protection

[strong forum]

and no its poison

you can do something along those lines

pull 2 i just a chain pull

once 1 naturalist is dead

just get the other one in

same with stingers

ah pull 5 and 7 is also wrong

but you get the gist

[primal pelican]

totally

seems cool

[waxen frigate]

shrimple skill issue

[waxen frigate]

can you drop me the mdt for this

either here or dms

[warm plinth]

I bet when Nome goes in to EB he just randomly pulls big ass packs til the end and this is just a representation of what he thinks a sane person would pull

[compact palm]

I mean both are correct

[echo egret]

@strong forum are you really pulling trash+2nd boss with pull 9 ??

[primal pelican]

10 flowers is pretty standard tho if you grab more i isuually see the plants in pull 5 over the caster pack

tho this is with vdh where you can misery and they'll comei n late

wait i read the numbers wrong

yeah you can pull that trash pack when its just the caster bolt caster left

he doesnt have aggro and doesnt really do anything

[covert flower]

that's a bug right

my tank's shield block uptime was not 19% right

somebody tell me that it's not true

[compact palm]

He was going for the heal parse

🧠

[covert flower]

wait

his battle shout uptime

[compact palm]

Oh my

[strong forum]

after 2 of the 3 bosses are dead

you chain the pull onto the last remaining boss mob, yes

[cerulean tusk]

Shieldblock is wasted rage :^)

[tribal wharf]

+30% dmg on our main spammed ability,
broken op DR
"its a waste of rage" yes context lol

[lusty tiger]

Why would you shield block as a shield tank

That’s why you have a shield equipped

It does all the blocking

You do all the rocking

[tribal wharf]

asmongold yelling at you to shield block for 10 hours

[lusty tiger]

Asmr

[tribal wharf]

HIT YOUR SHIELD BLOCK

[lusty tiger]

My workout playlist

[toxic pewter]

You guys think 10.2.6 coming on Tuesday? 8 hour extended maintenance

I think it’s happening

[lusty tiger]

I hope

[warm plinth]

I'd be kind of surprised. Like not that the patch would be happening at this time, but that they wouldn't announce it at all

[blazing condor]

Epic Games also had to do extended maintenance

theyre up to 12 hours extended now

shits going on guys

[warm plinth]

whew

[blazing condor]

illuminati

[warm plinth]

The all-seeing eye

[blazing condor]

was stoked to play the new fortnite season all day with my friend

instead got nothing

[toxic pewter]

I mean they said it would be a surprise and seems it really will be

Fortnite crossover wasn’t that in some data mining a while back

I could actually see it happening

[blazing condor]

would honestly be cool to have warcraft stuff in fortnite ngl

you got some pretty iconic characters to use

lich king / illidan / dragon aspects

[lusty tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/danger-alert-siren-alarm-red-light-gif-16931369

Zoomer detected

[warm plinth]

I don't have nearly enough brain cells to play a regular fps very well, much less one where i have to spastically build and destroy walls while doing it

[blazing condor]

Its not for everyone

But its a good game

Nowdays its not even just a BR its like a huge sandbox game where u can do whatever

But every franchise u know is also in it for whatever reason

[warm plinth]

🤑

[lusty grotto]

well not for whatever reason

its advertisement

plus some extra cash on cosmetics for both epic and whatever is being crossed-over

[violet flume]

ive had my first "elite dps" tell me waht to do every pull and how to pull. Just like reddit says

dude also died the most out of everyone which is very satisfying

that lmao was very cathartic for me

[lusty grotto]

skip bear singular?

or did he mean the double bears

[violet flume]

double

i just pulled it cause i didnt want to change my route

i figure it involves invis pot

[lusty grotto]

well yeah why would you pull that on fort

you can leap it

you dont need invis pot

rest of the group either lock portals, evoker rescues mount or invis pots / shrouds / mass invis

[violet flume]

wouldve been invis pot as we had none of these

its a +20 pug and i dont even know if everyone has pots so idk

does make sense to skip for relevant high keys

[lusty grotto]

well people skip them on my alt vault keys so

and they are usuall 18-20

but if you have the dps, you probably dont need to do it i guess?

otherwise they are a waste of time

and a big heal check

if they healer feels comfy enough doing them and you can down them fast - and it shouldn't be hard considering DHT's timer in that range - then sure you can do them

[violet flume]

ill keep that in mind

i never really looked optimal routes that much and ive never had anyone complain so lol

that pack not being skipped annoyed the hell out of him cause his other comments about me were not related to me at all lmao

[lusty grotto]

yeah he was obnoxious about it tbh

also dryads dont heal flowers

keepers do

[violet flume]

ya

later he said "sorry im tired"

told him to relax his fingers next time

[warm plinth]

Wouldn't be so fuckin tired if you'd shut up

[lusty grotto]

honestly not the worst pug in the world

[warm plinth]

🙂

[lusty grotto]

especially if he finished

and you timed or completed

there are much worse pugs

[lusty grotto]

i barely look at chat anyway

but the worst are the ones that insta leave on wipes on easily timeable keys

scratch that

that insta dc

like last week i did a 24 WCM?

25 actually

rsham decided to invis pot to the left instead of up the stairs

insta agroed runeweaver

left

err d/cd

like it was minute 2 at the most

could have been rezzed

on a waycrest

those are truly the worst ones

[violet flume]

i did a waycrest +20

healer died on pig boss

we had like 18-20mins remaing on timer

we decided to push more, we had 2 people who could spec heals if needed but we kept them dps in case heale came back

mage died right before lady waycrest and left too

why leave a timeable key

at any rate its really rare not to time a +20 i feel

s1/s2 it was way more common

[lusty grotto]

yeah those are the ones that suck

but i do agree it was more common on earlier seasons

[violet flume]

s1 it was so hard to get into pugs and +20s would fail 2-3x before id time it

i think algethar was the worst

[lusty grotto]

oh shit ghash

i forgot, did you want to raid mythic tonight seriously?

