and this new mach fits well with that varition, ofc i dont have to drive me crazy
#protection
tribal wharf
tribal wharf
Prisitine cotainment pack
tribal wharf
like said before, its a pain to farm and wh comments are unhelpful
opaque quest
Might aswell keep the one from the rare mob
tribal wharf
i think it suggests can be gotten from some reputation weekly
opaque quest
Possible. There are some world drops that can drop from the 10k paragon chest iirc
tribal wharf
one of these days i will join some guild and make them do my bidding to get it
soem active guild,. clarifying
opaque quest
Just get into a mass guild with 1k members and ask nicely
Thats what i do when i want something
warm wraith
can someone give me some advice im 3k prot and i do about 80k to 150k dps depending on the dungeon is the okay ive seen a dh do 240k as a tank...any advice would help...also i pull like a demon so it doesnt make sense
jagged pier
we would have to see logs to give u advice
if u would rather PM them to me your welcome too, or send to @warm plinth
teal swift
toxic pewter
I was planning to be the first vulpera world wide to get the legendary
just did not happen
plush tendon
echo egret
can someone give me some advice im 3k prot and i do about 80k to 150k dps depend...
- you shouldn’t compare to another class
- on top of your personal gameplay, it’s heavily dependant on the dungeon and the size of pulls
tribal wharf
only reason i would ever play vulpera is for more bag space and ranged pull
dr just a nice to have at that point
warm plinth
Why do you need a ranged pull when you have heroic throw
tribal wharf
40 v 30 y iirc
tribal wharf
i'd rather be ugly than dead or a vulpera or a gnome
waxen frigate
so based
strong forum
AKA miss me with ever playing a dwarf
bad opinion detected
waxen frigate
bad opinion detected
go do your homework big guy
strong forum
none to be had
tribal wharf
nome is the homework and the test
you got anything wrong hes gunna let you know, and hes probably right about it
strong forum
okay now youre putting a little too much trust into me
tribal wharf
you are pretty smart guy i will give you that
i cant do a 27, you can
and you are writing the guide for us
waxen frigate
okay now youre putting a little too much trust into me
im already drafting my formal complaint to submit as soon as the guide is up
toxic pewter
Wait Nome is writing prot warr guide?
tribal wharf
not orange name though
or yellow or blue
how come why this is
4k and CE should be that i would say
warm plinth
He'll be CE soon. He's 8/9 atm
strong forum
ill get PI on next reclear
tribal wharf
pi is power infusion ? for higher log score?
waxen frigate
pi is power infusion ? for higher log score?
yeah its a crutch (he needs it)
(i dont)
yogi when are you getting ce
strong forum
9/9 now basically guaranteed
tribal wharf
i have cutting edge in most doom games Kappa
tribal wharf
don't let em do a mental thingy on you
wind oak
also i cant help but feel the PI is a test
Execute more !
opaque quest
also i cant help but feel the PI is a test
Imagine needing PI during trial to not get kicked 
valid finch
just need an opinion, use the LFR fyrakk axe or craft a 476 weapon instead?
safe heron
just need an opinion, use the LFR fyrakk axe or craft a 476 weapon instead?
craft 86 weapon
cmon its 5 +16
tribal wharf
what classes is it that doesnt benefit from lust alot
like someone said i cant remember probably rsham uses alot of mastery
valid finch
craft 86 weapon
i dont have the crest for 486 lol but it do for 476
valid finch
what classes is it that doesnt benefit from lust alot
resto shaman is crit & vers atm
opaque quest
Sim it. Gholak might still be ahead but im not sure on the LFR version
waxen frigate
what classes is it that doesnt benefit from lust alot
any class in the game that doesnt like haste
most energy specs don't care for it (so monks and rogues)
tribal wharf
keys have gone to total crap this afternoon anyways
waxen frigate
come tank my 24 BRH
tribal wharf
i think immay try another game
tribal wharf
i got steam games about killing aliens
waxen frigate
i got steam games about killing aliens
yogi pls
thin silo
i think my trial hinges on it
Columbo voice Oh, just one more thing...
tribal wharf
no
waxen frigate
waxen frigate
i dont think demons come from not hell
tribal wharf
far as we know religous christian hell
waxen frigate
i think thats part of the deal
tribal wharf
this one is im trapped on spaceship attached to another spaceship
and things are going horribly wrong, everyones dead or dying, pathways are falling apart and on fire, doors dont work lights dont work, systesm dont work
and of course, what was on the other ship? a whole bunch of aliens
toxic pewter
ngl not sure why people hating on this legendary, lmao just owned a DH with the channel attack thing is fun as hell
arctic finch
ngl not sure why people hating on this legendary, lmao just owned a DH with the ...
nah bro , its totally fine having to wait 4 months in order to be competitive and have fun , nothing wrong with having to wait 4 months at all
toxic pewter
i mean I am grateful we even got a fun legendary
I thank blizzard
I am going to make a forum post thanking them
waxen quarry
most energy specs don't care for it (so monks and rogues)
assa
waxen quarry
arctic finch
i mean I am grateful we even got a fun legendary
make sure to also thank them for putting restrictions on covenant swapping and having to do campaigns on alts , i see you like this design
hexed onyx
How long do you guys think we have left of the season?
hexed onyx
Plenty of time for me to learn and enjoy prot then wasn’t sure if its worth it if it was only a couple of weeks or so got bored of my main and wanted to choose between going back to BrM/guardian which I last played in BFA or trying Prot which will be brand new I think Prot wins rn
median tulip
Plenty of time for me to learn and enjoy prot then wasn’t sure if its worth it i...
