It's because keying with me scared you away huh
#protection
warm plinth
^
Any route is honestly fine. I'd avoid the middle pack this week but other than that it makes no difference. Right route is "safer" for pugs because there aren't as many kicks to coordinate but in reality AD timer is so free that you're gonna be fine til you get to Yazma (and then probably brick it) lol
errant leaf
plush tendon
Any route is honestly fine. I'd avoid the middle pack this week but other than ...
Ive been going left for so long... that right makes me scared XD
health bars dip on right and theres so much constant damage, left its either everyone is fine.... or everyone is dead
no inbetween
warm plinth
Yeah a lot of folks prefer left. It's fine until no one kicks mantle or purges the colossus
plush tendon
mantle isnt the scary thing
its fiery enchant
without soothe this week, weve been full nuking the augers first
warm plinth
Yeah but you can't kick fiery enchant if mantle goes off
plush tendon
true
echo egret
Whatever you will choose in a pug, you'll get insulted for not taking the other side.
grim pilot
Any route is honestly fine. I'd avoid the middle pack this week but other than ...
middle pack is good
on 26
it doesnt hurt enough to skip it
and you can chain lots of shit to it
right route is safer on lower keys, on higher right is kinda troll because it's lots and lots of dam
waxen frigate
Whatever you will choose in a pug, you'll get insulted for not taking the other ...
real
hasty fjord
right route is safer on lower keys, on higher right is kinda troll because it's ...
Hmm interesting if you save the totem till after witch is dead then its not that big an issue, or at least that is what I have found. Yes I know you may not be damaging the big guy but you also dont have to keep moving for all the pools of green either. Just something I personally like and attempt to tell others I play take out spell caster then totem and easy.
hardy snow
best pull so far, soon it will be down 
jagged pier
pine cosmos
look at this
jagged pier
it is a sword of all time
warm plinth
middle pack is good
I guess if the healer is ready for it. Our healer was caught off guard by the damage in a24
pale karma
Whatever you will choose in a pug, you'll get insulted for not taking the other ...
Above 23 is increasingly quite toxic. Everybody has their opinion or strats from their +28 mains. Or better yet, pull extra to help you out.
People stress me out more than the key itself.
somber stirrup
Apologgies if this is the wrong place to ask. New to Prot, and I need more gear. Was thinking of getting crafted sword + shield. Except "Of the Fireflash", are there any recommended embellishments?
warm plinth
Fireflash is a missive, not an embellishment. For embellishments, you'd want shadowflame armor patch x2, ideally on wrist/cloak
somber stirrup
Ofc, I was a little unclear there. Cheers!
tribal wharf
fire flash is code name for "garunteed to havex and y secondaries" noema.ly found on dropped or crafted gear
and so if you know them and what of the aurora, resounding means, makes it easy to search for gems for sockets, greens to equip gearing leveling
its mostly useless knowledge
left basalt
Fireflash is a missive, not an embellishment. For embellishments, you'd want sh...
Can I DM you a log and you tell me what im doing good/bad?
grim pilot
@strong forum
pala only died because he bursted too big and I lost agro xd
on some small pack
grim pilot
yeah I'm tanking
because
that's the best role to carry keys
whenever I need to do homework 26-28 key usually I'm tanking
sadly cant carry 27 fall with only 12 deaths
same timer like in 28 fall with 37 deaths
xd
lusty grotto
yo nome
what are the lust timings on the EB route you keep posting
1st pull? its up for witherbark
or save for trash/council after witherbark?
im guessing 1st pull / witherbark / 3 mages?
for fort week?
grim pilot
depends on your timer
but usually
you'd send it on pull after writherbark
eb is 3lust dungeon
lusty grotto
yeah i figured that was the case
grim pilot
unless you'd have to hold forever
lusty grotto
we had super bad luck with patrols
grim pilot
which usually means key is over
also a change you can make if you want
is do pull 8 as pull 2
lusty grotto
3x stingers just fucking us over
grim pilot
and then have no more trash
I can send you my route I did in 28
we ahd only 1 dispel
so I changed the route a bit
lusty grotto
id be interested
im just spoiled by the lock route
was so comfy if no council shenanigans
grim pilot
grim pilot
u can skip the petals in pull 1
in left bottom corner
and take it with pull 2 if too much
just grab the stinger
so you dont have triple stingers later
and you can get to pull 3 from pull 2 without invis
stingers wont attack you
not many people know this so I prefered to say
I didnt know till nome said so in our 4war 26
lusty grotto
yeah i know its jsut these fuckers patroling on the wrong place at the wrong time
just unfortunate
lusty grotto
they got body pulled is what i meant
either way route was fine
we wiped on council, our rdruid couldn't keep up
but we had a scuffed group anyway
no real lust, drums
boomy sp ret
me and rdruid
so i dont blame him
anyway i thought the stingers just dont pull due to z-axis ?
