protection

[warm plinth]

and burns more rage, and has a much higher proc rate of the tier set

[vale bolt]

Ok so should I be having revenge much lower on the prio?

[warm plinth]

You'll press it a decent amount, but it should never be above Thunder Clap.

[vale bolt]

Okie dokie

[covert flower]

You don't revenge if TC is available

[vale bolt]

Oh

[covert flower]

We're also playing demo shout build so

That'll give you more shouts, more damage, more damage reduction

[vale bolt]

Yea right they're the same damage that actually makes sense

[warm plinth]

Prot is one giant feedback loop. If you are not pressing your rage generators, then you aren't getting that rage to spend, which means you aren't reducing Avatar, which means you're getting less Thunder Claps, which means less rage generated, etc., etc.

[vale bolt]

Ok so when I am capping rage I just basically spend on IP (assuming SB is up)

[warm plinth]

If you will overcap on the next cast, you would press IP, yes

[covert flower]

IP procs tier set on such a high chance that

[warm plinth]

During cooldowns especially, you will press IP a lot

[covert flower]

It'll give you so much prio target DPS

[vale bolt]

Looking at my logs, am I pressing IP too much?

[blazing condor]

IP is off the GCD

[warm plinth]

No, IP being capped is 100% irrelevant.

[covert flower]

You press IP when capped

You press IP A LOT

[blazing condor]

so you spam it between TC/SS/revenge

[vale bolt]

Ok I will adjust things

[warm plinth]

When did I say to overspend on IP?

[grim pilot]

1 of my keys for ref

[warm plinth]

????

[grim pilot]

and I'm still not fully optimising my dam

[vale bolt]

I got some advice a few months back from this discord that someone told me I press IP too much in one of the logs I posted lol

[blazing condor]

overcap rage

that is

[warm plinth]

????

What are you even talking about

[blazing condor]

we have SS/TC like every other global

[warm plinth]

Reread what I said

[grim pilot]

xd

[warm plinth]

Yes, it absolutely is that simple. Because how the fuck am I gonna press Revenge if my next cap is going to overcap my rage (meaning I have a rage generator available)

next cast*

[covert flower]

IP is just good dude you spam it a lot

[hardy snow]

you spend on IP to dont overcap rage, how much IP you have is irrelevant for that purpose of using it

[ionic fern]

Revenge is on GCD.

[covert flower]

It's a big rage dump you are getting anger management from it you are getting insane tier chance

[ionic fern]

IP isn't.

[wraith quiver]

would you technically wanna cast revenge over SS in an aoe situation where you're not taking alot of dmg?

[covert flower]

You're keeping it capped

[warm plinth]

Are you in a special world where you can press Revenge and a rage spender atr the same time bro?

[covert flower]

You're getting indomitable

[wraith quiver]

if you're already overcapping on rage

[covert flower]

All of the gcd

[vale bolt]

I just wanna say, this spicy guy whispered me trying to get me to buy prot coaching for 100k gold/hr 🙂

[blazing condor]

[warm plinth]

Thank fuck you didn't

He's a moron

[vale bolt]

Oh he got blocked lmao

[warm plinth]

Sounds ban worthy to me tbh

[blazing condor]

allegations

[grim pilot]

its always people that dont know shit

will offer coaching

[warm plinth]

Imagine reading the question that you're answering lmao

rage builder is obviously what I meant. Use the context clues sir

[hardy snow]

#report-dms

[vale bolt]

I don't have screenshots unfortunately

[blazing condor]

eu-ragnaros

[grim pilot]

xD

[blazing condor]

explains it

[grim pilot]

mate

you're

hardstuck <3.4k

what are you flexing

you parse

green on heroic

[blazing condor]

should be mentioned you dont need to know what youre doing to be a high rio tank

[grim pilot]

you're obviously doing shit wrong

you were doing

[warm plinth]

I don't care how "I don't raid" you are; parsing green means you don't know wtf you're talking about

[hardy snow]

you mean the one that was talking to proritize revenge over TC and dont spend rage on IP?

[grim pilot]

as much as tank logs dont really say much

and heal logs

if something is consistently very low

or very high

it's gonna tell you that the player is either very good or very bad

[warm plinth]

Me going into heroic w/ zero clue what the fuck is going on because I haven't raided all tier btw

[blazing condor]

he left the server btw

[vale bolt]

LMAO

[blazing condor]

calma calma

[grim pilot]

he didnt

[wraith quiver]

dawg im hardstuck under 3k because fuck trying to do higher keys lol

[vale bolt]

No shot that he whispered someone else as well

[grim pilot]

oh

he did

lol

[wraith quiver]

shit scary

[blazing condor]

he slid into my dms too

[wraith quiver]

ye he saw us reporting him lol

[vale bolt]

You're getting into higher keys?

