic pugs for once.

Unfortunately, they were heroic raids I was allowed into

[pallid quiver]

they just want to protect you from pressing execute less

why did S1 tier set win for arms

[dusky canopy]

It’s always hard to get into pugs if you are behind exp wise

[pallid quiver]

I'm just behind ilvl wise

I cleared Heroic like, week 2 i think

then piked off mostly to play fight games

And now I just casuallyt see if I get into raid once a week abouts

normally I don't

When I do

hoo boy

[urban portal]

It sims the highest

That’s it

[lusty grotto]

GUYS

the curse is broken!!!

[warm plinth]

snap

why is it off-spec :sus:

[lusty grotto]

cause i raid as arms 😦

[warm plinth]

oh

lame

[lusty grotto]

(:

also

my ping spiked to 20k on that fyrakk, fucking weird

but everything else was okay

[warm plinth]

6 of my 8 toons are 480+ now Nim

[lusty grotto]

i dont get it

well, 155 ms is also a tad high tbh

[warm plinth]

My normal ping is like 75

[lusty grotto]

yeah 155 is high

but 12k to 20k is fucking obsene

idk what happened

[solar shadow]

i like the sound of Whirlwind how can i maximize DPS while playing WW Prot?

[lusty grotto]

make sure you say WOOSH really loud when you do it

[warm plinth]

play fury instead so you can press it without being dumb

[median tulip]

Congrats

[lusty grotto]

ty

[hardy snow]

GZ!

[lusty grotto]

[violet ginkgo]

For offspec too hahaha GG Nim.

[strong forum]

How many unholy dks

[lusty grotto]

2

my fps was fine though

but my ping spiked up higher than a giraffes ass

[pallid quiver]

Well, I've finally actually seen the leggo drop

unfortunately, it was not for me

[fickle ingot]

It’s nom’s birthday

Almost 30

Almost mummified

[lusty grotto]

still a babby

almost happy bday!

[merry sluice]

A conspiracy by Big Death Knight to dc you and deprive you from your leggo, way to stick it to the menace

[strong forum]

Question is

Wtf do I do on my birthday

[lusty grotto]

oh? i had leggo already though

[strong forum]

Aside from drowning in waiting mode

And overthinking

[pallid quiver]

Expand your horizons

Get into real fights

[lusty grotto]

hookers and blow

excuse me

just queue plunderstorm

[strong forum]

I have a raid tonight, which my trial hinges on

[lusty grotto]

(:

oh

[strong forum]

Sooooo

[pallid quiver]

Fight the guild officers

[lusty grotto]

in their face

you could make an article in wowhead looking back at prot warrior in the expansion and just copy paste the word paladin in

just a little chaos

[merry sluice]

oh it was ragehart, i just read fyr

uhhh

uhhh

i ca fix it

Big Healer trying to scam u outta ur Tank Trinket bc they think they need it to live their weekly +18

[lusty grotto]

nah

dont talk like that about my windfury provider

she da best

i gotta tank M Nymue tomorrow :\

[merry sluice]

I feel nym's pretty chill on the tank side of things tbh. BUt I tried it on vdh and palaidn, not warrior

[lusty grotto]

yeah its pretty simple on vdh

i cant fucking type tonight jesus

[pallid quiver]

My condolences on having to fight Nym at all

[lusty grotto]

spell block will be my friend

[pallid quiver]

Prove yourself to be the great Nim pronounced name

[merry sluice]

Kill nyume and you can become the new Nimue

[lusty grotto]

true

[opal flower]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=159660/servant-splitter?bonus=657:9367:5923:7981 versus https://www.wowhead.com/item=159632/adulation-enforcer in my vault. i guess its servant splitter, or not? (both max ilvl)

[blazing condor]

should be servant splitter

but you should sim it

[violet ginkgo]

poggies, tell us later after your prog is done and who knows you got more tips to handle the magic heavy fight like nymue

[cinder dirge]

D'you guys know if 489 serpent idol with leech proc is better than Ember (vers trinket) for +28 +29 keys and more ?
I've no clue how does the serpent idol perform in m+

[warm plinth]

Ember is pretty whatever for us. Idol would be better.

[cinder dirge]

thanks a lot mate

[oblique garnet]

Nymue only dangerous when you have the debuff from tank mechanic or you stand in beam

[hardy snow]

500 shield tmogs collected

[oak ivy]

Is there an updated WA to give a popup when something spell reflect/blockable is being casted

[warm plinth]

Not really. Spell reflect essentials exists but it's basically gonna tell you to reflect everything because 95% of casts are reflectable

[blazing condor]

the old S1 spell reflect WA is gonna work again

considering we got the same dungeons next season

i still have mine and it works when i do DF dungeons

[uneven mason]

Setup some custom platers to make cast bars of priority reflect hyper bright orange

[rigid edge]

Or make a custom WA, where you can add prio reflects

[echo egret]

Or you can just use the S1+S2 weakaura as an indicator that "a reflectable spell is cast at you, use your brain to decide if you want to reflect it or not".

[hardy snow]

use my what?