[violet flume]

its the only +20 i didnt time with 0 wipes

[lusty grotto]

we might have a spot tomorrow for dps if you want

hmm

AA without wipes that's weird

routing issue maybe?

or not enough dps

[violet flume]

dont remember, couldve been both

[lusty grotto]

ah

[violet flume]

i was pretty wussy about pulling big

[lusty grotto]

so uhh AA has some tricks

[violet flume]

now i realize my pull size limit is how much dps can survive

[lusty grotto]

like the last mobs that did the whirlwinds

if you pull huge

and keep them up the stairs

melee can just take 2-3 steps down and they never get hit by the whirlwind

[violet flume]

azure vault frogs rooms tho that was some big puls

[lusty grotto]

cause its z-axis damage

[violet flume]

thats nice to know

ill use that trick if it comes back in s4

[lusty grotto]

well if it hasnt been changed, that is hehe

[violet flume]

wonder if theyll just do all 8 initial DF dungeons

id prefer 8 oldschool dungeons for more portals heh

[lusty grotto]

im willing to be it'll be a 10 dungeon season with dawn

but we'll see

[violet flume]

id be so unhyped

kinda dumb portals are my goal for seasons genrally

then i mess around with alts

[lusty grotto]

thats not kinda dumb

[violet flume]

then again i never use them outside of M+ lol

[lusty grotto]

if thats what youre into, its good

[violet flume]

might try some higher keys next season

but i feel its pointless unless i wanna push high with an organized group

[maiden ravine]

good to know you can time 18 DHT with 20+ deaths

[lusty grotto]

should be doable

[maiden ravine]

Never seen a MW monk die so many times

[hardy snow]

I have today rogue left on BRH+23 because "we didnt gave him autohammer for repair" (he was yelling for it and then left).
Plot twist is that he was worst in team, had less interrupts than anyone other dps or me as tank and people (mostly him) was dying usually due to not interrupted casts and... we put him autohammer like 1min earlier when he first asked, and later told him again about it

[lusty grotto]

lol

[maiden ravine]

trying to finally finish 2500

given the season ends soonTM

[lusty grotto]

we're still like 5 weeks away

they said mid spring

so probably around April 16 for fated season

[grim pilot]

I hope its may

so we get another batch of good m+ weeks

[violet flume]

i timed my 20 DHT with 20 deaths and 2:30 to spare so ya

like 3 full wipes

[maiden ravine]

nah, May is likely 10.2.7

and s4 comes before that

April 16th is a fine guess, gives some time for alpha maybe

[hardy snow]

they wanted to keep same pace for patches and seasons, so its probably half of May

[lusty grotto]

well

we will see

either way im fine with both

[maiden ravine]

No, s4 specifically comes before 10.2.7 which is likely the May content given the expac comes out in Septemer it appears

[maiden ravine]

Tanking keys this season sucks so hard

I feel so uselss to save the team on warrior

[violet flume]

yeah warrior doesnt have much utility in helping the group

the one thing i miss from warrior when playing other tanks alts is the amount of raw CC

shockwave, shield charge, stormbolt, aoe fear, thats a lot of hard CC. Lots of stun DR however.. I don't think it compares to prot paladin but it is what it is

also warrior feels tankier than my druid and paladin

[maiden ravine]

just being able to help with afflicted and incorp on monk, plus easy access to self poison/disease cleanse feels so good

[violet ginkgo]

Well you just Rallying Cry and hope for the best.

[maiden ravine]

yep.

[tribal wharf]

avoid that type of person at all cost

someone that types during game every single line like every 2 seconds

tank every 1-3 minute explains "we are going to do this and this" different

you will make your life hell by existing near that person for any amount of time, hes clearly toxic

hes toxic AND dumb, mostly dumb i would say, maybe hes a kid, its gotta be a kid, way they talk

but hes got problems it would seem lmao

[dusky canopy]

its the weekend!!

https://tenor.com/view/squirtle-sax-squirtle-epic-sax-gif-9114541324807947557

[primal pelican]

Is there any dungeon where you swap into Shattering throw?

[dusky canopy]

I wouldnt bother

[lyric cape]

And since its a cast you can't parry block or dodge during

[viscid lake]

Is it possible have 100% shield Block uptime?

[dusky canopy]

yes

200% with all the talents

(meme)

[viscid lake]

I mean, is it pr was it joke? 😂😂

[tribal wharf]

if you play very well its possible to block 100% of melees and 95%+ of spells

most of us wont play that well, at least not consistantly

[warm plinth]

It is possible to have 100%. The joke was the 200%.

And no, it is not possible to block 95%+ of spells. You'd need Spell Block to have 100% uptime for that.

[tribal wharf]

kicks and such no

blockable spells right

[warm plinth]

You don't have Spell Block 100% of the time

It has 25% uptime

if used on CD

[tribal wharf]

ya, well if you kick and reflect properly you could probably get a high % of them to hit during spell block windows

i dunno lol

would be a weird science experiment

[warm plinth]

Regardless of any of that, it's inaccurate to tell someone that you can block 95%+ of spells, especially with no further context.

Especially when you say it right next to "its possible to block 100% of melees" which is true

[tribal wharf]

is when your team is echo and LOS's every single bolt and kicks everyone of thme and kicks /reflects spell block window is perfectly managed by team

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern hi ily

[tribal wharf]

did more wcm with a, assuming fury warrior, told him "basically reflect on cd this dungeon, big dmg"

i think thats true, i didnt check to see how much he had reflected for at the end though

[warm plinth]

The on CD part probably not because you don't always get targeted with things in every pull, but on first pull and any of the casting witches, yes

Etch is also huge damage

[tribal wharf]

i wasnt sure if you can reflect the infected thorns or not cuz it has RNG target who it goes on

[warm plinth]

You can but you'd have to see if the mob is targeting you ofc

Or hm, maybe it's not? Reflect guide says no, but it only mentions the mobs in witches room, not the other witches in the courtyard

[tribal wharf]

many of the various base types of witches do a basic bolt you can reflect

[viscid lake]

Is Reflect only once Per reflected ability or Can you reflect infinite as Long as it is up?

[grim pilot]

once

and yes, your dr stays once you reflect 1 ability

[viscid lake]

Ok but only 1 spell per cast?

[grim pilot]

#protection message

so yes

once per spell cast

you cast reflect - you can reflect 1 ability only

unless they're synchronised

then you can reflect all at once

[viscid lake]

Ty

[grim pilot]

but if you have 1 bolt on you then another one 1 sec after, you will only reflect first one

so sometimes the trick is to hold your sr till last second

[warm plinth]

RIP Reflective Plating

[violet ginkgo]

what is the chance of this usually ever happen

[grim pilot]

very often?

