protection

[tribal wharf]

ZUG ZUG

[cerulean tusk]

Not heroing bosses on Tyra week, does sound kinda iffy

[restive scroll]

That's the way to go most of the time, but you had to plan the lust reset to be able to pull goliath with it

[restive scroll]

Kinda have to, in a few instances

If you want to have as much uptime as possible

[cerulean tusk]

Still WCM in my head, but ye

minmax uses, depending on timeings - so you dont lose a use overall

[tribal wharf]

pig boss tyranical approaching and above 20 has chance to be very scary boss

[restive scroll]

The 3rd bl might be on trashs in wcm

[restive scroll]

Indeed

[tribal wharf]

i've wiped more times on the pig than i care to recount

[cerulean tusk]

Cant underestimate bosses on Tyra, that is for sure

Tho - Tyra week equals huge SR value

[chilly brook]

Last 25 I ran

And I was pissed with the Hunter/mage for being so low

[cerulean tusk]

Ye, that is more like it

[chilly brook]

They bricked my key by being so low

[cerulean tusk]

Well, what you think happens when everyone do 150k?

[tribal wharf]

i thought shaman healer waas supposed to be strong dmg spec?

[cerulean tusk]

[tribal wharf]

like more than some other healer spec

[chilly brook]

Like it’s EB man, you should be well over 250k

[cerulean tusk]

Did you pull weirdly?

[chilly brook]

I shouldn’t be top dps in that comp as an arms boi running Jugg spec

[chilly brook]

Other than people dying in trash pulls no

[cerulean tusk]

Ah, bolstered stinger got em and jumpyspinnnyboy?

If so, I can see it

[chilly brook]

Spinnyboi and people not focusing the hulks

[cerulean tusk]

🫂 sorry about your key

[chilly brook]

Like I’m pinging the hulks for a reason guys

[tribal wharf]

What rolls down stairs, alone or in pairs
And over your neighbor's dog?
What's great for a snack, and fits on your back?

[cerulean tusk]

Chat says it is a log 🌲

[restive scroll]

Oh yeah.
Tank looks low aswell, or is that normal for a pal?

[chilly brook]

Idk I don’t pay too much attention to tanks unless they’re blastin

[restive scroll]

Idk about pal tanks, or even blasting, but I mean, in eb...

[chilly brook]

Ye I know it’s low

I’m just sayin I don’t really pay too much attention to tanks but I was pulling aggro on some mobs

[restive scroll]

Oh. That's ... Uncommon

3 people that should be 50k higher (at the very least) means 150k dps missing, that's quite a lot though

[warm plinth]

249k from a bm hunter in EB?

[tribal wharf]

only sadness is within this video

don't click it

hit in the back 2 or 3 times by boss/adds, didnt demo, didnt do the healing ability

[warm plinth]

well that was tragic

[tribal wharf]

we timed the key dont worry

[restive scroll]

@tribal wharf Are you playing cheat death?

[tribal wharf]

cheat death talent or trinket? no to both

[restive scroll]

was wondering about trinket

Given what you say, that might be worthwhile

the talent meh though

[tribal wharf]

i do own dungeon cheat death trinket but its capped at 476

[restive scroll]

Good enough, the effect is the important part anyway

[tribal wharf]

i just need to play better get hit in back less

[chilly brook]

You don’t gain much from ilvl on the cheat trinket

[restive scroll]

Of course, we can always improve.
Just saying the safety net could help you out

[covert flower]

they're like

very strong dmg when they can but if they're struggling to heal they'll do a bit lower dps

their only passive damage really is acid rain

I'm sure the most cracked shamans blast

[tribal wharf]

i alwyas figured they would dip into the ele side

[covert flower]

They don't have anywhere near the "free" damage that disc or monk have for example

[tribal wharf]

faster lightning bolts, improved lightning and earth shock frost shock stuff

[covert flower]

also on top of that

haste is generally their worst stat so their cast times are a bit fucked

I think a lot of the higher up rshams are running very low haste values, it's either that or mastery some switch it up

I've seen some with like 700 haste

[tribal wharf]

i dunno if they still have the multi use chain lightning in df but that was really cool in sl

hit both friendly and enemy

[covert flower]

Like I have a 430 something rsham and on low keys where I've needed to do like 0 healing

I've done like 30k+ overall

[tribal wharf]

hashtag make masery not suck agtain

[solemn current]

You run enough for your casts to feel responsive enough but with tidebringer and alike talents you don’t need that much. Most shamans run roughly 15-20% haste. It’s actually one of the best damage stats but it’ll make you run oom quick.

[covert flower]

yeah that's another thing

shamans have mana problems if they're spam dpsing

You're bleeding like all your passive mana regen away and when the big healing needs to come in, you'll see yourself insanely low fast

[solemn current]

It’s not the dpsing it’s the healing. Shaman doesn’t have mana efficiency like monk and disc. Dps spells are cheap just can’t heal while doing damage.

[tribal wharf]

i figure im gunna farm 17/18 ad for rezan now

[covert flower]

no no, IK it's the healing

[tribal wharf]

be nice to have at least 483 of it

[covert flower]

But your mana doesn't go up when you're dpsing, so if it's a dungeon with a lot of constant dmg going out pack to pack

you just won't be able to afford to

[solemn current]

I have to stack something like 45% crit just to try and get some mana return. I can do anywhere from 60-120k dps on my shaman it just depends on key, key level (because more healing is less damage), and how brainless your group is.

[covert flower]

it feels satisfying af to play though

and their agency is like crazy

2 low cd aoe stops, 12s ranged kick, can do afflicted very well, incorps fine

I don't like that their dispel only has magic baseline though that's kinda shitty

Shamans literally are thematically like built to deal with curse, why is it a talent

[solemn current]

Believe all healer dispels are magic baseline no? Because all dps dispel specs have to talent into their dispel.

[covert flower]

O maybe they are now, I haven't touched other healers since SL to be fair so you might be right

don't ever even look at their trees

don't play any other dispel classes either

just play war/hunter

IG it makes sense though yeah, all dispel dps can talent into it so it has to be the same for heals it's all class tree shit

[solemn current]

They are also tanky as shit with earth shield DR, a shield, and vers stacking. Not monk tanky but not far either. Just can’t put out the healing throughput the meta specs can and don’t provide the same level of group utility/buffs.

[covert flower]

eh I mean dude honestly

10% stam is no joke

that's the difference in an entire key level of shit like dht stomp, soulrend and whatnot

just passively too

[solemn current]

Only if you’re proactive about it. Most high resto shamans are in tanky comps because they can’t help classes live quite like the meta healers. Laren plays with warrior ret vdh and Aug/rogue for example.

[covert flower]

high hp pool, vers stacking, passive dr, you're not gonna be surviving the highest one shots for sure but you're pretty much set on the highest keys non god tier players are running

also pretty nice paired with some specs that can't survive every mechanic themself with high hp pools

like hunter/dk

like good example might be tides 3rd boss where just having 10% more health on those classes is the diff between getting flattened by flame shocks or not

or very frequent big dmg events like waycrest last

where you're not gonna naturally have a cd up for every one

[solemn current]

Externals plus a group buff is gonna be more reliable and powerful than ancestral vigor honestly. You can give up the tanks earth shield to give to them for some DR but that feels bad. Only result to that in situations where the tank won’t need it because ultimately I wont have an external to give to them otherwise.

