Or buffs all remaining obv but like
#protection
median tulip
I don't mind Affixes being a Problem, I do mind them being UnFun
median tulip
and yes I do agree that Fort Bolstering is a particularly dogshit combo
plush tendon
no M+ week should be looked at and be like 'yea, keys are dead'
plush tendon
we had 3 pretty good weeks in a row
and I played so much
this week its like.... i guess I just dont play?
covert flower
10 is punishing enough that you can't ignore it but lenient enough that it doesn't just brick your key before you put it in
Can't wait to see the weekly runs drop off
No heroic item and shit affixes
Has to be half or less
median tulip
Welll, at least it's not Necrotic
covert flower
Necrotic was bad but you still had more agency
median tulip
Yeah the TW reward being Normal is a joke at this stage of the season
covert flower
Kiting meta sucks but groups had to play for their tank
Would it be too much of a nerf for some mobs to be bolstering immune
So you just buff the lesser problematic mobs
Like no bolstering on lieutenant mobs
median tulip
IMO the actual problem is that Tyrannical and Fortified are thoroughly played out
When they changed the affixes they should have dropped Tyr and Fort, not seasonal affixes
plush tendon
the frustrating part of necrotic was trying to drop stacks.... but certain mobs couldnt be stunned slowed
median tulip
Everyone hated Necrotic. Tanks hated playing it. Healers hated feeling impotent, and DPS hated the fact that by midday on Friday all the tanks had done 8 runs and went "fuck this shit, I'm done for the week"
covert flower
And it was plagued more by VDH kite meta which
plush tendon
I mean, we had necrotic before S1 SL
covert flower
IDK how many people enjoyed playing that
I know but it was in every dungeon in that season I swear
median tulip
SLS1 was a dogshit season
plush tendon
VDH kite meta was due to the fact that blizz decided that tanks were too strong and wanted them to be made of paper
covert flower
I actually liked prideful
It was shit having to have like shit loads up for them on higher keys
But still fine
It always feels nice to have a fat buff
median tulip
Unpopular opinion: more affixes should have a kiss/curse functionality, so that there is a positive payoff to them
median tulip
Which is actually why I like seasonal affixes
covert flower
There's your kiss curse
Reward for playing them is not getting fucked, penalty for not playing them is get fucked
median tulip
Not the same tho
covert flower
I'm okay with kiss/curse to an extent but I'd rather just have no affix at that point
median tulip
There's not really a payoff for Bolstering
plush tendon
Incorp is a okay example of it
sucks to deal with... but if you can MC it free 10% DR
kind of nice on some Tyran bosses
covert flower
For the group or individual?
median tulip
Yeah, I do that a bunch on my Priest
covert flower
O wait you said MC I'm so stupid dude
I thought you were putting forth the idea that completing the affix should give you a 10% dr buff or something, completely missed the MC part
chilly brook
Which is actually why I like seasonal affixes
My buddy who is new was actually talking about this, he really was wanting affixes that have a legit change in the way the dungeon is pulled or done and I immediately just thought of how good seasonal affixes were
chilly brook
Thundering was ok
It was just a throw away affix tbh, the original version of it was bad but the one we actually got was ok
median tulip
My favourite seasonal affix was the Dreadlords one
winged slate
Thundering was so anti player
chilly brook
But prideful, the Nyalotha one, dreadlords all are kinda stand out
median tulip
I hated the SLS2 one, because it could randomly line the chain smash on that one dude up with Quaking
chilly brook
The s3 of SL one was actually a sick idea
median tulip
That was some bullshit
chilly brook
But it was just a boring execution
covert flower
I think prideful was like good and bad
median tulip
The s3 of SL one was actually a sick idea
That was the three mobs and the first one to die gave you another one? and Everyone killed Urh for Haste, and nobody invited Warlocks because they would try to kill on of the others
covert flower
having to have like ashen/combust/convoke type cds up for it and it taking a minute to kill definitely sucked but
you did get a FAT buff from it
chilly brook
That was the three mobs and the first one to die gave you another one? and Every...
Yeah
covert flower
like lust length 40% damage increase or some shit right
40s of 40% more damage or some shit
chilly brook
Yeah you got a huge buff
median tulip
The BfAS4 one (the Pillars) actually seriously changed the routes and how you pulled the dungeon
tribal wharf
fire whoever came up with grevious if they cant re-tool it
wind oak
they should just cook 1 season affix that is fire
covert flower
Fort/Tyrannical feels essential to replay value IMHO
Having trash be fucked one week and bosses the next do make the dungeons feel different to some degree
Whether you feel it or not, or like it or not, they do make sense as affixes
tribal wharf
raging should have a partial damage increase like before
not scary any more
maybe half what the value was
storming doesnt move fast enough or wildly enough to be scary
median tulip
Raging was just "Is your Hunter a mouth-breathing incompetent?"
covert flower
Ha implying you'd have a hunter when rogues exist
tribal wharf
thats presuming you have de-enrager lol
what is that, rogue hunter, druid, probably priest, probably monk
covert flower
Just rogue hunter druid evoker now
tribal wharf
mage
covert flower
I think
tribal wharf
mage can do it also 90 %
covert flower
Can mage?
winged slate
Necrotic was the worst affix ever
tribal wharf
i thought so, they can cleanse all kinds of enemy buffs thats all i know
urban portal
necrotic was too hard
covert flower
Not enraging effects though
median tulip
Some Enrages are also Magic effects and can be Spellstolen or Dispelled
covert flower
Pretty sure it's just the 4 I said
Yeah like if it's magic but
Enraging affix isn't
tribal wharf
i know for sure druid hunter rogue x
covert flower
Evoker too
tribal wharf
ya
median tulip
Anyone remember Skittish?
winged slate
Necrotic was just unfairly punishing against certain classes while doing nothing to others
covert flower
skittish is the threat one right
tribal wharf
Anyone remember Skittish?
skittish was every week with yogi as the tank
median tulip
Yeah. Mobs randomly dropped threat and went to gank the healer
winged slate
Skittish is like what your 9 year old cousin thinks up as an affix
Whaaaa iffff everyone tank?
