I'd consider dropping cheat death on tyran weeks for that signet
#protection
grand veldt
pliant trout
honestly not worth it, but ofc depends on the keys you do. it's in a way irresponsible from tank to not run cheat death, cause in case something happens it mostly likely will brick the key. just because tank wanted to do some more dps, but in case of fall last boss it makes total sense on tyra it's very easy there to wipe on the dps race. probably also for eb last boss, depends on dungeon mostly and your comp.
grand veldt
honestly not worth it, but ofc depends on the keys you do. it's in a way irrespo...
I am the only person who would agree that cheat death is pretty important to run
the VAST majority of the people in here would disagree with that statement
so just be aware you are hyper minority here
sullen gust
Hey guys I had a couple questions about DHT if anyone gets a minute. First I want to ask about Oakheart. In terms of avoiding damage, can we leap from every/every other frontal? And for the grips, is reflect up for every grip, and I assume each hit is spell blockable?
Then for the last boss, is there any finesse in how I could position the boss to avoid the most ammount swirlies?
winged slate
Most people just aren't running keys that even warrant a cheat
grand veldt
Hey guys I had a couple questions about DHT if anyone gets a minute. First I wan...
You can leap every nightmare breath
opal forum
i think most people pretend they are better then they actualy are
cheat death is super valuable
the timer is easy if nobody dies unless ur trying to set a WR
grand veldt
Hey guys I had a couple questions about DHT if anyone gets a minute. First I wan...
You can use spell reflect for the grip but spell block does nothing and it doesn't help reduce damage on that fight, spell reflect does 25% dr, you wanna save demo shout depending how high the key is
opal forum
so cheat death will save u keys often
grand veldt
cheat death lets me take risks that i would normally not take
bigger pulls than I would normally feel safe taking
opal forum
i mean also in lower keys
the dps increase that you'll gain from another trinket
is useless most of the time
might just be 100% sure to stay alive
the timers this season are rly generous
deplete this season happen when full wype happens, almost never by not making enough dps
winged slate
Sure if you're pushing what's challenging for you and your group. But if you're just weekly key gaming... You're probably not in danger unless you're misplaying hard.
And in those cases, as you said the timer is generous. You're almost certainly not bricking the key
opal forum
well i mean
i feel like it would be dumb to deplete a weekly key because you were not focused and didnt had cheat death
winged slate
Do whatever you want honestly, cheat just is not that valuable for the vast majority of players
opal forum
i would always run it even in easy content
but i mean
yea
not everyone would agree with what i say
winged slate
Again, one wipe doesn't brick
opal forum
it might make people leave tho
but again, i like to play safe
some people might like the risk reward
winged slate
It's not much of a risk lol
opal forum
yeah i know especially for weekly
winged slate
Especially on a warrior
winged slate
Now if we were talking about blood and we were discussing whether or not you should run purgatory than yeah, it's a completely different discussion
winged slate
Well good news. Trinkets are a lot more than 2% of my total damage lol
Just look above where signet did 11%
If I really want a powerful defensive trinket, I'll typically just use my rageheart.
Does good aoe, and a 900k absorb is massive with our mitigation
opal forum
yea if you manage to keep ur signet up you can do alot of dmg for sure
but again, just personnal preference
in hard key i rly like the cheat death
and in weekly
i like to super chill
winged slate
It's fine if you're not confident in your ability to live
That's usually just a get better moment
opal forum
im not confident in my ability to focus
opal forum
well again
its personnal preference
you think cheat death is useless in easy key
i think doing more dps is useles in easy key
winged slate
Maybe you just play like Yogi
opal forum
it save me once when i was the last one alive on xavius and i had that red circle
and it saved the key
so ill keep using it
but i totally understand why people like the dps one
i just dont care
lusty grotto
the VAST majority of the people in here would disagree with that statement
thats not accurate at all
we dont disagree, we just disagree depending on key level
anything above 26 is fair game for it
even 25s
grand veldt
i mean if you look up cheat death in this discord
lusty grotto
anything low 20s depends on your ilvl
lusty grotto
because the vast majority of lurkers here
arent pushing past a certain level
you are the minority
you cannot recommend cheat death outright to people doing 18s
grand veldt
yeah i understand that
lusty grotto
its an incredibly weird recommendation
so thats why we speak against it
we understand how the vast majority of m+ player arent anywhere near levels most regulars here do
including you, including me
so unless they specify, or we ask
we go under the assumption that they are just talking low key levels
relatively speaking
opal forum
i just dont see how a dps increase on the tank will statisticaly make you time more keys then a cheat death even in lower key
key is NEVER a dps issue in lower keys
why would you take a dps trinket
lusty grotto
youre probably not doing enough dps as it is
opal forum
if ur talking about threat i could see that
but recomending signet over cheat death to someone dooing lower key (so probly not a top tier player mechanicaly and dosent chain pull perfectly)
idk man
lusty grotto
right
opal forum
aiming to go much higher
lusty grotto
so you cant say 180k is negligible
opal forum
it is not
but you rly dont need that much dps in 18
it wont help you not failing the key
cuz in 18 if the key is failed
most likely is due to wype
lusty grotto
but you also arent at the risk of dying on an 18
opal forum
yeah, you need to mess up pretty bad
lusty grotto
so why bother
opal forum
but 18+ player dont play like 28+ players
and as long as they can keep threat
they should 100% focus on anything that will help them survive, even if it looks silly for more experienced player
lusty grotto
i think youre focusing on people that arent used to 18s
opal forum
but i mean thats just my opinion
lusty grotto
when just about everyone do 18s for vault
opal forum
i know people dont agree with it
lusty grotto
and i mean EVERYONE
opal forum
and in that grand scheme of everyone
theres a lot of shit player
that will aggro half of the map on everblooom (for exemple)
and if ur not used to do big keys
it might get scary for some people
lusty grotto
that doesnt mean anything in the context of this discussion
opal forum
and this is how you deplete a key in 18
lusty grotto
even more so you would rather carry as dps on tank
opal forum
everyone is full stuff anyway and do way more dmg then they should for that lvl of content
lusty grotto
i dont see where youre going with this
opal forum
im saying that
in my opinion
if you do 100 keys with signet and 100 keys with cheat death
in 18
saying ur an averagve 18 tank
ur gonna time more keys with cheat death
lusty grotto
nope i disagree on 18s
warm plinth
In my opinion, if you do 100 keys with signet, and 100 keys with cheat death, the amount of timed keys will not change, because a wipe doesn't = deplete in an 18
opal forum
it might make someone leave
resulting a deplete
happens all the time
anyway this is personnal preference a this point imo
if you feel 100% confident without it, you can go signet for sure
lusty grotto
it might make someone leave
is this your experience?
