protection

[waxen frigate]

The super credit store is rotating armor sets, none of which have unique effects compared to other sets

Just different looks on the same effect

[lusty grotto]

good to know

[opaque quest]

Cosmetics only shop in a popular game

[waxen frigate]

Ya except I’ve gotten most of the shop options without buying super credits

[lusty grotto]

i have no problem with that

[waxen frigate]

Because again you just get them in-game

[opaque quest]

Depends on the prices

If its 20 bucks per skin like OW2 then thank you no

[lusty grotto]

i mean just dont buy them lol

[waxen frigate]

Nothing in the hd2 shop has been equivalent to more than $4

Most of it is 100-250 super credits

Which is about $1-2.50

[opaque quest]

This is not an argument. If there are no good cosmetics to play for i wont play the game

[waxen frigate]

If you wanted to pay money for them

[lusty grotto]

[waxen frigate]

I look like a stormtrooper I’m badass

[opaque quest]

F A S H I O N I S T H E E N D G A M E

[waxen frigate]

The face of democracy

[opaque quest]

Do you shoot like one?

[waxen frigate]

My tactic is fire superiority

As illustrated in that screenshot

Of an after action report

Does it matter if my accuracy is the lowest when I have the highest hits and kills?

[opaque quest]

If there is no character limit my shil will the called "The extreme patriot of extreme patriotism"

[waxen frigate]

It’s a selection

You select prefix and suffix

But tons of variety

Mine is SES Light of Democracy

[opaque quest]

Just shoot more bullets

[waxen frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/denzel-washington-training-day-smoke-gif-22279308

Virgin vs Chad (I’m chad)

[opaque quest]

If you have to ask if you use to much artilery youre using to much artilery

Doesnt mean you cant use more

[waxen frigate]

I often use the sub machine gun as primary and light machine gun as support weapon

Just fucking hold left mouse

For democracy

[opaque quest]

Can i still ask for double lmg?

For double the justice?

[waxen frigate]

Sadly no

You get primary weapon, sidearm, support weapon

Primaries are smgs, shotguns, assault rifles, dmrs

Sidearm is pistol, baby smg, or revolver

[opaque quest]

Guess ill just play assault rifle like in any other game i ever played

With revoler as sidekick

Thats fine

[tribal wharf]

shotgun pretty good too

[uneven mason]

What game that B?

[tribal wharf]

guns in like in most cods, any shooters, is shotgun/allforms of full auto and large mag, so lmg, ak, m4 mp5 general smg and ar/pistol probably 9mm but its a damn pistol what more u want,

[uneven mason]

Oh helldivers

I should actually install that since someone sent me a xopy

[tribal wharf]

and i try to stay away with guns that are snipers, and 3 round burst or single fire rate, but i don't mind if i have them, i only mind if thats the only thing i have

that goes for basically any game i play

rockets and laser/plasma weapons trump all of that of course though

[willow ledge]

Hey guys, so I've been off tanking M+ trying to get more aspect's crests and I really feel squishy. I feel like I'm keeping up with shield block and doing IP as much as possible without going completely out of rage but it still feels like I'm dying to nothing.
Might it be that the only thing that I changed from my Fury gear are my weapons?
Is it the combination of Fortified+Bolstering that's making me think that I'm garbage?
I truly don't know what I might be doing wrong

[opaque quest]

I dont like shotguns. Not my cake

[tribal wharf]

shot gun good

makes things very dead, for only a few cheap shells

[opaque quest]

Na stats wont save you no matter which or how many. If y ou got a log we can take a look at it bun none of us will guess. Its defo a skill issue if youre dying tho. What level are you doing?

[uneven mason]

Requires short range

[opaque quest]

I just like the aesthetics of assault rifles

Even tho im a much better shot with DMRs and semi autos

[uneven mason]

Fort+bolster is a vacation week

[tribal wharf]

shotgun is situational yes, but generally its my go to weapon in any game

[uneven mason]

Fort bolster is just a platter of turds

[tribal wharf]

its like the big sword asmon uses every time

same energy

[opaque quest]

I like the Jackhammer from BF3

Or pump from Fortnite

[uneven mason]

Because a sensible pull that people can't prio properly will give you a lt that slaps for a mil

[opaque quest]

I

I feel like dying in 20s even in a aids week like this is a skill issue tho

[uneven mason]

True

Yeah logs would go a long way

[jagged pier]

probably doing somthing wrong cant tell u without logs tho

[strong forum]

fort bolstering certainly doesnt help with the feel of squish

[opaque quest]

Hey guys my PC is shutting down. Idk why. I wont tell you all the symptons or speccs tho

[uneven mason]

It really magnifies errors

[opaque quest]

Fort bolster certainly doesnt help but he said aspects so i'd hazard a guess around +-20

[uneven mason]

Turn off windows

[tribal wharf]

hello it i have you tried turning it off and back on agin

[strong forum]

delete system32

[opaque quest]

Already deleted Sys32 and its still not working

[strong forum]

heard that helps

[opaque quest]

Fuck beat me to it

[willow ledge]

Was doing a +15 AD and then a +16 RISE, the people at the +13 def didn't know how to focus but in the +16 I felt like I was getting slapped hard as fuck. I felt like I was at 50% health most of the time

[opaque quest]

Youre being slapped in 16? We defo need a log cause even with 460 ilvl that shouldnt be a problem

[lusty grotto]

do you happen to have logs?

[willow ledge]

I'mma look into logging an m+, I'll ping ya guys when I have them

[lusty grotto]

or can you search for your character to find one?

[uneven mason]

Add a ## at the start of command.com

[lusty grotto]

in warcraftlogs.com

[tribal wharf]

delete c:* . *

[opaque quest]

Just check your name on WClogs there might be one already

[strong forum]

for all intents and purposes

these are jokes

nobody try these things

[lusty grotto]

a lot of people log already, so there might be a log up, just search for your character in warcraftlogs.com @willow ledge

[tribal wharf]

put your lap top in the mircowave

so it recieves more wifi signal

[uneven mason]

It's overheating, put it in the swimming pool

[willow ledge]

Nope, only logs in my main spec

[opaque quest]

Common sense is a rare thing isnt it

[lusty grotto]

ok np, try to log next time and we can help out. A lot of tools do that automatically like MRT, Loggerhead, Bigwigs/DBM and Raider.io

the options usually are off by default on the more common addons

[willow ledge]

I thought it was a scuffed logging, since my rio always says this

Just for the Discord bot spam

[uneven mason]

I'd write the infinite bash script here....

