believe :3!!!
#protection
lean flower
tribal wharf
nah im pised now
lean flower
if it makes you feel better the last 10 days I’ve failed 7 29 atals
tribal wharf
now i remember precisely why i hated this dungeon back in bfa
lean flower
70% of them on last boss bahahaha
tribal wharf
i wasn't wrong
it sitll happens precisely the way ir emember so im never doing it again after i time it on 20
lean flower
Well it’s even worse now since we can’t kick wracking pain hahahaha
BUT that can be a little fun to save the day for us prot warriors when every one dies and you solo the rest
seent!
HAHAHHAHA
perhaps try again a decent fort week?
covert flower
Atal is nice
covert flower
On Tyrannical weeks you just smash through the dungeon and bosses are fine and on fort weeks you play left side trash smart and laugh at the bosses
tribal wharf
im not gunna carry on bitching about it, but yup, i knew it. thats painful, OOF
lean flower
You’ll get it!!!
tribal wharf
fuck that dungeon
lean flower
and when you do you can be like “never again heck you” hahaha
tribal wharf
for context, today, i did ask about the cadence (timing) of moving yazma, and got nothing, i did see the picture of how to move her, hard for me to understand when exactly
lean flower
oh I see
opal forum
i personnaly just stay in a corner of the room and switch corner when it start to get too crowded in spiders
covert flower
Yazma is just about letting spiders clump up then hard moving away from them, your team should always drop soulrends close and not ahead of the kite path
So instead of doing a constant slow move around the arena
tribal wharf
covert flower
Look to let spiders clump up at a corner/wall, then hard drag the boss away
tribal wharf
this one
lean flower
The the only one I don’t like for soulrend in that image is the south middle one
tribal wharf
it shows HOW to move her, but doesnt show much else
lean flower
But sometimes it happens
opal forum
just move when it gets sketchy
you cant decide where dps drop soulrend, so just make sure they are not too close to you
and move accordingly
opal forum
people dont care about ping in 20
lean flower
ah fair enough
lean flower
I do that too
covert flower
Use a floor marker dropping macro
The same floor marker and just move it dynamically
You can do this easy as tank because there's nothing going on on Yazma for you
So keep an eye on which areas look good to soulrend, make your group aware you're going to be dropping a marker for the soulrend point
And just keep moving it where you want the soulrend
The reason I prefer floor markers to pinging is you can hard set them up ahead of time and everybody has time to clearly see where they're going
Instead of reacting to a ping
opal forum
just tell them do go far and together
its a 20
do it super safe
and it should work
lean flower
Deathray. The corners are pretty good because it allows you to keep spiders clumping up. I don’t suggest the south middle spot like that image . I only start in the cubbie for first one and go back there if the spiders are kind of F’d for the group when they are about to do soul rend and their movement is soon too and they are already close, for top left and right spots in the image. So sometimes I’ll do a cubbie one again to get it reset a bit
lean flower
Plus another reason I don’t like stairs is people can LoS the healer at times up there sooo it can be a little blehhh if someone has wracking pain and they can’t get healed
covert flower
Lower key levels like
Maybe 22/23 and below that fight is so decided by your healer in pugs
Like I swear the amount of times I've had healers tunnel and chain die to spiders is just phenomenal
Sometimes you get the classic, splat, res, splat
That's always a good one
lean flower
Sent you a vod deathray hope that may help
opaque quest
Sent you a vod deathray hope that may help
Youre in for a surprise
tribal wharf
Youre in for a surprise
what surprise is that
please elaborate if you will
im just dying to know
probably "he wont watch it, or listen to the advice" (i did watch the segment in its entirity twice, still don understand every working part)
actually, i was considering making a comparison video using his footage or similiar footage, and play what i did and what he did, post that or just the first part, to try to see where the difference was
but the thought escaped my brain, like an hour or 2 ago, else you'd all probably be looking at it, but i wanted to leave it alone and not start drama or poking
opaque quest
what surprise is that
Dont be so negative. The surprise would be that after our little talk yesterday you will actually try this time
tribal wharf
ah probably too late for a hail mairy attempt of it, and not worth it if i fail the run again
opaque quest
You realize all of us deplete keys too right?
tribal wharf
oh of course, ya, its inevitable after all
opaque quest
Just saying. You make it sound like giving it a second chance isnt worth it. For some of my highest timed runs i had 10 depletes
tribal wharf
more like a culination of failures would be soul breaking lol
thats why aitn worth so ya, im not gunna stress my self out again this morning
hits different when you fail 4 times in a row lol
opaque quest
It does. Thats why you try again tomorrow or next week
covert flower
If it makes you feel any better I bricked a fall and Iridikron was 85.0%
covert flower
Yeah that was the nail in the coffin I need to get off for the night key
I bricked 5 keys deep into their runs early morning, went to eat, shower and stuff
opal forum
tbh 4 failed keys in a row is not even that bad tbh
covert flower
Came back and 4 streaked some IO
opaque quest
Ye sometimes i get tilted so bad i dont play wow for 3 days after certain runs. But at some point ill just try again. My ego wont let me
opal forum
like, shit happens
covert flower
Ran 1 more fall trying to go for 5
opal forum
not the end of the world
covert flower
And yeah was greeted with
tribal wharf
i know a really fun game, wipe out, basically any of them but especially ps2 and onwards
tribal wharf
ps1 is 640x480 probably 30fps and about half a triangle on the screen
the newer ones are really, really good, mix of mario kart and f-zero, but really fast
im debating if im making the comparison video or not, thats why think about random stuff
opaque quest
Yogi sometimes i think you got 2 personalities in your head. One likes wow and the other only play retro games. And they just suddenly switch without warning
tribal wharf
you have an internal monolog?
