if you feel safer doing your dungeons with disrupt, go for it, doesn't matter
#protection
restive cypress
pliant trout
short answer depends on comp, in random pugs it's safer to run intimidating shout
ripe mason
let's compare double cheat to soulcrush, with double cheat you get one extra cheat death on an 8 minute cooldown, with soulcrush, you get let's say about 30% DR and about 40% leech
restive cypress
short answer depends on comp, in random pugs it's safer to run intimidating shou...
exactly, that's what I usually do unless there's a lot of cc
strong forum
nobody is arguing intimidating shout toad
strong forum
everybody should have intim shout
drifting lance
^
covert flower
he's just calling it the wrong thing I think?
IDK
I thought he understood and just was using the wrong name
strong forum
mebeh dunno
covert flower
maybe he doesn't
restive cypress
precisely
strong forum
and wont make or break your key having 1 talent point differently
or even entirely different builds
cuz what matters is alot more than just talents
restive cypress
I even saw some prot doing the double ravager thingy in a waycrest last week
strong forum
ouch
restive cypress
so honestly take whatever you feel comfortable
pliant trout
27 is a low key
strong forum
even if its not alot
restive cypress
Probably the extra rage from the talent gave him phatter IPs
strong forum
its not even more rage
cuz whatever other talent you drop for it
generates more
đ
restive cypress
all I want is for blizzard to give us better bleed defenses
bro don't kill my ip in 1 gcd pls
pallid quiver
fake news, what would nome even know about that smh
restive cypress
feels so cheap going dworv for that lmfao
strong forum
tbf every tank fucking hates the dogs
knotty pewter
isnt that a little disingenious to say when your io is mostly dps?
strong forum
that doesnt change anything about my capability as tank cuz im arguably a better tank than dps
restive cypress
tbf every tank fucking hates the dogs
DELET
strong forum
and i have factually done 28s and a 29 as tank
knotty pewter
but these dungeons this season are largely completed based on your groups ability to stop casts
drifting lance
hence why vdh is op
strong forum
correct and you wont get anywhere with a group that doesnt do them
and m+ is a team game
unless youre vdh
then its a 1man show with 4 people trying not to die to bosses and doing good damage
pliant trout
thats the problem blizzard introduced
restive cypress
played my vdh and it felt like I had turned on gameshark in AD
pliant trout
with tanks who do the 50% of cc
strong forum
in AD?
drifting lance
tank*
pliant trout
players are now degenerate
strong forum
HUUUUH
restive cypress
it's mindnumbingly boring
knotty pewter
and you are suggesting people not take an aoe interrupt in the same breath that you say its a teaam game
strong forum
what is there to do in AD
pliant trout
and can't play without them
restive cypress
what is there to do in AD
at least with pwarr you need to pretend you gotta interrupt
vdh is like "put it in D and just floor it fam"
pliant trout
AD is about yazma and 3 first pulls
lusty grotto
imagine talking when you combat bot
strong forum
and you are suggesting people not take an aoe interrupt in the same breath that ...
an aoe interrupt that comes at a serious cost and a considerable cooldown, that often times cant even be used as an interrupt because you should use aoe taunt rotationally
pliant trout
after you just kill stuff
lusty grotto
like toadcop
strong forum
when my suggestions is learning to use your already available tools better
instead of pretending to use a bandaid fix talent
because i dont have the issues most people complain about
even when i full pug
knotty pewter
our single target stuns are often not ideal because of stun DR in some comps and our fear is target capped and not totally reliable in some dungeons
compact palm
This feels weirdly similar to the spriest thing whre u don't tame kick
knotty pewter
calling it a bandaid is odd
compact palm
Take*
strong forum
how is a single target stun not ideal?
so you rather just let a cast go through
in order to not throw a DR on a mob?
despite a 4sec stun being a REALLY good stun?
no other stun besides rogue lasts longer
compact palm
Hoj
knotty pewter
everything is relative
pliant trout
i play without stormbolt btw no issues at all
pliant trout
the reason is ofc DM
lusty grotto
nobody should listen to you
knotty pewter
and like i said ST stuns are bad sometimes because of stun drs
strong forum
idk what kinda comps you play that ST stuns arent good
triple paladin? triple havoc?
pliant trout
everything is good, it's more about choosing more value stuff
knotty pewter
cap tote., sfury, leg sweep, shockwave
pliant trout
for example in brh the large goblin pull(s)
whats stormbolt will do there? and what will shockwave
knotty pewter
as far as using Disrupt Shout rotationally that may be true but you can still plan around it and absolutely have to be able to get through some pulls in some dungeons
prot war absolutely needs that tool in a few of these dungeons. hard trolling if you dont take it
chilly brook
whats stormbolt will do there? and what will shockwave
Stop their casts?????
strong forum
hard disagree
chilly brook
No wonder you fucking bot
Zero brain
Only way to stop the drink cast there is to stun or some sort of CC
chilly brook
prot war absolutely needs that tool in a few of these dungeons. hard trolling if...
Never needed it in any dungeon
Tbh
Stun does the same thing
knotty pewter
depends on how long your packs are lasting and the pulls themselves
pliant trout
Stun does the same thing
it does prevent casting from the same school for 6 secs without any DR?
knotty pewter
and having both is needed
pliant trout
didn't knew that >u>
knotty pewter
eventually
chilly brook
Maybe have people that actually kick?
pliant trout
good to know thx UuU
chilly brook
it does prevent casting from the same school for 6 secs without any DR?