[lusty grotto]

its an option, just enable it

[uneven mason]

But I'd never hear the end of it

[lusty grotto]

wdym discord bot spam though?

are you a guild master and in a guild that has a logging bot?

[willow ledge]

not a gm

[lusty grotto]

because if thats the case, you won't be able to get around it if youre on the followed players

only option is to ask your guild to remove you from the players the bot watches in WCL

as you WILL log continuously and automatically

usually though, those bots only report logs that have been uploaded

addon recording shouldn't trigger it

unless its a live log

[opaque quest]

Whats a guild logs bot?

Havent raided in a guild in 10 years

[lusty grotto]

its a discord bot that scans WCL

and then posts in a channel when a log gets uploaded

of a select player list, that admins can change

[opaque quest]

Ah got it

[lusty grotto]

like this

thats not the only one though

[willow ledge]

I thought you meant this one

[lusty grotto]

there are different ones

yeah rio has one

it doesnt matter though

they all act the same way kind of

[opaque quest]

And it doesnt make logs public? Stupid stuff

[lusty grotto]

well

im not entirely sure

its been a million years since i used it

[opaque quest]

Fair enough

[willow ledge]

welp, looking at my r.io folder seems like the addon is only logging raids and not m+ dungeons

[lusty grotto]

check the addon's options

logs arent on a r.io folder

they always are under a subfolder called Logs, under _retail_ in your WoW folder

so WoWfolder/_retail_/Logs

theres a sub folder called RaiderIOLogsArchive but its just an archive

i.e. it moves older logs there

btw you should delete shit in there if you dont need it cause its gonna take a lot of space eventually

it also depends on which addon you use for logging

but that's what the r.io one does

[winged slate]

Logs end up taking a shitload of space over time

[lusty grotto]

[willow ledge]

Oh yeah

[uneven mason]

And you have to enable advance logging

[dusky canopy]

I live log and delete them constantly

[lusty grotto]

i think rio auto enables it

[willow ledge]

they were in Logs since they are fairly new

[winged slate]

I remember not deleting my logs for a while, and my logs folder was like 30+ gigs

[lusty grotto]

[winged slate]

The classic 30 gigs of raw text

[willow ledge]

interesting...

[winged slate]

The only minor annoyance is that you cannot delete logs while the game is running

It's good to just cleanse that folder regularly if you log

[uneven mason]

13gb

Amateur

I had a log back in my eq days that hit 19gb

[dusky canopy]

Just form the habit of opening the logs folder shortcut to delete old logs, put it on your desktop right next to the addon manager

It’s like my daily ritual

Update/delete

[willow ledge]

Okay guys, here are the logs
Please help me with these
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/A2F3gxahJtcNRYdv

[uneven mason]

Back when the hard drive was only 50gb

[dusky canopy]

9/10 times you could press buttons more

[lusty grotto]

its private

[uneven mason]

PowerShell script in startup

[dusky canopy]

You’d be amazed how much globals you miss during a fight if you’ve never bothered to pay attention to that

[willow ledge]

try again

[lusty grotto]

your block is painfully low

it should be 100%

or as close to 100% as possible

[dusky canopy]

101%

[opaque quest]

40% SB uptime lmao

oof

[lusty grotto]

that is a huge problem and probably why you feel squishy

[opaque quest]

You gotta block my man. Press shield block

[uneven mason]

We're literally shields with legs

[dusky canopy]

Block DN

[willow ledge]

dn?

[opaque quest]

He isnt. Hes just legs

[uneven mason]

Dobt

[lusty grotto]

dont

[opaque quest]

Dont

I swear brewji

[lusty grotto]

no teasing

but

ill bite

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/testing-new-deez-nuts-ha-teeth-gif-15758045

[willow ledge]

oh no

[lusty grotto]

what's dn

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-twitch-twitchtv-twitch-emote-kek-gif-19085736

[jagged pier]

nope that screenshot has nothing to do with uptime

[dusky canopy]

[uneven mason]

Brew, they're obviously a paladin main, look at that pfp

[opaque quest]

I know its blocked hits but i checked both

[willow ledge]

I main fury warrior...

[uneven mason]

Which means they're sensitive

[opaque quest]

I main unholy

[lusty grotto]

block is your main active mitigation

it also buffs your damage

[opaque quest]

But if you wanna live you gotta get blocked hits up to 85 at least

[lusty grotto]

it should be 95%+ up at a bare minimum

[opaque quest]

SB also buffs SS dmg

[opaque quest]

Dude is doing 16s lets start smol

[dusky canopy]

Ohhhhh

I know his problem

[lusty grotto]

okay 90%

[dusky canopy]

Only two paws

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046046500578406479/1155733225365311589/bongofury.gif

[willow ledge]

lmao

[jagged pier]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/966342876109885500/WuLoB9ellc-1.gif

[uneven mason]

Run heavy repercussions

[opaque quest]

where tc

[jagged pier]

🤷

[lusty grotto]

they are running heavy repercussions

[opaque quest]

OG devastate

[jagged pier]

it someone spamming thier buttons and just pressing devastate because of it

[lusty grotto]

talents look fine

[dusky canopy]

My RSI is bothered looking at that gif

[lusty grotto]

@willow ledge try to improve your shield block uptime and report back, and we'll look at other things, dont want to overly complicate it for you

[dusky canopy]

Have fun homies back to work

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-exit-door-gif-15229894

[opaque quest]

jakey thought i dont know the diff between SB uptime and blocked hits btw

rip feelings

[uneven mason]

@willow ledge You're rage starving yourself spamming revenge

[winged slate]

You're casting way more revenges than SS

[uneven mason]

Revenge is your Lowest priority ability

[lusty grotto]

☝️

[uneven mason]

Ss always, if SS isn't available, press TC

[winged slate]

Your TC casts are also very low

[lusty grotto]

shield slam > thunder clap >>>> revenge (only and ONLY when shield slam and tc arent up)

used only to fetch for a shield slam reset

[uneven mason]

And anything else on the gcd

So all of our CDs

[opaque quest]

I dont get why people dont read up on icy veins or WH before going into a key

[uneven mason]

Are ahead of revenge

[opaque quest]

The absolute minimum of research

[lusty grotto]

rooach be nice lol

[opaque quest]

I am. Trust

[lusty grotto]

at least its not a combat botter shaving off title rankers

🙂

[opaque quest]

Fair enough

[lusty grotto]

those we can be nasty to

[uneven mason]

🙃

Turdcop

[opaque quest]

Im just saying these resources exist for a reason

[opaque quest]

Toadcunt

[lusty grotto]

Phonycop

Softedge

lets call him by his character's name Notso Hardedge

[winged slate]

Also wait, am I tripping? Were you in no stance at all for the entire AD?

