protection

[maiden forge]

But be need something as good as banner was end of expac

[warm plinth]

Why in the hell would you want dragon charge in pve

[tribal wharf]

very wrong opinion about no condemn i do not agree to these terms

[uneven mason]

We need execute to do substantial damage first

[median tulip]

Displaces are good, man

[maiden forge]

Just make juggernaut not be tied to that one shield slam talent

[warm plinth]

It's a displace that gets you hit in the back

Terrible idea

[winged slate]

If Prot got Fury's version of execute I would press it constantly

[warm plinth]

Besides we already have a knock

And no one takes it

[median tulip]

Because it's on a 90s CD

[warm plinth]

Still a knock

[pallid quiver]

just change it to summon a dragon

[maiden forge]

Just give prot banner back, would make them feel so much better, and give them something to provide to a group

[uneven mason]

That's relies on the target to not be fear immune

[warm plinth]

Placement and connections serve other purposes as well

[maiden forge]

Cause mastery on 3 allies pretty good

[uneven mason]

That's why no one takes it

[pallid quiver]

and change t roar back to dragon roar

we need more dragon named abilities than the class that's actually a dragon

[maiden forge]

We arent the dragon class anymore sadly

[warm plinth]

I mean, if they're fear immune there's like a 99.9% chance they're knock immune too, especially since so many undead mobs aren't fear immune this expansion.

[maiden forge]

We the dragon slayer class tho, given the lore

Should have the buff dh gets from killing demons but for dragons

[median tulip]

I definitely want Prot to have more abilities that actually PROTECT other people though.

Bring back Safeguard. Make Intervene Great Again.

Give us Morale Killer in PvE.

Gief Utility

[maiden forge]

Give us the spell reflect applies to ally thing

[median tulip]

Yes!

[warm plinth]

Safeguard and the AM suggestion are honestly the only two of those that I agree with.

[winged slate]

Mass spell reflect was and would be broken

[maiden forge]

It would be so good

[warm plinth]

Yes mass spell reflect would be very broken.

[maiden forge]

I'm talking the 1 ally thing

[median tulip]

Misshapen Mirror it was called IIRC?

[maiden forge]

Yes

It applies closest ally too

And lasts 60% longer

[winged slate]

That sounds miserable to manage lol

[uneven mason]

Pretty sure the angry ghost on fryak are

[maiden forge]

Git gud

[winged slate]

Alternatively, design abilities better

Not everything needs to feel like you're performing engine surgery through the exhaust

[maiden forge]

Alternative, immune to bleeds

[median tulip]

Imagine if you could Spell Reflect Etch in WCM when it was cast on one of your PDS guys

[maiden forge]

Ez broken material

Too angry to bleed

We just flex and the wounds close

[warm plinth]

Also, connections and placements in the trees aren't arbitrary. They are there to prevent e.g. taking two things that would be OP to have both of

[maiden forge]

Ye

[warm plinth]

Adding connections means adding balance difficulty, especially in the spec tree.

Problem with moving avatar is what do you put there

[maiden forge]

I still think misshapen mirror is the best way for them to add utility to warrior

[warm plinth]

It's the strongest ability damage-wise in the tree

Nakes sense for it to be a cap

Makes*

Well, bottom gate I mean

[maiden forge]

Or at least start adding utility

As it was something we had before

[median tulip]

A node rearrangement I have talked about before:
Swap the positions of Bloodbourne and Bolster
Swap the positions of Thunderlord and the SoF/SD choice node
Eliminate the connections to Shield Wall from Challenging Shout and BrV/FbV
Add new connections from Bloodsurge to Bloodbourne's new loaction, and from Instigate to SoF/SD's new location

Also for the love of god put another 3 nodes into the section before the first gate; only 10 nodes there is insulting. Most specs have 14 and so much more flexibility

[median tulip]

I would say Safeguard, but both are good. Basically we are both asking for a similar thing though - an External

[maiden forge]

Safe guard would be good too

Ye

The ally spell reflect could also do big damage too lol

[warm plinth]

Safeguard could be a possibility in top spec gate

Should definitely not be in class tree

[median tulip]

Yeah

[winged slate]

I just don't like 3 damage abilities competing with shockwave

[median tulip]

Avatar plain doesn't belong past the second gate

[warm plinth]

Sonic boom and rumbling earth are trash and shouldn't exist

No one wants damage attached to a cc, especially a relatively weak cc

[winged slate]

I don't hate the idea of CDR + bigger aoe, the points are just so tight at the bottom of the tree

[median tulip]

Rumbling Earth would be useful and I would take it if it were a section 2 talent. But section 3? Get outta here

[warm plinth]

Rumbling earth was baseline on Shockwave before though. They just separated it to create a talent.