[gloomy vortex]

Is it just uldaman which would be good to have the dwarf racial next season? Can’t remember

[errant leaf]

no its good for bird boss in aa

[hardy snow]

and 2nd boss in ruby life pools

[warm plinth]

Yeah this was actually a down season for dwarf.

[lusty grotto]

nah its just a reclear but our 2nd tank is away

my guild is on smoldy prog, but chilling it out during spring break

[oak ivy]

do I keep my pips or try to get an ember of null

[lusty grotto]

neither of those 2 are good

[oak ivy]

[lusty grotto]

pips is fine

if you dont have rageheart/augury/signet/rezan

or ursine ig

[oak ivy]

I have none of those xd im late to the season and havent done much raiding

just trying to get up to par for S4 drop so I can be done week 2

[lusty grotto]

should be fine with pips

and rezan is farmable

cheat death too

aka prophetic stonescales

[oak ivy]

just got my prophetic last run

[lusty grotto]

kinda un-needed if youre doing vault keys only

but

its a slot fill

[oak ivy]

Im a pansy, i like the safety

[lusty grotto]

meh

nothing is gonna kill you on vault keys

and it will never proc

but again its a slot fill

[oak ivy]

what I heard is intentional suicide for haste proc

kidding

[lusty grotto]

get a rezan

[oak ivy]

copy

[waxen frigate]

Get a job tough guy

[sick sentinel]

I like augury rageheart for keys

[lusty grotto]

i have a job though

[dusky canopy]

489 rezan copium

Better prog trinket than signet imo

[lusty grotto]

i dont have a myth version 😢

goes without saying with my luck

[blazing condor]

you have bad luck?

[lusty grotto]

at least i finally got myth rageheart last night

[blazing condor]

yuge

myth aka 489?

or 496

[lusty grotto]

heroic

489

[blazing condor]

yeye

congrats

[lusty grotto]

[dusky canopy]

Dayum son!

Grats!

Jelous

[lusty tiger]

Gz!

[limpid estuary]

Do you guys think we are be better in high keys in s4?

[waxen frigate]

Compared to now probably since the dungeon pool will be less toxic in terms of stop requirements

[jagged pier]

vdh still gunna be op

ifs its less toxic just means they can cover more

[waxen frigate]

Agreed

[lusty grotto]

bear and prot pal too

[waxen frigate]

But I think less than the current gap

Especially with the nerfs removing several casts

[mellow bridge]

i like most dungeon changes

and then you go into nokhud

and undead area is even more cancer than before smile

[lusty grotto]

i never had issues with that area

[covert flower]

Yeah what it actually means is, you still bring VDH with all their stops talented and you swap aoe stops on your dps for throughput nodes

[waxen frigate]

There aren’t many stops that compete with throughput

That are actually meaningful

[covert flower]

shockwave is one

a lot of warriors weren't taking it anyways but

prot obv did but dps I'd seen a mixed bag on taking it and not taking it

but if the necessity drops then you'd just move it over into roar buff nodes or something

[waxen frigate]

That desyncs cooldowns though it’s not a particularly substantial gain

And that’s one class, which is the same class as Prot

So you probably weren’t wanting to stack them anyway with prot

[covert flower]

helps druids a bunch I think too

not feeling shitty about taking ursols/typhoon combo or incap roar

their class tree is turbo shit in the way nodes link together

[lusty grotto]

i mean not all trees can have giga utility like VDH

[torn gulch]

imagine being declined as a prot warrior ON PTR KEYS

[lusty grotto]

[torn gulch]

actual clinically insane

on like +10

[lusty grotto]

im farming declines right now in live

(:

feels good man

[blazing condor]

few wow players know this one simple trick

maximise your happiness NOW

blizzard HATES him

[lusty grotto]

well i wanted to push a bit, im not gonna play for like 2 weeks

im flying out tomorrow so

[waxen frigate]

Tbf a +10 is a +20

Unless ptr doesn’t have the key scaling

But still it’s a 20 lmao

[torn gulch]

it does

but still

[waxen frigate]

Ya point still stands

[torn gulch]

20's can be played with any spec

[waxen frigate]

Low ass key lvl

I’m not good at prot warrior and I 3 chested 20s at like 450 early tier

[torn gulch]

i want to play some +10 keys on ptr to test things

and i got declined kekw

then he took vdh

[lusty grotto]

would be nice if VDHs got astro fucked by bleeds

but wishing that would just fuck us

but at least we can be dwarves 😄

[warm plinth]

Vdh will be less effective next season anyway due to dungeon pool

Could see tank meta a lot closer

[lusty grotto]

i mean they will be equally valuable with their stops

big damage, lots of stops, etc

jesus fuck wednesday keys are fucking aids

3 chest AD into yazma

25, 3 chest

wipe

reset

reset

wipe

rough shit

[warm plinth]

They won't be, because enemies in most of the DF rotation don't cast dangerous shit at the same time

[lusty grotto]

yeah ig

its just casts on tank at least

[warm plinth]

They're not gonna be useless obviously; it's still stops

But it won't be as ridiculously powerful as it is with this season's dungeons

[strong forum]

no.

absolutely not

vdh is going to be more next season

not less

vdh can solo almost everything in algethar

rlp

nokhud

[lusty grotto]

my logic was that if they can keep control, the group has to do nothing

[strong forum]

azure vault

like vdh is going to be MUCH more oppressive next season

than current season

[lusty grotto]

the stops are huge now, but imagine when there are less dangerous casts

yeah

[torn gulch]

yea there are so many places in df dungeons where vdh shine

it seems we'll be able to get a 489 stonescales from farmable heroic doti next season or a chance to a 515 stonescale once a week or if we do hardmode to a 522 stonescale

if needed for big keys

[hardy snow]

there will be great push on next season, right?