[opaque quest]

My next name in FF14

[lusty grotto]

nah you tripping

[willow ledge]

I'll work on my shield block, seems like a good start.
I just have a hard time holding trash aggro and start doing revenge. Probably a bad habit from BDK tanking

I was onbattle stance

[opaque quest]

TC will let you keep aggro

Dont worry about Rev

[winged slate]

I see a stance for the DOTI

[lusty grotto]

you dont get stance info unless you swap in logs

[winged slate]

Oh wack

[lusty grotto]

yeah it be like that

[uneven mason]

Because if you swap specs it puts you in stance 0

[willow ledge]

I did read WH, It's just hard to put into practice

[lusty grotto]

go in pop avatar, thunderous roar while slamming and bootyclapping

[opaque quest]

Are you playing with or without a class weakaura?

[uneven mason]

And in Lua, arrays start at 1

[winged slate]

Yeah if you're spamming revenge you're gonna do no dam

Revenge is the smol pp

Shield clap some booty

[lusty grotto]

keep in mind also that you WILL lose agro if dps outgear you

[opaque quest]

Download luxthos WA and call it good

Will help alot

[uneven mason]

But yeah focus on sb, and using ss on CD

[lusty grotto]

upgrade your shield and weapon ASAP btw

before anything

[uneven mason]

Using tc anytime ss isn't available

[lusty grotto]

shield and then weapon respectively

[opaque quest]

Pretty sure all these problems are easily fixed with a decent WA pack

Rotational at least

[uneven mason]

Press IP when at 60~ rage

[opaque quest]

https://www.luxthos.com/category/weakauras-dragonflight/

[safe heron]

afenar's is better anyway

xd

[lusty grotto]

that's subjective

i use Nome's

[opaque quest]

Maybe but Afenar took to long to update so im using all Luxthos and i like them better anyways

[winged slate]

I've always personally preferred how the afenar ones look visually, to each their own

[uneven mason]

[willow ledge]

oh yeah, those are just for the time being. not getting accepted into any relatively high key for being a dps warrior is shit

[lusty grotto]

just use what you feel and looks best for you

[winged slate]

If they give you the information that you need to succeed, great

[uneven mason]

Shield and weapon are a huge amount of stat

Lots of survival

[opaque quest]

I use Luxthos because i can customize it so muhc

[lusty grotto]

and weapon is more dps which means more threat

but shield is more important

[uneven mason]

Like any wa?

[opaque quest]

Yes but easy

If im gonna customize them i might aswell use them one that makes that easier dont i

[tribal wharf]

anything exciting happen on mdi

i missed it

[lusty grotto]

nothing really new

so far at least

my stream just died like 10 mins ago

so

[tribal wharf]

fuck this game

[lusty grotto]

idk if i missed anything

[tribal wharf]

some day i'll reach my goal of beating it on hard

[opaque quest]

First you gotta reach dn

[lusty grotto]

whats dn

[tribal wharf]

i gotcha

[lusty grotto]

that reminds me

[opaque quest]

Detroit News

[lusty grotto]

where has choco been

@south zealot wya

[opaque quest]

DN is just a news channel

[lusty grotto]

i miss our wendy's talks

[opaque quest]

Thats a huge nut

[tribal wharf]

my space sihp has truck nuts

[opaque quest]

I saw a Cybertruck with truck nuts the other day i lost my shit

[south zealot]

unsub

[lusty grotto]

when back

[south zealot]

dont know

[lusty grotto]

its ok its ok

[willow ledge]

Alrihgt so,
-Get Better shield and weapon
-Work on SB uptime
-Don't use revenge and use TC and Slam
-learn to stance dance

[lusty grotto]

wow breaks = good

[opaque quest]

Pretty much ye

[opaque quest]

The best

[lusty grotto]

, i'd swap work on sb uptime up as the most important thing

[tribal wharf]

it was inside of a nuclear reactor over heating (chernobyl reference perhaps?)

[opaque quest]

More like three mile island

[willow ledge]

kk sounds good

[tribal wharf]

you have to use it to blow up a spider guy thing, im pretty sure this is chernobyl referenc in this game tho

[opaque quest]

Your mom is a chernobyl reference

Hah gottem

[tribal wharf]

like elephants foot, game refers to it as "nucelear reactor core"

[opaque quest]

Because she got nice

round

soft

perfect

eyeballs

But green

[uneven mason]

Rooach

[opaque quest]

[lusty grotto]

[opaque quest]

Mwahi already sensed a disturbance in the force lmao

[tribal wharf]

this game is going to kick the shit out of me forever, but i have to beat it on hard mod within my life once

[uneven mason]

Life force?