[median tulip]

It was a talent in the 7*3 days

Wasn't it?

[warm plinth]

It was baseline on Shockwave in Legion.

[median tulip]

Ahhh, I wasn't around for Legion

[warm plinth]

It was also a 3 sec stun then

Instead of w

2

[median tulip]

Another talent that really annoys me is Piercing Howl; WHY is it gated behind Berserker Rage? There are times when I would drop a point to get it (mostly Spiteful weeks), but a 2 point dip isn't at all worth it

[uneven mason]

Yeah that's been what Blizzard has been doing since bfa, taking baseline stuff and turning it into talents

[median tulip]

Here's an off-the-wall question: Should our Mastery be reworked?

[crystal mauve]

Yes, I do believe mastery should be relevant for all classes. It's kinda in the name "mastery" of the spec and you actively avoid it sometimes? Feelsbad

[median tulip]

The thing with our Mastery is it leans into the thing we are already strong at without it

[warm plinth]

I don't think it needs to be reworked. Crit block is insane.

The only reason we don't stack it is because the other part of it is useless due to 100% shield block uptime.

[crystal mauve]

Exactly, it's outdated

[warm plinth]

Our mastery is strong already and losing crit block would suck ass.

[median tulip]

I wish Block chance over 100% rolled over into being crit block chance

[warm plinth]

Yeah it would be cool if at least a percentage of the overflow did

[crystal mauve]

Would be amazing. Still play on our strenght but at least it's not useless

[winged slate]

Most tank masteries are fine, but just not as strong as the other stats

Which is a fine place

[uneven mason]

Cataclysm

[crystal mauve]

Have you seen the VDH mastery?

[median tulip]

I mean I don't think our Mastery is useless right now, but it's certainly not spec-defining, which Mastery is sorta meant to be...

[warm plinth]

I mean it does cover your ass a bit if you accidentally let it drop. It's also very good for newbies to the spec because it means they won't necessarily fall over if they fuck up.

[uneven mason]

It's fine?

[median tulip]

What's theirs do? I don't play DH

[warm plinth]

And again, crit block by itself is insane.

[winged slate]

Not every spec needs mastery to be giga turbo best stat

[crystal mauve]

It's not useless today because we have so much stats

[winged slate]

The game would be so boring that way

[uneven mason]

Increases the amount of armor based on agi during demon spikes

[crystal mauve]

it's absolutely useless, actively avoided

[winged slate]

It's passive, then doubled during demon spikes

Plus all tanks get % AP from mastery

[median tulip]

Demon Spikes is a think they have high uptime on, right?

[crystal mauve]

Depends on the build, but you can have hight uptime yes

[uneven mason]

I'll remember that when I see vdh getting fucked by physical hits

But you're not wrong

It's weaker

But not useless

[crystal mauve]

Look at the top M+ VDH, Kiradh has literally 0 mastery

[warm plinth]

Vdh mastery is the only one that's meh really

The rest are solid

Out of the tanks I mean

[median tulip]

Yeah they did that because otherwise Masteries were getting ignored in favour of more DPS. IMO they should do the same for healer Masteries (but that's a topic for elsewhere)

[tribal wharf]

like, i could craft a 486 2hand

[crystal mauve]

If any stats should be meh, it should be vers as it's the most boring of all

[warm plinth]

I mean, vers is whatever for most specs

[crystal mauve]

(don't get me wrong, the stat is good, but boring from a gameplay point of view)

[warm plinth]

Its high cost helps that.

Vers is only good for a spec if it scales poorly with other secondaries.

[winged slate]

Not all all stats are the same value for all specs - and that's good

[warm plinth]

Which is a tuning problem.

[median tulip]

Vers is just... whatever. I have some Vers. I don't even know how much, it's just on pieces that have Haste

[uneven mason]

WW and ret iirc

[warm plinth]

But yeah I agree with Andy that you don't want everyone to have the same stat prio

Outlaw stacks vers almost as badly as Aug stacks mastery

[median tulip]

Doesn't one of the Rogue specs go heavy into Vers?

[uneven mason]

Combat

[crystal mauve]

From a game design perspective it just feels bad to be in a position where your players can choose from their "mastery" what the spec could/should be designed around VS vers which is juste + a small% of everything

[winged slate]

In a world where every spec goes haste/mastery the game is boring and we're all competing for the same gear

Just because mastery does something different for you doesn't mean it has to be good

There's tons of boring as fuck masteries that are strong

[median tulip]

I just checked. I have 1633 Vers. 8%/4%

[warm plinth]

Yuge

[echo egret]

Fall : what do you gain by invis 1st pack and take 2nd pack with boss + hero ?
vs Hero 1st pack and invis the very last bit ? People seem to go crazy when you don't do the former.