Thatâs not how kicks work in PvE
knotty pewter
yes it is
chilly brook
No itâs not
compact palm
It definitely works like that yea
lusty grotto
chilly brook
You kick the ability it goes on CD
lusty grotto
reminder btw
knotty pewter
You kick the ability it goes on CD
faalse
chilly brook
Most of the abilities have a specific Cd
knotty pewter
lockout is a thing in pve
yes, but if its a spammable ability then it follows the kick lockout
chilly brook
Sure
knotty pewter
also, this conversation about disrupting shout doesnt matter until you are doing around 28s
so yeah, maybe you havent needed it
chilly brook
What dungeons do you need it
chilly brook
In a 28
chilly brook
ok so... you understand you were wrong now i guess
The spammable abilities arenât the ones you need to kick in most dungeons sometimes they are but mostly they arenât
vestal moat
When we get shockwave knockup ill feel mcuh more comfy without disrupting shout
chilly brook
âŠ.
Rather cop out answer
Youâre claiming itâs needed
So Iâd like to know which ones
lusty grotto
wait
why are we droping intim shout?
why not choose the extra stop its basically free
chilly brook
Huh?
knotty pewter
The spammable abilities arenât the ones you need to kick in most dungeons someti...
thats also not true. first pull BRH, a significant amount of ToT, lots of mobs in WCM, EB and DHT
knotty pewter
Rise and Fall you basically dont need Disrupting shout
AD has one pull where its helpful
pliant trout
in rise it's good for first bigger pulls
lusty grotto
cause you know there are invulns to knocks
pliant trout
like with 3 casters or 4
knotty pewter
in rise it's good for first bigger pulls
yeah but those bolts are also livable. if those got cast on players other than tankn that youd absolutely need it there asa well
knotty pewter
well, thats a long cd but yeah. its helpful for moving mobs out of the shield too yeah
pliant trout
if you do smaller pulls then you don't need it yea
lusty grotto
why argue with a botter though
knotty pewter
So Iâd like to know which ones
there you go, i let you know
chilly brook
So just one dungeon?
knotty pewter
So just one dungeon?
? i listed many. ok im done
pliant trout
after boss dies
warm plinth
That seems completely needless though
chilly brook
You said AD
knotty pewter
yea i wouldnt do that either
warm plinth
You're literally getting one stop out of it
chilly brook
You said you donât need on rise and fall
lusty grotto
combat botter doesnt care btw
pliant trout
you are my personal bot now B-)
knotty pewter
You said you **donât** need on rise and fall
i guess you missed where i said all the other ones
pliant trout
even though i don't need you
lusty grotto
take it as you will cheater
pliant trout
u_u
warm plinth
What's your take here Oracle? I came in late and I'm being nosy
lusty grotto
whatever helps you sleep at night
knotty pewter
i really dont care what people play. just thought it odd someone that isn't actively tanking this season saying disrupting shout isnt good
chilly brook
I must actually be missing something
knotty pewter
What's your take here Oracle? I came in late and I'm being nosy
that disrupting shout is very good this season. thats all
in about 5 or 6 of the dungeons
strong forum
can y'all like stop talking about the bot shit
lusty grotto
i mean, shouldnt people know?
pliant trout
yes
warm plinth
Meh. I don't think Disrupting is necessary and don't think it's worth what you give up. But live your best life đ
pliant trout
wow devs shoud add this title into the game
strong forum
idk the last time the ruling was just to not talk about it any further
warm plinth
At least you aren't running Battle Scarred Veteran
strong forum
what he does on his own end is his issue
pallid quiver
At best, if you find issue with it and have proof, you report to Blizz proper and they can deal with it
pliant trout
At least you aren't running Battle Scarred Veteran
it's actually good for high keys IN CASE if you had an extra talent point, but you need to play around the procs like when it's proced you chill and don't use any defs
warm plinth
No, it's not
pliant trout
it is =((((
lusty grotto
im ready to die on this hill
warm plinth
It literally procs when you don't NEED a defensive.
pliant trout
not true at all
lusty grotto
especially if they admitted as much in the same channel
warm plinth
Lol it's been proven and reproven since the start of the expansion dude.
lusty grotto
its a move to normalize it and its weird that this discord would support it
warm plinth
It's not a cheat death and I can't stand when people call it that.
strong forum
we literally spent hours scouring logs, vods and m+ runs to figure out how BSV works
and the conclusion is
it doesnt
lusty grotto
perhaps not intentional but still
strong forum
again and again
every single patch
until you can bring conclusive proof that it works
knotty pewter
Meh. I don't think Disrupting is necessary and don't think it's worth what you ...
i try not to think about things as whats "needed" or "necessary".
but its certainly true you won't need it until you get to a certain point. especially if you play in a comp with limited stops
strong forum
until that point it just doesnt
urban portal
Sometimes
strong forum
that proc randomly
pliant trout
but you can consider it semi randomn
strong forum
or not at all
pliant trout
yes
strong forum
or when you dont need it
pliant trout
as i said
strong forum
or OUTSIDE OF COMBAT
pliant trout
when it procs
strong forum
it literally procs randomly
pliant trout
you just don't use any cds at all
warm plinth
8 seconds of DR that won't proc at all if you get 30 to 0'd, which is the only sort of situation where you would end up having it proc.
strong forum
wasting a talent point for 8seconds of randomness not even every 3 minutes
but at random times
on random abilities
pliant trout
probably they consider untimigated damage?