there are 3 groups of people doing 18s
these are the types of players that are coming in here:
group 1: new players to tanking and/or m+ in general
group 2: dps/healer players that have done 18s before and are new to tanking
group 3: vault runners for myth track items
g1: recommending cheats is a crutch, in this key level, the problem with recommeding it in this discord and channel is that they become entirely dependent on it on content that they do not need it on, and we can help in ways to identify specifically what they did wrong instead so they dont repeat that mistake. If we do this successfully, they will learn their lesson for a long time and even while running cheat in much higher keys (where it would be needed), they'll understand what they need to do to not have a preventable death happen
g2: more or less the same thing, except these players are usually easier to explain to, there's not a lot of difference other than that
opal forum
is this your experience?
personnal experience as a tank and a dps yeah
lusty grotto
g3: these players are just lazy and copying whoever does high keys without understand what theyre losing
if a player leaves
because of a tank death
they do not deserve to time the key
opal forum
i mean
lusty grotto
and so there's nothing lost
opal forum
i dont care what people do
lusty grotto
specifically on an 18
lusty grotto
thats the problem
in order to push up
you need to run keys
and you need to die
and you need to deplete
because thats the absolute best way to learn how get past that key range
so its not "wasting time"
at all
every single rank 1 tank
opal forum
well i dont disagree with what u said
opal forum
if we see if from that point of view
lusty grotto
they just kept going
opal forum
trying to actually improve
you're probably right
but i dont think most people in 18+ are rly aiming to push high keys
lusty grotto
yeah they all fall into those 3 groups more or less
opal forum
and someone that is trying to push high keys and is just doing is weekly, is probly not gonna learn much from weeklys anyway
but 100% agree with the concept of puting urself more at risk to actually improve
opal forum
yeah my case ahah
lusty grotto
i.e. just for weekly
opal forum
been playing for 1month
so still have shit gear
can only run my own keys in 24/25 cuz nobody will invite a 473 prot war at this stage of the season
so i do rly need those 8 keys ahah
lusty grotto
thats how it goes
but the silver lining here, is that youll start fated season running instead of walking
so to speak
opal forum
yeah
lusty grotto
also
you should really craft some items, even with just enchanted wyrms
you can def get that ilvl up with just crated items
so there are other ways
opal forum
i didnt do any raid beside lfr until this week
that didnt helped
i have one 486 gear with the shadowflame
ill do the other one tomorow probly
but i dont mind
i still easily tank 24-25
so im in no rush
im aiming at 28 but i need to go through the lower keys before that
and ill get gear along the way
warm plinth
you can def get that ilvl up with just crated items
I'd like to get your ilevel up
gottem
lusty grotto
tribal wharf
i forgot how bad/good of a show baybewatch was until it came on tv now
tribal wharf
you got it
babe watch, cuz there always a girl in a swim suit in it lmao, at least makes the bad acting sufferable to watch through
tribal wharf
the selection of channels on my smart tvs for free are........... lacking. 😦
weather channels and black and white movies and sell your home
opaque quest
I only use my smart tv for youtube netflix and the browser
tribal wharf
probably plug the one im running now into pc some point
opaque quest
Its not even connected to the TV plug
tribal wharf
3rd monitor, same resolution as webcamera
opaque quest
Use a steam link for PC
Thats what i do
Im not sure how i did it but steam link just sets my tv to native 4k
opaque quest
Is that in freedom units?
Oh nvm
There is a C im dumb
We are in the double digit + here now
How far up north are you?