[tribal wharf]

the space ship game i keep showing

[opaque quest]

He didnt get it

[tribal wharf]

i have to finish it now

[lusty grotto]

mandatory got a game nullified

apparently they pulled a tech that wasnt pre-approved or something

[tribal wharf]

thats the team that keeps DC right

huge let down but what can u do

[lusty grotto]

no idea

[opaque quest]

Why does tech need to be pre approved. Isnt the point of being the fastest to come up with shit on the fly

[tribal wharf]

someone had tank keep dc

[lusty grotto]

that's an ongoing discussion since forever rooach

[uneven mason]

"creative use of game mechanics"

Aka exploiting

[opaque quest]

[uneven mason]

Gotta get your exploit pre-approval

[lusty grotto]

yeah blizzard approves certain things depending on if they fall into exploit territory or if they are just so gross

[tribal wharf]

DH MDI GET HIT IN BACK

not just yogi

[uneven mason]

Like warp pulls

[tribal wharf]

see you guys

i heard guy speakin about it

[lusty grotto]

like the portal mobs in rise snapping is approved

and that's just borderline insane to pull off and also its kinda gross

[tribal wharf]

im obviously joking mostly with that

[lusty grotto]

but i think that's the farther blizzard is willing to go

[opaque quest]

Yogi gets hit in the back 99/100 times. MDI DH gets hit in the back 1/100 times

[tribal wharf]

all it takes is 1

[uneven mason]

It's approved because it carries a huge risk and chance to fuck the run

[lusty grotto]

yeah

killing bosses out of their arenas is instantly not approved btw

i know that one for a fact

[uneven mason]

I was shocked they allowed the shit in UR with negating charge to fly

[opaque quest]

Me pulling Kazzak to SW. What?

[tribal wharf]

what was this thing they did anyway

that caused big drama

[lusty grotto]

no idea

[opaque quest]

Yogi wasnt approved for being too good

[lusty grotto]

i missed that run cause i was looking at the log and my stream had died

[opaque quest]

Outrageous

[tribal wharf]

same i wasnt even fully aware it was going on till now basically

blizzard send out a pre-stream tweet or something, i'll see those probably, like day of,

[lusty grotto]

that was their DHT

[tribal wharf]

maybe its about tp out/in at in for % with hs > hero portal target first dude kill it

[lusty grotto]

so the win went to Sloth

nah that's rise

not DHT

[tribal wharf]

cuz dht does not have a tp out so u have to have count at eod

[lusty grotto]

thats allowed in Rise

[tribal wharf]

which like, every dungeon in m+should have that tp to start of dungeon after killing final boss, and then maybe its like punishment if you have to use it + 10 seconds i dunno

[lusty grotto]

thats fine, but im not sure what happened in DHT since i didnt watch it

[tribal wharf]

thats my big brain assume, since i know that fact from last weekend DHT commentary

[opaque quest]

Soon

8 levels

But also P I C K L E R I C K

[lusty tiger]

How’s the duo ranked experience?

[opaque quest]

Ive only solo queued so far on my smurf

But its brutal

New ranking system is clueless rn

The Matchmaking has never been good but the gap on some games is terrifying

[tribal wharf]

When your invisibility skip fails

[winged slate]

He probably cast a spell

You gotta cast before you drink

[opaque quest]

MEND BUTTCRACK

[winged slate]

Classic move

[opaque quest]

When i read that i couldnt stop laughing

[tribal wharf]

i want to make that a meme with wow stuff but i dunno of any cutscenes with startled characters

too lazy rather

peon or somethin

[winged slate]

Nobody does, even the writers don't know what they're doing

[opaque quest]

WoW story after legion

https://tenor.com/view/клоун-gif-13031758617125701370

Danuser and Alex ^

[lusty grotto]

both are gone at least

[opaque quest]

Thank god

[lusty grotto]

but apparently danuser did do some TWW work

so

[opaque quest]

Maybe we can have gritty forsaken now and not bebi menethil

[lusty grotto]

at least before leaving on the holidays

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/lich-king-lich-king-patrick-patrcik-star-lich-king-patrick-star-gif-23536793

This needs to happen

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-transform-ashbringer-the-ashbringer-world-of-warcraft-gif-21698168

[opaque quest]

Oh no

Didnt Danuser leave in Nov 2023 tho?

[waxen frigate]

That would mean he almost certainly did TWW work

[lusty grotto]

yeah but i read

that danuser isnt exactly to blame for SL's bullshit

like he 100% did the cringe as fuck sylvannas shit (the whole romance thing with Nathanos)

but not the overall thing

[tribal wharf]

all they had to do to save shadow lands was every so often the jailer goes ape shit and shows up in person to somewhere outside of the maw and then the primus comes and helps

[lusty grotto]

i... was expecting the jailer to be arthas

tbh

would have been a bit more interesting

but in the end they fucking shat on arthas

which was double dipping into being garbage

like the whole anima disappearing after death is weird

atheist death pretty much, completely deleted

[uneven mason]

Imo would've been 90000% more acceptable

[lusty grotto]

i was also expecting them to retcon varian being disenchanted somehow and show him up

[tribal wharf]

20,000 anima for boots transmog

i mean

no wonder it sucked

[lusty grotto]

so many dead characters that they could have had

[tribal wharf]

it probably would have been saved if you werent locked since day 1

[uneven mason]

Like if we're to believe discordiankitty, the primus was the actual jailer, and zorval was literally a puppet

[opaque quest]

I watched the Arthas cutscene and my DK main heart broke

Or lets maybe not have 50 masterminds and just have a villain that is graspable for normal peeps like us

[uneven mason]

But that got scrapped because God forbid the story team create a story with actual character

[opaque quest]

I just want Malf back

And Anduin

And Thrall

Some Male characters

Dont get me wrong i like Jaina but man its rough

[uneven mason]

I have good news

[winged slate]

Remember when the horde got the coolest warchief ever and he got killed 30 seconds later

Only to be replaced by the worst character ever

That was neat

[lusty grotto]

broxigar the red, varian, arthas, durotan (with draka), anduin lothar, llane wrynn, etc

[uneven mason]

Malfurion and Thrall are Metzen self inserts so I expect to see a lot of them

[lusty grotto]

so many interesting dead characters

[opaque quest]

Ya same

[lusty grotto]

and we only got draka

[opaque quest]

Malf was so good in WC3 and they ruined him

Into a simp

[uneven mason]

But they're really good characters

[winged slate]

Inb4 Sargeras casts mass res

[lusty grotto]

even cairne bloodhoof

[opaque quest]

We will never see Brox. iirc he isnt in WoWs universe

[lusty grotto]

he has been

mentioned

[opaque quest]

He would be dead becaus of age by now

[lusty grotto]

at least loosely

[opaque quest]

Isnt he Saurfangs daddy?

