#protection
ionic fern
EB is a horrid key for Prot due to caster grouping.
ionic fern
WM.
karmic plinth
clearly sense only played prot warrior to give mastery to the warlock, which glory extended for the whole group of course
ionic fern
Throne.
blazing condor
yeah wcm seems more feasible
jagged pier
clearly sense only played prot warrior to give mastery to the warlock, which glo...
yer took them nearly the whole key to come up with that instead of just saying. oh prot warrior is better than we thought and perfectly fine for this
ionic fern
WM is super solid for prot - nothing hurts us there and we get uber value from SR.
jagged pier
ionic fern
But even then, with the current DPS meta of almost all casters, VDH is wrecking.
And i think in the MDI they are playing fairly low keys, like 23?
blazing condor
mwahi can u change my name to something else kthx
ionic fern
You couldn't, but it was changed.
blazing condor
i see
tribal wharf
waycrest we get a 8 seconds long 15%dmg reflect vs mateon alma
plus many of active trio witches reflect, lord waycrest
tribal wharf
finally figured out the repair macro and it works within 1 macro
(mine does shield and weapon first, like, incase it ever red broke in a dungeon.)
vagrant nacelle
Why
waxen frigate
Why is sense so based
tribal wharf
Why
literal free repair if you can do it
like, it works on gear collected from dungeons and raids too
pay 300-1,000 gold per dungeon/raid, adds up
violet ginkgo
well but we need tons of skillpoint toward the profession right?
tribal wharf
ya, if you had put points into it i mean, i have overflowing amounts of knowledge points to spend
i had to split it into 2 macros until i figured out which spot the gloves are on
median tulip
I maxed out blacksmithing sometime in season 2; the free repairs have saved me so much gold
hardy snow
you dont need to spend tons of gold on repair if you dont die 
blazing condor
or if you dont have gear on
tribal wharf
free lunch is free
blazing condor
every meal is free if you dont pay
tribal wharf
if you have a garden or steal, yes
and if you steal, you get your fingers chopped off and you get put in jail
blazing condor
thats irrelevant
the meal was still free
you didnt pay for it
with money at least
tribal wharf
i suppose, bad argument also cuz you fcan have too much food and fill up or get sick from said food
lusty grotto
tribal wharf
really, you shouldnt die at all though
i mean, this is a video game after all, so if that does or doesnt gunna happen today.... who knows....
lusty grotto
it do be like that
warm plinth
Hi nim cutie
uneven mason
My prot paladin gm got the legendary last night, literally first one in the guild
uneven mason
No, they're like me (unless forced) they only tank
waxen frigate
Chad
warm plinth
Nish carried an 18 pretty hard yesterday
jagged pier
chad
warm plinth
He got a ring though so worth it
tribal wharf
jagged pier
based
waxen frigate
IDFK what my warrior has equipped I hadn’t played it in 2 months
Got my leggo and started raid logging as soon as we pulled tindral
warm plinth
Nish got to see my atrocious tanking though
waxen frigate
I think I did like 330k as arms
tribal wharf
send 4 m+ boxes to paladin
warm plinth
Yeah it was around there
tribal wharf
2 are helmet
tribal wharf
at least 1 helmet have speed
warm plinth
Lmaooo
tribal wharf
COULD HAVE BEEN 4/4 BUT BLZIZZARRD
waxen frigate
I got doinked by the reflect or whatever
warm plinth
Ngl we actually prio damaged really well in the last corridor, on the entries
waxen frigate
The thing that spins
tribal wharf
is it m+ boa boxes only gives armor stated slots and not weapnos and misc
so like not shields i would gues too, thats technical a weapon
waxen frigate
Just insra one sjot
Ya I think I took like 800k in one tick
Plus getting clipped by fire
For like 300k
lusty tiger
I got doinked by the reflect or whatever
I’ll give you something to get doinked by
warm plinth
Ya I think I took like 800k in one tick
Yeah I almost.got one shot by an indigestion tick on one of the pull lul
waxen frigate
thats only 1.1million dmg
I was an arms warrior
warm plinth
Ngl I was just trying to have fun so I was mostly ignoring bolstering
Very "let's see what happens" attitudd
Attitude
tribal wharf
i think bolster depends how many casts are going off from bolstered enemies
which turns into bully dps the casters first
waxen frigate
Bolster is always about “is there a mob that will one shot people”
If the answer is no, pull it all
warm plinth
waxen frigate
If the answer is yes, the question is whether you can prio dmg that target down in time for it not to cause problems
warm plinth
And if the answer to that question is no, pull it anyway
tribal wharf
does dht bear first pull start 1 shotting dps/healers on a 20? or the grevious rip when bolstered? (its more the bear lives to end and its giga bolster than cats or birds)
grevious rip seems like oh no anways thing, im not sure what it involves, but there is some way of stopping the dmg
warm plinth
The grievous rip fucks even without bolstering
Well the initial hit can't be stopped if it connects. But the bleed goes away when you get back above 90% hp, just like the boss mechanic.
tribal wharf
my guess is i have to stun cats mid cast or fear/ cs (dont have either currently)
waxen frigate
does dht bear first pull start 1 shotting dps/healers on a 20? or the grevious r...