molten pollen
warm plinth
Technically we recommend around 22-25% mastery but it's like your last priority
And it's not something you need to stress about if you don't get it
You get pretty close to that just from tier pieces and shit iirc
lusty grotto
grim pilot
Technically we recommend around 22-25% mastery but it's like your last priority
mhm really
did not know
that thats what sims follow
warm plinth
It's not a sim thing. It's just a sweet spot for crit block iirc?
lusty grotto
you get it from haste mastery helm anywya
warm plinth
Yeah 22-25% is only like...1400 mastery or something like that
Because I think we have 12% base
and I have 34.32% with 2678 rating
grim pilot
is there any math behind this
that that's the best def spot
sorry, there probably is
I meant to say do u know the math behind this
warm plinth
@strong forum what's the dealio w/ the 22-25% mastery thing
pallid quiver
Loose idea is that you get more value from compounding different sources of defensivesness rather than stacking just one, but if Nome chips in, he can give you a whole run down better than I could
warm plinth
I'm sure he's probably the one that did the math anyway
waxen frigate
Technically we recommend around 22-25% mastery but it's like your last priority
Coming in at 32.33% repeating, of course, after my uh… numbers crunch.
It’s a little more than we usually do but it should be okay
warm plinth
Well that's a lot better than last time
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> what's the dealio w/ the 22-25% mastery thing
efficiency
with investing barely any mastery you increase your critblock chance by 33%
pallid quiver
Excellent, the big man himself with the big word
dammit i was too slow
strong forum
aka from 15 to 20%, is fuckall investment of mastery, but HUGE return value
warm plinth
and is basically incidental
strong forum
well i came up with this during SL
cuz i had too little mastery
so i played around a little
cuz only a 15% chance to critblock is really fucking bad
and so yeah, with extremely little investment into mastery you get huge defensive gains out of it
pallid quiver
Yeah, it's better if it's flat like 20 or 30 so you can count which hits you'll crit block better 🙂
this is a shit post for legal reasons
warm plinth
Blizzard please, do we really need all 16 dps to start the fucking lfr
strong forum
but yeah rn you basically get those for free from tier/gholak
pallid quiver
Blizzard please, do we really need all 16 dps to start the fucking lfr
You're missing an extra 3 on top of the 2 missing
Since they just dipped entirely
waxen frigate
xdd
lusty grotto
jesus fucking christ i just need 1 more key
waxen frigate
What key level
waxen frigate
lmao
grim pilot
had a guy today that said key is over
12 mins left
4 dominators pull
2 bosses
and 1 more pull
we had 2 mins left
that key is so fucking free
lusty grotto
this guy is 3.1k rating
fucking mages i hate them
like 3.1 isnt even high but shit
you should know its a more than timeable key
median tulip
When that happens it's almost always the guy with the fewest interrupts/dispels/etc
lusty grotto
yeah for real
median tulip
rio is not a useful metric; so many people get carried
grim pilot
because he kept dispelling chronoburst
lusty grotto
im just fucking annoyed at all the leavers on timeable keys
its been
very common in the last few weeks
like not hopium timeable
literally timeable by a considerable margin
pallid quiver
You get a lot of rage quitters later in to the season. And never understimate a rage quitter's quitting ability
median tulip
I haven't noticed that many more over here in the EU. Just more bad people doing 18-20s
Isn't it some holiday period in the US?
pallid quiver
it's actually just me, i have 500 alternate accounts that intentionally brick nim keys
median tulip
Mind you I have basically given up on pushing now. Been playing my Surv Hunter Alt
warm plinth
ok bedge time, gn frens
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
gn ghash
warm plinth
but I gotta work
pallid quiver
ONLY NIGHT
lusty grotto
sweet dreams sweet prince
warm plinth
pallid quiver
Have dream
median tulip
night
warm plinth
lol
pallid quiver
It just is dream
maiden ravine
Got my 2500 on prot warrior, yay for being done. If I had confirmation portals would be account wide with Warbands I'd care about 20s
lusty grotto
Got my 2500 on prot warrior, yay for being done. If I had confirmation portals w...
it wont be retroactive
just moving forward
good morning
hmm actually not sure
i dont know where i read it wont be retroactive
they've only said "yes"
compact palm
Get them anyway there's only warrior do not stray from the zug
lusty grotto
tribal wharf
Got my 2500 on prot warrior, yay for being done. If I had confirmation portals w...
holy fuck, so im literally not alone in this feeling lmao
couldnt give a fuck less about doing 20s, for portals, cuz they arent account wide
cuz, if i can run a 20 of that dungeon, i probably got all the armor type/weapon appearances i care about out of that dungeon....
so, why would i ever give a shit about wanting to tp to it on just that character besides save time to get there to run keystone later
waxen frigate
so, why would i ever give a shit about wanting to tp to it on just that characte...
