at least not in high keys
#protection
winged slate
Ugh we're gonna have to do that shit hallway again
lusty grotto
also stardawn youre wrong cause they did change AV
echo egret
will they change the two "seasonal" affixes that exclude half the specs ? probably not
will they change that stupid run back in HoI ? probably not
will they change how sanguine, spiteful, and that stupid bleed make Uldaman horrible ? probably not
warm plinth
You can still skip if you go left. But it's longer to get TO the skip
lusty grotto
yes but it also fucks with your route
and required some garbanzo pulls if you were soothing dragons
hardy snow
good thing about next season for me is that I've already got portal to HoI, so I dont need to do +20 +10 anymore 
lusty grotto
in hindsight, the right clear isn't that rough anyway
warm plinth
It's really just that there are more orbs on the right iirc
lusty grotto
compared to the metric asston of casters we have to deal with this esason
warm plinth
The triple orb especially is pretty ass
lusty grotto
pretty sure portals will stay at 20
the change is just for gearing
but yeah, realistically none of us will need to lol
at least most of us regulars
winged slate
The change is a difficulty one
lusty grotto
semantics
winged slate
S4 10s are as hard as S3 20s from what I read
So if you needed to do a S4 20 for the portal that would be fucked
lusty grotto
10s as hard as 20s, but with s4 gear
is not the same
as 10s as hard as 20s with s3 gear
winged slate
Nono
I don't mean with old gear
Their implication is that the relative difficulty of a 20 now with our gear will be the same as the relative difficulty of a 10 next season with S4 gear
lusty grotto
thats not what i understood from it
winged slate
winged slate
Yes in the current system, not with our exact gear
It would be silly to talk about running S4 endgame keys with S3 gear
opal forum
the gauntlet, the respawn, the dragons, the last boss
winged slate
They're changing the relative difficulty of heroic, M0, and key levels
opal forum
everything is wrong with this dg
jagged pier
i mean ppl clear 20s in preivous season gear literally at the start of the season everytime
winged slate
That's not the point I'm making
Blizzard doesn't talk about the relative difficulty of (future thing) while wearing past gear
lusty grotto
semantics again
lets get back on topic
they havent said anything about portals
but i highly doubt you will get absolutely everything on a 10
winged slate
If they didn't adjust them then it would be significantly harder to get portals
winged slate
Correct
winged slate
Yeah at the end of the day we kinda have to play it to see how it goes, but on paper I would be shocked if they said portals are 20
lusty grotto
and also we have no idea how tracks will work out with that squash
opal forum
portals are gonna be at 10 im pretty sure
lusty grotto
what is it 7 to 10 for myth track ?
winged slate
The other thing they haven't mentioned is if you'll still be able to bump a key up by 3
winged slate
Uhhhh should be 8 to 10
opal forum
im only worried that trying to push while pugging will be way more annoying cuz it would be hard to differenciate good and bad player
opal forum
but on the other side it will also probably be easier to find groups
lusty grotto
i dont think there'll be a difference
winged slate
I don't know that it's really any harder to tell
lusty grotto
if anything pushing past 10 would be more manageable
cause people just wont care too much about it - at least from a gearing point of view
winged slate
The actual ratings are kinda arbitrary right
opal forum
but since the ratings will be much more close to each other, it might be hard to know who to invite or not
warm plinth
They won't
winged slate
Even if they were closer, 5 points is the new 10, that's not hard to visualize
warm plinth
They are changing the rating to stay the same as now, relatively
winged slate
That's good at least for continuity
warm plinth
E.g. the score you have now with all 20s would be the score you'd have with all 10s next season
winged slate
It would be a bit funny if you're a consistent 3k Andy and then S4 you're a 1.5k gamer
But I'll take it
opal forum
i mean, back in legion people were going at like 5K if i remember correctly?
opal forum
true
warm plinth
It was higher than that but we had 13 dungeons
If we had 10 dungeons as score is currently, people would be getting 5k this season.
winged slate
Are people breaking 4k currently?
opal forum
no but barely
warm plinth
People are in the mid-high 3900s
waxen frigate
It would be a bit funny if you're a consistent 3k Andy and then S4 you're a 1.5k...
Imagine being 3K lmao
winged slate
Yeah I hadn't seen anyone over 4k yet, just had me curious
tribal wharf
winged slate
We need Yogi to be the first
waxen frigate
Yeah I hadn't seen anyone over 4k yet, just had me curious
<—
It’s in the name lol
warm plinth
Highest person is a Taiwanese player at 3969.8
winged slate
Damn, stonks
tribal wharf
if i did 4k io i would have a hear attack and die of stress
warm plinth
Don't listen to Nish. His name is a meme.
winged slate
Yogi if you did 4k you'd have to reroll
waxen frigate
Don't listen to Nish. His name is a meme.
?