[warm plinth]

Good riddance

[vale bolt]

What a clown

[grim pilot]

I got a raid boost in 50

and we have

4 warriors

as boosters

oh god

[wraith quiver]

on my mage yeah

[warm plinth]

I just wanna go back to sleep

[blazing condor]

paint drinking time

[wraith quiver]

by higher i mean +22 lol, no reason to try to do higher than that

[vale bolt]

Close your eyes sir

[wraith quiver]

literally just for clout lol

[grim pilot]

no reason to do higher than 20

[wraith quiver]

amen brother

[warm plinth]

I'm sick atm and it is keeping me from falling asleep. 😦

[wraith quiver]

LOL

that name

change

[warm plinth]

Been sick for 2 fuckin weeks

[wraith quiver]

[vale bolt]

Who changed name?

[warm plinth]

I have a message, I wonder if it's from him :kkes

[vale bolt]

Holy moly

[grim pilot]

arent u

[tribal wharf]

enough fucking said

[grim pilot]

the oposite of that

pinky

you said

you cant play for shit

but you can review everything perfectly

[tribal wharf]

dms by spicyflamer

[warm plinth]

I've done dozens of reviews for people in here

[karmic plinth]

average rag player

[vale bolt]

You're not charging 100k gold / hour mate, that's where you're going wrong

[warm plinth]

Fuck, you're right

I've been charging 0k gold

[grim pilot]

wait

this guy

is on nova coaching list

holy fuck

I gotta dm someone

[warm plinth]

oof

[vale bolt]

Hold it out for the poors

[grim pilot]

look at this

[tribal wharf]

charging 100kg/ph to teach you how to mash ss, sb, and tc

how about no

[grim pilot]

@warm plinth

[warm plinth]

Oh dear

[grim pilot]

nah no shot mans gonna coach

and have no clue

[warm plinth]

The only prot coach too, big sadge

[vale bolt]

Grifting requires no skill in being a good prot player sir

[grim pilot]

brute forcing keys

[vale bolt]

Well I appreciate you guys all teaching me something (for free no less). Prot is my worst performing tank of the ones I play and I am trying to improve

[warm plinth]

Look at this fucking joker's casts in a waycrest (look at the cpm )

[grim pilot]

11,6 cpm

what

what's his overall cpm

[warm plinth]

56.8 CPM in WAYCREST

[grim pilot]

wait let me check

my wm

[warm plinth]

It's obviously all that travel time 😏

[grim pilot]

I had

79 cpm

xd

its like fury vs devastation

[warm plinth]

ikr

Bro his top damage in that dungeon was REND

[grim pilot]

?

how much did he do

[warm plinth]

HOW

[grim pilot]

on logs

[warm plinth]

106k

[grim pilot]

xd

[tribal wharf]

why are you guys looking at my log again

[grim pilot]

idk man I get it like

if you're unaware of something

or a bit clueless

its all good

we're all here to learn

[warm plinth]

Your logs look better than this guy's logs tbh

[grim pilot]

but not to talk shit with confidence

[covert flower]

Yooo don't shame me guys

I've looked at my meter once and seen rend at the top

I was confused too

:/

[karmic plinth]

feel like it coan happen depending on pull size

[warm plinth]

You're not in here pretending like you're an expert either

[grim pilot]

@warm plinth

look at this

we're making progress

slowly ss over tc consistently in keys

[warm plinth]

[grim pilot]

in my brh it was like 16% vs 11%

[warm plinth]

Random side note, I took the cover off the front of my PC today and blew off the blanket of dust on the front cover and I'm running like 10 degrees cooler (celsius)

[covert flower]

Yeah I can't get that to happen TC is always topping

It's close though

[grim pilot]

outbursts

[vale bolt]

What I wanna know is why don't these coaching places actually vet their coaches? Can anyone just spin some shit and sign up?

[grim pilot]

wtf

[grim pilot]

they do

wait

[warm plinth]

I don't even understand how he got the job; like surely they at least check logs?