jagged gust
The worst part is it was +3 when the week started
grand veldt
@strong forum a while back i asked what amount of mastery you'd think we'd need for 50% chance to crit block
it looks like it's way less than we thought
less than 5k for 50%
we thuoght 7 or 8k might be needed
imma test this shit out on tourney realm some more
tribal wharf
whatever that sword is i need to get it
grand veldt
ahha
I don't think it actually exists yet
it's like a datamined model
speculationg it'd be on the tendy thing
opaque quest
Looks like future trading post material ngl
grand veldt
yeah
opaque quest
speculationg it'd be on the tendy thing
Beat me to it fml
opaque quest
That isnt to bad
grand veldt
i only ahve to drop 5% vers for it
opaque quest
Maybe next season
grand veldt
yeah
idk i might make a set for 2nd boss in wcm
on a 27 tyran i had to put him in fire once then not again
but i'd like to just do it without fires
and i think crit block can make that happen
tribal wharf
my belt sucks but also there is no other good belts easily available
covert flower
but i'd like to just do it without fires
This is probably super troll but
I'm already on the Vers sucks train now and
Was thinking of shifting some of it into mastery
Cx
grand veldt
im waiting for a friend to come on tournament realm with me
im gonna test both builds
tribal wharf
but i'd like to just do it without fires
this s only a 17 or 18, but if you want to do no fires, sure, go ahead, be my guest
covert flower
I tank 25 without clearing
Probably would die on 26+
It gets really close for me and I start getting like 90%ed through normal block
opaque quest
Clearing also heavily depends on your DPS
tribal wharf
i guess you could say.... youre playing with fire....
opaque quest
i guess you could say.... youre playing with fire....
grand veldt
91 stacks on this one https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tB6NjkdgaKRxwnAf#fight=13&pull=10&type=summary
tribal wharf
no u
grand veldt
opaque quest
Yea tru
grand veldt
i just tell people dont burn anything on me till cheat trinket
26 tyran did feel like a threshold though
thats why im checking out crit block
covert flower
That's why we play pwarr dude
tribal wharf
i just clear stacks at like, 40 now
covert flower
We want to facetank 100 stacks and feel like a god
covert flower
Why else would you play this spec
grand veldt
so real for that milan
tribal wharf
good until he slaps me for 1.18 million on 17
grand veldt
he only does it 4 times
then he casts crush
and then soul thorns
you have to not be spending enough rage on your ignore pains
tribal wharf
i never worry about the tree boss ever
grand veldt
yogi never lets down
tribal wharf
i don't think i have ever wiped due to him maybe 1 time of the 100 times i did it this season
grand veldt
man tanks back first everything
covert flower
Clearing makes a non hectic fight hectic
grand veldt
i was actually so sad MDI time trials didnt have wcm
covert flower
Like you're adding big group dmg spawning the little shitter adds moving the boss like
grand veldt
I had a whole route designed around invising the captains
to pull trash on to the 2nd boss
since it would be just a 23
prot war could definitely tank trash during that fight
opaque quest
Nokhud?^^
tribal wharf
no, the air one
opaque quest
Oh
covert flower
Wind
opaque quest
Vortex Pinnacle
tribal wharf
thats an example of old dungeon that translated really well into a keystone
opaque quest
Apart from the 50 dispells you needed yea
tribal wharf
it was hold w with checkpoints to nearest platform if you died
was beautiful
wcm something else..... ah shit... shaman died.. hes the healer.... guess we gotta wait 3 minutes while he runs back to us confused
opaque quest
If you gotta wait 3 mins just make sure he doesnt release and pick him up
But yea i get the point
covert flower
Laughs in DHT checkpoint
tribal wharf
in EZ mode world, its you get a check point every single boss
players would be happy but it will be too easy
covert flower
Yeah checkpoints should be consistent dungeon to dungeon
No more than 30 seconds lost on a run
From running
tribal wharf
should be a visible gravestone the pops up when one is active
covert flower
Your punishment for dying is -5s on the timer, and the slowing down of your progression through the dungeon
tribal wharf
like castlevania 4 intro shit
covert flower
The run back doesn't need to make it worse
tribal wharf
big old tombstone lifts out of the ground close to where you will respawn, and it show on the map now
something you dont have to explain to player that this is what it is, they see it and immediately know
what ai art thinks it should look like
grand veldt
so
I was watching the MDI and noticed that locks have a fun new skip with their portals
grand veldt
You gotta think big brother
karmic plinth
theres deffo some big skip better players than me could set up with that
blazing condor
i mean if only the warrior can do it
and snapping isnt a thing anymore
then idk
blazing condor
fax
opaque quest
Thats one of the just because you could doesnt mean you should situations
echo egret
The worst part is that every random pug dps will now insult you for not planning this skip in your route
hazy bronze
They were too intimidated by you
tribal wharf
i never seen that happen to my knowledge lol
opaque quest
They were too intimidated by you
Fuck i wanted to make that same joke
Every monster in the land knows about yogi
covert flower
Wait you never had the gorger bug?
Dude they're so wack like constantly just no threat on them and shit
tribal wharf
they mostly kill dps from what i see, always figured i didnt do something right if i didnt have agro on them
covert flower
No dude they just straight up randomly lose aggro
Like when I do big pulls from inside out into the courtyard area
I throw a ravager down at the los, Ava, roar all that shit
I'll see a gorger eat all that and just start having threat on a DPS
Could shield charge one to the face and watch it walk to a DPS after
With threat on them
opaque quest
Skill issue
Yogi cant have threat issues. Even with the bug yogi does infinite damage
hazy bronze
Yogi lets mobs hit him in the back for their benefit
When you got cake like that, you share it
toxic pewter
still waiting for my pro-rated refunds for all the downtime since wow was created
tribal wharf
something like that happened to me on world of tanks
got a ton of extra gold for no reason
opaque quest
still waiting for my pro-rated refunds for all the downtime since wow was create...