tribal wharf
i mean, kids have the best ideas and imaginations
winged slate
"No Timmy, that's a dumb idea. Go play with your Legos"
median tulip
Teeming
tribal wharf
if they wanted affixes they could ask bunch of kids what kind of special ablity monster has
winged slate
I still want positive affixes
median tulip
Overflowing
tribal wharf
i do not remember overflowing or any legion specifc ones
median tulip
Overflowing was "Overhealing is converted into a healing absorb"
tribal wharf
explosive can die in a fire
covert flower
Healing absorb you mean
But yeah
If it was converted into a damage absorb that'd be quite fucking good for the player cx
tribal wharf
don't you guys remember how fun it was 8.0 explosive final boss of under rot explosive
10 million explosive orbs
covert flower
Mists 2nd boss explosive on intermission
Good fucking lord
They would spawn in Narnia
tribal wharf
i hated entire second part of mists period
median tulip
There was ALWAYS someone who would fuck up the maze in mists
tribal wharf
i didnt like the boss at all
covert flower
Mists had disgusting boss scaling too
median tulip
The last boss was a dick
tribal wharf
i have never hated a dungeon boss more than that one
median tulip
It wasn't too bad if EVERYONE knew the trick to it
tribal wharf
the final area where you gotta pull knock backs on tiny birdges, that part sucked too
covert flower
I liked running highish tyrannical mists keys because you got to first boss a few mins in and could see whether key is done or not
Was always a swift exodus
median tulip
The first boss was pretty easy
covert flower
Dude IDK my experience with it after a certain key level switched hard
I used to think it was so piss then one day I'm like
Wait a minute... This boss is fucked?
IDK what point it was like that for me maybe something around the 23-24 mark
median tulip
It was a DPS check. If you had to go through multiple intermissions because you lacked the DPS then yeah, it was fucked
covert flower
Like you could actually wipe dude the fears and all that shit and the dmg was so deceiving
Nowhere to fucking stand as melee
median tulip
I was staticed with an AffLock that season. We just used to carry the Afflock to the boss and then watch politely while he hexed them into the ground
tribal wharf
is the deal with lady way crest phase 1 that if she casts the discordant cadenza , and it doesnt get kicked til late or at all, thats when it spawn more of the pink swirls?
median tulip
Aff that season was a total bosskiller, but dogshit on trash
covert flower
And then the swirlies are just a mechanic no?
tribal wharf
some times she puts like, 4 swirls on ground other times 49230
covert flower
Yes because you phase lord waycrest
Into needing another heal
So she cuts it short to heal him
She casts vitality transfer when he drops below a certain %
tribal wharf
oh indeed, good strategy
covert flower
It'll also happen mid swirlies if you phase him as she starts
median tulip
some times she puts like, 4 swirls on ground other times 49230
If your DPS is high enough she never sends out swirlies because she's too busy healing her husband
median tulip
lol
tribal wharf
brb searching r34 lady waycrest (not really)
median tulip
Lots of people just do not understand boss mechanics
crystal mauve
Unpopular opinion: more affixes should have a kiss/curse functionality, so that ...
I think it's a fairly popular option tho, a lot of people I'm talking to would love to be able to play with affixes instead of just endure them
median tulip
Last week I had a 20 where none of the other 4 players knew the burn the bodies mechanic on Gorak Tul
I had to do it while tanking
tribal wharf
"Quickly, burn them before the drust king resurrects them!" "RRRRREEEEEErriseeeeeeee!!"
i mean
crystal mauve
I don't line 20 being the new baseline for vault people feels as if they are better than they are really since the portal is attached to it
median tulip
3, possibly 4 of the bosses in there have abilities that people often just do not know
People standing still on the second witch
tribal wharf
i had that happen once but im fairly sure it turned out i picked it up and didnt see it
median tulip
People (especially healers) standing in Narnia with slimes on them, instead of bringing them to the tank on Raal
waxen frigate
brb searching r34 lady waycrest (not really)
tribal wharf
specifically busty
covert flower
Yeah I'm pretty sure
People don't know tank can't leave the boss on Raal
Like a good amount of people
median tulip
Yep
median tulip
If people are close, them TClap, Rav, TRoar will get them on me. Fine. But I can't leave melee (except when he's doing his cone thing)
tribal wharf
okay you choose wipe on pig is more like you choose not to cc/kill ads
guess we die now to tenderize
median tulip
I had a DK grip the servants to the boss
covert flower
I had a monk RoP soulrend into Yazma
median tulip
Yazma is easier if everyone else just dies and lets me solo it
tribal wharf
you can walk out during any of his cast bar abilities and get a free charge in
covert flower
And I had a hunter explosive trap 3 adds into 1st boss BRH after VDH chains them in
Also that's mine and my friends Yazma strat
tribal wharf
and not trigger the consume all
covert flower
We call it suicide bomber Yazma, the groups goal is just to nuke as much DPS into the boss as they can before they naturally die to being stupid and tank solos the rest
Get there with a good 10 mins or so left to execute the strat
serene gorge
on vengeance they're ignoring me so what should i upgrade the most? i got a 886 character so its dirty cheap
i wonder if a main prot
who also has an vengeance alt could help me out
i guess main hand
but i'm not sure
cuz breastplate just gives soooo much fucking stats
serene gorge
ty
restive scroll
on vengeance they're ignoring me so what should i upgrade the most? i got a 886 ...
Depends on how fast you expect to gear up though.
Meaning i wouldn't craft a weapon if i was about to spam +17-20.
But other than such kinds of thoughts, always main hand as @urban portal said
tribal wharf
ya, hes still like, 20-30 ilvls behind other tanks that are geared up
dusky canopy
486 wep is decent craft at this point in the season you might not get a weapon vault for weeks to come
If the toon will see myth weapon from raid then maybe reconsider
uneven mason
Or a normal fryak drop
dusky canopy
Yes, but the guys talking about vengeance
tribal wharf
pretty sure smith can craft a 486 glaive
tribal wharf
if i complete any more 20s that i havent completed (fort and tyranical count as different) ill upload video
lusty grotto
did you finish brew?
chilly brook
486 wep is decent craft at this point in the season you might not get a weapon v...
doesn't normal fyrakk weppy beat out 489 weppies?
dusky canopy
He’s DH he gets two
dusky canopy
did you finish brew?
Yee, I finished it in like 5 hours total
The homies made the superbloom part a piece of cake I got all 200 in 3 superblooms lmao
restive scroll
That's fair, but if you want to go for global optimization, it takes time to get all of the aspects required for crafts.
If you spam 17s, it doesn't really matter as much what you start crafting
If you have spare aspect, sure crafting whatever is fine.