That’s quite literally exactly why
The new portal room kinda makes it useless tho
tribal wharf
11.0 waiting room
im bored as fuck with wow and sub is running out this month, dont do anything besides collect war resources and run wcm :S
might lapse :S
just going through motions on wow lately
waxen frigate
Why are you running so much waycrest
warm plinth
I'd be bored too if I just ran the same dungeon over and over and over and over and over and over
tribal wharf
cuz, i cant be bothered wiping
and coming in here crying about it any more
i've played that game too long and i dont give a fuck about playing it no more
its, the soup kitchen, garunteed rewards for no real work
thats the real answer i wanted to get down to brass tax here
its not filling but its something
too much high chance of other keys fucking up and bricking for me.
tribal wharf
theres only a handful of useful 483 heros i can really farm
so everything else comes out of the vault
wcm is the easiest for me
so i spam wcm
urban bane
doing exclusively easy things sounds like a pretty boring approach to fun, imo.
tribal wharf
better than trying to run 18-20 dht/brh/thrones that i dont know and then come here crying when they brick
everyones tired of that too
tribal wharf
so its, i cant fuckin win either way unless "git gud kid"
hardy snow
better than trying to run 18-20 dht/brh/thrones that i dont know and then come h...
if you dont know dungeon, you dont have to run 18-20, you can go to 15-16 to learn and practice
tribal wharf
i dunno ya, lol, hopefully more shooter games or something else comes out 2024
warcraft been testing my patience for a while now basically all it is
graceful cobalt
how much Crit/Versa i should have? actually i have 26%crit 46%haste and 21%versa(with flask arround 26%) can switch a ring to krit that i get 32%crit
lusty grotto
stats arent goal posts
so whatever you feel is best
i personally would go for crit
🤷
whatever sims best
dusky canopy
how much Crit/Versa i should have? actually i have 26%crit 46%haste and 21%versa...
You need 46% Crit and 41% haste otherwise tank busters one shot you everytime
lusty grotto
LOL
dusky canopy
blazing condor
waxen frigate
You need 46% Crit and 41% haste otherwise tank busters one shot you everytime
8% vers at least
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
waxen frigate
If you dont have 82% haste, you wont have 100% SB uptime, and you die
I don’t use SB don’t need to I have enough vers
cerulean tusk
We got the 82% club vs the 100% versa club
who will win the battle of mitigation to survive m+2
waxen frigate
sad part is you know there are mongos that do that
Oh I do
lusty grotto
whichever can butt tank for the longest
waxen frigate
If you go versa build, you also aim to go for WW build?
What other build is there
lusty grotto
of course
waxen frigate
I’m gonna do something cursed when I get home
lusty grotto
go on...
cerulean tusk
WW pumps in M+ tho, so happy spinning
blazing condor
cerulean tusk
When admins spot this, they gonna ban me, remember me - for I died for 
being too OP and kept in the dark
waxen frigate
I will only use revenge when it procs
I will not press shield block
I will only pull things with heroic throw and body pulling
lusty grotto
we closer to becoming plate bears
waxen frigate
I will sit and eat between pulls until I’m full hp
lusty grotto
cerulean tusk
I dislike that you take avatar over Roar, you need roar for tierset after all :^)
Also, why take shieldcharge, when you can take ravager - that is basically WW+
lusty grotto
the important part is he took BSV
cerulean tusk
I dont even know what the warrior cheat death is called ._.
All I know is that it keeps proccing when I am at 90% health
it keeps saving my life on CD, great talent
waxen frigate
Also, why take shieldcharge, when you can take ravager - that is basically WW+
Ravager Dps button shield charge tank button
I’m a tank
cerulean tusk
Lies, ravager is DCD, as it grants parry
waxen frigate
Parry is rng
cerulean tusk
Get double charge ravager, for max parry uptime
waxen frigate
I don’t want rng stats
waxen frigate
Yes it is… 😠
cerulean tusk
ya nob
waxen frigate
Crit is a Dps stat
cerulean tusk
Crit is parry
cerulean tusk
Nuh-uh
waxen frigate
I’m a warrior I tank with my sword and shield
waxen frigate
cerulean tusk
Warrior only use parry
Man, think I am gonna tank someone's key with a twohander, and just full parry build
I can WW so I will be fine
lusty tiger
Mastery only
waxen frigate
Stop gaslighting me
cerulean tusk
Nah, it is only RNG if you dont max it
waxen frigate
Jeree crush his skull
lusty tiger
💀
cerulean tusk
You guys are the type who don't use boats, as boats sink when not completed.
lusty tiger
🩼
cerulean tusk
Crit is the boat, you need 100% for it to float
lusty tiger
0%
cerulean tusk
0%? what ya gonna do? Swim!
lusty tiger
I don’t even want a chance of doing dps
lusty tiger
I go Stam trinkets
waxen frigate
Stam flask
lusty tiger
^
cerulean tusk
Why does that hurt more than 2hander prot?
lusty grotto
hey where is that guy
that kept bitching
about tank trinkets
and the ONE season we get a banger called rageheart
he quits or something idk lol
lusty grotto
true and real
violet ginkgo
and the ONE season we get a banger called rageheart
This trinket already saved my life lots of times when tanking.