It shouldn’t really one shot on a 20 if people aren’t already low
warm plinth
Yogi I thought we convinced you to run fear a long time ago
waxen frigate
And are smart enough to use defensives at higher stscks
tribal wharf
nah, button is cursed
blazing condor
first day? @warm plinth
tribal wharf
well i would want to be doing 20 or 19 dht tonight
tribal wharf
i'll just sit in defensive stance 90% of it again
lusty grotto
Hi nim cutie
blazing condor
the bear isnt an issue for you
it starts one shotting other ppl if left unkilled
you could pull it on a bolstering week but then you gotta make sure it gets prio
warm plinth
Yeah that pull isn't dangerous for you at all
blazing condor
on a pug 20 id just not pull it with the first pack
lusty grotto
i told him that like 3 days ago
warm plinth
Timer in dht is free enough you can literally go pack by pack
And still time
With room to spar
Spare
On a 19/20 anyway
tribal wharf
did i share the clip of the 18 where i told my group to say after killing red men and then at second red man i ran ahead anyways? only to have group yelling at me cuz 3 red men
i dont think i showed that one
warm plinth
What the heck is a red man
lusty grotto
does he mean keepers?
lusty grotto
oh the furies
tribal wharf
ya them
tribal wharf
so i told group before pulling them to stay after, and on second one, i was one eager to go to boss
blazing condor
its wow 101
tribal wharf
so they yelled at me lmao
it was the adds they create, i always forget to stick around to kill the 4 adds it makes
warm plinth
How many people have you /ignore this week yogi
tribal wharf
not many, just if they are toxic and ragey
lusty grotto
cause they fuck the party up when they die
tribal wharf
what about the mushroom men
they ceate mushrooms assume its the flowers
if i stun them, they dont cast the mushroom? not a hard mechanic but takes up alot of arena
tribal wharf
its annoying and i want a way to deal with those better,
tribal wharf
oh, ya, so send paladin or hunter in with immune and run through? lmao
lusty grotto
sure, but i just eat them with a shield wall
not too many cause they chunk but with shield wall they dont 1 shot you
tribal wharf
i always just pulled mobs out once too many shrooms around us
lusty grotto
thats fine as well
opaque quest
https://tenor.com/view/amemoneoka-gif-19172900
We thought we reached him. "Slaps table" WE DIDNT
uneven trench
do y'all run sophic or wafting on prot?
opaque quest
Wafting is the way to go
opaque quest
More haste more feel better
uneven trench
that's what I was thinking. Sophic sims higher for me but only slightly.
so i'm thinking the qol from giga haste would be nice.
blazing condor
my sims say wafting so i go wafting
opaque quest
Like jakey said it doesnt matter. Diff is way to small
blazing condor
🤓 ☝️ well its about maximising the potential of your character
lusty tiger
opaque quest
@lusty grotto i got 3 lucky ignis now but zero work slave artisan or serious 
opaque quest
I love this video so much
warm plinth
https://youtu.be/_f8sXvDDd8g?si=CQMItsB8VDNTJuVz
Tbh I tune out when people explain raid mechanics. I learn by seeing/doing. I can't learn something by listening to it. But fortunately I pick up on mechanics very quickly so it's never been an issue
waxen frigate
Mostly same
I still look into stuff but I need to at least feel it out to have a true understanding of it
warm plinth
The real question is, should I try to field a heroic raid team next season
chilly brook
Tbh I tune out when people explain raid mechanics. I learn by seeing/doing. I ...
basically same tbh
chilly brook
me no idea
warm plinth
Griff you're supposed to know
warm plinth
We need to do more skyhold meme keys
chilly brook
true and real
warm plinth
It's been too long since that train wreck of an underrot
chilly brook
I got my monk and a rogue/priest
warm plinth
I have 7 toons somewhat/ geared
All 465+
I still wanna do a key on all 40 of my 70s one week
opaque quest
Tbh I tune out when people explain raid mechanics. I learn by seeing/doing. I ...
I watch a 1 minute guide from quazii before the fight then learning by doing
lusty grotto
<@131897531251556352> i got 3 lucky ignis now but zero work slave artisan or ser...
i hate you
lusty grotto
ngl that was a banger
left basalt
I watch a 1 minute guide from quazii before the fight then learning by doing
This is the way
opaque quest
i hate you
We can trade. Give me some serious and artisans lol
opaque quest
This is the way
tribal wharf
consider your selfs lucky
i ran 20 dht, and it ended in giant boom
it didnt record, so i caspare you all the 30 seconds + of being feared by 2 tree boss trash casts
lusty grotto
maybe if you had disrupting shout
you could have aoe kicked them
maybe if you had disrupting shout AND fear, you could stop being scared of the dumb owls
plenty of possibilities
opaque quest
I might be the biggest Idiot alive
My 6800xt arrived
And its 3CM to big for my case
I got one for 400 and didnt check cause i was hyped
hazy bronze
One day I'll yogipug
tribal wharf
probably time for a new case then
opaque quest
Yeah probably its sad cause i liked my smol case
I might just improvise and run the PC on a shoebox for now 
tribal wharf
dht very painful sadness key as the numbers go up
dislike many parts of it
not hate
waxen frigate
I have several parts of my case ripped open with pliers
lusty grotto
its actually one of the easiest if not THE easiest key this week
waxen frigate
Because I couldn’t figure out how to fit something when I was like 17
lusty grotto
AD might beat it but yea
waxen frigate
tribal wharf
i failed that key too many times now
lusty grotto
i dropped my main rig's case while i was moving 2 yrs ago
and it dented
a lian li case
and fan vibrations make it sound terrible on load
i havent replaced it 😦
i should def buy a new one but lazymode for 2 yrs lol
i just think about all the work i did to cable management on it and i just dont wanna do it again until i make a new one
median tulip
do y'all run sophic or wafting on prot?