tribal wharf
are dr boom items rare
waxen frigate
My raiderio has been bugged since last season but it’s very real I assure you
grim pilot
Highest person is a Taiwanese player at 3969.8
nice
waxen frigate
Soda (rip) even had screenshot proof
tribal wharf
warm plinth
Taiwanese players so crazy. The highest non-TW player is 3950
tribal wharf
well shit im gunna be here a while afk
winged slate
Built diff
jagged pier
just have all the event stuff already
jagged pier
waxen frigate
Taiwanese players so crazy. The highest non-TW player is 3950
Second highest but yeah
tribal wharf
boomers never lose
winged slate
Do people even play hs anymore
waxen frigate
Do people even play hs anymore
No
(Maybe)
Hearthstone at blizzcon was pretty small
winged slate
I swear that game lost all its heart with Brode
tribal wharf
it was fun but they ruined what it was with the game modes and constant rotations
warm plinth
I played for a couple weeks but it gets old rather quickly
tribal wharf
yes and no, its alot of fun, its rough around edges
i dont like the emote spam holy fuck is that annoying
should be option to completely disable it prematurely entirely
WELL PLAYED WELL PLAYED WELL PLAYED WELL PLAYED WELL PLAYED WELL PLAYED WELL PLAYED WELL PLAYED WELL PLAYED WELL PLAYED WELL PLAYED WELL PLAYED WELL PLAYED WELL PLAYED
Fuck off
winged slate
Oh no 2 clicks per game
lusty grotto
have you tried not looking at chat
tribal wharf
its immensely aggovating
winged slate
There actually isn't a text chat at all
lusty grotto
same thing applies
tribal wharf
i get the trash talk part, but it gets so annoying so fast
winged slate
Nah I think it's a valid complaint to not want to take off your headphones to play a game
winged slate
That's just one of the most minor things wrong with that game
tribal wharf
i didnt even mind grinding for coins and spending bit of cash on it
but not when im losing cards due to rotation
winged slate
Rotation is a necessary evil
tribal wharf
feels like i cant keep up, same problem with magic the gathering
lusty grotto
wait
is this about hearthstone
no wonder i was confused
jesus fuck blizzard andies
winged slate
I had more problems with the sheer quantity of cards/sets put out per year that you felt obligated to purchase
The rotation itself is pretty necessary
tribal wharf
i like all games but i dont like games that are dog shit to the point that it becomes jarring and unplayable
tribal wharf
i like alot of games really, old and new
tribal wharf
well, this week i bought dome keeper and bolt gun
lusty grotto
yogi
what do you do for a living? if you dont mind me asking
ive always been curious
lusty grotto
i see
ok but how do you earn money
i doubt youre retired, youre only barely older than me
though it can happen, ive known retirees at 30s
tribal wharf
if i told you you would know
lusty grotto
err low 30s i mean
tribal wharf
hire a PI if you want to know where i work lol
cerulean tusk
No need, he a pimp - he gamin' the system hard too
tribal wharf
im mostly just gamin
cerulean tusk
Fair
lusty grotto
okay
tribal wharf
we all playing the game really, but we dont talk about something something
cerulean tusk
something something agree
lusty grotto
we def talk about something something
a lot
that something something could mean anything so
cerulean tusk
If you know you know
winged slate
I really don't know
lusty grotto
i guess i'm getting andy kaufman'd
cerulean tusk
Sounds expencive
lusty grotto
not really
waxen frigate
im just curious as to what you do
He’s John “Yogi” Blizzard
jagged gust
i guess i'm getting andy kaufman'd
Would you believe, they put a man on the moon?
jagged gust
and now instantly i get REM in my head
lilac jetty
How come there are a lot of spells missing from the blockable/reflectable spell list for fyrakk? Would love to know if I can or can’t spell block the following:
Blaze, dark flame cleave, dream rend ticks, small firestorm swirlies, greater firestorm
pallid quiver
That sounds like a demon name to me; we're gonna have to exorcise yogi
lilac jetty
I’ve been getting trucked sometimes by the dark flame cleave when trying to soak 2 of the circles. And yeah most of them don’t do much but still would be nice to know
waxen frigate
probably because those dont really hurt
Blaze isn’t avoidable and at least on brew does some notable damage if you get one overlapping with another mechanic
tribal wharf
did 2 aspect items already today from 476 to 486
waxen frigate
I’ve been getting trucked sometimes by the dark flame cleave when trying to soak...
You should just have coverage for that anyway
lusty grotto
Blaze isn’t avoidable and at least on brew does some notable damage if you get o...
swirlies are
waxen frigate
Last stand is what 15sec?
waxen frigate
swirlies are
Yeah
winged slate
Cleaver probably loses to a 483 with secondaries on most aoe
tribal wharf
it would be 486 100% cuz i am the crafter
winged slate
It's pretty fine for long tyrannical bosses but since you only run WCM I would probably just use a weapon with secondaries
waxen frigate
it would be 486 100% cuz i am the crafter
Chad
lilac jetty
You should just have coverage for that anyway
Yeah I’m trying to figure out if spell block is good coverage for it lol
waxen frigate
Are you running spell block anyway?
lilac jetty
Yeah
waxen frigate
I haven’t done fyrakk as warrior but I’ve done p1 CDs for some other specs and killed as brew
I mean… fuck it why not just send it
What else are you using it on in p1
tribal wharf
this is my new defualt gear, i have the cloak dream crafted didnt 486 it yet but the 489 cloak i have is crit hase so ya
i have the smith bracers, but i dont have a smith helmet
winged slate
That fuckin egg man
lilac jetty
What else are you using it on in p1
I’ve been using it when standing in fire to face the 1st dream rend cast away (because that’s when sense does it in his kill vod). But i think it might be better to use it a bit earlier if it blocks the darfklame cleave, blaze, etc.
violet flume
biggest upgrade is to grab a baseball bat and smash your eggs
waxen frigate
I’ve been using it when standing in fire to face the 1st dream rend cast away (b...
Also don’t forget about externals
violet flume
and put something else in there
waxen frigate
You should be able to get at least 1 or 2 during the phase as needed
solemn current
You’d probably be better off with drogbar rocks than that stam egg trinket.
violet flume
dont you already have a 486 helmet
lusty grotto
darkflame cleave isnt spell blockable
violet flume
battle-ready binoculars should be just as good
lilac jetty
Ah ok good to know. Thank you :^)
violet flume
except its all in on one stat instead of two
solemn current
Eng helm is fine. Paired with bracers allows for a guaranteed brez every now and then. Wouldn’t waste a spark on replacing it as the only thing that will beat it is a 489. If you’re gonna use a spark craft a JC trinket if you really can’t replace the egg sac with anything else on hand. Negative damage and shifts some of your active survivability into a random proc.
violet flume
lol
solemn current
Fair
violet flume
if anything googles seems bis
winged slate
Yogi will continue to die on this hill
solemn current
I see the error in my ways.
warm plinth
Yogi and taking advice, name a more nonexistent duo
warm plinth
Trade chat only
winged slate
Partially because there's a swirly on the hill that he's going to eat, and partially because he turned his back to it
winged slate
People don't /leave 2 the moment they enter a city for the first time?