Back in the day blizz gave out gametime for missed days or hours
But that was before koshit
opaque quest
WoD launch kek
tribal wharf
all i remember is i got some disgusting amount of gold back
was some rediculous number like 100k gold or 200k gold
which for reference a tank in that game lvl 8 (of 10) premium is like 10-20k gold
used to play it alot
lusty tiger
WoD launch kek
Can you boost me in Overwatch
tribal wharf
no, it just reinforces what i already think about them lol
which i dont see it as a bad thing
opaque quest
Can you boost me in Overwatch
Im not even in masters again. Im omega Dia1 stuck 
torn gulch
i mean retch is controllable+being caught into stewart bell is healers fault
opaque quest
Can you boost me in Overwatch
PS: Pretty sure im gonna uninstall again with mauga still being the only viable tank
Everytime i play tank i either play mauga or we lose
Im so sick of it
tribal wharf
limpid orbit
Why are all the shield mogs in this game poopy
tribal wharf
i think they are just fine
limpid orbit
i need some big ish
limpid orbit
Blackrock bulwark is what im looking for tpye of deal
but then it locks u to certain mogs its size and swag u know ?
tribal wharf
i really would like to get the steel instead of rusted color variation of the back pack i have
could do other similiar but better transmogs
more boring silvery shining armor
warm plinth
rofl were you guys just passing the boss disease around to each other?
tribal wharf
we had alot of mistakes that key towards the end
someone pulled the whole lady lord room trash and we lived that though
but i stood in the pink swirls on boss and took alot of dmg, had to reset when i died to swirl
torn gulch
Why are all the shield mogs in this game poopy
there are some that are not poopy
like bulwark of azzinoth or the warrior hidden artifact appearance
opaque quest
Mage tower warr is bis shield
tribal wharf
opaque quest
Ok sorry sir lordaeron
tribal wharf
i got this shield for if i ever go alliance
opaque quest
Dont break your arm larping
tribal wharf
thats how i feel about that shield
that shield looks amazing despite it imnplies its only for allaince
warm night
i need some big ish
It's an old texture because it's from TBC, but Brutal Gladiator's Shield Wall is a nice-looking huge shield. The only thing that looks even remotely big enough on my Worgen. There's a red/gold version that drops from the Sunwell Plateau, too.
limpid orbit
i like the maw shields the long spiked one too
tribal wharf
opaque quest
Whats the maw
tribal wharf
this shield is fairly large size when used too
tribal wharf
i need to do torghast cuz shoulders
opaque quest
i need a healer that plays similar to warrior
Holy Pala
limpid orbit
makes sense
opaque quest
Just get ready for 40 different mouse over bindings for all the blessings
You need 4 alone for blessing of summer/winter/etc
limpid orbit
is ret like arms ?
blazing condor
press the glowy buttons
warm plinth
That would be fuckin weird
Having a shield on your back and in your hand 
plus then where does your shield sheathe?
blazing condor
on ur other shield
violet ginkgo
Having a shield on your back and in your hand <:keks:936231610850897992>
Tbf we as a warrior need dual wield shield as a spec, moar shield slamming
tribal wharf
how about 210 degrees of blocking intesad of 180
violet ginkgo
might as well go for 270
violet ginkgo
360 is too much I think XD
violet ginkgo
270 at least you have "90 degree weakspot"on back
tribal wharf
well sure 360 block but if its fully behind only blocks 25% instead of normal, 10%
thats only way that can exists
winged slate
Just face the mobs lol
violet ginkgo
No andy no!
tribal wharf
terrible idea
obsidian girder
Hey, just a noob question, flat spamming revenge in aoe and prioritizing it over shield slam is a bad idea ?
Cannot get rid of my rage otherwise
warm plinth
Yes, it's a bad idea. That's what Ignore Pain is for.
torn gulch
ignore pain is your main rage dump
revenge is only used on free procs and when SS and TC are on cooldown which is faily rare
obsidian girder
Okay
So just the clapping and shield slamming beside ip and shieldblock
Do I want to Always sync demo and avatar ? Or just send them when ready
violet ginkgo
Do I want to Always sync demo and avatar ? Or just send them when ready
I think someone ever said it to me, up to heroic raid it's ok to demo and avatar on sync, but for mythic You will always send avatar but keep demo as defensive tool.
As for mythic... If it is sync then send it but usually it won't sync because you will pick thunderlord talent which mean your demo will way come up faster, which is obviously nice since you can debuff a lot of mobs more often.
hardy snow
I think someone ever said it to me, up to heroic raid it's ok to demo and avatar...
thats bullsh*t in terms of raiding, they might be some situation when you dont have any CD/external available and indeed you must save demo for that moment, but such situation is very rare, usually combine demo with shield charge
obsidian girder
Ty for feedback
warm plinth
Do I want to Always sync demo and avatar ? Or just send them when ready
Assuming you're playing this season's build (meaning you have Thunderlord), you just send them on cooldown.
obsidian girder
👍
warm plinth
Avatar never gets held regardless
Because you can't reduce its CD if it's not on cooldown
blazing condor
without thunderlord you'd sync up shield charge with demo shout
since they share cds
warm plinth
yerp
covert flower
do we ever hold avatar for resetting lasher stacks
warm plinth
You could but if you have any other method to remove them, that would be preferable (e.g. tiger's lust, blessing of freedom)
Personally I don't find that I get enough stacks for it to be scary before the pack dies, especially on tyr week
even 12 stacks I'm sitting pretty comfy
strong forum
These are raid talents
blazing condor
maybe he's thinking "raid = strong ST heal = strong for bosses = good since its tyr"
tribal wharf
he said i should be scared or something cuz his talents
we did just fine actually, under 20 minute run im pretty sure
charred ivy
so u guys run into fray when alot haste? 🙂
craggy pendant
hi everyone, is the wowhead guide for prot the most up to date or should i use the pinned build here? thanks in advance
violet ginkgo
These are raid talents
speaking of talent, which boss(es) we don't need spellblock?