Protection Warrior is not actually difficult
I mean, WoW is not actually difficult, but even in WoW Protection isn't the hardest spec to play at all
jagged gust
Arguably the easiest tank to play
solemn current
I always tell people it's low skill floor high skill ceiling.
jagged gust
And tanking is one of the easier specs to play
median tulip
I always tell people it's low skill floor high skill ceiling.
I would agree with this
solemn current
If the spec was as easy as people made it out to be you wouldn't have so many of them playing so poorly.
median tulip
And tanking is one of the easier specs to play
Roles, you mean. But yes. I really don't understand why people have this belief that tanking is hard.
jagged gust
yeah roles, word wasn't coming to me lol
median tulip
If the spec was as easy as people made it out to be you wouldn't have so many of...
I mean I've run into terrible players of every class, spec and role
tribal wharf
ya, no more keys for me this week lmao
solemn current
Most demon hunters at higher keys can at least put out some respectable damage. Prot warriors are a rare sight, and lack of damage is a good sign of lack of play/survivability. Ironically though in shadowlands most prot warrior doing challenging content were good because the skill floor so was so damn high.
Hell a friend of mine picked up prot warrior and did nothing but talk about how easy it was while playing it completely wrong lol. Still managed a 24 even though.
strong forum
there were only like 5 prot warriors in shadowlands who played prot warrior correct
strong forum
bait used to be believable
median tulip
I played Protection all through SL
solemn current
That's not fair I played it correct, I just didn't push high keys on it lmao. Buddy of mine tanks so key pushing is usually dps and heals. Unless of course you meant out of all the higher key pushers.
median tulip
I'm not the greatest tank in the world, but I got Curve and whatever the rating achieve was
lusty grotto
you forgot Late
urban portal
Oh mb
lusty grotto
also i dont count cause i only joined in S4
i was gone in s2/s3 fuck that expansion
solemn current
I'd have enjoyed it more as a tank if not for necrotic. That was no tank week for me. Or forever lasting sanguine.
hasty fjord
Roles, you mean. But yes. I really don't understand why people have this belief ...
In my experience the hardship comes from the tank being the leader of the group. Pulling which group of bad guys, what path or route to take or go through. When lust should be applied, etc. I think those things are what makes it “hard”. I think healers have other worse, not only need to heal a tank, heal the dps, make sure they dont die 1st, and to deal with a lot of affixes. Tanks dont deal with affixes.
median tulip
In my experience the hardship comes from the tank being the leader of the group....
The whole "leader" thing is overdone IMO
There's like... one dungeon that requires anything other than "hold W, murder anything that gets in your way"
chilly brook
there were only like 5 prot warriors in shadowlands who played prot warrior corr...
Damn bro really throwing shade at me
waxen frigate
there were only like 5 prot warriors in shadowlands who played prot warrior corr...
i was not one of them
median tulip
DHT is an easy key
median tulip
The only thing that can really go wrong is some idiot DPS standing in front of a boss
tribal wharf
lots of fiddly things i dislike about the dungeon
tons
like, its not dumpster fire floating down the flood tier bad
median tulip
It's basically "don't stand in that" for 20 minutes
tribal wharf
but its just like, its a small dumpster fire and the chef can see it from his window so he tells someone go put it out
i dislike it the more times i run it lol
median tulip
Things to not stand in, in DHT: The rep goop on the floor, the Hippogriff charge, the red goop on the floor, the red goop on the boos room floor, the boss frontal, the green goop on the floor, the brown good on the floor, the rooting plants in the boss room, the boss frontal, the red swirly, the dragons breat weapon, the brown goop on the floor, the red or purple circles, the pink boss swirlies
the only thing you do stand in is the purple circle on the boss
GG EZ+3
warm plinth
I'll stand in your purple circle
tribal wharf
the furies are horribly designed
not enough of a flash when they die to signal they will respawn, so every single time i jus walk past
then wipes the group
depletes the key
median tulip
You mean the red elemental things?
tribal wharf
yes, those things are so horrible
tribal wharf
pretty ambigous how they become bigger adds after dying besides "kill it"
cuz its not whatever the bolt spell it spams is
median tulip
and you know, just remember that they spawn some adds
tribal wharf
those things are just a nightmare to deal with to me
median tulip
I can't say I've ever had an issue with them
tribal wharf
i can
grim pilot
why r u an anime
warm plinth
eh?
They don't become bigger adds after dying ever
They become bigger adds after casting blood metamorphosis
It has nothing to do with them dying
median tulip
You just save Shockwave until they start casting Metamorphosis and that's all there is to them
tribal wharf
i dont like them lol i think they are very poorly designed easy to screw up and when you do you get massively punished
just an opinion
warm plinth
idk the mobs the big mobs aren't even hard; they're just time consuming
We had like 3 turn in a 21 yesterday (we were meming hard) and we didn't even wipe 
median tulip
The big mobs are just another "don't be in the frontal"
Like most of the rest of the dungeon
"don't stand in that" = problem solved
warm plinth
And the transformed big guys don't summon small guys again
tribal wharf
like shit, i have enough trouble trying to get lumber in warcraft 1 2 and 3
warm plinth
I--what
tribal wharf
just to build a fuckin, base expansion or barracks or some shit
tribal wharf
like, damn, i dont need the games to be super complicated
warm plinth
not even 200k dps, scrub
grim pilot
median tulip
The key thing to understand about the big Bloodtainted Fury things is that the Blood Assault (frontal charge move) heals them if they hit someone. So turn them away from the party and dodge when they cast it
tribal wharf
too much slanted for you to lose is my opinion
warm plinth
You know yogi gets hit by every charge Zet 😉
median tulip
Well you know... don't do that
median tulip
like I said, the whole dungeon is just "dodge"
valid finch
Sim it. Gholak might still be ahead but im not sure on the LFR version
thanks for the advice simmed on RB lfr is 3k dps better than crafted 476 longsword
waxen frigate
The only thing that can really go wrong is some idiot DPS standing in front of a...