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[lusty grotto]

im not sorry

oh hey its a random late goes offline message

[lament musk]

VDH stops are so so stupid

i'm surprised nothing's been done to nerf it

[lusty grotto]

the last thing blizzard always nerfs is "utility"

see SPs last season

[lament musk]

feels like their kit doesnt have a real weakness atm

[shut summit]

worst part of VDH is hearing about how you arent a VDH all the fuckin time

[lusty grotto]

im just kinda surprised they havent touched on sigil of flame damage

[shut summit]

"well with a vdh we can do this and that"

[strong forum]

real

[lament musk]

yep

[lusty grotto]

yea

[strong forum]

thats why i constantly

annoyingly

remind everyone

how broken block and spellblock is

whenever someone dies to something blockable or reflectable

[lusty grotto]

you know

[strong forum]

especially in waycrest

relentlessly remind VDHs

that pwar laughs at everything in that key

[lusty grotto]

i was kinda nervous about tanking M Nymue tonight for a reclear cause spring break, and that shit was easy as fuck

[strong forum]

yeah, its only the overlap when you have to tank with debuff active

[lusty grotto]

i think what got me nervous was one of our tanks saying ye good ole "magic damage"

[strong forum]

which is only once per phase

so you just pop spellblock trhere

and you are bing chilling

[lusty grotto]

oh yeah i got hefty chunked there

you know the one thing

that i always notice on my vdh

fucking morchie frontals

never hurt on warrior

ever

[strong forum]

play soulcrush

[lusty grotto]

i always play soulcrush since its a vault key alt

also fucking fall drakes chunk

[strong forum]

but also

the amount of people who still think morchie and tyr buster are magic

is too high

[torn gulch]

nerfing dh and pala utility would do wonders for tank balance next season
that's why it's not gonna happen

[lusty grotto]

like it took me by surprised when i did my first keys on it, i was like holy fuck im getting assclapped

[strong forum]

pally is too squishy

next season

you need to play like a legend on pally to survive the high keys

whilst doing subpar damage

[lusty grotto]

just be andy

(:

i actually havent watched andy lately, is he still sticking to pally?

[strong forum]

no

vdh is just too stupid

[lusty grotto]

i was surprised he stayed with it for that long

yeah

[strong forum]

cuz havoc was still a thing

but once the dreaded 3 weeks of dogshit affixes came

and speed stopped playing

he switched to ret

and eventually vdh

[lusty grotto]

i see

[lament musk]

how are guardians on ptr actually, it was s2 set that enabled their stupid stuff in keys wasnt it

[lusty grotto]

yea

[strong forum]

nah

bear gets weaker with next patch

cuz s3 tierset was stronger

[lament musk]

but vdh s3 is even more bonkers than guardian was in s2 anyway i guess

[strong forum]

nah like

[lusty grotto]

wdym nom

[strong forum]

it was more than tierset in s2

that made bear good

it was multiple things, mainly raze working for UFR

but s3 tierset for bear

is better than s2 tierset for bear

for high keys

[lusty grotto]

incarn raze spam with getting health every cast was kind of insane though

[strong forum]

so bear is actually getting nerfed

cuz "bear was meta s2, so clearly it was cuz of the tierset"

[lament musk]

vdh reigns supreme

[strong forum]

yup

like

theres not even competition next season

its going to be 94% VDH

then maybe 1 bear

2 pwars

[lusty grotto]

[strong forum]

and idk 1 pally 1 brew

if vdh doesnt get a nerf, its not even remote competition

[lament musk]

damn brew didnt get any time to shine this expansion

[torn gulch]

squishvegan

[lament musk]

everyone else did right

[strong forum]

ya

all in all a good expansion for tanks

[median tulip]

When's it our turn to be the opressive meta pick?

[strong forum]

no

just no

[torn gulch]

bfa classic

[strong forum]

i dont want to be meta

ever again

[lament musk]

early s1 was pretty close to that i guess

[lusty grotto]

bfa classic will be last patch though

not s2

[median tulip]

[lusty grotto]

so it wont be strictly warrior meta

i.e. corruption patch

[lament musk]

being actual meta and clearly overpowered sucks tbh, i hate it when i know nerfs are coming

[torn gulch]

we want to be good but not meta

[lament musk]

i still remember tos arms in legion

[torn gulch]

like second third tank

[median tulip]

Oh yeah. VDH with stupid HP and the beam of destruction based on their HP pool

Twilight Devastation, that's the thing

[strong forum]

sooooo exactly what we are right now?