tribal wharf
tragedy struck 19 wcm but timed it
those pink swirls from lady waycrest man
those things hurt so damn much when she spams them
tribal wharf
ya, just harder when she does the more of them atack, dunno the difference
torn gulch
you just stutter step
when she casts them
and you don't have to move that much
plus if you play your spell reflect right you can catch almost every wasting strike
i end up with insane dps on that boss
tribal wharf
things like that im bad at reflecting
azure dust shards, what does it do? who the hell knows
torn gulch
you can pulverise both the hags and lord waycrest
of course if the dps does not troll and kick the primary target
instead of the secondary ones
tribal wharf
ya, is nice when able to control reflect and kick on active witches
torn gulch
a lot of pug dps just kick main target and it's actual trolling especially with a prot warrior
tribal wharf
well, yes and no cuz its like 2.5 to 3.5 casts of bolts between reflects
torn gulch
nope
tribal wharf
and in groups without us reflect from main witch doesnt really exists
torn gulch
you can reflect one kick one maybe one hits you then you can reflect again
and you normally get like 3-4 casta per hag half hp
strong forum
speaking of talent, which boss(es) we don't need spellblock?
volcoross and council
tribal wharf
its reflect number 1, u kick number 2, and then group assists with 3rd kick
tribal wharf
figure it out on 4th probably have reflect
torn gulch
3rd kick not needed
you just eat it
it's more important for dps to kick secondary targets because that can actually kill them
especially the higher you go
tribal wharf
no, active witch gets like +3 energy for sucessful cast of bolt or other spell as long as that wasnt changed
torn gulch
main target casts on the tank only
torn gulch
no, active witch gets like +3 energy for sucessful cast of bolt or other spell a...
i've never seen that before I only know that they get passive 2 energy per 1.5s of them being active
via focusing iris
tribal wharf
typically you transition each one before they get anywhere close to doing that
torn gulch
i know the 100 energy cast dire ritual but i've never seen it and i've done up to 26
tribal wharf
and it resets, so usually, its not a problem more a problem if dps is slow, mc extended
you don't want to see dire ritual
torn gulch
but that is the problem of the group not a problem if bolt casts go on tank
again if i see dire ritual then that is a complete failure
of the group
opaque quest
scarlet holly
Am I the only one or nobody wants prot warriors above 26… ? I have timed 6 x 26 and nobody wants me for 27 (6 days now that I queue for 8h each day). When I try to make my key it is only ppl with like 400-500 less rio that sign up. Are we that bad compared to VDH and PPala or what?
P.s. these are my logs
covert flower
Well let's take all the factors into consideration here
First of all, people very rarely take people who aren't currently running the key level they're listing, if not sometimes wanting them to be a key level up in play
So the people with 27s see you don't have a timed 27 then don't have any desire to take you
Second is what you've said, it's Tyrannical week, prot warrior brings rallying cry and that's about it to a group in terms of defensive utility, their mob control is 1/3rd of vdh and their group defensives/utility isn't close to prot pally
Third of all, just remember, you're also competing against any other tanks that apply to these keys, ask yourself
Do you look like the tank that group wants to take when you show up in the applicants list?
knotty pewter
you could have 3600 io this season as a prot warrior and not expect to get invited to 27 pugs.
strong forum
Am I the only one or nobody wants prot warriors above 26… ? I have timed 6 x 26 ...
in 27s youre not only getting other classes but also way higher rio signups
the higher you go, the more you compete with higher ranked people
and people get alot more picky
like im almost 3.6k and i barely get invited to 28s cuz i compete with 3.7k people + meta picks
but to 25/26s i get practically insta invited (despite not needing them) cuz i only compete with 3.4k people
knotty pewter
i think its much easier to pug above 27 as a dps war as well
the meta tanks are just way too impactful on almost all of these dungeons
echo egret
I guenuinely wonder how many 27s pugs are successful without voice comms
tribal wharf
even then, you need functioning brains and reflexes
and a will to care (x5 for each player in party)
grim pilot
like im almost 3.6k and i barely get invited to 28s cuz i compete with 3.7k peop...
how you get invited to 28's
mf
I struggle to get invited to 25
strong forum
Once in a blue moon
grim pilot
tbh I genuinely think
I would have bigger chance of getting invited
if I applied as tank
with dps rio
to even higher key lvl
opal forum
my delusional ass thinking i will get more invite once ill get better gear 😳
i guess ill keep runing my own keys
winged slate
Consider painting your health bar purple
hearty terrace
Hey have we picked next sessions set? If so what is it?
strong forum
Hey I'd get that exact same rio if I got +24
I been mostly busy with raiding trying to not suck too much in my trial these days to push keys
grim pilot
I had 27 forti
23 tyra
also pretty decent timer
we had lots of fuckups
and still timed 2 min under timer
arcane mage arms ret slaps
also ret wasnt a complete ape like most rets are and you could see man wanted to time the key and not just do overalls
so he knew when to wog someone and when to do prio
liked the guy
hearty terrace
Hey have we picked next sessions set? If so what is it?
warm plinth
The one from this season
hearty terrace
The one from this season
Oh cool hope the Warrior comes back in to Vogue be nice to see them again
I liked a good warrior there health never moved
pallid quiver
<@&257983573498265600> smite it plz, not even a funny scam
fallen lichen
Is there like a general moving pattern or trick on council mythic to stack them easier?