i had a 23 DHT like an hour ago
where the priest dps just died like twice on first boss
and then nobody cc'd incorp so i rolled over to prevent second cast right as a frontal came out
and the pally ate that
and then ran a 22 with another group
had 3 deaths on it
but still got it
some things cannot be explained by logic
median tulip
It genuinely shocks me how bad some pugs are at that boss
waxen frigate
ya im like
really not even sure why the priest in the first key was dying
he got healed more than me
median tulip
Probably standing still in the red goop
warm plinth
GTFO should be built-in
median tulip
if you're not padding with Spell Reflect then you're doing it wrong
tribal wharf
i just think if your gunna have mythic raid bosses with 87 mechanics and keys that scale to 4689%hp/dmg, thats when it makes sense to have grossly overpowered abilities for player
things like 30+ second bubble or druid aoe healing ult does lkke tons and tons of healing
waxen quarry
i mean
keys where shit actually hurts
are just for fun
29s give the same reward as 20s
thats the interesting part of high keys
coming up with ways to time them
tribal wharf
i feel like keys require a vote to time out
warm plinth
what do you mean by that?
waxen quarry
like
a pause mechanic
where the group can vote to pause it
or something?
for 10 mins or w/e
tribal wharf
world goes bw stands still after majority vote for 90 seconds up to 3 times per key, to allow for discussion of strategy or wait on dc guy
key timer does not move and you dont regen, cant run around
backwards lust if you will
waxen quarry
idk sounds like an issue 1/20 groups face from time to time
pallid quiver
Sometimes, you just gotta take the most M A S S I V E dump of your life, and your body says that toilet is getting destroyed NOW
I do think it'd be nice to have a timeout vote, though, would be a very nice qol feature, but I can also see why they don't want to do it because it could probably be gamed to let people relieve some of the in the moment stress of keys and other possibilities
tribal wharf
itd hzve to have a cooldown
waxen quarry
I do think it'd be nice to have a timeout vote, though, would be a very nice qol...
no its just not worth development time
pallid quiver
Like, sometimes kids need attention being minded to and all. I'd be fine if they took time out of dev to brainstorm possibilities for a system like this, though I wager they already have, and I also wager the community backlash would be heavy on such a feature
tribal wharf
they already backlash that its not already in game after x years
pallid quiver
I haven't actually seen much support for a pause feature. Rather, I've seen backlash for the player decided breaks in raids sometimes
tribal wharf
in a raid its not as good of a tool
rl just calls out tanks stop tanking healers stop healinh, sooves itself
warm plinth
There's too much potential for abuse
for a pause feature
It also takes away from the whole concept of M+, which is supposed to be a time trial
pallid quiver
That's my understanding of it, yeah. It'd be nice to have, but it feels like it goes against the spirit and would be too likely to be abused.
I'm almost positive they've probably brainstormed it themselves when even iterating on M+, too, hence why I wouldn't really debate it or not.
warm plinth
I have finally seen it
A prot warrior who did not press shield block a single time in the entire key
pallid quiver
I'm watching important fighting game game reviews and I still have to click this
pallid quiver
I'm impressed he had over 10 CPM on Shield Slam
Just looking at this
he was swapping stances
He was willing to go into defensive stance
but not block
warm plinth
He has immovable object too
pallid quiver
It's the Defensive Build
you get kicked from raids sometimes if you don't talent into it and BSV
waxen quarry
bro is wilding with all that vers
strong forum
I need to up my game
need to reflect harder
pallid quiver
Oh, Nome, when's the next set of trials again, by the way? Seem like it's going well so far?
pallid quiver
Last I heard, you were gonna get PI or something next run
pallid quiver
I have no idea how long ago it was I read that
strong forum
or i succeed it after next raid tier
i dont think the trial will be finished before 11.0
pallid quiver
Fair, but here's hoping all goes well for you
pallid quiver
I've got zero idea how groups like the pick for Mythic raid since the last time I did any kind of intentional, desire to raid was MoP, but I'm hopeful at least you'll get a spot as long as you can stay consistent. The self critical part should help force you to stay competitive
kind glen
Do people really macro shield block?
strong forum
they shoukldnt
kind glen
Thank you. I'm getting told something else and am getting gaslit
pallid quiver
It's like eating your instant ramen noodles raw instead of boiling them.
You can, but you really shouldn't.