warm plinth
And that's assuming it procced when it should
strong forum
or random bursting procs
warm plinth
Which it doesn't
pliant trout
before the dr
strong forum
its before DR, but not always at 30% hp
sometimes its 35%
sometimes 55%
sometimes 90%
sometimes before a hit
sometimes 6seconds after the hit
strong forum
sometimes it procs after you healed back up and drop combat and it procs between packs
pliant trout
but the shield block from the shield charge is too free
strong forum
even a bot wont play around BSV
cuz it doesnt change anything in how you play
it just doesnt
pliant trout
it a really value talent in that circumstance
strong forum
in what circumstance
pliant trout
because of HUGE mitigation
warm plinth
what does shield charge have to do with this?
strong forum
you didnt give a circumstance
you jsut made an empty statement
and keep saying "its good when it happens"
without any further context
when context is all that matters
urban portal
Are we getting baited
pliant trout
you have a chance to get extra tankiness in emergency situation
you should consider it more like this
strong forum
rng is not something you want to plan on
ykno
which is also explained in the freshly updated wowhead guide
pliant trout
crit is rng >u>
strong forum
wink wink
warm plinth
You get the extra tankiness whether you're in an emergency situation or not, and you don't get it whether you're in an emergency situation or not
strong forum
crit is rng >u>
crit is not RNG when you get hit by hundreds of melee attacks
warm plinth
Yeah like if you REALLY want a cheat death, play stonescales
strong forum
im not triggered
warm plinth
We're not, but we also don't like people advocating for proven shit talents
pliant trout
but without joking bsv is a value talent but a very random one
strong forum
literally :3
pliant trout
thats it
strong forum
it would be value
if it wasnt competing with 300x better talents
but it does
same goes for disruptive
as it stands every single talent point in the protection tree is worth as much as 5% damage
which is more than some other classes cant even get with 3 talent points
thats why im so adamant about it
all of our talent points are incredibly loaded with power
pliant trout
UNLIMITED POWER
but honestly, it may sound weird, but just get a better player/spec to offset those 10-15K dps
no joke
much more efficient
i don't even know how on hard 30 keys warr will survive i mean it will be problematic
where you need this extra dps to time it
it's all begins to be more complicated
strong forum
the 29tyr wcm i did was a joke in terms of survivability, felt like a +15
same goes for 28tyr DHT
actual breeze
i also tanked a 29DHT but it fell apart on first boss cuz dps died to boss xd
pliant trout
dht isn't hard on tank except tree boss
mostly dps die from bleed/poision
or other stuff
strong forum
ask BDKs how they feel about the sections before first boss
specifically reholy
xd
pliant trout
ahh dht - fucking birds
they stun after the charge
giga cancer
the worst part about the dungeon
drifting lance
entirely possible to outplay
just don't make them stand inside wall as they charge
give them a bit of space adn they don't do that extra stun
pliant trout
nah thats obvious
lol
still it depends on position etc
they are more anoying than hard
opaque quest
Wait does it?
Thats pog
Guess i wont be using Thunderfury as transmogg for the first time since i got it
btw why do i wake up to work and see people arguing with Turdcop?
Aight im off to slave away cya peeps
warm plinth
gn Rooach
plush tendon
waxen quarry
@strong forum i never really thought about running bsv anyway in random keys but i read what u said about it randomly proccing
so it just procs
at random times
strong forum
its incredibly inconsistent
within 1 key of sense
it procced once on 30% at the correct time
waxen quarry
isnt it bugged then
strong forum
one time at 80%
then once sense dropped to 30% HP, healed back up to 50% HP, killed the last remaining mob AND THEN IT PROCCED OUTSIDE OF COMBAT
waxen quarry
:xdd:
strong forum
then another time it procced at 100% HP and mitigated the bigass tankbuster
all within 1 key.
the conclusion a literal data analyst came to when trying to make sense of the behaviour of BSV was
"procs somewhere kind of pre-mitigation sprinkled with a bit of spaghetti and fuckery"
đ
warm plinth
Which frankly makes no fucking sense, since it's not like it's the only effect of its kind
strong forum
prot pally's proc works perfectly
warm plinth
Like just make it grant a buffed shield wall or something
strong forum
the only way you can rely on BSV working is how skillsclap did it in season 1
you make sure the CD is ready for this 1 pull that hurts like a truck
so you proc it on pull
warm plinth
And then hope it procs 
warm plinth
I think my biggest issue with BSV is that it doesn't at all do what it was designed for (in Blizzard's own words) which was to make pwar a more comfortable learning process
Since shield block downtime is so crucial, that was supposed to be the safety net
And instead it's useless
waxen quarry
seems so cringe
strong forum
the worst part is
how often do you survive with just a sliver of health
right?
and then it would proc when the danger is already subsided
go on CD
when a real Cheat Death only goes on CD when you wouldve actually died
so its not a safety net but moreso a recovery tool if anything
waxen quarry
ye
warm plinth
yeah generally if you fuck up on pwar you just fall over fast
waxen quarry
and will of the necropolis reduces damage you WOULD take
it mitigates if it goes below
warm plinth
yeah, it's dynamic, whereas BSV is not
urban portal
Will of necro so good
violet ginkgo
Wait does it?