[violet ginkgo]

RIP mass reflect.

[grim pilot]

when you're pulling a pack

[marble oasis]

is there anyway i can post my gear and someone can tell me easy upgrades

im at461 ilvl and really only do mythic dungeons

[lusty tiger]

There is a dope site for that

Simc export your gear into raidbots

[warm plinth]

at that ilevel, just equip higher ilevel really. trinkets are the only exception

we like more stats over better stats

[tribal wharf]

Praise the emporer

[jagged pier]

Gone from 40k too nerdy to praise the emporer in a few days

[tribal wharf]

but it has a chainsword....

and a meltagun...

id have to try some of the other games, but if any of them are good like this could be a side hobby i have for a year or 2

dome keeper is really fun too but i have only played it one time

[plush tendon]

wait, we talking 40k?

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-exterminatus-explosion-nuke-40k-gif-22693290

[jagged pier]

No not really yogi just found boltgun

But 40k good

[tribal wharf]

every so often i have fleeting interest in it

this will lsat like, a few more days, maybe a week

[jagged gust]

My favorite part of reclearing is aggroing all the mobs at volco, juicy 10mil reflect

[ionic fern]

Hi,Ghash. Hope you are doing well.

[warm plinth]

I'm finally feeling better after being sick for 2 weeks

[ionic fern]

Oh,that's a long time to be sick. Glad you are feeling better!

[warm plinth]

❤️ yeah never been sick for this long tbh lol

[jagged gust]

You have that lung cold thing going around? That shit hit me like a ton of brick a couple weeks ago

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/war-hammer-fantasy-gif-19395056

[warm plinth]

Nah mine was sinus congestion and nose running like a faucet

[tribal wharf]

episode 2 complete

1 more to go

another i ndunno 6 hours of gamplay, maybe 8 or so if i suck lol

[atomic solstice]

how do you deal with the flowers in everbloom

[grim pilot]

avatar gets you off the debuff

[atomic solstice]

thank you

[grim pilot]

although most of the damage there

is from casters

so if you do your pulls around 1 caster

which you can single-handedly control

you should be fine

[tribal wharf]

im uplaoding my level playthroughs boltgun on YT on my yogi keys channel, same one, find these if they interes you., they arent poperly titled or edited or have a thumbnail and description, that comes after i finish the game

[waxen frigate]

Yogi do you want to do a key with me @tribal wharf

[tribal wharf]

sorrypurging heertics

[waxen frigate]

so am i

(im playing my paladin)

[tribal wharf]

Humiliating the Lord of change

[timber jackal]

holy shit found this @strong forum guy

[lethal arrow]

oh my god

i want him to sign my chest, can you arrange that? @timber jackal

[lusty grotto]

just kick him

he'll nuke your key

[uneven mason]

IF by nuke you mean he'll make that mage look like a feather duster, probably right.

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-por-que-no-gif-23322568

[grim pilot]

@strong forum

my key is 27

xd

30 to 27 in 1h

[lusty grotto]

[grim pilot]

fucking tot

tanked wm 27 into fall 28 into fall 27 into wm 29 into tot 30

[strong forum]

🙂

[grim pilot]

also got absolute dogshit rng

with crushing depths and reflects on 3rd boss

I did x2 tot 28's today and got like 2 reflects in total on that boss

and I dont even need tot 28

[strong forum]

yeah same

[grim pilot]

come play arms

in my wm

my morale is 0

[lusty grotto]

[strong forum]

nah

[lusty grotto]

fall, healer dcs on 2nd boss

remember when i said i hated quitters on timeable keys?

yeah

[waxen frigate]

maybe he's like me and sometimes his pc shits itself during keys

and it takes 2min to reconnect

and u time key anyway

[lusty grotto]

idk about 4 dpsing 2nd boss though

[lusty grotto]

hi guilford its been a while

what you been up to

[daring marlin]

living the dream bro

[lusty grotto]

good shit!

[lusty tiger]

Dreamy

[lusty grotto]

@warm plinth you around we owe you a dht

and we're forming for one

[warm plinth]

@lusty grotto 👀

Oh that was 20 min ago lul

[cursive prawn]

Have you seen Blue Eye Samurai?

Think we talked about Arcane ages ago

You’ll probably love this one

[lusty grotto]

Blue eye sam is pretty fucking great

[cursive prawn]

[hot wasp]

Hi guys, just checking -

If I have blood and thunder, I can completely remove Rend from my bar, is that correct?

[grim pilot]

yes

[north pecan]

So giving 60 bucks for a prot war

dwarf?

I know kul tiran was good last exp lol

I mean i am boosting a toon what race lol

At 3700 on main trying to fuck around with war

[grim pilot]

dwarf is the best race for m+ tanks, yes

[north pecan]

yep thx

[hot wasp]

Thanks!

[violet ginkgo]

but I mean if you want to make big tauren warrior just do it 😄

[warm plinth]

I ain't touching Tauren with colossus coming kek

5% bigger cow

[grim pilot]

how's that not a pro

only thing in favor of taurens

massive cow stomping on the graves

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/meowdy-howdy-cat-howdy-cat-in-a-hat-cat-in-the-ten-gallon-hat-gif-27347110

[warm plinth]

Enjoy your shit camera

[grim pilot]

I play wcm a lot, I do

[violet ginkgo]

go BEEGG!

[graceful cobalt]

hi guys a Question i reactivate my Warry Tank. I have 483 Prophetic Stonescales wich i should took as second all 476 Ember of Nullification or Accelerating Sandglass or Rezan's Gleaming Eye, i have without Nullifikation 45% haste 26%krit 21%versa and 25% Mastery

[jagged pier]

u should be wearing sandglass and rezan

I guarentee stonescales is doing nothing for u

[graceful cobalt]

scale safed me a lot my ass on pug grp

[jagged pier]

It doesnt

And if you are finding it is procing a lot even tho it can only proc once or twice a key it is likely u are doing somthing incorrectly

Mistakes happen but in content outside of the toptop stuff they can be convered by better play

If u want to runa defensive trinket i suggest getting a rageheart it give far more defensive value than stonescale

[echo egret]

« Getting a rageheart » lol 😜
I’ve never seen one drop in any difficulty level.