[lusty grotto]

besides SP in s2 this exp, i dont think there's been a metapick that has been giga astro nerfed though

or am i misremembering

[strong forum]

nothing has been astro nerfed this xpac

[torn gulch]

a raid of blood dk almost cleared mythic nyalotha with TD and a certain neck essence stacking

[lusty grotto]

yeah ig, SP was still needed so

early this season it was kinda rough

[strong forum]

spriest was only "bad" for like a month in s3

[lusty grotto]

[median tulip]

The few I have seen have been pretty respectable DPS

[lusty grotto]

now?

SP is meta

[lament musk]

spriest is very good rn

[torn gulch]

is meta gonna be spriest/mage/x
if yes it's yikes times again

[lusty grotto]

but they got clapped with nerfs in s2, cause blizzard couldnt figure out mass dispel, soothe and mind control could invalidate half of the affix pool and dungeons

[lament musk]

saw a clip of sp doing 3m dps on the big left pull in AD, sustained nearly 2m

[strong forum]

yes

[lament musk]

thats kinda insane rn, plus their st is good

[torn gulch]

damn it's already legion time next patch

number wise

nevermind in next xpac

[strong forum]

wdym, reducing soulbound goliath in a 29 to 50% HP in 40 seconds is bad

[torn gulch]

numbers are getting yuuge

[lament musk]

and ye i expect to see mage sp meta again next season

[strong forum]

aug + fmage + spriest is totally not giga dps

[torn gulch]

meta is not real it can't hurt me

[strong forum]

not my RL doing 770k overall dps in dht as shadow

🙂

and 550k in atal

🙂

[torn gulch]

i will raise my shield in any circumstance

[strong forum]

+2in 31 atal

[lament musk]

s2 returns but now they also have vdh for infinite stops and 5% magic dam

[strong forum]

seen the post from publik on twitter?

[lament musk]

n

[strong forum]

https://x.com/PublikPriest/status/1772774586716660133?s=20

Publik (@PublikPriest) on X

Send this pull to your Shadow Priest friends and ask if they are excited for DF Season 4 without Mind Sear.

Twitter · Mar 26, 2024, 11:56 PM

[lament musk]

lmao

tbh the pull is mostly pad

[strong forum]

it is

but you can do that same pull

4 times

in algethar

with a vdh

[lament musk]

yup

[strong forum]

the amount of dmg shadow will unleash onto treeboss aswell

with shadowcrash

[lament musk]

pull all 3 packs at vexamus at the same time cause the 4 books will be permastopped anyway

[strong forum]

yup

[torn gulch]

i feel like a lot of peeps will see that vdh/mage/spriest/aug/x destroy everything and peace out like in season 2

[strong forum]

like imagine

vdh -> immo aura tikcing -> lashers pop on tree boss -> chains -> priest sends shadowcrash

its over dude

and they can repeat that for every lasher wave

[sharp night]

chains is pointless

[strong forum]

if you giga stack, it is

[sharp night]

if they can be grouped by chains

[lusty grotto]

[strong forum]

but you absolutely make it impossible

[sharp night]

the mobs would all be in range of shadow crash anyway

[strong forum]

to not have everything in that crash

idk exact crash range

the animation is tiny

so i cant say

[sharp night]

shadow crash radius

is literally

the same as chains radius

lol

[strong forum]

neat

[sharp night]

so if they can be grouped by chains, the priest is already hitting all of them with crash

it does nothing

[strong forum]

but its fun okay?!

force moving mobs will never not be fun

[torn gulch]

yea for 4 specs

what about the other 30+

[strong forum]

nothing better than ragdolling something or just nope stuff

[lament musk]

maybe chains to move the mobs OUT of shadow crash

[strong forum]

now we talkin

[lusty grotto]

[torn gulch]

i want to cope for vdh being nuked

but it's only cope

[sharp night]

also the first boss change in AV is kinda dumb

pwarr probably wrecks that dungeon

[strong forum]

it locks the tanks into vdh/pwar

[sharp night]

even dh kinda struggles

on high enough keys

[lament musk]

feel like they could remove double sigils and vdh would still be meta

[strong forum]

soulcrush go brrr

[sharp night]

high dot into frontal is rough even with 70% dr

[strong forum]

watch them

fix SR on it

and last boss

fucking watch them

wait

arms niche found

SR the infused strike

[torn gulch]

and prot gets wrecked as a result

[sharp night]

can't even leap out of the frontal

[torn gulch]

[lament musk]

prot would be massive on hoi last boss high key

[strong forum]

ya

[torn gulch]

yes you have more reflects now

because one phase right?

[lament musk]

ye only 1 intermission

[torn gulch]

might see some prot action on TGP HOI keys i'm coping

[lament musk]

im trying to cook a cooldown rotation to survive 2x reflects a phase as dps war

prolly only doable with rageheart on high keys

[strong forum]

huge cope

you see the first room of hoi?

you see the interesting thing called sigil of silence?

you see where im going?

[sharp night]

silence doesn't work on the relevant spells there

[lament musk]

vdh diff is insurmountable

[torn gulch]

[strong forum]

?

affected by silence?