[winged slate]

Look at boomy... wow, increased damage. Super exciting. It's only interesting because the % scales harder than other secondaries

[uneven mason]

I'd have none but tier pieces have vers

[warm plinth]

I prefer to lust 1st pull. Especially since last boss trash is harder due to all the stonebolts

[pallid quiver]

They're probably losing their shit because lust isn't on a boss

no bigger reasoning than that

[crystal mauve]

You have the respawen after 1st boss so even if you fuckup you are ahead of the respawn. You also lust boss which makes it faster. The end of the donjon is really easy and you have to wait for the RP, might as well kill stuff during that 30sec

[warm plinth]

You could pull first pull onto boss and barely notice the boss is there tbh lol

[uneven mason]

Stonebolt on fort, had 4 of them target me just slightly desynced

Sr got the first

[crystal mauve]

The cast is super long and kick/stunable tho, shouldn't be an issue

[pallid quiver]

I'd only notice it because I wager most pugs would just instant leave and complain you're trolling

[uneven mason]

The third overkilled

My death interrupted the last

[echo egret]

I just don't see how it massively helps, since time is definitely not the issue in this place.

[uneven mason]

It doesn't

[warm plinth]

It is but it's still relatively harder than the first boss trash

It's the only difference between first boss trash and last boss trash

[uneven mason]

But people wanna feel like they can do those elite MDI Strat skips

[median tulip]

Spoiler Alert: They can't

[crystal mauve]

it doesn't massively help, but you are limited to progress the dungeon by how fast the first boss dies, pullng it sooner can make it easier to go to the next step. At the end of the dungeon you are stuck waiting for RP and can pull the trash on last boss if you want as well.

[grand veldt]

I agree

I generally run with a rogue to or druid to stealth start rp so the skip actually benefits you

[crystal mauve]

how? You still wait...

[grand veldt]

You can choose to skip the leeches in the 2nd boss area, but if you don't, you could skip 2 packs at the end not just one

[echo egret]

One good reason I can see about invis 1st : you don't risk people having their pot on cooldown after the 3rd boss.

[blazing condor]

i just like pulling pack on boss

with bl

first boss

[grand veldt]

While you fight the first irdikron room pack you send your stealth class to the boss room to start rp

With sprint

It's like 15 seconds down time for them

[echo egret]

What baffles me is that the whole dilemna doesn't matter that much, and yet people absolutely want to insult you for not doing their own strat.

[crystal mauve]

It,s more than 15sec for sure tho

[grand veldt]

Not with sprint

You just walk into the boss rooom

And walk out

That starts the 30s rp timer

[median tulip]

The correct route is the route that the tank is doing. Everyone else should STFU

[crystal mauve]

thing is, you DPS is loosing dps (and thus you are wasting time) while you could have everyone there to fight while you trigger the RP

[grand veldt]

One dps or one healer

Losing 15s

[crystal mauve]

I've even pulled trash on the last boss and it's fine

[grand veldt]

So we can skip packs with high hp

And gain time, idk

Seems better to me

[crystal mauve]

High HP but they give amazing count tho

[grand veldt]

Yeah that's why I pull the entire first room

And skip them at the end

[uneven mason]

Just be like "me tank, this MDT rout, we go"

[crystal mauve]

Why not kill them at the end and keep full uptime then?

[echo egret]

Guess what... I'm taking the middle dragon on tyrannical !

[crystal mauve]

Well you shouldn't but you do you lol

[grand veldt]

Because I want my dps to nit waste cds

On trash

Not*

[echo egret]

Easy, lots of count.

[crystal mauve]

CDs on trash is a good thing....?

[grand veldt]

Not for iridikron?

[crystal mauve]

Boss is so long you will have them back for the shield anyway

Also they should know when to use their CDs

[grand veldt]

Or they could burn him down faster during the only burn phase

With lust

And get cds back up during shield phase

[crystal mauve]

slow tho, you only do 1 mob that give decent count by itself

[uneven mason]

Bosses are generally mechanics, CDs on trash is stronk and generally more impactful even on tyrannical

[grand veldt]

Hard disagree on fall tyran

I mean I'm working on 27s ATM, but even on 26 that wasn't the case

[uneven mason]

Yeah I suppose fall

[crystal mauve]

On Tyranical bosses are 3-4min longs, thye will have at least 1 set of CD durin gthe fight

[uneven mason]

Was speaking general

[grand veldt]

Iridkron on a 27 is a 6 minute fight

Minimum

Having no cds on that opener I can't even imagine

Not syncing the dps cds with lust is like actually criminal on that boss

[tribal wharf]

they want a bunch of gold for it, but its worth it for me to have a better neck piece

[warm plinth]

Surely you want to bloodlust the first earthsurge though, not on pull?