[lusty grotto]

brother

[opaque quest]

Or Grandpa or smth

Ye

[uneven mason]

Because half the creative team are in their 20s and literally thought that the malfurion in legion was actually him

[lusty grotto]

its varok that mentions him

easily missable dialog

[uneven mason]

Broxigar needs more than just that little side scene in the illidan story

[opaque quest]

Malfurion in the books: I will win this war myself if i have to.
Malfurion in the game: No Tyrande dont leave me alone im so scared in the dark owo

[uneven mason]

Even the stuff before bfa

[winged slate]

TYRANDE

I NEED YOU

[opaque quest]

To be fair that was Xavius making fun of him

But yea kinda true kekW

[winged slate]

So says the SHADOW of Xavius!

[uneven mason]

He literally flattens a horde camp single handedly and goes after Saurfang unarmed

[winged slate]

Dude why was Legion so full of funny ass lines

Like holy

[uneven mason]

Goes
After
Saurfang
Unarmed

[opaque quest]

The Darkshore cutscene with Malf in bear form was pretty rad

[lusty tiger]

[uneven mason]

And Saurfang knows he's fucked

[opaque quest]

What can a Warrior do vs a legendary druid lmao

Look at what happend to garrosh. Same deal different element

[uneven mason]

Get saved by the hunter kiting

[opaque quest]

[lusty grotto]

well to correct myself we got some interesting dead characters, besides Draka we got Kael'thas and that one tauren guy that fought in the war of the ancients

[opaque quest]

Oh

Huln

Yea

[winged slate]

Remember when Sylvanas' little twink easily beat an Elune-empowered hero of the Alliance?

[tribal wharf]

get saved by his superior gear armor and skill

[lusty grotto]

also no Rhonin, they just want him deleted

[tribal wharf]

thats the warrior way

[winged slate]

He just fuckin pushed her over

[opaque quest]

Just give me the War of the Ancients squad

[lusty grotto]

not even the sunwell lady either

[opaque quest]

Gimme Brox malf rhonin strasz and im good

[lusty grotto]

brox is such a badass, i highly doubt blizz could do him justice

its so weird

[opaque quest]

No way they could. Arthas isnt half as cool and look how they massacred my boi

[lusty grotto]

at least we still have illidan

[winged slate]

Wait who even is the warchief rn?

[lusty grotto]

i guess

nobody

[winged slate]

Wut

[lusty grotto]

its a council

[opaque quest]

We dont have a Chief. We got a "cOuNCil"

[winged slate]

That's not very Horde

Just throw Liadrin up there

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/you-dont-say-nicholas-cage-gif-13481115

Thalyssra for chief so i can simp

[winged slate]

You're telling me you wouldn't fight for this?

[opaque quest]

I mean i'd fight in her

Wait what

[winged slate]

I'm sure she's not busy

[opaque quest]

I dont know i just dont like elves very much

[winged slate]

You can hit it from behind

That way you can't tell

[lusty grotto]

lliadrin is dope

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-sounds-good-jim-halpert-the-office-good-point-gif-24321852

[winged slate]

She's also not very hateable, which is a good quality for a leader

[opaque quest]

I wouldnt hate Mayla either. She stands for everything the horde does

[lusty grotto]

well Thrall is kind of on protagonist mode

[opaque quest]

Dont give me green jesus hes to soft

[lusty grotto]

but i dont think horde with warchief is gonna happen again

wouldn't make sense

[winged slate]

Oh wait Thrall didn't even die right? He just ran off and was like "I'm gonna go hang out with Rexxar kbye"

[opaque quest]

They all just left

[winged slate]

Chad move

[opaque quest]

Sylv, Anduin, Thrall

[winged slate]

Isn't Sylvanas in super jail?

[lusty grotto]

hes also the first guy in the TWW cinematic

[opaque quest]

Sylv is in hell ye

[lusty grotto]

Sylvannas is technically the new jailer

[winged slate]

Where they tickle her feet all day and she can't stop them

[tribal wharf]

how about no more giant laser cop out

end of expansion

[opaque quest]

Weird kink

[winged slate]

Bro what do you think hell is?

They make you eat ramen without water

and your bedroom has legos instead of carpet

[lusty grotto]

i wonder what they plan to do with Denathrius, but im sure it will be garbage

[winged slate]

Is he still kicking?

[opaque quest]

Yes thank god

Hes inside mommy remornia

[winged slate]

Inb4 new DK legendary

[opaque quest]

Kinda jealous

I want her to slice me into ribbons

wait what

[lusty grotto]

[warm plinth]

Hi

[lusty grotto]

Hi cutie

[opaque quest]

Uuh its a ghash

Jaeger is writing a book

[polar shuttle]

can someone give me feedback on the actual status of prot? why isnt he meta atm?

[strong forum]

Smth Smth parry bad

[strong forum]

Pally and vdh bring silence

[lusty grotto]

[polar shuttle]

[opaque quest]

Go vers

[strong forum]

Pally gives your group survivability and vdh can aoe stop entire packs by itself + brings 5% magic dmg buff + does the most m+ dmg

Pwar isn't bad by any means

[lusty grotto]

the silence and some offhealing/cds are prefered in rank 1 keys basically

its not a defense thing

[strong forum]

But it doesn't bring unique things aside from rally and bshout

That's literally all there is to it

[lusty grotto]

[winged slate]

Casters OP

[lusty grotto]

bring back melee meta

[opaque quest]

As long as you dont do 29s youre fin on warr Jaeger

[strong forum]

And even if you do

You're also fine on those

[opaque quest]

Aye. Pika is doing higher stuff

[lusty grotto]

and nome!

and sense?

[opaque quest]

But honestly if you gotta ask you dont do 29s you do 18s for weekly

[strong forum]

The only limit to what you can do is just having the key

And the people who can also do the key

[opaque quest]

Aint nome arms this season?

[strong forum]

Ya

I still tanked 29dht(didn't finish that one tho cuz depleto) and 29wcm on tyr

And 28atal

[opaque quest]

Check

[strong forum]

I think also a 28brh

But that's a giga meme key

With 0 tank dmg

Like less than 0 almost

Ah no was 27brh

[polar shuttle]

never rly played prot warri

[lusty grotto]

ok, so what do you want to know?