[blazing condor]

why are we still glazing this guy

or do we just like being frustrated

[warm plinth]

Because it's 5:30am and I'm bored and frustrated that I can't sleep

[karmic plinth]

nothing brings a group of warriors quite like collective rage

[tribal wharf]

cuz who the fuck pays 10 bucks an hour to be told mash shield slam

[vale bolt]

I mean the guy is actively trying to scame people. Glaze him all you like

[tribal wharf]

like, i can get that for free on wowhead and icyveins

[blazing condor]

well us sitting in here talking about how he's bad doesnt really resolve that

not to be a party pooper

[vale bolt]

It's helping me tbh

[tribal wharf]

if i wanted a fucking coach for a video game

[vale bolt]

I'm comparing his logs they post to mine

[warm plinth]

It's entertaining me, and he's not here anymore so

[tribal wharf]

it would be because i was an expert competing in worlds level competition

[blazing condor]

exactly he's not here anymore lol

move on

[warm plinth]

We're having fun

[vale bolt]

You're not my dad

[tribal wharf]

and i would probably only take the coach if it was offered for basically free

[blazing condor]

🤷‍♂️ imma let yall do yall but its just shitting up the place

[grim pilot]

@warm plinth I keep tagging pinky

[warm plinth]

It's not working huh

[grim pilot]

and then I have to look for @ review prot logs

yes

I just snitched

on the guy

[warm plinth]

Get fuuuuucked

[grim pilot]

waiting for response

[vale bolt]

Lmao that's great

[ionic fern]

Who we coaching?

[tribal wharf]

coach DN

[warm plinth]

You can coach me anytime ily

[vale bolt]

What's DN

[blazing condor]

ligma deez nuts

[jagged pier]

Also morning ghash

[warm plinth]

Morning friend. How are you?

[jagged pier]

Good thnks, hows you?

[tribal wharf]

i need to buy bolt gun one of these days

[warm plinth]

Gonna try going back to sleep 😴

[jagged pier]

Sleep well 🙂

[strong forum]

Looks like I missed a scammer of some sort

[strong forum]

Good

Don't need people giving prot a bad rep

[waxen frigate]

That’s legit every pug pwarr I see

Rend and revenge

[grim pilot]

hes 3,4j

you'd think

he knows a bit

xd

[covert flower]

Wait rend dmg isn't reduced by targets is it

[ionic fern]

No.

[covert flower]

Hmmm

Maybe that's why I've seen rend at the top of my meter once or twice, I remember doing some low waycrests, like 13/14 where it was a 4 man carry pretty much

[blazing condor]

the longer shit takes to die the more rend value youll get

[covert flower]

Yeah that's what it was probably

I was mass pulling like 6 packs and it was taking 10 years to kill

Group dmg was so bad I topped by like 50k overall

[waxen frigate]

3.4K doesn’t require being good

You just need to know the dungeons

[grim pilot]

considering hes the tank

tanks are hardest to carry

[waxen frigate]

I was doing 25s on my pally last night in shit gear and apparently did more than their usual vdh

[waxen frigate]

Not from an individual class skill perspective

A tank’s ultimate job is to live and navigate

[grim pilot]

sure

but

doing 55k on nymue

at 485

[lusty tiger]

Keys when

[waxen frigate]

😳

[grim pilot]

=3,4k

[waxen frigate]

Man you get ppl like humanity on Twitter saying vdh does less than ppal single target

People just suck at the specs

[grim pilot]

who

[waxen frigate]

But are good enough at the game and dungeon mega to overcome it

[grim pilot]

also

how

xd

[waxen frigate]

Exactly

[grim pilot]

my vdh does same st as my ppals aoe

:xdd:

ok thats a cap but

[waxen frigate]

Yeah

Ppal does fuck all dmg

Outside of giga pulls

[grim pilot]

vdh does

insanely nuts

damage

[waxen frigate]

Where you’re farming blessed hammer and uncapped SotR

[grim pilot]

and tier

[waxen frigate]

Well that comes with the other 2 things ye

I can’t find his tweet because he tweets about Palestine 50x a day

But yeah

He’s 3700

Thinks ppal is more OP than vdh

Ppal single target is actually so miserable in keys man

Like I feel like a detriment

[median tulip]

Nothing is more OP than VDH

[waxen frigate]

Tbf I’m not insane at ppal yet

27 EB dumpstered me yesterday

[waxen quarry]

deios 28 tyran

[waxen frigate]

Bro

Fortified aboms

FUCK

Chillin at 70% hp in consecrate with SotR up

Dead

[waxen quarry]

ppal moment

vdh

6 million

hp

[vale bolt]

Uhh I have a question

[waxen frigate]

What’s the question

[grim pilot]

u can

avoid aboms

btw

[vale bolt]

How does a non dwarf prot warrior survive the dogs in TotT?

[waxen frigate]

We were only doing 1

[grim pilot]

no as in

kite

[waxen frigate]

Oh

[grim pilot]

step back

[median tulip]

hard stops from the whole group

[grim pilot]

they will try to cast like 2 or 3 times

before they stop casting

[waxen frigate]

Kiting on pala tho

[grim pilot]

the tank buster

not even kiting

just

few steps back

[vale bolt]

Have you played keys this week?