It's detrimental to your existence as a living being to do so, but it is, in fact, something you can choose to do, like turning your back to mobs or using whirlwind
waxen quarry
its more like having a food supply for an entire month but u eat everything in a week
the first week its fine u are overeating and feeling happy
and then u starve and die
same with shield blcok
its fine until it isnt
once it falls off since u macrod it and used it when u shouldnt
u dont have it when u need it
strong forum
wait are u trialing for nocco
yes
waxen quarry
gl man
strong forum
ty
pallid quiver
you should free yourself from that hell and play fight games with me instead, ghash
lusty grotto
wat u doing ghash, i need vault keys
pallid quiver
I can play non-animoo, too
lusty grotto
can do anything
warm plinth
wat u doing ghash, i need vault keys
I just logged off. I'm fuckin miserable atm. Cold sweats and shit; it's bad.
pallid quiver
Can't believe Ghash is making poo poo
lusty grotto
jk get better man
cerulean tusk
If your poop is cold, ya in big trouble, call a doctor
warm plinth
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a:zKZqkVgJpByGbNfM same log as before but this one was the waycrest
this one at least pressed shield block but that's all the good I can say for him
grim pilot
need to reflect harder
u did
156k on logs
I did 147k
its also that 10k diff
my 27 vs your 28
cerulean tusk
Just saying, if SB% was always 100% for warrior. Just passive. Warriors wouldn't be as disliked by pugs
waxen quarry
how do you check wasted rage
kind glen
resources > rage
waxen quarry
ye it doesnt show autoattacks as arms
pallid quiver
I believe that falls under just the rage category
Anything that's like baseline rage gen (getting hit, for example) should fall under that iirc
lusty grotto
shrug
strong forum
my 27 vs your 28
29
lusty grotto
my arms logs are showing it
strong forum
:smug
waxen quarry
grim pilot
29
ok
tho
I worked on my rotation a bit
and SS is top dmg in both keys I did
B)
have u seen my 480k eb nom
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
🤷
cerulean tusk
480k overall DPS is impressive 
waxen quarry
interesting
sometimes it shows
warmachine and shit
and sometimes it doesnt
too late for this shit cba
cerulean tusk
Ah, you didn't do 480k as tank, but DPS. And a VDH was AoE pulling. I am no longer impressed
Thought you did 480k as prot warr
warm plinth
Yeah I doubt that's even possible
waxen frigate
it is for me
warm plinth
You're not even 4035 io; don't give me your sass
waxen frigate
dont speak to me im ascended
i play prot paladin now
i freedom people
i'm better than you will ever be
warm plinth
I play prot paladin too
warm plinth
I'm the greatest prot paladin to ever live so...
pallid quiver
Yeah I doubt that's even possible
It is once I boot up Cheat Engine
toxic pewter
when tww prepatch
uneven mason
I'm the greatest prot paladin to ever live so...
Do you have more CE than god
waxen frigate
I'm the greatest prot paladin to ever live so...
warm plinth
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/953489558471864390/1214054767681208391/...
How'd you get that video of me
marble oasis
If people arent kicking the displacvements
and mine kick is on CD is there anyhting i can do like spell refelct or do i just have to mitigate
grim pilot
Not sure what displacement is (add in sand area in rise?) but spell reflect is mitigation tool
25% magic dr
Or 20% I forgot if they changed just the cd on it for prot or also the dr
jagged pier
they need to be cc'd
warrior unfortantly doesnt have anything to do that with
u can sotrmbolt into fear one of them
but thats it
@warm plinth hit me up with the how to log stuff please ❤️
median tulip
why do people wait sometimes like 20sec before entering last room on EB?
The boss aggros once you enter, so you should let the tank go in first, and they might wait for lust timer or something. Or someone else to get close.
ionic fern
There's also a RP, maybe you are thinking of that?
ionic fern
DH: "This is another one where i think i should have Meta up"
Everyone else "Jeah, we wait".
Just listen from 26:25 onwards.
opal forum
i thought he was talking about archmage
but ok
so i guess theres nothing to it
just waiting for CD
thanks
ionic fern
27:13 - "Jeah, we wait for meta."
You can also see the meta timer on the left side of the DH party frame.
So jeah, just waiting for meta, no "secrets".
grim pilot
u can sotrmbolt into fear one of them
also being aware of your surroundings and using them to los will be one of the solutions
that's how I've managed to solo yazma from 20% hp, and in general how I managed to dodge an affix that's about to go out
quick elk
does the intervene spell reflect combo not work? I thought back in the day i could intervene and spell reflect party members. So i tried it in TOT on the the mobs that put that drowning healing absorb on ppl. But it never worked.
waxen frigate
Intervene is a dead talent
quick elk
As a talent I'm sure most would agree. but I'm more interested in it as an ability.
waxen frigate
I mean it’s dead as that too
It just doesn’t do anything useful in pve in any reasonable circumstance
Needs to be reworked as an ability into something useful
quick elk
taking damage for a party member on a 30second CD is not useful? not looking to get distracted from my first question. but if intervene was baseline. it would be niche not dead.
waxen frigate
How often is a party member getting auto attacked
As for the first question if it’s not doing anything I’d assume it’s not a something that works anymore
I only started in SL but I don’t recall ever hearing of that in the time I’ve played
placid needle
If you need to help the other tank in raid maybe?