[opaque quest]

Oh no

@lusty grotto do you see what i see

[lusty grotto]

Hardedge typing?

yea

[opaque quest]

[strong forum]

Huh

[lusty grotto]

Hardedge from EU Outland the Combat botter typing, yeah i did see it

[strong forum]

Combat botter?

What did I miss

[lusty grotto]

your friend toadcop

who you remember said he combat bots

is hardedge from outland EU

[pliant trout]

not true at all this week

[winged slate]

https://tenor.com/view/typing-man-typing-computer-gif-22122717

[strong forum]

Ah

I forgot who was that ic

[opaque quest]

Dont listen to anything Toadcunt types. All his shit is invalid

[strong forum]

[pliant trout]

dogs got triggered rofl

[lusty grotto]

Hardedge from Outland EU ladies and gents

[opaque quest]

"Dogs"

Na dude we just dont like you

[winged slate]

I'd rather hang out with Billy Mitchell

[pliant trout]

idc

ban me

[lusty grotto]

you care, cause if you didnt you wouldnt hide your name on your details windows

you see

youre doing that cause youre afraid of mass reporting in-game

[opaque quest]

Funniest shit is that he has so little social contacts that he rather gets flamed here than talk to his friends

kekW

At least he outed himself

[winged slate]

Don't shit where you sleep

[lusty grotto]

so if you really dont care

its a funny way of showing it

[opaque quest]

Dude is scared shitless at the thought of getting his only joy in life taken from him lmfao

[strong forum]

Tbf I think he did say before that if he violated the rules he doesn't care about being banned

[lusty grotto]

and of course title rankers are gonna be pissed, its just we really dont give enough of a shit about spreading it

cause 1 slot is potentially going to a botter

[pliant trout]

do w/e

idc

[lusty grotto]

[slender hemlock]

Prot is fun

[opaque quest]

Such an edgy teenager

[slender hemlock]

It kinda ruined the other tank specs a bit for me

[opaque quest]

He acts like i did when i was 12 and did shit kekW

[strong forum]

It's fun not losing hp

Once played well

[opaque quest]

Thats why im DK. I love losing all my life scaring my healer shitless then healing it all with 1GCD

[winged slate]

Not like the healer can do much anyway

[tribal wharf]

how come dh can take a mass silence so easy in talents and we cant i guess is my question but we also got 100% spell block 30 seconds

[opaque quest]

Ofcourse not

[winged slate]

I've never liked that about DK

[lusty grotto]

ask blizzard

[tribal wharf]

im assuming dh has to talent into sigils

[lusty grotto]

likewise Andy

[winged slate]

I wish they gave blood the guardian mastery tbh

[strong forum]

Nah blood shield is pretty fucking vital for bdk

[winged slate]

It could be totally fine if they just had a larger life pool to compensate

[strong forum]

Without it you'd just start dying endlessly

Cuz the absorbed dmg from bloodshield counts towards your next deathstrike

Which is why you can actually top yourself

[winged slate]

It just needs to be notably larger

[opaque quest]

Bloodshield is 40% of your heal, death strike being the other 40%

[strong forum]

It's capped at max hp so

To stop bdk from being immune from damage

[winged slate]

Guardian mastery just helps healers to actually do something if the DK is in a bind

[strong forum]

Yeah but...

[opaque quest]

Its also physical only

[strong forum]

The whole point of bdk is to not be in a bind

[opaque quest]

I like playing with a holy priest just for the constant wings that never get consumed but if you dont mess up you never need heal anyways

[strong forum]

If you're immune to physical dmg, magical dmg turns irrelevant aswell as long as it doesn't 1shot

[tribal wharf]

i think main thing is warrior simply has to have more armor or more attack power than any of the other tanks, choose 1

[opaque quest]

Ya

[tribal wharf]

if they offer nothing else

[winged slate]

Right but healers shouldn't be debating if they should even bother healing certain tanks

[opaque quest]

Dont you touch BDK and rework it

I like not having to rely on ppl that cant press their buttons

[strong forum]

?

They don't

[opaque quest]

But also im pretty sure you dont heal any tanks rn

[strong forum]

A good tank shouldn't require active healing outside of very predictable mechanics

Emphasis on active

A healer has to know a tanks weakness the same way the tank does

[winged slate]

If a prot warrior is at 10% healers go "oh shit" and they get a fat heal, if a blood DK is at 10% healers go "I hope you have death strike lmao"

[strong forum]

Correct

That's knowing how to play the game

[opaque quest]

I mean healers can look at my RP. Not a guessing game

[strong forum]

You track a bdks runic power

Not their hp

[winged slate]

Yes and I'm saying it's odd that healing a DK simply does less than healing other tanks

[tribal wharf]

doesnt bdk also live in world of always having giga absorb on them

[opaque quest]

Na

Sometimes you dont take enough damage to make blood shield huge

[strong forum]

I don't really get what you're trying to say

Sorry

[tribal wharf]

i figured thats how they worked is they just absorbed and parried they dmg and if they did take dmg DS

[winged slate]

So the way I view it is like this

[opaque quest]

DKs absorb and heals are all based on % taken in the last 5 seconds

So if i take basically no or low dmg no big DS/BS

[winged slate]

Say a healer slams a 1m heal on every tank simultaneously, just for the sake of argument

[strong forum]

75% of dmg taken in the last 5 sec

[tribal wharf]

i would be bdk main if it wasnt so ass slow

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/fall-down-this-is-happening-epic-fail-wheelchair-slipped-gif-17686071

[winged slate]

That healing simply goes further and is significantly more meaningful towards "saving" a tank like a prot warrior, since they have so much mitigation

DK barely mitigates much of anything, so your heals just aren't very effective on them, you're basically just wasting mana

[strong forum]

Then those 1mil healing on pwar are infinitely more useful than on bdk, cuz the bdk is gonna bounce right back down to 10% hp until it's next deathstrike whereas the pwar will stabilise again

[opaque quest]

We need to stop talking about BDK cause now i wanna play

[strong forum]

Correct

[winged slate]

Right it's odd that the healers lose agency instead of the other way around

[strong forum]