opaque quest
If you really wanna improve just watch the video up and down
And note what you did wrong
You know the basics
You dont need us to tell you to not turn your back for the 45th time
jagged pier
jagged pier
we vibe
strong forum
jagged pier
tribal wharf
i think what i'm understanding, is before she starts to cast soul rend, like 3-5 seconds before, thats when i start to move her, and then i move here around room like in the picture
and the dps has to be stacked up ready to go into corner/what have you basically in those 3-5 seconds
and lust comes after first soul rend adds die,
and if possible everyone doesnt touch and spiders
covert flower
It's not even about moving her prior to soulrend, it's just having an established point somewhat close to the boss that is free of spiders, you don't always have to yank the boss away
Sometimes you may, sometimes you just path like normal
Like 90% of Yazma's difficulty is your 3 DPS and healer being on the same page
With movement and soulrends
opal forum
i feel ur overthinking it a lil too much. You seem to know what each thing in the fight does, so be logic and place the boss accordingly
covert flower
The rest is just down to heals being able to keep people up and you allowing them to play the game by not forcing them to stand in shit areas
tribal wharf
i believe a big part of what i did to make that key easy back in bfa days was put star on healer to tell group its the healer and have the ranged stack with them
covert flower
At the end of the day, even if you have to do something scuffed like leap a large distance to get to a good spot
Your DPS/heals will find a way to get to you
It's not like they want to just run through spiders
opaque quest
It's not like they want to just run through spiders
Purple is a cool color ngl
I'd touch it
Just to see if it tastes purple
tribal wharf
that fight makes me paranoid cuz there is so many of the spiders
covert flower
Like the reason Yazma is easy for tank is
It has very little tank damage and you are almost always going to be in a spot where spiders aren't going to hit you
So you have complete clarity on that fight
You can see everything, you've got like nothing going on
It should feel like it's playing out in slow motion, you should be able to think about things 10 seconds in advance
Where you're going to move, where the group is going to drop souls
covert flower
I mean Yazma is in that category of tank fights where it's "man I hope my group doesn't fuck this up"
Except you can easily solo yaz in decent time as pwarr if you have timer left after your group dies
Unlike something like Yalnu
Where you genuinely have 0 influence over the fight
Besides rally and add dmg
Iridikron, legit 0 influence over the fight
opal forum
if youre surrounded by spider
its because you dont move enough
go somwhere else
with less spider
opaque quest
its because you dont move enough
Me moving houses IRL because a spider in the bathroom
jagged pier
based
opal forum
cant live in australia
stop trying to do some mathematical timing stuff for this fight
its as easy as "do you feel in danger? if yes, move somwhere where you feel less in danger
jagged pier
opaque quest
Guess who wants food
jagged pier
CAT
tribal wharf
cat say where food
opaque quest
There is always food for him. Hes one of those stupuid cats that doesnt like wet food
blazing condor
Guess who wants food
me
where's all the tier lists meta slavers now
when this is r1 ToTT
mad quiet since this dropped
opal forum
thats insane
blazing condor
opaque quest
Lets go
Thanks
Rogue isnt using "oldgunsounds"
Makes the pistol go from poof to bang
blazing condor
no lust and full melee
opaque quest
Metaslaves are just gonna say they got lucky or w/e
blazing condor
opaque quest
Orange
opaque quest
I had some Kiwis for the first time in years cause i felt scurvy and immediately felt my stomach rebel lmao. Make sure to eat your fruits regularly kids
dusky canopy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXaJCsej0NI
Outlaw has big damage at all times pretty much
Makes a lot of sense to me
blazing condor
obviously its a good comp
covert flower
Yeah that comp is actually pretty goated for throne the only 1 question I have is
blazing condor
considering they can do that hsit
covert flower
How bear is surviving 30 3rd boss
blazing condor
im just taking a stab at the ppl saying "you need a mage, aug, vdh blah blah to push"
covert flower
That comp isn't going to do rank 1 keys in other dungeons pretty sure though
jagged pier
because suprise suprise any tank can do a 30
waxen frigate
How bear is surviving 30 3rd boss
Survivability isn’t the limiting factor for any tank right now really, at least in 30s
blazing condor
That comp isn't going to do rank 1 keys in other dungeons pretty sure though
this is the rogues breakdown
waxen frigate
The meta this season is entirely defined by mob control
covert flower
Just specifically Tyrannical 30 3rd boss though like
blazing condor
but it should be noted that Yodarr is Yoda's rogue alt and he's pushing R1 key as prot pala
covert flower
I could understand a blood DK, pwarr just brute force tanking it but
Feels like bear surely gets shit on IDK
waxen frigate
You act like bear is squishy
Also it looks like they have a MW so they can giga pump heals if needed
covert flower
Didn't say bear was squishy but the damage profile of 3rd boss is pretty bad for them no?
IDK
It's like shit loads of non stop high damage melees with magic damage on top
I guess bear self heals go crazy but still
dusky canopy
If I’m not mistaken bear is probably next best “melees” tank behind us because of iron fur spamming
BDK does parry too so they would contend
opaque quest
Also DRW has pretty good uptime. Its all parries with that
waxen frigate
A quick peek at top log other than that one shows like 6k EHRPS difference between bear and VDH on that fight
sonic pagoda
neither wowhead or icyveins talk about pressing rend in the rotation, should I be hitting rend as a brand new prot war with no tier?
dusky canopy
No rend unless leveling maybe
opaque quest
neither wowhead or icyveins talk about pressing rend in the rotation, should I b...