Or is it simply stack them after each charge?
fallen lichen
Thanks! Heard about some secret tech stacking the 3 of them, but couldn’t find anything about it. So must be bs then
opaque quest
In a game with milions of players there are no secret techniques
Youtubers will tell you otherwise to get you to click on their BS videos
azure nimbus
Am I the only one or nobody wants prot warriors above 26… ? I have timed 6 x 26 ...
Had to wait to be full 26 in Tyra to be taken in a 27 and it was like BRH wasn’t tagging in EB or TOTT
opaque quest
It starts in 27 this season. Last season with druid you couldnt even get in a 23 without lookiing for 30mins+
restive scroll
In a game with milions of players there are no secret techniques
I wouldn't say secret, but there are definitely techniques that are not known by most people
Which is why I started deplete.fyi
covert flower
Had to wait to be full 26 in Tyra to be taken in a 27 and it was like BRH wasn’t...
Just letting you know the default m+ parses are just what percentile keys you're doing relative to your spec
restive scroll
Just letting you know the default m+ parses are just what percentile keys you're...
True, although the screenshot is on points so it doesn't matter much anyway
azure nimbus
Just letting you know the default m+ parses are just what percentile keys you're...
If in my answer you felt an once of flex it wasn’t the case at all ! Just post this pic in response of our fellow comrade who’s struggling to be taken in keys
azure nimbus
Just letting you know the default m+ parses are just what percentile keys you're...
Just wanted him to know he wasn’t alone 🫡
covert flower
I mean IDC about that it just seemed like you were gonna show your runs done in key lvls
azure nimbus
I mean IDC about that it just seemed like you were gonna show your runs done in ...
Well he wasn’t asking for logs too so I didn’t think of posting but I logs all of my run feel free to check ! Always happy to get some advice and to improve 😄 !
waxen parcel
Hey long term arms enjoyer and complainer, generally tank on my vdh and pala but decided to try the war. Will give it a go on dht later today. Any advice on the tree bosserino for defensives and the like?
blazing condor
you got shield wall for every other grip
spell reflect/spell block helps since its all nature damage
impending victory can also be used in grip
waxen parcel
Got a general idea on maximising spell block uptime and kinda like how the spec plays, will try it out, thanks for the advice 🫡
strong forum
If you check the pins
There's a small explanation + vid of me on 28tyr
No audio tho cuz copyrighted music
blazing condor
how long has that been there
strong forum
Handful of weeks
blazing condor
blazing condor
Got a general idea on maximising spell block uptime and kinda like how the spec ...
forgot to say you can leap the breath to take no damage as well
just like the vid shows 
waxen parcel
I saw a 25 I think and saw how to deal with the breath at least
blazing condor
it helps having ppl who can do roots for you as well
not gonna make or break if you surivive in itself but less stress to think about a buncha ads
waxen parcel
Used to taking left full left and drop in ad and pulling everything before the tree in dht and kinda avoided rolling prot up to now as im ised to the vdh
opaque quest
Youre in for a surprise. Warr can do it just as well but its more work than VDH
waxen parcel
We cant even break out of roots with avatar with arms so im sure it wont be hard to switch my mindset for prot 
flat stratus
onlytanks
azure nimbus
There's a small explanation + vid of me on 28tyr
Hi mate, must be blind but cannot find the pins you’re talking about can you link it ?
restive scroll
^
restive scroll
My pleasure :)
blazing condor
who u got blocked
azure nimbus
If you ever need pins again they are in the top right left of the search bar
Love you
covert flower
DHT 2nd is pretty chill if you leap the breaths then use SR/DS for grips and have a bit of ignore pain up
Should be chilling
You can IV during grip then use CDs as you have them
Fight feels night and day when you have good defensive management vs bad
Weirdly enough I have problems with waycrest 4th
Feel like I'm taking insane damage there for some reason
azure nimbus
It’s awesome where we all feel different in a situation, the fourth one with reflect 1/2 is so chill in my point of view. Recquire a lot less cd management than 2nd DHT in my point of view !
covert flower
Nah it's definitely just me being shit like
It's not a normal feeling for anybody, just me
azure nimbus
Weirdly enough I have problems with waycrest 4th
Third is a « harder » for me since we can’t leave melee and hard to gather every limon every time
waxen parcel
Only thing im not really a fan of is the apm feels like playing fury which I try to avoid, but I guess just gotta learn to live with it
covert flower
There are like 3-4 fights I'd say I genuinely struggle to tank
azure nimbus
There are like 3-4 fights I'd say I genuinely struggle to tank
Which one ?
covert flower
WM 4, Rise 4, Throne 4, EB 2 sometimes
restive scroll
Weirdly enough I have problems with waycrest 4th
Do you reflect the tank buster ?
covert flower
Yeah I still take a lot of dmg I feel
I mean my sample size isn't like the highest or anything
Probably 2 runs above 24
restive scroll
WM 4, Rise 4, Throne 4, EB 2 sometimes
Rise 4/EB 2 are rough for us regardless, IMO
WM you shouldn't have issues.
Throne is not too bad IF the group does their job properly
covert flower
Could just be really shit play
restive scroll
I mean my sample size isn't like the highest or anything
It's your difficulties, always worth talking about them if you want to improve =)
covert flower
Also
I charge to other boss to get away from melee boss and like clockwork my melee will drop green shit all over the boss
Like WILL
restive scroll
Yeah, group issue.
