same (low) track drops
#protection
tribal wharf
but you get SLIGHTLY better gera
and if you or your team hates affixes, you dont have to turn it on
dusky canopy
This is the biggest thing yeah
Makes the feeling lazy this week bare minimum effort vault keys a bit easier
hard vessel
ret palas grapping aggro of mobs, is this normal or a skill issue of me?
strong forum
normal
a ret can pump like 8 million dmg in 1 global
they HAVE to hold back a bit
urban portal
but they usually have to setup a bit beforehand
unless they are walking into a pack with 3 HP and wake up
lusty tiger
lusty grotto
but they usually have to setup a bit beforehand
not really
wings into blades to judgment and execution sentence, instant agro
err final reck
not execution sentence, ive been playing ST too much
plus if they get a searing light proc, its game over
either way its tyr week, rets playing searing light are dumb
urban portal
Aren’t you supposed to build to 3 first then wings
lusty grotto
blades into judgment will give you all the holy power they need for that
on chipadin i literally wait
if they are mashing all their shit they are just stupid
and if they grab agro and dont insta bubble, they are even stupider
any ret that grabs agro that way, and its very easy to do so, i dont really feel bad about when they die
and trust me i speak from experience
as both a ret and a prot war
its especially tilting when youre doing a big ass first pull and, not just rets, but any dps just instantly pops cds without mobs being grouped up
NL, Fall and EB come to mind
as a ret i just wait, you'll do your group a huge solid if you pump when mobs are in place instead of hammering down at the first pack
lusty grotto
tott too, and any other with a huge first pull
urban portal
just waiting to group is more dps
lusty grotto
its a dps loss anyway if you just blast first pack instead of the entire thing
lusty grotto
just waiting to group is more dps
yea
tribal wharf
isnt there still forebearance?
which you get when you hit wings
that makes you do the 8 million dps
so then you cant bubble when you get aggro?
or be bubbled by another paladin
solution, bring back salvation blessing
/s off
dusky canopy
Paladin forebearance themselves in the opener!?
tribal wharf
is that not the way it works any more?
no forebearance?
like i could be stupid
but last i checked, throught out all of wow that was the thing with them
waxen frigate
isnt there still forebearance?
For 30sec and it’s irrelevant in most cases
Wings does not give forbearance anymore though
It’s only blessing of protection, blessing of spellwarding, lay on hands, and divine shield
Spellwarding is also only available in the prot tree and shares a cooldown with BoP
tribal wharf
isnt it also border line useless
should be given to holy first imo
gee, the healer who believes heavily in the light can stop an ally from taking magical damage, THAT seems thematic
feels like bop or freedom or something, something you only want to use on ally to help them
lusty grotto
which you get when you hit wings
you dont get forbearance on wings
only on bubble, bop, lay and i think spell warding
lusty grotto
yea back in my day it did
but that was a million years ago
and about 8 expansions ago
tribal wharf
i dont think you should be able to cast bop on yourself, since you have bubble
and both put the debuff
tribal wharf
im saying it should be external to other players only
lusty grotto
makes no difference
tribal wharf
so its not even possible, bop yourself
lusty grotto
unneeded
tribal wharf
when could just bubble and save bop for someone else who needs, just yogi rant
lusty grotto
i mean thats what you should do
if you don't do it that way, youre a bad player
and that's all there is to it
tribal wharf
its more the problem that i forget to to target the guy with zilean rewind BEFORE they die reliably
when screwing up bop
lusty grotto
shouldnt make changes to accomodate mistakes
tribal wharf
and then, maybe out of range, or dies, and then hit it and then bop self and then madge
so dont play pally cuz this
yes really
lusty grotto
🤷
tribal wharf
same exact shit happens in my doom and boomer fps but faster and in first person :S
target wrong shit with wrong weapon
don't do the X thing or forget about Y
take heaps of dmg, probably die a bunch,
fallow nova
I just make it a mouseover so I can drop it on their party frame
lusty grotto
right, all of mine are mouseovers
fallow nova
Honestly, it's almost worth to just activate the built-in mouseover setting in the client so you don't have to macro-ify everything.
fallow nova
But especially on Paladin. Doesn't matter the spec, I don't have time to be clicking a million things and changing targets just to cast support/healing spells. Mouseover makes it a cinch.
tribal wharf
honestly,
lusty grotto
click... clicking???
tribal wharf
this helps more than i can begin to explain
fallow nova
I've used it on my disc priest with no issues so far, but every other spec already had macros set up.
lusty grotto
ive had it on healers since it was implemented
probably since cataclysm
i cant live without mouseover macros basically
tribal wharf
fallow nova
Only thing I can see it being a problem with wanting to be casting into a specific debuffed enemy, then accidently sending into a mob that's nearby because that's just where your mouse was hovering
I can't see whatever that image is
lusty grotto
yeahhh i only mouseover beneficials
fallow nova
I've started using mouseovers for interrupts so I don't have to click off my target to kick/stun a cast
fallow nova
Finally saw this image. I've found it super helpful to swap party frames to raid-style with class colors shown and place them a little beneath my toon, nice and wide.
Makes it easy to see who's who, it's always ordered tank/heal/dps, you can see buffs/debuffs easily and it's in an extremely convenient spot for mouseover casting.
lusty grotto
I've started using mouseovers for interrupts so I don't have to click off my tar...
i wouldnt do this
focus kick is superior
fallow nova
Aren't you then doing a lot more clicking around on mobs?
lusty grotto
no
i mean i dont know your key level but
there's always pseduo assigned keys
err kicks
focus targetting is just better, its just probably too much to manage for someone relatively new to it
now that i think about it, both are pretty interchangeable
mouseover kick is probably the better choice for straight up pugging
solemn current
Best to have a macro that does both. Focus if you have one, mouseover if you don’t, target if neither.
lusty grotto
yeah
solemn current
In a pug especially
lusty grotto
i just dont care to mouseover it, but i can see it working for people that do
solemn current
Ultimately ended up using it because no matter what in pugs you’re occasionally going to have to do on the fly kicking. Even something as simple as 2 mobs that cast at the time time but both need to be interrupted. No stranger to waiting until the first one is kicked and then quickly mousing over to kick the other one.