[sharp night]

beam is unkickable

only stuns stop it

chains and misery don't work

[strong forum]

is that new?

[sharp night]

they're immune

it's always been that way

[strong forum]

im 98% sure

[sharp night]

knocks don't cancel it

[strong forum]

beam is kickable

[sharp night]

nop

[lament musk]

at the very least they deal a lot less dmg now

[sharp night]

was never kickable in s2

vdh literally has 1 stop for beams

and it's nova

[torn gulch]

beam was never kickable

[sharp night]

lol

[strong forum]

goes to show

[sharp night]

dh is like the most useless spec in hoi

[lament musk]

p sure they werent, only thing you kicked was the big aoe blast

[sharp night]

you literally can't stop anything relevant with chains/misery/silence

[strong forum]

how often i did hoi in s2

[lament musk]

and demo shouts

[strong forum]

idk chief

i saw arty pull 3 packs there

and he solo stopped it for like 40 seconds

and then did another 2-3 pack pull

and rinse repeated

[torn gulch]

the frog checkpoint and last boss changes+beam changes will make that place more palatable

some dragon changes will be cherry on top

now can we have some uldaman changes

[lament musk]

dragons are still very nasty yea

[torn gulch]

substantial ones

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/yPy4qRK.png

i took halls VERY

seriously in s2

as you can tell

its my favourite dungeon

[lament musk]

good changes so far tho for s4

[torn gulch]

third boss in uldaman cranks

so bad

[strong forum]

thats the bleed one ye?

[lament musk]

hoi must be by far the least liked dungeon in the s4 pool

[torn gulch]

yes

[strong forum]

arty loves hoi

cuz it was the only hps check boss on 3rd boss

[torn gulch]

fourth boss hurts so bad as well

[lament musk]

also they need to do something about the chompers in uld

[torn gulch]

from what i've seen

[lusty grotto]

fourth boss is reflect boss

so it hurts the party, not us

[strong forum]

you can only reflect so many

[torn gulch]

yes but if you are alive and the party isn't

it's over

[lusty grotto]

yeah i mean just reflect the nadoes on the start of intermission for a good time

slap an add and some pad 😄

[lament musk]

i noticed the call beasts cast in nokhud isnt kickable or stoppable anymore today btw

[torn gulch]

if uldaman gets decent changes this season might actually be decent

[torn gulch]

yep infinite dogs

[strong forum]

ya it was a late s1 change

that you cant stop it anymore

[lament musk]

just spawns 6 or so adds with quite a lot of health

very fun

[torn gulch]

padding

[strong forum]

free funnel

[torn gulch]

kekw

trash in area before third boss cranks

in NO

[strong forum]

it was fun to play in 5 tank

[torn gulch]

now i have to bring the hill packs down the hill because if the three birds come as well it's gg

[lusty grotto]

back to farming declines boys

i got like 2 hours left, just gonna farm

valdrakken laps wee

[lament musk]

oh yeah the birds arent frontals anymore and just do kickable aoe cast instead?

[torn gulch]

we used to farm oribos laps

[lament musk]

hello vdh

[strong forum]

yea

🙂

[torn gulch]

yep but when you have 5 in a pack

[strong forum]

j-j-just aoe silence

[torn gulch]

get out of here

[lusty grotto]

ik, not my first rodeo

[torn gulch]

have you guys seen that it might be possible we can get 12 dinars with an item costing 2?

[lusty grotto]

only breaks ive had in wow has been s2, s3 in SL basically

[torn gulch]

that will be giga

[lusty grotto]

since vanilla

[torn gulch]

at what range?

of keys?

[lusty grotto]

26 27

[torn gulch]

yea that's where i stopped as well

i was farming too many declines and last epoch came

[lusty grotto]

lets go, 1 moreee

[cerulean tusk]

So, if ya only get declined over and over. Time for a new approach?
Heard great things about networking and a thing called: "do your own key".

[lusty grotto]

indeed

its pretty great

until you nuke your 28 key down to a 24

cause people do AD perfectly until yazma

[strong forum]

yo nim wanna tank my key

quick eb29

quick in and out 1min adventure

[lusty grotto]

lolll

[lament musk]

eb29 will be very quick indeed

[cerulean tusk]

💕 do it

[lament musk]

love bolstering eb

[strong forum]

wdym afflicted bolstering tyr

what BETTER

COMBO CAN YOU THINK OF

[lament musk]

those dreadpetals have no business being eligible mobs for on death effects like bolster/sanguine/bursting

[cerulean tusk]

Just bring a Ret, handle flower dot and afflicted. Bonus, warrior won't die from their autos

Believe

[strong forum]

healer sweating hard on 2nd boss, meanwhile 2 afflicted

pray to god your dps dispel em

[lament musk]

nah healer job

[strong forum]

poison dispel totem

[cerulean tusk]

Bring two rets skip the arms warr

[strong forum]

nah

arms turbo shreds 2nd boss

[median tulip]

100% this. I can't believe that didn't get fixed.