violet flume
how do you take advice from asmongold he doesnt even play wow
solemn current
Zul’jin trade chat used to be iconic can’t do that. Servers channel is an instant leave though.
solemn current
Server issue lol
winged slate
Illidan gaming
lusty grotto
i dont
tribal wharf
so by crafting a good trinket you guys mean fire ball deck right
or shields
i wanted to double check
lusty grotto
but ive learned to drown out and/or use blinkers in chat so it doesnt bother me
winged slate
I just have no reason for those public chats to be on at all
lusty grotto
also im in illidan
winged slate
I don't participate in them nor want to read them
lusty grotto
just mute the chinese traders, and grab their customers for quick gold
winged slate
Lul
lusty grotto
i mean 5k a craft racks up
winged slate
I don't really do crafting, and my guild does all of my orders for no fee
But maybe I'm in the minority there
lusty grotto
yeah no reason for you to see trade then 🙂
i do insta leave services channel
on new alts
at least
winged slate
You sure did something
tribal wharf
ya, i have a set for brez and a set for more stats
winged slate
It's not more stats though
tribal wharf
actually your right i forgot something
really though i would probably make that
extend my flasks a bit longer,
jagged gust
how do you take advice from asmongold he doesnt even play wow
He got carried through some 25s earlier in the season I think
waxen frigate
extend my flasks a bit longer,
Just get alchemy and they double in duration
tribal wharf
cant, im in too deep with smithingun completed atm
some day ill go collect all the old recipes and craft them for mog
ppl post 1 sword from cata froi 45k
nope
violet ginkgo
How good is the proc rate though?
lilac jetty
Am i looking at this right? it says some of these darkflame cleaves are blocked and others not? and how are some completely unmitigated?
tribal wharf
i did the math one time i cant recall
i think it gives 30% more flask time
like 10 minutes per 30 minutes, i dont recall details
i would say it is okay item, nothing really game breaking
lusty grotto
i dont understand why youre looking so much into this
just soak normally
if you want a proper test
try facing the person receiving the soak
so that youre facing the shade as it lands
and see if that changes anything
but still i dont understand why its a big deal
are you trying to solo soak or something? cause it doesnt look like it from the replays
lilac jetty
i mean some of the hits im taking like 800k damage, maybe its from not enough people in some of the soaks idk. but im just trying to figure out if its blockable or not, why is that hard to understand lol
good point on facing the person with tthe soak. that sounds like it could be it
tribal wharf
lusty grotto
i mean some of the hits im taking like 800k damage, maybe its from not enough pe...
you can check this with the replays
yeah so it might be spell blockable, i just couldnt find any logs of people doing it
it just doesnt seem like its a big priority to spell block
since its a soak mechanic
like it shouldn't be a thing you need to spell block, considering bite
or rather bite's debuffs
anyway front facing might be the issue if it is
lilac jetty
yea my guild has the tanks sitting in the overlap of 2 soaks, so im getting hit by 2 soaks most of the time and it was chunking me quite a bit on some pulls.
lusty grotto
and it kinda seems like that's the thing
tribal wharf
hopefully you guys get it
lilac jetty
yea ill try that, thanks
lilac jetty
yea it seems like the circles would have to overlap a bit to be facing both
lusty grotto
and theres def soaks that there are less than 5 people so
its just weird, cause every guild ive seen just spreads them and forgets about overlaps
idk why you guys are doing it this way
waxen frigate
its just weird, cause every guild ive seen just spreads them and forgets about o...
We still overlap
lusty grotto
i see
waxen frigate
It doesn’t hurt much if you just pop any defensive
lilac jetty
we are going off the tactyks vod for a lot of things and they suggest the tanks to be in both if possible
waxen frigate
Like on brew I just have fort brew rolling and maybe a leftover celestial brew
And I’ll EH the damage off
lusty grotto
well in that case i dont think spell block is the right call
waxen frigate
Especially if he’s doing dreamrend stuff (normally BDK role) he shouldn’t be taking many frontals anyhow and have more than enough CDs
lusty grotto
dstance/sr/wall might be best
lilac jetty
even with dstance + spell reflect i was getting chunked for a lot
lilac jetty
yeah that is likely
waxen frigate
You might also just be getting trolled by your guild
If you’re having to oversoak
Also—if you’re low, just soak the non-melee one
They won’t die unless you’re all already way lower than you should be
It’s fine to just not double soak every so often
lusty grotto
you also werent using SR on that wipe 8
in fact you only used it twice
on that whole list
waxen frigate
Completely unmitigated with ~6 people per soak (low estimate) you’re taking approx 2mil raw damage total
For the total of both hits
lusty grotto
lilac jetty
yea was my first time tanking last night so i was just figuring things out
lusty grotto
no SR on 789k hit
waxen frigate
yea was my first time tanking last night so i was just figuring things out
P1 is rough
Who’s your cotank?
lilac jetty
vdh
waxen frigate
I cba with mobile logs
lusty grotto
VDH looks like
lilac jetty
if you swap spell block fliter to off there is a lot more sample size
lusty grotto
yeah
waxen frigate
What trinks is he using
lilac jetty
cheat death and brand
waxen frigate
Do you have rageheart
lilac jetty
no
waxen frigate
Unforch
lusty grotto
cheat death and rageheart
waxen frigate
Much much better than cheat
waxen frigate
Rageheart has tons of prog value on fyrakk
lusty grotto
youre asking about him
i thought you were asking about VDH
you knoww
its still kinda weird that its spell blockable considering its a soak
waxen frigate
its still kinda weird that its spell blockable considering its a soak
The whole ability has a lot of cringe mitigation interactions
lusty grotto
i just cant remember any other case like that
lusty grotto
yeah i guess it has something to do with how shades are enemy units
waxen frigate
yeah i guess it has something to do with how shades are enemy units
Yeah
You are getting hit by individual non-targetable adds
Not the boss
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
yeah makes sense
waxen frigate
It does but it’s also cringe
lusty grotto
absolutely
waxen frigate
Makes those abilities lose insane amounts of value
Especially when p1 is very hard on tanks. And p3 can be but depends on strat
lusty grotto
@lilac jetty see if you can replicate facing the shade and spell blocking, and save the logs, its probably something that could be added to the sheet. DM Sense with the log if it works
fallow nova
Dumb question, do we worry about SB uptime in raids when swapped out for the dmg, or just keep from burning charges? Or do we not use it unless we're actively tanking the boss?
