protection

[opaque quest]

Its on gamepass

[tribal wharf]

aint got that either

can play xbox live on silver

[opaque quest]

Why the hell do you not have gamepass

10 bucks just to play palworld is wild

Also test month

[tribal wharf]

https://www.zoom-platform.com/product/the-fortress-of-dr-radiaki

get this game instead

[opaque quest]

First ill get elden ring

Then last epocgh

Then helldivers

Then BG3

Then CP PL

[waxen frigate]

Don’t abbreviate it like that

[opaque quest]

wdym

[waxen frigate]

How you gonna spell out helldivers and not cyberpunk

[opaque quest]

Cause CP doesnt deserve it

And if i say HD nobody has a clue what i mean

[tribal wharf]

i just call it 2077

[opaque quest]

Im gonna play Cyberpunk 2077s downloadable content pack Phantom Liberty

There you go nim

ily

[waxen frigate]

Just think about it

[lusty grotto]

what

what am i getting

[tribal wharf]

some things never change

[lusty grotto]

oh lol palworld

im honestly just doing a couple more things and then ill set it down for a while until more content comes up

next week is FF7 Rebirth anyway

[tribal wharf]

hes not right about trash mobs are too hard, thats bs, tyranical fort makes it so both bosses and trash are rough

[opaque quest]

I thought thats what i did but you came and ruined it chipi boi

[lusty grotto]

[tribal wharf]

key dpeletes, yes, but whatever, git gudder or soemthin

[grand veldt]

Nah trash packs cast way too fucking often

[opaque quest]

There is a reason VDH is so far ahead of the rest

[grand veldt]

Even AD has this shit going on, wildfires constantly cast

[opaque quest]

And this one is it lol

[grand veldt]

Mending heals

Then the actual bonus kicks come out after half the stops have been drained

Mantle and fiery

Meanwhile jugs are doing a charge that could be stopped buy there's so many casts going on

[lusty grotto]

thats why i always say i have bwonsamdi's

[grand veldt]

You can't waste a stop on it

[lusty grotto]

and i assign a caster for brand

and tell everyone else just fucking kick augur whenever

[grand veldt]

Yeah I'm not saying it's impossible I'm just saying it's an uphill battle for anyone who doesn't already love m+

[lusty grotto]

like its fine if that nerd casts the first heal anyway

AD is pretty chill in that regard

but

youre right

the dungeon pool this season

[grand veldt]

Like the VP adds, the ToT adds, everything casts way too much

[lusty grotto]

has way too fucking many casts and kicks required

[grand veldt]

I feel like it wasn't much better in s2

Hoi first area was ludicous

[lusty grotto]

there was a couple

[grand veldt]

And uldaman was so obnoxious

[lusty grotto]

but there's too many this season its like they doubled down

[grand veldt]

Yeah completely agree

[lusty grotto]

and its always in reworks of older dungeons

[grand veldt]

I hope this philosophy changes or the affixes get reworked

Something has to give

[lusty grotto]

yea

but heres the thing

now people are perma trained for that number of kicks

so as soon as you release a season with 2 kicks per dungeon everyone's gonna feel its way too easy

cause everyone got better

[grand veldt]

I think it's the opposite atm

[lusty grotto]

its fucking insane the way it is atm though

[grand veldt]

Everyone is relying on vdh and boomkin

[lusty grotto]

hmmm fair point

[grand veldt]

People are getting used to not kicking for 20+ seconds

[lusty grotto]

thats something i hadn't considered

[grand veldt]

I think the moment this meta ends its gonna be a reckoning

[lusty grotto]

and you do see it

as a warrior

you right though

dps has been spoiled hard by sigils and avenger's

and beam

so yeah

[grand veldt]

Yeah its grosssss

[lusty grotto]

thats a very good point

[true oxide]

Finally downed Smolderon after 432 wipes 🫠

[lusty grotto]

congrats!!!

now for the real fight

im joking, seriously grats

[true oxide]

Thanks! 😄

[opaque quest]

Why dont you dispell me heal? Me with 14 dispells on 1 pack

[grand veldt]

Lol

Sorry it's afflicted week teehee XD rawr

[lusty grotto]

lol

[tribal wharf]

video is out but its only in 360/720p 1 hr for 1080, i would wait the 1 hr, u wont be able to make out shit in the video

ill link when its fully finished, is public along with the tyranical 20 wcm i ran

[royal venture]

which season set transmog did warrior vote for?

[lusty grotto]

s2

[tribal wharf]

we can vote for transmog?

[lusty grotto]

votes have been over

for a month and a half

[tribal wharf]

i think he means set bonuses

[lusty grotto]

he said transmog

[tribal wharf]

unless this is a dinar thing

[royal venture]

no, mog

[royal venture]

thankyou

[tribal wharf]

i never heard about set transmog, or some farmable set i wonder

[lusty grotto]

uhh

[opaque quest]

Its the normal tier set. We can choose a transmogg AND a tier bonus

Mix and match

[lusty grotto]

were you living under a rock when all of us changed our nicknames?

[opaque quest]

VOTE S3

[lusty grotto]

people voted for appearances, and then set bonuses for each spec

s2 won for appearance

[opaque quest]

Im shocked VOTI didnt win for everything

Cause VOTI sets are insanely cool

[uneven trench]

what bonus won I forgot

[lusty grotto]

s3 for our set, s3 for fury set, s1 for arms (which is fucking gross but oh well)

[opaque quest]

Pretty sure i got every HC voti set just bc they are poggers

[lusty grotto]

the only good set bonus won

and that's all there is to it

[uneven trench]

I wish S2 fury would've won

[tribal wharf]

i cant remember if season 2 set was good or not

[lusty grotto]

yeah s2 fury is a tragedy

not winning i mean

[tribal wharf]

main thing i want is the yelow s1 dk helment pvp i think it is

[lusty grotto]

but the real fucking tragedy is s1 bonus for arms again

fucking cleave heads

[tribal wharf]

thats only mog i want

[lusty grotto]

so gross, idk why that happened

[sick sentinel]

It did win did it not?

[lusty grotto]

s3 won for fury

[sick sentinel]

Where are you seeing this

[opaque quest]

Good

Fuck using Raging Blow 10 times in a row

[sick sentinel]

Cause im 99% sure s2 won

[lusty grotto]

holy christ how are people finding out

this now

[sick sentinel]

Link pls

[opaque quest]

Google is dead

And Enginear killed it

[lusty grotto]

oh wait

no you right

s2 won

[opaque quest]

K no fury for me then in S4

[lusty grotto]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/season-4-tier-set-bonuses-and-transmogs-voting-concluded-337144#warrior

[lusty grotto]

s2 fury won, sorry

[sick sentinel]

Told you

[lusty grotto]

idk why i thought it was s3

[uneven trench]

AYO? WE FUCKIN BALL, BOYS.