[strong forum]

330k dps natty

ret wishes it was arms war on that boss

[lament musk]

yeah arms owns on that boss but doesnt own as much on mage boss

last boss scares me too tbh

[lusty grotto]

just taunt reflect 🙂

ez own

[cerulean tusk]

3rd? Just steal reflects

[strong forum]

you need reflect to live fire

[lament musk]

i just port out after tree boss and go fury tbh

[strong forum]

so you can only send reflect taunts on the ice+arcane ones

[lusty grotto]

NO, ONLY DAM

[cerulean tusk]

Ignore the pain ez

[lusty grotto]

hol up

[strong forum]

i port out after tree to talent into jugg +equip signet and rageheart

refuse fury

[lament musk]

works too

[strong forum]

embrace jugg

got my 496 rageheart today

[lament musk]

i just livelord with fury

oh nice

[cerulean tusk]

Gz on fire 🔥

[lusty grotto]

gz!!!

[strong forum]

also have 15% avoidance

which uh

helps

[lament musk]

i looted atal32 today, think the rogue also got it

gonna try on sunday

[strong forum]

i can technically go for 17% avoidance

[lament musk]

yo same as me

[cerulean tusk]

Prayers out for ya Crit. Warrior scoreboard need ya

[lament musk]

with my avoid 496 rageheart i have 27% avoid

[strong forum]

holyy

[lament musk]

eh

Typo

17

[strong forum]

ah

[cerulean tusk]

Oh

Disappointed

[strong forum]

but i dont wanna run the critmast ring from dht

[cerulean tusk]

Did they ever fix that we could go over 20% avo?

[strong forum]

yeah

since bfa

xdd

it was only in legion iirc

that you were capped to 20%

[cerulean tusk]

Nah, u could stack in SL

[lament musk]

think you still can go above 20 but it DRs pretty hard?

[strong forum]

ye all tertiaries do

it DRs after 10% already

[lament musk]

man im a tertlord atm

lemme find ss

[strong forum]

i can go to like 21% avoidance as prot

cuz avoidance gholak

[strong forum]

gadamn

[lament musk]

17% avoid if i use the rageheart

[strong forum]

this man got tertiares on all items

rate the fit tho

https://i.imgur.com/sSAd1vW.jpeg

[lament musk]

looks pretty unkillable to me

[cerulean tusk]

3/10

[strong forum]

funky no taste confirmed

[lament musk]

is that a staff

[strong forum]

no

polearm from eye of eternity

[lament musk]

ahh

[strong forum]

black ice

[cerulean tusk]

Ya ain't a nelf, 3 is high as it goes.

[lusty grotto]

gasp

[strong forum]

on a scale of 1 to 2 maybe

then yeah id agree

definitely a 3

[lusty grotto]

how dare you besmirch the good name of us dwarf

dwarves*

i cant english

[cerulean tusk]

I mean, come on, you are a low bar standard

[lament musk]

dwarf racial almost requirement as tank

bleed remove so busted

[strong forum]

ive established the dwarven dominance so much, that i made my GM pick a dwarf based campaign for friday

critcake needs the lore

[lament musk]

interesting

[strong forum]

i play dwarf everywhere

in every game

that has access to them

[lament musk]

i see

[strong forum]

its just a lucky coincidence that theyre also really useful in wow

[cerulean tusk]

I can respect the consistency of your choice

Though, it is a wrong one

[strong forum]

that being said

the earthen dwarves becoming playable in tww

weird choice

then we have 3 different flavours of dwarf

but are still 99% similar

should just be a customisation

[cerulean tusk]

I am just glad it ain't another elf

[strong forum]

and not a seperate thing

[cerulean tusk]

More humans would be neat. Or something I was hoping for... actual monsters

Ain't happening tho, more humanoids it is

Neurobians in their all six legged glory, could prove to be unique and prob with fun ingame fluff.

Give em a slow, resistance to slow or the like, a poison passive DMG amp, then something to help in the open world - like wall climbing.

I want my prot warr to skitter around, webbing up stuff. Cackling as I run up a wall

[grim pilot]

how do you guys highroll so much

i cant

best I got is 9% leech with 5% leech talent

[strong forum]

guildy of mine

got avoidance pips on war

avoidance signet on war

and today avoidance ashes (on his pally) all from vault

[grim pilot]

imagine

although

look what I found in my mailbox today

[strong forum]

but im happy with avoidance larodar ring, gloves and raals bibs from vault

[grim pilot]

well it was 470 pre catalyst but ye

[mortal dagger]

Go sleep crotcak or come plunder

[strong forum]

hero track

:dansgame:

[grim pilot]

I'll sim out of curiosity how much I'm losing but

for 30 tyra brh

I'll grab these

[strong forum]

ya

[grim pilot]

@strong forum

not worth it

[strong forum]

600 dps?

[grim pilot]

570

[strong forum]

Is not worth 5% surv increase on last boss?

[grim pilot]

0,3% of my st dps!!!

[strong forum]

Are you okay

[grim pilot]

not worth

that's too much

if it was 0,2% then maybe..