Feel like most wow players play with extremely high dpi/sens though so it’s not ideal for them.
lusty grotto
nah
as a chronic mouse looker, its just not ideal
if it works it works, it just wont for me
solemn current
Yea I mean a lot of the times I’m holding in right click for camera movements. That’s what the third option of target is for. But when you’re in a group of multiple casters and no assignments with no idea what will need to be kicked focus ain’t an option.
With that said something I’ve been looking for a while is a way to bind focus and remove focus to the same bind. Doesn’t seem possible.
fallow nova
there's always pseduo assigned keys
I'm pugging 99% of the time and few others seem to understand that, so assignments are largely out the window for me
lusty grotto
With that said something I’ve been looking for a while is a way to bind focus an...
yeah you basically have to ESC and hit it
tribal wharf
if im llucky, i can save some of my weakauras
warm plinth
Is there a reason you need to bind removing your focus?
solemn current
Would better allow me to focus something I feel like I’m going to interrupt without the chance of missing it while being able to remove it if that changes. Pugs ain’t shit and no matter what you communicate they don’t listen.
warm plinth
If you focus a new target it automatically removes the old focus though
solemn current
Yea but I don’t always want to focus a new target. I just need to remove it so I can potentially kick any part of multiple kicks. Just would prefer to do it without an additional bind.
warm plinth
Are you against mods? My kick is one button, holding shift makes it kick focus instead
solemn current
Just an example my shaman kicks a sole dominator in BRH. I mark it and call it every time, and without fail someone else kicks it. Rather switch my focus to a new one I need to prepare to kick what I can at that point.
tribal wharf
oh shit they got runescape 4
solemn current
My focus bind is a shift modifier and my kicks shift modifier is reflect
tribal wharf
be still my heart
lusty grotto
the worst is when you say
me the tank has bwonsamdi's mantle
i got it!
and then you are just watching that and some nerd insta kick it with ridiculous reflexes
almost like they are botting
as in the cast bar never goes off
solemn current
I communicate every time that I will lock down the confessor by myself on the warrior. Other kicks are always wasted on it followed by wildfires.
solemn current
Hell I bricked a 28 rise last week because I communicated IN DISCORD that I will cover the sentinel kick. TWICE. The MW monk decided to roll out and do it himself twice in a row and a volley got off that was on his kick priority that he called while enraged.
solemn current
People think this shit is just weekly pug problems but it really doesn’t matter how high you go lol
lusty grotto
yeah
solemn current
Then EU players gotta rub it in like “I don’t get it this doesn’t even happen in my 20s”
lusty grotto
the whole EU vs NA key scene thing is just that NA prefers to have set groups, and EU prefers to do their own thing
so the people pugging high on NA tend to be slightly worse because they either cant trust or cant function on a team level
solemn current
I mean they don’t have an NA education so they got that going for them to start with lol
lusty grotto
but EU is more used to it
thats true
i was listening to max/dratnos/dorki podcast
and i dont remember the topic
but max said something along the lines of, EU players tend to be overly more direct
no sugarcoating, you fucked up
which is another interesting distinction
grim pilot
People think this shit is just weekly pug problems but it really doesn’t matter ...
29 rise last week
I said magus 2 war into sp first kick then war covers (I'm war)
I kicked first
lusty tiger
which is another interesting distinction
Very very true from my experience on private servers… and in hpala discord
grim pilot
and had to storm bolt because volley would've gone off EARLY in the pull
lusty grotto
and of course people expect it, so they fix their shit, not "im triggered" or whatever the fuck NA players do
lusty tiger
and of course people expect it, so they fix their shit, not "im triggered" or wh...
Cry and leave
lusty grotto
yeah
its rough
my brother has one of those personalities
well
i do too, but i keep it under control
the type that just needs to say that you fucked up and what
kind of like EU players
but my brother is just on that level
warm plinth
Just an example my shaman kicks a sole dominator in BRH. I mark it and call it e...
So how do you kick your focus?
lusty grotto
he has made people quit so much on keys lol
warm plinth
Oh so you have a macro that kicks focus if you have one, mouseover if you have one, target if you don't have either?
solemn current
Exactly
Works perfect, just has the one small issue of no convenient way to remove it without an additional bind. When I’m playing with friends it’s easier to just focus and forget. Pugs ehhh.
delicate plinth
Hi guys, I'd like to have some information about soft cap statisics for war prot 🙂
warm plinth
There aren't any
delicate plinth
Isn't there a cap where hate is more useful?
lusty grotto
haste is always useful
hate... is never useful
dunno which you meant, so i addressed both
🙂
delicate plinth
there is a minimum of hate to be had, on icyveins the prio stats is Haste > Verso >= Crit...
haste*
warm plinth
There is no minimum haste to be had
lusty grotto
☝️
tribal wharf
for a brief second after have reading that thought it said "minigun haste" and i was, wtf
so your minigun fires faster?
solemn current
I mean if you don't have enough haste to maintain Shield Block with Into the Fray you're better off running Heavy Rep to maintain but yea.
lusty grotto
yeah but he didnt provide details
warm plinth
Sure, though that doesn't really force a minimum. HR is a perfectly viable talent.
lusty grotto
so we're saying stuff generally
solemn current
Just felt like it was worth saying. Don't think guides say it much.
warm plinth
I do think there should be a caveat in the guides saying basically if you struggle w/ uptime, run HR until you're more comfortable with the spec
But 🤷
solemn current
And there might be in there some where I haven't studied it, I just know it's not very obvious if it is.
warm plinth
There's not; I have read them a hundred times XD
delicate plinth
I just want to know soft cap stats to maximise versa for example
solemn current
ilvl > haste > crit/vers > mastery
warm plinth
There's no need to "Maximise vers"
solemn current
when ilvl isn't the question or when choosing jewelry, try to prio haste. That's it.
delicate plinth
Ok thanks !