[sick sentinel]

S2 fury is ass

I say in the prot channel

[lusty grotto]

both s2 and s3 are cool on their own right

im okay with any of them i guess

what im not okay with, once again

is ARMS FUCKING SEASON 1

AND CLEAVING

[opaque quest]

S2 Fury is mega ass

Bloodthirst just completely replaced

[lusty grotto]

absolutely garbanzo beans set bonus

jesus fuck

its almost like it was voted in for pvp

[sick sentinel]

Itll scale better than all tho

[lusty grotto]

the play style is ass

[opaque quest]

Ye CHC will be big with all the vers we get

[sick sentinel]

Playstyle hasnt changed at all

[lusty grotto]

?

[uneven trench]

naw it's there as filler lol

[opaque quest]

Ye but with S2 you never use it unless you got stacks with all the rb resets

[lusty grotto]

id rather mash SD procs

than cleave

shit

[urban portal]

arms season 2 was worse than season 1

[lusty grotto]

id rather do s2 set

than cleave

[urban portal]

but yeah s3 is the most engaging

season 1 simmed the best though

and thats what ppl voted for

[uneven trench]

Arms in general has felt like shit the entire xpac in all content other than PvP. Change my mind.

[lusty grotto]

i mean youre not wrong

and at least s2 had the saving grace of IP

which will not be present in fated

so

either way pressing cleave feels bad

and/or talenting it

[uneven trench]

I'll give you one guess as to what Arms ability that I think is the fuckin worst.

[lusty grotto]

yeah but we dont play it

i mean idk about keys

but i havent touched spin-to-win in a big while

[uneven trench]

In keys there are two builds for arms. One with bladestorm and one that spams whirlwind. WW build is MUCH better. Both still suck tho.

[karmic plinth]

jugg build kinda fun kinda funky

[uneven trench]

Honestly I'm breaking up w warrior next xpac we've had a good run but Prot feels spammy and boring, fury feels spammy and boring, and arms feels disjointed and clunky.

[lusty grotto]

i like current arms in raid

but it does feel disjointed and clunky

i have no opinion on fury cause i havent played it a lot

and prot hasnt really changed

so i disagree with that one

if anything i feel SB management is too easy

[uneven trench]

Prot warrior is the most boring tank to play. Build rage, shield block, spam ignore pain. Oh you aren't taking much damage? then spam revenge instead of IP.

[lusty grotto]

thats about it

you dont spam IP wtdf

[lusty grotto]

are you trolling?

youre in prot channel

[uneven trench]

Not trolling I just don't enjoy prot. I've been tanking keys this season and it's just so meh.

[lusty grotto]

youre also playing it completely wrong

[uneven trench]

well i'm timing 25s so can't be too wrong

[lusty grotto]

nothing in that statement is anywhere near true

so what

yogi is doing 20s, doesnt mean shit

[uneven trench]

I'm js it doesn't feel fun to play

[lusty grotto]

youre playing it wrong

[uneven trench]

elaborate

[lusty grotto]

it wont get any more fun

but youre playing it wrong

you dont fucking spam revenge

you never spammed IP

2 statements completely wrong

you barely revenge with haste levels this tier

out of the 3 big abilities it should be dead fucking last

[uneven trench]

my brother in christ relax i'm just saying it's simple I know you use shield slam and TC. I just didn't feel like writing a fuckin pwar thesis.

no need to be so intense over this lmfao

[lusty grotto]

stop saying stuff in here like that then, cause its completely wrong

misinformation all in all

lurkers this is not how you play prot at all

far from it

[uneven trench]

Saying something is boring and simple isn't misinformation.

[lusty grotto]

thats not what im addressing

[uneven trench]

It honestly feels like you play prot and me saying your spec is lame hurt your feelies

[lusty grotto]

i mean

you did say

apparently you didnt play s2 bear

or bear in general

[uneven trench]

Nah I hate druid

[lusty grotto]

youre just talking out of your ass

stop backpedalling

[blazing condor]

brother in here catching strays lol

[lusty grotto]

well he thinks he knows what hes talking about by saying he does 25 lol

[untold mural]

I started prot last week and I love it

[lusty grotto]

when he literally vomited all over prot chat

[blazing condor]

different strokes

[lusty grotto]

with garbage

[untold mural]

I think the simplicity allows to get creative in other ways, idk. I have no complaints and has been fun to build confidence yeeting myself into large pulls

[lusty grotto]

lmao

i gotta revive the prot channel hall of fame honestly

[uneven trench]

This holier than thou defender of the prot warror discord thing you have going on is kinda weird brother. I just don't like the spec. It is spammy and not very fun to me. And you have no idea what speaking in hyperbole means.

Of course it has more than 3 buttons.

I'm just not writing a fuckin guide in here.

[lusty grotto]

this is far from a hyperbole

[uneven trench]

Post the screenshot a 4th time I didn't see it the first 3 times

[uneven trench]

one more

[uneven trench]

lmao now if I say jump how high you gonna go? fuckin weirdo butthurt that I called his spec lame

[lusty grotto]

i like how you keep falling back with me having an issue with your spec opinion

when thats not it at all

and ive explained it like 3 times

its that you literally listed 3 things that are false

next time just stop at "i dont like it"

but dont go into detail about how NOT to fucking play the spec

cause all it does is just spread misinformation all over and let us know that you have absolutely no idea what youre talking about

[uneven trench]

okay sorry I'll do this:

Guys I think prot is boring because https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/rotation-cooldowns-pve-tank

Better?

[blazing condor]

[lusty grotto]

excellent

[opaque quest]

Guide was written by Llarold :/

Where nome

[lusty grotto]

im sure he'll revise it when hes announced

[opaque quest]

yeah yeah i know it takes time for formalities

[lusty grotto]

its official here, but they usually do the thing in wowhead

[blazing condor]

they took llarold out back and shot him

[tribal wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVP9o__q2fI&feature=youtu.be

1440p native recorded in 1080p

if you think it looks weird

in wihch case, you have good eyes

[pallid quiver]

oh when did nome become wowhead prot war guide writer

[lusty grotto]

ask Ghash

he spilled it

🙂

[pallid quiver]

i actually double checked it by checking Nome's profile

[karmic plinth]

well deserved

[pallid quiver]

it's in his discord blurb now

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

[opaque quest]

Llarold didnt get shot. It was suicide

But it was a loud suicide so its dope af

[lusty grotto]

[tribal wharf]

i honestly didnt see whatever article he posted

[blazing condor]

me neither

[lusty grotto]

i didnt either

[uneven trench]

Also just gonna set this down here.

[lusty grotto]

but apparently it was a spicy one

[blazing condor]

but the tldr was "a look back on pwarr is: we arent paladins"

[tribal wharf]

like racist or just reee or something like that?