It’s not meta for a reason lol

[covert flower]

not meta, sure

but it can still do -1 top keys

can't be said for pres evoker, hpal is a bit behind

it's a little ahead of holy priest which is a decent spot I'd say

think there's a decent amount of comp variety too

[solemn current]

They’re about 2 levels behind, hpriest has the problem of disc exists so priests will play whatever is better, anyone who’s played pres evoker in keys knows why no one wants to play it (plus Aug has been a thing), hpal isn’t really that behind compared to resto sham but even then why would you play it when prot and ret exists that provide the same utility.

[covert flower]

I mean just comparing rank 1 vs rank 1 specifically

It's an 80 io diff, which equates to about 10 per dungeon or 1 key per dungeon

I don't think that's terrible, now IK there's only a few people up at that level, but that's also in part to people playing other healers/people forming groups with other healers obv

uh that's rank 1 rsham vs rank 1 rdruid sorry

actually even closer compared to other healers

priests it's about 60 diff, monks about 50

[left trout]

what do the flowers in everbloom do that kills me so quickly and how to i combat it

[lusty grotto]

flowers put a stacking damage taken debuff on you

[chilly brook]

Stacking damage taken debuff

[lusty grotto]

you can dispel it with freedom, tiger's lust, avatar

[uneven mason]

Dwarf

[chilly brook]

Get freedom or tigers lust

[lusty grotto]

they dont kill you by themselves

[chilly brook]

Or dorf

[lusty grotto]

they just make any other mob hit you for a shitton of dmg

[left trout]

i see. i wondered why it seemed ok in the begining but after a bit i start dropping fast

[covert flower]

what I can only assume happened is

you were getting bombed by buffed up dancing thorns

I mean your death recap on details will show it

It can also happen if you do lashers and abom and don't get dispelled

[tribal wharf]

what about paladin healers are they good, our group rejected a 470 rsham and mulling over a 465 hpal for 17 ad :S

like, im not that picky but ok

[covert flower]

uh I think the healer community generally accepts the current iteration of hpal is less than savoury

there will be some decent ones but I think they need to do more to achieve less than other healers

Also ret/prot are meta

[tribal wharf]

yeah cuz i finished my 18s farming for vaults so i can do 17s for hero gear

faster to just get into 18s

[covert flower]

Don't think any kind of spec is going to matter at the 17 range just take people who have decent ilvl and io

nowhere near the level of key to be picky about anything

[jagged gust]

You say that, but for some people 17s are pushing their limits so they'll still fall for the meta trap

[covert flower]

No I understand that some people struggle with 17s, but in almost no world does comp ever really decide those keys, just decent play that's it

[tribal wharf]

true

[covert flower]

It's not like you need any utility/defensive power to survive boss mechanics or anything

[tribal wharf]

he in my group after all

not 5000 iq photoshop yes really

[lusty grotto]

whats wrong with him

i dont see the issue

🤷

oh

i see

[covert flower]

I actually don't

[lusty grotto]

doesnt matter hpals can heal decently anyway its just other healers have more going for them

i did vault 20s to 24s yesterday on alts with an hpal and he didnt skip a beat

the biggest problem that i think hpals have is that they severely nerfed holy shock with the s3 prepatch healer changes

i think it was holy shock

healer changes basically fucked them over real good

kind of similar to how rally got fucked by the same healer changes, i.e. nerfing group wide cds

but it is what it is

[tribal wharf]

hes a ret

[lusty grotto]

so? whats wrong with rets

[tribal wharf]

oh, nothing wrong with rets at all

just we were talking about hpal earlier

[lusty grotto]

right thats why i mentioned the hpal thing

[dusky canopy]

Relearning muscle memory for ability is real bad x.x

[tribal wharf]

seen so many frost mages this week

[strong forum]

cuz its the easiest of the mage specs

[pallid quiver]

Can confirm, that's the specific reason my friend plays Frost

It's still sometimes too complicated for him, but he's trying

[dusky canopy]

frostbolt

icelance

repeat

winning

[jagged gust]

One person in my guild who still hasn't figured out the rotation for BM hunter after playing the entire season

some people just don't have a chance

[pallid quiver]

It's a good thing that boy I know is extraordinarily lucky, otherwise he'd have died making his way out of the womb

[tribal wharf]

Me and the healer and later just me had to solo yazma from 10 million hp

[waxen frigate]

?

what rotation

thats like saying u dont know how to walk

[waxen frigate]

the tyrannical AD experience

[jagged gust]

bro they managed to parse a 3 with 130k on mythic gnarlroot

[lusty grotto]

good job yogi

[grim pilot]

it would be fine

if you had any fucking ways

to do the affix

LMAO

I died on 28

[tribal wharf]

i will be so glad when i get rezan trinket hero

[grim pilot]

because cant do affix

[tribal wharf]

never have to go to that shit hole dungeon again

[covert flower]

dude ad is fine

you have 3 easy bosses and 1 like somewhat difficult boss

and most of the trash just gets shit on

go left, miss mantle kicks, let wildfires get spammed, let fiery enchant go off, get 30 deaths still time the dungeon

Bonus points if you're just yoloing the juggernauts

[lusty grotto]

rooting for ya

[tribal wharf]

lots of reasons to not like ad imo

but its just not an opinion

[lusty grotto]

nah AD is fun

[tribal wharf]

lots of little things that add up to make it crappy imo

[lusty grotto]

sure, like any other dungeon

[covert flower]

ok

there's one bad thing about AD

the dungeon difficulty is literally at the very back of the run

you will get to yazma with 10+ mins left consistently and nothing else u did mattered

[tribal wharf]

its good, its on the better side, but there is alot of thinngs in there just don't enjoy having to deal with, stuff that is stresful rather than fun

[covert flower]

that's the only thing that sucks with that place

If yazma was the first boss it'd be about 10x as good

[tribal wharf]

hard to say

there just eems to be a huge disparity of both trash mobs and boss abilitiees that are ..... do nothing do nothing do nothing do nothing, kills the healer and wipes the group.

[covert flower]

well let's see

rezan is straight tank damage, nothing else

totem boss has very high group dmg but he's just that, move around and tank and spank

transfusion boss kills itself for you

[tribal wharf]

troll is you or group HAS to kick on first to 3rd (preferably sooner rather than later), an priestess is you stun the add and get in gold

[covert flower]

cc adds and just use defensives on the succ

[tribal wharf]

blood, avoid gold mb

only priestess im not scared of

that fight rarely if ever does dmg or wipes us

[covert flower]

I think yazma is fine too, it only really sucks when you get to the level where u need either super tanky classes or babysitting to survive soulrend

like I think my hunter lives a 27 soulrend with like 30k hp natty

[lusty grotto]

at his range yazma isnt fine cause people still dont know how to that boss

[covert flower]

Yeah but it's also really easy for him to solo it when his group dies

providing they actually put some good dmg into the boss

IG not on incorp week though

that's a bit of a bastard

[lusty grotto]

hes not doing that high, so anything beyond that is just a tangent

and will not help him

if that makes sense

[covert flower]

Yeah

It's a boring solution but

you can always solo it (again incorp sucks)

you'll usually get there with infinite time

[tribal wharf]

the key i said about an hour ago was a 17

[covert flower]

like 20 and below I'd expect with few mistakes you're walking up the stairs to yazma with 12-14 mins on the clock