It does hahaha, kind of weird that the sword pierce the shield when sheathed but I can just bear with it since the sword is cool.
lusty grotto
no u
violet ginkgo
@opaque quest
violet flume
making a hole in your shield to have a sheat for your sword how neat
jagged pier
Aegis works well with it
opaque quest
<@232553276019703808>
@lusty tiger 1 round during my lunch break. Now im more frustrated than before lmao look at the sombra
violet ginkgo
making a hole in your shield to have a sheat for your sword how neat
gotta make sure the sword is hanging and not dropping
lusty tiger
<@193453212500623360> 1 round during my lunch break. Now im more frustrated tha...
has she tried not running it down lol
opaque quest
Quel Serrar is gonna look huge on my DK
opaque quest
has she tried not running it down lol
maybe 1-12 was her trying kekW
Aight back to work. Just wanted to make fun of shitty sombra
Cya in 4 hours
lusty tiger
opaque quest
Round over now back to work
violet ginkgo
Aegis works well with it
which aegis jakey? I google, too many result
jagged pier
Agramars
meager vine
does anyone have a weakaura that shows Rage as an icon and number instead of a bar?
opaque quest
Agramars
Aegis is so smol tho
I like elementium bulwark from bwl
Also fits with challenge mode
Wowhead pic even uses OG quel serrar
jagged pier
problem is with the new on the pixels are fucked
they should update that sheild tho
one of my favs
the shield generally okay depends on what u play but on dwarf female its alright
ionic fern
Aight, i invited the first 5 people that applied to my EB 25. LEts see how it goes.
opaque quest
the shield generally okay depends on what u play but on dwarf female its alright
Pretty good on dwarf
opaque quest
Mwahi will just carry no biggie
ionic fern
I'll give it up to 2nd pull.
jagged pier
when u doing lock keys?
opaque quest
So lets say i do start playing again for the sword. What kind of level of keys are we talking about 
pallid quiver
Aight, i invited the first 5 people that applied to my EB 25. LEts see how it go...
is colorado close enough to europe for me to join in
jagged pier
opaque quest
Would it be a pug run if it didnt have 1 person being semi afk
ionic fern
Ya.
opaque quest
Na there is always at least one clown
ionic fern
I'll just log off and play hots.
opaque quest
Good call
ionic fern
Keys only fun with a premade anyways.
Unless you're doing like 20-23
THen it's w/e.
opaque quest
Jup
ionic fern
my alt is rdy
WHich of them?
jagged pier
everything else is 60 so can lvl fast
ionic fern
Share your "fast lvl" secrets.
I feel like 60-70 takes forever unless it's timewalking.
opaque quest
I havent leveled without timewalking since my first char in DF
Was only a matter of time until trading shop stuff ends up in the shop
Ofcourse FOMO limited time only
jagged pier
of course
think of all the ppl that didnt have a sub during that time
can farm more money out of them
which tbf if they do another gold sync for the CM sets u know imma swipe staight away
id rather they make it something u can get with scale down
but not gunna happen
pallid quiver
They'll wait until MoP classic comes so they can spend a slight amount of effort just copy paste porting over abilities since they'd have to fiddle with it anyway then
this still sounds like hopium
opal forum
Wait is the botter back at it again with his misinformation
opaque quest
He never stopped
opal forum
Why is he even allowed here
opaque quest
Not sure. Maybe because he isnt actively promoting a bot or something? Would have to ask Mwahi
opal forum
if atleast he would not constantly give the worst advice on earth
opaque quest
Its almost like having someone else play for you means you dont know or learn the game
Shocker
opal forum
đ€Ż
ionic fern
everything else is 60 so can lvl fast
Yoooo, i just remembered i still have my War WIthin char boost.
ionic fern
Boosted a lock, yeah - now just gotta setup UI.
tribal wharf
Wowhead pic even uses OG quel serrar
que sera, sera, whatever will be will be, the futures not ours to see
tribal wharf
i love games with the sad music đ
and aliens
aliens to kill, this is
or robots! robots are extremely good canidate for killing without prejudice
opaque quest
There is the Classic Yogi
tribal wharf
you don't trust robots do you?
opaque quest
Ofcourse
tribal wharf
fuck robots, we should stop at computers and machines
opaque quest
fuck robots, we should stop at computers and machines
NO
My 7800xt is here in like 30 minutes
Im not gonna have you take it from me
I need more advancement. I need better enemy AI
M O A R
tribal wharf
the last one you ordered was too long or something iirc
unless that was someone els
opaque quest
I have 3 GPUs here now
1 is to long. The second one fits but then i saw the 7800xt for 430 and had to get it too. I also have 2 cases now. Gotta get rid of all of them
Only sad part is that its a founders edition card. No huge cooler and no LEDs
opal forum
Hey guys, is it my job to burn the adds on last boss WC (in pug)
Like do they expect me to do it
tribal wharf
no, it is your job to use stuns on adds
stuns stop the adds from cc'ing party members
holding them ransome so sort of like the tree boss but different
stun (the monster) allows the player to temporarily get free,
tribal wharf
best you can really do is group the adds up and cleave
since besides summon adds hes a big do nothin
maybe casts chain lightning
opal forum
I just dont get it why you would do that when someone can insta throw the burn pot
tribal wharf
im pretty sure the adds have to die first and become corpses on the ground for you to use the item but thats not typically my job on that fight
cuz, he ressurects them
opal forum
I know all of that
tribal wharf
if it instant killed alive ones i wasnt aware, sorry
opal forum
No they dont lol
tribal wharf
oh, you mean burn with the potion, ya no
like, its your job to help burn the add hp, which is what i was getting
opal forum
Maybe i wasnt clear enough i recognize
tribal wharf
im also notoriously dumb here đ but i do know my wcm
opal forum
Ahahah well this dungeon is rly easy, i love to do it
But last boss they seem to never use potion
Its always manageable anyway
With shockwave
But i wonder if they expect me to do it
tribal wharf
i have an anneurysm any time i see a dungeon with timer 30 minutes or less
what is this, 90's dominos?