Charging can be bad though, because you'll have a strong chance of getting melee in the back
opal forum
i like to leap and charge back
covert flower
Dude EB 2 really shows you that key level and simple understanding of mechanics/desire to do them do not correlate
The amount of people who don't move out for charge and the amount of people that don't kick revitalise is crazy
We'll even plan revitalise kicks if group looks weak for them and when you pull just
None of that suddenly matters
We suddenly don't feel like killing this boss I guess
echo egret
Yeah, group issue.
Charging can be bad though, because you'll have a strong chan...
Waiting for half a second before charging back helps not getting hit in the back
azure nimbus
Rise 4/EB 2 are rough for us regardless, IMO
WM you shouldn't have issues.
Thron...
Yeah you can’t do anything if the group does shit ! The nice thing in last TOTT is that is one of the few where we can reflect and help a lot in dps
restive scroll
Yeah you can’t do anything if the group does shit ! The nice thing in last TOTT ...
Yeup, clearly
opaque quest
who u got blocked
The piece of shit that took my 30 bucks to pay his internet provider then played without me even tho we said we raid together
restive scroll
Waiting for half a second before charging back helps not getting hit in the back
Of course, just gotta be aware of it
tribal wharf
if i ever quit wow again it might be for this game, put time and money into it (clearly)
opaque quest
Whts your favorite aspect yogi? The pay to win mechanics? The endless mobile game grind?
opaque quest
Just okay BF4 then :>
tribal wharf
no, this game is satisfying when you kill some other tank
opaque quest
No. BF4 is goated
It took some time for it to bloom but BF4 is way way better than BF3
tribal wharf
bf4 was good, there are no bad battlefields
opaque quest
bf4 was good, there are no bad battlefields
There is a but in there somewhere right yogi?
tribal wharf
maybe the cops version one was bad? bit too young too have played 1942, playetd fuck out of bf2
opaque quest
Hardline wasnt a Battlefield
tribal wharf
bad company im not experienced with but i think i own it and its good
opaque quest
But BF4 was dope
tribal wharf
I ask you, in what other video game can you semi realistically kill another tank by driving at it and its not just like, oh tank is going above 20 km/ph and so, if you are doing that and hit another tank it dies
opaque quest
Watch me jetram in BF4 like youve never seen before
opaque quest
You did on pussy servers kek
Nobody cares in BF4
Its war
No rules
In BF3 you got banned for using an AEK
tribal wharf
you arent wrong its a strategy, but its not one that people liked lmao
opaque quest
I dont like getting RPGd while im on my 2Foot but well
Agree tho tank driving itself if prolly better in your Mobile Game
hazy bronze
It was a viable military strategy
tribal wharf
protection warrior such as your self would probably enjoy it i say, many mechanics the same as tanking in wow
opaque quest
It was a viable military strategy
Japan agrees
tribal wharf
have to position your self looking at the enemy to block, or deflect i think is another one the same idea (deflect = parry pretty much
opaque quest
its console if you want to be specific
All the monetization and gameplay screams mobile sorry mate
tribal wharf
its a good game what else can i say
hazy bronze
So is genshin apparently
tribal wharf
in what other game can i play as an armored war tank complete with gigantic cannon and my goal is to blow up other vehicles
opaque quest
Good/=fun btw
waxen parcel
As my gear is for dps mainly, may I see how some of tou run your stat weights?
waxen parcel
My haste is low even for arms/fury its sitting at 31% rn
opaque quest
I love that they kept the bull eye scope in BF4 for it
tribal wharf
infanttry one grenade goes off and your whole day is ruined and you have to respawn
opaque quest
Na
tribal wharf
thats mostly why i dont like it
hazy bronze
t90
opaque quest
Just use WASD
hazy bronze
And here I thought you were a patriot
tribal wharf
majortity of my tanks on wot are german and russian i think
cuz am communist nazi clearly
opaque quest
tribal wharf
its everything up to like 1965 1970
opaque quest
I have more kills with the stupid drone than any vehilce
tribal wharf
and then its "cold war" tanks is the new thing they are selling i quit before those got introduced
opaque quest
I would never touch a game from them after the "remove best boat" debacle
tribal wharf
its as realistic as you will get for tanks in a cartoony setting and comprehensive wise anyway
the battles arent historically accurate, i will say that, you will have a 1930s tank go up vs a 1950s tank
oh shit, 111 sevice stars as medic, okay ya, thats starting to make alot more sense, im guessing alot of time in that 1 subway map
dusky canopy
There's I in Winner
opaque quest
But most of it is the Dragon Maps because i absolutely fucking love chain link
Dragons teeth i think
Lumphini Gardens is goated
tribal wharf
i usually enjoyed the large conquest maps
opaque quest
Conquest is to much walking and not enough shooting for my taste so i play rush
tribal wharf
thats where the helicopter or tank comes in if applicable
and then the struggle to squash the roaches hiding in the building by bringing its su pport columns down, watch them scatter and take over the base
opaque quest
Even if you use a vehicle to get from one point to another the maps are just to big to see an enemy
I wanna fight i dont wanna take points by standing around doing nothing
opaque quest
Ye but 64v64 on shanghai for example just isnt enough
I like conquest on pearl market
pliant thorn
Is this bf3?
opaque quest
Is this bf3?