You fan even craft many 463 if you have gold to spare
tribal wharf
the spaceship game shattered my hopes and dreams once again
restive scroll
I personally find that wasteful on average, but it really depends on what i plan for a given character!
restive scroll
The homies made the superbloom part a piece of cake I got all 200 in 3 superbloo...
Damn, that's a pretty good job!
Took me 10+ superbloom
tribal wharf
nerf space ship game
over powered bullshit
made it through what i consider the hardest section of the game just fine this robot, and then died to collision with terrain
lusty grotto
@restive scroll you have a typo on the front page btw
ascend
not ascent
hows that project going btw?
restive scroll
Oh yeah, someone else reported it to me and i forgot, i keep reading ascend.
Thank you for reminding me:)
lusty grotto
restive scroll
Pretty well, beta should be in a month or something.
I'm not doing enough communication around it, but between all the rest.. it's slow.
Plus i couldn't get to 3k5 still è_é
lusty grotto
glad to hear
restive scroll
Thank you for asking :)
restive scroll
Yes. 3k5 is just an arbitrary idiotic point anyway.
It's not like i'll beat plka :p
Especially by only pugging
lusty grotto
yeah its rough
i know it too well
we have a 4 man and still need to pug a lust spot and it has been hell
cause both mages and/or augs are just 50% absolutely awful
or 50% amazing and any of us fuck up somehow
restive scroll
Yeah, someone once said to me that non meta classes are worth 200rio~
Felt pretty accurate to me
tribal wharf
i tried to run 19 dht
lusty grotto
you can see how its rough defensive wise for those classes
tribal wharf
and we blew up on the first pull to rip
restive scroll
Congratulations @strong forum \o/
tribal wharf
were as we didnt blow up to rip on the 18 :S
strong forum
now i got a baller PC
lusty grotto
gz gz nome!
strong forum
but its fucking bolstering
tribal wharf
soon as rip went out 2 dead adn key depleted itself from shame from there
restive scroll
you can see how its rough defensive wise for those classes
Yeah, sad part is that the rest is just stupidly overpowered
strong forum
elp
restive scroll
At least meta is not as stuck as last season, it's something
tribal wharf
im tempted to not pull bear on 20s now,
restive scroll
so i dont wanna go keys
We're with you nome, i'm waiting to.
Gotta code instead :(
crystal mauve
Fuck this week, I'm a dps until Tuesday I think
tribal wharf
i did it fine on the 18 but i didnt on the 19 i dont get it, maybe it was the healer put a big group DR on us and i did rally
tribal wharf
Fuck this week, I'm a dps until Tuesday I think
thats how i feel about sanguine if i knew how to dps as warrior
restive scroll
thats how i feel about sanguine if i knew how to dps as warrior
That's fair, sanguine is painful
crystal mauve
Sanguine is frustrating when you can move mobs around but you can a least try to play around it, bolstering is just unplayable in higher keys. Things that were almost lethal are now 100% lethal all the time and it sucks
restive scroll
Sanguine is frustrating when you can move mobs around but you can a least try to...
^
crystal mauve
I usually have a ratio of 1-5% sanguine (compared to the overall dps of the group) so it is a time loss but not everyone dies on CD lol
restive scroll
Can't do packs, can't chain
lusty grotto
yeah i kind of agree even after the bolstering changes
restive scroll
Die of boredom
lusty grotto
cause holy fuck it used to be so much worse
restive scroll
Oh yeah
tribal wharf
succesful
lusty grotto
but that still doesnt take away the fact that its an awful affix
tribal wharf
there, i have 2 clips where i suceeded and failed 1 lvl between
lusty grotto
i feel that the only rework done correctly so far has been raging
but also it depends heavily on dungeon trash
tribal wharf
yes but not completely, the mob should do a bit more damage or something additional
lusty grotto
no
tribal wharf
hes angry after all
crystal mauve
i feel that the only rework done correctly so far has been raging
I would agree if more classes could have a soothe (not everyone) but 3 is low
lusty grotto
that's double dipping, we dont need that
right soothe is a problem, but thats why i mentioned mob type
cause if there's outplay for it like straight kicks it feels good
tribal wharf
well, it could be, he deals small %% less than 20%, spells cant be stopped, but he takes 20% more dmg until dies
restive scroll
Yeah. They're definitely still trying to find a better pace for affixes.
Oml come
restive scroll
like fucking knife dances
At least you can los this one
crystal mauve
if its a stop only mob... then youre severely fucked
Yup, I hate affixes that restrict too heavily group comp. It’s already bad to not be a meta class and even worst when you can’t interact with affixes
lusty grotto
yeah as long as there's counter play
tribal wharf
if blizzard ever wants to add troll dungeon into mythic + the one asmon farms for the sword
lusty grotto
it will be fine
restive scroll
Exactly
tribal wharf
the guy at the end
lusty grotto
but there's no counter play for bolstering
tribal wharf
is horrific when he doesnt die in 20 seconds
lusty grotto
class-restricted counter play for sanguine
restive scroll
Unfortunately o'm sure there aren't couterplays for some stop only cast
tribal wharf
and with a pug
lusty grotto
class-restricted counter play for stop-only non kickable mobs on raging
that's kind of the problem
soothe is the counter
like dadou mentioned
restive scroll
soothe is the counter
Having only one mass soothe is an issue though
lusty grotto
yeah
restive scroll
Kinda like massdispel used to be in bursting
(bursting is actually a pretty good affix imo,compared to the others)
tribal wharf
i remember bursting KR was almost a dead key for pugs
lusty grotto
for huge pulls
crystal mauve
Tho a good healer can heal through bursting and you can control when mobs die and not refresh stacks etc so you can technically interact with the affix
tribal wharf
cuz very first pull is 10 mini guys with shield 500k and 1 hp
restive scroll
I think that's mwahi that said that their healer was holding 26 bursting stacks
waxen frigate
Kinda like massdispel used to be in bursting
bursting is not comparable
because bursting is in player control
lusty grotto
nish has a good point
restive scroll
Who cares about about having a couterplay !
tribal wharf
and then bam 9 stacks bursting, wipe released, died to triangle electric stun robots, wipe to first boss, disband key, this is the pug bursting KR way
restive scroll
because bursting is in player control
That's probably why it's an interesting affixe
Although one could argue that bolstering is in player control too by doing small pulls
lusty grotto
hmm kind of
restive scroll
Because of course that works to manage the affix
Works less well if you want to time
lusty grotto
but it affects timers heavily
crystal mauve
I think that's mwahi that said that their healer was holding 26 bursting stacks
Our RShaM saved in in a 22 bursting stack EB pull so it’s doable
tribal wharf
lightning guy right after first boss KR, lady/guy in the same room green ooze trash, stone men
restive scroll
I know i know
tribal wharf
good lord do i ever not miss running that again
restive scroll
Our RShaM saved in in a 22 bursting stack EB pull so it’s doable
Exactly, who needs massdispel/revival(?)
lusty grotto
its doable yeah
its just a huge tax
playing keys is already a huge mental tax
idk
crystal mauve
Although one could argue that bolstering is in player control too by doing small...