warm plinth
Sense runs 29/30 keys and has 11% vers. Plka runs 29/30 keys and has 21% vers. There's no need to stack it.
solemn current
I personally have about 7300 haste but that's not a requirement or soft cap it's just where I managed to be with my gear to still be able to maintain shield block with ITF. I only have about 3500 vers I believe without checking.
tribal wharf
this is hell for about another 2 hours or so
gota find a frame in one of the videos see what weak auras i lost
bah, probably dont even need them
opaque jacinth
macro
grim pilot
@strong forum another rezan no healer
this time 27
1 boss mechanic
why give atonement to the tank
when u can cast smite
and do 35k st
strong forum
Actually mindbafflingly afk
grim pilot
npc
is only ranged in the group
sees juggernaut casts go off perma
why bait it when you can "heal" it
and by heal it I mean do 1 radiance and die
lusty grotto
ionic fern
What is up with your pug healers. o.o
violet ginkgo
There's no need to "Maximise vers"
let's "Maximize Mastery" then
ionic nimbus
At this point of the Season i can recommend to avoid pugging as much as possible.. in the past 2-3 weeks if have seen things that let me doubt the last bit of faith in humanity…
lusty grotto
eh thats just perception
ive seen bad things
but its more or less the same as every season
i saw more quitters in s1 and s2's start in recent memory than now, but im still encountering timeable key quitters right now
because they happen so soon after each other it seems like its worse, but it actually isnt
a lot of these things are just problems that can be addressed with a rework to key depletion
but yeah...
ionic fern
Can we all agree that next seasons dungeons are trash tho? 
lusty grotto
well HoI and Uldaman are
ionic nimbus
Yeah I would like to see some improvements to m+, but the depletion system is just garbage..
lusty grotto
the rest i like, obviously notable exception to Crawth
ionic fern
the rest i like, obviously notable exception to Crawth
I think that's the only dungeon i enjoyed.
😂
lusty grotto
the dungeon is great
ionic nimbus
AV, AA, BH, Nel are pure fun in my opinion
ionic fern
AV, AA, BH, Nel are pure fun in my opinion
lusty grotto
the singular worse one is HoI
by far
and probably AV now with the change for the skip
uldaman is actually not that bad... objectively speaking
i just dont like it subjectively speaking lol
ionic fern
and probably AV now with the change for the skip
Did they fix the leaping down skip?
lusty grotto
yeah its insta death now
you can, according to Ghash, still do ring skips
but, you cant do the frog skip
ionic nimbus
I mean for us as tanks it’s much easier to play the jumping frogs than the big frontal elementals.. but my caster and healer buddies will cry me a river
lusty grotto
yeah there's nothing particularly wrong with that section
its just, too much added percent
its a literal waste of time
maybe if they removed a bit of trash around the dungeon it works
ionic nimbus
Yeah but I guess there will be a good route pretty soon
lusty grotto
yeah no doubt, blizzard will apparently do a couple of iterations on them so we will have to see what happens with that
ionic fern
As always with skips.
-Bring a rogue;
-Bring a priest;
-Bring a warlock.
Ugh.
Trying to push high keys with buddies?
Better hope they play one of those.
Obviously you can do invis skips etc.
grim pilot
What is up with your pug healers. o.o
they're all apes
but the one in the video was not an ape, just had some issues when entering the key after he forgot to take the statue
had healer dispel chronoburst during afflicted week on a 30 fortified fall instead of trying to top people correctly so it was oneshotting everyone
from clean run with pretty good timer to quick 20 deaths into deplete
tribal wharf
As always with skips.
-Bring a rogue;
-Bring a priest;
-Bring a warlock.
just everyone bring heaps and heaps of r3 invis potions DUH
all 5 party members
deft hinge
invis belt+invis pot does help alot
tribal wharf
wat?
invis belt?
opal forum
hi guys, random question, wich dps specs are the best/worst in terms of survivability?
just for general understanding of what to expect of my teamates
for m+
i feel like sham/mage/hunter are probably the weakest? but i dont know much
waxen frigate
just for general understanding of what to expect of my teamates
Ngl if you’re pugging expect everyone to die to random shit
Mage is extremely tanky
Mage players just suck mega ass
opal forum
they barely have any defensive
waxen frigate
They have barrier, alter, possibly cauterize, ice block/ice snap or whatever it’s called
They can blink away from things
They have greater invis which I think is DR
Idk if mirror image still exists
Most mages just completely ignore altern
Shaman and hunter are definitely on the squishy end
Particularly if the hunter is using a Dps/lust pet
Because they lose a major defensive CD by doing that
waxen frigate
Yes to all those
plush tendon
Fury Warrior especially is very tanky
waxen frigate
Druids are really squish too
opal forum
evok/dk/monk being middle tier ish?
plush tendon
Druids have weakauras to tell them when they bearform XD
opal forum
oh i tought druid was not so bad
opal forum
ok ok
warm plinth
Rogue and mage are practically immortal. Ret pally is pretty survivable.
Hunter and Shaman are probably bottom?
Monk has a ton of defensives
waxen frigate
Monk has a ton of defensives
They do but once they’re out they’re out
plush tendon
they have avoidance in their talents
waxen frigate
They don’t have a lot of passive survivability
plush tendon
low CD def
warm plinth
They're all short CD though so
plush tendon
and heals
opal forum
so whats the real reason of why i keep seeing mage get one shot? hard to play? or im the only one who have that experience?
waxen frigate
They're all short CD though so
Not fort brew but diffuse/dampen/karma ye
warm plinth
1.5 min-2 min for most
waxen frigate
so whats the real reason of why i keep seeing mage get one shot? hard to play? o...