lusty grotto
just pop those stam gems in Funky
lusty grotto
blasphemy
cerulean tusk
100% crit baby
lusty grotto
100% stam
violet ginkgo
need that gholak proc to be crit while enemy is above 90%
cerulean tusk
100% parry, 2hander to parry with, WW for AoE and rend spam for ST. I will be a god
lusty grotto
gholak harms you
no bueno for a real tank
self damage is yucky
ok thats it for my meme'ing
cerulean tusk
Just to make it 100% clear: we meme'ing, don't try this at home
lusty grotto
i gotta fucking bang my head on the dumbass return of this stupid garbage crunch up minigame in Rebirth
tribal wharf
strong forum
even the bot knows its a shit button
cerulean tusk
even the bot knows its a shit button
blazing condor
🤓 ☝️ um actually i believe the bot reacted on the over-use of emotes
lusty grotto
blazing condor
what happened to roach
jagged pier
nope
he kept talking about politcs when asked to stop
he got timed out
he left of his own accord
blazing condor
well then
tribal wharf
oh, i thought he was exterminated
blazing condor
jakey are you still playing
jagged pier
yes
blazing condor
when yall getting fyrakk
jagged pier
🤷
blazing condor
👎
violet ginkgo
Nuh the roach is gone!? oh well
tribal wharf
damn logo
im not necessarily trying to dunk on evokers here, but this feels like it fits wow evokers a bit :S, random thing i found scrolling
whole frame was bothering me, still does, not further editing
winged slate
Giga long maint wat
winged slate
That's cope, I wish
blazing condor
hope u got the shockwave talents going
waxen frigate
Show class tree
waxen frigate
Does revenge require a 1h
cerulean tusk
yep
waxen frigate
Also no shockwave smh
cerulean tusk
I got shockwave
urban portal
oh is this the 2h prot warrior build
waxen frigate
Lmao
cerulean tusk
But how am I gonna heal during my 100% parry without it?
urban portal
go spear+roar
cerulean tusk
Also, look at
cerulean tusk
Nah, I am gonna clap
clap clap clap
If I get to execute phase tho
big dam
look at this base dam
cerulean tusk
I am getting declined from +2s 
Just wanna see if my binds works and that jazz, let me in, let me iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin
waxen frigate
I am getting declined from +2s <:sadge:820202363359854633>
Lmao
No shot you’re 486 and they decline from a 2 period
violet ginkgo
No shot you’re 486 and they decline from a 2 period
They need 489 with 3k io for +2
urban portal
Just wanna see if my binds works and that jazz, let me in, let me iiiiiiiiiiiiii...
are you applying as arms and swapping
or are you trynna tank with 2h
waxen quarry
tribal wharf
wtb 489 ad weapon from vault
instead of cleaver
that or whatever the good dungeon shield is
that or ilvl any slot
red otter
They need 489 with 3k io for +2 <:keks:936231610850897992>
This but unironically
jagged pier
Time to go higher keylevel, so maybe I get some rage from getting hit
Thats standard now
Youll get more because stuff takes longer to die
grim pilot
No shot you’re 486 and they decline from a 2 period
they may be just afraid you'll leave
I've met some people who are 2,8k-2,9-3k player and they dont want to invite people too high rio for a key
lusty grotto
Funky taking the meme to a seriously concerning level
Yeah just put farming for crests or something
urban portal
seems pretty bis
21% of damage from leggo
as good as the 20% someone posted a while back
tribal wharf
too many ppl die to kicks not going off and you wiped to something?
"tank your route sucks"
REFUSES TO EXPLAIN
immediately leaves group in anger upon completion
every time
violet ginkgo
immediately leaves group in anger upon completion
Oh I got this incident earlier ret pally accidentally somehow press taunt, got mob aggro > Dead > instaleave.
I am not the one tanking though was playing hunter
cerulean tusk
Funky taking the meme to a seriously concerning level
urban portal
fug
cerulean tusk
I just reached the problem of - if there aint enough dudes hitting you, I am ragestarved af
But when I execute spam, big dam
200k executes ramp up dps fast
😠
tribal wharf
im too dumb to play warrior in classic
cerulean tusk
Nah, just that the 2h hits so extremely slowly
tribal wharf
so i play paladin or rogue
cerulean tusk
rav does cower rage needed during the duration, but kinda stuck
tribal wharf
depending if i want to heal/tank/rez or deal tons of dmg
urban portal
oh run shield charge
and battering ram
thats attack speed
you have to drop the dogshit ravager talents though
tribal wharf
i don't like warlock overly no shaman, no mage, maybe hunter, maybe priest
cerulean tusk
you have to drop the dogshit ravager talents though
Shieldcharge requires a shield
tribal wharf
i like rogue due to permanent stealth and permanent build towards deal melee dmg
so your not thinking about healing spells
tribal wharf
play rogue
40% increased attack speed on DW weapon
its one of those things when it works, it works so well your, wtf that was crazy eassy
also rogue anything melee dmg buff at all from other players and world buffs potions etc, can scale to monster
median tulip
strong forum
good title change to the post
cerulean tusk
Aight, I am sad to say, 2hand prot warr doesn't work due to RPS issues on bosses.