[waxen frigate]

Good to know

[grim pilot]

then he casts again

then few steps back

[waxen frigate]

I hadn’t done past like a 22

[waxen quarry]

bleed dispell / kill them fast / hard stops

[grim pilot]

and then he stops casting

[waxen frigate]

27 was ambitious anyway lmao

[grim pilot]

till he has a new "cycle"

[waxen quarry]

raging

[vale bolt]

I have 21 stacks on me lmao

[waxen frigate]

Evoker ez

Paladin bop cancel

[pliant trout]

preservation evoker bis for tott

[waxen quarry]

man i tried world first 28 tyran rise whenever that was

[median tulip]

Only on Surv TBH, I'm kinda done with Protection this season, apart from if I somehow get a Fyrakk Mythic kill

[waxen quarry]

we actually got to deios

ppal tank couldnt live

oneshot through 32852 defensives

[waxen frigate]

PPAL in CDs

[grim pilot]

speaking of

ppal and vdh

[waxen frigate]

PPAL outside CDs

[grim pilot]

my vdh

does more damage than my pwar

[waxen quarry]

not surprised

[grim pilot]

I know how to place pwar somewaht

[waxen quarry]

the last time

pwar did damage

[grim pilot]

my first key ever

[waxen quarry]

was s4 sl

[grim pilot]

on vdh

did more dam than pwar

both aoe and st

xd

[waxen frigate]

Pwarr does dmg

Just not vdh dmg

[waxen quarry]

meh

[grim pilot]

nah

[waxen quarry]

it needs to do more

[waxen frigate]

Vdh does insane dmg

[grim pilot]

pwar does ppals dam

[vale bolt]

I do more damage on my VDH at 465 ilvl than my 484 prot warrior lmao

[grim pilot]

bdk TRASHES

vdh TRASHES

[waxen frigate]

Depends on pull size

[grim pilot]

brew TRASHES

[waxen quarry]

ngl

[pliant trout]

just shows how blizzard doesn't care at all

[waxen frigate]

I don’t like this tie rset

For prot

[median tulip]

ProtWar damage in AoE is fine. Roughly where all tanks damage should be, IMO

[waxen quarry]

fury is prob tankier than brew

in er

[waxen frigate]

(Both prots actually)

[waxen frigate]

Fury unkillable

Insane spec

[pliant trout]

for pwar to get good damage you need to min max

[waxen frigate]

Vdh isnjusr Sigil and vibe

[pliant trout]

other than that it's very mediocre

if you play pwar it's just hardmode

[grim pilot]

bdk got fucked

[waxen quarry]

36k ehrps on tindral

[grim pilot]

by season 2

and now it does

[waxen quarry]

the only ones lower than me

were dead

[grim pilot]

absurd amount of damage

my non lego bdk

[waxen quarry]

for half the fight

[waxen frigate]

I think the issue with some tanks

[grim pilot]

did 260k in eb

with aug tho

[waxen frigate]

Is that only some require you to give up offense for defense

[grim pilot]

so like 220k no aug

or 230k even

no lego btw

[waxen frigate]

Others just let you do offense or more offense

[waxen quarry]

less than that no

blistering scales + ebonmight

n shit

[waxen frigate]

Let me see if anyone logged our keys

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mx9j8XFLWGgYNkC6#fight=2&playermetric=dps

Ppal just doesn’t do dmg man

[waxen quarry]

no one did damage

the fuck

[waxen frigate]

Tbf bad route idk where I’m going

[waxen quarry]

as long as u dont go right its good

[waxen frigate]

Left side farmed us a bit

I mean still 2 chested but it’s also AD

Also has our waycrest

The mage and priest are friends

[waxen quarry]

ad try not to 2 chest challenge

[waxen frigate]

Healer and DH pugs

[waxen quarry]

(impossible)

[waxen frigate]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VH7ha4q3WdbBDGAm#fight=1&type=summary

[pliant trout]

watch andybrew he does a lot

[waxen frigate]

Oh here’s the EB

[pliant trout]

so it's more a gear/player difference

[waxen frigate]

It does less than other tanks still

Significantly

[pliant trout]

o_O no

[grim pilot]

no

[waxen frigate]

And a lot of the damage comes from dropping sentinel for crit wing

[grim pilot]

aug

doesnt take much from tanks

as compared to dps

I'd have to check logs if I have it by chance

[waxen quarry]

you took 50k from me

in the 20 for fun

someone logged it

[waxen frigate]

I mean on my 25 wcm for example I was 92 parse for Paladin Dps on key level

[waxen quarry]

ret brain

[waxen frigate]