You never press rend
jagged pier
no TC applies rend
blazing condor
neither wowhead or icyveins talk about pressing rend in the rotation, should I b...
You have a talent called "Blood and Thunder" which makes TC apply rend automatically
jagged pier
that talent
dusky canopy
jagged pier
if u are lvling and dont have it yet
plush tendon
the most important thing with comp is synergy; that bear, fury, double rogue, MW has great synergy with each other; for sure off meta but 100% viable
plush tendon
plus 3rd boss prob feels great since no squishies getting blasted
sonic pagoda
tyty
opaque quest
How bad is it to press shadow dance with outlaw
wdym you still use it for ambush
dusky canopy
Right does it feel clunky?
opaque quest
no
blazing condor
could u imagine if S1 tier won for us
dusky canopy
Hmmm debating between WW and Outlaw alt
plush tendon
could u imagine if S1 tier won for us
jagged pier
could u imagine if S1 tier won for us
id rather not
covert flower
Dude it feels clunky for me IDK like
dusky canopy
Big fan of both
plush tendon
Hmmm debating between WW and Outlaw alt
outlaw is better right now and got recently reworked
but WW has some swagger to it ya know
dusky canopy
Yeah WW is always sick
plush tendon
with rogue though, you can also play sub and ass
opaque quest
Big fan of both
You press ambush all the time anyways because of audacity so its natural
covert flower
Sub is actually so fun
dusky canopy
Sub is cool but to much shit to track for my taste personally
covert flower
Yeah it can be a lot but that's kinda all rogue specs in a way
None of them are brain-dead
plush tendon
I like playing the “underdog” specs
dude same; granted I swapped to play VDH so I am playing meta... but when I get to do keys with like Unholy DK, Demo Lock, and some other silly spec
I get excited
opaque quest
Most important is to use oldgunsounds addon
plush tendon
opaque quest
So your pistol sounds like a flintlocke
dusky canopy
Outlaw never used to be so bloated
You maintained bladefurry & snd
Pistol shot procs
Builder and spender spam
plush tendon
though I do recommend people play VDH; its a very fun spec now
opaque quest
Outlaw should just have SnD removed
opaque quest
I like shadow dance alot. All you do is press it and use ambush instead of sinister
Big numbas
dusky canopy
I’ll have to at least give a chance
WW feels really good though
Played last night in full blues casually
opaque quest
Outlaw is simple. Because of the basic ass rotation you can think about CDs alot
blazing condor
though I do recommend people play VDH; its a very fun spec now
sell me on it
when i played it last it was just a buncha sigils and not much more
spikes
dusky canopy
dude same; granted I swapped to play VDH so I am playing meta... but when I get ...
Same same!
Break the meta is so cool to me
Wish they’d hype that up more
Meta slaving is boring
opaque quest
I wouldnt mind UH being meta at least once in 15 years tho
blazing condor
it was meta in SL MDI
opaque quest
Ye because of quadratic scaling that was removed instantly and PI
tribal wharf
i pretty sure unholy was good all of bfa
opaque quest
Unholy was only good with PI and shit. Never on its own
Oh i lied
It was meta in S1 legion with casti and legy
blazing condor
well spriest is meta
blazing condor
around the time they buffed ret (and spriest i guess) ppl been discussing it
dps rankings for m+ rn
opaque quest
Pretty sure Spriest is/was meta since the rework
waxen frigate
Pretty sure Spriest is/was meta since the rework
They gaslit everyone into thinking they became dogshit
plush tendon
sell me on it
I mean yea... the sigils is the big selling point XD
waxen frigate
After the MD/MS nerfs
blazing condor
I mean yea... the sigils is the big selling point XD
but sigils are also fun so im not unconvinced
opaque quest
They gaslit everyone into thinking they became dogshit
yeah lol. Unless they do 2390203930ß231% more than any other specc they think they are shit
blazing condor
likewise dawg
dusky canopy
opaque quest
Enjoy mate
plush tendon
but sigils are also fun so im not unconvinced
it plays more fluid then it used to with more defensive uptime
the core is the same though with get souls/fury spend them
but having higher spikes and meta uptime you dont feel like after 40 seconds into a pull that you gotta vengeful retreat and run like Forrest Gump
opaque quest
Bring back vengeance. That way tanks that take more damage do more damage
tribal wharf
speaking of retro imma go try that space ship game again
is a mythic raid, or +30 key on hard
serene gorge
every tank has a niche, but historically speaking prot, vengeance and brewmaster are the 🐐
weary saddle
Been thinking which tank to play in s4, coz i wanna start that tank alt early in s3. which tank in s4 has best tier set bonus u think?
tribal wharf
good lord that spaceship game is hard
opaque quest
Been thinking which tank to play in s4, coz i wanna start that tank alt early in...