1 mistake, 1 wipe, whole run is forfiet....
FUCK
THAT
opaque quest
Hey guys, is it my job to burn the adds on last boss WC (in pug)
Healer job
opaque quest
Im not gonna move into the "backline" to pick up a shitty flask lol
Meanwhile heal is there anyways
opal forum
Especially that the healer is just dpsing that fight
opaque quest
Yas
opal forum
Might as well do the dirty job
tribal wharf
only if i ever accidently get it from leaping to stairs to charge do i use the potion
potion of fire,
thats a grenade ffs
call it a moltov ffs
opaque quest
No youre not
opal forum
And spamming my buttons
opaque quest
Leap charging hasnt been a thing in 10 years
opal forum
Just yogi things
tribal wharf
its less than 1 in 10 runs i pick up and use the molotov more than 1 time ever on that boss if at all
opaque quest
Just yogi things
tribal wharf
i mean, really you don't need it with all the adds on that fight
he just, sits there doin nothin, so its easy reset
uneven mason
Leap charging hasnt been a thing in 10 years
Didn't we do that in SL to make use of our lego
tribal wharf
i leap everywhere tbh, probably should have rolled a dh i nstead on returning to wow
im dumb and arrogant and self absorbed
typical dh really
opaque quest
Didn't we do that in SL to make use of our lego
I didnt. I just intervened
tribal wharf
and hyper active
opaque quest
Didn't we do that in SL to make use of our lego
Even IF it was worth it. Which i dont know since i didnt play much during SL i wouldnt have just because leap charging feel terrible
uneven mason
I didnt. I just intervened
NM I was thinking early SL when we used leap charging to kite
opal forum
Yes
opaque quest
tribal wharf
to be fair i do the leap charge less after someone told me about its bad recently
i wont say never but i try to do it alot less now
jagged pier
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/903344239801413683/1213451028171849838/...
me fr fr fr
opaque quest
me fr fr fr
tribal wharf
Eat your vegetables
you aint my daddy, don't tell me what to do
opaque quest
you aint my daddy, don't tell me what to do
Im still in mugging distance yogi
tribal wharf
C'est la v ie
opaque quest
I like my victims french
tribal wharf
if i die, i die
opaque quest
That was depressing
tribal wharf
what can i say? im a warrior, the battle rages on
tribal wharf
whats the other option
sit there and die?
thats whny i take leaper after all
rock and hard place really.
opaque quest
The alternative is to press shieldblock and shieldwall
Na for real if leap stops you from dying leap
tribal wharf
oh
opaque quest
Dragon keep is just the Borderlands 2 DLC as a standalone
tribal wharf
well shit, i got this one for free at somepoint
opaque quest
Yeah if you got BL2 you get it for free
tribal wharf
im hoarder of free games, any time there is a code or 100% off game im all over it no matter what it is just to claim it for possible future or immediate use
tribal wharf
ah, yeah, see i got bl2 when it first launched for x360
so i didnt get that probably
opaque quest
I had BL2 for the 360 too but the fov change on sprint gave me massive headaches
PC master race. No cheat engine no buy. Just to adjust graphics settings that cant be adjusted in the game
opaque quest
foggy lynx
does the bleed from rezans feed into our tier set?
tribal wharf
nah, its OUR bleeds spells
and i cant think of the other main bleed, but it doesnt apply to that one either just our main talented kit bleeds, tool tip will say for sure
foggy lynx
im just thinking that it may say yours but isnt a trinket still consider your dmg
i was just wondering
tribal wharf
its not all bleeds you can put on a target at any rate
foggy lynx
tis fair
tribal wharf
it would be broken if it was lol
foggy lynx
i was just about to say that
tribal wharf
im prety sure i recall in 10.0 or 10.1 rogues exsanguination (spelling?) was bugged and really did do that, affected all bleeds on target and made them tick 50% faster, not just rogue bleed
it got hot fixed one day is all i remember
cuz it was more than like 10% better than any other comp dps wise, so had to be nerfed
was some short period of time like 3 months dps dh, dps warrior, kitty heal druid, rogue comp was a thing
echo egret
@strong forum Are you really the new wowhead prot warrior writer ?
opaque quest
echo egret
I saw that of course, I was just pointing out that the author was still « by Llarod ».
echo egret
I also had a rewording suggestion about the talent Titanic Throw
opaque quest
Maybe the "Written by" needs to be changed by WH staff
@strong forum Why it do be saying by Llarold bebi
tribal wharf
<@192743144276623360> Are you really the new wowhead prot warrior writer ?
EVERYONE STAY CALM, ITS HAPPPPENNING
been waiting on this day for some time now
opaque quest
He announced it a week or so ago and even edited the wowhead post yet
Stop sleeping under a rock yogi bear
echo egret
I have to say, I read many pages again during an insomnia, and the change of tone is quite welcome.
tribal wharf
Stop sleeping under a rock yogi bear
i know, but im still excited for when it actually drops
im curious to see your 3d mark bench results
strong forum
Maybe the "Written by" needs to be changed by WH staff
it does indeed
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> Are you really the new wowhead prot warrior writer ?
no its just an elaborate prank ofc
covert flower
If raid trinkets aren't an option what's the best thing to run with rezan's?
7100 haste if that makes a difference
ionic fern
If raid trinkets aren't an option what's the best thing to run with rezan's?