Now, the new m+ system and squish, I like it. Especially that they allow some none-timed content to be viable for longer
cerulean tusk
Why would anyone be malding? Seems like just a nice change?
tribal wharf
im saying new players/ casual will try it and get decimated lol
wind oak
im saying new players/ casual will try it and get decimated lol
its gonna be easy anyway
tribal wharf
overall im excited though, glutton for punishment in terms of video games
cerulean tusk
its gonna be easy anyway
For us
cerulean tusk
Timmy will get to learn the basics in LFG content - get geared, then get all the time in the world to learn the content in m0
When Timmy goes to M+, Timmy knows what things does and isnt stressed by tick tock goes the clock
violet ginkgo
do we translate this as s4 Mythic dungeon will be all the DF dungeon? or nah just few DF and mixed with old expansion?
fallow nova
How much better is prophetic stonescales than ursine vengeance?
strong forum
How much better is prophetic stonescales than ursine vengeance?
you cant quantify that
strong forum
do we translate this as s4 Mythic dungeon will be all the DF dungeon? or nah jus...
all df dungeons
none of the old ones
fallow nova
Rephrase: what would you recommend?
violet ginkgo
Rephrase: what would you recommend?
Rageheart.
wind oak
but we have 9 DF dungeon
fallow nova
Wish my vault had that lol
strong forum
no dawn
fallow nova
Between prophetic and ursine
violet ginkgo
I think prophetic is just "2nd life" if you oopsie, but if you don't do oopsie then ursine is better
fallow nova
That was my thinking. It's recommended as bis on wowhead, but unless I'm actively getting killed, it doesn't seem like I'd really want it forever
And I don't really plan on trying to push title or anything on this toon
waxen frigate
It’s bis if you truly need it, not good if you don’t
fallow nova
Just looking for insight since y'all have more time in prot than I do
fallow nova
It’s bis if you truly need it, not good if you don’t
Makes sense
tribal wharf
the main thing is, its gotta be hard because mechanics and not because dmg sponge or the polar opposite, hes too weak and dies in 38 seconds
"you died becuase you suck" is the type of gameplay i enjoy
violet ginkgo
Just looking for insight since y'all have more time in prot than I do
Well I mean... I believe eventually you will get rageheart (believe in luck!) and replace the ursine/prophetic.
I'd say just take ursine, I mean technically speaking it will be active most of the time, meanwhile prophetic is....how many times do you expect to "oopsie" in 1 run?
fallow nova
Yeah, that's what I just went with
I'm always mixed on whether I want to tank on my war or pally. With pally, I feel more self-sufficient and can carry pugs a lot more easily with int/utility and such. With war I don't have all of that, but that also leaves me free to focus more on just what I need to do.
warm plinth
No dawn is nice
fallow nova
Plus, nothing crunches like shield charge
violet ginkgo
Well prot war is kind tough too in a way... lots of mitigation, you just need someone to heal you properly, your damage intake is really not spiky at all assuming you pop defensive at right time.
cerulean tusk
Prot warr is all fun and chill, till the magic damage and DoT hits
chilly brook
ohhh 522 gear
Huh?
cerulean tusk
s4, got ya
Kinda wish that our old gear at least skipped us into champion track
Never been a fan of having to regear from scratch
median tulip
Frankly Heroic dungeons getting harder is good, because right now they are a complete joke of speedrun content and newbies cannot learn in them
warm plinth
Yeah I like that change
warm plinth
Nah it won't really affect pushers at all
fallow nova
I feel like notching things up for players who don't want to do timed content is a fine change. No more dawn makes me happy.
warm plinth
I do think we should either get 40% bonus back or it should start at +5 though
chilly brook
hopefully end result is positive
fallow nova
I do wonder if there will still be just as much of a barrier to entry going from a m0 to a +2-4
warm plinth
Because you're going to do lower key levels which means a lot less loot
left basalt
Because you're going to do lower key levels which means a lot less loot
I did DM you some logs, thank you.
warm plinth
Yeah I haven't had a chance to look at them yet. On my agenda when I get home from work though
left basalt
Tyvm
median tulip
it doesn't really affect us
Much better for Alts
tribal wharf
okay, so i screwed my self
i think
i didnt know what runes does
and apparently its landlines
waxen quarry
That was my thinking. It's recommended as bis on wowhead, but unless I'm activel...
all it takes for prophetic to be bis is a single important save
if u are doing keys where u can die
and where u do die
then run prophetic
if not run anything else
shrewd elm
How is prot faring in pugs?