The problem is it goes against averything you want to do in a M+ scenario : pull big and chain…
lusty grotto
agreed
sometimes i kind of wish they would go back to kiss curse for affixes
as a way to balance their negatives a bit
crystal mauve
God forbid someone tag a random pack by mistake at the end of a pull and you get a chat set with 5 stacks that juste one shot everyone
lusty grotto
but honestly that just brings up more problems so i kind of understand their reasoning
crystal mauve
What problems does kiss/curse bring?
restive scroll
Yeah, they are still looking for stuff that works better affixe wise
They'll find something at some point :)
restive scroll
The problem is it goes against averything you want to do in a M+ scenario : pull...
I know, i agree with you, just trying to highlight a stupid argument for reasons
tribal wharf
almost sounds stupid but what if its one of those press the button things
restive scroll
(the stupid argument being mine as it was very dishonest :D)
lusty grotto
well for once we will find a way to make the kiss work for us in a weird way that not everyone understands, bringing toxicity and other problems into the fold when its not performed correctly. On higher levels thats usually not a problem but it spills down into lower brackets
tribal wharf
"you deal 5million fire dmg to the boss, but the healer is silenced for 60 seconds"
tribal wharf
teeming was all curse from a yogi perspective
lusty grotto
actually no teeming had no kiss lmao
it was curse all around
cause extra mobs didnt give a huge % addition anyway
crystal mauve
What’s the kiss? lol
tribal wharf
just confused ppl wat routes were even more
crystal mauve
Yeah it was just straight up annoying, there is nothing to do except know the other route for that specific week
lusty grotto
i was just thinking how, on affixes like bursting could just be balanced around giving more count % to trash in general so that small pulls are justified
crystal mauve
i was just thinking how, on affixes like bursting could just be balanced around ...
We shouldn’t try to make terrible affix work, we have the freedom to create new one, they should be open to it
restive scroll
i was just thinking how, on affixes like bursting could just be balanced around ...
That's actually not a half bad idea
Could be something there
lusty grotto
and then for some reason teeming came to mind, but yeah teeming was in no way kiss-cursy
yeah both are fair points
crystal mauve
i was just thinking how, on affixes like bursting could just be balanced around ...
It would be a nightmare for toutes as much as teeming was
lusty grotto
right
restive scroll
Basically reverse teeming.
Evzry trashs has boss health, but it gives more.
(Aka rogue meta)
restive scroll
It would be a nightmare for toutes as much as teeming was
Yeah, but there could be something around the concept
With a bit more thinking, starting from nim statement, they could do something interesting
lusty grotto
i mean to be fair, most of the new affixes have been dogshit
crystal mauve
Yeah, but there could be something around the concept
It would put pressure on the tank to know more routes etc, not ideal (for beginners, I don’t care but I can see how that’s annoying l)
lusty grotto
and heavily comp restricted
restive scroll
It would put pressure on the tank to know more routes etc, not ideal (for beginn...
Kinda already is the case
lusty grotto
talking specifically about afflicted and incorp
restive scroll
and heavily comp restricted
Definitely
crystal mauve
Kinda already is the case
You make it worse if you ask them to learn a new route for one week specifically
restive scroll
isn't that what's already done for bolstering and bursting (in pugs) ?
The point of affixes is to adapt after all
crystal mauve
isn't that what's already done for bolstering and bursting (in pugs) ?
Not exactly, it’s the same pulls but smaller, if you change the count you have to memorize more
lusty grotto
different routes still exist yea, but its not a huge difference between affixes
as it was in
BFA or w/e
restive scroll
Fair enough
crystal mauve
Teeming was a new route all together sometimes
tribal wharf
shrine of storm
crystal mauve
Entangling is a good example of lazy design too. It’s either irrelevant or super bad. Compared to sanguine, everyone can technically help with it and it feels good when you play well the affix. Finishing a key with a really low sanguine healing feels good for example
lusty grotto
yeah entangling is a decent affix
can be counter played
can pose a danger
on certain circumstances but not so much that it will auto kill a key
restive scroll
Individual too*
tribal wharf
yeah, entangling is good balance of everything, easy to indentify what it is and how to handle it, approriate effects if you fail to get out of it that dont nessecarily kill you out right
lusty grotto
warm plinth
I liked shrine personally
crystal mauve
can be counter played
Does it feel good when you play it well tho? I think managing well affixes should feel rewarding and everyone should be able to have some impact on it, making it a group effort
tribal wharf
@lusty grotto
blazing condor
shrine had dog shit gameplay design
tribal wharf
i got a good version for you
restive scroll
I'd like that the timing would be delayed between players though, and maybe a twist like click on a player to make him recover from the stun
lusty grotto
Does it feel good when you play it well tho? I think managing well affixes shoul...
i see what youre saying but that also kinda dips into the kiss/curse thing a bit
crystal mauve
i see what youre saying but that also kinda dips into the kiss/curse thing a bit
Sanguine is just curse and it applies to it perfectly
lusty grotto
yeah but the feels good part in sanguine is just tank based
warm plinth
Kiss curse doesn't make sense unless it's the same all the time
restive scroll
Remember when sanguine weeks were the ones considered easy?
restive scroll
yeah but the feels good part in sanguine is just tank based
Well, bumps too to be fair.
But you definitely feel the difference between a tank that plays around sanguine and one that doesn't
warm plinth
If you have affixes with positive outcomes, then there's still going to be "bad" weeks where you don't have the best one
crystal mauve
yeah but the feels good part in sanguine is just tank based
Try to be a dps or healer and stun a mob before it walks into a sanguine or something, you do feel good about helping the team overall
lusty grotto
ghash has a good point
restive scroll
If you have affixes with positive outcomes, then there's still going to be "bad"...