Sandglass, Gore-Crusted.
opaque quest
it does indeed
Pog im very smart
Done some tests now. Timespy score is 19k most ppl get 20 with 7800xt but mine is the reference model and has zero overclock. Sooo seems about right
tribal wharf
i forget what i got lmao
opaque quest
GPU pulls 300W in port royable with RT on extreme and my PC still lives even with 550W psu
tribal wharf
i see you are a betting man
opaque quest
Well i cant afford a new PSU before i sell off the 2 other GPUs so it was either do or die
tribal wharf
could probably very easily trade gpu for psu
but thats a bit of down trading imo, something wanted for something not so much
opaque quest
Yea probably but people will try to give me a shitty 650W for a 430⏠GPU
And im not in the mood to do PSU + some cash and calculate stuff
So ill just sell it and buy a new PSU cause i dont trust people
opal forum
is there a way to know when i get hit behind? like is there a weak aura for it or smthg
opaque quest
is there a way to know when i get hit behind? like is there a weak aura for it o...
Logs only
tribal wharf
when it comes too electricity i dont fuck around
tribal wharf
i just get new psu or console
opaque quest
when it comes too electricity i dont fuck around
Thats why i bought a Focus GX and not some china psu
tribal wharf
at that point if power is fucked somehow
opal forum
not by everything tho
right?
like lets say i pull a pack of saurid in AD
one of them hit me behind
opaque quest
I mean yeah no. You can only check logs afterwards
opaque quest
https://wago.io/oDPBEUZgN This one is from SL but i wouldnt trust 3 year old WAs
tribal wharf
that, but id have to change the SFX to something else more yogi
tribal wharf
cuz, bam, if im not mistaken, has the punch SFX
and i bigwigs/dbm every important kick to be a punch sfx cuz pummel is my interrupt
opal forum
ill try it
opaque quest
Go for it. Gimme a yell when it throws LUA errors left and right. If it doesnt i might just save it and post it here and there sometimes
opaque quest
Oh another T3 set it is
Neat
To bad they are all ugly apart from Warr lol
Maybe i should use an FPS limiter now
I dont think i need 400 fps in overwatch
tribal wharf
thank god you arent "but muh fps...."
those ppl are insufferable, beyond 120 144 virtually flawless
covert flower
I don't raid ever so I've never looked into it/tested
Is the raid page more ST DPS (I'd assume so?) than the standard M+ build
tribal wharf
i have very good news to report
covert flower
Or is it kinda the same
tribal wharf
echo egret
no its just an elaborate prank ofc
May I suggest a slightly more positive review of the Titanic Throw talent ? Itâs really useful to range pull a whole pack with a solid amount of starting threat.
Especially in a pug world where DPS are used to stupid avengerâs shield and canât restrain themselves
Thereâs certainly more important talents to take, but I donât think Titanic Throw is 100% useless.
tribal wharf
i think we would have to modify it slightyl for yogi ui, maybe it lasts longer on the screen and no sfx
but i think this could be a game changer
you know the cat newspaper bop gif icon? like that
strong forum
May I suggest a slightly more positive review of the Titanic Throw talent ? Itâs...
sure i can take a look
which section specifically?
tribal wharf
basically this, can i make the white transparent for each frame and have that as the icon? this is probably what i need
opaque quest
those ppl are insufferable, beyond 120 144 virtually flawless
I havent seen a 500 hertz display yet but they exist. Might be visible might not. Gotta ask someone that has one
echo egret
which section specifically?
In the "talent and abilities" section.
I think the current description is 100% negative, when in itself, the talent is far from bad (see what I wrote).
opaque quest
The problem is that it can failpull
echo egret
It can yes, in a few places.
covert flower
Wouldn't that be sorta decent for EB first pull?
strong forum
the 3sec CD makes it hard
covert flower
Not sure how big the range is exactly but
strong forum
to pull multiple packs back to back
echo egret
I think this section should both anayze if a talent is intersting/useful/etc. AND mention if it's worth taking in the whole tree due to other talent competition.
opaque quest
I like titanic throw dont get me wrong but the average wowhead user has the same number of braincells as a trash bag
ionic fern
opaque quest
hey those are my customers now
Shiny gold plated trash bags
strong forum
thank you
opaque quest
â€ïž
strong forum
xdd
echo egret
I decided to take it during season 2, and nnever regreted it. I'm exclusively pugging, so I can't expect DPS to wait for threat.
tribal wharf
that or i will change the i icon to backstab
covert flower
Now that everyone is here I'm at work so kinda harder to see, does our ST page do decent DPS over the m+ one?
ST DPS that is
tribal wharf
as i instantly recognize that icon, maytbe make the sfx backstab sfx
strong forum
it does more damage yes
echo egret
Titanic Throw can also be used against the blobs for TOTT boss 2.
strong forum
but you lose a lot of utility
covert flower
Is it worth switching mid fall for Iridikron type worth or nah
strong forum
hmm
covert flower
Just port to entrance, zone in when your group gets to 3rd boss area
strong forum
what you can do
covert flower
Right after 2nd boss
strong forum
you can also switch after 3rd boss
opal forum
i guess the servant splitter is only recommended for raid?
tribal wharf
im torn on if titanic throw is goated or cursed
covert flower
Yeah true, but my route skips end trash anyways
strong forum
lemme whip up a talent build for iridikron
covert flower
Just pulls the very last pack during RP
strong forum
i guess the servant splitter is only recommended for raid?