Who cares play the one that speaks to you. If warr has the best but you wanna play reactive you wont get far
blazing condor
good lord that spaceship game is hard
among us
blazing condor
thats not among us
tribal wharf
thats my attempts at mythic raid level difficulty game, problem there was didnt aim my gun correctly, as you see
hazy bronze
thats not among us
Maybe he's using a mod???
blazing condor
it plays more fluid then it used to with more defensive uptime
fuck it i made a vdh need some variation anyway
made a mf named "Sigil" to really hammer in the gameplay 
opaque quest
fuck it i made a vdh need some variation anyway
blazing condor
not like imma actually play it tbh
in my 13 years of playing ive played pwarr and rogue
and rogue lived for 2 patches
blazing condor
way ahead of ya
opaque quest
With sick burn marks so she can say bla bla i snackrificed bla bla
blazing condor
opaque quest
https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-norman-osborn-angry-you-know-how-much-gif-2418...
Ilidan when we took bt
blazing condor
i love how us taking down illidan in tbc is mostly just "uh yeah we kinda fucked up"
good lore
some OSRS type lore where you the player becomes sole responsible for mass genocide just because you were stupid enough to belive what some dude said
opaque quest
Alex Arschsabi and Danuser messed up good ye
Blizz in general doesnt make good stories anymore. D3 and 4 are dogwater. SC2 turned to shit after WoL. wow has been a meme since wod. Overwatch kekw. Hots kekw
blazing condor
hearthstone: 
warm meadow
Iam new to prot warrior. Feels like huge Button bloat. Am i Right?
opaque quest
hearthstone: <:xeos:945501697847992341>
blazing condor
Iam new to prot warrior. Feels like huge Button bloat. Am i Right?
depends on what ur used to
i got like 35 button bound total
but for the core gameplay you dont need that many obviously
opaque quest
Aye. If you wanna go over the top any class can have 40 buttons. You dont need half of them tho
violet ginkgo
but for the core gameplay you dont need that many obviously
How many for the core gameplay?
blazing condor
no hard figure for it cus you can always argue what you need/dont need
but i mean everything that doesnt directly impact your survivability / damage would be "extra"
but even then imo youre inting if you dont got CC and stuff bound
winged slate
If you're not used to having offensive cooldowns and defensive cooldowns I guess you could see it as a lot
But it's not like I'm hitting last stand frequently
tawny briar
I play most of the tank specs and Honestly I think Pwar is middling for buttons. Pally and Brew are WAY worse
opaque quest
Brew is the worst offender because of all the buttons you need at the absolute minimum
Apart from CDs you can play warr with SS TC revenge IP and SB
opaque quest
Brew has more buttons for its dps rota alone lmao
opaque quest
Havent watched anything with him i think
lusty grotto
need lust? better get a mage or an aug at worst, but they will guaranteed be afk half the run or some shit
opaque quest
I started taking more hunters just because they can be more braindead while still doing dps
SPs are the worst offenders for me since the rework
tawny briar
Hunters are so hit and miss man. So many accidently pull with auto shot or pets going flying into packs you are trying to skip
winged slate
Doesn't brew run a bunch of stuff that deletes buttons now?
opaque quest
No dps ever uses defensives lol
opaque quest
Doesn't brew run a bunch of stuff that deletes buttons now?
No PTA is mid
lusty grotto
its just hard to beat all the defensives a mage has (that end up not using)
like even outside of their wall, they have invis and mass barrier
opaque quest
There's like 3
I know but PTA is the biggest and you dont use it. Diffuse and Dampen are situation based
warm plinth
Hunters are so hit and miss man. So many accidently pull with auto shot or pets ...
Ngl the auto shot pulling is blizzard being shit because sometimes when you tab target a new mob it'll just automatically shoot and it's not supposed to.
tribal wharf
i cant begin to what imagine life as a hunter main is like
blazing condor
Pretty calm considering you got no thoughts going on whatsoever
warm plinth
It's very chill
opaque quest
I played BM as main in MoP until Garrosh. BM is life
warm plinth
As a hunter main this season
tribal wharf
i figure you'd get lots of ppl get mad at you cuz you die so easy as a hunter
tawny briar
Bug or not, it makes me rethink bringing hunters to certain keys (DHT for one)
not unlike how I didn't run WCM with ret when they were pulling everything through the walls
tribal wharf
and random pullings
warm plinth
Easy rotation (though you wouldn't think it with how many suck), infinite mobility
winged slate
Hunters just press 1, 2, 3, and top meters while being ranged and mobile
tribal wharf
pets and attacks pulling
lusty grotto
auto pulling has no issues in keys
winged slate
If you're pulling shit it's a personal issue, not a hunter issue
opaque quest
Pet AI is still broken. Love it when my pet runs back to me and does nothing. Been like that since WoD
lusty grotto
idk, i personally havent had an issue
warm plinth
Waycrest still has pulling through floor issues
tawny briar
much rarer now
warm plinth
I've had it happen two or three times this season
lusty grotto
🤷
tribal wharf
like i said, i literally never ever see that in my wcm and tol dagor keys
tawny briar
Beginning of the season every time i went in with a ret, we pulled things through the walls lol. Cause the old tierset would auto throw hammers that would ignore combat flags
winged slate
The reason people rage at hunters is because they have it so easy, and then they do stupid shit anyway
tribal wharf
and you guys told me it always happens, well, not that i notice
lusty grotto
aware
tawny briar
Main offenders in my experience were ret. Pretty sure it's been fixed
lusty grotto
pretty sure that wasnt the case with chipadin either
winged slate
You'll watch a hunter die to the purple circles in ToTT and wonder what he is smoking
lusty grotto
its not s2 tier
opaque quest
Its the divine storm thingy
lusty grotto
it was consecration like always
opaque quest
But its gotten better
opaque quest
I just play everything
winged slate
Oh that's like the arcane orb thing
winged slate
Where you send it through 3 packs and are just like "uhhhhhh guys"
lusty grotto
early season you just didnt give a shit if it happened, but it never happened to chipadin
warm plinth
It hasn't pulled like a ton of mobs for me so far, so it's generally fine. Had it pull the disciple and another mob by raal and the patrol above witches
tribal wharf
arcane orb isnt that bad if you plan for it not to pull more stuff
lusty grotto
like cool we get extra count
lusty grotto
yeah its not TD bad
tawny briar
consecrate has forever had a Z-axis issue, pulling things above or below
warm plinth
It just angers you
winged slate
Solution: Delete consecration because it's a bad ability
tribal wharf
i like tol dagor very much outside of low hp second last and last bosses
tribal wharf
jes howlis is if you wipe on that fight omegalul
tawny briar
Solution: Delete consecration because it's a bad ability
I mostly agree, it's my most disliked part of pally tanking, being unkillable in consecrate, and super squishy outside it
tribal wharf
like, its a hard fight, but not really
winged slate
Consecration only continues to exist because it's remembered from old school wow days
and everyone is like OH REMEMBER WHEN YOU HIT LEVEL 40 AND CONSECRATION WAS YOUR FIRST AOE ABILITY
winged slate
What's even the % DR on consecration with current gear?