That's because score is based on every affix.
If it was affix based, that'd "solve" that issue
Like they did by having two layers of score
warm plinth
Sure but then you have to push score every week
restive scroll
That's not perfect, but goes into that kinda of aim
lusty grotto
idk dadou, i just feel like those are not the best examples of a feel good extremely rewarding thing
you have to do it, else you will waste time
restive scroll
Sure but then you have to push score every week
Yeah, just saying that's a solution start.
You'd need at the very least a shorter affix rotation for this to make sense
lusty grotto
its not feels good, its kind of a thing you need to do to mitigate sanguine
restive scroll
And probably way more
crystal mauve
idk dadou, i just feel like those are not the best examples of a feel good extre...
Im just saying, an affix with which you can interact and highlight group play is better overall than an affix that just slap you in the face and against you have nothing to do
lusty grotto
you are right on that one
warm plinth
It seems weird to say it's rewarding to keep a mob out of sanguine but it's not rewarding to not get stunned by entangling
crystal mauve
its not feels good, its kind of a thing you need to do to mitigate sanguine
It is indeed, your problem of the sanguine is to not have them heal, well if you are a dps and have a push back and avoid healing, you did a good job and it feels rewarding to be part of the collective effort. Good player also notice when you make such moves too and it’s satisfying (at least for me both as a dps and tank to help)
crystal mauve
It seems weird to say it's rewarding to keep a mob out of sanguine but it's not ...
I see your point, it’s just that entangling is not an interesting problem to solve I guess - maybe that’s just me
restive scroll
I see your point, it’s just that entangling is not an interesting problem to sol...
Depends where.
There are a few places where it's pretty horrible.
I'm thinking last boss VP.
But that's why i proposed z middle ground earlier, that'd be more interesting and group oriented
Also, as a tank, in some dungeons rotation, we had very tight placements, for which storming/entangling could be ... Rough
blazing condor
sure feels like it at times
its obviously not 142 million
its a pretty nasty debuff the healer gotta mange though
blazing condor
did u get the other one from MDT?
tribal wharf
ya
blazing condor
and you dont have your MDT set to like +40 in difficulty
tribal wharf
+10 apparentlu
blazing condor
then its just borked
tribal wharf
its a shame im not a mathematician and coder
else id go in and fix the numbers in mdt :S
lusty grotto
doesnt really need fixing
warm plinth
Mdt is pretty ass for any sort of mob data beyond force count tbh
pallid quiver
It is, however, very funny to look at.
lusty grotto
well cc -able lists have been pretty spot on this time around
and of course what mobs cast
as far as magnitude/power/dmg totals of the casts go... 🤷
idk why you would use it
when you have logs and details
and scaling is involved (and bolstering in this case)
blazing condor
well cc -able lists have been pretty spot on this time around
Im glad about this
Most of the times that shit has never been correct
round cliff
is last stand for surviving or pre-empting
warm plinth
Uh...both kinda?
round cliff
yea i thought abt it more after asking
also am i supposed to save up shield block when im not active tank cuz sometimes i get like 1 sec of downtime if i just press
uneven mason
also am i supposed to save up shield block when im not active tank cuz sometimes...
keep SB up 100%
it's a DPS boost
and if you're getting downtime you're not high enough haste to drop HR
round cliff
HR?
round cliff
ah
tribal wharf
hopefully that hero system works out well and we get of bunch of bad/not picked talents. in them, rather than in main trrees
hopefully t dubz (some name expansion was given) does good
warm plinth
It's normal to have downtime with ItF, even with the recommended amount of haste.
But it shouldn't be more than a second or two now and then
hardy ridge
lusty grotto
lets goo
you guys wanna see something funny
whats wrong with this breakdown
and also let me preface this by saying
this was on an 18 BRH, where chipadin was chain dying and i was like oh well its a vault key
until my 15th death
i was like, what the fuck is going on
still timed though
(:
lusty grotto
look at his sigil of flame damage
couldnt keep 1 single bit of agro
so i got whacked every gcd i did anything substantial on chipadin
but yeah it was a VDH
median tulip
hopefully that hero system works out well and we get of bunch of bad/not picked ...
They've already decided that the published Priest one is a bad idea and rowed back from it
median tulip
couldnt keep 1 single bit of agro
So you're telling me that the meta classes get FotM rerollers who don't understand how to play the class?
waxen frigate
So you're telling me that the meta classes get FotM rerollers who don't understa...
Impossible
blazing condor
Morn
jagged pier
Meowdy
crystal mauve
Not gonna lie I gave a go at VDH cause my friends bullied me into playing it. So far the mob CC is incredible (a bit too much compared to other) but what I hate is the delay of sigils and eating souls… it feels like I’m lagging and it’s triggering me so hard lol
strong forum
Also don't have a single target stun/stop
Which is quite annoying especially in keys like brh
plush tendon
https://tenor.com/view/hello-top-of-the-morning-top-hat-cat-cheerio-gif-5464334
Meowdy!
crystal mauve
Also don't have a single target stun/stop
Imprison sometimes does the trick but it’s not ideal since it’s restricted
opaque quest
Big fan of steam telling me my download for 30GB is supposed be done in >1Year
opaque quest
Its jumping between 2 minutes and 1 year 
tribal wharf
stop using dial up
uneven mason
Its jumping between 2 minutes and 1 year <:critcake:984549832511344640>
You on fiber?
opaque quest
Famous german internet thats more expensive and slower than that of some third world african country
lusty grotto
though i too have a gig but still
opaque quest
But ye its fiber ofc
Its wild. One of our ex presidents wanted to push internet. If he followed up we would have the fastest interneti n the world after south korea
tribal wharf
i cant decide which of my 2 space ship games is worse, the 2d one or 3d one, terms of difficulty
both games i can turn on and die within 15 seconds
opaque quest
But na he had to build more autobahn
opaque quest
both games i can turn on and die within 15 seconds
Git gud
uneven mason
But ye its fiber ofc
Check the access point outside, someone might have spliced into your line, was having stupid swings like that on my fiber, turns out that the jerk at the end of the block has gotten some Keys to the cable box and spliced himself into our line.
tribal wharf
@opaque quest
i dont wanna hear this "git gud" shit any more 😦 game already fucked me enough times
tribal wharf
i died from full health at the start of the lvl after 3 frames after being hit by that robot
i just know hes talking out his ass lmao
game would do the exact same crap to him if he tried it too
opaque quest
Check the access point outside, someone might have spliced into your line, was h...