[tribal wharf]

oh cool

it doesnt destroy the gems inside if you recraft neck

[winged slate]

I need to finally recraft my stupid bracers

[tribal wharf]

485.6 ilvl tho lol

found a glitch

[blazing condor]

yeah thats been happening the entire patch

dont know what causes it

unless the green globes can spawn and stack on eachother

[tribal wharf]

i think its something to do wtih the hit box and dragon flying mount changing speeds, so it probably checks more often for speed? and then gets tricked into pumping out like 10 as shown here

yeah, i can up-cycle these things and they dont need nothin to farm

yeah this one is glitched hardcore

[crystal mauve]

In our last 27 Tyranical it was indeed 6min43. the only difficult part is surviving the burst and sending CD to kill the shield so you heal doesn't burn all of it's mana. The rest is wahtever. but alsmost 7min you will have your CDs multiple times.

[tribal wharf]

either way, something is telling the game to check collision with that green ball every frame or tic

[grand veldt]

Sending lust with no cds vs with cds

That's the conversation for last boss

[blazing condor]

lot of falls have died cus ppl decide to go merry-go-round on earthsurge

instead of stacking

[grand veldt]

I simply disagree that sending lust with no cds up is optimal just for the sake of good count

[blazing condor]

highest keys just send BL on like 93% to skip the next earthsurge

[crystal mauve]

We lusted the shield at the end to be sure to burn it as we send other CD on the shield during the fight. Looking at logs we've send lust just before the shield to make sure to skip last earthsure

[grand veldt]

That I've seen, but that 9nly reinforces my point

[covert flower]

isn't lust at the end troll as fuck?

[grand veldt]

You want cds up for non shield phase

Not down

You want to have as little shield phases as possible

[blazing condor]

you wouldnt lust the burst phase

cus you got a bajillion haste from chromie anyway

[crystal mauve]

no, we used CD to break the shields, and to help us avoid an extra phase, we lusted regardless of CD up or not

[warm plinth]

Lustibf end phase is pointless

Lusting*

[grand veldt]

I'm talking about lusting on pull with cds up

[blazing condor]

the only lusts that make sense are to either not get another earthsurge or lusting on pull tbh

[grand veldt]

That's what the entire convo had been about

[crystal mauve]

In high enough key the last key can be a lot of damage to go through really quickly

[grand veldt]

Skipping last 2 packs to have cds up

[chilly brook]

if you lust on pull with CDs up you're still going to skip a shield phase

[grand veldt]

Vs doing trash and not

[warm plinth]

I mean if cds are up on pull then lust on pull makes sense. If they aren't, then lusting earthsurge makes more sense.

[chilly brook]

^

[covert flower]

the only argument I have for lust shield over pull is if

[grand veldt]

The conversation has entirely been about why you should or shouldn't skip the last pack or two of trash

[chilly brook]

I don't think it matters

[covert flower]

2 of your dps are missing cds, i think 1 is fine

maybe

[crystal mauve]

skipping the last two pack implies that you also loose a DPS pot (maybe 2 depending on timing)*

[chilly brook]

I mean skipping the last 2 is the move if you can and don't need the percentage

[grand veldt]

You use shroud normally

[blazing condor]

if you dont got a rogue

[chilly brook]

but

[blazing condor]

i prefer to skip 1 dragon and all the way to first boss

[warm plinth]

Yeah I wouldn't skip without a rogue. Not having pot on boss seems super sus

[crystal mauve]

You don't ALWAYS have a rogue, that's waht I'm saying

[blazing condor]

rather than two packs

[grand veldt]

We're talking high keys not throwaway keys

[chilly brook]

shouldn't massively change your lust usage

[grand veldt]

You don't bring a rogue to a 27 or higher then you're not really serious about pushing

Vanish for third boss

[chilly brook]

huh?

[covert flower]

also not to say dps pot isn't valuable but

[grand veldt]

And melds are imperative

[covert flower]

on iridikron it legit ONLY has value

[crystal mauve]

I timed my 27 tyranical yesterday without a rogue, were we trolling then?

[covert flower]

if that's the sole reason you skip a shield

[warm plinth]

Vanish for third boss is not a thing. You can't hold vanish on rogue anymore (at least on outlaw)

[grand veldt]

You could have done it more efficiently with a rogue

[crystal mauve]

Also I play prot warrior, pushing for us this season is basically trolling lol

[warm plinth]

You lose a ton of damage

[grand veldt]

Yeah normally rogue go sub on this dungeon

[warm plinth]

Ah okay

[grand veldt]

There's only 1 big trash pull

[chilly brook]

wasn't aware Critcake wasn't serious

[crystal mauve]

We invis the first part, without a rogue, lusted the last shield phase because we used CD on earthshields and we timed the key. We don't need to argue too much about it

[blazing condor]

i mean the top teams dont run rogue

[warm plinth]

Sense pushes as prot

Plka pushes as prot

[grand veldt]

Maybe I should have clarified, if you're not using an aug

You are using a rogue

Those are your options

[covert flower]

you mean lusting the burn where you go to the middle?