winged slate
We were talking about paladin
tribal wharf
too damn much, unless its less than whatever the other tanks counterparts to that spell are
crystal mauve
What's even the % DR on consecration with current gear?
20%
lusty grotto
no im pretty sure we were talking about ret
tribal wharf
nerf all paladin
tawny briar
Turns out both ret and prot have consecrate 😉
lusty grotto
except ret doesnt have DR on it so
tribal wharf
does holy really not
lusty grotto
🤷
tawny briar
No they do too lol
lusty grotto
holy does
tribal wharf
you figure it would be like a healing thing for holy
opaque quest
Turns out both ret and prot have consecrate 😉
Holy does too
Its their highest dmg in aoe
tawny briar
Do they still get it for free though? like they don't have to cast it?
tribal wharf
consecration = highest dps
crystal mauve
Ret doesn't have to manually put it down tho that's the thing. It would be much better if Consec was off GCD, I would stop complaining
tribal wharf
💀
opaque quest
You also increase wog heal in consec as holy
lusty grotto
ret does manually have to put it down, else youre talking the wrong talent
because blade of justice can consecrate if you take the talent
but you dont
maybe in ST
not in keys
crystal mauve
ret does manually have to put it down, else youre talking the wrong talent
I don't really play ret so I don't know but as far as I know theyt didn't have to bother. Might be wrong tho I just copy pasted the spec to chill in 20s with alts lol
crystal mauve
Do you know which talent makes it drop automatically? I'm wondering if my friend is using it
lusty grotto
well you shouldnt
tawny briar
servers are up
lusty grotto
winged slate
In fact, it looks like basically all of the top 20 use it
lusty grotto
well youre being dumb today
opaque quest
Top 20 focuses on other stuff than pure dps btw
winged slate
God forbid you come up with an argument other than "Don't take it"
winged slate
Lmao don't bring up pally then
lusty grotto
?
i didnt
portorhouse did
im just so confused at all this
what argument could you possibly want
because i guess thats what youre looking for
super random
but okay
ill bite
winged slate
I thought talent was good, you say it isn't, I checked to see if a lot of people take it, good players take it, you rage, you refuse to elaborate, you throw insults, then you say no this is warrior channel
tribal wharf
gogo vaults
lusty grotto
do you realize a lot of ret players just shot up on IO because of MDI 4 dps?
winged slate
Like it's fine but why talk about it at all if you weren't going to elaborate
lusty grotto
and they could just copy whatever
winged slate
I genuinely wanted an explanation for why 3800+ rets are using it
But it's supposed to be bad
lusty grotto
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/paladin/retribution/DAPQQBVRlBlQEQiBZUBQNVRVVEVFBhVVAVEQVQA ok which talent are they dropping for it
20% extra damage for 1 holy power point?
holy strike damage?
winged slate
lusty grotto
divine wrath?
grim pilot
yes
tribal wharf
winged slate
It's just a different tree I legitimately don't know
lusty grotto
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/paladin/retribution/DAPQUAVRlBkBUQiBZUCUANVR...
thats an ST build
tribal wharf
pretty sure thats what i want, i'll have to add food to ring/neck now but those boots seem okay
lusty grotto
in fact thats a tyrannical build
winged slate
Well it was tyrannical week so
tribal wharf
that or i can do glove
opaque quest
pretty sure thats what i want, i'll have to add food to ring/neck now but those ...