[tribal wharf]

from 11.2m me and healer

[covert flower]

tell your group you know they're gonna panic on that boss and fuck up and die to spiders or drop all 4 soulrends split around the room

[tribal wharf]

and then from 5 mililion for me

[covert flower]

but to leave the boss soloable for you

cx

it's the tech

[lusty grotto]

yeah its rough with incorp

its not impossible but

[covert flower]

It actually is doable yeah

[lusty grotto]

will require a shitton

right

[covert flower]

just need to make sure you're storm bolting the last cast

refreshing the debuff before it disappears is really bad

[tribal wharf]

part of what fucked us on that pull was we had 70 seconds on lust CD when i pulled boss

so its not like we had lust u ntil like 75% hp

[covert flower]

Yeah lust timings in AD are actually like the worst

[tribal wharf]

but its never just 1 thing for when im bitching about and complaining about ill never run X key again

its usually a whole bunch of shit that when combined ai cant overlook it all

[covert flower]

IDK I feel like AD is an exception

[tribal wharf]

like tol dagor, and shrine of storm, lesser extent undersuck

[covert flower]

Like honestly the only real struggle you should have should be last boss, you can get some issues with the trash to the left because it is pretty kick/stop reliant

there's some dangerous casts

[tribal wharf]

basically all of the SL dungeons

[covert flower]

I actually liked the SL dungeons

except for when it was inspired on spires of ascension

inspiring w/e

like I don't know of many dungeons if any off the top of my head where

the run is decided by a singular trash pack

[tribal wharf]

spires of ascension was a mostly good dungeon but it was bad because it went on for so damn long

42 minute timer or some shit

[covert flower]

nah SOA was actually not as long as you think

SD/DOS had longer timers

[tribal wharf]

de other side, same reasons

total dog shit, hated it on a timer always

sanguine depths annoying to pull but its short and easy

[covert flower]

Sanguine depths had very strange boss scaling

2nd boss was known to be bad but on higher keys 1st/3rd really stepped up

especially 3rd high keys omg

3rd boss SD can go to hell

[tribal wharf]

halls of attonement whoever desinged thta dungeon should be atoning for that sin!

the mob population

[covert flower]

HoA is kinda everbloom-esque

you do 3 bosses in the span of like very little trash

it was like 2nd boss, 2 packs, 3rd boss, the room with the big guy and all the little adds, then last boss

except the bosses in there were considerably easier, only 2nd was really a problem

the last boss did have really high dmg when he did the ritual but it's not much different from priestess in AD

[dusky canopy]

I actually liked HoA alot

[covert flower]

I think the timer was pretty tight though

you did have to move really quick

NW/Plaguefall/HoA/Mists/SoA/DoS/ToP/SD

Think that's my easiest to hardest

last 3 could swap around in any way honestly

ToP had disgustingly tight timer not sure you could even wipe once after a certain key level

[tribal wharf]

theatre was the best dungeon

it was bit of a pain to run

[covert flower]

Mists had bad tyrannical scaling

1st boss is like witherbark except actually dangerous

[tribal wharf]

problem the shadowlands dungeons have is if you put them in current keys, how the hell wouild you handle the "necro only" items

would anybody even remember? would anybody even know or care?

[covert flower]

I think they'd tune the dungeons to not need those

like we'd just play them without it

[tribal wharf]

should there be no restrctions on who can use that and then it becomes boring "do this to win?"

[covert flower]

the only one that's weird is the mist checkpoint one but they can just make the checkpoints baseline

I think they're a bit too strong honestly

like back then they were kinda balanced a bit around using them and they expected you to bring somebody for those things

[tribal wharf]

maybe its something that automatically goes off now always there to begin with

liket he venthyr jars in depths, those would open soon as you got near and in combat

[covert flower]

Yeah I couldn't imagine running the gaunlet without that buff high keys

it's so strong

[tribal wharf]

i really think for dungeons and raids needs to be a risen gravestone when you activate one

skulls and flowers and chipped smokey around it, cross/death related icons

so in any language you see it, and "oh i respawn here, i know what that is"

[fervent timber]

Are there any break points on secondary for tanking? Also, Crit vs Vers. I know crit can give more parry chance, do we still get cdr on swing timer when we parry? Does verse apply to ignore pain still?

[left trout]

Not really besides the one for itf if you wanna call it a break point it's just when you can maintain shield block. You can quite safely sim for dps. Nothing happens when you parry now. Yes.

[lusty grotto]

we get swing reset yes

versa does applies to IP yes

breakpoints are nothing to worry about, they are not goalposts

haste hard cap is 7100 unbuffed rating

a lot of this channel including myself go crit over versa, for that specific question

unless youre pushing rank 1 keys, dont bother

either is fine, choose whatever you prefer to be honest

[left trout]

Eyyy 1 wrong not to bad.

[urban portal]

I don’t think swing resets exist

But I could be wrong

[lusty grotto]

youre wrong they still exist

they just dont exist on mobs

[urban portal]

I see

So you get a free auto when you parry?

[lusty grotto]

for several expansions now

its a haste

not specifically a reset

[urban portal]

K got it

[lusty grotto]

depending on swing speed, it could be considered as much though

[covert flower]

@fervent timber

I prefer crit over vers, they perform somewhat similarly but the majority of damage you take is still melees

parry strong

[strong forum]

Parry haste speeds up your current auto attack swing by 30%

So essentially in aoe pulls

You auto attack 30% faster

[covert flower]

also

[strong forum]

Cuz you're just perma parrying

[covert flower]

there's a few situations where parrying is just better like

goliath in WM or

[strong forum]

Well yeah

[covert flower]

IDK another boss that melees like a truck maybe

[strong forum]

As explained on the stat page on wowhead

Parrying auto attacks let's your healthpool and IP work more against unblockable/unparryable sources

So it does infact, help vs magic dmg in large pulls, it's just not as apparent as vers

It's a more backwards way and not as on the nose

But it's there just as much as critblocks are also there

[covert flower]

also a few other niche benefits like

if it's bolstering fort week

vers isn't going to save you from like 7x bolstered melees on a mob

[strong forum]

Well you shouldn't rely on parry in that moment either

[covert flower]

IK but it's going to give a ton more value in that spot

[strong forum]

But you're less likely to be 1shot by a group of bolstered mobs

You also accumulate dread petal stacks slower

Less dog bleeds

[covert flower]

soul venom too right, just less important because dispel

[strong forum]

Nah

Those mobs don't "melee"

They just apply the debuff on Hits that aren't absorbed

[covert flower]

I always wonder why I'm getting no stacks sometimes, do they have to deal damage or something?

o

it's absorbs

[strong forum]

Yeah

If you have a full absorb up

The debuff doesn't apply

Like cocoon, powerword shield, rageheart

Celestial brew, soul monger

Stuff like that prevents debuff application of those

Or bulwark from pally

Same goes for bloom in fall and Rise

If you full absorb the hit of bloom, the debuff doesn't apply

On anyone

Atleast I think the spiders don't melee

Never actually checked if they small ones do melee damage

[covert flower]

I always just assumed this meant parry had some value there

[left trout]

Is this from brh?

[covert flower]

yes

[toxic pewter]

finally got the axe

after 14 weeks or some crap

[lusty grotto]

grats apb!

[strong forum]

Only 1 week less than the guaranteed drop!