fallow nova
(I don't raid often on this toon lol)
lilac jetty
<@222916725467774976> see if you can replicate facing the shade and spell blocki...
will do. thanks for the help fellas
lusty grotto
you will keep using it
fallow nova
That was my thinking, just wanted to also make sure I had full uptime when I swap in
waxen frigate
It’s definitely more important to have it when actively tanking but it should be trivial to keep up either way
fallow nova
Cool beans. Just gotta find the right balance.
lusty grotto
if youre gapping you probably dont have enough haste
fallow nova
It's odd how much more comfortable I am in keys than raid.
lusty grotto
so it shouldn't be a problem
fallow nova
My haste is stupid low with my current gear. Like, 26% w/o buffs
fallow nova
I stopped using it in keys, wasn't sure if letting it drop when off the boss in a raid was the call or if I should just forego ITF until I've geared up some more.
lusty grotto
swap to ITF after 5400 rating unbuffed
fallow nova
Sweet, appreciate the cutoff number
lusty grotto
anything under that is HR territory
fallow nova
Also luck held out, I've got a champion track rageheart now
waxen frigate
Big
lusty grotto
also thats not a hard stop number, it depends on what youre comfy with
waxen frigate
It’s a nice trinket even if not the best
fallow nova
Yeah, going from my paladin that's at 43% unbuffed to this was... jarring.
Even in keys sometimes the gap between SS casts feels like a week or two. Can't wait to get some more haste just for it to feel better.
lusty grotto
generally speaking
fallow nova
Makes sense
waxen frigate
What's the difference, functionally?
Similar concept to IR on pally
Where that 3% talent pulls more weight than 3% derived from rating
lusty grotto
urban portal
holy
waxen frigate
protection*
urban portal
true
fallow nova
I like the feeling of ITF, I'm just so low that I tend to lose more SB uptime than I'm comfortable with yet.
lusty grotto
just get haste up
fallow nova
Got spoiled with last tier set when I was playing my war for a bit and had infinite SB through LS
waxen frigate
Got spoiled with last tier set when I was playing my war for a bit and had infin...
Real
covert flower
I hope they continue to do tier sets that change gameplay of specs
I think the resto shaman one that was voted in is their S1 one and it's the most zzzzzz thing imaginable?
waxen frigate
To be fair—all of the s1 tier sets were explicitly stated to be low impact intentionally
They didn’t want tier sets to overshadow the talent revamp in s1
fallow nova
I think the switchup is nice from tier to tier, even if it doesn't always wind up being my favorite for a spec
Which is prot getting next season?
lusty grotto
the one we're using now
fallow nova
Cool beans
covert flower
Yeah the S1 shaman one is literally like
fallow nova
Anything that makes SS an even more badass button to press, I'm all for.
covert flower
While cloudburst/healing stream totem is our your crit is increased by 10%
And then 4 piece was
covert flower
Your crit heals heal for 215% instead of 200%
lusty grotto
we all voted for it
covert flower
Like come on how boring is that
lusty grotto
i cant believe im saying it but im probably not gonna offspec arms next season
fallow nova
Tier sets that are just slight passive number boosts make me sad.
lusty grotto
just actual garbage fucking cleave interaction
just cant imagine someone preferring to press cleave over
a big aoe sudden death
fallow nova
Why swing sword wide, when you can swing sword VERY HARD and wide?
Apparently folks just wanted wide.
tribal wharf
there is a new truck noise on dbm apparently
i have to check that out
oh its a just a horn dissa pointing
waxen frigate
Can’t wait to be a Paladin next tier (I just have 6% vers from tier)
plush tendon
werent they going to update some of the older tier sets that were chosen?
lusty grotto
it sounded more like x% blanket buffs
plush tendon
that Pal set may be boring.... but its pretty decent
and better then the S2 one and S3 was doomed to fail since its tied to consecrate (which people despise)
warm plinth
Yeah it'll just be scaling the bonus up, not changing it. Otherwise what would be the point of voting
hardy snow
there are still 2 months, they have plenty of time to tell us 🙂
hardy snow
new best 
narrow jay
whats the best prot warrior embellishments?
hardy snow
thats not a <a:LETSGOOO:770741530805796874> that a
well, I was assuming we will go below 25% after ~500, so this week is going better then I thought
narrow jay
i use double shadowflame patch but every prot warrior i see is runnign random differnt things
jagged pier
well, I was assuming we will go below 25% after ~500, so this week is going bett...
i just mean over 400 on that fight now its monka
hardy snow
unfortunately, my raidteam isnt strong, but durable at least, we had 557 pulls on Sarkareth, but at least killed it
jagged pier
tribal wharf
i hope everyone of your team mates has profession to repair their gear for free
crystal mauve
i use double shadowflame patch but every prot warrior i see is runnign random di...