jagged pier
fine
urban portal
good
dusky canopy
Falls over dead after +7
urban portal
need vers
deft hinge
i am on plane mid flight, what to do? yeah check prot warr disc, something always happens here. If this plain is going down im gonna pop SW. Just gotta time that short SW window before hittin the ground
waxen quarry
vers 🤢
waxen quarry
more haste > less haste
warm plinth
I did a torghast run the other day to help a friend get a point and at one point had like 75% of all 4 stats
dusky canopy
Torghast is the tech
Get summoned to M+ key after all buffs in torghast
They don’t fall off trust
blazing condor
Surely
But only if you get summoned at the last floor of the last wing
After beating every other wing in the same sitting
wraith quiver
kk ty
tribal wharf
speed shoulders same ilvl or chest ilvl +
pants = shit
imma go chest cuz it saves at transmog machine charge
cinder storm
I'm curious about next season, I have a feeling it will suck hard for pwars, but I hope not so I can have even more reason to play wow again
waxen quarry
speed shoulders same ilvl or chest ilvl +
tertiaries are never worth
ilvl
unless u absolutely need avoidance or somethgin
in 32s
and thats something that dpses do not tanks
misty swallow
Quick questions as im new here, is pips good for prot?
karmic plinth
Quick questions as im new here, is pips good for prot?
not one of our best options
blazing condor
Quick questions as im new here, is pips good for prot?
its fine
but you ideally want other raid trinkets
misty swallow
Yeah thank you for that. It just replaced a champion mirror and my other trinket is Rezans, obviously not very defenesive trinkets but I was playing arms mainly until last week
karmic plinth
rezans + pips is not the worst combo at least
warm plinth
wrong trinket
jagged gust
more haste > less haste
I did a review for someone yesterday, said "Don't mind my haste, I'm currently swapping from prot to fury"
He had 10,800 haste
waxen quarry
based
jagged gust
He doesn't need bloodlust, he IS bloodlust.
my bad, it was only 10,134
far more reasonable
waxen quarry
do not give that man necro banner
tribal wharf
necro banner.....................................................................................
shouldnt be ressurected
id prefer if banner was a thing that just procced and if it did proc you could play it corrrectly for 100% uptime
i dunno, banner was a bit weird
flashbacks.gif
void slap
also death whatever the hell
but void slap moer
jagged gust
Man I fucking loathe that dungeon
tribal wharf
just void slap and death whatever
and the spiders and bat, final boss
everything else ez
cinder storm
Banner was actually the most fun I've ever had, aside from random nzoth death ray
waxen frigate
i dunno, banner was a bit weird
It was a very high skill requirement ability
And I think that’s why it will never return
It was just too difficult for the player base
Even if the people who could play it properly loved it
pallid quiver
I didn't really think banner was interesting enough to be worth bringing back, myself, but I wouldn't argue
hardy snow
It was a very high skill requirement ability
it was very high skill requirement to keep it 100% up, but you could still play it even with downtimes
hardy snow
we all do
I remember Nome once posted graphic of spec talent tree with ravager replaced with banner - thats imo best change Blizz could do for us, get rid of stupid ravager, give us banner
tribal wharf
condemn is the best one ever
cuz its execute off the start of the fight when you have all potions, full hp, everyone has cooldowns
and it basically reads ignore mechanics and execute
oak ivy
Does block value on shields actually mean anything or is it just a remnant from ye olden times
urban portal
it means a lot
oak ivy
Just got my first spark of dreams, first time touching this toon this season, am i trolling if i upgrade my shield bcuz im a coward who wants to prioritize tanky >>>> otherwise
or would upgrading something else translate to a higher increase in beef
lusty grotto
block value is the reason we recommend HIGH ILVL shield first and foremost
its the only piece of gear you can get with it
and the only other modifier for it is a talent
higher ilvl means more block value
so higher ilvl shield is always better regardless of stats
oak ivy
is the formula known or just a noticeable phenomenon
urban portal
its a well known formula
warm plinth
Block formula ^
K is a value assigned by Blizzard that changes based on the difficulty of the content you're currently doing.
They are not shared by Blizzard; to my knowledge, the TCs generally just find it themselves. But they don't really share it because it really doesn't matter
oak ivy
So going from 10700 Block value to 14250 is a very good thing i should do rn
lusty grotto
100
oak ivy
🫡
lusty grotto
like i said
warm plinth
yes, because both sources of additional block from talents are multiplicative.
violet ginkgo
so higher ilvl shield is always better regardless of stats
And I have not been lucky with the myth track shield from vault.
lusty grotto
block value is the reason we recommend HIGH ILVL shield first and foremost
this
oak ivy
I used to get absolutely annihilated in chat for my shield being my first upgraded, figured I'd ask way too late to make sure it's the play
warm plinth
lusty grotto
I used to get absolutely annihilated in chat for my shield being my first upgrad...
idk how long youve been gone
but
shield first has been a thing
since BFA
im pretty sure since legion too
oak ivy
ok my friends mightve just been dumb cuz ive only been gone since like the beginning of this season
warm plinth
Well, considering a non-trivial amount of people who actually play this spec are dumb...
hardy snow
im pretty sure since legion too
In Legion we had artifact 😄
warm plinth
I'm sure people who don't are moreso
solemn current
Some people seem to think it has the same value as an offhand for other specs. Those people would be wrong though.
lusty grotto
In Legion we had artifact 😄
sigh yeah im dumb
warm plinth
silly Nim, Trix are for kids
oak ivy
ok time to go break the thing in thanks guys
violet ginkgo
Legendary shield plz
jagged gust
Well, considering a non-trivial amount of people who actually play this spec are...