[toxic pewter]

lmao

awkward

[toxic pewter]

i truly am a lucky man

[lusty grotto]

chad gamer

[strong forum]

Imagine not being a 2% drop rate lucker

[toxic pewter]

wait why the fuk i gotta do stuff to get it wat goin on here i didnt sign up for this

im goin back to solo shuffle

[strong forum]

🙂

[toxic pewter]

the life of a pvper is so simple

[strong forum]

Enjoy a tortuous questlinr

[toxic pewter]

i just queue all day dont gotta do nothing

[strong forum]

Which can take anything between 4 and 14hrs depending on how many helpers you can find

And how efficient you're willing to be

And paying 150-350k gold

To craft it

[toxic pewter]

oof

at least I will have fun and make grand memories along the way surely..

right..? .. right?

[strong forum]

🙂

[lusty grotto]

yes

[opaque quest]

Good news everyone. No PSU problems. I gave the card all the beans now. 15% Powerlimit to get amps up and Vcore down. +350Core +150 Vram clock. -50MV

Card pulls 280W in Time Spy and beats a 4070ti

https://tenor.com/view/not-bad-ryan-reynolds-gif-23839048

Crisis averted

All that with a reference card too. 2.5 slots only 27CM. Sure the card sees 85C but thats with all case fans set to minimum and card to 50

[warm plinth]

idk what all that means but I'm happy for you

[cerulean tusk]

I am glad and happy for your success

[opaque quest]

[opaque quest]

Minus power draw + big powa

Reference card means its the basic ass AMD model. No huge cooler or factory overclocking

[opal forum]

fkn atal dazar

always so far ahead of the timer at last boss

never able to kill it

[opaque quest]

Its hard for ppl to not step into purple shit

[opal forum]

the fight is so boring for tank

im just there

turning in circle

spamming my cd

and watch my mates die

pop a whirlwind every 2 pack on adds for emotionnal support

ravager of course

not whirlwind

[jagged pier]

i member at the start of the season i got told u can keep going in a circle

because its too hard for ppl to dps

and i should soak the spiders instead

[opal forum]

yes bro just soak the spiders

[opaque quest]

Just soak 5 at once so its faster

Dont waste time playing the game

[opal forum]

spell reflect those spider back to the boss

[jagged pier]

u mean thats literally what was said to me

by a dps that cant use eyes

[wind oak]

are eyes even real ?

[opaque quest]

Depends

Are you blind?

[opaque quest]

Yazma oneshot speedrun any %

[opal forum]

that dungeon is the easiest and the hardest at the same time

it always go so well

but you already know

that ur not gonna finish that boss

[opaque quest]

Its like underrot. Also the easiest yet hardest dungeon

[waxen frigate]

anything but this man

this was a fucking 20

[opal forum]

i feel like the few times i killed it

i was the only one left alive with maybe 1 dps

[opaque quest]

4:30

Yazma is a tank solo kill in most pugs kekW

[regal yacht]

Whirlwind as prot?

[opal forum]

read under

always mix the 2

yes my rotation is slam whirlwind and i dump my rage on revenge

+rend of course

[ionic fern]

[opal forum]

its good

my friend is AOTC and he plays that

[opaque quest]

You only got 4k loser. Imagine not having 1 mil

[opaque quest]

Mine too what a conincidence

[waxen frigate]

😦

[opaque quest]

jeree isnt here i could console you baby

[urban portal]

I think he means ravager

But we’ll find out

[vale bolt]

What are high key pushing prots running for stats?

[opaque quest]

Item level. Whatever they get from vault in 489 is fine

[vale bolt]

I'm looking to start pushing but my stat's are Arms lol

[opaque quest]

Grab some haste crit and youre fine on warr

Item level is king

[vale bolt]

Yea I'm 485 already but I have a bunch of rings I can swap out

What's the go on vers?

[urban portal]

It’s fine

[waxen frigate]

is arms not very similar stat prio

haste crit

[opaque quest]

Vers is fine. Its just overshadowed by crit because crit tends to do more damage and parry is -100% damage

[urban portal]

You can walk in with just arms gear and it’s fine

[opaque quest]

Ye unless you do 25+ you can probably play with 0 haste

[waxen frigate]

fury gear would be different but...

[vale bolt]

My sims for arms keep telling me to go mastery so I have like 45% lol

[waxen frigate]

im 99% sure arms wants haste crit unless this tier changed

[opaque quest]

na haste crit was last tier

[waxen frigate]

oh

xdd

[urban portal]

Well

For arms it’s just what sims the best

They are all variations of 1% damage

[waxen frigate]

ok you can say that about every spec

[opaque quest]

ya

Ye but haste crit dont sim good anymore after 5k lmao

[urban portal]

Happens

[vale bolt]

Ok so I'm taking crit then. Sounds good

[opaque quest]

Even last tier mastery simmed the highest

[urban portal]

40/40/10/10 is powerful

[opaque quest]

Just equip your highest item level

[vale bolt]

Is a meme

[urban portal]

No it’s not

[opaque quest]

Its not lol

[urban portal]

Ask rafkar

He’s in liquid

[vale bolt]

They're all the same iLvl hence why I'm asking

[opaque quest]

Ah. Go haste crit then and call it good

7100 haste is the goal

[vale bolt]

Ohh that's a lot of hast lol

[opaque quest]

5400 is fine

[vale bolt]

I think I'm like 5k iirc. I can switch done enchants/gems

Also assuming wafting is better because it has more defensive aspect?

[opaque quest]

str is parry. There is a def aspect too

[urban portal]

see

[opaque quest]

Just sim and use w/e sims higher. When its close go wafting for comfy

[urban portal]

told you

40/40/10/10 gets you into liquid

and yeah strength is parry, armor, bigger IP, everything

[vale bolt]

Problem is sims tell me strictly dps. Dps is fine in a 20 but going into 25-27s I think sims might mislead

[vale bolt]

Roger that

[opaque quest]

no. If dead = no dmg

[restive scroll]

Gear matters little with enough haste, gameplay does.

(including not pulling more than you can handle)

[vale bolt]

Do sims take into account damage taken?

[restive scroll]

No

[vale bolt]

Right so that's being pulled out of his ass then lmao

[opaque quest]

No

[restive scroll]

Yes

[opaque quest]

Your damage taken is reduced by playing well not some stats

[restive scroll]

^

Assuming you have enough haste*

[vale bolt]

I am aware, but to some degree pushing high level keys with 8% on a lot of tanks is just not a good idea

[waxen frigate]

8% what

[vale bolt]

8% vers sorry

[restive scroll]

Nah, doesn't matter

[waxen frigate]

And what makes you say that

[opaque quest]

4% less damage taken is what? .3 key levels?

[restive scroll]

I'm 3491, and i have something like 8% vers

Doesn't matter

[waxen frigate]

Vers is a great stat for Dps that don’t have ways to fully mitigate damage and might live a one shot due to more vers

As a tank if you’re getting one shot you fucked up

[restive scroll]

^

[vale bolt]

Yea I'm aware vers doesn't matter for prot lol we came to that conclusion. I'm just explaining why I was asking

[opaque quest]

Well you thought wrong is what we are saying. No tank needs vers to play high keys

[waxen frigate]

There’s no tank that changes this thoufh

Vers doesn’t make you live real good

[restive scroll]

Fair enough!