[chilly brook]

I don't think that's true

[covert flower]

if you do that dude you gotta not do that shit again

[chilly brook]

but sure

[covert flower]

that shit is mega troll

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's a complete and utter waste of bloodlust

[crystal mauve]

Just a bit before so we would skip the earthshield and finish the lust in the shield in the middle yeah

[covert flower]

okay if it's to skip a shield that's fine

but lusting to meet the burn is troll

[warm plinth]

You get a gigantic haste buff in the last bubble

But yeah if you're trying to beat earthsurge it's fine

[chilly brook]

no aug

no rogue

[crystal mauve]

I'm not the one lusting, it seems that we needed it to burn the last shield too it was kind of close

[grand veldt]

That's not fall

[covert flower]

Also, speaking of Iridikron

[grand veldt]

Am I high rn

[covert flower]

blizzard needs to stop with these like

titan scaling bosses

shit with adds, shit with shields

[grand veldt]

Are you trying to gaslight me @chilly brook

[covert flower]

like assuming all bosses in a dungeon should have similar difficulty in m+

[chilly brook]

ok

fall

[covert flower]

look at 1st vs 4th boss fall

[chilly brook]

no rogue

no aug

[covert flower]

and see the disparity

[crystal mauve]

Again my key was only a 27, probably not a high key in anyone's eyes but I do waht I can

[chilly brook]

I don't think these guys "aren't serious"

[chilly brook]

no I'm not "gaslighting" you, you just have a habit of making absolutist statements that aren't true

[grand veldt]

I think having 1 minute left on that key says more than enough

I didn't say you can't do it

[chilly brook]

it

[grand veldt]

You are just making it harder

[chilly brook]

it's a 30

[grand veldt]

For no reason

[covert flower]

yeah but it's also fort

[grand veldt]

Yeah lol

[covert flower]

27 tyrannical isn't far behind 30 fort in hp

[grand veldt]

Or in damage value

[covert flower]

and those are 3800 gamers

dmg is a lot more than you'd think, but health is kinda close

[chilly brook]

he has a 29 timed on tyran

about the same time

same comp

[grand veldt]

So if you want to key 2 or 3 levels below the cap on tyran

Then yes you can do whatever you want

If you want to push with the clases you like

Yes

You can do whatever you want

But if you want to see how far you can push

[chilly brook]

sorry wasn't aware 29s and 30s aren't real keys

[grand veldt]

You will need to compromise

That's not what I said but okay king

You're right bring an ele sham to your next fall key

[covert flower]

actually just need to throw some respect to the 4 tyrannical fall 31s completed in time

can't even IMAGINE

[chilly brook]

you realize 31 is the highest fall yeah?

[covert flower]

like actually imagine

[chilly brook]

?

[covert flower]

doing iridkron

[grand veldt]

Bring the BTM comp

[covert flower]

on a 31 tyrannical

can't even comprehend it

[grand veldt]

Tell me how it goes on tyran

And what could make the experience easier

Also am I high or none of these that you posted were with prot warriors

Did I misinterpret this conversation

Are we not talking about shit relevant just to us?

Do I need to qualify everything with a disclaimer, that this is just in reference to prot war

[warm plinth]

He was providing those as evidence that you don't need aug or rogue like you said you did

[chilly brook]

pretty sure that was never the thing you said

but ok

keep moving the goal posts

[crystal mauve]

Highest fall tyranical on prot warrior is +29

[grand veldt]

No you're right I didn't say it originally

I just didn't think I needed to, that's on me, not you

[warm plinth]

I doubt that's because it's a prot warrior though

[grand veldt]

And yeah that's probably true but on 30s and above I've even heard people like pika feel like they are gate keeping friends out of content

So it makes sense why they'd swap

[tribal wharf]

the prot warrior in the mdi video today is facing back away and running from dieos

i mean

thats what they think of us i guess

[grand veldt]

That's to leap the breath no?

Or is he doing that mid swings?