I was using Shield Wall when I first started to make up for when SB dropped (I did not have shield charge talented)
I think it was Jakey who had to hold my hand to teach me to not be utter shite
warm plinth
Did it work
jagged gust
In like 1 season I went from pugging normals and parsing sub 10 to parsing 80s in mythic S2
So I'd like to think so
Prot discord helped show me the light
lusty grotto
chilly brook
Prot discord helped show me the light
warm plinth
@lusty grotto Good thing I paid to reserve it
warm plinth
tyty
hoary gate
I got beginners luck today, got that rage heart trinket in my vault- 483 lol already upgraded it, it's amazing!
hoary gate
@warm plinth btw you helped me this weekend with my logs, pulled over 100k in two mythics +18/20 never done that before
violet ginkgo
<@131897531251556352> Good thing I paid to reserve it <:keks:936231610850897992>
Whoa win with roll 3 
Grats will. No one think to roll as tank spec?
lusty grotto
people in normal usually go for auguries
at least in my experience late in the season
ionic fern
<@131897531251556352> Good thing I paid to reserve it <:keks:936231610850897992>
Gratz.
torn gulch
i guess im stuck with forever normal rageheart
it's ok next season we'll just coin it
on heroic
hardy snow
another week with no heroic signet in vault
opal forum
might sound stupid but we are 100% sure that gholak 483 is better then anything else at 489 right?
dry lily
If you're not 100% sure you can always sim it
waxen frigate
^
opal forum
hard to sim that weapon with the unique passive
dry lily
hard to sim that weapon with the unique passive
Sim it against another weapon you have in your bag for top gear
opal forum
the 400% dmg increase vs 90% hp dosent mess with the sim?
waxen frigate
No
dry lily
Should be included in the sim
waxen frigate
How do you think sims handle stuff like execute lol
opal forum
idk i litteraly just asked a simple question
waxen frigate
idk i litteraly just asked a simple question
I know
But yeah the sim accounts for all of that
In rare cases where there’s a bug/“sim bait” like that it’s usually widely spread information and there are attempts made to fix it
tribal wharf
is it just my imagination, or is the mythic dungeon changes basically a placebo effect?
tribal wharf
feels like at first glance "always were"
waxen frigate
is it just my imagination, or is the mythic dungeon changes basically a placebo ...
It’s not relevant for push keys but it’s very relevant for low key prog
lusty grotto
its less time consuming
way less time consuming
and it promotes participation at lower level
waxen frigate
^
tribal wharf
i think what would be nice in these untimed dungeons is it says at the end of the run "You would have timed this run if it was a timed key!"
lusty grotto
casuals either
lusty grotto
0 to 10 has no timers
tribal wharf
it doesnt display timer but if you do well it shows that message that you could have, and probably should be, pushing onto new stuff
waxen frigate
i didnt get the part about removed timers
It’s for 0s
waxen frigate
0 to 10 has no timers
No
blazing condor
0s never had timrs
waxen frigate
Current 0-10
waxen frigate
Which is being squished into 0s
tribal wharf
im not saying add a timer, just a fake timer that tracks real time in the dungeon, there is no penalty time added if you die
like hidden timer
blazing condor
is +2 still harder than a +0 then or is that the trade-off
no timer but harder dungeon
aka like mega dungs
tribal wharf
hidden timer that doesnt actually matter
lusty grotto
yeah there's still scaling dog
its just okay since no timer
yogi, that's not needed for 0s
just do a 5 or a 10 if you wanna see it
tribal wharf
i also think that those 0's should by default always have tyranical or fortified on
cuz those are tame
and its not always exactly the same, give players better idea of trash mechanics and boss mechanics to learn and worry about
lusty grotto
they have the biggest impact in keys
tribal wharf
thats the most basic "difficulty" possible
tribal wharf
i don't think it should be easy necessarily, but more tame until you chose to enter the colluseum
compact palm
Tame=controled
tribal wharf
tame as in it doesnt instantly leap at you and tear your heart out
lusty grotto
you're just bringing random stuff into that's not needed
i mean it does
its big scaling
added on top
tribal wharf
not that i cant find a way to corner and kill the bear
that might be hard, but its not tame
i hope that made sense
lusty grotto
you get both timers and fort/tyr on +2s
if you put them in a 0
youre just pushing just about everything that defines mythic + on a non-mythic plus dungeon
might as well just eliminate mythic 0 if that's the case
which is what they do NOT want to do
because its a bad idea
tribal wharf
not a real timer in 0, its completely hidden and only suggest hey you can do better content
compact palm
Just do /timer
lusty grotto
yeah idk
tribal wharf
i dunno, how do you learn that you HAVE to kick infected thorns on fortified week +20, you do the key and then you see the thorns instantly nuke your party mate
you see what i mean?
hardy snow
i dunno, how do you learn that you HAVE to kick infected thorns on fortified wee...
how you learn? simple, you dont kick it once, somebody dies to that and by that you see that it needs to be interrupted
warm plinth
Whoa win with roll 3 <:xan:1094127979703062558>
Grats will. No one think to rol...