[vale bolt]

Ok yea my bad sorry I asked

[waxen frigate]

Okay sure turn it around like that

[opaque quest]

"I think 8% vers is good"

[waxen frigate]

👍

[restive scroll]

Don't be, gotta learn some time. And roach isn't the best to answer you nicely

[opaque quest]

More experienced tanks: No its not

"i dont like this answer sorry i asked"

[restive scroll]

They didn't like your aggressive behavior

Not the answer

[opaque quest]

What aggresive behaviour wtf

Because i said he thought wrong?

[restive scroll]

Your phrasing is aggressive

[restive scroll]

^

[opaque quest]

I really need to get social media so i can adapt to snowflakes being offended by people saying hi in the wrong way

[restive scroll]

Yeah, the problem is always other people

[waxen frigate]

P U S S Y I N B I O

[opaque quest]

No the problem is someone crying because i said he thought wrong

[waxen frigate]

B I T C O I N

[restive scroll]

Nope

[opaque quest]

And if you think that that was agressive youre a snowflake aswell 🤷‍♂️

[restive scroll]

Yeah, the problem is always other people :)

[opaque quest]

Said problem in the wrong way im offended

How dare you

I didnt like your aggresive gif

[restive scroll]

:)

[waxen frigate]

Break it up boys. Or I’ll have to break both of you.

[opaque quest]

I want MW2 lobbies back so people realize what toxicity really is

[waxen frigate]

That’s still call of duty

[restive scroll]

Just because it's worse somewhere else doesn't mean it's okay where you are

But anyway, have a nice day

[opaque quest]

"You thought wrong"

So bad

Hogo please block me

I dont want to offend you by saying hi next time

[restive scroll]

Can't, gotta monitor your answers for when you're wrong unfortunately.
Plus i'd miss your cat pictures which are always nice tbh.
And apparently you can handle my disagreement since you're not a "snowflake" <3

[opaque quest]

I can handle you disagreeing. When im wrong im gonna apologize like a few days ago. But when someone says 2+2 is 5 and the teacher says you are wrong 2+2 is 4 you cant be offended lmao

Thats some weird inferiority complex that thinks people always attack someone personally

Im not saying im always nice but if youre offended by someone saying youre wrong in a tone you dont like thats not that someones problem

[restive scroll]

Who's the snowflake now? :0

(Yeah, that's a great argument, i should use it more often when someone tries to answer proply)

[opaque quest]

We told him vers is shit for 5 mins straight and he still argues about it. Which is fine but if people tell you youre wrong for 5 mins straight you gotta get the hint at some point

Like i said not attacking him but his beliefs were wrong and i said that

[restive scroll]

You're missing the point

You've been changing the pov to fit what you think from the start

[opaque quest]

The point is hes crying about an everyday phrase

There is a reason nish said dont turn it around

[restive scroll]

And you think saying that isn't aggressive?

[opaque quest]

Absolutely not

But im not tumblr brainrotted

[restive scroll]

You think calling me a snowflake isn't aggressive?

Isn't turning it around?

[opaque quest]

Wouldnt call it aggresive. Just stating the obvious. How you take it is your thing

I can say the earth is round which is obvious. If you wanna take it wrong thats your problem not mine

[restive scroll]

Your "obvious" is another person wrong

[opaque quest]

Thats cool. Thats why i said he thought wrong and explained why vers isnt good 🙂

[restive scroll]

You're just self centered then, common thing among humans indeed

Definitely a normal person

[opaque quest]

And i should say hes right to not hurt his feelings and spread misinformation. Got it

[restive scroll]

Still not the point

[opaque quest]

Its fine mate. Whenever i answer a question ill call baby inc first

[restive scroll]

Aggressive

[opaque quest]

To make sure nobodys feelings get hurt

[jagged pier]

You 2 can take it to dms

Or stop

[opaque quest]

I tried to get him to block me I wanted to stop 20 mins ago

[jagged pier]

Cool thing u dont need to respond

So its on u too rooach

[restive scroll]

Thanks jakey <3

[jagged pier]

Both stop now

[knotty pewter]

Its so odd how anti verse on prot this discord is. Almost all of the top 20 prot warriors right now are very verse heavy and crit light. And these aren't prot warriors that play fury as well.

[opaque quest]

Top warriors equip whatever they get from their vault

[knotty pewter]

I swapped to crit heavy for a week and really didnt like it for a few keys. Switched back to verse.

[opaque quest]

Thats fine. The difference is marginal

[knotty pewter]

ive checked numerous are wearing 483 rings verse havey

I'll personally follow the warriors timing 29s

[opaque quest]

Yeah the atal ring. There arent many rings in the lootpool

[restive scroll]

It was nice for freehold, and some heavy melee dungeons. Otherwise the difference is indeed marginal

[jagged pier]

Thats because theres a massive difference between your weekly 27 and down and world first keys

[knotty pewter]

margins are where new key levels are pushed

[jagged pier]

In here we recommend whats best for what most ppl are doing no the top 20

[knotty pewter]

but yeah, like i said, its just odd how anti verse some people are

[opaque quest]

There isnt just key level in the equation my man. There is also team comp and so on

[jagged pier]

U arent in the top 20

[knotty pewter]

yeah i get it

well...i am actually

[opaque quest]

If we were anti vers we would say never use it. We are saying crit is slightly better for most people

[knotty pewter]

but i dont pretend to know everything

i have a lot to learn

[opaque quest]

If you wanna know about the highest keys possible dont ask here. PM sense or Pika for example

[jagged pier]

U might be but ive been told this too many times over the years to believe anything at face value

We had someone in here once say they were sense

Even tho sense is literally in here

[opaque quest]

I have 5 senses even

That means im 5 times as good

🤷‍♂️

[restive scroll]

It doesn't matter though

[knotty pewter]

yeah im not sense. hes much better than I am

[restive scroll]

Are people asking about the best possible advice or just some advice for what they think is relevant for them?

[knotty pewter]

i just started prot this tier

[opaque quest]

People think they need to play like ppl that do 31s while doing 18 weeklies

[restive scroll]

So what if they do?

[knotty pewter]

i dunno. i just see people yelling at each other over something that doesnt even seem all that important

[opaque quest]

They dont get the best advice for their playstyle

[knotty pewter]

or accurate based on whats happening at the highest level

but that doesnt always apply i guess

[jagged pier]

The thing is what happens on highest keys is comoeltely different to like 27s and dowm as ive said before

[restive scroll]

Yeah, people often answer generally, which leads to non debate

[jagged pier]

So there is a huge differenc ein what is best

[restive scroll]

They never do, because the answers here are most often for the neophyte, and do not take into account the person asking

[jagged pier]

If you want to know about top top keys u generally shouldnt be asking already you should know the answers as thats the sort of lvl u need to be playing to do them

[opaque quest]

fml thats what i said few days ago. If you were that good you wouldnt need to ask

[restive scroll]

That's kinda sad, you can always improve by sharing knowledge, can't you?

[jagged pier]

We always take into account what ppl are asking and its usually 25s and down where vers takes no part in anything

[restive scroll]

You might, many don't

[opaque quest]

#protection message

[jagged pier]

I mean i can give advice for the top top keys but its more relevent on your comp and everything etc

[opaque quest]

#protection message

[knotty pewter]

yeah i get my info from just looking at key logs and vods from sense or plka or a couple others.
ghash helped me a ton with my button pressing and general knowledge though

[opaque quest]

Its wild how we always need to repeat the same stuff to hammer the point home

[restive scroll]

The highest level player have other stuff to do.
Plus theoricrafter are not always the best

That's what happens in speedruning communities

There are speedrunners, and people discovering tricks

[jagged pier]

Nome going into 25-26s with no vers and 10 ilvls less than everyone, takes no damage

[opaque quest]

Most of the highest players have nothing else to do thats why lots of them stream and sit at home all day

[jagged pier]

Yes hes not one of the best

And has no clue what he talking about

[restive scroll]

Make money...?