Still did fuck all

Prot single target in particular is just nonexistent

[pliant trout]

you need to compare top player for every spec, not some random pug run etc

[grim pilot]

wait

I'll check

after raid

last boss rn

nymue

[waxen frigate]

Brother

[waxen quarry]

[waxen frigate]

You’re delusional if you think ppal isn’t way behind vdh and others

For damage

[pliant trout]

vdh is just broken

he shouldn't exist in current form

[waxen quarry]

i required less

[median tulip]

Considering transmogging Fyr'alath on my Surv hunter, just to see how many people I can Rage-bait

[waxen quarry]

in a 26

from weeks ago

as arms

and i tanked like 2 packs

cause the tank was dying somehow

as vdh

in a 27

26*

[waxen frigate]

27 waycrest just as a random example key level that will have decent sample size

[pliant trout]

just good reflects

probably reflected all Wasting Strikes

[waxen frigate]

Oh I’m not saying pwarr is best

That’s an outlier

Point was more VDH

[pliant trout]

atal is probably best representation of damage

[waxen frigate]

“Bootprint” is Ret

If you actually look at the log

That’s 27 AD

Top actual prot is 160k-ish

For pallies

[waxen quarry]

@grim pilot 11k ehrps 27 brh

as fury

[waxen frigate]

To say their dmg is equivalent is dumb

[waxen quarry]

jolly good spec

!

fury = funny

[pliant trout]

all those logs are super random in reality

you could stack like crit/mastery gear etc

all offensive trinkets

[waxen quarry]

its undeniable

[waxen frigate]

Bro

[waxen quarry]

that ppal has ass damage

[pliant trout]

just play around maximizing the damage

[waxen frigate]

Ya until you die

[pliant trout]

27 is easy

with good heal

[waxen frigate]

Because maximizing damage as prot requires massive loss of survivability

I’m literally using 27s for sample size

[pliant trout]

with good players around you

all keys suddenly become "easy"

[waxen frigate]

30 AD, yoda for example is 50k behind top vdh

Lmao

[waxen quarry]

and yoda is the best ppal

[pliant trout]

hello? why you bring up vdh?

lol

hes just a free tank for tards

[waxen frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/what-why-huh-steve-harvey-confused-gif-3998567347368525851

[waxen quarry]

world first 30 ad

[pliant trout]

rule of the thumb tank deal 0.5 damage of middle dps

i mean if he does it it's fine

[waxen frigate]

“Rule of thumb”

[waxen quarry]

vdh doing more than fury in mass aoe

(more of a fury issue tbh)

[pliant trout]

fury's upside is survivability

other than that they are trash

[waxen quarry]

st/prio is good

[grim pilot]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/g9JWd2nxZFDAvqyY#fight=8&type=damage-done

aug took

21k dam

[pliant trout]

"good" yes

[grim pilot]

from me

[waxen quarry]

99% key level

gamer

[waxen quarry]

st is one of the best

[grim pilot]

imagine

having lego

and head enchant

wouldn't be me

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1036769769543704576.gif?size=44&quality=lossless

[waxen quarry]

too bad there is a spec that does the exact same as fury

but better

(fire mage)

• survivability

[grim pilot]

(shodow priest)

[waxen quarry]

• survivability

FUCK

THIS

APP

i want to type

minus survivability

[waxen quarry]

they fall over

mage doesnt

[grim pilot]

sp

is so tanky

[waxen quarry]

if played like a human

[grim pilot]

20% DR

constantly basically

you can have

50% uptime on fade

so 20% dr with 50% uptime if you want

[pliant trout]

that all counts only for 3.7+ players

[grim pilot]

• what, 150-200k? shield

[pliant trout]

and rare one in lower bracket

most can't play those specs

[waxen quarry]

still squisher than fury who pressed dstance

[grim pilot]

• basically a immunity (mage has a couple of them xdd)

[waxen quarry]

(no cd)

[grim pilot]

tbf

priest has all that without cds

I dont count fade as an actual cd

[waxen quarry]

idk if something changed but they were squishy as fuck in s2

[grim pilot]

nothing changed

maybe they got even nerfed? Idk if I missed something but I thought there was a talent that reduced cd on desperate prayer

every time you use I think shield

or some ability idk

now it's just reduced by 20sec

[compact palm]

Their tier does like 15k dps to themselves avragr

Technicly nerf xd

[waxen quarry]

ye ik spriest on tswift is a big nono

a friend who plays it had to go to his dh alt

on tswift

then went back to spriest on fyrakk

[grim pilot]