Another brilliant design from Blizz

[graceful cobalt]

yeah the fyrak trinket i want to get but until now never droped. so i can only use that trinkets i got

[tribal wharf]

one of the best twitch streamers

[idle quartz]

Hey all! I’m noticing that I’m having a recurring issue with Mythic Gnarlroot. The bleeds caused by those lashers are really making it difficult to stay alive. Even with a more defensive build doing everything I can, I get whittled down very slowly. Any advice?

I’ve got half a mind to finally switch to dwarf… but I wanted to do that next xpac

[tribal wharf]

5 more levels of purging the heretics and then back to wow i suppose

gamme to easy really

1 shot basically every level,

if im very lucky, i might be able to complete the game tonight, and then do 4 18 keys tomorrow for a third slot

would probably be some no life crap but i could do it

[lusty tiger]

@waxen frigate https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4JJ5sJMzA4/?igsh=eW5oN2x4OWUzZHIw

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iyi gecelar

Likes

164764

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[violet ginkgo]

"just get a rageheart"

[hardy snow]

1. ask your group to focus more on adds, boss dmg isnt relevant when adds are up
2. remember its not only dot from adds that can hurt, biggest issue is tankbuster, not hits itself, but the debuff it gives you, it increase other dmg you get in this fight, that includes: big aoe before people run away to drop puddle, adds spawning, small aoe which is from, if I remember correctly, not interrupted big add, all these things separately or even combined but without debuff arent much harmful for tank, but all of it combined with debuff after tankbuster and some dot stacks can actually start hurting

[tribal wharf]

stop being unhealthy and poor and unhappy!

its not hard really

[blazing condor]

All of those things can be solved by going to the casino

[violet ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/money-wallet-broke-gif-7855913

[tribal wharf]

i have found great (probably temporary) happiness within bolt gun

almost done

and i will have all my footage of when i played it uploaded too

shit, i still have 8 wcm/dht/ad to run afterwords tonight or monday too lol

err towards 8, but i mean 4 more

[hoary gate]

Hey everyone, I am a returning wow player, almost 2 months now... playing prot warrior 482 ilvl, and last night in heroic I learned my dps is terrible... I am having trouble with uptime, and cooldowns, I also don't get enough shield slams in I think... Is this the place to ask for help?

[warm plinth]

Yes

Do you have logs?

[hoary gate]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wFYJ7tRrVd1CQa9g

Same name- Drudgep

I looked through it for the first time, didn't know they were a thing lol

[warm plinth]

• You're playing the wrong talent build.
• Your overall casts per minute is crazy low.
• Revenge should absolutely never be your #1 button pressed.
• Take Whirlwind off your bar and throw it into the abyss.
• Use your offensive cooldowns (including Demoralizing Shout) on cooldown. I cannot stress this enough. You have 1 cast of Avatar (~35 sec CD after cooldown reduction) in a 3:23 fight.
• Follow the priority: Shield Slam>Thunder Clap>Revenge - you should not press Revenge if either of the other two are available. If you will overcap rage (happens a lot during CDs), use Ignore Pain to dump it. We do not care about overcapping Ignore Pain.
• Shield Block should be kept up 100% of the time, even if not tanking. It's your #1 mitigation while tanking, and it grants 30% bonus damage to Shield Slam.

[hoary gate]

Thank you- I've updated my talent tree this morning

Not sure why my CPM is so low, also is there a weak aura or something that puts my cooldowns off to the side so I know which ones are up?

Also, I didn't know shield block helps with DPS

[echo egret]

Any other spell on the GCD comes before Revenge : demo shout, dragon roar, ravager, shield charge…

[hoary gate]

Thanks, I think I'm having trouble tracking them- is there an addon or weakaura recommended?

[echo egret]

That’s totally up to you, there are several weak aura packs out here

[warm plinth]

You can get the Afenar weakaura suite and then trim it down to what you need

I wouldn't keep the whole thing; he tends to put too much in there

but his are really easy to customize

[echo egret]

I am personally just having my bars below my characters and I’m used to see when these CDs are available

I can also recommend varying the alerts : some visual ones, some audio ones…

[warm plinth]

Yeah, too many of either and you end up ignoring them

[echo egret]

You should be dumping a lot of rage in IP, I suggest have one finger for that button and only that.

(Since I t’s off the gcd)

[hoary gate]

Does ignore pain help with Fervid bite?

[echo egret]

Yes, it has a very high chance of proccing

It’s an overall loop of spending-generating tons of rage

[hoary gate]

OK, I think that is also what I was missing, when I got too much rage, I was spamming revenge instead of IP- but revenge is on the GCD so I was not able to use shield slam

among other things

[echo egret]

Revenge spam is not a thing this season (and same in Season 4 since we’ll have the same tier set)

[warm plinth]

We've never spammed Revenge

At least not since the Vengeance talent existed and we actually ran it, which wasn't for very long

even then we alternated between Revenge and IP

[hoary gate]

Gotcha, thanks for all the help... do you know what DPS and what training dummy I should be able to pull

[echo egret]

Wasn’t there a time in SL ?

[hoary gate]

I was just pulling 55K on Dugeoneer's dummy in pvp area - and that is up from 45K from before you helped me

both of you

[echo egret]

Training on a target dummy helps with muscle memory

[hoary gate]

yup- do you know what should I be shooting for dps wise on a dummy?

[echo egret]

Me ? No I don’t know, although a good sim will tell you that.

[hoary gate]

oh, ok like raidbots

Thank you @echo egret and @warm plinth

[blazing condor]

you spammed revenge in SL

especially if you did non-push keys with seismic reverb

but even with reprisal you'd dump rage into revenge

then when banner came you obviously opted into spamming IP more to dump rage but you had so much rage gen by that point you would spam IP and revenge to not overcap anyway

[foggy lynx]

any marcos you guys suggest?

[blazing condor]

the ones in pins

for IP+shield slam / stances

[high aspen]

is tanking using the lego ethical?

[violet ginkgo]

well for blood DK why not, but for us... well... shield block + shield slam are not usable without shield I think?