Mage players suck
Like I said
Like genuinely
plush tendon
so whats the real reason of why i keep seeing mage get one shot? hard to play? o...
mage is hard to play
warm plinth
Mage players do suck
waxen frigate
Good mage players are very rare
waxen frigate
And a lot of former good mage players are now evokers
warm plinth
Worst spec to fotm because it actually requires skill
opal forum
but out of the hundreds of thousand of people playing it
plush tendon
so they have to press the button
opal forum
theres gotta be a bigger reason then "mage sucks"
waxen frigate
but out of the hundreds of thousand of people playing it
At least 99k are trash
opal forum
class is harder then others?
waxen frigate
Nah it’s legit just
An extremely common thing
Warlock players don’t struggle as much with their defensives
Mages just do not press them
plush tendon
class is harder then others?
you have to press the button to mitigate the damage, which means you have to know that the damage is coming
if you dont know whats going on.... then your shit out of luck on a mage
waxen frigate
you have to press the button to mitigate the damage, which means you have to kno...
And they don’t have the natural hp pool of warlock
So they can’t just eat something and then go oops
opal forum
ok i understand more
plush tendon
warlocks have lots of passive def bonuses
waxen frigate
If you play with a good mage
plush tendon
makes it easier for a new player who doesnt know whats going on to live through things
waxen frigate
Add them on bnet
waxen frigate
Even longtime mage players are just generally not good
opal forum
okok
plush tendon
but as soon as you have to press a button to live like mage or druids having to bear form.... then it gets spicey
warm plinth
Friendly reminder that rogues can have 100% uptime on 20% ST/40% AoE DR, and have a magic immunity and Evasion on top of that
plush tendon
then you have things like fury warrior who have low CD Spell Reflect, toggle D Stance, passive 10% DR, two 2-handers worth of stam
and selfing healing in their normal rotation
waxen frigate
Also the ability to do insane self heals
Press enraged regen and u just do not die unless u get one shot
Which is difficult to do for fury
plush tendon
like, on a 27 Fall, Fury warrior can live 2nd boss without a healer on Tyran
waxen frigate
Now arms warrior on the other hand
Is very squishy
They have one major defensive
And then the two little ones
plush tendon
I know cause our healer died and me and a fury warrior soloed the last 50%
tribal wharf
does anybody remember who linked me the "hit in back weak aura" and when it was sent?
opal forum
i dont understand why some people play arms instead of fury
tribal wharf
(i dont need the wa, i need to know when it was posted so i have a good idea of when to look at my wow replays to see what weak auras got lost)
opal forum
fury just seems better to me
plush tendon
I like arms more
opal forum
i might be wrong
plush tendon
personally
opal forum
im just wondering
warm plinth
They're about the same right now
opal forum
and fury is so fun
warm plinth
And people like the playstyke
plush tendon
fury hurts my hand 😦
warm plinth
Playstyle
plush tendon
and I like bladestorm
opal forum
ok ok
plush tendon
and the big mortal strikes+executes
waxen frigate
i dont understand why some people play arms instead of fury
More fun better aoe better execute
Fury better cleave way better tankiness
plush tendon
I know warriors who in like EB will play arms the first half, then swap to fury for 2nd boss on
opal forum
so arms might be better in tyr?
bigger packs and longer boss
less random shit that can one shot you
plush tendon
no
waxen frigate
No
opal forum
😦
waxen frigate
Tyr is easier to get one shot a lot of the time
plush tendon
^
opal forum
i mean, everything is way more predictable
plush tendon
yea, Tyran is when you want the Fury Tankiness
plush tendon
yea, but shit just hits hard for no good reason
EX: 3rd boss EB
cinderbolt
actually a RNG mess
oddly enough, EB and ToT might be two of the better dungeons to have a warrior
no cap, Fury eats throne for breakfast XD
plush tendon
"thats a nice debuff Mr. Sentinal.... would be a shame if someone reflected it!'
waxen frigate
Tons of damage
plush tendon
or 3rd boss reflect the debuff XD
plush tendon
DPS warriors has always been a decent/niche pick
it just lacks that extra thing that other meta melee have like Rogue and Paladin
and with such a range/magic damage focus this tier and last... battleshout value is meh at best
still, you could build a very viable and good comp around a warrior
opal forum
its absurd the number of pally right now
plush tendon
I guess I should clarify its popular for M+ pushing
waxen frigate
its absurd the number of pally right now
Most popular spec in the game since basically always
plush tendon
Paladin has always been a popular class
waxen frigate
On top of being good
waxen frigate
Because this is the second time it’s been good in a long time
waxen frigate
And the other time was extremely short lived
waxen frigate
And sac
opal forum
sometimes theres like 7pally applying on my key
waxen frigate
And lots of cc
opal forum
and nothing else
plush tendon
And lots of cc
doesnt have that much: HoJ and Blinding light
waxen frigate
Most of the time I just end up with a Ret
plush tendon
and Ashes in some scenarios
waxen frigate
doesnt have that much: HoJ and Blinding light
HoJ with cdr tho
Goes hard
Also a very good dispel option
plush tendon
HoJ is the best ST stun in the game though
plush tendon
but its almost less useful since so much of the CC in keys now is just layering AoE stops
plush tendon
its less useful for Prot War 100%
but blinding light is nice since it doesnt DR any of our stops
opal forum
i like having a balance druid to compensate the fact that i dont have the aoe silence capability of a DH/pal
plush tendon
Balance druid is interesting, but you sort of need to build a comp around it
still super potent; their aoe potential is silly
opal forum
why? i dont know much of dps specs
plush tendon
they are quite squishy and the dungeon pool this season asks for a lot of prio damage
opal forum
oh you want a PI/aug on him?