Take gloves fuck vers
tribal wharf
i got hero glove and thats 2/4 myth glove
tribal wharf
too bad they dont have leech
lusty grotto
anyway its half and half, its not really optimal
its just the best that you can do for a tyrannical key
cause rets are hyperfocused
warm plinth
@lusty grotto friend of mine played a key this morning with a paladin who didn't have rebuke talented 
winged slate
I guess the high tyrannical bosses take ages so you kinda need it right
lusty grotto
depends
opaque quest
Honestly i rather have someone that does more dmg than someone that talents interrupt and doesnt use it kekw
lusty grotto
pure ST bosses yea
anything with an add... ehh
most key bosses have adds
and having 1/2 blessed champ is rough for cleave too
kinda really depends on the key
but it shouldn't be that overwhelmingly used honestly
winged slate
I'm trying to think of what notable bosses even have adds that scare me... Deios mostly?
tribal wharf
in a sense, pig boss wcm
lusty grotto
dps brain doesnt care about if adds hurt or not
winged slate
Ozumat the adds die in like 0.1s so they're not much of a thing
lusty grotto
those are cc-able though
winged slate
WCM boss is only freaky because you play warrior since you can't really do much
You can storm bolt and then cheer your team on
lusty grotto
totem on tott
winged slate
If you walk out of melee you'll just kill people
winged slate
Yeah but the totem is just a full ST target swap, idk if that's really cleave territory
lusty grotto
only pure ST fight in ToTT is ulthokk pretty much
i mean if you can keep doing damage to boss, why wouldn't you
winged slate
Sure, but most classes aren't aoe on 2 target
lusty grotto
council in EB is 2 target cleave
winged slate
2 target is that awkward range for a lot
tribal wharf
havent run much throne this season, would like to get at it
winged slate
Throne is agony
lusty grotto
as a ret you should also be freedoming and running over roots on DHT tree
and you can cleave them down after that easily without it spawning adds
lusty grotto
i generally do
but
obviously that induces tilt when i never get it on war
tank awareness :\
winged slate
Or tiger's lust or whatever
I think people genuinely don't know
Unless you've tanked before or a tank has told you, how would you
winged slate
Obviously if you do giga high keys and watch big streamers you'd know but I don't think most people do
Like do <role> players ever watch <other role> streamers?
lusty grotto
well its also the issue where both VDH and Prot Pallies can just deal with it on their own... we can too but we need avatar for it
winged slate
Does vengeance have slow clear?
lusty grotto
i do on EB and on entangling weeks at least
winged slate
Oh shit cleanses all snares, that's big tech
I find it so awkward while tanking so I generally avoid it but that's good to know
I haven't done serious tanking on anything other than warrior this season
lusty grotto
ive dabbled, but not enough time for alts anymore
ive been doing 2-4 keys on them only
at least since last week
before that i was doing full vaults
lusty grotto
palworld really cut into my gaming time lol
what can you expect yogi
most people either have their good loot already
or they get fucked like me
winged slate
I only played a bunch last week because heroic cache
So I ran 5 tanks through + my priest
winged slate
I wish I liked fury this tier
lusty grotto
i prefer arms
but i cant deny fury is just tankier for prog so ive been considering it
winged slate
I like arms because execute is satisfying to hit, though currently it seems like mortal strike just hits harder than execute for me
I'm sure it's a skill issue, I haven't played enough arms this tier
Since I'm tanking for guild, and I'm one of a few tanks for keys
winged slate
I just mean that execute itself doesn't hit as hard as a mortal strike
lusty grotto
it buffs MS so yea
winged slate
Especially when you have 2x overpower and 2x execute stacks on it
lusty grotto
SD procs are still top prio with tier
winged slate
They buffed the clap recently right?
winged slate
So SD is actually mega aoe
lusty grotto
i run arms in my guild in raid so
not really focused on m+ build since i dont dps on those
but yeah execute is satisfying as arms
you also dont really wait until 2x 2x to MS, its used on cd
winged slate
I also just don't like the current iteration of fury with no (raging blow?)
winged slate
I thought during execute you ignored MS until it was 4x buffed
lusty grotto
nah
i mean i guess you could but maybe im wrong
i just do 2x EP, 1x OP most of the time
winged slate
Cause I thought it was basically
SD
MS with 4x buff
Execute above 40 rage
Fill with overpower
But idk
lusty grotto
when i said used on cd i meant outside of exe range
winged slate
Oh okay yeah
tribal wharf
bolstering fort, great lol
winged slate
Just kill everything evenly 4head
winged slate
I honestly hate entangling more
tribal wharf
personally whoever said it, i think panda was more when wow became meme
winged slate
The game knows when I'm doing Iridikron tank soak, and will entangling me while it's happening
tribal wharf
kungfu panda wow sold to chian its all over bros
winged slate
So I get to choose do I run out and kill the group, or do I stand still and get stunned and then kill the group
opaque quest
personally whoever said it, i think panda was more when wow became meme
Was me
Lore wise everything after panda was sheet
But Panda itself was pretty good. People didnt give it the chance it deserved because of muh panda chinese
Good raids
Good Dungeons
Scenarios
CHALLENGE MODES
Class Design
Lore
warm plinth
Idk mop is one of the most popular expansions.
opaque quest
Took 10 years for ppl to admit it was good
urban portal
I like arms because execute is satisfying to hit, though currently it seems like...