I use wrists and shadowflame cloak
tribal wharf
if they are wiping 557 times
lusty grotto
yogi...
tribal wharf
otherwise thats a whole out of repair
lusty grotto
guilds earn money by doing content
and by selling drops
and then they turn on guild repair
tribal wharf
maybe, lol
lusty grotto
so the guild itself funds the repairs
not maybe
thats how it is
there's no maybe there
thats how it is EVERY TIME on mythic prog guilds
100%
tribal wharf
well, i just know if you own a guild and you have a bunch of gold in the bank and turn on guild repair soon you will have no gold
but i guess for a serious guild
jagged gust
thats how it is EVERY TIME on mythic prog guilds
We actually just have this rich australian guy who's terrible with his money that's been singlehandedly funding our gbank for the past 2 xpacs
lusty grotto
people in M Prog guilds do vault keys, that yields gold, they sell recipes that drop, and BOEs, even carries
bosses killed also yields gold
i mean
we have no such thing and we're doing fine with guild repairs
prev guild was the same
so 🤷 i mean i guess a sugar daddy helps but its not that common
grim pilot
i just mean over 400 on that fight now its monka
u can say that
about tindral after every nerf
it's all a matter of perspective
while we killed it in like 5 pulls after it got nerfed the last time it's still a hard boss to prog, all depends on your rank (guild capabilities)
lusty grotto
ima soon be there
for now ill take my win on me tanking smoldy tonight
(:
i imagine ill be bored enough fast
im excited
which will fade in about 5 pulls in probably
hardy snow
Smoldy is quite cool
jagged gust
You do have the power to absolutely microwave any dps who incites your wrath, which is pretty neat
hard vessel
Do we press TC in aoe before we press revenge?
crystal mauve
Yes
jagged pier
rev is your lowest prio in any case
hard vessel
Holy fuck, just doing it wrong. In shadowlands was is revenge before TC?
jagged pier
it was about the same until S3 when u wanted the rage from TC
lusty grotto
i think rev had a bit bit higher prio maybe
just spamming tc out of combat
lol
in RP shit at least
lusty tiger
Sometimes I would avatar out of combat to keep banner going
tribal wharf
i have simplified the tree boss trash into /p "thorns, kick or clean or die"
cuz its like 99% that that kills ppl there lol
median tulip
kick?
lusty grotto
i think he means the disease from the mini witches
median tulip
Oh right
median tulip
The biggest issue in Waycrest is people forming parties without enough Interrupts. Two melee DPS or a melee DPS and a caster Shaman, minimum
lusty grotto
well
aside from runeweavers
you can play stops on everything
so while melee kicks are good, its not necessarily mandatory
median tulip
It's the bit just before Lord and Lady Waycrest that's the biggest pain without enough Interrupts. And you can't use Stops there.
lusty grotto
yeah
fort week you just gotta pull 1 pack at a time unless you have heavy coordination
at least in that part
lusty grotto
it cant stack on top of each other, but that was in s2
and in df release they made it so it lasts for a shorter amount of time
tribal wharf
does it not instantly go off now? or when you drag through and out and back through
trigger like 3 times in 3 seconds
lusty grotto
it instantly goes off yes
tribal wharf
still annoying then, oh well i i did 2 keys
this group i ran with was with it so we +3d
warm plinth
Yeah the DF change was that it only lasts 12 seconds I think
tribal wharf
actually, volcanic is giga free
and tyranical is predictable
so this affixes is a healthy balance
winged slate
Tyrannical just begins to hit points where bosses just kill people
Predictable sure
But super high tyrannical DHT you're gonna get your balls crushed
fair crown
I have a question, I have a friend that plays unholy dk and he gets annoyed when I move things out of his defile. I know they turned off the animation for others but is there a way to see it somehow so I don't move mobs out?
warm plinth
It shouldn't be completely off? just muted
fair crown
Hmm I don't see it. Maybe a setting is too low
warm plinth
do you have projected textures off or spell density or w/e super low
warm plinth
hrm, weird
waxen frigate
I have everything on ultra high haha
Tbf this is also a problem for visual clarity
You have a lot of fluff environmental stuff and overlapping effects potentially
strong forum
It shouldn't be completely off? just muted
you cant see it
no matter which settings
warm plinth
weird
tribal wharf
whats a green cast bar vs a yellow interuptable
tribal wharf
it did it for matron alma and basement witch cast
volley
i think its channeled? im not sure
warm plinth
They were both the same color? Or one was yellow and one was green
tribal wharf
whatever it was my spell bars for enemy displayed it as green
warm plinth
The Etch is an uninterruptible channel. The Ruinous Volley is an interruptible cast.
tribal wharf
with like a thin gold line around it
compare to
my assumption
is that is one of those casts that if you interupt it, it has a cooldown, and they wont try to cast it again
for until they have the cd back up,
warm plinth
Pretty sure that glow is a weakaura telling you to kick it
tribal wharf
or its something to do with aoe spell, or its flagged by some addon like dbm that you should kick it
ok, im not really sure
just be nice to know what it means
misty swallow
Good morning all, Is anyone running a Rezans as prot this week for extra boss damage or is there a better alternative?
violet ginkgo
Augury is better for sure
hearty terrace
Hey started alting warrior in keys and just want to understand how to be self-sufficient on it I know it can't heal it's self but I see a lot of tanks chill on warrior is it due to Block chance being so high now and with High hast you can always do damage witch in turn means Leech
hardy snow
Hey started alting warrior in keys and just want to understand how to be self-su...
our block chance is 100% when shield block is up, and you should have it active always when tanking, we heal well from leech and indomitable
also we have impeding victory as additional heal on cd
waxen parcel
hey fellas, someone that has not tanked much asking, should a healer be dispelling something from the tank on the first packs in eb? it was a 24 key
winged slate
You need a root break
Avatar will get it, but if the stacks are high and you don't have it, you're gonna get pounded
waxen parcel
had a dk wipe twice at the start that has normally not wiped elsewhere with a different healer that time though
winged slate
Freedom, Tiger's Lust, Avatar, Vengeful Retreat
It's not necessarily a healer angle
It's liveable without it, but 50% inc damage taken kinda rough
waxen parcel
so basically the tanks fault as I was mainly the only one kicking
winged slate
I mean he can't do shit about it
Best he can do is just try to live
It shouldn't be miserable this week given that it's tyrannical but it's still gonna hurt
waxen parcel
havent seen him wipe elsewhere and he is not that low geared at 483 but I guess it happens
winged slate
It's not a kick angle or a dispel angle though
The flowers just apply it on attack
Chaining stops helps obv
waxen parcel
just didnt expect it on a tyr week mainly
winged slate
Most people probably just don't know the mech
waxen parcel
so I have the permission to shit on him or nah? 
winged slate
DK
warm plinth
If he was talented into Wraith Walk, then that's not good. But if he wasn't, there's really nothing he can do about it.