[warm plinth]

Yeah leap by itself isn't far enough to dodge breath. You gotta do some running

[tribal wharf]

https://youtu.be/tn9LKwAaQjc?si=wg-AspBeY7HgZwBa&t=120

running away in melee range jumping, they modeled that scene after me

💀

[chilly brook]

You're only having to go with specialized comps for the last level or two of keys, but doing 29s and 30s is within reach for practically all classes right now, and 29s and 30s are vastly far ahead of what is able to be done for even high end players

[tribal wharf]

there are no safe strats in 30 keys

only safer strats

get meleed by some random trash white melee for 1.1 million on tyranical

no thank you lol

[crystal mauve]

1.1m physical on a warrior feels like there is something else happening here lol should hurt that bad with shield block up (and facing the right way 😂)

As my co-tank told me once, “why don’t you just crit block?” 😅

[tribal wharf]

you have to tell him to help invest gold into your mastery set for that

[grand veldt]

The only scary thing of playing with crit block is you basically drop all vers to try it

I need to fuck around with it on ptr but it just seems scary

10% flat dr vs 50% chance to crit block

[warm plinth]

Meh who cares about vers

[tribal wharf]

i want to recraft/regear to haste mastery as a meme build in 10.3 i guess it would be

[grand veldt]

I like 10% vers but I haven't tried mastery stacking, maybe I'll like that more

[crystal mauve]

So far I haven’t felt the need for more physical mitigation, especially with crit/vers somewhat balanced. I do like a bit of vers cause the only danger right now is some form of non blockable damage. Curious to know how it feels tho

[warm plinth]

I mean you're not going to notice a 10% reduction. That's literally 1 key level worth of damage.

[chilly brook]

huh?

huhhhhh?

[vale bolt]

Can someone have a look at this EB 22 wipe and tell me if there's anything I can do to improve. I feel so damn squishy I don't know what I'm doing wrong

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2TFDXHjCcVqNh6P1

[chilly brook]

any specific areas?

[vale bolt]

I mean kinda on bosses but trash ass well

[chilly brook]

your blocked hits are low

under 80%

[vale bolt]

I just feel like I am squishy and I feel like other prot warriors don't have this issue

[chilly brook]

you should be above 90% blocked hits

[tribal wharf]

i mean, they could turn critical block into an active thing

[vale bolt]

Ok so spend more time making sure block is up

Do I press IP too much?

[chilly brook]

you don't press shield slam enough 10cpm is a little low

[tribal wharf]

like, when you have SB active, and then you do a critical, you get a critical block buff for immediate temporary future

like next few hits

[chilly brook]

idk we gonna need @warm plinth

[vale bolt]

What should I be aiming for?

[chilly brook]

to weigh in

[chilly brook]

mine was like 15 cpm in a 25

[vale bolt]

Ok wow that's quite a lot of difference

Also the Dulhu charge hits SO hard I don't know how to live that

[warm plinth]

You would live it a lot easier if you weren't taking 300k melees from not having shield block up

[chilly brook]

d stance, spell reflect, charge to someone else immediately after

[vale bolt]

I was charging to the other guy as soon as charge went off but I think I was getting hit from the back while charging

What I am taking fromthis tho is get more uptime on block and use SS more

Way more

[warm plinth]

I'm looking at the first wipe right now

You did not get hit in the back

But you only blocked 56% of melees

[vale bolt]

Yea yikes

That's really poor. I think I am spamming IP too much and running out of rage to use on SB

[warm plinth]

Well, I won't say you're overpressing IP necessarily. But you're definitely underpressing Shield Block.

[chilly brook]

IP is like

[warm plinth]

The running out of rage part is just not pressing buttons fast enough.

[chilly brook]

a button you press so you don't overcap rage

[vale bolt]

So do I want to just try keep spamming SB as much as possible? Or do I use it when I am taking hits (or soon to be)

[warm plinth]

You should have Shield Block up 100% of the time.

Either from Shield Block or from Shield Charge.

[vale bolt]

Ok

[chilly brook]

does it punch, swing, stab or shoot?

if yes

[vale bolt]

I also only have a 476 crafted shield which I suppose doesn't help

[chilly brook]

you need sb

[vale bolt]

But I think my rotation is cooked

[warm plinth]

Honestly what makes it worse

Is that you're running Heavy Repercussions, which I was about to recommend (as I always do for people struggling with SB uptime)

Also idk why you're running 2x bloodborne instead of spell block and punish

[vale bolt]

Well because I don't really ahve a spot to put it on my binds lol

[warm plinth]

Shift-Shield Wall button

[vale bolt]

Is spell block really that much of a game changer

Wait

Wait that's genius

[warm plinth]

I mean, yeah. You can use it on terrestial wrath which can make the charge spicier (since it's like 110k per tick)

It's more effective on other bosses/trash but it would still be of use on that fight.