Niche situation but it has a use.
jagged pier
no u literally never do that
quick elk
Niche means that its not something that is going to be useful in all the time, only in special circumstances. Halls of valor was probally the most recent case i recall
fenir fixate
jagged pier
but thats not spells
thats literally him AA the target
which u then take the AAs for them
nothing to do with SR
quick elk
that's where i think i have been wrong, i thought there was a time when you could intervene spell reflect
jagged pier
maybe the odd coded spell here or there, but i cant recall any 🤷
and if u read the the tooltip of intervene it does just mention melee and ranged attacks and usually that wording means physical attacks
nothing to do with spells
but tooltips cant be 100% trusted
quick elk
Thanks, it would explain why i couldn't reflect for my party members. i thought perhaps it was my execution . it could be that I'm confusing the DR intervene could to give.
and that would DR on Spells
back in SL that is
jagged pier
it just reads like block, could have changed or somthing or they actually made it do what it does on the tooltip now
🤷
but yer like outside of fixate mechanics its pretty useless
if they bought back safeguard it will get some value but thats not worth talking about as we dont have it
quick elk
Yeah, just trying to understand why i had linked it to spells. but safeguard is probably what i was confusing. Thanks for helping clear that up
ionic fern
Too late Jakey.
jagged pier
jagged pier
POG
jagged pier
R1 affi incomming
jagged pier
imagine me trying to get into keys on my DH
ionic fern
Doesn't help that pug tanks pull like 2 mobs at a time causing me to deal 0 DPS.
ionic fern
imagine me trying to get into keys on my DH <:keks:936231610850897992>
Isn't it insta invite?
jagged pier
at 420 havent tried but probably not
ionic fern
"5k io main" in notes and ggwp.
jagged pier
i still just press the flashy button
tbf tho i need more haste im unsafe while setting up and setting up takes ages
ionic fern
Ooo reaallly?
In the few keys we did the packs died before i got to the "SPam seed and actually deal damage" part.
So i feel you.
ionic fern
I got no idea why haste is important in that sense. But i believe you.
I just tried to snipe Drain Soul kills to prepare for next pack.
😂
jagged pier
I got no idea why haste is important in that sense. But i believe you.
fracture just feels slow on the recharge and the gcd feels slow 🤷
i dunno
ionic fern
In WM or EB?
Many trees.
I'll take that as WM.
Since that's the only time your HP moved.
jagged pier
WM
ionic fern
BUT YOU CAN'T DO +10 KEYS BELOW 470 ILVL JAKEY.
jagged pier
had spikes up felt safe boss at 25 stacks should be fine, melees me for 80% my hp 
jagged pier
BUT YOU CAN'T DO +10 KEYS BELOW 470 ILVL JAKEY.
TRU
ionic fern
My biggest issue with DHT is just the necessitiy of certain classes for skips at any relevant key level.
It's annoying and restricting.
You lose so much time messing in the keeper area.
blazing condor
I havent done higher than 25 but i always bring a lock just cus i cba to do the bears any other way
Also healthstones are pretty nice help for the first part of the dg for ppl with the rip on them
tribal wharf
as tank, i just dislike the the very first pack which is incentivized to be big pulled and lusted, has 3 - 4 mobs spamming tank disorient
which immediately causes me to lose aggro and the team gets meleeds in the face... on the first pull........... great......................
even better with fort...... and sanguine! or bolster!!!
fuck ya im excited already
ionic fern
Again, Yogi, that's a big "i don't know what mobs do in this dungeon" issue on your part.
blazing condor
I dont think disorient has ever been an issue for me on that pack
What Mwahi said
Its literally just an interrupt to keep track of
tribal wharf
sure i think you can argue that, i think its just horrific game design
first pul of the dungeon fuck you
ionic fern
....
tribal wharf
HAVE to do it or team dies
ionic fern
I forgot how pointless it is to explain things for you and you just want to complain.
tribal wharf
theres no other choice, thats forced, just makes it stressfull :S just my opinion
ionic fern
"mechanics are stressful".
Don't do m+.
Don't raid.
Enjoy open world.
You're welcome.
compact palm
Torghast angle
tribal wharf
i just think its a mechanic for middle of the du ngeon or end of dungeon trash
not first pull that you huge puill and lust
ionic fern
It's a mechanic that just requires you to use your abilities, like any other.
compact palm
I don't think I've ever gotten. Disoriented on first pull
tribal wharf
ya, im not guna argue with you mwahi today4
sharp night
there are 3 birds that cast it
tribal wharf
im just not into it rn
compact palm
They usually dead be second cast
tribal wharf
im sorryt, normally im a bit spicy and overly defensive
not today
i don't have the energy to give a shit
compact palm
Been playing slay the spire lately big fun reccomend
blazing condor
viral arch
i just think its a mechanic for middle of the du ngeon or end of dungeon trash
it is the literal only mechanic of that pack as a tank
there is literally nothing else you need to mind or give a shit about besides "omg mob autos me"
cat leap? not your problem
poisoner poison? not your problem
bear roar? not your problem
so in reality all you're saying is one mechanic is too much for you
tribal wharf
all i did was state my opinion
that i dont like the dungeon as much after last nights event
im not gunna argue and continue to further explain myself now, im clamming up
viral arch
The word for "baseless ranting because I depleted a key due to me fucking up a single mechanic and pretend I'm the victim and that the dungeon is unfair instead of learning to not let the one mechanic you have to give a shit about through" isn't "opinion"
tribal wharf
sorry, i am no longer responding to this conversation topic
choose a new one or a new participant to speak with
beep bep boop bop, i am npc
covert flower
only issue with DHT is it's just fucking boring
next to no mass pulling, shit mob density, boring bosses
boring to tank boring to dps
blazing condor
Its just boring
Idk theres nothing positive about it
Bosses are meh and trash are meh
Respawns suck
Timer is not very lenient
And its usually a more difficult dungeon than many others in the pool
covert flower
I mean this time around it's like smack bang middle of the pack I feel
throne, EB, Rise all harder
at least IMO rise is harder even after the nerfs
I'd rather do Tree than Deios
I'm so bad at Deios if I don't go into that fight with cheat trinket available I consider the key bricked
tribal wharf
currently in the process of rigging up dbm / bw to notify me of that disorient... that one was easy.... jusst a tick box.... looking at the dispersion one now, since i always miss that, but have to get it from wowhead i think
median tulip
Yikes, well that conversation history was certainly a read
warm plinth
<@255696891000389633> hit me up with the how to log stuff please ❤️
Step 1. Download WCL Uploader from http://www.warcraftlogs.com
Step 2. Go into your game options, go to Network, and make sure Advanced Combat Logging is checked
Step 3. Download Loggerhead addon; this will prompt you every time you enter a new area/difficulty and ask if you want to auto log. Other addons do this but this is my preferred one.