[opaque quest]

People can talk during a stream you know

[knotty pewter]

theres really only a few spots that are hard to live in a couple of these 28s and up as a prot warrior.
tree boss in dht, last boss rise, first pull of ToT, opening section of rise on bolstering and some of the big dragon pulls in rise as well.
everything else is pretty easy to live without any trouble

[restive scroll]

Every time someone asks a question because they didn't get the search wording wrong, they start a debate of why "we" have to say the same thing over and over again.
We're arguing about that right now while forgetting the initial question from someone who's doing 27-28+ and still not answering them.

[knotty pewter]

3rd boss tot tyran is rough relative to vdh when not killing totem. prot warrior im not sure can do that

prob with the right comp around it

[jagged pier]

If thats the case then you dont need vers outside of thise instances

And in those instance better cooldown usage would probably get you through

[knotty pewter]

well right. thats what i use it for

[opaque quest]

Oracle said hes one of the top 20 what can we tell him. There also was no original question. Unless you talk about "Why is this discord so anti vers" Which we answered btw

[jagged pier]

How much vers do you have?

[violet ginkgo]

how about we just do 18 or 20, fill vault and call it a day? XD

[opaque quest]

Just unsub

[jagged pier]

I dont even do keys anymore 🤷

[restive scroll]

Personnaly at these levels intend to run out of cds on some of these bug mills

[knotty pewter]

im not sure at the moment. i did drop some with a craft or two. i think 17% before flask.

[restive scroll]

If that's what is cool to you, sure ^^

[opaque quest]

So 8% damage reduction

Thats not even a single key level

[jagged pier]

So u have 10% dr with flask thats like 1 key lvl its not much

[opaque quest]

If you think it keeps you alive that is fine.Placebo is powerful

[jagged pier]

And probably isnt actually doing as much as u think

Will crit help as much probably about the same

[knotty pewter]

i dont know what to tell you.lol. just about those peak damage taken moments. 10% is not insignificant

[restive scroll]

For the bleeds of tott and rise, interstingly enough, you can parry the bleed

[opaque quest]

10% is nothing. How often do you live with 10% life left?

[knotty pewter]

but i get it. i dont think we end in a place that we see eye to eye on it. i think i just leave it

[restive scroll]

So crit might do more than you think

[jagged pier]

I mean your talking like 2 mil too 1.8mil still gunna 1 shot yah without something

[violet ginkgo]

Fine, I'll unsub after this sub expired

[restive scroll]

^

[knotty pewter]

thats not the correct way to look at it

[covert flower]

On Deios not sure my health gets above that level

😄

[restive scroll]

On oakheart, quite a lot actually.

[opaque quest]

Oracle this is a numbers question. 10% DR is objectively nothing that will keep you alive. If you feel like it keeps you alive that is fine. We are not arguing about feel here. Just raw numbers

[knotty pewter]

yeah so that argument is truly awful but i am gonna leave it here

[opaque quest]

You also need to remember that the 10% vers would not be lost completely they would be in some other stat

[knotty pewter]

i concede that crit is probably fine as well but your arguments against 10% dr in general are flat out cooked

[restive scroll]

Thanks for trying ;/

[opaque quest]

And with vers being the most expensive stat thats alot of mas/crit/haste

[opaque quest]

Name one ability in the game where you need 10% vers or youre dead

Not talking about some fringe cases where you messed up your cooldowns or werent topped and Vers saved you

Cause if you budget stats for random i fucked up moments then youre gucci. Im done

[knotty pewter]

im afraid you are just looking at the game from a very flawed perspective

never once said i am stating based on fuck ups. i dont know why you are putting that on me

[jagged pier]

Its 10% flat dr to something but generall across a key stop more damage with parries, will vers help on oakheart yes is the 10% saving you? no its not proper play is

[restive scroll]

That's because you're a snowflake!
(Nothing for/against you, that's a callback to some stupid stuff earlier)

[opaque quest]

Oh i see Hogo is still butthurt. Truly a snowflake

[opaque quest]

No if you dont budget vers the stat is just lost. There arent 3k more stats in mastery or crit and will reduce damage too. If you dont go vers you go nothing

[hexed onyx]

Been lurking on this a while, it may help this discussion if you explain your perspective then or explain how or why you think others perspectives are flawed

[restive scroll]

They tried

[hexed onyx]

I haven’t seen it and I’ve read it all

[opaque quest]

No he just said my perspective is wrong

I explained why his is

He didnt explain why mine is

🤷‍♂️

[restive scroll]

@jagged pier so when i'm insulted, o shouldn't answer, correct?

[restive scroll]

@hexed onyx there'd this kind of context, also the ones about the "difficult" partd of 28+

[jagged pier]

I mean theres a difference between bluntness and insulting 🤷 but you do you

[opaque quest]

THANK YOU

FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT

[restive scroll]

Interesting, so as long as i answer, i can't get ban because there wasn't insults, just bluntness, correct? :)

[jagged pier]

Right but i feel like ive explained vers can help in that situation and how 10dr probably isnt doing as much as you 2 are preseving it to do. However ive also never said dont run it

[restive scroll]

Can't get banned for blunt'ess

[jagged pier]

You can run it if you want

[jagged pier]

As far am im concerned nither of you have helped in this discussion at all

[hexed onyx]

Yeah his perspective is take him at his word he’s top 20 and your perspective is flawed for not agreeing with what he says, that’s why I’m asking him what his actual perspective is and why he thinks others perspectives are flawed as clearly he’s not explaining it very well right now and I genuinely believe if he explains himself better this discussion can be fruitful

[restive scroll]

I agree !

And that's exactly my point :)

[opaque quest]

How can explaining why other stats are better than vers not be helping lul

[restive scroll]

They couldn't get out two phrases before gotten told they were wrong, that's why they stopped.
I completely agree with you though!

[opaque quest]

Its wild. Im making points for every statement and people say i didnt provide anything. You guys got this

[jagged pier]

There point is vers is better than we are giving credit and it helps in certain instances, which i didnt disagree with, but the idea that 10% dr is the make or break or you feel is just isnt true even on mechanics like oakheart if you dont have something you are going to die, vers or no vers. But never in here have i said dont run vers id oll want to run vers they are more than welcome too it doenst make much difference you just sacrficing more of another stat to take it.

Vers makes a huge difference when u can get 50% of it

U cant get there at all anymore

[hexed onyx]

Yeah I got that bit and I learnt a bit myself from that discussion which I appreciate, but when you call someones perspective flawed you usually should explain why imho so you can talk at the same level and understand eachother which he didn’t do

[jagged pier]

I tried at least but the 2 squabling didnt help

[knotty pewter]

yeah thats fair but the conversation wasnt really going in a good direction and its a lot to explain. more than I even really know that i can put into words

tbf im probably a little more of a verse shill because my comp is exceptionally squishy. we dont have an aug, pally, priest or druid and we have an enhance shaman

[opaque quest]

You just repeated every single point i made in the conversation. Guess you didnt contribute either. Rip

[jagged pier]

Happens ppl used to argue to the death with me about something then nome would say the same thkmg and they instantly change there opinion

I also said it in a different way thats more easily read

[hexed onyx]

Not you bro sorry for the misunderstanding I meant Oracle but he’s addressed his perspective just and it makes sense why he goes hard on the verse now

[knotty pewter]

and i tend to think that getting that one higher key level is accomplished in the margins. so i never like the "needed" or "marginal" arguments in general.