[vale bolt]

Hmm ok I will adjust that

[warm plinth]

Punish is also quite a lot of DR

on ST

[vale bolt]

Yea trash I think I am mostly fine

except when the damage taken debuff gets to like 15

Then I'm sweatin

[warm plinth]

Is this like a set team or was this a pug

[vale bolt]

Pug

[warm plinth]

ah okay

[vale bolt]

I don't have any friends

[warm plinth]

I was gonna say, paladin should be using freedom on you on trash

to remove dreadpetal stacks

[vale bolt]

I was trying to dps it but there are a collective 4 tanks left doing m+ in pugs so I just tanked it instead

[warm plinth]

Avatar also removes stacks so you can theoretically hold it for that purpose, but you would obviously prefer not to.

but you had literally 2 paladins in that dungeon so freedom should've 100% happened

[vale bolt]

Yea

I mean pally can also dispel it too

Both of them

But I can't improve others, only myself

[median tulip]

There are so many Paladins that don't know their utility right now

[vale bolt]

So I need to make sure I'm using SB way more and SS a lot more

[vale bolt]

Right now? KEKW

[warm plinth]

You can't dispel it

[vale bolt]

It's a disease no?

[warm plinth]

No

It's nothing

[vale bolt]

Hmm weird I thought my brother was dispelling it last night when he was tanking

[warm plinth]

What spec is he

[vale bolt]

Maybe I just didn't see the freedom animation

Prot pala

[warm plinth]

Oh, then yeah he's probably using freedom

[vale bolt]

Well time to run the 21 and see how I improve with these tips

Will let you know how I go

[vale bolt]

Nevermind

Invited a gallywix healer and he left after one wipe

[covert flower]

Feel like the only times you can really die as pwarr in everbloom is

if you're tanking abom with lasher debuff and like, you don't have a poison dispel or something

if your group is letting you eat non stop dancing thorns without spell block up

and then bosses should mostly be fine, 2nd can do a lot of damage but as long as you block melees you're probably never dying

Don't get caught off guard by 3rd if you eat a spell you can get taken out after cinders or some shit

[dusky canopy]

FFFFFFF

@lusty grotto

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-hart-its-about-to-go-down-calm-before-the-storm-gif-4420127

[dusky canopy]

Nah

called it

[hardy ridge]

Damn you guys got hella close!

[dusky canopy]

SO DID YOU SHPACK

[lusty grotto]

soon soon

[hardy ridge]

[opaque quest]

No obligatory "last try"?

[dusky canopy]

Yes multiple of those

xD

[opaque quest]

Damn next raid day then

@lusty grotto Yeah i defo need a 24/7 transporter lol

[lusty grotto]

[hearty terrace]

Hey guys, I find Warrior Interesting/cool is why is no one playing it?

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/public-opinion-meme-news-journalism-indoctrination-gif-21779558

[glacial wasp]

It lost in the court of public opinion

[hearty terrace]

Oh so it’s actually good?

[blazing condor]

ppl think we're shit cus no streamers play pwarr

pwarr is super fine

can do any content

[opaque quest]

Every tank is good right now

[opaque quest]

Havent watched Quazii in forever, doesnt he play Pwarr? Or was he just playing FOTM Warr in S1

[hearty terrace]

Super fine? That’s not a Sale to play the class lol

[glacial wasp]

Every tank works quite well overall in DF. They all feel slightly different - pick what you enjoy most

[hearty terrace]

He was a Brew main forever played it coz it’s good he’s on my sever lol

[opaque quest]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-spec-rankings/season-df-3/world/warrior/protection

Here you go

[hearty terrace]

Think he was a warrior back in the day but he played brew for 5%

[opaque quest]

Numbers dont lie. Unless you wanna comfortably do 30s in your sleep warr is dope

[hearty terrace]

So it’s 200-300 Io behind that’s actually not bad

[hearty terrace]

Yesh cool just meming around wanna push titel and have a main next session/late this session

[opaque quest]

I wouldnt look at VDH right now. They are gonna get nerfed just like Hpal did. There is no way they stay as broken as they are with infinite sigils

[hearty terrace]

Don’t like VDH anyway not my jam

[opaque quest]

Same. MDI starts today if im not mistaken. Wouldnt shock me if VDH gets the axe the second it ends

[hearty terrace]

Hahaha probs

I have a list of 3 tanks I am tossing up playing I play DPS in raid so I gotta think about that too 🙂

[blazing condor]

we're probably gonna see pwarr in mdi somewhere

like everbloom

[hearty terrace]

Rerolling from Augment Prision

[opaque quest]

If you wanna play dps in raid just play Arms. Same stats as prot warr and you can use the legy

[blazing condor]

or wcm

[hearty terrace]

That was my thinking 🙂

That and DK is the only spec that play the same I think

Or close to it

[opaque quest]

What class does DK play close to?