[blazing condor]

not racist

just ree

[opaque quest]

Lots of reeee

[lusty grotto]

congrats you posted the wowhead guide, which is written by someone that isnt a mod in skyhold

[tribal wharf]

oh well, pwarr wins in my heart anyways

[opaque quest]

Ya Pwarr is life. My first char in 2005 was Pwarr too

[tribal wharf]

i included the part at the start of key for a reason this time

[uneven trench]

oh i'm sorry for disrespecting the esteemed discord mods please don't fuck my wife

[opaque quest]

Or rather arms but with a shield

[tribal wharf]

almost didnt get into the key

[lusty grotto]

the fact that youre still going around this whole topic cause you cant take being called out by quoting wowhead of all places, speaks volumes

[opaque quest]

Is she hot tho? Need to weigh the options first

[tribal wharf]

cuz i went to zone in and it dc'd me and i got rmoved in that time

[opaque quest]

Cause i got one too and if its not worth i wont break my marriage over it

[tribal wharf]

could have been replaced by another tank and we didnt timed it!

[pallid quiver]

More accurately, it's written by someone who doesn't write that guide anymore

[pallid quiver]

It was

Really not written in good faith

[opaque quest]

Im curious. Lets see Blizz pushes an important hotfix today that completely overthrows Prot Warr. What happens to the WoWhead guide?

Does Nome get to go to work faster cause WoWhead goes into panic mode?

[pallid quiver]

the one warlock one iirc that's like two paragraphs was a better one, since it at least stated pure facts

[lusty grotto]

also that statement is completely wrong, cause we dont even cast it when its free

[tribal wharf]

huge copium i think

that thinking blizzard will do anything regarding pwar

[opaque quest]

They will nerf it again like everybody says except that we werent nerfed since P1 kekw

[tribal wharf]

im not sure what u mean precisely by that wording

[karmic stream]

Does prot warr need a buff? I kinda struggle around 25-26 range

[opaque quest]

People come in here all the time and complain about Prot is always nerfed. But we werent nerfed in 10 months

[blazing condor]

what do you struggle with?

[opaque quest]

No. Pika does 29s and 30s

Probably skill issue. If you got a log we can look at it

[tribal wharf]

i don't think pwar needs much changes

[blazing condor]

pwarr is fine rn

[opaque quest]

Agree

[pallid quiver]

You need a better group/routing/play; you shouldn't really have much struggle personally surviving if you're dying

[opaque quest]

IF we make changes give me necro banner

[tribal wharf]

change the warrior tree left side for pwar and we are fine

[uneven trench]

Then instead of freaking out like an ape. Say "hey man that guide is kinda wack you should do this instead". Or "Hey that's not right we should be doing this". Instead of being a weirdo and acting like I've offended the almighty warrior discord.

[lusty grotto]

im not a mindreader

[pallid quiver]

You may need to actually play in comparison to lower keys, as well as start coordinating, but

[lusty grotto]

when you state this though

[tribal wharf]

too much bloat around int shout and beserker/brewakbubble throw

[lusty grotto]

are you ready?

[tribal wharf]

but thats coming as pwar main right

[lusty grotto]

are you ready?

[pallid quiver]

could you two block each other so you stop yelling at each other and filling the chat with dump

[lusty grotto]

ok ready or not here it comes

[tribal wharf]

so maybe is good for fury raid, i dunno

[opaque quest]

@lusty grotto hope youre proud

[lusty grotto]

[blazing condor]

clear ur disc notifications

[tribal wharf]

wtf can you DEFLECT in wcm witches trio boss?

[opaque quest]

No. Im to lazy

[karmic stream]

I feel like other tanks deal more damage tbh, esp vengance/paladin

[tribal wharf]

i saw specifically deflect appear

[warm plinth]

Appear where

[pallid quiver]

Deflect shouldn't be a wording used at all in an official game capacity; it's a community term

[tribal wharf]

over my health unit guy thing

[true oxide]

Because they do, except for brewmaster, maybe? It's close either way.

[tribal wharf]

the one in middle of me

maybe it was mc shit i dunno

[uneven trench]

u right sorry lol

[pallid quiver]

We trend from average damage to lowest damage among tanks played at equal level, but it's usually not a deciding factor with how much the damage difference is and how damage profiles can play out

[blazing condor]

according to archon (take with a grain of salt) this is how ppl who played tanks would damage last week

[pallid quiver]

No worries, sometimes it's easy to just get flustered until someone brings you back. I didn't really mind the fit until people started asking actual questions to answer.

[blazing condor]

but this doesnt ACTUALLY show the dps specs can do

just what ppl who played would do

[lusty grotto]

im surprised archon is actually

[opaque quest]

None of us does 32s or with their team

[lusty grotto]

fairly accurate

[opaque quest]

I mean its from logs. Im sure archon can read logs

[lusty grotto]

32s are rank 1 keys

yeah but

what i mean its aggregating what it should be

[true oxide]

Oh, I wasn't even considering keys, tbh. I was just thinking about the statistics on warcraftlogs for this raid, my bad! 😅

[lusty grotto]

not some random global shit

[uneven trench]

Yeah just annoyed me. Dude didn't say "hey you may misunderstand the class a bit" he went straight to "Are you trolling" and trying to chastise me for posting my opinion here. Got irritated for a sec.

[pallid quiver]

This is the notable part, since more of the people who are capable of pushing less popular tank DPS (currently Prot War) are generally not playing the class in comparison, either due to playing more meta tanks or just not feeling the urge to play (Nome finding current Prot War boring compared to Arms)

[lusty grotto]

holy christ

[blazing condor]

you can also see from teh entire picture that we're 0.8% popularity

for 26-32 keys

so its a small sample size

[opaque quest]

Holy shit DK isnt last in pop. At least one specc isnt complete ass lol

[tribal wharf]

12:11 on the new vdieo

[blazing condor]

if warrior was super meta with 60k parses like VDH you'd probably see a higher dps

[lusty grotto]

leggos dude

[lusty grotto]

and yeah doggy is right

[opaque quest]

Its wild tho how fast ppl transition to FOTM these days

[karmic stream]

yes its small sample but also means best of the best prot warss still have lowest dps, compared to more average dh tank

[lusty grotto]

gearing is easier than before remember

[opaque quest]

All the best players playing VDH

[lusty grotto]

not saying its a bad thing

[pallid quiver]

The best prot wars are either playing different classes or not playing at all, is my point

[tribal wharf]

no idea what i deflected or how but i saw that up

[opaque quest]

Yea thats what i meant. Its great

[lusty grotto]

VDH's damage is also mostly

easy to apply

sigil of flame, thats it

[pallid quiver]