plush tendon
so you dont want like a boomkin+hunter together
most successful boomkin comps are with like a mage/shadow/aug
plush tendon
this is the first season where damage profiles really matter
and people noticing it more
unless you play triple rogue cause fuck it XD
opal forum
most successful boomkin comps are with like a mage/shadow/aug
yeah is that not the most popular comp in top world m+
waxen frigate
yeah is that not the most popular comp in top world m+
It’s one of them
Dps and healers actually vary a lot right now
There’s 3 great title range healers
And probably 8 or 9 great Dps
opal forum
yes it depends alot on the dungeon right
waxen frigate
Yeah but also just comp preference
Like there’s no god comp rn
Compared to last season
opal forum
i know its very different from big keys but its crazy the number of different spec healer played on the MDI
i know its partly because of the 4dps meta
still impresive
plush tendon
yea, thers a bunch of pretty good comps: the difference is some classes/specs are more comp dependent and others are comp indepedent
like I can slot a rogue in any comp and itll be a good decision; same cant be said for like a boomkin
opal forum
DH lmaoooo
plush tendon
Havoc is much less desirable with VDH being pretty dominant in the meta
though Prot Pal+Havoc aint bad
opal forum
sounds almost mandatory
cuz even if you take prot pal
then you want the havoc
either case you want a DH
plush tendon
with the amount of casters in the meta, the 5% chaos brand is very potent
but you dont have to take a Havoc if you play with a Prot Pal; its not required
keen leaf
do prot warriors just do less dmg than other tanks, I seem low overall in my keys
jagged pier
shouldnt be much different in keys really
if the warrior is good it should do around the same as most but like VDH
plush tendon
I feel like prot pumps damage
opal forum
if u spam ur CD and switch stance, you should do good dps
jagged pier
prot is the lowest dps tank right now
opal forum
is it not guardian
and pally being pretty much the same
and brew/dk barely better
i feel like it was like this last time i looked
jagged pier
i mean u have a heavy cleave, ST and general cleave fight here
we higher on smoldy but our cds line up with the dps increases
keen leaf
ill just pretend its the 8 ilvl difference then, thanks! lol
plush tendon
DK is actually straight pumper in raid and keys
a lot of it is borrowed power and what not
of the 4 tanks I play... prot paladin is the most : ^) in keys
but I generally play Sentinal instead of Crit Wings 😦
waxen frigate
of the 4 tanks I play... prot paladin is the most : ^) in keys
Ppala in keys 
It’s ok I didn’t want to do damage anyway
I’m fine doing 90-100k st
tribal wharf
apparently u dont even have to kill dr boom to get loot
i was afk and i came back and bag
violet flume
if theyd compensate war lack of utility with megadamage id be cool with that just saying
lusty grotto
we've been saying that for years
the problem with that is that SR becomes a talking point among other things
plush tendon
give us AA and intervene DR back ❤️
lusty grotto
every single time a warrior has been top damage it has been by a mile too
lusty grotto
and and giga meta
opal forum
anythingg
cerulean tusk
Problem with warrior is that we are the only tank that actually scales with keylevel, thanks to spell reflect. Noone can beat a warrior on a high enough m+ with reflect value.
Some of the problems we have with damage/CC will be solved with War Within changes. Don't think we need hero/CR though.
plush tendon
no tank has the ability to bring lust
and I think thematically it works for warriors
lusty grotto
it would make sense thematically yes
and also funky, when our damage is high, our strengths also become extremely noticeable, such as our superior physical mitigation
nobody bats an eye at it because of other factors, but when one thing beats another, everything added up is accounted for
holy fuck i had forgotten how much i loved cosmo canyon's song in the original ff7
im so glad they just slightly updated songs in rebirth
lucid zealot
do we manually ever cast rend?
opal forum
no
cerulean tusk
and also funky, when our damage is high, our strengths also become extremely not...
Hey, not my fault people care more about DPS meters than mitigation.
Is what it is.
That warrior got a bit lower damage than the pack, is fine in my book, but - we should then not be this far away from example DH, that got CC, dam and can survive better than warrior during CDs.
They probably should rework our cheat death to become more like Will of the Necropolis. Lower health we got, the less damage we take from magic and that jazz. Then perhaps, give us some more ways to redirect spell damage to ourselves.
Sure it wont be BiS for m+35, but it will feel good 2-30.
cinder dirge
D'you guys know if spellblock combined with spell reflect makes the first hit of bloom (from Timestream anomaly in Galakrond's on 2nd boss room) an absorb instead of "block" ?
I got a weird moment that i recorded a week ago without having the logs unfortunately where the Bloom got absorbed.
I checked Nomeratur post saying that if the first hit of bloom is absorbed in any kind of way then the DoT wont apply to you and the other target but it seems on the video that i only had Spell block + SR.... Why does it says "absorb" instead of block ? Is it possible ?
opal forum
pinned comments theres a sheet of everything spellblockable
cerulean tusk
You certain your IP+ example head enchant, a healer shield or a myriad of other absorb effects didn't do it?
opal forum
i misunderstood what you asked sry
cinder dirge
Hold on i'm clipping it
Cause idk if it can be reproduce on fortified if so that's kinda big
Can someone tell me wtf is going on?
why did it says absorb?
I'm sorry for noth aving logs for this
Cause the IP absorb doesn't drop after getting hit by it so i suppose it doesn't come from IP
But what makes it says "absorb" instead of "block" ?
lusty grotto
because absorbs trigger before blocking does
and besides you should be ragehearting it
or full absorbing it with cocoon, if the healer is smar tthey will do it
cause it prevents the application of the debuff
cinder dirge
i don't have rageheart and cocoon haven't been used (left side on Persemonk CD's)
or maybe i misunderstood ?
cause the one thing i'm curious is what buff made that bloom absorbed on that clip
wet pine
Your health bar frame looks like you have an absorb shieldi n the clip
lusty grotto
i cant see what you mean cause your ui is a mess
but you answered yourself
its absorbed so its an absorb
logs might help
cerulean tusk
Looks to me, it was what I said
Your UI is a freaking mess, but the buffs are there
lusty grotto
so it wasnt absorb prevented
thats the debuff my dude
rewatch your clip
in slow motion
cinder dirge
how can you see the sigil debuff when i don't have it on the clip
lusty grotto
anyway do you have a log?
lusty grotto
is this not your clip?
cerulean tusk
The absorb you are wondering about is the Aug shield, your head enchant and the other thing I dont remember the name of
lusty grotto
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxJAeuiT5O4iBJXXArTPR5kFtNpOAiKRL3?si=2pAzB6iAUaH-K9D...
the one here?
im confused now
cinder dirge
lusty grotto
did he link the wrong thing?
cerulean tusk
Anyhow, he got IP running, a fresh proc from his head enchant, Aug shield and the thing I dont know the name of
cinder dirge
cinder dirge
Anyhow, he got IP running, a fresh proc from his head enchant, Aug shield and th...
ye the 15 stacks went off
tyvm
i'm blown away that it absorbed that much
i'm sorry for the confusion.