Speedtest is fine. Its just a slightly slower day and steam is fucked
I got 930 or so out of 1.1
tribal wharf
i dont mind being told to git gud if its from someone who actually plays the game i play and is verifiably better than i am
salty when they never even heard of it, say git gud
uneven mason
Yeah my speed tests all came back at 1.5 but the DHCP was having a fit because it had 2 IP on that line
uneven mason
salty when they never even heard of it, say git gud
I mean, git gud doesn't require any foreknowledge of the subject, as it's a suggestion that you improve, nothing more
tribal wharf
i learned where i cant fly my ship now when i attempt that again
opaque quest
salty when they never even heard of it, say git gud
Its a side scoller. You act like the game is totally unique and not every second SNES game was THAT
lusty grotto
why do you entertain him
tribal wharf
i think you vastly underestimate just how difficult this game can be
lusty grotto
people talking about something and he comes out with these games nobody gives a shit about in here
opaque quest
why do you entertain him
I have no idea
tribal wharf
well, not always playing protection warrior / wow
opaque quest
The real question is how do i give my Rig priority in the router settings
tribal wharf
i like other games too and theres some games you guys post about that i dont care about at all like say pal world
to me i hear palworld and the conversation immediately goes into the dumpster
lusty grotto
yes but the difference is its not just 1 person playing palworld
lusty grotto
is there anyone else here playing this 2d space shit that yogi posts? serious question
anyone?
tribal wharf
nahhh i never said there was neither
lusty grotto
anyone at all?
tribal wharf
its something i enjoy chipping away at
lusty grotto
okay
lusty grotto
im glad you do yogi
im also glad its probably a fun game, but
nobody here plays it
just you
tribal wharf
im not looking for drama and mods bro
tribal wharf
so im just going to politely refuse rest of this conversation
lusty grotto
at least you stuck with the convo
tribal wharf
if you cant see eye to eye with me on its, its fine, but im not gunna entertain it more
lusty grotto
lol okay
tribal wharf
also im playing it cuz fuck bolstering honestly
not as bad as 8.0/bfa bolster, but still horrific
opaque quest
That convo switch was brutal again
I always get blind sided by them and my brain needs 2 minutes to adjust
lusty grotto
well at least its something we can relate to
tribal wharf
i just cant be bothered to deal with bolster bullshit
lusty grotto
and hes right, bolster IS bullshit
opaque quest
Ya big time. Is it a forti week too?
tribal wharf
ill play again tyranical come tuesday, but not trying hard till then
lusty grotto
yea
lusty grotto
its afk week
crystal mauve
It's cool cause if you bolster enough in EB you can giga reflect some cast 👍 you die to the next one though
opaque quest
Remember forti bolster in Shrine of the Storm where people bolstered the 2 mini bosses between 1 and 2 boss? Wild times lmao
uneven mason
Still better than legion bolstering
opaque quest
It's cool cause if you bolster enough in EB you can giga reflect some cast 👍 y...
Worth it for numba
lusty grotto
It's cool cause if you bolster enough in EB you can giga reflect some cast 👍 y...
true and real
i wish there were more siege mobs
now THAT was a kiss curse
spotter giga bolstered
opaque quest
Still better than legion bolstering
Arcway spider bolster 
lusty grotto
1 shotting your trash
uneven mason
Remember forti bolster in Shrine of the Storm where people bolstered the 2 mini ...
Literally every pull in brh back in legion was risking creating a raidboss
opaque quest
haha ye
uneven mason
Arcway spider bolster <:keks:936231610850897992>
Blobs or rats in arcway
opaque quest
Blobs just making more mini bosses
uneven mason
Oh it split but for THAT ONE because THAT ONE was 1 pixel out of the ae and now it has 4000M hp
opaque quest
Blob: How many raid bosses do you want?
lusty grotto
tribal wharf
i try every day to delete shrine of storm from my brain
fuck that place
they bring it back im canceling sub uninstalling
uneven mason
Shrine of storm during storming
lusty grotto
shrine of the snap was great
tribal wharf
never gain
opaque quest
Shrine is like Ulda and HoI way to ong
tribal wharf
i hate shrine so much
lusty grotto
im with ghash on this one, i liked it
and it would be ezmode this time around cause spell block
opaque quest
3rd boss with people ignoring balls tho
tribal wharf
nope, shrine one of worst dungeons peroid
uneven mason
The first boss
lusty grotto
remember when the neutrals bolstered it?