It was a boost. I paid for it to be reserved for me.
hardy snow
It was a boost. I paid for it to be reserved for me.
Is it even worth paying for such trinket at current state of season?
warm plinth
It's worth it to me 🤷♂️ got nothing else to spend gold on that I care about
lusty grotto
yeah idk, if youve been like me that you havent gotten the myth versions yet
at some point you start to think about it cause holy shit
warm plinth
Only took me two weeks
To get gholak and rageheart
Didn't have to reserve gholak though. No one rolled on it but me. Even last night it dropped and only one dude rolled lol
lusty grotto
i got gholak last month didnt i? how many months was that into the season
warm plinth
Yeah and you were actually raiding
lusty grotto
and i got normal hero track rageheart what? 2 weeks ago?
its rough when rng just bends you over for months
lusty grotto
we'll be in tswift soon
our short pulls on smoldy have been productive
like nobody really fucks bombs
its just min maxing baits
also im tanking it tonight 😄
warm plinth
I got signet in the same run as gholak kekwhands
I don't really like it though :/
I cba minmaxing it
lusty grotto
i like it better than anvil
warm plinth
I liked anvil because I had some agency in between pulls to maintain it
Without having to use a toy or a critter
hardy snow
I liked anvil, signet im using only for raid tho
lusty grotto
thats a good point, i just rather not bother clicking it
hardy snow
in S4 I will aim for augury+anvil for raid probably
lusty grotto
i have other things to think about than just refreshing etc
warm plinth
Yeah I might go for augury next
lusty grotto
i just rather minimize mental toll
warm plinth
And use augury and rageheart
You know I just had a thought
I wonder if my specless toon is even capable of need rolling aside from jewelry and weapons lol
waxen frigate
Your what
lusty grotto
nish doesnt know
warm plinth
🙂
hardy snow
I wonder if my specless toon is even capable of need rolling aside from jewelry ...
Perhaps it will be rolled need for offspec? 🤔
cerulean tusk
I am sorry to say operation 2hander Prot Tank will be on hold. Not fun trying to do fun things during sanguine week, I just wanna masspull and zugzug 
lusty grotto
compact palm
Just masspull anyway and pad on mobs taking a bath
warm plinth
I'd think yogi would have no trouble with sanguine as much as he moves while tanking
❤️
pallid quiver
Should troll by doing lfr lol
Shiiiiit, I'd like to find out. I can queue in as a healer on my Shaman to help drop queue time if you do give it a roll
tribal wharf
i move even more playing boomer shooters
thats partly where the jumping consantly comes from
warm plinth
Shiiiiit, I'd like to find out. I can queue in as a healer on my Shaman to help ...
Heals is all I can queue as anyway
tribal wharf
my main strategies in boomer shooter are pull to choke point, bunny hopping, door fighting (exactly what it sounds like, involves using doors for LOS)
pallid quiver
Yeah, that's 2 of the slots taken care of
because lfr struggles with finding healers
warm plinth
Ah okay
tribal wharf
or like pillars or 90 degree corners or rooftops/lower areas
basically, any advantage i can find and really push
pallid quiver
combination of a lot of people casually tanking/practicing tanking and the average "imma just dps and afk" for dps
tribal wharf
like in bolt gun, i would often find a nice little spot with geomtry that allowed me to fight well
like in a stair well or some cubby hole of the map
fight the entire wave there
jump around from ledge to ledge
did lots of that shit mages do in classic to have monsters run up the r amp and they jump down to make them kite, then go back up
cuz some monsters are limted to only melee dash at you
opal forum
is it confirmed that season4 m+ rotation will be the 8 og dragonflight dungeon?
jagged pier
yes
opal forum
are they gonna do something about hall of infusion
opal forum
its so weird that they are THAT inconsistent with respawn points
pallid quiver
They're gonna triple the amount of dragons and make it so if you die, you die for real
warm plinth
Like irl
winged slate
That one has shortcuts so I'd guess not
The run back is pretty atrocious even with them, but I just have a feeling they're not touching it
lusty grotto
thats not specifically whats wrong with it
its a combination of things
and the shortcuts were only available if you clear right side
echo egret
I have the feeling they won't be touching anything when there's a severe need for changes in dungeons and affixes.
lusty grotto
which you dont do on fort weeks, or rather people didnt