I've got Sophic on my MH because the sims were identical and Sophic was cheaper
warm plinth
My old one was a lian li. Surprised you managed to dent it tbh haha
opaque quest
Max GPU length is 31.5
lusty grotto
it dropped from my hands
opaque quest
My new one is 34
warm plinth
Just force it in; it'll be fine
opaque quest
I might sell the 6800 again and buy a 6800xt in the factory design for 400
Cause thats only 27 long
lusty grotto
i just got timed out
by the auto mod lol
anyway i was saying this
cause i was grabbing it by the front panel like an idiot
warm plinth
Ahh
lusty grotto
front panel came off, case went down
warm plinth
Oof
lusty grotto
luckily it only had mobo+cpu and psu
opaque quest
lusty grotto
i wasnt a savage, i dont move with the gpu slotted in
warm plinth
So the components were probably fine
opaque quest
Thankfully or rip GPU/PCIE slot
lusty grotto
everything is fine
its just when its on load
like heavy load
fans ramp up and vibrate
the inner case aluminum or w/e
opaque quest
Even more reason to just set 20% and forget it
lusty grotto
🤷
warm plinth
Yeah I don't ever oc either
lusty grotto
i have OC'd in the past
opaque quest
lol
lusty grotto
but my last 2 rigs i just didnt wanna fuck with it anymore
opaque quest
My old I5 4690k runs on 4.5ghz instead of 3.4
My 7800x3D idk tbh
I just set stuff up when it arrives then forget it
Also you can overclock and undervolt at the same time. More oompf and you pay less too
warm plinth
I'll give you some oompf
lusty grotto
meh im too old for that shit
opaque quest
Thats kinda hot
opaque quest
Just set it to unicorn silicon then adjust down until no crash problem solved
Found a gigabyte 6800xt fresh from RMA with warranty
425
Yoink
opaque quest
Imagine not having a healer that has more agency over you than you yourself
strong forum
opaque quest
cinder nova
Is that an all-warrior AD
strong forum
Yeah okay colossus is turbo broken for prot warrior
If that bait is real that is :p
But yes we did 5 warrior AD26 and tott25
waxen frigate
If that bait is real that is :p
Bruh
It isn’t remotely believable
It isn’t even written in literate English
strong forum
I only skimmed over it
waxen frigate
It’s littered with poor grammar as well as just nonsensical ability phrasing
The cheat death effect doesn’t even say how it prevents it
opaque quest
So right on brand for blizz
waxen frigate
Just “instead of lethal dmg avatar ends and you take 80% less dmg for 3sec”
Like ok are you still at 1hp
opaque quest
You will be at the life you were when the hit struck i'd guess but ye. Better wording would help
waxen frigate
tribal wharf
im taking back hillsbrad by force
waxen frigate
You will be at the life you were when the hit struck i'd guess but ye. Better w...
I will delete my warrior and record it
opaque quest
Insane grammar
waxen frigate
If this leak is real
lusty tiger
Stance against stances
lusty grotto
ok ok
cerulean tusk
I see "Odyn's Shield" name, and I know it is a troll 
dont need to see the rest
lusty grotto
either way
talents come out tomorrow
so yea
what classes have they not released yet?
or hero tress rather
uneven mason
Colossus
warm plinth
tanks need healers btw
You should really stop carrying @grim pilot
lusty grotto
i mean other classes
uneven mason
What other classes
warm plinth
There are other classes besides woyer?
lusty grotto
waxen frigate
what classes have they not released yet?
I doubt we’ll see monk or DH tomorrow
Or if we do it’ll be heinously bad
lusty grotto
you think they're cooking a monk rework if they are taking so long?
waxen frigate
No
lusty grotto
would be nice though
waxen frigate
I don’t think they have any clue what the fuck they’re doing with monk
Any of the specs
lusty grotto
yeah
waxen frigate
I would bet that there will be something related to shuffle in at least one of the trees
Like some shuffle extension/increase
warm plinth
I'm curious if dh will get 2 hero trees or just one
waxen frigate
I think they said 2
lusty grotto
yeah they did
uneven mason
you think they're cooking a monk rework if they are taking so long?
They're waiting for llarrdolldd to give feedback but all they keep getting is a 5000word essay on why paladins are better
warm plinth
So resto/balance, resto/feral, guardian/balance, guardian/feral
uneven mason
Guardian resto plz
warm plinth
They're waiting for llarrdolldd to give feedback but all they keep getting is a ...
Llarold isn't brew writer anymore either
waxen frigate
Llarold isn't brew writer anymore either
Ye Sinzhu does all our guides now
uneven mason
I about broke my mouse
uneven mason
Because doc popped me outta bear
opaque quest
All i want is a rework to Sanlayn for unholy
Make it more unholy
And less bloodelf vampire goth girl
opaque quest
10% increase for scourge strike is hella boring
warm plinth
Am I crazy? I thought they had hero talent calculators already
opaque quest
please ty
waxen frigate
Am I crazy? I thought they had hero talent calculators already
Don’t think so
waxen frigate
Considering there’s nothing to calc besides choice nodes
warm plinth
They had artifact calculators and you could get everything no?
waxen frigate
Idk
lusty grotto
yeah they did
waxen frigate
There’s also like 9 of them out and they’re all extremely early iterations
lusty grotto
im just saying its probably not a prio
waxen frigate
Yeah
opaque quest
This is the biggest meme for unholy. Let me choose between not being bound to a wheelchair or helping others kekw
Just as bad as putting damage and utility in one talent choice
opaque quest
<:keks:936231610850897992>
warm plinth
Yeah both of those are ass anyway
opaque quest
tribal wharf
tldr i gotta build more farms
lusty grotto
okay then
opaque quest
Hero talents are just wonky right now
Blizz is clueless
If its not borrowed power they dont know what to do
uneven mason
tldr i gotta build more farms
You don't wall your entire base in farms?