Like I said i had logs i wouldnt have asks so ye thanks for your time guys
cerulean tusk
thingity bob
lusty grotto
is that what you meant funky?
also why did my clip went ahead on the video, i literally clicked the one he posted
cerulean tusk
Youtube was weird
you got to open it twice, and not click away the notification box
or it goes to the video and not the clip
cerulean tusk
My guess it is privated
lusty grotto
at least of that specific thing happening
but honestly
that chrono ward timing was
so lucky lol
stars aligned
cerulean tusk
Refresh and stuff seemed on purpose at least, so both I guess, also tank popped everything to help mitigate. Now, I don't know what layers things work off on, is head enchant l4 or l2?
lusty grotto
good question but it still goes off before spell block
probably before IP?
idk for sure, just speculating
tribal wharf
for real, i would race swap to bigger bag race if it wasnt vulpera lol
toxic pewter
you are missing out
got 12 extra bag slots with vulpera racial and having an authenticator
lusty grotto
hmm
what is this slayer tree
bladestorm?
there's so many unneeded bladestorm interactions wtf
i thought it was execute focused
but instead it seems its bladestorm focused
so weird
sigh here we go again
didnt they learn we dont really like uncontrollable bladestorm procs
at least from the wording
it seems that its brief
maybe a 1 swing bladestorm? like a whirlwind
1-2 gcds maybe? since it specifically says pummel/storm bolt while doing it
on the other hand... these are interesting
from what i can see, execute will indeed do giga fucking damage
its just weird they decided to put bladestorm in, i guess they just want people to play it
subtle peak
Yea not a big fan of the forced bladestorm
lusty grotto
maybe you dont even have to talent bladestorm in with the frenetic flurry proc
fallow nova
Finally got 4 set after some of the weirdest luck I've seen across my toons this expansion
Does the TR cdr give 3 seconds per bleed consumed, or per occurance in general?
lusty grotto
bleed consumed dont affect it
urban portal
but instead it seems its bladestorm focused
i think they have to make a tree somewhat decent in both ST and AOE
lusty grotto
its just 3 sec per proc
urban portal
and they decided the solution would be just amping up bladestorm
lusty grotto
on the other hand
the tree seems giga strong if not broken for pvp
snare/root removal on charge? stunning while bladestorming? self healing on SD procs?
shit is kinda nuts
fallow nova
its just 3 sec per proc
Thanks
lusty grotto
seems great
dusky canopy
The biggest issue I can see at first glance is more OP procs
Arms doesn’t need to press OP more
lusty grotto
yeah thats fucking weird
dusky canopy
Lmao
lusty grotto
should have been MS procs
or idk
but also i dont want another signet of tormented kings situation with the bladestorm proc
winged slate
Yeah roots are supposed to be a warrior's worst nightmare, kinda wild if they can just ignore roots now
winged slate
For all 8 people who still pvp
winged slate
I honestly have no idea who pvps anymore, I used to see it much more commonly
I stopped fully in like BFA or something
winged slate
Well it's also the game being less popular overall
Pvp also used to be a big part of the gearing process and thankfully isn't anymore
dusky canopy
Ignore pvp who cares
lusty grotto
as long as its fun for those that do it
dusky canopy
It’s a fantastic talent for warrior
lusty grotto
im fine with it
dusky canopy
If the pvpers cry about warrior charging constantly then they can just reduce its effect in pvp
I as a purely PVE player should not get fucked by purely pvp players
lusty grotto
kind of a shame its not available for prot
winged slate
Still wild to me that pvp didn't get their own talent trees
dusky canopy
I think I’d enjoy pvp more if big team battles was the focus
lusty grotto
would invalidate entangling for us
lusty grotto
i prefer arena but
winged slate
I hate entangling so much
lusty grotto
i havent been competitive in a while
dusky canopy
would invalidate entangling for us
We need something! Can’t do two of the affixes reliably
winged slate
Not because it's hard or anything, it's just frustrating design
lusty grotto
well we cant do a lot of the affixes at all anyway
but at least dps can actually just ignore one of the more tame ones now
which is weird but alas
winged slate
The classic is getting entangling while you're soaking the tank circle on galakrond
Or whatever his name is
Iridikron
lusty grotto
lol
winged slate
Do I
A. Move out and kill everyone
B. Stand still, get stunned, get knocked out of the circle, and THEN kill everyone
Make your votes now
strong forum
cry
winged slate
Bad game >:(
strong forum
or move out between hits REALLY quickly
winged slate
The entangling circle too big if it's centered I think
Otherwise I'd leap out and use the speed boost to walk it back
It's like barely a real concern but it just feels like they didn't consider how entangling interacts with the dungeons
lusty grotto
same way storming could fuck you up on certain mechs
like kujo's box thing, oh wait here comes quaking or storming
violet ginkgo
Do I
A. Move out and kill everyone
B. Stand still, get stunned, get knocked out...
Vote for A
thin glade
lusty grotto
OK calm down Satan
warm plinth
👋
jagged pier
👋
lusty grotto
👋
tribal wharf
TLDR
dont turn on beta updates for w11
or youll end up like me
if you want to know how thats been going, well,
warm plinth
Yes
warm plinth
I haven't even done the raid. Just been boosted a couple times in heroic lol
warm plinth
Why do you ask
warm plinth
🙈
lusty grotto
):
warm plinth
I ain't trying to get yelled at
lusty grotto
well the only somewhat complex fight is council
and its not really
literally the same as heroic except you swap every frontal
well i guess pugs also sometimes swap every frontal
which is weird in heroic but
idk
warm plinth
I assume this is a pug
warm plinth
idk, fuck it,w hat's the worst that could happen
warm plinth
Probably for the best
violet flume
no need for a back attack WA you just instantly lose 90% hp
thats your warning kek
happens to more than i like to admit when i pull multiple groups 😦
tribal wharf
its more like a game for me like golf
try to keep the score as low as possible is win con
violet flume
like running from one group to the enxt, especialyl with awful camera angles.. i feel its ass to keep mobs in front of you 24/7
maybe im just regarded
tribal wharf
if i get to many score on that metric, i auto lose by shame and attrition and slink into shadow
or, one very importatn one, like tree boss with 70 stacks
tribal wharf
brb, im setting new high score.