[strong forum]

swapping weapon incurs a GCD

and when wielding legendary, you cant use anything but thunderclap

[high aspen]

you cant even swap in combat i dont think

[strong forum]

you can

or well normal weapons you can

[high aspen]

oh

[strong forum]

but dunno if you can swap off of legendary

[high aspen]

yeah i could switch to gholak

couldnt*

was tanking using lego the entire council kill

lmao

[strong forum]

so you werent tanking

[high aspen]

nah i was

[strong forum]

cuz you cant do anything but auto attack and thunderclap

how do you keep threat

[waxen quarry]

iirc sl was ss spam

[strong forum]

you do like 5k dps

[waxen quarry]

cant u execute

im pretty sure execute is available with every weapon

[waxen frigate]

Sounds like most pug pwarrs

[high aspen]

u can execute

troar and ravager

thats it

and tclap

[high aspen]

102k actually

gg

[violet ginkgo]

and basically throw the tierset away XD since you can't shieldslam to proc those bleeds

[crystal mauve]

Do you have a log I'm curious to see 🤣

[strong forum]

why do i have 3 pings

wadafak

[high aspen]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JyzaZkjM3pKhbnCA#fight=23&type=damage-done

resorted to "tanking" as fury

[strong forum]

ye tested vs dummy

i could funnily enough maintain 170k dps on 5 dummies

[high aspen]

man im telling you

have it on for the pull

charge use the lego then swap

but idk

[strong forum]

not worth

costs like 5+ GCDs

and the 1mil dmg aint worth 5gcds

[high aspen]

u cant swap to any weapon anyways

nvm

[strong forum]

probably not while the weapon is on CD

[warm plinth]

You can but not

Yeah

[strong forum]

to prevent cheese

[high aspen]

right

[chilly brook]

Time to make it 4

[violet ginkgo]

you sure 4 is enough?

[chilly brook]

Idk care to make it 5?

[marble oasis]

Is 16 a tier that gets me good gear in mythic + dungeons?

is it like 15-19?

[warm plinth]

17 is the highest track obtainable from M+

[marble oasis]

whats the lowest

[warm plinth]

16 is the first level that gives you aspect crests but it still gives champion gear

[marble oasis]

so are there specific videos for 16s

[warm plinth]

I'm sure you can probably find videos for them but idk how much you're gonna learn from it

It doesn't take a pro to do a 16

[marble oasis]

i tried to youtube didnt see any i was hold to do BRH, thinks its just everything the same but u need to interupt spirits

[chilly brook]

Nah fam just do keys

[marble oasis]

are keys a better value i usaully just join

[chilly brook]

Like nothing really changes from a 15 to a 16

[marble oasis]

ooo

[chilly brook]

Or a 12 to a 16

Things just hit harder

[blazing condor]

yeah its the same dungeons

and mechanics

just scales

[warm plinth]

well 12 to 16 you get an extra affix

at 14

[marble oasis]

ooo okay guess interupts just become more important

not that things change

[chilly brook]

Yeah more damage means mechanics matter more

But it’s the same exact mechanic

[marble oasis]

461 should be good enough

ilvl gear for 16 should be fine right

[violet ginkgo]

So 18 is the sweet spot? Since we get new crest, heroic track drop and myth track vault?

[warm plinth]

Yep

[chilly brook]

People were doing 20s at like 450 so yea

[marble oasis]

omg am i bad at the game 😦

[blazing condor]

we're all bad at the game

just do ur best and try and have fun

[waxen quarry]

448 21 tott

fort week 1

100% shadow damage taken debuff instead of 10%

from corruptions in gauntlet

[tribal wharf]

who was the persons intersted in bolt gun here?

or 40k i guess

mostly bolt gun, im done with that game now, and i have the playthrough up on youtube already

but i fucked up naming the videos some how lol

names dont match the lvls somehow

[blazing condor]

play ultrakill

[tribal wharf]

maybe

that ability is on cooldown

tell yogi play a not wow game

24 hours

keys and usch maybe

if you want my bolt gun playthrough let me know and i will link it in off topic or dm or somethin

[marble oasis]

Is this actually right icy veins told me versaltiltiy ius better then crit

[hardy snow]

they are very close, its better to sim yourself to see your particular situation

[marble oasis]

i would think verwailtiy

makes healing me easier

[warm plinth]

No, it doesn't

It costs a shit ton of versatility to reduce damage taken by any significant amount

MEanwhile crit will increase your parry which reduces a lot of damage intake in M+

[marble oasis]

okay

WE BOYCOTT ICY VEINS

[warm plinth]

Don't do that lol

[hardy snow]

in theory vers is better defensively in raid, because things that hurts us aren't able to parry, but its also not big diff, so its better to just gear for dmg, leech will compensate such small difference

[strong forum]

Read the fine print

Not just the blatant list

[waxen frigate]

notably also depends on fight

[lusty grotto]

how is 3 better than 4? youre reading that wrong

versa has higher prio

1 being highest prio

5 being lowest

also

both icy veins and wowhead are written by our mods

lower number = higher prio

[warm plinth]

That's from the wowhead guide; the icy-veins guide is the one he's saying has them the other way around

[lusty grotto]

is it?

[hardy snow]

yes

[lusty grotto]

i see

[hardy snow]

but there is also text as Nome mentioned

[lusty grotto]

🤷

mwahi might have not had his coffee or something

but if theres fine print, there's fine print

[strong forum]

a guide is also just a guide

and not a written ruleset

ontop of that we are 2 different people who can say 2 different things

[lusty grotto]

[compact kettle]

Between a dwarf and human what is best for making a warrior?

[grim pilot]

dwarf for tank

human dps

[lusty grotto]

for ultra competitive, you wanna go dwarf or NE

otherwise human is fine

[grim pilot]

y ne is currently bis in m+

but human owns in wm

[compact kettle]

Yeah tanking is not really my thing

[grim pilot]

you're asking in prot channel

u know that

xd

[lusty grotto]

oh

well go troll or human, you cant go wrong with either

[compact kettle]

Okay cool good to know

[grim pilot]

but unless you wanna go play at a high level

it's always gonna be better to play whatever you wanna look at the most

[lusty grotto]

but yes this is the prot channel we are mostly tanks in here

[grim pilot]

people are concerned with races and such too much

and then end up doing 20's

or pushing 23's

[compact kettle]

Yeah I probably shouldnt be too concerned with races lol

I heard unless im pushing world first its not a big deal idk how true that is

[jagged gust]

Sometimes you just like to have the biggest numbers, and race comes down to that last 0.1% of damage

Sometimes the goal is to beat someone in your own guild

Race does technically impact your DPS, like a troll over a vulpera is something like 6-7k4.5k gain DPS (in arms)

[waxen quarry]

6-7k is a fuck ton

i wish it wasnt that way honestly

[jagged gust]

yeah vulpera is ass for damage

[marble oasis]

I always thought Tauren was the coolest warrior race so great

[waxen quarry]

i wish they didnt look shit

(my warrior is tauren)

[grim pilot]

not world first but

high content when things start getting oneshotty

if you're not playing properly or on some specs playing extra vers/avoi

but yeah first and foremost I would look at the races and decide which you wanna play

if its close between a couple of them

you can ask in specific channel (this is for tanks so) which one is better for dps and/or how big of a diff it is

and that could seal the deal

but yeah, essentially you're supposed to like playing the race you chose

I wouldnt wanna be a fucking cow 24/7

[compact kettle]

Okay cool ill keep that in mind!