[jagged pier]

As i said it depend on comp etc at the start, but i would still disagree generally because the scary bits are the only time the tank gets healed anyway generally so why not add more mitigation to the times when the healer will be focusing the group

But also your bringing a very marginal conversation to a general forum, where you are going to get conflicting opinions

[knotty pewter]

you right. its my b

i get it

[jagged pier]

Less than .1% of the player base are doing top keys

[knotty pewter]

yeah. im tryin to route 29 AD tyran and there are literally no prot warrior logs of that. only 2 have timed it

so i get it

[jagged pier]

If you arent doing top keys in general its actually very bad to copy what the top ppl are doing look at all the ppl runnjng cheat death trinket but never proc is or take a talent and never use it

If you are doing the content and copying you need to talk to the ppl u are following and understand their choices they will have certain reason for tslent choices etc

[restive scroll]

Only thing that'd scare me is the rezan dot there.
But if you're with a regular healer i guess that's not as bad

[opaque quest]

Thats why i said ask pika and sense. Get to the source. We cant teach you anything that you dont already know

I said that earlier

[restive scroll]

In 28 pug i procced cheat death on the one bleed i didn't have cds for.
Rest was chill

[knotty pewter]

yeah im not worried about living it. im dwarf too so thats not really an issue. its just about getting big enough pulls fast enough that we can still handle with kicks and stops

[opaque quest]

Im not saying we dont want to help you but i dont see a point where we can

[knotty pewter]

id probably bbe scared in a pug though yeah.

for me its dwarf>raging heart>cocoon> shield wall/last stand

[restive scroll]

Fair enough, dwarf is pretty great.
That's more of a comp issue though, i guess i'd look at vdh pov tbh, since your survivability won't change much.
Even though you'll have to adapt to compensate for the vigil of silence

[knotty pewter]

also id almost definitely cheat on a bleed

[restive scroll]

Depends a lot on whether the group cancels all the fixates too..
Although, if i may, i tend to use shield wall earlier since it resets so fast

[knotty pewter]

yeah thats probably smart

[restive scroll]

Where you can.
Other people are doing those kinds of keys.

[restive scroll]

Can you ever use dwarf twice? Feels like in 29, fight will be long enough

[knotty pewter]

i did twice on a 28 tonight

[restive scroll]

Neat

Dwarf asap is probably good then i guess

[knotty pewter]

its lust but maybe you get a 3rd in at ~4min mark

[restive scroll]

Iirc that's a shield wall per 3 bleeds if the fixates are canceled, and per 2 bleeds if the fixate go through

So you could rageheart/sw then dwarf, and still have two dwarf in the fight

Sorry, got distracted, you were concerned about routing, were you not?

[restive scroll]

Iirc there's a plka log available for a 30, might be worth a look

[knotty pewter]

its completed yeah but not logged unfortunately

[restive scroll]

Iirc his video was the 28

[opaque quest]

We as in this discord. If you yell into a crowd for a doctor, are you gonna find one?Probably. Would it be better to ask the head of a medicinal facility directly? Definitely

[restive scroll]

And he goes right side, so quite painful

[knotty pewter]

oh yeah, that was awhile ago. i think the routes everyone uses are pretty locked in now. just with dh you can remove a few much more easily

[restive scroll]

Yeah

[knotty pewter]

specifically pull 1. it has 4 kicks on a cd and then spammed wildfires and heals that need stopped as well

[restive scroll]

If the crowd is in a place where doctors hang out, you get better chances ;)

[restive scroll]

Yeah.
In 28 i still got away with a regular route with two kicks at the most.
Not sure that'd fly in 29

[opaque quest]

Ofcourse. But asking a head doctor in a hospital is 100% chance

[restive scroll]

Only real dangerous parts kick wise are before the totem boss imo.
You have one pack of 2 spammers. You can mitigate the rest by chaining and stuff

[undone bramble]

trying to learn prot currently setting up keybinds. anyway i can combine shield charge and charge in one macro ?

[opaque quest]

Modifier macro should work

But thats basically 2 hotkeys anyways

The problem is you wont be able to tell both cooldowns unless you have both on your bars

[undone bramble]

ye np i just need one key to cast shield charge if avilable and charge if not

i can deal with the rest i guess

[opaque quest]

Oh an automatic macro doesnt work

[undone bramble]

yea

[restive scroll]

On top of what roach says, that's usually not a good idea, they have very different usage, and even at neophyte level you should probably differenciate them

[lyric cape]

Conditional macros don't work

[opaque quest]

[undone bramble]

am mainly gonna use the spec for hc raid when we dont have a tank ready and do weekly M+

[opaque quest]

You could put one of them on your bars but dont assign a hotkey just to track the cooldown but that seems worse than just using 2 hotkeys

[undone bramble]

yea am just gonna bind both

you guys have any other prot specific macros that would help minmize keybinds ?

[opaque quest]

No

Not that i can think off

[restive scroll]

If you already have enough gear it matters significantly less. It's mostly that it brings a shield block charge that you might be missing

[undone bramble]

am trying to learn the spec on a fresh 70 warrior

[lyric cape]

Only one i think of is in pins for deffensive / Battle stance.

[restive scroll]

Switch between stance, can be useful sometimes, but not much for the things you're describing

[undone bramble]

yeah have that already

[opaque quest]

Oh yeah there is a stance switch macro

Most macros we use are modifiers which is basically 2 hotkeys for 1 spell

[restive scroll]

I use ravager @cursor too

[opaque quest]

I.e ravager @ position or ravager @cursor

[opaque quest]

Beat me to it lol

[restive scroll]

And avatar & demo shout on the same bind, which is not the best, but works well

[undone bramble]

yeah already have that from fury

[undone bramble]

doubt i will use that

[restive scroll]

Oh and the SS snipe from nome
My IP+SS Macro
/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam

[opaque quest]

Doesnt reduce buttons but its pretty useful

[undone bramble]

yeah but am still gonna bind both anyway

[opaque quest]

Nono. That macro replaces your IP button

[undone bramble]

yeah ik but it still 2 keybinds

am just gonna add more shifts

[restive scroll]

You're the one asking to reduce buttons ^^

[opaque quest]

Ye like i said doesnt reduce but its good

Remember that you can combine modifiers

Some of my hotkeys are shift + alt + left mouse button

[undone bramble]

thanks a lot guys really appreciate it

[opaque quest]

Bind your racial to avatar

That reduces a button

[lyric cape]

Depends on what race he plays

[opaque quest]

Ofcourse

[hexed onyx]

avatar into shadowmeld would be funny though

[undone bramble]

i have a nelf but am currently doing tauren cuz why not

and instead of embarrassing my slef on my geared alts i leveled a new one just to have a wide range of excuses to why i died or lost aggro

[hexed onyx]

Could always use one of the chill M+ discords instead

prob makes it easier on your sanity overall

[opaque quest]

Let me burn stoneform during avatar

[undone bramble]

i like it here, most friendly class discord i ever been to

[opaque quest]