Like WC 101
tribal wharf
and towers? ya i do
tribal wharf
base so far, going into khazmodan i think
tribal wharf
neever beat it withiout cheats
opaque quest
Imagine not playing the superior WC3 reforged that has all the features of the old WC3
tribal wharf
redemption arc
opaque quest
tribal wharf
always cheated even wc3
grim pilot
You should really stop carrying <@325173865175318529>
man
xddd
I started as arms
and I cba'd and changed fury
and was still dead a lot
I am not a fury player
by all means
as u can see on provided screenshot
warm plinth
Kek
blazing condor
https://i.imgur.com/79RcPje.png
the fact that a 32 AD is timed with 4 dps
well more or less 4 dps the spriest respecs here n there
lusty grotto
ehh
grim pilot
- also 1 difference is that we were winging it basically whole dungeon
and those mdi/32 w.e have assigned stuff
they probably went shadow for first boss
and respec
tribal wharf
DEATH TO THE ALLIANCE
solemn current
I need your condolences boys. I've been tanking Fort/Bolstering keys all week with Barbaric Training instead of Seismic Reverberation and I still can't figure out how they managed to swap. Been that way for at least 2 weeks. Should've been the first thing I checked when rage generation felt off 🤣 .
warm plinth
Smh
solemn current
I mean it's still got nothing to do with my sim issue of Battering Ram vs Bloodsurge but I felt so damn dumb when I saw it. Wanted to try titanic throw and noticed it while swapping points.
lusty grotto
right but i thought we explained why rage gain was like that in the sim
lusty tiger
^
lusty grotto
not that I recall lol
youre hamming at 5 targets that never die
same with the ST sim
that patchwork never dies, and your timer matters for the sim
you can only shield charge so many times in a given time frame
vs having bleeds up indefinitely
does that make sense?
or do you need more clarification?
solemn current
That math don't math though. 5 targets would make perfect since but we're talking ST. It's not relevant if it can beat it in a 20s window with max uptime, it's about if it can beat it with 40%ish uptime because that's not gonna matter if the fight is 40s or 5min it'll end up around that. The part I was confused about is why the sims only demonstrated battering ram leading to a measely few extra shield slams across a 5min encounter on average which is why it would appear really weak compared to bloodsurge in ST rage gen.
It's not like running a 40s sim is going to suddenly increase those shield slams significantly.
lusty grotto
shield charge is every 45s
it doesnt have any cdr
its not tied to AM
if you do a 40s sim, it will cast it once
not more
heres a comparison
on a 5 min ST sim
signet will pull ahead of any other trinket
because it will have full stacks
on less than 5 min ST sim, it won't
so if you can only SC every 45s
and you put a 5 min sim in
how many SCs can you fit in?
0s, 45s, 1:30, 2:15, 3:00, 4:45... so forth - thats what? 6 shield charges total? 5x for 3 mins sims only if counting the very last one cause it might as well be 4, etc
vestal moat
Is the TLDR here bloodsurge over battering ram when we need disruptiong shout?
lusty grotto
meanwhile bloodsurge is ticking constantly
it kind of resulted from that yea
anyway the point is most encounters in WoW dont have perfect time windows
either way Nome probably has more insight into it
thats my point into why timeframe matters
solemn current
I mean you're talking about longer sims as if Bloodsurge ramps up or something. That's where your logic isn't making sense. 40% uptime of Battering Ram vs 100% uptime of Bloodsurge is going to be identical regardless of if it's a 40s sim or a 5min sim. All that matters is the uptime you get on Battering Ram.
lusty grotto
no
im not talking about longer sims
im talking about time windows
once again, SC is a static 45s
solemn current
And ultimately it STILL doesn't explain why sims are showing Battering Ram providing a few shield slams across an entire 5minute sim
solemn current
yea which leads to a 40% battering ram uptime on average
lusty grotto
so on a 3 min sim, you're clipping the last SC, its not giving you the buff at all
solemn current
I don't care about Shield Charge uses though I care about uptime. 40% uptime is 40% uptime.
solemn current
Yes, but if the sim ended just after a shield charge then the uptime would be cut short.
lusty grotto
am i misunderstanding?
solemn current
If the uptime was low in the sim we'd be having a different discussion, but it's not. It's still going to be 40% in those sims on average which is where I want it anyways since you aren't going to see much difference than that in keys on average.
lusty grotto
are you mentioning SS because of the 20% AA haste?
solemn current
Faster AA is more shield slam procs which is more rage yes. The talent itself does nothing for rage gen outside of that.
lusty grotto
right im just trying to see what you mean when you mention SS
i understand how it works
i mentioned it as much when you first asked
solemn current
I would expect, what, 10% more Devastor hits(?) to proc more Shield Slams than ~3 in a 5 minute window across thousands of iterations. It's why the rage generation in sims seems so low in ST compared to Bloodsurge.