grim pilot
is there a weakaura for raal so I know what's the safe range
99% of the time I'm standing in shit so that the group doesnt wipe
its painful
tribal wharf
no, just literal sti on him the whole time
you can like turn to tside to do storm bolts and shockaves a bit, i have cow stomp which is 360 so it hits behind, so it helps on the walks to boss adds
you'll get more rage just sitting at him and mashing shield slam, is always at least 1 safe spot to stand that isnt covered in goop infront him him
alot easire to dodge the frontal than it looks, just have to move
strong forum
is there a weakaura for raal so I know what's the safe range
melee range
if you cant attack, neither can he
grim pilot
melee range
yeah but on higher keys it's fucking swarmed with those lmao
puddles everywhere
pain
lusty grotto
yeah pretty much
grim pilot
I mean I know about spell block (I think? I just press it instinctively when tanking the frontals)
grim pilot
they dont do anything
lusty grotto
both his frontals and the add spawn
grim pilot
meh
detrimental to think about that when trying to find 1 pixel on the ground without green puddle on it
lusty grotto
sure
grim pilot
either way
just wanted to know about that because it's super pain lol
also 3500 people not knowing frontal is dodgeable
xd
s
lusty grotto
yeahh thats rough
i see it all the time with add spawns
like half of the group dodges, but theres always that one guy
lusty grotto
and then these mfers always stand in africa
and you have to rely on Troar and ravager to get shit
lusty grotto
or challenging
grim pilot
because why bring it to the tank
btw
havent tested
can u taunt the boss
and get out of melee range?
lusty grotto
your group will get deleted anyway
lusty grotto
its a melee range check
warm plinth
Yeah he doesn't care about threat; it's an aoe not an I'll hit this guy instead
strong forum
tenderize of raal is physical and blockable
its entirely irrelevant to dodge for us
does literally 0 dmg to tanks
lusty grotto
im just used to dodging
besides why take any damage, even if its as little as it is
A and D are free
warm plinth
Because you bait it away from everyone else
lusty grotto
ig
keen leaf
Z
river island
question i just swapped over to tanking recently and im just melting in everbloom's council fight noxous charge is just wrecking me with rolling cds any advice?
echo egret
You should have spell reflect + defensive stance for every charge
You can cover 2 in a row with spell block iirc
Rotate your demo shout, shield wall, last stand
Don’t go too far from the other boss
And charge it back like 1 second after the noxious charge hit you
(Too soon and you’ll get meleed in the back)
And pray your dps did their job and didn’t leave a pool nearby
oh and plan your cd usage ahead, so that you know when you need to ask for an external (and tell your healer to save it)
pallid quiver
question i just swapped over to tanking recently and im just melting in everbloo...
If you do use spell block for the charge, remember to actually face him when he charges you so you actually block it. That's been an issue that people before had with this boss.
river island
thank you!
echo egret
If you do use spell block for the charge, remember to actually face him when he ...
<— noob that initially didn’t guess that you need to have block up to block a spell, when we received the spell block ability.
tribal wharf
moment of disaster last night
this was very painful, but we killed it after alot of dying
waxen frigate
If you do use spell block for the charge, remember to actually face him when he ...
Also in general it’s important to strafe on that boss as a block spec
If you just let him smack you in the back after the already-painful charge you’re gonna have a bad time
split pendant
And pray your dps did their job and didn’t leave a pool nearby
I just started pushing keys is there a specific dps prayer or mantra or mudra that you would recommend??
echo egret
I just started pushing keys is there a specific dps prayer or mantra or mudra th...
It's a specific case for that boss. Although "pray your DPS <insert random job here>" could be a good pug mantra.
grim pilot
oh and *plan* your cd usage ahead, so that you know when you need to ask for an ...
well best thing you can do is google some everbloom with timers
check how often it is inbetween them
and plan
but u dont need it till like 26+ tyra or smth
I was winging it in battle stance in 24 and didnt really take any noticeable damage
rapid jewel
does one have a good taunt WA for all 3 raids, that just says taunt when I need to taunt?
sand drum
urban portal
Dbm has auto taunt stuff yeah
I wouldn’t recommend for mythic but it’s definitely heroic ready
rapid jewel
yeah dont like dbm to be honest.
jagged gust
bigwigs
lusty grotto
most of us use mythic ones
so we really cant recommend
for heroic bigwigs or dbm would be best
for heroic or below
violet ginkgo
I think the auto taunt from dbm is a bit weird lately for council, usually we swap taunt after 2 frontal and charge right? now the warning is every 1 frontal.
calm lodge
I see a lot of the top guys running haste vers, whereas the guide says crit haste. Is that because at high keys vers has higher value?
sick sentinel
well well well who do we have here
violet ginkgo
We got Kratos at home
blazing condor
Bro didnt eat his veggies
tribal wharf
skill issue if he dont want to max EV train whatever veggies give stat of
warm plinth
morning
warm plinth
well well well who do we have here
Kratos after he failed to kill Thanos before the snap.
tribal wharf
morning
you see
night elves, they eat too many veggies
and thats why they are so tall, and green color-ish
as opposed to short stocky pale boy here dwarf kratos
so im saying, eat your veggies, but not too many and you can be human
orchid mural
hmm. but protien is what u need to get big 🙂
orchid mural
you got me there. /goshdarnit
waxen frigate
I think the auto taunt from dbm is a bit weird lately for council, usually we sw...