Players like Jakey, Sense, and Nome aren't even trying to push keys as Prot War; not because it can't do it but

because they just don't wanna

[lusty grotto]

thats pretty much your highest damage

most rank 1s arent playing spirit bomb so and spirit bomb

[opaque quest]

I just wanna spam revenge for 200k dps

[karmic stream]

its just easier with others tho, #feelsbadman

[lusty grotto]

its just sigil of flame damage

well

easier is subjective

[tribal wharf]

as soon as she starts to cast bramble bolt, i get deflect message? wtf lol i dont understand

[karmic stream]

Good thing is i feel like guts playing as prot xd

[blazing condor]

shouldve logged it

was someone MC'd? maybe you deflected something they did

[tribal wharf]

i do have a log of it but i didnt put up

nor do i know if the log is good

[opaque quest]

"Do you have a log so we can see what you deflected" Yes but im scared of you guys trash talking me sweet little bebi poopoo butt

[blazing condor]

maybe he meant if the log was logged properly

[opaque quest]

Possible

[tribal wharf]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/r7L1pkDnhfCaNygw#boss=-2&difficulty=0&type=damage-taken&source=1

just not posted, sually if i dont entirely its due to a software reason

[shut summit]

pretty sure we're 1-2 key levels behind what other tanks can do, easily able to do r1 title keys but actual top keys unlikely

[covert flower]

Isn't there also the fact that

because other tanks are just better there's less people who would be able to do those keys actually on pwarr too

like if you put rank 1 key runners on pwarr and made them run they'd probably figure it out no?

maybe not, but that's a variable for sure

[strong forum]

I think I did pretty well

[shut summit]

ya plays a factor, still think you'd be hard pressed to do some of the pulls needed in those top keys

[pallid quiver]

I was more talking about DPS at that point

[strong forum]

It is still factual that we are one of the lowest dps tanks

Representation or not

[pallid quiver]

since just from literally nome's log right there, it's possible to do higher than was posted, but is still lower than the others, yeah

[strong forum]

Despite numerous buffs all xpac

[shut summit]

ye our dps is ass

[strong forum]

We're still on the low end

That's just fact

[shut summit]

fairly certain aug hooks are fucked with prot warr tier so it inflates dps too, idk if thats with aug in group

[pallid quiver]

What is shown could be higher, but it still won't match the highest tanks

[strong forum]

Correct

[covert flower]

btw

[pallid quiver]

Oh, also, congrats and my condolences, Nome, I just saw that you're officially new Wowhead Prot War writer

[covert flower]

if you ever feel pwarr is bad

remember rank 1 aff lock is 3400 so

😄

[tribal wharf]

if anyone deserves it he does, he put up with 5 years of yogi bitching

[strong forum]

That's because nobody of the most capable warlocks just isn't pushing on it

[strong forum]

I already have had my first hate comment

[pallid quiver]

why play aff when you can just play another spec

It's not like Aff is a different role from the two other DPS specs

[covert flower]

yeah but that doesn't really feel like the full story

[tribal wharf]

and hes not brain dead is brain haver

[strong forum]

I simply posted a pic on twitter with my updated bio

[covert flower]

there's 3 hunter specs too

and they're all like 3600+

[pallid quiver]

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT

that doesn't surprise me, but it still makes me laugh

[strong forum]

And instantly got a hate comment already

[lusty grotto]

i found your mistake, you posted on twitter

[tribal wharf]

its so nice when ppl in group brain havers instead of not brain havers

[pallid quiver]

wow players chug that haterade all times of day

[waxen frigate]

omw to post another

[covert flower]

there's 3 rogue specs all 3700+

clearly it's not a spec being better than another thing it's just

aff must be that bad

[strong forum]

Aff is bad

Don't get me wrong

But the limit ain't 3.4k

Is all im saying

[pallid quiver]

I think the biggest issue with Aff is it feels bad in M+

[covert flower]

no no I'm not saying it's the limit, but every spec has diehard otps

[pallid quiver]

since you either go poo poo on your AOE or poo poo on ST and it just doesn't feel fun in M+

[covert flower]

rank 1 being 3400 regardless of other spec viability is

like a complete joke dude

[strong forum]

I'm so diehard otp prot that I play arms instead this season cuz tanking is boring

[covert flower]

because there's going to be at least some pretty good players who play specs because that's the spec they like playing

and the best of those is at 3400?

feels crazy

aff hasn't done a 28

[strong forum]

ig

[pallid quiver]

Also, I love how Nome got picked up for Prot War writer,

he's playing arms now

[tribal wharf]

i suck at tank so its still fun to me

clearly im learning though

[lusty grotto]

well he had been playing arms since before he got picked

[strong forum]

Chessmate

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, you have to not play Prot in order to be the Prot Writer

[lusty grotto]

im also playing arms

[pallid quiver]

clearly what it means

[lusty grotto]

in raid

[strong forum]

My best mythic parse is also still as prot

The world is safe

Dw

[pallid quiver]

I don't even play in raid; I just think about booting up WoW, I boot it up,

then i play something else while wow is up in the background until i get kicked for being afk

[lusty grotto]

it is what it is

[strong forum]

It feels good to prove myself again

Maybe I can get r1 council parse on pwar tomorrow

Or top 10

Cuz my current parse is top 11 I think

[lusty grotto]

w8

are you in a guild again

[pallid quiver]

He's been trialing

[lusty grotto]

ahh

[strong forum]

Ya I got yoinked

With an offer I couldn't refuse

[lusty grotto]

ive been dropping uhh some seeds

on my current guild

[tribal wharf]

he can pay for rent AND food now

[lusty grotto]

like "teehee i can tank this if you guys need me to"

[tribal wharf]

i dont blame him

[strong forum]

Oh money hasn't been an issue don't you worry

[pallid quiver]

It's the assassins

He's worried about the assassins

[blazing condor]

nom got secret german millions

[strong forum]

I'm currently all over the place

xdd

[blazing condor]

bro said fuck it we go fury

[tribal wharf]

think of something yogi would do

[strong forum]

Literally

[tribal wharf]

and then do not that

and thats your entire game plan EZ

[strong forum]

Tomorrow I can hopefully turn all of those orange

Except tindral, that one might require more than 5 pulls experience

[pallid quiver]

just apply a little bit of cheat engine, take top 1 parse

ez

[tribal wharf]

if you arent cheating you arent really playing the game

cheating to win

[strong forum]

All it takes is to get PI during execute

[lusty grotto]

i wish i got PIs in mythic

[strong forum]

Same

Didn't get em yet

[blazing condor]

gotta earn them

[pallid quiver]

With money

You have to buy your PIs

[strong forum]

I showed em that I gapped everybody during larodar execute by 20% dps

So maybe

[lusty grotto]

i mean thats usually the case with me on just about every fight

i just didnt think it was that big of a deal

i dont get how your augury does so much dmg

and yet when i parse for wowaudt, its like either a dps loss, or a very very small gain

[blazing condor]

just proc it

[lusty grotto]

so even though it dropped and got scuffed last night i probably wouldnt have gotten it

[strong forum]

Augury is rng as fuck

According to Sims it's a 1.3k dps loss over pips

[lusty grotto]

my sims are either signet + mythic branch for 5 mins or rezan + mythic branch for sub 5

and wowaudit only takes ST 5 min sims

[strong forum]

Mine says mythic signet + pips

And then I sim 252k

[lusty grotto]

mythic pips?

i have a hero one

[strong forum]

Hero pips

[lusty grotto]

i should check

[strong forum]

Bibs is many good

In m+ I run bibs + rageheart

[blazing condor]

i dont get how pips works really - you can proc a random secondary stat and buff your team mates?