You can even feel the extra shield slams during Battering Ram lol
solemn current
Yea WF turned off. No enhance shaman is going to give me WF in a key. I'll resimm and link. You want 3min or 5min? or another duration? My last sims are with the unknowing Barbaric Training and we ain't showing evidence of that
lusty grotto
i thought we were talking about ST
sick sentinel
Enhance would if u inv them
lusty grotto
wasnt the AOE sim thing settled?
solemn current
the sims are ST yes. I know Bloodsurge is better for rage gen on AoE that's not a question.
lusty grotto
you said uptime was right where you wanted it so i assume that's done for
for consistent AOE
its better for consistent AOE
which is not equal to keys
because you dont consistently whack 5 targets in keys for x amount of time
solemn current
Obviously, which is why I'm trying to get the ST values and make my own determination
solemn current
But battering ram is losing in ST hence the discussion lol. You want 3min sim? 5min? Lust or no lust?
lusty grotto
no lust, both 3 and 5
it occurs to me that the APL is set up for max dps, so it may do very small delays for Avatar and/or Demo
that might result in a bit less resource gen
just a tad
since max dps depends on as close to perfect Avatar resets as possible due to AM and of course not mentioning outburst
solemn current
3min Battering Ram https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9zaCeCDkyukoaxut4BApTQ
3min Bloodsurge https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tsw8HbXh1bjeQpqHnAm3w3
5min Battering Ram https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cR9tpk937Luk7Ber2NEFjR
5min Bloodsurge https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8CqsipZEPmGtCfmZfqbrdT
lusty grotto
so maybe that's something to consider
hardy snow
there is no surprise that battering ram is better than bloodsurge
solemn current
Yea holding those shouldn't mess with Shield Slam or Bloodsurge gen though unless it's holding Shield Slams for some reason. In both scenarios it just straight up loses to Bloodsurge though, It's just not doing dick for shield slam procs in the sims.
lusty grotto
holding SS for outburst procs probably
solemn current
But it is indeed a ST dps increase, it should just also be a rage increase in ST too. At least you would think. There's no way Battering Ram can literally FEEL the additional shield slam procs every time it's up but yet only lead to a few across a whole sim. They'd have to be holding it a while in the sims but I didn't look that deep as I'd imagine it wouldn't be holding for more than a global or 2 if it was.
That 5min sim claims 2 additional shield slams on average.
lusty grotto
shield slam is still generating more rage
with SC
but if im understanding correctly youre worried that it should be more
solemn current
By 2 additional shield slams vs the Bloodsurge sim. It's cleary making a difference but it's so miniscule over the Bloodsurge sim which doesn't feel right. All the damage increase for Battering Ram sim seems to be in the AA damage.
solemn current
Yea I don't know. Feel like it's never going to make sense. You'd think it could easily be simmed to say "this more damage on x targets, this more rage on x targets" but I don't think that sim can convince me that Battering Ram is nothing more than a glorified damage increase.
solemn current
I'd usually go for the damage, but weeks like this ain't it I'm fighting for my life out in these streets.
lusty grotto
?
solemn current
Fort Bolstering
lusty grotto
im so confused
i thought you understood that on paper bloodsurge isnt good
as good
solemn current
huh. On paper (ie the sim) it claims Bloodsurge is better in absolutely every scenario defensively.
lusty grotto
anyway this is a tangent, not related to ST sims at all
on CONSISTENT AOE
are you consistently hitting 5+ targets?
solemn current
Short of bosses, yes, but sims say defensively Bloodsurge is better than Battering Ram on those too. Why am I going in circles to explain this?
solemn current
No but they determine rage generation which is the only factor between the 2 talents in terms of defensive value
lusty grotto
youre not going on circles, you literally just mentioned it right now
i give up
@strong forum take a look at this will ya?
solemn current
lmao trust me dude I wish it made sense in the sims.
solemn current
Good ol combination of fort bolstering what do you mean. Casts hurt, bleeds hurt, anything non blockable definitely hurts, to a point even the blockable damage starts to hurt.
lusty grotto
youre doing 27s
strong forum
But it is indeed a ST dps increase, it should just also be a rage increase in ST...
yes it not that many shield slams extra
its 4% extra
its 20% more of a 20% chance
= 4% more
20% chance via devastator, 20% auto attack speed increase with 40% uptime
so its technically even less shield slams
BUT
you do SHITLOADS of extra auto attack/devastator dmg
so what exactly is the question here?
lusty grotto
at 27s, i'd say bloodsurge might be a better option
lusty grotto
well it depends on your team then
solemn current
I'm not going to lie it feels like more than just a few shield slams but if you say the sims ain't wrong then I'm willing to believe the sims ain't wrong. I'd love to run both though but I've had it with pugs to a point to where in most dungeons I'm just trying to take a little bit of the matters in my own hands.
lusty grotto
cause you might need disrupting depending on comp
strong forum
idk
i dont see the use of disrupting shout
i just dont
its 1 pull in everbloom
1
lusty grotto
depends on available stops
strong forum
you have 3 stops yourself all on giga short CD
4th stop with intim shout
you just gotta play around em
lusty grotto
yeah but only 2 are AOE
strong forum
so?
when do you realistically need that many aoe stops
consistently
also emphasis on aoe interrupt
lusty grotto
i guess
strong forum
on disrupting shout
solemn current
In EB for example it's great for getting the first naturalist down because every. single. pug. is going to leave it out in range after your first kick and let it channel on someone like the healer. Also the easiest way to gather 2 packs of the casts near witherbark. Great for interrupting the mages near sol. Even helps get a cast or 2 on council boss.
strong forum
stormbolt it
lusty grotto
every single pug DOES leave it
lusty grotto
even if you mention it
strong forum
voila
lusty grotto
even if you cc it to skip it
they still pull it somehow
a lot of these choices are because we also run with pugs Nome
strong forum
so do i
solemn current
kick is used to group mobs up at the start and stormbolt is used on berkserkers. In a perfect world you've got 4 fine young gentleman that use common sense, but that ain't what you getting in pugs.
warm plinth
i dont see the use of disrupting shout
I knew I liked you
lusty grotto
yeah but at that high key level, in general EU has better pugs
strong forum
yes
people actually use their stuff here
consistently
aside from a few boosted clowns
solemn current
Send them over here.