yes thats the intent
winged slate
I want sexecute to feel like the sauce man
urban portal
they dont want execute to be a 1 button rotation
(it is)
legion levels of jamming execute will never be back
opaque quest
"Lets bring 3 arms for EoA"
tribal wharf
codemn or gtfo
winged slate
If BM hunter can exist in its current state, execute only gaming can exist
opaque quest
I just had my second round of 4 bots in 2 days of overwatch. Its ridiculous what happend to this game wtf
pliant thorn
If I’m prot spec can I still get Lego
violet ginkgo
Yes
even if you set the loot on prot you still get leggo, at least that's what happened to me last week when I got mine
opaque quest
You can get lego. But you wont. Its an illusion
opaque quest
100% just be the class
tribal wharf
You can get lego. But you wont. Its an illusion
ya l ike yogi chances at 3k io
doesnt exist, probably
opaque quest
Last season 3k was everything 23 or 22. Pretty sure when i hit it i had every dungeon in 23 and 22 on either side
tribal wharf
i mean i do have a portal to wcm and video to prove i ran it not robots or somethin
yogi 20 wehn was always the meme, meme dead
might kill it further some push week, run a 24 25 wcm sayt i did it
torn gulch
3k io is all 22's with 4-5 23s
tribal wharf
thats before you count in 2 and 3 chests a bit too though
torn gulch
thta's not that big of a change
tribal wharf
you get some bonus points for that, which you can only do a 21 or 20 of another then if 23 3 chest is good
tribal wharf
like, if i have a 3 chest 18, i have to minimum 2 chest a 19 to see increase in io typically
torn gulch
wrong
untold mural
Yeah that’s not true lol
torn gulch
the difference between levels is 10 points
tribal wharf
maybe im thinking of what io shows as the best run
torn gulch
unless it's the secondary key for a dungeon
untold mural
Pretty sure if you had a best of 18 would be something like +3 io for 2 chest, +6 io for 3 chest, +9-10 for timed 19 one chest
torn gulch
it's not even that high
untold mural
And then those gains are divided by 3 for the off-best side of the meter
torn gulch
your 18 is the main key here and the 13 is your secondary
if you do a 19 tyr
you get like 10 points
in this case
tribal wharf
the first pull of dht has given me problems on fort, but i've got more gear now so that might help it if i go back
winged slate
like, if i have a 3 chest 18, i have to minimum 2 chest a 19 to see increase in ...
Yo nice cropping discord
Pretend these aren't cropped like shit
torn gulch
so like i said except 2 and 3 stars are even less difference
winged slate
I just wanted to show similar keys with similar +
tribal wharf
ya, doesnt do it as bad on phone, am aware of that issue if u want to call it one
torn gulch
it's like 1-2 for +2 and 2-3 for +3
tribal wharf
ya, i guess your right, its not really that many points
winged slate
The huge bulk of your points comes from getting a baseline
tribal wharf
nice when you do a key thinking you will get 10 io and you get 22
winged slate
What I would honestly recommend is just look at your little spreadsheet of dungeons and work on the ones that are low
tribal wharf
i want to run fall probably
winged slate
I can't login now but I think the r.io addon has a compact version of this which I use a lot
It's nice to see which dungeons are my best/worst, and spend time looking for those keys
So for my DH I should've run dawn last week
opaque quest
Thats what im doing too. Always running my lowest key
tribal wharf
what key i runs depends on the context
winged slate
That's not true, you always run waycrest
tribal wharf
so far, yes, only hero butcher block remains from there, and io
opaque quest
That's not true, you always run waycrest
winged slate
Mate I count 85 WCM on your profile
opaque quest
tribal wharf
it was 100 lairs
opaque quest
Dude has done more WCM in a shorter time than i did keys at all last season lmfao
tribal wharf
so ya
opaque quest
Yogi you should raid the shower sometimes
lusty grotto
nope cause that trinket is ass
if you were selling it i would take it
but you arent cause you put pics of your trinket hoarding all the time
covert flower
Any mid-high level keys actually runnable this week?
Waycrest probably right, I guess AD/BRH maybe
lusty grotto
on that range everything is runnable
tribal wharf
atal dazar is mostly final boss, but i dont want to talk about that again right now
lusty grotto
bolstering only really affect minibosses
covert flower
to run 26s I'd probably be needing to be a 27/28 player I reckon
covert flower
Rise last pull 😄
lusty grotto
runeweavers
covert flower
Kill the adds you buff the dragon, kill evenly then all 3 will be up the entire time
lusty grotto
but everyone should be tunneling runeweavers anyway
you kill the dragon
dodging the 2 dudes is easy
tribal wharf
way crest was an easy reliable source of many things i wanted
lusty grotto
dodge and kick, thats it
tribal wharf
something i was familiar with, lair i never did until s2
covert flower
You don't dodge their aoe xd
tribal wharf
but i am now big fan of lair
tribal wharf
halls of valor as well, i became familiar with that dungeon
covert flower
Dude
you can't avoid the aoe damage that hits you no matter what
they pulse aoe like the big dragon does
just less damage
It's for your group not you obviously
covert flower
No but on a 26 fortified with 2 of them going
see how much damage is going out
Normally you ass blast them asap
to get the group dmg low
lusty grotto
why are you asking then if you dont want feedback
covert flower
I didn't ask how to do that pull
tribal wharf
something about healers cant zone into keys
covert flower
I know it's fucked xd
tribal wharf
no idea
winged slate
World servers shitting themselves for anyone else? Struggling to collect vaults atm
tribal wharf
lusty grotto
i mean the big damage comes from the dragon, you can cleave little guys its not fucking rocket science
by the time the dragon dies, they'll be low enough
tribal wharf
2nd healer it happened to in a row fo rus
lusty grotto
literal common sense on bolstering week
covert flower
Yeah except on 26
lusty grotto
stop saying 26 like we dont fucking run them
covert flower
you definitely need them dead, because you can't tank all 3 xd
lusty grotto
you cant tank them?
covert flower
dude the rank 1 rise key last time around was a 28 on bolstering it's not far off
lusty grotto
?>??
lusty grotto
are you done?
covert flower
xd
covert flower
Only the tank takes damage there xd?