[median tulip]

😂

[grim pilot]

tho like at the very end they're gonna be more useful in p2 than in p1

it doesnt change my gameplay at all in p1

I still need to stance dance or have sr up

with ip ofc

[silk pine]

I wish u lovely morning guys 😄

[blazing condor]

[ionic fern]

Have a great morning.

[dusk sphinx]

Good morning guys

Soo i decided to give prot warrior a shot for S4, i'm guessing as tanks we don't use raidbots for sims right? just wondering if we're supposed to do something else for min/maxing

[ionic fern]

You can still use raidbots for simming for damage.

Your survivability comes from proper play.

Gear wise, just equip the highest ilvl and follow the stat priority of:
iLvl >>> Haste >> Vers=crit> Mastery

[dusk sphinx]

Ah cool, thought so!
Do we use MDT, Dslice or 5T for m+?
I wont be raiding to begin with

[ionic fern]

APL is not set up for Dungeon Slice.

I usually just sim for ST and 5t ~1m - 1.30 no buffs.

And then equip accordingly.

[dusk sphinx]

ooh thats interesting, gonna test it out and see whats what.

Thanks Mwahi!

[ionic fern]

[prime gull]

Hey,
can I lose aggro to a Boss if the second tank stands closer to the boss then me?
I have this Fyrakk log:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3TYQNtA8h2JgKdPn#fight=last&type=threat&target=49
In P1 I'm responsible for pulling the Boss from the left edge to the right. I use jump for faster movement from one edge to the other. Very often I lose aggro here. My tank partner says this is because I'm to far away from the boss and he stands to close. Is he right?

[silk pine]

he does 40k dps more than u probably he also over aggros you, never played the fight to probably someone else knows more

[lyric cape]

Aggro is only distanced based for ranged dps ( Any ranged class generates i believe 30% less aggro )

either your other tank deals more damage and overaggros you from damage. Or he taunts the boss back but thats unlikely

[silk pine]

u could probably use right before u jump taunt again if you struggle so much with aggro

[prime gull]

That was my thought too. Do you have any idea why my damage is so bad?

[prime gull]

Yeah good tip, should do this

[silk pine]

Didnt play this season maybe @ionic fern or @strong forum knows more about that.

[silk pine]

and use heroic throw(gives u a little bit more aggro) when u are not in meele range

[waxen frigate]

Looks like a lot of revenge spamming and not enough IP use contributing to fewer ss resets

And potentially not playing around outburst but I’m on mobile so cba looking at that

[ionic fern]

Just taunting will "Fixate" the boss to you for 3 seconds.
If you don't hit any abilities on him during that time and your co-tank does, then he will just go back to slapping your co-tank after the 3 second fixation window ends.

You generate additional threat in the 3 second window which helps you establish it for after when "Taunt" ends.

[lyric cape]

For Fyrakk one thing that can help is taunt during dream rend > herioc leap for taunt reset and distance > boss jumps taunt again > damage for aggro.

Otherwise tell your co tank to do less damage

[prime gull]

Playing around outburst means avoiding Thunder clap if I have the buff and consume it with SS? Currently I don't track this

[silk pine]

didnt know about that always thought taunt gives u extra aggro 😄

[prime gull]

Oh wow, good tip. Didn't know that heroic leap resets the taunt CD xD
Prot is my alt. Played it this season for the first time 🙂

[ionic fern]

3 second fixate;
Grants you the same amount of threat as the player who had threat previously;
Increases your threat generation for the same 3-second duration;

[lyric cape]

did this during our HC fyrakk. As soon as Dream rend is finished casting Fryakk will jump to you so make sure to face him so he doensn't hit you from behind

[silk pine]

Is the threat generation for the 3 Seconds really high? I think normal threat generation is around 650% vs normal dps.

[prime gull]

should I immediately run/jump if he casts dream rend? I thought the portal should face away from the raid / as near as possible to the edge.

[lyric cape]

How we did it. Co tank brings boss to one edge of the platform. When dream rend is casting i taunted and herioc leap to the other side. don't go to far so people can still get to the boss relatively fast

[hardy snow]

if you have such thing in log - it means its just agro due to dps issue

btw. why moving from left to righti is required on hc?

its enough to just move from fire pools under the tree and thats enough, but I see lots of people tryhards to move across whole platform

[waxen frigate]

Just the pug strat

[prime gull]

Don't know. Learnd it from a guide and since then we play it like this

[prime gull]

Do you have a clip from this "pug strat"?

[waxen frigate]

No

It sounds like what you guys are doing

The left to right thing

[pallid quiver]

Also, as a heads up, Nish was correct on overprioritizing sending outburst on TC instead of SS; you actually sent 12 on TC and 10 on SS, when you generally should have like a 3:1-ish ratio on average in favor of SS

[waxen frigate]

I am the Oracle

[pallid quiver]

Your revenge casts do seem slightly high for having S3 tier set, since you can press IP before SS to have a nigh guaranteed chance to reset TC and get a fervid proc, making you likely to get a SS reset off that, and so on

[prime gull]

Yes, I realy spam to often Revenge

[pallid quiver]

wow i actually don't have a log of me tanking fyrakk with 4 set

[warm plinth]

Multiplies threat gained during the window by 4x

[pallid quiver]

you multiply threat by 4x

gottem

[dusk sphinx]

are prot by any chance aiming for a soft cap verse count? or do we have a percentage we're aiming for to be the lowest?