[strong forum]

No

The "friend" is the buff

[blazing condor]

i figured that wasnt it

[strong forum]

It's a pure buff trinket for yourself

Except the buff is the 3k reverse ramp down

After the ramp ended, you get a permanent 300 stat buff

Until the next 3k proc

[blazing condor]

ah yeah that makes sense

[tribal wharf]

some reason my video was restricted to yt kids, i changed that now

[blazing condor]

ur playing a boomer game

[tribal wharf]

no?

[strong forum]

Yeah if you don't specify that your vid is NOT for kids

[tribal wharf]

20wcm fort video tonight

[strong forum]

It'll be labeled for kids

[blazing condor]

yeah wow is boomer game

real question tho how many new players do you think wow get in the ages 8-15

[tribal wharf]

ya well, i figured your talking my spaceship game which really is boomer game

1993 release of 198x game lunar lander but prettier and harder

gotta go to 18-25 year olds and talk to them directly see why they say wow sucks, but i have feeling would be same reason as boomers

[uneven mason]

Judging from the average ability for a pug DPS to be able to kick, a lot fall into the lower end of that on the mental capacity scale.

[blazing condor]

id wager kids would be better at interrupting than boomers

at least with the reaction time

[tribal wharf]

i cant interrupt less that 2 second priority spells unless i really try

not like bolt that hits the mage for 300k, oh no anyways if thats 1.5 second cast, who care imo lol

spirited defense type stuff, i have to set BW sounds, voices, etc or i forget to do it

[uneven mason]

I guess I Just have muscle memory

[lusty grotto]

i dont think reaction time is a problem with age in wow

its pretty capped at certain points

now anything snappier than that

[blazing condor]

yeah is not a mechanical game per se

[lusty grotto]

like shooters, or anything like that is different

[pallid quiver]

A lot of it is people aren't properly training themselves to react

[blazing condor]

people dont really know what to look for either

[pallid quiver]

Carry over ideas from fighting games in that the average human reaction is around like 16-18 frames in a 60 FPS fight game, yet people get hit by things that can take an actual second to go rocking. The biggest issue for WoW is that there isn't major indicators to interrupt unless you blind yourself, since a cast bar is

kinda minor, all things considered

[blazing condor]

a problem in wow is also that your skill can be very gatekept by your UI as well

some people have really dumb UIs and cant see casts/mobs properly

[pallid quiver]

So the average time to react will be higher than someone suddenly lifting their leg up directly into the sky. Also, the above

So a lot of the times, it isn't their reactions, per say, they can react just fine

There's just nothing to react to, whether from lack of knowledge, visibility, etc

A lot of people also mentally gatekeep themselves, too, thinking some of the best players were simply born different legitimately. There's probably a non-zero amount of players who were just born cracked, but

I know Jakey's even said that he wasn't mega cracked back in Pandaland and he had to just work on it. The bigger issue on that, imo, is that only minor subsets of the community focus on how to improve at playing, because people are obessesed with the meters and what-not

[blazing condor]

at least wow is that kind of game where you can improve by just grinding

some games you can do the same thing over and over and not improve

or just enforce really bad habits (which you absolutely can in wow too)

[lusty grotto]

well luerce

[blazing condor]

but generally just playing will help you know what to do

[lusty grotto]

meters are part of improving too

but i get what youre saying

[pallid quiver]

See, but they're not part of improving if you're aiming to pad and then say you got better

[lusty grotto]

basically what is immediate

[pallid quiver]

That's the sort of thing those people do is what I mean

[lusty grotto]

which is not the full picture

yeah

[pallid quiver]

So they'll intentionally play worse to play the meter game, and if you filter meters to remove pad damage, those people lose their fucking shit because it's the personal worth

i know this too well because most people i get dragged to play with when i play with one of my friends

are exactly this type of person

[blazing condor]

its not a 1:1 ratio on playing well and being high on meters

but id rather have a dude do 300k dps than 150k

even if he could CC a bit better

[pallid quiver]

I'd rather they put numbers into the boss we're killing at all instead of adds that will just disappear when the boss dies that are across the room ;-;

[lusty grotto]

i dont think thats true anymore

if adds spawn they need to die, in raid for example

theres a mob in DHT at least that does fit that bill

the stalker

he mirror images

you kill the stalker, the image dies

[pallid quiver]

This is a long spanning issue, not just this xpac; obviously it differs depending on encounter, but

[lusty grotto]

but anyway in today's wow every class pretty much cleaves

[pallid quiver]

It's the mindset behind it that's the issue

[lusty grotto]

sorry i meant the deadeye

hes the one that clones itself

[warm plinth]

[pallid quiver]

ghash is nodding at me

he wants to fight, to contest me

A duel to the death it is, then

[warm plinth]

Fight me bish

@pallid quiver I'm looking sexy af

[pallid quiver]

i'd have to log in to post a picture of my war zzzzz

I'd instead fight you as a little animoo girl who pews lasers if current fighting trends apply

Uni 2 too good of game

[fathom nymph]

Hey guys, do you know the formula for ignore pain absorb amount by cast?

[warm plinth]

uhhh

[winged slate]

It's just a multiplier from your attack power and versatility

[warm plinth]

like Weapon DPS x 3.5*vers or something

idk if the 3.5 coefficient is still correct or not

[lusty grotto]

up to an amount of total health

its not important enough that we have it memorized anymore

[winged slate]

More strength = more pain ignored

Simple as

[lusty grotto]

and has a cap

and is affected by vers slightly

[warm plinth]

MOAR PAIN

[winged slate]

Strong men ignore pain

They don't even scrunch their eyes at the dentist

[lusty grotto]

😦

i did that today

[winged slate]

The dentist blows

I mean, the experience

[lusty grotto]

i agree

[warm plinth]

tbf my eye scrunching at the dentist is to the sounds, not the pain

[lusty grotto]

that too

[winged slate]

It's just uncomfortable if nothing else

Pain isn't terrible, but man it's uncomfortable pain

Like WOAH that's not a feeling I like

[lusty grotto]

so i went today cause i have a weird toothache on my upper right side, they said no cavities, nothing shows on xray, your wisdom teeth aren't impacted and are straight enough no removal is necessary

my right upper jaw still hurts

idk what to do

just keep chugging ibuprofen

[winged slate]

Sometimes I get stuff like that for anywhere from like... a couple days to a week

Nothing wrong with me, toof just hurt

[lusty grotto]

been like that since last tuesday

[winged slate]

That's rough

[lusty grotto]

it was worse, i guess

wednesday's pain was fucking insane

anyway they only gave me antibiotics and to call if it got worse or lasted a while more

didnt even tell me if i had an infection or w/e just said take em just in case

[winged slate]

Sounds like an "idk maybe this will help"

[lusty grotto]

yea

im pretty sure nobody really likes dentists lol

[winged slate]

Their wives maybe?