warm plinth
There's a reason eu title cutoff is higher for sure
strong forum
kick is used to group mobs up at the start and stormbolt is used on berkserkers....
shield charge the berserker
you go in, kick naturalist
pull the 2-3 extra packs
kick the other naturalist as you pull it last
then SW -> Spellblock
and youre hard chillin
by the time peopel are CC'd by choking vines from that freecaster in the back
they realise whats going on
if they dont
stormbolt -> charge -> kick it in
or you have leap back up
and just leap over
urban bane
“We used to make shit in this country. Build shit. Now we just put our hand in the next guy’s pocket” - Frank Sobotka, s2 of the wire, lamenting the state of pugging in NA
solemn current
I spent the first half of this season watching pugs not kick the first naturalist in despite specifically asking to. It's great on paper but the alternative is I just disrupting shout it and it makes it's way in. Even if I stormbolted it while in ranged it's just going to come out of the stun and continue casting. Easier said than done but the more utility I spend trying to get it in myself the less I have on everything else. There's also still the obvious it's huge on mages and it's huge for grouping up packs near witherbark. Alternatively your dps get upset and antsy fighting 3 mobs at a time lol.
lusty grotto
i kinda understand where arbiter is coming from on those pulls to spawn witherbark alone
obviously bolstered reflects are amazing too but yea
solemn current
Honestly the real answer make the damn talent baseline but it's been a life saver if not for convenience alone so I can worry about other things. It's probably saved my life a handful of times simply for locking out casts when pugs decide to zug zug.
As much as I HATE not being able to take both Bloodsurge and Battering Ram with it.
lusty grotto
idk, we have to see what they (and if they) do after MDI
blizzard has always just ignored anything that's not numbers
solemn current
Someone will play prot in WM if they haven't already, it'll be called OP and we'll figure out how to get another nerf probably lol
lusty grotto
or they wont do anything cause prot is fine
based on being used on MDI
but either way its highly unlikely
VDH is just too good for a full caster comp
plus set-it-and-forget-it dps
from the tankiness of those casters, to their utility and groupwide defensives, there's a lot going on
too hard for blizz to look into those
solemn current
I mean if VDH doesn't get a nerf by S4 I'll riot, but yea I don't hate where Prot warrior is I just think the amount of utility gutting they did pre xpac was overkill just to give tanks like VDH and Prot Pally as much as they did. Keys feel infinitely easier and more in control on my VDH despite having infinitely less fun.
solemn current
More than SL yea, I just mean they gutted most of what they gave us in the PTR
lusty grotto
all they have to do is put safeguard back on and give us gagging order back, fuck it we're good nothing to worry anymore
maybe do the darkness treatment to rally
hell do the darkness treatment with most group wide cds, not just warrior's
solemn current
Safeguard + either one of AoE reflect, baseline disrupting, or gag order and yea I'd be happy. Maybe put my bleed dispel back into Bitter Immunity. Shouldn't have to play dwarf to escape it.
lusty grotto
haha yeah that last one is not gonna happen, so long as they keep getting money for race changes
but i mean who knows
they've gone back on a few things that generated money like TWW crossrealm guilds
and server transfers, i mean
solemn current
Prot warrior and DK the only 2 specs in the game that haven't gotten some sort of a small rework this xpac no? Bound to have to look at it eventually for adjustments.
lusty grotto
now that you mention it, yea
cause bear and brew got "looked at"
and pally, dh got full reworks
vestal moat
wouldnt say brewmaster exactly got a rework. they got a new talent no one uses in press the advantage. and a few pathing things. oh and early on the rsk generates healing orbs talent.
warm plinth
wdym no one uses it
lusty grotto
yeah thats why i said they got "looked at"
bear did get a rework though, so it shouldn't be with brew
i think
warm plinth
Yeah I would call bear a rework 100%
I don't think every spec needs a rework either though
like ret did, and vdh did
lusty grotto
im also a bit worried at reworks, so far they have done a good job but...
what if they just end up fucking it all up something
tribal wharf
eh, just throw it through gpt
lusty grotto
no
you still dont understand how open ai works
but ill repeat it, it gets shit from the internet and applies those as its answers
and if theres 1 million sites saying prot warriors need pink hats, it'll suggest it
warm plinth
well, it doesn't get its shit from the internet. But it was trained by the internet almost certainly.
warm plinth
Would probably be more useful if it was just live pulling from the web
lusty grotto
and once again, open ai has 0 absolutely 0 access to discord chats
that means any idea we have in here, will not be factored in
warm plinth
But what you could do yogi is you could feed a transcript of everything we've ever said in here into a chatgpt prompt
Wouldn't take long right
10,000 characters at a time
lusty grotto
that is, until discord gives them budget api access or something like reddit did a week ago
throttled, budget api access
tribal wharf
lusty grotto
why do i even bother
tribal wharf
i fed it the strengths and weaknesses on icyviens
warm plinth
Did you just tell it to speculate on future changes?
tribal wharf
User: How will protection warrior be changed in the new 2025 world of warcraft expansion, the war within, and what would be their 2 and 4 set piece bonuses?
current strenghts and weaknesses are:
warm plinth
So it's just taking what it knows and what you gave it and guessing
Idk when the most recent chatgpt was trained but most likely if you hadn't told it the name of the expansion, it wouldn't know
lusty grotto
lol
tribal wharf
Shield Mastery" - Increases the effectiveness of your Shield Block ability by 20%. Additionally, Shield Block now grants a temporary absorption shield equal to 10% of your maximum health.