Ideally you'd go into dreadpetals w/ some RP and shit though. Like you can't just gather the whole pull with no wind-up
And I don't think they generally do talent into it
waxen parcel
I main arms so decided that was the best place to ask sorry if a bit off topic since the different spec
winged slate
I'll literally never forgive you
waxen parcel
did not really get the answer as to can I tell him he just sucks but 
winged slate
Did you have a pally or monk in your group?
If so, just flame them instead
If not, tell him to git gud
waxen parcel
pala that did 3 kicks the whole dg with two of them being on telu
winged slate
There you go, easy target
waxen parcel
so he shouldve bofed him
ornate parcel
DK has some super op shit for everbloom. i struggle on mine cause red makes me panic a bit, but in everbloom if you pull that pack you should have AMS to help with that, DRW gives insane parry, and if all else fails you have vampiric blood, IBF, or lichborne. im a super noob, but i regularly lurk in the DK discord too. 😄
violet flume
sometimes you just have these runs that remind you how easy season 3 is
3 full wipes, 3 bosses with 1 dps down.. still timed galakrond +20
i went full super saiyan on manifested timeways when healer was dropping the ball, brez, lay on hands, sac, word of glory a party member
just to have 2 more people die 15sec later
winged slate
I can't wait for DOTI to be gone
Just so I can complain about something else instead
winged slate
I just like the 5 that aren't Everbloom/Doti so much more
lusty grotto
im already complaining about HoI
anyway smoldy was fun
to tank
back to arms next week though
violet ginkgo
3 full wipes, 3 bosses with 1 dps down.. still timed galakrond +20
can be different story than Rise one though, usually 1 mistakes there can cost tons of time.
violet ginkgo
DK has some super op shit for everbloom. i struggle on mine cause red makes me p...
I just can't bring myself to master blood DK, the HP up and down is too much for my heart XD I know blood DK is powerful but I still prefer warrior where the damage taken is not causing heart attack.
ornate parcel
@violet ginkgo oh i haven't mastered it xD mine is like.. 2700 now I think though! DK is basically if it doesn't kill you in one hit, you can survive. its absolutely terrifying, but I've found it rewarding to learn! it's one of those specs where every little mistake is additive and will, if not immediately, eventually lead you to a very depressing, very frustrating death. I main brew, although I play a little of every tank except druid every season.
cerulean tusk
You start enjoying BDK once you stop looking at your HP as HP, and instead as a recourse bar. Then you figure out, the more dam you take, the easier it is to handle. That is when the fun starts
grim pilot
I just can't bring myself to master blood DK, the HP up and down is too much for...
keep 3 runes on cd, have enough runic power to always be able to death strike twice (in packs where you think the dam might be coming, for dps STRICTLY it's a bit diff iirc) and have 1 blood boil on cd
easy
cerulean tusk
(and in m+ do kite melee attackers to stagger their attacks, to avoid the 20 mob 1 clap)
grim pilot
is that really that big of a thing
I played with bdk for like a week or two in s2
and he took like 4 packs in fortfied hoi 29
and jsut stood there
without kiting
cerulean tusk
Remember FH gigapulls during Forti?
grim pilot
chilling
ornate parcel
my biggest issue with BDK stems from my inability to weigh that moment between certain death, and an extremely valuable blood shield if I play properly. i get scared and DS too early, end up with a tiny blood shield or I'm wasting RP death striking again to correct it. that blood shield is the difference between life and death sometimes. also yeah, its kinda like using chains with VDH
grim pilot
no because I'm a melee player
and you couldn't abuse the spot
as a melee
so I didnt do those pulls
cerulean tusk
Was scary if the mobs synced, purg procced and insta killed you at random. Instantly. On a hit you should live.
(Theory being, the value for instant death calculated in server tick and unmititgated)
Stagger em, and it never happened
grim pilot
it happened to me while I was piss geared in brh but not from melees
when I took everything at once after 3rd boss
and I didnt know back then
you can kite the tankbusters
the coups'
so I got all of them at once
cheat procced
cerulean tusk
In BRH - Not seen that this season, what level?
cerulean tusk
No, I mean, purg prices and kills you
grim pilot
I was like 430 and I didnt know how to play bdk
cerulean tusk
No purg value, it kills you
violet flume
wait the coups actually do damage? lmao
im too spoiled by prot warrior i guess
not that i noticed much damage on bear and paladin eitehr
cerulean tusk
I hate auto correct. Purg shouldn't proc, but does, and instantly kills you. Death in purg, in o.01 sec
Warr don't care
Warr bis
violet flume
always felt like DBM is trolling me with "Defensive" being spammed
"defensive what... im taking 0 damage"
cerulean tusk
DBM tells you to be ready, you already got shieldblock up, GG ez
violet flume
playing other tanks really make me realize how OP we are at blockable damage
other tanks just spike more
but i guess they have strnger selfheals
cerulean tusk
That be the reason warr is always op S1 of the expansion, if you can block the dam
violet flume
yeah
cerulean tusk
Then we get nerfed to the ground and back, while ppl pass what we were prenerf with gear
violet flume
like this dude's video tanking court of stars +20 fort with no plate armor equipped
cerulean tusk
That is false
cerulean tusk
I debunked it, he got pre-armor normalisation, he got a big shield, trinkies and tierset
Warrior stop catering after that
That is our strength
grim pilot
idk the higher I go the more I prefer fortified
violet flume
he literally showed his gear, youre saying he equipped it after showing?
cerulean tusk
Read what I wrote
grim pilot
is super fucking ass
ornate parcel
its just too easy to end up with a terrible pug on tyr week. i always end up soloing something with some idiot yelling WIPE at 5%
cerulean tusk
Armor is worth more early, and gets normalises
violet flume
ahh
grim pilot
its just too easy to end up with a terrible pug on tyr week. i always end up sol...