I know a guy

that's like 3850 as ret right now

and he says

hes squishiest in his team

and he plays with fire mage and sp

[waxen quarry]

there is no way

[grim pilot]

all of them

are turbo tanky

[waxen quarry]

ret is squishier than sp

[compact palm]

He press sac and become the squishy mabey

[waxen quarry]

maybe with sac ye

otherwise no way

[grim pilot]

sec

I can ask him on bnet

nvm

hes offline

[waxen quarry]

idk imo its like

[compact palm]

Tell him skill issue

[waxen quarry]

fury > fire > ret > whatever

in terms of survivability

[grim pilot]

outlaw> all

[waxen quarry]

noxiv lives more

than yoda

[grim pilot]

lives more in keys

or can live higher keys

because those 2 are different things

[waxen quarry]

idk i think it was their 32 ad

idk yoda and the other rogue were floorpv

for half the key

still timed it

[grim pilot]

what xd

with their

6000% vers

and feint

[waxen quarry]

i think they had 9 deaths

or something

:xdd:

[grim pilot]

man I want to get a good 30

its so easy this week

brh or ad or fall

but nah we had to get rise and tot

:xdd:

[pliant trout]

deaths doesn't matter much if they don't brick the pull i mean you can release and come fast back

[waxen quarry]

thats not the point

[grim pilot]

in 32

they do

[pliant trout]

more depends on the dungeon

many factors but some deaths are nothing special or game breaking

[waxen quarry]

@grim pilot bolstered merciless assault

on a 32 fort

full melee

[grim pilot]

not full melee

they got monk

[pliant trout]

they have monk no?

lol

[waxen quarry]

monk failed with statue

surely

[grim pilot]

then he better

jump out and bait

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1036769769543704576.gif?size=44&quality=lossless

[waxen quarry]

true

[pliant trout]

had a 3.6 mage staying in range while monk baited wit statue >u>

after 5 deaths he left

good it wasn't my key

in range == he was not in melee

[blazing condor]

ppl are very bad at knowing how those juggernauts work

let alone bait them

mage can just mirror image them in range

[waxen quarry]

he lived arcane blast from the 3 casters in eb

[pliant trout]

it's a general statement not just about juggernaut

[waxen quarry]

with nothing

[pliant trout]

3rd boss fall is omfg

[waxen quarry]

30

[compact palm]

Does the shade from mirror bait merc charge

[pliant trout]

people in 28-29 still don't know the timings and what they need to refresh the orb

[grim pilot]

??

[waxen quarry]

the ones before

3rd boss

[grim pilot]

I know

but like

thats nuts

lol

[waxen quarry]

:3

[grim pilot]

I got absolutely fucked

in 29 forti

(as arms)

(ill reflect next time)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1036769769543704576.gif?size=44&quality=lossless

[waxen quarry]

he had dstance but he wouldve survived without it

[grim pilot]

maybe he had a leaf?

or something?

also idk how monk works if they have some hp increase orrrrrrrrr small shield

[compact palm]

Chiji gives small party sheild

[waxen quarry]

he had nothing

[grim pilot]

chiji yeah

but chiji is a cd

thats noticeable

[waxen quarry]

https://youtu.be/pTr0wF3RiE8?si=NgD7V-2eWq91Y7iZ&t=1288

[grim pilot]

because its on everyone

[waxen quarry]

timestamped

idk his goofy ass

ui

maybe 35% vers

buti dk

[grim pilot]

ngl

the damage

is surprisingly low

for a 30

as in the damage requirement

I thought rogues did like 600k each and noxiv 500k to time it

[waxen quarry]

its a sad fury dungeon

[pliant trout]

and the damage as i said tank is ~0.5 of mid dd

[waxen quarry]

[grim pilot]

29 tyra

this guy has to be some biggest unethical padder since he's got all the r1's on vdh

or he's just that good

[pliant trout]

obviously both

[waxen quarry]

0.5 of the middle dps

there as well

[pliant trout]

i don't see the point of discussing vdh it's literaly op/broken shouldn't be in that form in game

everyone knows it

[compact palm]

Bro u can't just say the truth like that

[grim pilot]

bear was still

more broken

than vdh is right now

[waxen quarry]

bear is 🛌

so boring

[pliant trout]

yes thats their ideology to balance

[grim pilot]

havent played bear ever

so cant say

[pliant trout]

create some broken specs to attract players to play them

[grim pilot]

but heard its 1 button spec

[pliant trout]

they don't care about competition/skill etc

"oh my spec is broken now i need to subscribe"

etc

very basic idea

[grim pilot]

I mean I dont know their ideology but there's always bound to be 1 spec that just performs better

sure you technically could balance all of it but you'd still have 1 spec that's higher "tier"