if you dont have gholak, yes
covert flower
So being ST isn't gonna be that shit
opal forum
but no way in m+ right?
tribal wharf
id love to run more titanic throw if it wasnt so buck wild
opal forum
any regular weapon would do better
strong forum
no way in m+, correct
opal forum
ok ok thanks
opaque quest
Same boat as memestorm from neltharus
covert flower
Was actually thinking of doing something similar on deios too
tribal wharf
weapon has chance on hit "does dmg" everyone loses there minds
covert flower
Anything that just suits that fight a bit better than the standard M+ page
strong forum
you can switch to this for iridikron
for deios you'd just put 1 point into spellblock instead of bloodborne
covert flower
Yeah that actually seems like
strong forum
and remove 1 point from wrecking throw
covert flower
I'm not sure how much but like
strong forum
its a couple thousand dps
covert flower
Gonna guess around 15-20% ST increase?
strong forum
its not gonna be an over 20k dps increase
we already do like 120-130k ST dps in our m+ build
with this you can expect maybe like 140k
covert flower
I figured the double bleed increase would be huge
Sudden death value probably not as much as I think it is either
Still I'd take that anyways
strong forum
its a couple thousand
covert flower
Anything helps a shit ton on that fight
echo egret
@strong forum while youâre here, are you the one who will write the « end-of-expansion » article ?
echo egret
đ
covert flower
Yeah I was thinking over 15k at least, but I'll take that honestly
Not gonna make or break the fight by itself in 99% of situations but there's no reason not to
covert flower
Could do some tech in other dungeons if you have a lock too
Could swap it for Yalnu, Yazma
That kinda shit and lock summon back
strong forum
those 10k dps alone shave off 3.6-4.8million dmg
not even counting the haste increase or wrecking throw damage
which will just further increase those dps gains
covert flower
Although I guess you'd rather have your DPS switch full ST over you at that point
strong forum
well ideally everyone is stacked for iridikron
those bosses just get exponentially longer and longer on tyr and per keylevel
covert flower
Yeah the bosses with shields/adds are always Tyrannical scaling machines
So much dead DPS
So much more dead DPS each key level
opaque quest
those ppl are insufferable, beyond 120 144 virtually flawless
Managed to get 20k. Increased power limit and gave the baby +300 MHZ core
Average is 20050 or so
opaque quest
Graphcis score isnt combined score
My combined score is like 22k because of my overkill cpu
tribal wharf
ya, i havent ran that shit in ages, i think its uni-stalled even
warm plinth
Hamstring will one day get the justice it deserves
opaque quest
I had to download it too, but its only like 3 gigs so its fine
opaque quest
Hamstring will one day get the justice it deserves
Harmstring is underrated in low to medium keys and mostly unneeded in high keys
But saving a dps in a +20 from a spite feels good
ionic fern
I have never ever used Hamstring.
tribal wharf
one of these days i should got and buy like up to 4 x 8 TB fat slow disc hdds
tribal wharf
for mass storage
opaque quest
I only have it on bars in spite weeks
opaque quest
one of these days i should got and buy like up to 4 x 8 TB fat slow disc hdds
NVME is my next upgrade 750gb is starting to frustrate me
tribal wharf
hamstring is i have it bound and i hit it maybe once every 3-5 dungeons once or twice
warm plinth
It's good for the spirit of gold on priestess too
opaque quest
It's good for the spirit of gold on priestess too
I mean you have 5 ppl burning it down one of em will apply a slow passively
tribal wharf
extremely rare i ever try to use it
warm plinth
You would think that but it's not usually the case for me
opaque quest
Like i said. Good for low keys where everybody is an idiot unneeded in high keys
ionic fern
You would think that but it's not usually the case for me
Sure.
But guess we always just CC
So i don't think about it.
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warm plinth
It's weird because CCing used to be so much more common in bfa even in low keys
tribal wharf
Hamstring, is the button yogi presses when he wants mob to stop chasing healer will i pull it into next room
opaque quest
I just grip it back #DKLIFE SCRUBS
warm plinth
Now even in the 24/25s I've done, people are still killing them
tribal wharf
cuz im like pulling it into next room or its spirt of gold
or its a bombomb type add self detonate chaser add
warm plinth
Ikr lol
tribal wharf
if you have a pack of like 10 mobs and a ton of ghosts appear, suire, by all means cleave them down with group
im team stay and kill like 75% of ghosts then move on
opaque quest
Just thunderclap 4head
warm plinth
You're just adding to the timer for no reason
tribal wharf
they are adding timer to it to by getting slapped by the ghosts!
warm plinth
Unless they're blocking people or the healer needs to drink, just move on
opaque quest
Its much easier to move from spites because they take damage every second
They just die by themselves
tribal wharf
a goooodd frost mage will solo that entire ghosts affixes in terms of if u want to run away
covert flower
They will make it their mission to do anything besides run past them and onto the next pack
They'll bring out all the cc, aoe stops, mob control
Just on spitefuls post pack
tribal wharf
its insane how adept they are at that and its not even remotely close or fair how well they can slow and cc a big group like that
opaque quest
a goooodd frost mage will solo that entire ghosts affixes in terms of if u want ...
They dont have the same movespeed as players. They dont need to be slowed
Maybe throw a stormbolt if one spawns ontop of a healer with 1% life
tribal wharf
i find players can get cornered by them attemping to do other tasks or dps other mobs
or they have to hard cast and forget and get melee
covert flower
The only time they're aids is mid pack when you have a large disparity in mob health
Like when loads of shitters die and there's still a few bigger mobs up
opaque quest
i find players can get cornered by them attemping to do other tasks or dps other...