[lusty tiger]

Haste > crit >= vers

Sim

[torn gulch]

no

we're doing title keys with as low as 7% vers so it does not matter

i was wondering are we using both vault rings next patch?

[plush tendon]

Eranog ring prob

the proc is just free damage

The broodkeeper ring.... not so sure; the shield is 200k with about a 2ppm

with a shitload of mastery

and, tbh, you probably wont even get it; mastery loving DPS are eyeing it and its not worth a dinar

[little ermine]

depends on how many dinars we get

i read it might be worth 6 slots (12 dinars)

[plush tendon]

you prob snag a gholaks first

[little ermine]

gholaks, augury

[plush tendon]

Icon right now is way overbudgeted

you also have boon

which is doing naughty things

[little ermine]

the stats proc from icon is nerfed no ?

[plush tendon]

its still way too strong

should be nerfed soon.... but ya know Blizzard

[little ermine]

yeah, we'll see the nerfs when half the player base have bought it

[plush tendon]

still, first choice for me is Gholaks; Duirna ring is ez enough to get from first boss

then shield/OP trinket

[little ermine]

there's the shield from early boss in amirdrassil too

[plush tendon]

true

wasnt sure of broodkeeper shield would be higher I level

but I think they normalized all Mythic loot with upgrades yea?

[little ermine]

weapon, both rings, both trinkets, and 1 last flex pick

[plush tendon]

I mean, there are a bunch of trinkets I want

Rageheart, All-Totem, Boon, Grieftorch, Augury

Icon if its needed for group dps

[little ermine]

i forgot about all totem, it was okay in keys

i don't like boon because of the root effect

[plush tendon]

its stonks, but risky

but its a perfect risk reward trinket

cause it slaps

[torn gulch]

shield might not be a dinar buy because you have shield at the beginning of every raid on easily accessible mythic bosses

[dusk sphinx]

Yikes, i only have 10% versa

[torn gulch]

unless you don't raid mythic

[torn gulch]

doesn't matter

[plush tendon]

yea, I wasnt sure if the broodkeeper shield would be 3 I levels more then everything else

like it was in S1

[dusk sphinx]

i mean, i currently have 27 haste, 26 crit, most likely need to rearrange some items etc. tho i'm currently only 450

[torn gulch]

all will be normalised to 528

[little ermine]

i think it might be

[torn gulch]

nope

[plush tendon]

so yea, Gholaks and Trinkets + Eggnog Ring

[little ermine]

the special drops from last bosses have 2 ranks more to upgrade than the other

[plush tendon]

those are the dinar targets

[torn gulch]

no shield is still 1/12

at 528 myth 4/4

[little ermine]

i was wrong

[torn gulch]

i am on ptr right now

[torn gulch]

they normalised stuff the 535 stuff is very rare gear

i'll go for gholak and rageheart after that i don't know

oh and lego upgrade

that's 6 bullions

[violet ginkgo]

well uh... if you get more source of that bullions maybe grab aug too

[torn gulch]

i'll play m+ and i don't really use aug in m+
we'll see if we get more than 6

[little ermine]

i'm not sure i'll go for the legendary upgrade

i don't play much as a dps in keys

the back from sarka might be tempting too

[torn gulch]

no stam

[little ermine]

i'll let the smarter TC math this out

[torn gulch]

unless you don;t care about that

[blazing condor]

the sark back is pretty doodoo for us

[limpid ruin]

This sounds suspiciously like you don’t understand my “dibs” call

[waxen frigate]

It’s pretty shit for most

The proc rate was bad iirc

[plush tendon]

Boon is mine

[warm plinth]

Good morning friendos

[covert flower]

boon makes you wanna pull like a psychopath when it's up

[warm plinth]

Uncapped damage will always feel spectacular

Had a friend use it on ptr yesterday and it did 7 mil damage on first pull of uldaman 10. There are a lot of trinkets that do that much for an entire dungeon

[grim pilot]

Ngl

I had a vdh test boon

In aa

And it wasnt too spectacular

[warm plinth]

Wat

[covert flower]

it outperforms everything in mass aoe no?

[warm plinth]

It's literally fully uncapped. It does the listed damage to every target.

It's insane.

[covert flower]

actually

it might be competitive even in smaller pulls

like 5-7 mobs would still have insane value

[grim pilot]

It did like 20% of his damage

In the pull

He went

1 pull on 3 min cd

I expected more tbf not saying its shit

[warm plinth]

Can you show me another trinket that would do 20% of your damage in mass aoe?

[covert flower]

Also it's a trinket that does the damage flat by itself rather than buffing your characters damage in some way

which lends itself better to pwar

[urban portal]

tanks in general yeah

now use it on a healer

[grim pilot]

It makes you incapable of moving tho which is ass

[blazing condor]

first pull around tree in AA with boon

is giga

but yeah you might get bonked