[waxen quarry]

balance was really good in 10.1

u had spriest

[pliant trout]

technically they could fix all this bs in several weeks

[waxen quarry]

better than all other dps specs

but then the rest

were more or less the same

[pliant trout]

i mean make adjustements get feedback adjust again

and it would be fine

[grim pilot]

dps balance is honestly

not that bad right now

you clearly have some outliers

[pliant trout]

it's again more about utility/surviveability

[grim pilot]

not util

survi and dam

[pliant trout]

classes like hunters/shamans should have better defs

[grim pilot]

ret had utility whole season 2 and season 3

and nobody called it meta

[pliant trout]

it's just about adjusting numbers

[grim pilot]

because it was doing mid damage

[waxen quarry]

shamans are way worse

than hunters

defensively

[grim pilot]

and hunters

do damage

[waxen quarry]

unlike shamans

[grim pilot]

yep

[waxen quarry]

ele does dam i think

[pliant trout]

as i said it's very easy to fix

[grim pilot]

only ele can do some

[waxen quarry]

(no one plays it)

[compact palm]

Hunters hero tree will save them in current state

[pliant trout]

just set another numbers in abilities

[waxen quarry]

i mean

[pliant trout]

reduce cd increase dr etc

[waxen quarry]

the reason why fury is so unpopular

isnt even because of the damage

genuinely everyone who plays warrior

[grim pilot]

nah its both

[pliant trout]

damage is mediocre

[waxen quarry]

damage is shit i agree

[grim pilot]

depends what you're looking for

[pliant trout]

if warrs would blast you would see them far more often

[grim pilot]

are you looking for a tanky dps that can do GOOD st and prio?

[waxen quarry]

i mean

[grim pilot]

fury is good

[waxen quarry]

noxiv proved that fury isnt bad

[grim pilot]

if you're looking for uncapped dps, not so much

well

you had crit and biz playing fury all season

[pliant trout]

with dedicated players almost any spec "isnt bad"

[grim pilot]

till arms was buffed

[pliant trout]

thats the hardest part of getting high rio

[grim pilot]

and they were playing at high what, 1 key level below wf?

[waxen quarry]

im pretty sure

[pliant trout]

find players who will play with you

[waxen quarry]

zerocool quit

this season

[pliant trout]

no one wants a prot warr

for example

etc

[waxen quarry]

i mean

this is crazy

ive never seen fury this low

considering the fact that its one of the most played specs in raid

and fury isnt shit

in m+ either

its not that it cant live

i know why no one plays it

its excruicating

having to play this tierset

in m+

i hate every second of it

fuck reckless abandon

fuck anni

fuck this design

[pliant trout]

everyone would be ok

[grim pilot]

ok but realistically

[pliant trout]

if not this key system

[grim pilot]

what does prot war bring

OUTSIDE of battle shout

[waxen quarry]

aoe interrupt

[pliant trout]

nothing so what

i know

BUT

if the keys didn't deplete

and i could just play again and again

i would time it

till like 30s

the system is dogshit

[waxen quarry]

ye but that just ruins it

[pliant trout]

people will be always meta andys

i mean you can't change them but you can change the system

they intentionally making you wasting a lot of time

and you always can find players who doesn't mind to play with "bad" specs

maybe it's even fun

yesterday i did invite 3 dudes like 3.725 for atal 29, they played mediocre died on 3rd pull like 6 times and "ok we are done it's over" (it wasn't)
they are just not invested and because of that my key was done

total bullshit

[grim pilot]

I mean

just go again

[pliant trout]

?

???

[grim pilot]

your key was done

go again

idk

[pliant trout]

if i would have 29 key

sure

[grim pilot]

go 28

[pliant trout]

no

[grim pilot]

as a tank

[pliant trout]

gtfo

[grim pilot]

you can carry the most

[pliant trout]

this mindset

[grim pilot]

xd

[pliant trout]

is giga cancer

[grim pilot]

my guy

[pliant trout]

nah

it's called

time waste

[grim pilot]

it's called

[pliant trout]

it's wasn't about me

[grim pilot]

playing the game

[pliant trout]

no

[waxen quarry]

🍿

[pliant trout]

it's just a vile desing

most keys are skill capped

and they add on top

[grim pilot]

idk really

you're overthinking this

if you really want the title

reroll

[pliant trout]

no i am not

[grim pilot]

if not

[pliant trout]

time is ticking

[grim pilot]

you should enjoy the game

[pliant trout]

thats the problem

[grim pilot]

what does that mean

[pliant trout]

it's not about the title

it's about playing the game

[grim pilot]

you're sitting on class discord talking about a game

[pliant trout]

if i do 27

i learn nothing for a 29

[grim pilot]

idk

stupid mindset

you can always learn something

or meet valuable players

[pliant trout]

no not always

[grim pilot]

can

[pliant trout]