I meant because stuff hurts
you dont notice stuff hurts on lower keys
from bosses
my max brh tanked was 24 forti before
and I went into 28 tyra
and last boss hurt like mf
the bleed was nasty
violet flume
no tier set thou:
ornate parcel
oh yeah that's a fair point too
cerulean tusk
Ppl thanks to that vid called warr opop, while it was just flashy cheese that impressed those that don't understand warrior. Shield is all 
If we can block it
violet flume
yeah i agree
sometimes i do wish we could tkae some shield block power and put it in our other tools/passive DR and keep the same overall DR tho hah
or more DR... against magic and bleeds heh
cerulean tusk
Nah, I find it to be fine that ware is the block tank
Just need more dungs that support that
Like CoS
Death to auto correct correcting after I typed a new word...
I would like to see that VDH gets their CC chains reduced tho
Warr can't compete in a world with that
Maybe with colussus shockwave 
We will see
I doubt
ornate parcel
they do feel like theyre missing a bit of utility in comparison to the rest, with the exception of druid
violet flume
2x strenght rallying cry in 5man
i know when i swap to my other tanks
i do miss the raw amount of hard CC sometimes
but thats kinda niche i feel
especially since 3 of them are stuns so it's all DR
violet flume
yeah i play bear and protpal so thats alli really compare to
i know vdh has double 6sec aoe silence thats insane for sure
i really like all the support i provide as paladin
- divine shield cheese rough moments
cerulean tusk
8 sec, X2, with a AoE grip X2 and fear X2
violet flume
lmao
cerulean tusk
They can single handedly handle all the stops
ornate parcel
yeah you dont gotta take the useful stuff away, just give it to everybody, so we all profit 💰
cerulean tusk
Try VDH, invest, and go 3.7k Rio for "free"
cerulean tusk
Ya should try the new version, it does feel better
Dam is delayed, on sigils and bombs, but the control makes your paladin feel silly
ornate parcel
it does feel really good this season. i stopped at 2800 on mine though and started gearing alts lool. guild complains if i run raids with anything else though
guild lead is a diehard dh edgelord, so i gotta drink the koolaid or dps
cerulean tusk
BDK raid tank, VDH for m+, become the most wanted tank player this season
ornate parcel
i may go back to it after i finish with my warrior and disc priest. i want brew buffs.
and warrior buffs
dont kick me
cerulean tusk
@ admin plz kikk
ornate parcel
waxen quarry
i may go back to it after i finish with my warrior and disc priest. i want brew ...
fury prob tankier than brew
ornate parcel
it would feel better tanking anything over a 25 with fury its sitting on the bottom for almost every metric this season. trees clunky, set helped healing a little, but its still just not viable
which sucks because even with the 2342 buttons its fun to play
ornate parcel
im hoping that atleast one of them gets fixed before the new expansion, maybe blizz will get to us eventually
or ill get hit by a bus
whichever comes first
grim pilot
@strong forum @warm plinth @lusty grotto https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3y4XDVCn_0&ab_channel=Myrtuu乡
I was shitting my pants
the whole time
ionic fern
Why? 👀
Isn't Rezans free? Defensive for a bleed, if things get spicy spawn a raptor for IV.
ionic fern
Haah, Illidan.
grim pilot
so I pressed everything on first bleed
grim pilot
as u can see
I had 2 bleeds
that brought me down to 5-10%
tho I had stonescales ready
idk I expected it to hit more
I tanked a 28 tyra 2 weeks back and I was on comms with hpal that didnt know what shield wall is
I told her "sac me when I dont have shield wall ready"
she sacced me only when I pressed sw
so I had to take full natty bleeds w/o my shield wall
ionic fern
Oh, i gave up on that.
I just call for externals exactly when i need them.
ionic fern
lusty venture
hello Fellas ! got a little question, how do you sim the offensive value of the rageheart ? cant find the dot, nor the use https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qF2EMANVXtb6mK3XoAfcHV
grim pilot
shadowflame rage
lusty venture
oh jeez... thx ô great @grim pilot
was desperatly looking for rageheart icon for a good 5 min
grim pilot
some trinkets have different name in sim breakdowns
brand from smolderon also has different name
echo egret
I'm simming patcherk (5) 5mins at 273.5k. Same kind of item level (486.9). What can explain such a difference ?
ionic fern
Stats / Talents / Trinkets.
echo egret
Yup, I just wouldn't have expected a >10% difference.
ionic fern
Ya, he's also using BT which gives a temporary "oof" to the dps in 5 targets.
echo egret
Temporary as in « just for trash » ?
ionic fern
"Temporary" was probably a poor choice of word from my side.
It makes you want to Revenge more as it pumps up it's damage, but it comes at the cost of your Rage generators, SS/TC.
In the long run you will either be losing out on the Rage generated from SS/TC due to focusing on Revenge, or underutilizing Revenge to focus on your proper SS/TC rotation.
Remember that more rage = more AM/INdom value.