Step 4. Once you're done with the dungeon or when you're done running for the night, use the uploader to upload your logs for the night. I usually make sure my game is closed when I do this so that it will let me delete the file right away afterward (since you don't need it once it's online).
uneven mason
Made the mistake of scrolling up 
I'ma go hangout in #guardian and see if fish has any rants
waxen frigate
Made the mistake of scrolling up <:nomgusted:1116593275277692980>
I'ma go hango...
I can start shitposting if you want
jagged pier
you dont want to go to guardian
waxen frigate
I’m on my homelander protection Paladin arc
jagged pier
that place is scary
waxen frigate
I’m the real hero
blazing condor
really put the dream in dreamgrove
jagged pier
good few days of memeing from that
blazing condor
the 
was insane
"no you have to have bis timewalking items and gems and enchants and even then its too hard and overtuned"
then you do it with like full greens
"no that doesnt count"
jagged pier
the biggest cope was 'ITS A BEAR CHALLENGE I SHOULDNT HAVE TO SHAPESHIFT'
brother is a class challenge
swap form
blazing condor
"what do you mean i have to utilise my entire kit"
jagged pier
yes
blazing condor
i thought thrash + incarn was enough
jagged pier
blazing condor
pro tip: don't play a shape shifting class if you dont wanna shape shift
uneven mason
It's been really quiet after season 3 started
blazing condor
same goes for boomies/ferals who wont go bear form to reduce damage intake
uneven mason
Like season 2 DF in guardian was some fun times
jagged pier
well the big thing was u did actually shapeshift for max damage at the time in raid at least so its not a new concept, I know tank discords are usually mostly m+ers but still
uneven mason
same goes for boomies/ferals who wont go bear form to reduce damage intake
Idk, I only sit in guardian, the rest of dreamgrove scares me
waxen frigate
PTSD from when Mage Tower was brought back
Couldn’t be as bad as the monk civil war at the start of DF
median tulip
I tried playing druid, but they somehow manage to have more specs than everyone else, but all of them suck to play
tribal wharf
speaking of shapeshiffting i wonder if shaman will get summon dire wolfs support as hero spec
uneven mason
well the big thing was u did actually shapeshift for max damage at the time in r...
Yeah boomconvoke was fun
tribal wharf
lvl 3 wolves was absurdly over powered in wc3
uneven mason
Summon wolf = shape shifting
waxen frigate
Isn’t that already an enhance thing
median tulip
Spirit Wolves is a capstone Enhancement talent
tribal wharf
ya, far seer summon dire wolve, well they used to turn into ghost wolf
uneven mason
Isn’t that already an enhance thing
Since wotlk
tribal wharf
and druid cant shape shift wolf, dragon is dragon
waxen frigate
ya, far seer summon dire wolve, well they used to turn into ghost wolf
They can also do that
uneven mason
ya, far seer summon dire wolve, well they used to turn into ghost wolf
Still can
tribal wharf
ya, i ifgured they should be able to attack as that form but they i remember it was for movement
and thats how i started thinking about the summon wolf
uneven mason
You can auto attack as a ghost wolf
tribal wharf
farseer = shaman, fight me
waxen frigate
farseer = shaman, fight me
They have/had an ability called farseeing
uneven mason
farseer = shaman, fight me
You're not wrong?
waxen frigate
I don’t think anyone would disagree
median tulip
I'm sure that War Within will be a perfectly standard expansion of Shaman being completely ignored by the Devs
uneven mason
It's legit their class title
waxen frigate
Oh is it lmao
tribal wharf
it better be all about shamans
waxen frigate
It won’t
tribal wharf
like shamans controlling the earth and lava and water
uneven mason
I'm sure that War Within will be a perfectly standard expansion of Shaman being ...
Idk, Green Jesus is back
uneven mason
Thrall gets his mojo back while anduin discovers he has 3 dads
median tulip
They aren’t mage/Paladin/DK
You forgot Demon Hunter
waxen frigate
Eh DH is less so than the other 3
Just more recent
It’s like saying evokers are the main character
tribal wharf
DH is the weird uncle that shows up at christmas drinks pukes gives a bunch of presents and goes home for the rest of the year in terms of what classes are the main character
uneven mason
The better question is
How many times will they rework shadow priests
compact palm
At least 3x as many as specs that actually need it
median tulip
Shaman really got shafted in DF though. An entire expansion with an elemental theme and they got jack shit. Even when there was a Shaman Boss dropping a totem... It was a tank trinket.
waxen frigate
The better question is
How many times will they rework shadow priests
Not a quantifiable number
blazing condor
you know who REALLY got shafted this xpac? archaeology
mf put out an entire xpac of rediscovering a 10k old isle filled with all kinds of cool shit
revamps the entire professions system
and still
waxen frigate
Surely brawlers guild is coming back soon
uneven mason
you know who REALLY got shafted this xpac? archaeology
Ikr, one of my racials completely wasted
waxen frigate
Surely I’ll be able to experience it sometime
tribal wharf
shadow priest is probably also the main character
uneven mason
mf put out an entire xpac of rediscovering a 10k old isle filled with all kinds ...