Thanks!

[jagged gust]

I have managed to find 1 single mog that looks good on them, it's unfair an 8 foot tall moose isn't allowed to look cool

[grim pilot]

it's 100% fair

fuck cows

I'll have a steak please and thank you

[jagged gust]

Okay I misremembered, checked again and it's closer to 4.5-5k between top and bottom

[violet ginkgo]

Combined that with the 5% increase size later with Colossus hero talent.

[chilly brook]

hmmmm

@patent osprey

[ionic fern]

Icy Veins told you Vers >= Crit.

[echo egret]

@ionic fern I just found out this part of the icy-veins guide is obsolete :

[ionic fern]

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-17101711

Oh, i know where that's from - Rotation.

Will fix it after work, thanks.

[echo egret]

I also noticed that in the stats section :

But nowhere else is an explanation of the link between AP and IP ?

Does higher attack power provide faster filling of the IP bar each press ?

[ionic fern]

Ngl, this one i forgot i mentioned IP on the Stats page.
It used to be based on a different formula, but got changed to HP based one.

[echo egret]

Damn WoW guides are becoming so complex they should follow the same procedure as scientific articles : peer review, etc !

[grim pilot]

Its still based on ap

Not the maximum IP

But ip you get with each use

Unless arms and prot have 2 different formulas (doubt)

[ionic fern]

As i said, i'll look into it after work - then i can read the full section of what i've written there instead of 2 lines out of context.

[echo egret]

Could be through the Brutal Vitality talent.

[opal forum]

hi guys, is this route still fine in +25? Or should i do a different one?

(im only playing with pug)

[ionic fern]

13/15 is a waste of time.

Consider pulling near the first area instead since you can chain onto "mini-bosses" and first boss.

And then skip pack 13 & 15.

[grim pilot]

On higher keys people tend to go morchie first, so if you plan on killing one kill the first one (although you can skip just by walking by iirc on all classes

and then invis pot pack 15 and completely avoid interaction with pull 13

this is the route for 29 as a reference point

Dont follow it blindly just wanted to show you how the route changes with key levels

[opal forum]

based on both ur comments i made the route like this

i guess this is better like that?, also, i know i can skip the 3 consecutive packs before Anduin

but is any of chromie's packs skipeable without potions?

[opal forum]

so the first one? can someone confirm the first pack is skipeable with no invis?

[ionic fern]

Mind Soothe / Warlock portal also work.

[grim pilot]

I myself am a warrior so I didnt really need to test it

but if you want to be absolutely sure

then get rogue/warlock/priest

[opal forum]

you just leap on that one?

ive never encounter that pack, thats why im asking

[ionic fern]

As a warrior you can, yes.

[opal forum]

i dont know this spot of the dungeon ahah

[ionic fern]

But your group needs some way to skip as well.

Hense the Warlock/Rogue/Priest requirement.

[opal forum]

ok you cant just walk by ok ok

[ionic fern]

Nope.

[opal forum]

thanks for the info guys

[grim pilot]

I did hear

you can walk by the first

But like I've mentioned I've never tested it myself as there was no need

[compact palm]

Well u can sit in the Lil corner by the stingrays and wait for them to path

Then walk by

[grim pilot]

we're talking about chromie

not battlefield

[compact palm]

Same thing there for north pack

[blazing condor]

i think we walk skipped once

but its like stupid tight

[grim pilot]

I would change some things but it's not that bad

[opal forum]

im assuming youre talking about the tyr pack

[grim pilot]

well

I wont expect you to pull with boss in 25

its fine without

but I would split pull 4

and chain it to other pulls

[opal forum]

im ok about it

my issue is

the pack next to the begining of the dungeon

im assuming someone else go tag it for you?

[grim pilot]

you can do so yourself

just tell them to hold off dps

[opal forum]

seems like a shitload of running

[grim pilot]

I would take the faraway pack in pull 4

and take it with the maiden

and then the mages chain to sentinel

when sentinel mages die

25 is key level where you're super fine going the big guy instead of the maiden first

to have "effective" bl

2 key levels higher you'd want to go maiden first because she really starts to hurt

[opal forum]

yeah by prepoting

[grim pilot]

ye

27 is like the perfect key level for that

28 is where you want to do the first pull like I showed

but dont think about that

your route with minor adjustments is more than good for 25

if executed properly

[tribal wharf]

im fully finished with bolt gun now otside of have to wait for youtube to get id so i can put better thumbnails up

already have the thumnails made for the most part

[opal forum]

like this?

BL to keeper, then i do maiden

[grim pilot]

nono

[opal forum]

when magus maiden dies, i pull pack 3

[grim pilot]

uh

wait

[opal forum]

sry im confused ahah

[grim pilot]

let me log in

[opal forum]

thanks for helping

[compact palm]

Anyone know if u can make it to maiden with pre invis poting?

[opal forum]

you can ive seen it on big big keys vid

[compact palm]

Sick

[grim pilot]

pull 3

is mostly chain

[opal forum]

ooh thank you

yeah you wait for the magus to die?