20% shield block effect, and it grants me IP, sure, why not
After using Ignore Pain, your next Shield Slam or Revenge deals 25% increased damage and generates additional threat. Additionally, your Shield Wall cooldown is reduced by 20%.
what is this, skittish and DA stuff?
lusty grotto
i wish he understood that, he just thinks its black magic
warm plinth
Lul, increases effectiveness of shield block
lusty grotto
but to his credit
warm plinth
lusty grotto
thats just about everyone when it comes to open ai shit
dont forget additional threat
warm plinth
now you have a 120% chance to block 
tribal wharf
i mean, that could be "lasts 20% longer (or 20% more degree of block from 180 Kappa)
lusty grotto
meh
tribal wharf
its not giving me very good results
jagged gust
If wow would just let us dual wield shields we could have 360 degree block capabilities
waxen frigate
Idk when the most recent chatgpt was trained but most likely if you hadn't told ...
Last I checked like 2022 or 2021
For the free public version
warm plinth
@tribal wharf ask your chatgpt when it was trained
@waxen frigate i'm scared; I joined a 23 tott pug and the leader is a 476 ret pally w/ only 2 timed 20+ keys, and the healer is a holy priest
waxen frigate
Could be worse
warm plinth
Yeah, at least he's not running UE
willow ledge
Last week I was at 33%, let's goooo
waxen frigate
next week 120% 🙏
willow ledge
🙏
warm plinth
🤔
opaque quest
DK tank's necklace gems
I just glanced over and saw my 6800 on the shelf
Then i saw my 55 fps in palworld
I think im gonna call in sick tomorrow and buy a new case
Im going crazy
sick sentinel
Is prot good yet?
sullen gust
Is prot good yet?
Always has been brobeans
sick sentinel
Always has been brobeans
opaque quest
Is prot good yet?
Yes. Prot is amazing now after all the buffs in the last 10 days since you asked
What do you expect. You got the same answer last time. Nothing has changed
sick sentinel
Yes. Prot is amazing now after all the buffs in the last 10 days since you asked
When did I ask 10 days ago?
opaque quest
Yeah true my bad. Couldnt keep up with you deleting all your discord accs
opaque quest
Whats with the conversation from july last year that says deleted user but everybody calling that acc spindaddy?
Im sure thats a coincidence
waxen frigate
@lusty tiger you gonna let @livid oasis talk to ur man like this?
livid oasis
BRO IS LEAKING
livid oasis
opaque quest
Jeree has always looked breedable not just his DH ngl
livid oasis
i sure am now
waxen frigate
opaque quest
This is the point where i head off. gn bois dont get zesty
waxen frigate
This is the point where i head off. gn bois dont get zesty
sick sentinel
Whats with the conversation from july last year that says deleted user but every...
Huh? I was called spindaddy for like 2 weeks then I went belteshazzar which everyone knows me as now I'm spindaddy again
lusty tiger
<@193453212500623360> you gonna let <@235857431492558848> talk to ur man like th...
hes right tho
waxen frigate
Yeah
sick sentinel
And here I thought warrior discord was no longer full of degens
lusty tiger
why would you have thought that?
waxen frigate
sick sentinel
That's one sick af arm tho
waxen frigate
waxen frigate
lusty tiger
was that your prom photo
waxen frigate
No
My sister took that picture in my front yard while I was holding a can of monster energy and then I sent it in my guild discord saying “I’m ready for dragonflight”
lusty tiger
oh yea i remember her telling me now
waxen frigate
waxen frigate
lusty tiger
nish i would drink out of the same monter energy can as u
waxen frigate
That’s rly gross that’s cooties
lusty tiger
u want my cooties 5sure
waxen frigate
lusty tiger
livid oasis
prot chat aint so bad after all
waxen frigate
prot chat aint so bad after all
This is average prot chat
cerulean tusk
For a sec, I thought this was PvP
livid oasis
For a sec, I thought this was PvP
waxen frigate
This spec is cursed
I don’t even play warrior
warm plinth
@waxen frigate I don't mean to brag but I got to key with Nimchip
opaque quest
Anybody wants to buy a used 5700xt thicc 3 ultra?
opaque quest
190 but its in germany
mortal dagger
I m somewhere near nps
opaque quest
Define somewhere near
opaque quest
@lusty grotto https://store.steampowered.com/app/1623730/Palworld/ 0.1.5 is out on steam
They fixed all the stuck stuff
mortal dagger
Define somewhere near
A bit to the left a bit to the right
opaque quest
A bit to the left a bit to the right
Sadge. Im right in the middle
restive scroll
Welcome to the new protection war discord game
Where does Rooach lives?
I'm your host, Hogo, and there's probably a price if you can guess !
restive scroll
Damn, you must drive fast
opaque quest
No but i have someone sitting next to me writing for me
restive scroll
Unless there's a berlin in North Korea
opaque quest
Oh that
I thought about texting while driving
I have a cloning machine. One of my clone slaves is getting the part
restive scroll
Gonna make the game interesting *-*
opal forum
hello guys, would you still pull the bear on first pack of DHT this week?
or you skip it or tag him alone?
for a +25 with pug
i feel like theres no way my teamates will survive
covert flower
If you pull it you need to tell your group that the bear needs to get sent to hell ASAP
And make sure they know you're serious
opal forum
do you think i should do it?
covert flower
Like they need to do things to the bear they wouldn't wish upon their worst enemies
ionic fern
do you think i should do it?
I would. 🤷
Chances are you'll all die like 8 times in the beginning because of it but w/e.
opal forum
might as well solo tag it no?
im not trying to look cool
im trying to time keys smoothly
ionic fern
Doing it solo is a time waste.
opal forum
chain wyping is way worse
ionic fern
Either do it with the first pull, or tag it into the next one.