That's the whole design of bdk

Low mitigation, big healing

[opaque quest]

We dont mitigate? We press DS before a hit and after so we get bloodshield lol

[strong forum]

Pwar is big mitigation, low healing

[tribal wharf]

heart strike is a nice button to press but i suck at pressing it

[winged slate]

That's not mitigation, fundamentally

[strong forum]

It is

[winged slate]

It's healing

[opaque quest]

wtf DS is bloodshield

[tribal wharf]

so, thats part why dont play dk

[opaque quest]

How is a shield not mitigation

[strong forum]

Cuz pre-deathstriking means you don't get 1shot from the big phys hit incoming

[opaque quest]

What is IP then

[strong forum]

It's common practice

[winged slate]

Because it doesn't reduce the amount of damage you take

[lusty grotto]

Andy is right though mitigation is pre-emptive

[strong forum]

It does

Bloodshield exists

[lusty grotto]

by definition

[opaque quest]

I dont think Andy has a clue what DK actually does

[winged slate]

Healing is fundamentally not mitigation

[opaque quest]

THATS WHY I PRESS DS BEFORE THE HIT COMES SO MY BLOOD SHIELD MITIGATES IT?

[strong forum]

Bro

Bloodshield

Is an absorb

[opaque quest]

How do you not get that

[strong forum]

Not healing

[opaque quest]

Holy fuck

[lusty grotto]

right but i happens after the fact

[strong forum]

No

[opaque quest]

No it doesnt

You DS before

And you DS after

[strong forum]

You pre-drathstrike

Big phys hits

[lusty grotto]

well idk, i havent played BDK in a while

[strong forum]

You give yourself bloodshield ahead of the tank buster

[tribal wharf]

drathstrike

[winged slate]

There's a reason that shields are classified as heals - because you still took the damage

[tribal wharf]

[lusty grotto]

i see

[strong forum]

So that you can surrive the hit

[opaque quest]

Ill make it simple

Deathstrike gives you IP

So you press it before a hit

and after

Before to have blood shield mitigate

After to have DS heal

[strong forum]

*in case that the hit is large enough and you don't have BS already up

[opaque quest]

++

DS has 2 functions not just 1. Im sure everybody can understand that

[winged slate]

The point of specifying why it's different is because mitigation multiplies the effective value of healing

[opaque quest]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=77513/mastery-blood-shield

Im done. You handle it Nome

[lusty grotto]

yeah i got it rooach

but i do get what Andy is saying

[winged slate]

Cutting your damage intake in half multiplies the value of healing by 2

Doubling your health does not

[strong forum]

if the dmg intake remains the same

[winged slate]

We both took half of our total health in damage, but healing on me is twice as good

[strong forum]

atleast on paper, it does

if a BDK had 2x HP

it would need alot more healer attention if dmg intake isnt high enough

[winged slate]

My suggestion was actually a healing taken multiplier on them

[strong forum]

but why

a BDK already doesnt need a healer

[winged slate]

If you tuned the numbers correctly you could just add healer agency

[strong forum]

but why

no healer or tank wants that

[winged slate]

Healers don't want the ability to save tanks in a pinch?

[strong forum]

they have it

[winged slate]

I'm not sure I agree with that

[strong forum]

its called CDs

[opaque quest]

Why do i want someone else have agency over me? If im in a pinch you can still heal me. I still go IBF and Boneshield. Not everything in my kit is a heal

I also got DRB

[strong forum]

i have healed several very poorly played BDKs

and it ruined my fucking mana

[winged slate]

That's kinda my point right, bad blood players ruin your mana more than other bad tanks do

[strong forum]

no

a bad pwar will die just as quickly

as a bad bdk

cuz guess what tanks die to

being bad

[opaque quest]

[strong forum]

a tank only dies to mistakes

not to anything else

[winged slate]

Your ability to repair them is numerically worse so if both are playing like shit you have to work harder to fix them

[strong forum]

if a pwar doesnt have SB up

you cant safe him

no matter what

cuz his HP is gonna plummet right back down

in the same way that a BDKs hp plummets

if a Pwar doesnt pop SW on hard hitting mechanic X

[opaque quest]

Dude wants to tell me he can heal a Warrior without SB

[strong forum]

same goes for bear

vdh

monk

and pally

especially pally

[tribal wharf]

is there a tank tat doesnt follow that paradigm

[opaque quest]

no

[strong forum]

they just get globalled

[opaque quest]

maybe Monk with stagger

But he will die after the 2nd hit in red stagger

[strong forum]

every tank has to be played to a certain level of proficiency to not rely on active healer attention

and if you dont have that level of proficiency

youre just gonna be a burden on your healers mana

no matter which tank

there are tanks that are easier to play than others to get to an average level of proficiency, yes

but trying to gauge healer agency based on tank class is extremely subjective

if that makes sense

[winged slate]

I never argued against that, simply that you could make externally healing a blood DK more effective due to the fact that they don't mitigate as much of the incoming damage compared to some other tanks. I'm not suggesting you make them any more or less reliant on a healer - just giving healers a more even experience across the board

[strong forum]

they have

via externals

sac, bark, PS, cocoon, guardian angel

[opaque quest]

Ye if i dont get externals i die. Like any other tank

[strong forum]

SLT specifically not, cuz that kills BDKs more than it helps them

[opaque quest]

There is your agency

[winged slate]

But look at something like cocoon though, it's so much worse on a DK than on other tanks

[strong forum]

sure

[winged slate]

Cocoon just dies insta on a DK

[strong forum]

but a BDK generally also requires it less?

so idk what point youre making

[opaque quest]

Ye but it gives me time to build 40 RP

[winged slate]

On a warrior? Hey that's pretty good

[strong forum]

ya sure

but again

[winged slate]

Meanwhile PS is equally good on every tank

[strong forum]

its because they are MUCH less likely to even need an external to begin with

[opaque quest]

I dont need your cocoon most of the time and you got it for a dps. Thats pretty good no?