[lusty grotto]

im gonna be surprised the day i meet someone that says "eh i prefer dentists over other doctors"

lol for sure

at least most of them are pretty nice

i havent had an a-hole dentist yet

i cant say the ahole word anymore

[winged slate]

Are we not allowed?

[lusty grotto]

got flagged

ima test gotta go since mods are asleep

shit

yeah you cant say it lol

[winged slate]

Weird ass automod stuff

Some words are okay but then similar words are not

[lusty grotto]

yeah its odd

i dont know if mods/admins can review the list or w/e

and make changes

doesnt seem like they can

its fine though, it helps them do other things

like extreme lurking

yep blizzard CS said no to augury shenanigans

[warm plinth]

what augury shenanigans

[warm plinth]

You can't see the "commonly blocked words" list or w/e, but you can disable that and use a custom word list instead. They most likely just have the commonly flagged one enabled.

this is what you can modify on the commonly flagged list

[lusty grotto]

so last night augury dropped for us, and due to the ddos shit our loot master dc'd

and augury was left on corpse

and we reset instance

so it went to mail

[warm plinth]

oh no

[lusty grotto]

if it goes to mail it gets auto flagged non tradeable

[warm plinth]

yeah

they won't do anything huh

[lusty grotto]

yeah they posted the response it was AI generated pretty much

[warm plinth]

that's dumb

wait so who did it go to?

[lusty grotto]

our loot master lol

[lusty grotto]

lol our entire raid just froze

on NA

[jagged gust]

'Member when GMs were people? I 'member

[lusty grotto]

[uneven mason]

"Anyone can do duck" - wipes 14 times on a farm boss
I get back - 1 shot
Professional duck

[lusty grotto]

you guys dont have augs and hunters ducking?

yolo duck?

[lusty tiger]

I’m sorry it has to be like that

[patent osprey]

We did it

Finally time to go back prot war

[lusty grotto]

😮

lets gooo

[ionic fern]

Gratz.

[restive scroll]

Glad you're back to us !

[hearty stump]

Is there a list somewhere that I could read up on with the best utilization for spell reflect in keys?

[restive scroll]

Yes, the spreadsheet in the pins

[hearty stump]

Does spell reflect reduce spell dot damage as well?

[violet ginkgo]

gg rageheart

[pallid quiver]

Reduces any magic damage you take, yes

[tribal wharf]

thats flintheart glomgold without all the irish stuff

scrooge mcduck nemesis, one of them other main villian is magika despell

[tribal wharf]

still no idea what i deflected on sister briar on wcm20, even with a log lmao, apparently its a parry for spells but they only casted the iris spell, maybe it tried to put thorns on me and it deflected, that would be awesome

[restive scroll]

https://deplete.fyi/app/df/s3/wm/131825_1/260697 ?
There's not much to reflect aside from their bolts afaik
And that's not a deflect

[tribal wharf]

the one i was talking about was 100% deflect, i have image of it

[restive scroll]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

That doesn't seem to be in the sheet either.
Maybe you did a discovery :D

Could you share the screen, out of curiosity? Msbt usually puts an icon next to it IIRC

[tribal wharf]

what i can tell you is i am 1 billion % sure of what i saw

[pallid quiver]

Is it supposed to be during the part where you slow down the video?

I'm not seeing any deflect wording pop up, nor, uh,

is spell reflect active for more than a second at the very start of this clip

[tribal wharf]

ya on my health bar thing

[blazing condor]

I see it

It definitely says deflect

[pallid quiver]

isn't

isn't that one of the messages for parry/dodges

[tribal wharf]

what i read briefly just now is that dflect is parry for spells

tldr

[pallid quiver]

n

no

Spell reflect had been over for about 8 seconds by the time that pops up

It means you dodge/parried an attack coming at you

I think it's specifically one of the messages for dodging, iirc, but

as in a melee

[tribal wharf]

Deflect is an avoidance mechanic that functions exactly the same as parry, with the exception of only appearing to work for magical attacks that use the melee hit table, the most notable of these being Ability paladin hammeroftherighteous [Hammer of the Righteous]. Given that Deflection takes the same space in the combat table as parry, expertise will reduce the chance for a player's attacks, and additional parry rating will increase a player's chance to deflect attacks. Deflected attacks incurred parry haste while it existed.[1]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Deflect

thats where i found the information, is it classic only stuff? who knows

https://wowwiki-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Deflect

[pallid quiver]

It's just a parry, really

[tribal wharf]

well, if by stacking crit, we get parry, and through that parry we deflect a bunch of attacks that could be awesome

[pallid quiver]

I just remember it showing up in ye olde days when I had old UI back in Vanilla/BC times or something

[pallid quiver]

the attacks still have to be on the attack table for that, so you'd be blocking them in modern land, anyway, if you didn't just parry them

[blazing condor]

@tribal wharf

for the record

[restive scroll]

So you deflect the the damages that she reflects to you, right?

[blazing condor]

id assume so

[opaque quest]

So how did we all like the Borderlands trailer in which Lilith is a bilion years old and Roland is shorter than Tina

[blazing condor]

[opaque quest]

I was curious who the guy in the suit was

Then i realized its supposed to be jack

[tribal wharf]

borderlands 1 and 2 and their dlc are good, so are the rpgs

i keep remember border lands 3 wasnt as good for some reaso ns

[opaque quest]

TTWL is also pretty dope if you play Redux

BL3 was cringy with the coc twins

[tribal wharf]

i did all of bl1 , bl2 base + some of the early dlc then i stopped after then until i got rpgs for free

[opaque quest]

Youre talking about the tales games right?