I would do it with the first pull and just hope that the DPS'ers have a brain and keep defensives for the bolster.
opal forum
alright
ionic fern
The following pulls are free for DPS'ers, so there's no reason they should hold their defensives.
opal forum
ok ill try like that thanks
blazing condor
it feels hella bad if you waste all CDs/BL on the first pull then gotta do the bear completely raw
blazing condor
ionic fern
Pug life.
blazing condor
i feel you
harsh laurel
Pulling bear on bolstering week is asking for getting bricked tbh 🤷♂️
ionic fern
Pulling bear on bolstering week is asking for getting bricked tbh 🤷♂️
Only if people bad.
opal forum
we bricked on the second pack
blazing condor
you can pull it if you got a team that knows what to do
blazing condor
you just cleave off of the bear and make sure it dies first
covert flower
Just invis that bear and go crazy with trash to get invis back for next bears
Then invis again near the end
So you pull the first shit packs, invis first bear, pull a shit load in first area to make up the minutes for next invis, invis double bears
Then invis near the end
With your extra count
Either last pack or last + bats depending on how much count you got
opal forum
probly not the best week to try to time my first 25
waxen frigate
probly not the best week to try to time my first 25
Not the best push week, no
tribal wharf
i would rather they gutted every affixe that isnt tyranical and fort
and then made up shit never before thought of seen before
blazing condor
if your pet dies in a key it dies in real life
tribal wharf
some of the affixes are just old and bad
restive scroll
There aren't many good affixes, they are still trying to find good ones
tribal wharf
entangling can be free, its not tuned enough to be scary
size of the circle is too small, time to get out too long, or the slow while in it is too little + avatar = omegalul
and then for doing a nothing difficulty affix you get to continue playing the game, and if not you get stunned for 3 seconds, its just not scary in its current form
oh whats that? entangling is about to go off? good thing my avatar is up in 2 seconds .... avatar..... no more entangling...
median tulip
i would rather they gutted every affixe that isnt tyranical and fort
Tyrannical and Fort are shit
tribal wharf
it would get very stale if there wasnt those
median tulip
They have already got very stale
tribal wharf
ya, having a bunch of spikes and bottomless pits and 100 enemies, bunch of fire sticks in your mario level makes it a hard lvl
but it doesnt make it enjoyable or balanced
median tulip
Genuine opinion: The random placements of the witches in Waycrest Manor is a good thing and they should do that more to counteract the playerbase's tendency to work out a single route and never vary it.
Another good idea would be for random mobs to have buffs or be replaced by something nastier
Basically anything to break up the "set route" thing
tribal wharf
my general opinon is that the game shouldnt be easy mode, but it should be like you kil a boss in a key, you respawn at that boss right before or after it
like, its just more likely that you dont get completely slapped depleted
you get dunked on alot on this game by the game
median tulip
I agree that some dungeons would benefit from more advancing spawns. There's no reason why killing Oakheart in DHT shouldn't allow a respawn there, for example
tribal wharf
every boss
every single one for a key up to 20 say then you have the old graveyard system harsher only 1 or 2 graves entire run
median tulip
Not sure about every boss. Atal'Dazar for example, you really don't want or need to respawn at any boss
tribal wharf
could argue that i guess
waxen frigate
I agree that some dungeons would benefit from more advancing spawns. There's no ...
Halls of infusion moment
median tulip
?
ionic fern
Genuine opinion: The random placements of the witches in Waycrest Manor is a goo...
For casual playerbase, sure.
For anyone actually trying to push, no ty.
blazing condor
itd suck to lose a key you grinded just because of bad RNG
median tulip
The skill of adapting to circumstances would become key
blazing condor
i mean they were all on a set rotation anyway
median tulip
It would significantly enhance the replayability of the dungeons IMO
blazing condor
in the end you got like 3 routes depending
ionic fern
It doesn't change anything, unless literally all packs were RNG placed.
Instead of 1 set route, there would be 2 depending on which witch placement.
opal forum
the replayability in m+ is all about increasing in keys, that thing is not replayability its just, annoying,,
median tulip
IMO the problem with dungeon content is that it's too damn predictable
opal forum
i feel like its kinda what you want in any sort of PVE content
PVP is better at this
just my opinion
restive scroll
I agree that non-predictable more about PVP IMO too.
PVE is about overcoming something.
Like in Souls game, everything is predictable, yet, it's hard.
Therefore predictability doesn't remove the appeal of PVE (for people that enjoy PVE, of course)
Some randoms things can be good in small ways, but I remember for instance Emperor Zor'lok which was initially random.
Whenever he was going left, people just instawiped in the first week of progress.
That's not the kinds of RNG that you want as a player
(which is why they fixed it before the end of the week IIRD)
opal forum
you want to do the mathematicaly hardest key timeable by minmaxing absolutely everything you do and make 0 mistake
thats like the big end ideal for someone pushing
it would be so annoying if RNG happens all the time
restive scroll
Agreed.
And yet, there's a lot of small RNG everywhere, which is completely fine
Some people enjoy that predictability, quite a lot ^^
predictable =/= easy
median tulip
I would outright prefer more RNG, less predictability, more "react and play"
The dungeons are stale and predictable
On bosses I can see your point; but not on trash
ionic fern
Idk, i find every dungeon being different.
Random casts going through.
Random people accidentally pulling.
Random DPS'ers standing in crap.
🤷
pulsar wedge
exactly
if your doing 25's+
try doing a 18 on a alt and see if you even come close to timing it
median tulip
I shouldn't complain, really
Wow being boring means I actually get my coursework done
warm plinth
@ionic fern thoughts? 🙂