=) anyway doesn't matter, but the system is bad.

many did like and defend nazism in nazi germany many like putin in russia

the same about this key system

[plush tendon]

Why are you here

like honestly

[pliant trout]

i will be gone soon OuO

[north wave]

wtf

[pliant trout]

no worries

[grim pilot]

did u just compare

a game

[pliant trout]

yes

"system"

[grim pilot]

that you spend time on voluntarily

[pliant trout]

no difference

[grim pilot]

xd

xddddddddddddddddd

[waxen quarry]

its a game

[grim pilot]

oh boy

[waxen quarry]

holy shit

[pliant trout]

yes obv

[waxen quarry]

just go again

go 28

[violet ginkgo]

bye2 toad 👋

[grim pilot]

nah man you wont learn shit

[pliant trout]

you can emigrate to another country too

[grim pilot]

whats the point

[pliant trout]

same

[grim pilot]

tell that to people in north korea

[pliant trout]

not much of a difference

thats and edge case

[grim pilot]

you brought up those cases yourself

[pliant trout]

yes can leave russia now

[grim pilot]

anyway this is not the place to argue about whatever you're trying to argue about

[pliant trout]

and you could germany

[lusty grotto]

i thought you didnt care, yet youre comparing a game to vile real life scenarios

kind of a touch-grass moment

[north wave]

^^

[grim pilot]

and I dont care enough to go dm's

[waxen quarry]

i mean

they arent changing this system

player retention is a thing

so get used to it if u want title

[grim pilot]

he doesnt want the title

but he doesnt want to retime the keys

=he wants score

[waxen quarry]

then why complain

[grim pilot]

xd

[waxen quarry]

score is meaningless

unless u want title

[pliant trout]

i really don't care about the title i wan't to do top keys the spec/me can do

[waxen quarry]

its like being a "mythic" raider but not having ce

[pliant trout]

not gated by social bullshit

and system

[grim pilot]

not even

[north wave]

MMO, but doesnt want social aspect to do group dungeons.

kay

[grim pilot]

some mythic raiders

are doing 4/9m

to touch the mythic

without actual aim

[lusty grotto]

> compares game system to extremely bad real life situation```

[grim pilot]

this is just delusion

[waxen quarry]

true

[lusty grotto]

"its just like hitler!"

[waxen quarry]

wow an online pve game has a social aspect to it??????

pugging is bad in all gmaes

games*

[pliant trout]

no

[waxen quarry]

not just wow

[pliant trout]

lol

not true

[grim pilot]

name 1 game

that's not some niche game

played by 30 players

[pliant trout]

pugs in wow are even fine

[waxen quarry]

name 1 competitive game

[violet ginkgo]

it's true though... lost ark pug is even worse

[plush tendon]

this is serious bru moment bois

[grim pilot]

you just

complained

[pliant trout]

IF the key holder wouldn't be punished

[waxen quarry]

[grim pilot]

about pugging in wow

how is it fine

[plush tendon]

can someone just link a vault so we can get off this topic

[hazy bronze]

Comparing keys to nazism is something

[violet ginkgo]

you have multilayer gatekeeping at lost ark

[pliant trout]

totally fine

[waxen quarry]

whats the point then

u will just rng ur way into 30s

[pliant trout]

no it's not

[grim pilot]

so you'd rather the game rewarded brute forcing

and hoping to time it

[waxen quarry]

^

[grim pilot]

when all stars allign

[pliant trout]

it's the point for people with mental disorders like stockhold sydnrom or something

[grim pilot]

instead of skill

[pliant trout]

i waste time

and on top of that extra punishement

[grim pilot]

but pugging is fine

[pliant trout]

hello? i do accept what people fail etc

and it's ok

[waxen quarry]

yapping off the charts

[north wave]

Anyone truly worried about wasting time would not be playing a video game, imo.

Just roll with it rock with it

[lusty grotto]

hoooooly

[pliant trout]

i don't accept what artificial rules dig me

i mean deplete the key lower and lower

[grim pilot]

go learn stocks lil bro

[waxen quarry]

then dont play

[grim pilot]

that's not a waste of time

[waxen quarry]

(surely)

[grim pilot]

you sitting in lfg for hours

is definitely not a waste of time

[pliant trout]

will happen soon UuU

[north wave]

Thought warrs were supposed to be super chill

this is some real mage/rogue shit

[grim pilot]

sitting in lfg > retiming a key

[lusty grotto]

lol it happens emshay

[violet ginkgo]

no we are super aggresive, think about it our resource is rage