100%

[undone bramble]

always someone responding in all spec channels in transmog channels its chill everywhere

[hexed onyx]

I mean for learning a new spec instead of levelling a new alt

Join those keys for the practice if you get me

[undone bramble]

oh yeah, i needed that alt anyway

[opaque quest]

Just join 25s and ruin their keys. Its wow afterall. Be toxic

Not my key gg /quit

[undone bramble]

do you guys usually find your self needing to change stances or i shouldn't bother too much about it

[opaque quest]

Depends on the key level and available cooldowns

Mostly no tho. Thats the answer you wanted

Just stay in Bstance

[undone bramble]

cool

[restive scroll]

In 20s, you don't need to. In some heroic content, that could be a good idea while you're gearing yourself

[opaque quest]

I need to stop saying depending on key lvl and just say depending on difficulty

[median tulip]

Treat it as a cooldown like any other. It's good for e.g. the tree grab in DHT

[covert flower]

Just use it when you feel like you're doing a dangerous pull/tough boss

Any key outside of some of the highest isn't going to be decided by your lower DPS in d stance

Don't camp it, don't become reliant on it all the time, but don't think so much about it too

I mean also weigh up the scenario if, is there ever a point where you'll look back and say, if I was in battle stance for that specific part of the pull would the key have been timed? No chance, but if you died not being in d stance, you could definitely say that

[tribal wharf]

its like the e brake on your car, you use it and its very important, but ypu dont want to have to use it if you dont need to

some bullshit has or is about to happen (healer died, huge dmg in, etc)

normally if possible you would want to use your brakes and slowing down to make turns if that makes sense

[opaque quest]

Im using my Handbrake to drift

Can i drift with Dstance?

🤯

[tribal wharf]

drift through dieos type dot or rezan, ya sure

if u want

those hurt, even on 17/18 (tyranical at least, is a joke on fort

it slows you down is the point im making

dstance

[vale bolt]

Farming 16s for crests and my oh my do you see some depravity down there lol. That atonement healing is somethin else lol

[covert flower]

Is that 70 boosted or something?

Surely you learn about that while levelling

[vale bolt]

478 ilvl in a 17 🙂

[tribal wharf]

is another version of yogi

i told you, i exists all over wow all at once, all specs

[covert flower]

No no

That'd be the equivalent of

Not knowing shield block is a button

[tribal wharf]

playing them shittily with bad talents and bad desicions of what to cast on whom and where to stand

[covert flower]

That's like playing BM with no pet

[vale bolt]

I mean I'm just shocked that he didn't do any damage lol. It's not like he was too busy healing stuff all key

[covert flower]

Like playing outlaw with 2 daggers

[tribal wharf]

TBF

you just triggered my trap card btw

[vale bolt]

This was damage done overall

[tribal wharf]

fucking, a rogue vaniller to mists

is me btw

[covert flower]

Is that...

[tribal wharf]

so source i didnt make it the fuck up

[covert flower]

The reflect dmg power word shield?

[vale bolt]

Yes

[covert flower]

Wow

[vale bolt]

That is his highest damage lol

[tribal wharf]

but for outlaw/combat, youd put a dagger in OH or sword with fast attack speed

[vale bolt]

He pressed dark reprimand twice

[tribal wharf]

for poision procs

[vale bolt]

purge the wicked 4 times

[tribal wharf]

it wasn't a huge dps increase but sometimes it was couple % dps increasse over a sword

i seem to recall it was more for single target

and you'd do dual slow weapons for adds and cleaving fights

i could be totally mistaken, but i know for fact after doing original wrath raids thats what i learned about it

but, the argument for that came up more often because the entire thing was only a rogue ever uses agi dagger, so they just got funneled all daggers

warrior doesnt use it, dk doesnt, hunter doesnt, casters clearly have int daggers

[covert flower]

No no I remember that like it was always a thing

There were some scenarios it wasn't as good

[median tulip]

AGI Dagger, AGI Warglaive and AGI 1hHammer all have only one class that uses them

[covert flower]

If you didn't have legendaries in dragon soul you'd run double axe from deathwing

[tribal wharf]

dagger main haind rogue was only for envenom and sub rogue

[covert flower]

Wait

Rogues can't use maces?

They can right?

It'd be 2 classes for agi mace then

[tribal wharf]

yes but its dog shit

its for pvp mostly

rogue is typically more swords and daggers only

[covert flower]

Thought it didn't matter now

Thought swords/axes/maces are all the same shit to outlaw

[tribal wharf]

i wouldnt mind if there was slight inherent bonuses to weapon types or racial abilities for better effects with X weapon

dagger more crit or more haste or faster swing time

basically a 0.1% placebo effect

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-car-little-girl-rock-on-drifting-slide-gif-17805774

Me when playing prot

[tribal wharf]

VRRRRROOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMM

ZOOOOOOMMMMM

racing car fun 🙂

with or without rockets/guns attached to the car, death rally or regular GP both fun as shit

[opaque quest]

I need a new 40k game with orcs just shooting at each other during races

[jagged pier]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGojclTI8vQ u in luck

[tribal wharf]

weirdly i have seen 40k as too nerdy for me

toilet dice just creates more bias :S

[opaque quest]

It is way to nerdy but i play SC2 which is 40k without a license

[opaque quest]

This is the game i was talking about cant wait

[jagged pier]

funny things about orc lore they just believe those cars work and they work

[tribal wharf]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/thrall/Blitzkrigson

[jagged pier]

most of their conrtol panels etc are just painted on but they work

[tribal wharf]

speaking of orcs

dis the guy i run 17 ad with and solo the yazma

oh, damn i thought he had better trasnmog

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/imagination-spongebob-squarepants-dreams-magic-gif-12725683

[hazy bronze]

My favorite was how "cause it's red" was a deadass upgrade for speed

40k orks are what I aspire to be

[opaque quest]

Some of the rules are weeeiiiird

[jagged pier]

red = fast

[opaque quest]

No Red = power

Yellow is fast

Green is eco

And blue is cooler

Simple

Get it right

[tribal wharf]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/illidan/Dragonaboy THIS the warrior i wanted to show

[opaque quest]

Boring

No Garrosh shoulders. Poor guy lol

[tribal wharf]

4

thats a fuckin warrior lol

[opaque quest]

N O T U S K S

[tribal wharf]

i like his

very primal

[opaque quest]

Caveman unga bunga

[tribal wharf]

steel toe boots are a bit much

[opaque quest]

Idk looks plain

But im a T3 or CM full set andi so what do i know

[opaque quest]

I love that chest. I use it with my DK CM set

[tribal wharf]

now i literally have to go get the off color pain in the ass, shares a rarespawn with 1% mount drop and is a 1% drop chance itself.... fml...

so everyone whos doing that is doing the mount if unorganiczed, meaning i have to find a group of like mindeds farming back.... blerhggh puike

[opaque quest]

Where does your mace drop?

Or whatever you want

[tribal wharf]

tendies

200 tendies

[opaque quest]

no i mean the one you want to farm

[tribal wharf]

ohhh thats the bring 30 oozes to the pit in maldraxus

and then you have to do 10 10 10

[opaque quest]

The alchemist thing?

[tribal wharf]

and the yellows are out of the way, TLDR its a total bitch to farm

[opaque quest]

Do you not have the WoD CM sword?

Its green too

[tribal wharf]

ya,i just have been wating this backpack for long time now