Especially with our current tier circle of IP procs Fervid for SS and which resets TC so often which generates Rage which allows for more IP.
blazing condor
thought you were memeing with this but turns out thats exactly what you could do
:susge:
waxen frigate
thought you were memeing with this but turns out thats exactly what you could do
The 30 fall?
waxen frigate
🧐
winged slate
Dude has never done prog raiding
wind oak
winged slate
It drives me crazy that blocking uses up shield durability
Flawless dungeon -> Shield is at 60%
hazy bronze
"Why is my shield block not working" 
lusty tiger
Crit saves u money 🧠
💯💯💯
hardy snow
absolutely disgusting
whats wrong about it?
blazing condor
It drives me crazy that blocking uses up shield durability
thematically makes sense i guess
all fun and games until your yellow shield turns red mid boss
winged slate
You guys pull when your gear is yellow?
winged slate
I guess if you have to, I see my gear getting low and get anxious
I'm the guy who needs to charge his phone once it hits 70%
winged slate
I keep some in our guild bank
thin silo
One time had my shield go yellow during a bossfight, so I used the BS hammer to repair it while soaking a swirly
Guildie noticed and called me out for it 😑
winged slate
I've traded a guildie mid fight for gold when his weapon broke
tribal wharf
i was reeeeeeing bucz i have master hammer and all pints forit
so i can avoid all repair costs if i remember to do it
pallid quiver
Auto-hammers exist. Always carry 5 of them just in caze
Don't need any auto hammers if you're a psychopathic repairer who will forcibly stop and repair at any given point
lusty tiger
Just be necrolord
hardy snow
i was reeeeeeing bucz i have master hammer and all pints forit
lol, didnt knew repair is such issue
tribal wharf
i like to pinch penny if i can
opal forum
EB sanguine so hard ._.
waxen frigate
Sanguine makes me want to not log in
Especially since I’ve been playing pala recently
opal forum
casters on every packs and 3 billions adds
warm plinth
Don't need any auto hammers if you're a psychopathic repairer who will forcibly ...
Tilting when people say their gear is broken in dungeons you can mount in
Like bruh I mount and repair after every death
dusky canopy
thought you were memeing with this but turns out thats exactly what you could do
HAH I told you it was happening bro!
I was totally memeing but turns out I may not be too far off
sick sentinel
Wait, so people were cheesing Torghast buffs?
echo egret
On top of the change of numbering, did they announce some difficulty buff for M+ in S4 ?
waxen frigate
On top of the change of numbering, did they announce some difficulty buff for M+...
There was a post on Tuesday
opal forum
i meann
echo egret
I know
opal forum
the shield break SO fast tho
waxen frigate
In some ways a difficulty buff but more of a rebalance of key levels and affix distribution
waxen frigate
I know
That’s the only thing they’ve said about M+ difficulty
For next season thus far
echo egret
So for now it's just a "rename".
tribal wharf
finally got one of those disk mounts
can be anime character or somethin, to bad its not green, but its hs so i get it
waxen frigate
So for now it's just a "rename".
If you think it’s just a rename I don’t think you read the article very well
echo egret
Right, so let me rephrase that.
Forgive me for wrong numbers, I don't remember well.
With the exact same ilevel, if I +20 was my average in end of S2, then +13 became my average at the start of S3.
With the exact same ilevel, if I +20 was my average in end of S3, I'm reading this will convert to +10 in season 4. Same gear, same mob HP/dmg in dungeons, just a difficulty "rename"
waxen frigate
You’re not reading it right
They’re cutting out 10 difficulty levels entirely
changing the relative key levels where affixes occur
Changing the way score is calculated
echo egret
Yes, but in terms of mobHP / damage ?
waxen frigate
What happened previously was you’d lose some key levels when the season started but 20s were mostly intended to be a similar difficulty
Across different seasons
Next season a +10 with max gear will be the equivalent to a current +20 with max gear
And a +9 will give you maximum vault rewards
tribal wharf
If you think it’s just a rename I don’t think you read the article very well
ya, it seems very placebo like to me
waxen frigate
I’m not going to respond to that because I will say something rude. We will see what happens.
tribal wharf
but its like, i'd rather be lied to about it than be told the truth and "theres nothing we can do"
at least if you are going to lie to me and tell me you cant come over to play nintendo make a good lie and say you had to go to the city with your mom and dad or some shit
you konw
echo egret
They’re cutting out 10 difficulty levels entirely
So if I'm reading you, if I was at ease in say +20s by the end of S3, I'll immediately start at ease in +10s in S4, then upwards as my gear progresses.
waxen frigate
So if I'm reading you, if I was at ease in say +20s by the end of S3, I'll immed...
No
If you were at ease in 20s at the start of s3, you’ll be at ease in 10s at the start of s4
tribal wharf
its like the rested experience system, originally it was longer you played you'd get less exp due to being exhausted and players said "THIS SUCKS I HATE IT" so it was literally just renamed to "rested exp" and it "recharges xp while offline, more in inn/city"
waxen frigate
If you’re at ease in 20s at the end of s3, you would presumably be at ease in 10s at the end of s4
echo egret
Then indeed there is a difficulty boost on top of a change of scale.
tribal wharf
and then its awww yahhhhh fuck ya bro i collected 2 whole levels of rested!!!!! holy shit!!!!
waxen frigate
Then *indeed* there is a difficulty boost on top of a change of scale.
Again they are just literally cutting out mythic 2-10
waxen frigate
And reducing current numbers accordingly
A mythic 0 next season (no timer, once a week) will be tuned to be the equivalent of a mythic 10 this season
In terms of mob Hp/damage
echo egret
Their graph seem to imply that vertically aligned dots will be at the same absolute difficulty.
You seem to imply they'll be at the same relative difficulty, which means there will be a difficulty boost as I initially suspected.
waxen frigate
That’s not anything new though
echo egret
theres a difficulty boost that comes with every season
But they made no mention of it for now, as far as I've seen ?
waxen frigate
This is basically increasing the starting difficulty
waxen frigate
But they made no mention of it for now, as far as I've seen ?
No need to mention something that is standard
tribal wharf
i still think that a mythic 0 should have (maybe just the option) to turn on only tyranical, or fortified (still works like now, its pre-determined, one or the other)
waxen frigate
Otherwise we’d be doing +60s
tribal wharf
but no other affix
waxen frigate
At this point
tribal wharf
you dont have any other affix and you dont have a timer still
echo egret
No need to mention something that is standard
When you (Blizz) are producing a GRAPH that seems to indicate the opposite, yes there is imo
urban portal
i think theres a comprehension issue
waxen frigate
^
tribal wharf
and its just, you get 1 item lvl bump for running the affix version maybe 2, so 3 or 6 ilvls
urban portal
the MAIN difference with the new system for us is that you can get mythic track gear without doing 3 affix dungeons