lusty grotto
xD
covert flower
definitely aren't running with a group xd?
lusty grotto
okay xd
winged slate
TIL that "tank them" actually means "The group damage is quite high"
covert flower
just dodge the small adds damage bro
lusty grotto
sure xd
lusty grotto
easy xd
covert flower
the big dragon is the only thing that matters
yet the 2 small ones do more damage
wow!
that's crazy
covert flower
that's so crazy actually
lusty grotto
ecks dee
karmic plinth
dont tell bro that healers exist
lusty grotto
xd
lusty grotto
ez xd
winged slate
man 11k or 7k x2
Can't even count lmao
karmic plinth
i wonder if he realises that 11 + 7 > 7 + 7
covert flower
it is, but where are you getting 11 + 7 from
winged slate
11,530 * 5 = 57,650
6,918 * 3 * 2 = 41,508
covert flower
No no I understand the duration difference, that's fine, because that dragon has way more health and the small ones damage can be dropped faster except
you then bolster the big dragon xd
lusty grotto
xd
warm plinth
Well, tbf, 40% inc on dragon is still less damage than having both adds up
covert flower
No of course, no1 is arguing that, my point is that the pull is just fucked no matter what you do
lusty grotto
do you have a fucking choice? who knew
☝️
covert flower
yeah but your solution earlier was to just kill the big dragon and dodge the small one circles
lusty grotto
xd
lusty grotto
whatever works for your heals
covert flower
freak answer
warm plinth
In the sense of it being a pain either way, yes. But killing the adds is still safer is what I'm saying even if you're bolstering the dragon.
lusty grotto
xd
same reason double dragon is a lust pull
same reason maiden is the first lust pull
and not the sentinel like they do in low 20s
keeper or w/e
covert flower
Double dragon is fine because it's the same pull bolstering or not
covert flower
like last pull you always barely even get the small adds down on higher fort keys, then you need to do that into eating a bolstered aoe from the dragon it's just rough
lusty grotto
i member that game ghash
covert flower
anyways it's not like it's not gonna be like this the whole week it's just afk go other game week
warm plinth
It was fun
waxen cradle
Hey guys I need a second opinion I do not have Rageheart, or the cheat death trinket from Fall, nor do I have Augury, but seeing as I do have a mythic shield do you recommend opening as Prot loot spec or dps loot spec
lusty grotto
i have mythic shield and i open as prot
cause rageheart is strong for pushing, if you dont push go dps
cheat isnt a consideration
hero track cheat does the same thing as myth track
so you shouldnt even consider it
just farm a hero track and thats it
waxen cradle
cool was leaning that direction, but its also tough as hell to get Augury I too am a member of the no rageheart/augury club
tribal wharf
well, the TW gave me the neck
lusty grotto
and then you just perma one
tribal wharf
and i have craft neck so rip bozo
lusty grotto
realistically you want rageheart first
tribal wharf
didnt even get a transmog
lusty grotto
so you can just nap on dps loot specs
and never change it until next season
at least thats my logic
waxen cradle
cool thanks for the second opinion was leaning that way but a second opinion helps
tribal wharf
should neck transmogs be a thing now that we have gpus with more than 256 mb of vram
like, 20 pixels total
waxen cradle
honestly it would be cool if they made necks and rings and shit show up on us
but as necks are under our armor anyway unrealistic
tribal wharf
rings too, rings would be piss easy, silver or gold band and a sparkly bit maybe
necks there would be enough to do advanced models, rings you'd only ever need very basic tech
winged slate
Yo these wow servers are pretty good for a small indie company
Did this game just come out
tribal wharf
multi dollar company
winged slate
I'm gonna go play roblox
lusty grotto
i dont think they have a model for accesories, and making a revamp of it would cost a lot more that could go on more important things
newer mmos obviously have them
it would be a "nice to have" at best, i guess, but not a lot of people would be interested in them i feel
accessories have unique graphics/art on xiv and i dont think ive ever given a shit about them lol
winged slate
If you told me that there were or weren't models for necklaces in game currently I would believe you
lusty grotto
they're just.. there
winged slate
I don't look at my character that close
I play M+ and raid, I see my character's ass
winged slate
and from whatever the max zoom is
I couldn't even tell you what race my characters are
The only reason I know my warrior is a void elf is because that racial does nothing
lusty grotto
true and real
waxen frigate
lusty grotto
❤️
lusty grotto
i see how it is
opaque quest
I play M+ and raid, I see my character's ass
I only see the top of my characters. I wanna see shit so i play wow top down
warm plinth
Nice, when's my free fyrakk kill?
tribal wharf
what went wrong here? just a big pull and bolster? i show at the end of clip that i was blocking the attacks
i think its when i go to the maggot i get hit in back by the thorns gaurd
warm plinth
Yeah you gotta stop charging mid pack. You're charging through other mobs which opens up your back to them.
And then you got finished off by the tankbuster from the steward
covert flower
Think you move through the mobs way too much
just be a wall
also those stewards hurt they attack twice or something don't underestimate their dmg
warm plinth
Stand still unless you're forced to move. We shouldn't be bouncing around in trash packs.
Leaping out just to charge in again is pointless
tribal wharf
what i see from that clip is i block all but like some 86k melee , and then theres some huge hit i took even as a block 223k
warm plinth
You took melees in the back from every mob in the pack except the one you charged to
lusty grotto
you got astro fucked in the butt like ghash is saying
warm plinth
That's why your health plummeted toward the end