[strong forum]

so it evens out

thats the whole design philosophy

[opaque quest]

Just because its an external it doesnt mean its for tanks

[winged slate]

Yeah I'm not saying you save cocoon for a tank in general

[opaque quest]

When a Warr needs 4 cocoons i need 2, evens out pretty well

[winged slate]

I'm saying that it's fundamentally worse in a pinch on your blood DK than it would be on a more mitigation-focused tank, and I find that a bit odd

[strong forum]

only vs physical dmg

vs magical dmg cocoon is just as good on BDK as on every other tank

if not better

cuz BDK then gets the dmg absorbed via cocoon fed into the next bloodshield+DS

so its just a larger bloodshield+heal afterwards

potentially rendering them practically immune towards the next phys hit

ykno?

its all a long economy game with BDK

[winged slate]

It's not any stronger, the damage would be taken anyway in either case - if it kills you, it kills you. If it doesn't, you were living anyway

[strong forum]

...

but

thats good for BDK

wanna know whats bad for bdk?

TAKING TOO LITTLE DMG

[winged slate]

It's good on every tank

[opaque quest]

Thank god i didnt say that already

[strong forum]

if a BDK parries too often

[opaque quest]

Phew

[strong forum]

they die

[opaque quest]

DS healing 7% of my life for 40rp is pretty rough

[strong forum]

if a BDK gets a bop and sits in it fully

they die after it runs out

cuz they didnt take any dmg beforehand

so they cant roll off of a pre-existing bloodshield

[warm plinth]

Nome, title when

[winged slate]

You'd come out of it with blood shield unless you're afk the whole bop lol

[strong forum]

no.

[opaque quest]

No lmao

Blood shield is % based

You take no dmg your bloodshield is 50k

[strong forum]

when i get out of everbloom and DHT prison

[warm plinth]

[strong forum]

i did like a good 20 EBs 27+

[opaque quest]

[strong forum]

and not a single one timed

[warm plinth]

oof

[opaque quest]

Take yogi with you to carry

[strong forum]

its fucking pain

[lusty grotto]

[warm plinth]

Not a great week for EB 😦

[strong forum]

i had EB29 when this week started

its now eb27

[tribal wharf]

im debating going to try more dht keys gone disastorous so far lmao

[warm plinth]

[crystal mauve]

I don’t know if it’s realistic this week though, for our 27( didn’t finish) we changed the route to take less flowers but it feels bad either way)

[lusty grotto]

[strong forum]

didnt feel that bad tbh when i did the 28

just the timer was shit cuz dps was terrible

and route

[crystal mauve]

I guess you had a better bolstering experience that I did lol, I did a nice 2m reflect though 🤣

(On trash)

[opaque quest]

Then died the next hit lmao

[winged slate]

Anyway the fundamental point is that blood doesn't have to be less valuable to heal externally from a design perspective. There are ways that you could give healers more balanced experiences without directly affecting the DK's ability to feel self-sufficient.

[pliant trout]

you could make a ability for bdk what he accumulated healing or converts it into something w/e many ways to solve it. just depends what you want

[opaque quest]

Andy i need you to heal me when i take low dmg which is basically half the bosses. Is that not enough?^^

[winged slate]

I feel like you're missing the core idea that I'm saying if that's your response

Which is fine

[lusty grotto]

you could make an ability to report confessed botters in-game too

🤔

[pliant trout]

report

[opaque quest]

Mate you got agency when other tanks take high damage and you got agency when i take low dmg. Its 50 50

[winged slate]

I just don't think that you and are I communicating the same idea

[opaque quest]

Na he would need balls for that

[lusty grotto]

your opinion is invalid in everything my dude stop talking

[pliant trout]

i will do whatever i want lol

[opaque quest]

Your idea is to nerf DK so healers feel better when they press a button on a DK

And thats shit

[winged slate]

No, not at all

[lusty grotto]

okay 5 year old

[winged slate]

That's what I mean, you're fundamentallly not understanding what I'm suggesting

[opaque quest]

If you cant deal with not having agency over a tanks life or death play a healer with an external on a short cd

[winged slate]

That's fine, I'll just end the discussion if I've communicated my point so poorly

[opaque quest]

Sweet. About time

[winged slate]

Don't be an ass about it

[opaque quest]

Next time ill act like i misunderstood you after the firstpoint

[winged slate]

Why bother discussing if you're not actually interested in a discussion?

Just don't respond lol

[warm plinth]

Can we not be a dick just because we disagree with people?

[opaque quest]

Oh i was interested until you had a tantrum because you dont feel as impactful on DK as other tanks

[lusty grotto]

yeah be a dick to the botter instead

[winged slate]

Like you're so desperate to give me the middle finger when I said I'm done

[opaque quest]

There is no way to make healers have more impact on DK without nerfing or reworking it and both ideas sound like ass

You can ask your DK to play rune tap

🙂

[opaque quest]

No need. He doesnt understand the english language anyways

[lusty grotto]

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[warm plinth]

My opinion on the BDK (and ppal to an extent) is that it's nice as a healer because you have the ability to either DPS or heal other people if needed. But I also agree with Nome's point that tanks in general don't need a lot of healing right now barring specific mechanics or big misplays

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I love having a BDK. Means i can pump more as heal

[lusty grotto]

i havent played BDK in like 4 exps so im not fully knowledgeable on the topic

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But like Nome said. If you dont press your defensives you will die no matter the healer

[winged slate]

Sure, I definitely don't think it's a major issue or anything. Whenever I'm healing, I really don't have to heal the tank the majority of the time (at least right now)

[tribal wharf]

i have premonitions about this key 😦

[lusty grotto]

but fuck prot pally is boring as shit, only balanced by utility play which is great

[warm plinth]

D:

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Hes right

Prot is boring as shit

[tribal wharf]

its happening again...... 😦

[warm plinth]

D:

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shut up ghash or i make you ❤️

[lusty grotto]

if prot pally had 0 utility and offhealing

it would be

the most boring ass tank tied with druids

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Pretty sure it would just be prot warr at that point lol

oh no

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[warm plinth]

If pwar didn't have buttons, it would be the most boring tank

[lusty grotto]

🤔

😱

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Na Pala would still be more boring

[lusty grotto]

here ill just stand in this here consecration

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And spam judgment

[lusty grotto]

lmao i just realized

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You could use shield? Nah doesnt give hp kekW

[lusty grotto]

i played BLM

and its similar

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Black lives matter?