tribal wharf
almost as bad as plaguefall
uneven mason
3rd boss with people ignoring balls tho
Or when the balls were tyrannical buffed
lusty grotto
xD
tribal wharf
i liked spire outside of that it too way too long
pliant trout
https://i.imgur.com/G9tk7HP.png
last boss fall 27, without adds on top of it
lusty grotto
also when it raged it
pliant trout
B-)
uneven mason
Last boss shrine on tyrannical was legit one of the hardest encounters
opaque quest
Na, it just took forever
uneven mason
Because those things just had so much hp
opaque quest
Healer just didnt dispell. Problem solved
uneven mason
Yeah and the tentacles could 1 shot
opaque quest
Just dodge tbf
lusty grotto
lmao
im telling you most people have gotten better
but yeah it suffered from add boss scaling
heavily
uneven mason
Just dodge tbf
You grossly overestimate the average ability of a pug backnthen
opaque quest
You grossly overestimate the average ability of a pug backnthen
Yea But i played Rsham in BFA so i had it easy
They shouldve made the effect more vis tho
uneven mason
Like we bitch about pugs now, but things are an order of magnitude better in DF for pugging than bfa
tribal wharf
the worst part of shrine was squid hat boss
really showed the winners of the group with the big brains
uneven mason
the worst part of shrine was squid hat boss
Yes, 3rd boss with the mc balls
pliant trout
Last boss shrine on tyrannical was legit one of the hardest encounters
yea it was cancer/uncomfortable to play
tribal wharf
it was more that getting to that boss was hard than the boss itself
uneven mason
Because I can't wait to relive that place on tyrannical
opaque quest
Although let's all hope to see KR
No thank you im done with ppl dying to 3rd boss
uneven mason
Or fort
tribal wharf
2nd and 3rd boss were walls if you couldnt mechanics properly you stood no chance of getting to final boss
opaque quest
I also dont wanna see the bleeds again
uneven mason
No thank you im done with ppl dying to 3rd boss
"axe death lotto"
opaque quest
I wouldnt mind it on DK tho because of control undead
uneven mason
Coffin boss
uneven mason
Then fort weeks you had berserkers and zul
tribal wharf
final boss only part thats hard is dont stand in the line of 3 purple circle from tentacle slam, and kick the heal very late cuz it goes for 10 thousand year cast
boss himself iisnt even close to scary, giant void zone in the room,
it was always the tentacle slams that people stood in that killed anyone
covert flower
the only boss I ever remember really fearing
was tyrannical spires of ascension 2nd boss pre-nerf
where the black circle zones didn't disappear after each phase
and it was legit scaling bullet hell
tribal wharf
axe bitch from kings rest when tyranical and not the first of trio
meaning your lust isnt on her, so she lasts longer and hits everyone with axes, causing panic
great, fantastic
uneven mason
Your lust is a l w a y s, used on her
waxen frigate
where the black circle zones didn't disappear after each phase
Holy shit I forgot about that lol
That boss was such an underrated key bricker
Especially because the trash leading up to her was also extremely hard
tribal wharf
fuck spires honestly for how long it is is and the weird taxi shit going on
covert flower
that stair pack
tribal wharf
good for a casual untimed run
opaque quest
Inspiring was the shittiest affix holy fuck
tribal wharf
did they remove inspiring, i cant recall
covert flower
yes
lusty grotto
and all his runs fit with the details screenshots he posts here
tribal wharf
what was inspiring and why did it get removed
i played all of shadowlands but i honestly forget from memory that part
covert flower
one mob gave cc immunity to all the other mobs
in the pack
and it included kicks
you could NOT kick inspired mobs
tribal wharf
and it only lasted until dragon flight where it got made into raging? neutering raging's scariness?
hazy bronze
It was a replicated version of s3 bfa affix 🙂
tribal wharf
i have something witty to say about this guy but i cant come up with one
winged slate
Wait this logic doesn't even make sense
lusty grotto
Wait this logic doesn't even make sense
you wanna see the full convo?
hes also GM of Team solo mid lmao
winged slate
"It's boring pressing the same button over and over for 5 minutes... so I made it so that I literally press 1 button for 5 minutes"
tribal wharf
i guess thats ow2? i wouldnt really know i played like 3 times
winged slate
Like if you fundamentally hate the game then cheating won't make it fun for you
opaque quest
i guess thats ow2? i wouldnt really know i played like 3 times
Ye it is
warm plinth
you wanna see the full convo?
What the fuck
tribal wharf
i figured it was some orc transmog but like shit, that ow2 game looks damn good
opaque quest
TIme to mass report i guess kekW
lusty grotto
ive been saying it
tribal wharf
they cant make money/interest off it because... why???
lusty grotto
hes EU so, good luck with that
winged slate
Well here's the other question
If you got away with murder, would you tell people that you did?
winged slate
Like just keep your fuckin mouth shut lol
opaque quest
I mean just get the picture to blizz and tell them to monitor the account
lusty grotto
warm plinth
I feel like it's a matter of time he catches a ban anyway
tribal wharf
it wasnt me this time
opaque quest
But cant do that when you fire all support staff
tribal wharf
for when the mods arive
opaque quest
I feel like it's a matter of time he catches a ban anyway
No. I botted all throughout MoP and WoD and was only caught because im an idiot that did it in ashran
lusty grotto
no other warrior has a timed 27 fall except him
in the world
at that specific time
opaque quest
I only botted LFR and open world tho. No real shit
warm plinth
Also wtf does without adds on top of it mean? How do you not have adds on top of a boss whose hitbox is damn near the entire room
tribal wharf
no other warrior or protection warrior
lusty grotto
feel free to look at his messages and match up dates with his runs
he has plenty of details screenshots
and i mean
plenty
so please if this guy is giving "advice" here
remind people reading his shit
that hes a combat botter
opaque quest
Dunno why hes in here tbh
winged slate
I thought the only peope who hung out in class discords were people who enjoyed the game
Weirdge
jagged pier
lul
opaque quest
Is there no specific discord for pieces of shit?
jagged pier
imagine enjoying the game
opaque quest
imagine enjoying the game
kekW noobs
jagged pier
most ppl in here dont even play
winged slate
Is there no specific discord for pieces of shit?
I don't know if they send out invites to them en masse
tribal wharf
imagine enjoying anything
uneven mason
I thought the only peope who hung out in class discords were people who enjoyed ...
Have you met Jakey?
opaque quest
most ppl in here dont even play
I will be back next season stop personaly atacking me jakey poops
tribal wharf
i just want to be an insufferable turd who constantly hates everyone and everything
lusty grotto
tribal wharf
discord dont like a-hole word
lusty grotto
heres the rest of it, in case he grows another brain cell
uneven mason
jagged pier
I will be back next season stop personaly atacking me jakey poops
general statement a lot of ppl that talk in here dont actually play the game or used to not play the game for long periods while still being in here
winged slate
Discord doesn't care what you say, servers jam a bunch of automod stuff in
tribal wharf
clearly thats my motif guys
warm plinth
It's just words on the automod commonly flagged words list
tribal wharf
incase anyone wasnt 100% sure, there it is dude, for real, totally real, yup
opaque quest
general statement a lot of ppl that talk in here dont actually play the game or ...
Ye just making a joke
opaque quest
Discord doesn't care what you say, servers jam a bunch of automod stuff in
Gotta teach the bot to learn context
opaque quest
Ye
lusty grotto
are title rankers gonna be mad about this?
waxen frigate
general statement a lot of ppl that talk in here dont actually play the game or ...