That is 100% true. Always expect people to be stupid
Aight ill go to bed. Rooach tired. Rooach sleep. Cya later
strong forum
talent explanations should look a lot better now
covert flower
I mean if it's something you've come to rely on and plan your pulls around and like
Then I'd say keep doing it, but if you know you could manage without, without it feeling bad for you
echo egret
In my world of pugging, I have to say switching TT has really changed my life.
And yes, I did pull the 3rd boss of WM with it...
ionic fern
warm plinth
It's basically illegal in that room as there are no six mob packs
echo egret
Now for TWW I would like a node "Titanic Throw / Gag Order"
And Berserker Rage baseline, because it sucks to have it removed and granted back at this cost.
tribal wharf
echo egret
Yeah I love these little phrases.
warm plinth
It's funny because I read through this prior to his changes and some of them are pretty funny. Like the previous ravager description said it was hard to take ravager and booming voice at the same time
jagged pier
warm plinth
The punish numbers were completely wrong before too
uneven mason
tribal wharf
my rough estimates for that dungeon was it went off ~15 to 20 times, id have to review could be less
well, thats higher than i thought, but at least i know its accurate working
barren vale
Hey team. Got my teethed kicked in last night in Vol...This taunt swap timeing seem right to yall?
10 stacks hurts
or im just a sissy
i dont think we can bait when the Jaws comes yes? it time based?
barren vale
i feel like mythic iggy hit was less hard then mythic Vol...
restive scroll
i feel like mythic iggy hit was less hard then mythic Vol...
She does, by a lot
First week with 30~ less ilvl, volcoros heroic was pretty rough
strong forum
mythic volc hurts becuase of the dot and because the tankbuster itself isnt blockable
but its a 1 pull boss
so it doesnt matter
barren vale
yea we are working on the soaks we got 22 pulls with 4 sub 5% we gonna get it i just gotta figure my BS out lol
not have this fire nsake touching my no no square so much
I just looked over the pinned doc for block reflect that may help too
get that timing correct
hardy snow
yea we are working on the soaks we got 22 pulls with 4 sub 5% we gonna get it i ...
use shield wall for every cataclysmic jaws, ask your warlock/rogue/death knight for attack slows on boss so he puts less dot stacks
barren vale
word i can do that, Not pulling it again till tuesday ill let yall know how it goes. tyvm for the help
chilly brook
yea we are working on the soaks we got 22 pulls with 4 sub 5% we gonna get it i ...
What is your cotank
barren vale
DK
restive scroll
Defensive stance is your friend too.
Although i haven't seen your logs
echo egret
Hey team. Got my teethed kicked in last night in Vol...This taunt swap timeing s...
Whereâs that screenshot from ?
echo egret
aaah ok
restive scroll
Know that the first stacks are higher than the following.
In my very small experience at least i got 12 then sub 10(7/8 average)
So if you're doing well on the first wave of stacks, you'll be fine for the rest
I only pulled it twice though
barren vale
Whereâs that screenshot from ?
No i lied thast wipefest
hardy snow
No i lied thast wipefest
if stacks hurt you, just make your rog/dk/warlock apply their attack speed debuff, thats how it looked on my last kill, way less than on your example
restive scroll
if stacks hurt you, just make your rog/dk/warlock apply their attack speed debuf...
Damn, that's neat
cerulean tusk
Ya lads have your DPS doing like 150k overalls on avg in 20-25 keys?
I am going crazy over here
restive scroll
Key dépendant, but that's about it on average
tribal wharf
my group key i just ran we cleared boss 1 cleared courtyarrd cleared hallways, get on pig wcm bos but i hadnt pulled courtyard matron and lust was back up on pulling pig so i said lust him guys? nope, we go back lust tree, timer was slow overall for it
cuz we didnt have lust on pulling gorak tul
cerulean tusk
Key dépendant, but that's about it on average
tribal wharf
iif they are doing 150k dps on this week something is wrong
cerulean tusk
my group key i just ran we cleared boss 1 cleared courtyarrd cleared hallways, ...
âMy group and I just completed a run. We cleared the first boss, the courtyard, and the hallways. When we got to the pig in Waycrest Manor, I hadnât pulled the Courtyard Matron, and our âLustâ ability was available again. So, I asked, âShould we use Lust on the pig?â The response was âNo.â Instead, we decided to save it for the tree boss. Overall, our timer was slower because we didnât use Lust when pulling Gorak Tul.â
They are tho, 8 groups in a row
150k DPS ._.
restive scroll
Oh my bad, thought you were asking about tank dps
cerulean tusk
No, I do 150k too, but DPS are doing 150k
that is what is turning my brain to mush
restive scroll
On a boss that's okay.
On overall that's of course low
cerulean tusk
150k is ok ST boss DPS?
tribal wharf
either way if the dps isnt outdpsing you, something is probably going horrible wrong
barren vale
facts
tribal wharf
thats cuz my grammar spelling as so bad?
restive scroll
Although to be fair, overall are often lower on tyra weeks
tribal wharf
cant be bothered to spelling atm
cerulean tusk
I used chat to make it more readable, as I could figure out what the point was in there
restive scroll
150k is ok ST boss DPS? <:critcake:984549832511344640>
Latest memory is ad 28, yazma.
180/170/140
So i guess
But we didn't make it, so what do i know :D
tribal wharf
lust on boss on cd is the way i have always known