BF4
pliant thorn
Do they have a good amount of servers on pc? I haven’t thought about that game in years
opaque quest
Ye they still got some full ones
pliant thorn
Imma download that ish
opaque quest
You cant be picky about your game mode of location of server at 3 am but its fine to play some rounds
opaque quest
You can also play Battlefields through gamepass im sure
hazy bronze
I could see that being you
blazing condor
whose*
opaque quest
I wish Steam had 1-5 star reviews
Cause reading 1 star reviews is usually skill issue or broken product
2 - 3 stars are more accurate
tribal wharf
yep, bring back stars for youtube vidoes, fuck the dislike counter
like for real
its like a movie or hotel 5/5 stars its very good, 1/5stars its shit
opaque quest
1/5 would be bed and tv were broken
2 or 3 would be more appropriate cause not every room will be fucked as bad
Like on Amazon i dont read 1 star reviews cause its product came broken or doesnt work
tribal wharf
nah thats 0/5 but EVERYBODY even the insane knows to stay away from 0/5's
opaque quest
But there is no 0/5
tribal wharf
there is, it doesnt run / is on fire or equal
fresh stone
can i ask what the reasoning behind using Defense stance as a CD instead of just staying in it is recommended? the only info i found was outdated back when it was -10% dmg
done
icy galleon
I just don't swap cause I'm lazy🤣
tribal wharf
you want to have on battle stance most of the time because more dmg and more dmg = more threat is a side effect and you kill monster faster, its supposed to combat large amount of flat or i guess maybe damage over time effects
like if you know you are going to be hit for a million damage, by X ability, and it would be hard to / you cant avoid its dmg
dusky canopy
can i ask what the reasoning behind using Defense stance as a CD instead of just...
I mean if you want to do less damage you can sit in dstance sure
its just bad practice
jagged pier
there literally isnt enough damage to kill u in content nowadays unless u are doing like 30s
so you are just loosing damage for no reason being in dstance
if u want to play it
dusky canopy
yeah jakey beat me to my next comment lol
jagged pier
then thats fine but your just making yourself weaker for no point
tribal wharf
if you feel like you arent surviving well with out it, try it with it on
if you have it on alot and still die, we got problem
jagged pier
no if your dying without your doing somthing wrong
icy galleon
Can a macro be set up so that I can have it swap me between battle and defensive stance if I'm in the other stance? I don't really want to keybind yet more buttons
jagged pier
icy galleon
I don't like clicking abilities, so if I'm going to use it I need a keybind lol
If raid fights have a decent amount of passive raid wide, like smolderons fight. Should I leave defensive stance on or use battle stance for all but the tank buster and rely on leech/impending victory to keep me topped off?
hardy snow
use Dstance for some busters
like on smolderon when you run away, you dont hit boss much (only ticking bleeds), so its good to use dstance for the hit
icy galleon
I figured for that kind of effect yeah
icy galleon
Guess I can be proud of always beating the other tanks in my guild dps wise even with dstance always on
icy galleon
shrugs tell that to them
dusky canopy
Heroic raiders checking stance usage on logs!?
icy galleon
It's a paladin and demon hunter
dusky canopy
opaque quest
Heroic raiders checking stance usage on logs!?
opaque quest
If someome told me to use Dstance i'd tell him to give me PI then
icy galleon
That's funny
icy galleon
My guild has heroic on farm, and I get my entertainment by padding my healing parse lol
blazing condor
dusky canopy
icy galleon
it just makes me laugh cause my healers think it's ridiculous
violet ginkgo
on average we are the lowest dps tank
Why blizz doesn't want to buff our DPS 
icy galleon
my guildies think prot is really strong right now, and i just keep showing them tierlists people make saying otherwise lol
opaque quest
You show them what?
dusky canopy
Tierlists are dog shit
icy galleon
lol
it's more to show the community's perception of things, but even looking at them is a fair thing to criticize
opaque quest
no
Its nothing
Tier lists dont mean a single thing
Oh they do
They mean youre stupid if you believe them
icy galleon
I just don't want to get nerfed again
opaque quest
Who didnt know blizz nerfs because of tier lists
icy galleon
jagged pier
nerfed again?
we've been nerfed once this expansion
in S1
only had buffs since
well rally cry i gues too
icy galleon
saved an enhancement shaman with it just last tuesday
winged slate
Priest has rally too :^)
icy galleon
lol
it would be funny if rally counted towards healing done on logs
brewji has given me the same curse
dusky canopy
Yeah I'm done wasting my weekend on the login screen
great game but not being able to log in is total dogshit
icy galleon
ah that'll do it
with the initial server fixes and content creators playing the game, I'm not surprised there was a massive surge in players. Game's really fun when you can play
they're working on it at least
opaque quest
If you have to ask if youre using to much artillery you are
But that doesnt mean you cant use more
opaque quest
I have some more games budget next month since im getting my overtime paid finally
Its either Last Epoch BG3 Helldivers or Elden Ring
Or Phantom Liberty
opaque quest
I loved Lies of P
dusky canopy
12/10 game
opaque quest
Prolly Elden Ring then lol
dusky canopy
Definitely worth every penny!
I wish i could unplay it and re play it for the first time again
icy galleon
ER would give you a ton of play time
jagged pier
ER is more than 100hours + on first playthrough if u do everything
dusky canopy
"Play of the game"
opaque quest
I mean obviously
warm plinth
I mean obviously
Pro tip, alt+print screen will only screenshot the active monitor
hardy snow
and win+shift+s will allow you to choose area to screenshot
warm plinth
opaque quest
I mean shift win S is just snipping tool isnt is
cerulean tusk
snip snip
warm plinth
Yeah, I assumed you knew about that but no point in the snipping tool if you want to take the full screen