[tribal wharf]

ya those are good

[opaque quest]

Ya 1 is goated

[tribal wharf]

i spent a larger portion of money on games in mid 00's early 10's

[opaque quest]

I havent spent money on games in the last 5 years bc i only played D2 and WoW

But now that i dont play either im working on my backlog

"Destiny"2

[tribal wharf]

not going to harp on it too much but inflation basically

used to be able to buy 12 hot dog at walmart for 50cent 1 dollar, now is at least 3-4 dollar probably

so, ah, i can afford a week of food on 30 bucks, today not so much that statement is true

[opaque quest]

Ye shit got expensive. I cant afford more than 1 discounted game a month either rn

My montly budget for a new game is around 40 bucks +-

But im just a lowley baker and ppl that work with their hands are fucked in germany. You either work in the industry or go broke lol

[tribal wharf]

or you are nome some sort of gigachad gym instructor/mythic raiding pwar / probably rich, says he can afford both food and rent now, am jealous

[blazing condor]

he scams elderly online

great income

[opaque quest]

I wish i was an indian scammer

Whenever i head to the gym its just full of influencers. Cant walk anywhere because of fucking tripods. I cant

[blazing condor]

just pose with them

[waxen frigate]

It’s more than just inflation but yeah

Stuff costs more than ever

Relative to income

[tribal wharf]

does mass invis or rogue stealth not do the same thing as night elf racial

like im watchin the mdi trick

[waxen frigate]

No

[tribal wharf]

i know vnaish has funny things going on with it, source used to be a rogue

[waxen frigate]

You can’t use those things on players in combat

Vanish works for rogues

Maybe normal mage invis works but I don’t think that it drops combat

[tribal wharf]

ya, im lookin at the rift mages thing, thats crazy

[blazing condor]

meld is the way to go

but you can probably vanish it

[waxen frigate]

Night elf racial specifically can allow you to drop combat

Which is why it’s used

[tribal wharf]

so it doesnt work if everyone his an invis potion

[waxen frigate]

No

You have to be able to drop combat

[tribal wharf]

ah

when i sent my mage to alliance server i was going to make it night elf

and then blizzard rejected so now hes mecha gnome

[blazing condor]

the strat only works if you people can drop combat

then you have one person with DoTs on the mob so that when everyone else is out of combat, the mob will snap to the dude with the dots

since theyre the only one with aggro on the mob now

and yadda yadda

[crystal mauve]

I tried to tag in a 25 with my warrior (3500 io) and I wasn’t invited, swapped to pally (3300) and got instantly invited … I guess I’m done for the season or what? >.<

[tribal wharf]

a real warrior never gives up never surrenders

[opaque quest]

Well you got 2 options. Reroll fotm every season or get used to waiting

I rather wait tbh

[crystal mauve]

It’s getting abut boring to wait 2h to get invited to a key tbh

I need mostly 28+ for IO but it’s not happening in pugs lol

[tribal wharf]

(longer waits)play what you want, play with good players, play with a consistant group,(instant invite) choose 2

[crystal mauve]

What about a strategic retreat? 🙃

[opaque quest]

If i didnt have my wife looking for keys for me i wouldve stopped playing in legion lol

[opaque quest]

Advancing in the other direction

[tribal wharf]

you clearly mean recovery so we go again

[hardy snow]

just do your own key, no need to wait for invite

[crystal mauve]

That’s cute ☺️

[crystal mauve]

I do but it’s so annoying when you roll between 3 keys on the same week and can’t find what you need :/

[tribal wharf]

asmongold is mostly wrong about what he said about ciriticsizing keystones if you ask me

[opaque quest]

Asmon is always wrong

[crystal mauve]

Last week I got 29 Rise… get fucked lol have to lower it a bunch to finish it and then probably up again

[tribal wharf]

not entirely just mostly, thats the point is you are supposed to be u nder the timer and dialed in and focused

[crystal mauve]

I don’t what he said, can you resume it?

[tribal wharf]

trash mobs too hard is garbage reason thats typically cuz fort and some bs affix like raging or bolster, and it equals out with bosses being rough on tyranical re-inforcing stronger mechanical play

[hardy snow]

so try finding a group to play together

[crystal mauve]

He doesn’t want mythic + he want to farm old content and one shot everything lol

[hazy bronze]

20+ minutes of focus...

[tribal wharf]

spell effect he is somewhat correct on, but i think its supposed to be a messy spectacle of magic explosions and fires

[restive scroll]

yeah, got Rise 29, then rise 28, then tott 27.
Then I someone played bad (and that's not me for once !) and destroyed my hope in ad 27

[hardy snow]

genz have troubles focusing for such long XD

[tribal wharf]

computationally, he is correct terms of fps drop

[restive scroll]

It's also hard doing your own keys

:D

[hazy bronze]

That list is just awful

[crystal mauve]

My keys are closer to 30min rather than 20mins tbh unless you clap a 20 for vault

[hardy snow]

still, 30min isnt long

[tribal wharf]

i remember some months ago some dude came on and he was like "no, your position is wrong, cuz you got 1 million viewer army desperate to get in and carry you" was the short version, "no its eas you just play what you want and apply and dont be bad, anyone can do it"

[grim pilot]

its not

20 mins of focus

you literally have small breaks inbetween pulls

[crystal mauve]

No it’s not 😂

[tribal wharf]

typical run of wcm i do is somewhere 10-25% downtime waiting

[crystal mauve]

Asmond take is overall garbage, he doesn’t like to lose

[tribal wharf]

ego andy, wow, never seen one of those before

[restive scroll]

I have significantly less in WCM particularly, at least in low ish keys

[covert flower]

When I was farming 11-15 crests I would just spam non stop WM 11s and finish the trash count in like 5 pulls

Whole hallway plus boss room packs + stair pack one pull

Whole courtyard los inside 2nd pull

3rd pull entire pig area every single pack

[tribal wharf]

too bad engineer explosives and lots of other stuff doesnt scale all the way through a patch or expansion

[covert flower]

4th pull basement back door entrance with big witch and last pull all the casters before 4th boss

[tribal wharf]

sually jutst to end of patch and then it dies

like ring

[covert flower]

I guess 6 pulls since the shitters after 4th but

Those don't count really

They're just a part of last boss in those runs IMO

[opaque quest]

I wanted to flex my quadruple Ilari POTG but i cant upload 700 MB files. What do?

[tribal wharf]

ya, about 15-20% down time average key i'd wager

[restive scroll]

my last "low" wcm, got a 4% downtime

[restive scroll]

What's the key ? It's not specified

[opaque quest]

Yogi my man you gotta chain pull

When there is only 1 or 2 mobs left go next

[tribal wharf]

18 wcm, small amount of deaths less than 10

most of death was cuz we needed 1.4 % for spiral for trash

[opaque quest]

9 deaths is a small amount?^^

[tribal wharf]

and they took it upon them self to pull it down staris with me and then im hey why thise dude castin spirited defense, we aint supposed to see that any more

normally if im behind less than 5%, use the tp, kill someting at end, more, pull more at bassement

1.4% might be literal only 1 dude of a 2 mob pack and then you cc other and dumpster him

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/i-think-you-broke-my-brain-stick-goldstein-the-expanding-universe-of-ashley-garcia-you-broke-me-mind-blown-gif-19241037

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5so2tkxjrpM found a way lets go

[covert flower]

WM is the only dungeon you'll usually have route issues on

Witch rotations and I think if you let infests go off you lose 0.33% iirc?