NGL, the original owners of said cool shit are still around, so maybe they just were like, bruh, that's not a artifact it's my baby brush
tribal wharf
blizzard loves them and so does players
uneven mason
🙃
waxen frigate
shadow priest is probably also the main character
They’re absolutely not
Blizz does not love them
They don’t know what to do with them
The reworks aren’t out of love
tribal wharf
then why are they always so over powered
waxen frigate
They’re out of confusion
uneven mason
They’re absolutely not
Anduin embraces the void, goes full shadow priest
waxen frigate
then why are they always so over powered
Spriest has been shit for like
4 of the last 6 tiers
waxen frigate
Anduin embraces the void, goes full shadow priest
Anduin is a fake priest
uneven mason
Anduin is a fake priest
No he's a fake paladin
waxen frigate
Absolutely a paladin
uneven mason
Just like thrall, guys a pushover until he drops his weapon
waxen frigate
Faction war zzz
uneven mason
Reminds me of a eq player I had on a TLP server
Guy was a holy paladin main in wow, so he rolled a paladin in eq.
Paladins in eq are 80% tank 20% healer, was absolutely shit at both until we got him on a cleric, was literally the best healer. ..anduin just needs to accept he's a disappointment to daddy and drop the sword
Be that cloth guy who does uppies
uneven mason
orc shaman vs human paladin
During classic this was always fun
For the shaman
Just stay at shock range and kite
Let your searing totem and fost shock do their thing
tribal wharf
TBF isnt that anything vs warrior
tribal wharf
i think the only thing a warrior beats in a 1v1 is a pirest, and probably a druid
rogue, cuz warrior = big rogue
uneven mason
Paladins were legit just boned if you could stay outside of hoj range and purge their seals
teal swift
tribal wharf
i have never ever liked playing healer
not for a single second
cuz, if you dont do it right everyone literal dies and its all your fault
fossil spindle
Even if you do it right, its horrible. You cant heal stupid
tribal wharf
i cant do it on priest or monk i know thar much for sure, if anything resto shaman, i dont know if i was good with resto druid i want to say no
probably wouldnt be good on dragon
covert flower
the difference between healing a good group and shit one is night and day
tribal wharf
i don't really mind holy paladin healing but im no good at it
shaman is easy, just put poop shield on everyone
warm plinth
Put what now
Earth Shield is only one target, or the shaman + 1 target with the talent
And it's not really a ton of healing
covert flower
on these shit keys I'm running on my shaman rn it's about
8-10% of my healing
probably way too much actually
but there's like no use for cloudburst or anything the dmg coming in is so low
warm plinth
Yeah on shit keys you basically don't use anything on shaman
I had that problem learning how to heal on it in Shadowlands, ended up having to throw myself into the deep end
covert flower
Yeah I'm 442 I need to push my own key
I can't keep healing these 11-15s
I'm falling asleep
just doing the crest farm grind while it feels relevant instead of
getting way past them and then doing it
and feeling worse
warm plinth
Yeah it doesn't help that the dps rotation for rsham is very boring
opaque quest
You dont like spamming lava surge?
dry lily
I'm about to start mythic TSwift prog, I've only started playing prot since halfway through Smoldy prog. What's the best way to deal with the mushrooms? Just having IP up, SR and having SW up?
dry lily
they do no damage
Even better, good
dry lily
I believe they treat tindral as the source so you can even demo shout
Awesome
Any other general tips?😇
uneven mason
Don't turn your back to the boss
dry lily
I saw the talents you use is a bit different to Smoldy
dry lily
Don't turn your back to the boss
Already got that 😛
uneven mason
Are they
uneven mason
I guess
Yeah
I'm lazy
I just always run spell block
Because it's such a miniscule difference
And I'm derp enough that I'd forget to swap back
And not have it when I'd want it
dry lily
thats the only difference
I saw some prot wars taking a talent that deals extra damage to shields
dry lily
To the left of the class tree, don't know it's name
jagged pier
does like nothing
like u swap sidearm
does the same damage
the shield isnothing anymore anyway
dry lily
Ah okay
strong forum
I'd swap bounding stride for it
jagged pier
nah helps with mushrooms
jagged pier
tinddral
jagged pier
exactly so u swap sidearm for it
bounding stride helps with all the movement u end up doing
having it back sooner on P3 for seeds
giving a bit of boost of speed for mushrooms
when u dont get a run speed
really worth tbh
but the shield is up for like 4-6 seconds so wrecking kinda dudu now
dry lily
I really like playing prot war, but I hope we get a DPS warrior soon so I can return to my 489 ilvl DK with lego😅
violet ginkgo
Just tried Blood DK, it's completely different style to warrior, the HP is like going up and down really fast while being prot warrior is just steady drop.
dry lily
Yea I know have played DK the whole tier, but had to swap to prot war because we don't have a warrior
hazy bronze
Quack
uneven mason
Trying to explain that 50% of my damage relies on the rest of the raid to get the boss to 35%
waxen frigate
Just tried Blood DK, it's completely different style to warrior, the HP is like ...