[grim pilot]

ye

just make sure you know your %

[opal forum]

and on maiden as well right

[grim pilot]

before going to morchie

[opal forum]

you kill maiden magus first

[grim pilot]

I'm not a tank main

[opal forum]

then you go get that pack

[grim pilot]

so I dont really know

and I just go for overkill in weekly 20's

for maiden

you can either go insta maiden and ask 1 guy to take the pack

or grab it yourself and then go maiden

[opal forum]

ok ok

[grim pilot]

though be wary of the patrol

there is 1 mage patrolling

with the pack you want to grab

[opal forum]

ok ok this seems much cleaner ill try that

i somehow never had a rise key past 18 in fortified (i only run my own keys cuz prot war life)

and now i have a 25

and i want those big rio numbers

but havent played that dungeon for weeks on fortified

anyway, thank you ill try that

[grim pilot]

rise 18?

whats that

[opal forum]

ahahah

and yeah i do know my %, i know its 80% before leaving sand area

[graceful cobalt]

If i went back to Horde wich Racial is there strongest for Warrior Tank? Yeah i know alliance dwarfs are OP but i am still a Horde player

[jagged pier]

vulp for m+

any for raid

[compact palm]

[waxen frigate]

Fwiw night elf is also very good Alliance

Not just dwarf

[lusty tiger]

Yea you can do a lot of smeld skipping

[waxen frigate]

Kinda varies per season/dungeon

[jagged pier]

yer espically when he asked specfically for horde

[compact palm]

Belf pretty clutch lot of time I find with the group comps I usually run

[lusty tiger]

Aren’t the horde getting a dwarf race in tww

[tribal wharf]

vulpera

puke

[jagged pier]

we dont actually know what the raical will be tho

[lusty tiger]

Daaang

[tribal wharf]

we aready have it, its called undead racial

removes bad things like fear

i mean, doesnt remove dmg type dbeuffs but ya

[compact palm]

Hopefully just carbon copy of og dwarf for horde

Xd

[plush tendon]

none of the Horde racials are turbo awesome for PVE content; maybe there is a argument for Tauren or Highmountain

[tribal wharf]

not a 1 to 1 copy plz

[plush tendon]

so just pick what you like

[tribal wharf]

make it slightly different at least

[compact palm]

Make it give u a small heal per thing removed or something

Tbh as long as it removes the same debuffs anything else is a bonus

[tribal wharf]

clears 1 thing the alliance version doesnt clear, or similiar change, youd have to be really nerdy to take notice and or get mad i mean

[plush tendon]

I mean, Dark Iron and Normal Dwarf both have the same cleanse effect on their racials

[compact palm]

Also breaks stuns

Because why not

[tribal wharf]

human break stun is the most over powered racial in the game as any spec besides tank specs

[plush tendon]

Ill be shockd if Earthen isnt the same thing

[tribal wharf]

stun is your alive and cant do shit, your literally in time out

and human, you get out of it instantly

[plush tendon]

depends; for PVP I think people are preferring Orc

for reduced stun duration

[tribal wharf]

well for constant barrage of stun, ya, orc

for ocassional stun, huiman

[plush tendon]

Human has three really good racials: 2% gains on all stats, 10% rep gains, and stun break

[waxen frigate]

How often are you stunned in pve content

[compact palm]

How often u do waycrest

[tribal wharf]

but still i cannot sing it highly enough from the very tip of the highest peak of the highest mountain in the universe

BREAK OUT OF STUN IS STUPIDLY OVER POWERED

especially in combat if there is like fires on the ground or shit beind casted

[plush tendon]

can count it on one hand... still its handy

[tribal wharf]

its so much over powered its basically cheater

[compact palm]

Just tell u pally to bop u 4head

[waxen frigate]

I don’t disagree. Most of my toons are human. But it’s not overpowered lmfao

[plush tendon]

Dwarf has sort of gone out of favor this season, but S4 I expect tanks going Dwarf if they can

Crawth and that 2nd boss RLP

[compact palm]

It's only out of favor because dh can't be dwarf

[waxen frigate]

Dwarf vs nelf is just a matter of season

And dungeon pool

[plush tendon]

Nelf is more useful right now

[tribal wharf]

dwarf one is good too but i feel like you can just have a better healer/cleansing dpsers

sorrynotsorry

[waxen frigate]

Nah nelf way better rn

[plush tendon]

for a lot of mechs

and the hard bosses

[tribal wharf]

im gunna catch some hate for that take but im okay wit hit

[plush tendon]

skipping entire mechanics in multiple dungeons

[tribal wharf]

to be fair okay you guys i want to yogi tells a story about this thing we are talking about currently its semi related

back in bfa, i was attempting play my hunter, and they wanted me to take the, i forget, camo? but it makes you stand still in combat and your invis and you regen hp, and someone told me to take it

must have sat there for like,3 days, re-reading it trying to figure out wtf, didnt like using it at all, never understood it when i did use it

and its like, ne is even more complicated than that cuz you cant be in combat at all or something?

its like, why the hell would i ever make my toon ne cuz of that

this is on top of i already have a bias against playing vulpera night elfs and gnomes

[lusty tiger]

Nelf tank, dwarf dps rn seems to be pretty nice

[waxen frigate]

Depends on the Dps

LOTS of Dps prefer nelf

Because you can negate key mechanics with it

[plush tendon]

they are both pretty good in their own right

but compared to all other racials.... they be kind of busted

explain to me again why Blood Elves cant have a 2min silence?

[compact palm]

Pvp

Also look at nightborne

3min cd slow xd

[plush tendon]

yea, but if you are gonna play nightborne... just play nelf

nelfs look better

[compact palm]

I mean true but not the pont

Racials should be cosmetic not game play warping

[plush tendon]

💯

[lusty tiger]

I want to be nelf with the maev set

[plush tendon]

its a nice set

[winged slate]

OP, it even does like 300 damage

[cerulean tusk]

I still think the toy mog is better than the new mog

Having forced to fit everyone, killed the unique look it had on nelf

Just compare them, ya likely to agree

[compact palm]

[winged slate]

It's wild to me that I chose that over stoneform

🙃

[plush tendon]

looks>actives

the only time where that doesnt apply is if you are doing world first level keys

MDI

or World First raiding

[winged slate]

Yeah just feels bad knowing I could just have a giga cooldown

[plush tendon]

I have a Dwarf Warrior; I like Dwarf warrior, but I do sometimes want to race change to human for mog

[winged slate]

But instead I look cool

[plush tendon]

but also, I want a Dwarf toon and Warrior is the only one that works for me

[winged slate]

I don't like the short races for mog so I never play any of them

[plush tendon]

Human DK, Blood Elf Pal, Dwarf War, Nelf DH

https://tenor.com/view/nice-south-park-gif-17950420

[winged slate]

Even though dark iron racial is giga

[plush tendon]

Normal is better

but Dark Iron looks really cool

[compact palm]

Moving faster indoors is sick True and real

The real racial

[plush tendon]

I like normal dwarf cause its a bit more viking like

and my dwarf is named Bjorn

[winged slate]

Dark Iron gives you main stat if you cleanse stuff which is pog

[plush tendon]

normal dwarf just gives 2% crit dam passive

which ends up being stronger overall; but dark iron do have mole machine

[compact palm]

2% movespeed>2% crit dmg we are not the same

[plush tendon]

its 4% indoors I think

[compact palm]

Even better

[winged slate]

I never go outside

So that's 4% all the time

[warm plinth]

Me too. And their heritage armor is much better than DID imo.