Could be wrong

[blazing condor]

arent all witches standardised now

since like a week ago

[covert flower]

I swear I did one and the etcher wasn't active in left hall

I haven't ran much this week though

Just the candle bitch

I could be wrong though it was a low key for guild member so I literally may have just not noticed

[opaque quest]

Weird flex ngl

[covert flower]

I mean it was legit like an 8 or something I pulled the entire hall and pat and losed, the etcher might have been in there, would need some1 to confirm but

[opaque quest]

Im just fucking with you all good

[covert flower]

I feel like it was just candles one

If that's true though then yeah the only possible route variance you have is

Infests going off or pulling through walls/underground

Which happens a fair bit it seems actually

The 2 infected thorns bitches plus other mob that sits in the corner of the courtyard

I somehow pulled the shit from the basement up there

The etcher and captain that are on the other side when you go down from the kitchen

[blazing condor]

theres variance but at least the dungeon isnt super punishing

its pretty easy to pull something extra to get that one extra %

or just return after gorak tul and pull a dog somewhere

not saying that variance should be a thing

but at least it could be worse

[covert flower]

Yeah it's not a big deal and most of the time it's stable but it's just annoying, but you start to know what % you need where

I've looked down and noticed I'm 0.33% short of where I should be and I'm like ahhh, nice

Trip to the entrance after last boss it is

This week needs to fuck off at mach 50

Need to actually play the game

[crystal mauve]

For WM just make sur to have at least 88.85% when you go down and you are good. pull more in the basement if needed

[covert flower]

Yeah but pull more in the basement feels shit sometimes

[crystal mauve]

better than going back to the entrance tho

[covert flower]

Eh if it's fort and you'd have to kill the big bitch I'd never choose that over going to entrance

Like say you killed the witch, etcher and captain and we're like 88.52 or 88.19

I'm never killing the big bitch

[opaque quest]

It depends. Going back to spawn might be faster in theory but with people being slow in the head it takes some ppl 30 seconds to figure out where everybody went

[covert flower]

I mean on your push keys people should know

It's probably something everybody has had to do at least once

[opaque quest]

Should is the spicy word here

[covert flower]

I mean you could always pre account for any infests going off by

Always pulling all the soul essences but

Man are they a shitter mob

Negative count efficiency and you actually need to kinda use something on them or you are just wasting time

They might be the worst mob out of every dungeon actually

[tribal wharf]

any pack with whiches goes brr times the number of whiches pulled

cuz etch and if etch rngs onto healer GG

infected thorns kills alot of ppl in pugs too

not sure what this one was, but doing this pull kills ppl some tiems

maybe thorngaurd does a cleave, but healer walked in front of them :S

[crystal mauve]

What the death log says?

[tribal wharf]

must have been infected thorns, 2 of them complete and then shaman and dh get deleted

[uneven mason]

Literally have details yogi

After a run you can review all the deaths

[crystal mauve]

You can see the target of casts on your plater - yes this is the debuff that killed them

[covert flower]

Yeah infected thorns is easily managed if people aren't overlapping kicks/stops but

That kinda happens a lot in pugs

Best thing I can recommend to help your group is either immediately stop/kick or do it at the very end

Either eliminate the doubt or give your team time to stop them and you're like last line of stopping

[plush tendon]

you gotta press your interrupt my dude

[covert flower]

Like pwarr actually owns waycrest manor

You should have so many interrupts by the end of the dungeon

You should be getting good shout value non stop 2+ cast shouts

Like if you're not largely ahead in interrupts by the end of the dungeon you played it poorly

Should almost be 0 thorns/spirited defense/volleys going off

[median tulip]

Bolstering is the most UnFun affix

It's not hard, but it's just not fun

[uneven mason]

At least it no longer buffs health

[median tulip]

True, true

[uneven mason]

That demon hallway in brh

[median tulip]

But Fortified Bolstered on a pack with low HP mobs and a caster. Not Fun.

[uneven mason]

Back in legion

Bats

Spiders

[median tulip]

The Bats give bolstering?

[uneven mason]

That whole dungeon on bolstering week was dead key

[covert flower]

I mean by saying it's not hard

[uneven mason]

Used too

[plush tendon]

Everbloom bolstering can rot in hell

[covert flower]

Is that like a general take or compared to other affixes?

[plush tendon]

tried a 29 for shits and giggles last night

[covert flower]

Because affix to affix

Bolstering is really fucking hard

[plush tendon]

whoever said 'flowers should bolster' was fucking high

[covert flower]

There's nothing close in difficulty?

It's the only thing you literally can't just play perfectly around

You WILL have to bolster something shit at some point

[plush tendon]

bolstering aint bad in some dungeons

[median tulip]

I mean you totally can play around it

[plush tendon]

was pretty easy to deal with in Waycrest

[covert flower]

Like I'm just saying you have complete agency over all the other affixes but

Some dungeon layouts/timers

[plush tendon]

but its dungeons like Everbloom where you are sitting there like.... how do you do this shit?

[median tulip]

You just pull less aggressively, and hey presto, Bolstering ain't shit to you

[covert flower]

Literally require you to have shit pulls

[median tulip]

But that's exactly the problem; the way to play around Bolstering is UnFun

[covert flower]

Like playing around it isn't the same thing as being in control of the outcome to a high degree

[plush tendon]

they got bolstered so much, their nameplates were in the sky

[covert flower]

You are in control of other affixes

Bolstering will make itself an issue no matter what you do at some point

You can't just cut every pull in some dungeons

Unless your DPS is like shit hot

[median tulip]

The specific problem with Bolstering is packs with huge differential HP values, ESPECIALLY if the high HP mob is a caster

[covert flower]

The problem with bolstering is it's paired with fort and that just needs to fuck off

[median tulip]

Which is what makes Everbloom so nasty; low HP flowers giving Bolstering

[covert flower]

At least with Tyrannical 2 stacks in you're only dealing with a 10% buffed fort mob

Like it's shit in general but that makes it way worse

It goes from a d tier affix to like hard f

[median tulip]

I did get a really juicy Infected Thorn spell reflect earlier, so it's not all bad

[plush tendon]

if bolstering was capped

id be fine with that

5 stacks

[covert flower]

Bolstering just needs to be changed to 10%

Like how is that not much better

5 mob deaths buffs one mob by 50%

[plush tendon]

the affix is problematic

[covert flower]

Punishing, but not disgusting