It’s pretty much the opposite mitigation style. There is still blood shield though
waxen frigate
I'm duck jail too
I’m in ppal jail now (I put myself here)
Turns out having responsibility sucks 😄
plush tendon
BDK in raid is playing the game on EZ mode
strong forum
Straight up
plush tendon
Not really sure how you balance raid tanking... for the most part its pretty snooze
chilly brook
Imagine being the token warrior for battle shout <:sadge:820202363359854633>
Same here but I also blast so they like me
plush tendon
but I play a BDK (and VDH, War, Pal sometimes, but not this tier); not sure how other tanks feels tbh
especially the later two bosses
warm plinth
Same here but I also blast so they like me
strong forum
Sir I've had an RT+UE gamer in heroic the other day
uneven mason
Literally no CD use
strong forum
Dude did 60k dps
chilly brook
<:copium:839076283467431956>
It’s true though
strong forum
At 488 ilvl
warm plinth
Gapped by the hdh
uneven mason
Hard to compete with pressing 1 button
chilly brook
We got a lock but idk what spec he plays
uneven mason
I like how #protection is basically just "less bitchy #arms" this season
tribal wharf
i do not like green eggs and ham
chilly brook
Cuz both affli and demo do 400k++ on tindryal
I think he’s actually demo
strong forum
zinc iris
An Assa rogue doing feathers almost out dpsed out demo
uneven mason
Innit that aff
zinc iris
This was our myth chicken tindy kill
violet flume
both suck afaik
if you cant raid hourglass and rezan trinkets are best
i think lfr fyrak heart might be better than rezan?
hazy bronze
Yogi trinkets are special
tribal wharf
this is true
my vault this week was the tale of 2 eggs
and tomorrow, it will be some picks just as dumb
covert flower
run cheat trinket and pull like an absolute key terrorist while it's up
biggest dps increase there is
tribal wharf
if cheat trinket myth is in vault absolutely i will take it
most weeks i open as prot anyways
never appears, or not at a track worth taking
violet flume
tbh when i pull big im more worried about the group dying than me
cheat death trinket or not
grim pilot
Cuz that spec is just outright cheating
we had 2 locks, 1 of them logged 4 and still did over 300k
winged slate
It's not like the functionality of the trinket is really any worse at a low ilev
grim pilot
stupid fucking spec
covert flower
Feel like aff has almost always been an insane parse spec in raid
like as long as I can remember
waxen quarry
ye cause no one plays it
uneven mason
The reverse of arms
grim pilot
it's not reverse of arms, arms is good in raid and good in m+
tribal wharf
i think thats what i prefered to play as in raids in shadow lands
waxen quarry
it's not reverse of arms, arms is good in raid and good in m+
nooo you cant say that
tribal wharf
mortal strike and execute all day
waxen quarry
warriors are bad
grim pilot
doomers gonna doom
tribal wharf
doomers gonna doom
waxen quarry
arms destroyed by gnarlroot as well
grim pilot
smolderon 95th, arms is 5th highest spec
tribal wharf
i asked gpt to make a riding lawnmower in the style of doom armor
chilly brook
Arms owns
tribal wharf
most came out like this or more pepga
grim pilot
volc, 6th (basically equal to 5th)
waxen frigate
i asked gpt to make a riding lawnmower in the style of doom armor
Proud of you good work
tribal wharf
after being isnulted at the current doom lawmower for sale
tribal wharf
it feels like ffs, you should buy the big lawn mower that has the doom armor
and u get that little shitter for free with it
warm plinth
Yogi were unaware of what you're talking about 99% of the time
tribal wharf
skill issue
waxen frigate
Yogi were unaware of what you're talking about 99% of the time
I’m not
tribal wharf
train langauges
waxen frigate
Yogi and I are on a similar wavelength
waxen frigate
train langauges
Like whistles and chugs
tribal wharf
allll aboard
waxen frigate
I’m moving like David Attenborough
uneven mason
Doom ran in my Ti-82
lusty tiger
Scientific data computer is quite the fancy name for a calculator
tribal wharf
well you see
the thing is, scientfic calcs do science shit, more accrurate or something, and it cna be programmed to draw say a ball
lusty tiger
Can it draw my balls?
tribal wharf
i mean, if you are so inclined i bet you could draw penor and balls on it
tribal wharf
just dont try drawing with your balls
hazy bronze
Can it draw my balls?
You look like you got nice balls
lusty tiger
😉
grim pilot
fall 27
my overall sucked ass because we had some wipes on boss etc
tho did big pulls
strong forum
branch
strong forum
where signet
grim pilot
483
strong forum
fall is a signet key
grim pilot
vs 489 branch
grim pilot
and 2nd slot is booked for stonescales
strong forum
in fall?
jagged pier
grim pilot
because my dumb ass tends to fuck up
tribal wharf
i think i sold it even
strong forum
ig no rageheart does that to one
grim pilot
I dropped shield block
strong forum
id play signet + rageheart
grim pilot
for 1 second
before the frontal
had spell block up but frontal + dot + mobs
hurt
so my death procced
that's the only time it procced
strong forum
grim pilot
I had to review it because it was too hard on 24
and I had pala come with me
and freedo mme
and it was day and night
strong forum
imagine still not having every trinket in the game except mythic pips and mythic fyr trinkets
grim pilot
6 times easier on 27 than on 24
kind glen
don't take my rageheart, other alts in my guild need it first!
grim pilot
imagine still not having every trinket in the game except mythic pips and mythic...
imagine still not having mythic pips and mythic fyr trinkets