It’s intended to be 1-1, you can just easily get away with swapping on 2 in heroic and below
pallid quiver
^^^, for pugs in Heroic and all, I'd just do whichever the other tank is doing. It's easier to coordinate not murdering the DPS if you taunt after every charge, but you do take a lot more damage taking 2 claws back to back.
It's fairly manageable on Heroic and lower, though; I've never once felt threated by claws, at least
hardy snow
mf just raw dogs spinach and gets swole
thats called allergy
violet flume
i looked quick but
100% not worth to leap away from boss to charge imo
you have your back facing mobs after goliath and you almost die because of it, you need to strafe
so you can still block
grats on the tiemd +20 tho
jagged gust
Yogi still pulls SL strats, it is what it is
warm plinth
Yogi we talked about the leap charge thing 😠
cerulean tusk
i did a wcm 20 sanguine, made it video
My feedback:
- You need to keep in mind sanguine more, preplan the movement to drop it while pushing forward.
- You need to keep in mind frontals, never face them towards the group. Walls and alcoves are your best friend.
- You should pull more at a time, warrior is especially tanky in WCM, you can go ham.
- NEVER TURN YOUR BACK TO MOBS, strafe run, so you are always blocking.
- You got some weird moves, leaping out and charging back, instead of just Shield Slamming. You do this multiple times.
- Never turn your back, goes twice as hard on bosses.
- Never turn your back to mobs, I repeat, never turn your back.
- Some more practise on mob behaviour, like witches and LoS. To avoid them standing in sang/candles.
I could probably go on with more negative critique, but that just sours the tone.
Overall you did fine, just gripes that annoy me personally - that should be ironed out.
Good job, you had the key controlled well enough to make sure it was secured 
cerulean tusk
My advice is built different
To be fair, to me, the dstance into running with back turned pulling mobs - had me in suspense. Good video content
limpid ruin
Tbh I prefer to let the mobs hit me in the back. It shows dominance over the dungeon
You can’t let it think you’re scared
violet ginkgo
@waxen frigate and @pallid quiver Oh I see... Yeah because frontal is blockable by shieldblock so even the 2 claws back to back is not doing much damage to us, so I thought we should swap after 2 claws.
pallid quiver
Even other tanks don't take much damage from it if they're properly using CDs, iirc
It's quite problematic on Mythic, though
violet ginkgo
I see
lusty grotto
I see a lot of the top guys running haste vers, whereas the guide says crit hast...
i didnt see anyone answering you, so im reviving your question. Its because high key players always gravitate to vers, but its not needed. It's a safe stat that really isnt doing as much as they think it does. See Plka and Sense. Also it does gain value with MotW, but crit is still better technically.
dont stack vers, just use it if you have it
a good combination of stats is probably better in the long run
ionic fern
Haste/Crit or Haste/Vers, it honestly doesn't matter - both work.
ionic fern
a good combination of stats is probably better in the long run
This.
lusty grotto
☝️
calm lodge
i didnt see anyone answering you, so im reviving your question. Its because high...
thanks! was just wondering. appreciate you getting back to me
tribal wharf
the way i view the keys you guys talk about like 25
is same way i view the spaceship game i keep playing
was quote someone said about spaceship game
"There are no safe strats, only safer strats"
doesnt matter how many times i play spaceship game, never gets any easier
ive played it like probably 100 times, and ive made it to final level like 20 times, of that reached final boss like 10 times, and only ever killed him twice
even on my best attempt, he took 8 of my 11 extra lives
tribal wharf
i dont play classic wow
already did in 2004
dont want to time travel back into the past, into the future
but also ya, i did 8 keys for this week, so gunna be on boltgun or aub terrania spme other game
didnt do skill 4 100% secrets boltgun, might
blazing condor
If we dont study the mistakes of the future, we’re bound to repeat them for the first time
covert flower
@tribal wharf I'm all for your memery and it's always fun reading what you type but you seriously need to stop with that leap charging
That shit is terrorist level gameplay
deft hinge
@tribal wharf Did u try «Flashback» or «Blackthorne/Blackhawk»?
tribal wharf
i jump a ton playing boomer shooters as well , games like quake
jumping and vertical "freelook" in doom 1993 is dumb
totally breaks game balance
woeful gale
tribal wharf
the short version of why constantly jump is grenades are affected by gravity and land on floor, so if your jumping in air past them they cant hit you with the AOE
kind of same for guns (projectile and hitscan)
woeful gale
Didnt ask
tribal wharf
i didnt ask about what i did wrong in the 20 wcm i posted, still got it
i just, posted the video.
so, we both got something we didnt want explicitly asked for, so we both~~ lost~~ didnt win
woeful gale
It hurta some people's eye if you are posting this. So stop that. Better go reddit. Normally class discord is the place to ask for improvement in gameplay, share information etc. You can play whatever you find it fun
tribal wharf
i tried 20 ad once
it was so horrible i instnatly deleted the video
i was so disgusted by my play and depleting i didnt want to ever see that again
blazing condor
bro got nervous by a higher number
tribal wharf
spiders on my mi nd
blazing condor
fun fact: you also got bugs under your skin
waxen frigate
fun fact: you also got bugs under your skin
blazing condor
yes owen wilson
tribal wharf
phew thank god coast is clear mods are gone
you could have been toasted for non protection warrior youtube video linking
waxen frigate
When have I ever posted anything protection warrior related here
blazing condor
yesterday 🙂
waxen frigate
Ok well
cerulean tusk
i didnt ask about what i did wrong in the 20 wcm i posted, still got it
If you don't want feedback based on the expertise in #protection, then you want to post the vid in #promotion or #off-topic.
As you didn't want feedback, why did you post it at all?
tribal wharf
i said if i ever did more 20's id post them cuz "yogi 20 key when" was the meme for 2 years here
if i had completed or timed the AD i would have posted it too
more like 3 or 4 years but ya
its just something i promised them i would do and i don't break a serious promise to ppl
cerulean tusk
Well, I will keep it in mind. Still, if you are just memeing, you prob should embrace it - make a meme video
warm plinth
He's got 3 of them on his YouTube rn