[tribal wharf]

is roach no more?

hes a white name now

[plush tendon]

both are different styles which I like

I think normal dwarf heritage is better, but I really like the fire beards

hes pretty basic... but I like how he looks

plus, that shield took me forever to grind; from Halls of Valor in S1

[cerulean tusk]

Nelf get movementspeed, crit/haste and shadowmeld

Nelf wins

always

also - nelf is the only one that can get true-dodge

nelf is the way, all others are just wrong

[tribal wharf]

i saved up the tw coins for the eglion shield

thats all i know but i was happy about tha one

[halcyon pasture]

Hey.
Is there a reflect list for this patch?

[wind oak]

[plush tendon]

for sure this season

next season not sure (assuming its all DFlight dungeons)

at least for tank

[earnest cove]

Is this shield still available?

[plush tendon]

I dont think so

it was a item added to HoV loot pool in S1 cause of no Artifact

[earnest cove]

Great… good that I didn’t play season 1 …

[graceful cobalt]

Guys on Horde Highmountain Tauren (versa boni) or the normal Tauren (crit boni), can´t sim myself becouse raidbots tells me highmountaintauren is wrong. (yeah i know Vulpera gets first hit lower damage but i don´t like this small guys)

[strong forum]

the crit dmg bonus from normal tauren is better yes

[graceful cobalt]

thx

[plush tendon]

the difference is so small though

[strong forum]

it is

[plush tendon]

less then a fraction of a %

gotta choose if you like Kodos or Mooses and if you like Antlers or Horns

and bull rush vs war stomp

[tribal wharf]

"tank your routing is SHIT" immediately leaves the key after it completes

name a more iconic duo

[plush tendon]

I mean.... was your routing shit?

[waxen frigate]

Doesn’t matter in yogi key levels tho

[tribal wharf]

about par really, we +2'd id :S

[warm plinth]

@tribal wharf roach got banned iirc. Wouldn't stop ranting about politics or something

[tribal wharf]

damn rip

[waxen frigate]

Yeah yogi was there

He was the one roach was talking to

LMAO

[warm plinth]

Of course

[tribal wharf]

death by association huh?

isnt that a bit... hereticcal?

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/40k-astartes-bolter-boltgun-dakka-gif-17604583

[tribal wharf]

you know what they do to those that commit heresey right

[plush tendon]

[warm plinth]

Heresy is being against normal religious doctrine. Do you mean hypocrisy?

[tribal wharf]

hyprocrisy is lying, which is immoral by many standards, so possibly

seems like the path taken to heresey and chaos

[hollow edge]

is there a good guide anywhere on how to get the hidden artifact? everything i find is pretty outdated and cant seem to find it

[hollow edge]

from legion*

[warm plinth]

Go to the back entrance to Nelth's lair (by the ettins), go to the edge of the cliff inside. If you see the emote in chat, find the shield in the gold piles in that cave. If not, try again next day

[hollow edge]

oh word thanks

[warm plinth]

You can also try multiple times a day using class trials/multiple warriors iirc

[hollow edge]

do u need to be specd into prot for it to proc? or does not matter

[warm plinth]

Nope

[hollow edge]

word thanks

[jagged pier]

sad the days are gone when u could sit in the cave and log in and out

confused all my guild doing that

XD

[tribal wharf]

primitive times demand primitive methods

[cerulean tusk]

I just remember using the /string check, seeing if shield was there or nah

[warm plinth]

I missed the login/logout period sadly. But it only took a couple weeks of trying to snag it.

[strong forum]

yo guys

have you noticed that signet brand kinda pumps?

[jagged pier]

good luck on that proc

[strong forum]

is m+

:3

[wind oak]

were you at 15 stacks all the time or what ?

[strong forum]

yes

waycrest perfect key for signet

this was blackrook where i dropped it once

[wind oak]

oh yeah you have so little down time between pack

[strong forum]

251k overall :3

[jagged pier]

man didnt stop pulling

[wind oak]

he over % on purpose i'm sure

[strong forum]

nah

[strong forum]

well BRH we just went full W

waycrest maybe like 3% over

[tribal wharf]

out healed this one druid

[strong forum]

cuz ninja pulled 1 pack

[tribal wharf]

53khps lol

[strong forum]

^^

[hardy snow]

thats the only signet i've got

[cerulean trellis]

Hey folks. Just picked up prot as an alt for the first time since SL. For Violent Outburst, what's the target range to spend on shield slam vs thunder clap? Or is it just a "always spend on shield slam" sort of thing?

[jagged pier]

7

but generally just send on SS and not think about it

[cerulean trellis]

dope. thanks!

[waxen frigate]

Return of the king (but in a different realm)

🙏

[cerulean trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/sweet-death-death-bones-skull-shocked-gif-12127974

[waxen frigate]

Did you quit or something

Or just stop coming to peak

[cerulean trellis]

I still check in but don't post much recently

Work has been busy so just less time in game overall

[waxen frigate]

F

[cerulean trellis]

Looking to dump some time into the warrior though so you'll see me around 🙂

[waxen frigate]

Oh all I do is shitpost here I don’t actually play this shit

I’ve been on pally the past month or so since fyrakk kill

[jagged pier]

[cerulean trellis]

lmao siiiick

[warm plinth]

Lies

You just play the other specs

[waxen frigate]

I log into warrior like once or twice a week at most

[errant leaf]

heyo someone has some good AD route for the week ?

[jagged pier]

W

[errant leaf]

heading to a +26 dont know where to start