Wdym I thought everyone in here was a 4K io warrior god
Just me?
jagged pier
when will nimchip get a trinket
jagged pier
Wdym I thought everyone in here was a 4K io warrior god
i mean your 4k io and have lego u big boi
lusty grotto
nish is what i aspire to be every morning
tribal wharf
suffering from success
opaque quest
Nish has infinite power because he consumes toes
still ahve to log in
opaque quest
lusty grotto
yeah but
jagged pier
rooach its like a 500 pull boss
lusty grotto
300 is still a fuckload of pulls
jagged pier
its just boring for tanks
tribal wharf
30 pulls sure, 300, nah not a damn chance in hell
jagged pier
cause its the same mechanics as normal
opaque quest
rooach its like a 500 pull boss
I mean yes and no. It was in the beginning
jagged pier
tribal wharf
nope, fuck that im out after 50 attempts probably quit for rest of patch lmao
jagged pier
I mean yes and no. It was in the beginning
nah it still is now, the skill diff of guilds now and top guild are huge
tribal wharf
developed ptsd from it
jagged pier
the fight is as hard for the lower guild as it was for the top guild even with the nerfs
so it works out around the same
warm plinth
@waxen frigate hasn't keyed with me in ages 😭
warm plinth
the fight is as hard for the lower guild as it was for the top guild even with t...
It's not hard for toadcop
waxen frigate
I mean yes and no. It was in the beginning
It is again because the guilds still on it aren’t nearly as good
lusty grotto
the guild im in, basically said we arent gonna extend lockouts unless if we hit Tswift
we're at smoldy
opaque quest
Ye fair
lusty grotto
im kinda glad they said that cause it looks like hell
waxen frigate
Nerfs need to be done progressively
It’s simply how the game works
Lower rank you go, the worse the guilds tend to be
Obviously schedule can also factor in
winged slate
Wdym I thought everyone in here was a 4K io warrior god
I think the sum of my characters is probably around 4k
waxen frigate
5% every few weeks
Will do nothing
winged slate
waxen frigate
You can’t relate it to ICC
opaque quest
Yea new stuff is brutal compared to old raids but a 40% nerf is alot
waxen frigate
It’s not a numbers check it’s a multiple mechanics that will one shot you if any are failed check
blazing condor
Try doing spine of deathwing on lfg
opaque quest
HC was easier kek
tribal wharf
been there done that
opaque quest
I fell victim to Fomo
Blizz got the better of me
I paid 10 bucks for the battlepass
Just end me now
lusty grotto
how could you do this
lusty grotto
well
if its anything like
other games' battlepasses
you can keep buying the following ones
for free
opaque quest
Eh for 10 bucks it really isnt to bad. Just sucks you dont make any credits back
lusty grotto
if you do a couple of goals from it
opaque quest
you can keep buying the following ones
No its blizz kekw
lusty grotto
well warzone
you can do it in
and battlefield
i paid 5 bucks for warzone 2's and can premium the rest
for free
same with BF
but it only works if you do a bunch of the goals that give you the currency shit
opaque quest
I never had a problem with Bpasses that give you enough currency to buy the next ones
But Blizz fucked it up in D4 and OW2
opaque quest
Ya CoD has better monetization than blizz titles 
waxen frigate
you can do it in
It takes a shit load of gameplay
lusty grotto
well not BF
waxen frigate
To be able to do that
lusty grotto
but i cant remember warzone's
waxen frigate
Well nobody plays BF2042
lusty grotto
i do
waxen frigate
But usually I’d get about 400-600 cod points from my passes
opaque quest
i do <:sadge:820202363359854633>
waxen frigate
And it’s 1000 or 1100 to get the next one
lusty grotto
either way its always a good idea for companies to do it cause people keep playing
lusty grotto
and if people keep playing, servers and lobbies arent empty
lusty grotto
i guess they adjusted it cause it didnt feel like a lot of playtime
waxen frigate
Find the premium currency in game and get it from free battle pass
lusty grotto
dota2's are also like that
lusty grotto
yeah that sounds better in every way
waxen frigate
Yeah it’s great
Helldivers is peak
Server issues are rough but they’ve had insanely good transparency and accountability since launch
lusty grotto
makes me wish i wasnt burned out on looter shooters
waxen frigate
Consistently working on servers
lusty grotto
i just cant do it anymore
waxen frigate
makes me wish i wasnt burned out on looter shooters
It’s not really a looter shooter
opaque quest
Also Helldivers had no chance with that many players jut like Palworld
waxen frigate
Also Helldivers had no chance with that many players jut like Palworld
First game had 12k concurrent peak
opaque quest
I also cant play looter shooters anymore. Destiny2 killed it for me
opaque quest
First game had 12k concurrent peak
Yea lol
waxen frigate
As of today the new server capacity is up to 700k, ceo says he doesn’t expect it will be enough but he hopes it will help for the weekend
opaque quest
Making a good game goes a long way these days
waxen frigate
Ya
opaque quest
Skull and Bones could give away some servers they dont need them anyways
waxen frigate
The fact HD2 hasn’t remotely slowed down despite being near-unplayable at times for over a week
Is insane
opaque quest
I asked a friend if he wants to play HD or LE with me. He said na he bought Skull and Bones
waxen frigate
And goes to show how fucking good it is once you get online
waxen frigate
I asked a friend if he wants to play HD or LE with me. He said na he bought Skul...
Oof lmao
I’ve gotten 2 friend groups to get helldivers
Everyone has loved it
opaque quest
Ye im gonna get him but he also defended D4 so his taste is ass anyways
waxen frigate
I really think you should give it a go. It’s not a looter shooter
lusty grotto
maybe in a bit, but with Rebirth coming out next week my time is gonna be sparse
waxen frigate
The only thing you “loot” is small amounts of extra money and other currency
opaque quest
Wait is HD2 a looter shooter?
waxen frigate
makes me wish i wasnt burned out on looter shooters
I’m saying this is not a good reason because it isn’t a looter shooter
And I think he was misunderstanding the concept of the game
It’s super good for casual play
Has drop-in drop-out co-op
40min is the max mission duration
lusty grotto
yeah the way my friends were talking about it
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No gear score or anything just unlocking different abilities and having 4 equipped at a time
waxen frigate
Nah not at all
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"you can get some P2W loot" and shit like that
???
opaque quest
Na you just unlock more guns like Battlefield
waxen frigate
Are they stupid
lusty grotto
which was stupid in itself cause it has no multiplayer
i.e. pc vs pc
just coop, right?
lusty grotto
like who cares if there's p2w loot to kill hordes lol
waxen frigate
like who cares if there's p2w loot to kill hordes lol
But there also isn’t lmao
There’s the premium battle pass you unlock with currency you can get in game
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It doesn’t actually give you anything notable that’s unique
lusty grotto
im not surprised its bs
opaque quest
KF3 is also on the horizon
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Best weapons are from the default free battle pass, which you can’t buy to progress
opaque quest
Lots of good horde shooters