Blood i mean

[hearty terrace]

Both coz No stat is best for BDK

YOU decide what DPS you wanna play and go with that as your BDK stats

You just want ilvl for it

[opaque quest]

Thought you meant playstyle wise. Im playing UH main and Blood in keys

[hearty terrace]

That is what I was thinking about doing

[opaque quest]

You still want haste for BDK but you get 40% for UH anyways

And if you play obliteration 2h you want haste aswell

[hearty terrace]

You say that I asked the Question and Mendel got back to me and said Ilvl how cares about stats

[opaque quest]

Yeah its defo ilvl but haste is still weighed slightly higher

If you got 2 pieces with the same ilvl you choose haste

[hearty terrace]

Fair

It’s pal DK war as my opinions

[tribal wharf]

if you are just a normal player not trying to push 30s play whatever you want as long as it doesnt wipe the group

up to like, what, 24, talents and routes and this and that are all up in the air

[fallow nymph]

hi guys, i am new to prot. what is the rough secondary stat composition we are looking for for m+?

[opal forum]

haste>crit>vers>mastery

[fallow nymph]

got 488 arms/fury gear and looking to put something togehter

[opal forum]

vers and crit are vry similar but if youre tryharding you might want to prioritize crit

[fallow nymph]

okay ty

[tribal wharf]

crit equals / does not equal versa in that formula

you can interchange crit with versa, but its borderline nit picking at that point

[fallow nymph]

looking like this now or is that too much haste ?

[tribal wharf]

you want the +stat number of haste, but generally speaking there is no "too much haste"

7100 is about when we stop seeking more of it

[fallow nymph]

ok i am at 7450

[tribal wharf]

okay, well its you start to loose 10 or 20 % of haste from gear/+stats

after 7100 and then its like, 8000 something is the next which is like 30% tax which isnt worth

[fallow nymph]

switched my neck and now i am at 7110

[opaque quest]

7110 is dope. You want 7101 anyways because of rounding errors

[fallow nymph]

ty guys for the quick responses 😄

[hearty terrace]

I do 25s on my evoker wanna go way higher

[hearty terrace]

Isn’t Crit RNG? Wouldn’t vers be better I am Dumb

[jagged pier]

its not better

the majority of damage u take in keys is melee

parry stop an entire melee

vers doesnt

and over a key rng lvls out

so u will stop far more damage through crit than with vers

[opaque quest]

Parrying an attack also keeps our IP up more often making it absorb more overall

[jagged pier]

u can run vers if u want tho

its makes a marginal difference

[tribal wharf]

the reason to go crit stat is cuz you get parry chance % which totally stops a melee from hitting you

and damage

but versa isnt terrible either, it covers broadly magic damage, probably what we struggle most with

[opaque quest]

Dont forget that vers is also the most expensive stat. If you got 50% vers instead of 25 that'd be pretty nifty

[tribal wharf]

i like both crit or versa, doesnt matter to me

[opaque quest]

You are doing 18s

You can go in blues and clear

But ye tank life who cares about stats

[covert flower]

Think they perform pretty similar to me, never felt like either was the cause of a death anyways

Usually always bad CD management

Never really going to have enough stat budget for one of them to be leaps and bounds more statted than the other considering we want 7100 haste anyways IG

[tribal wharf]

theres a bunch of dungeons in the current pool i just havent got to running and or dont want to run at 20

i dont want to run 20 tyranical everbloom

[covert flower]

Everbloom is piss honestly it's just a group killer dungeon like

Your biggest fear there is your group not you

[tribal wharf]

i don't have anywhere close to enough experience at that dungeon to know what im really doing there

[covert flower]

Get to 3rd boss and just think man I fucking hope my team lives

Get to 2nd boss and think man I hope somebody in my group feels like kicking revitalise today

[tribal wharf]

like, in waycrest, i know precisely how everything works

[covert flower]

Get to last boss and think man I hope my group feels like actually saving some CDs for the add and killing it quickly today

[tribal wharf]

and whats important to kick and when that spell is going to be cast after i pull them

i know what to reflect there all that

i dont have any of that knowledege for some of the other keys and it just makes it all a nightmare

[covert flower]

Everbloom is actually pretty fine for us, you have to do a lot to die in there

[tribal wharf]

mostly second and 3rd boss is what worries me in that place

and boss 1 trash

[covert flower]

2nd boss can be a bastard you just need to make sure you're not getting meleed from behind and keep block up

[tribal wharf]

boss 1 trash is bad, boss 2 trash is meh

rest is piss

[covert flower]

Charge to other boss and use reflect/demoralising/d stance

Boss 1 trash is only bad if your group doesn't kick dancing thorns and let's you chain eat it

If you eat those without spell block up you are getting shit on

[tribal wharf]

i want to run more dht and brh, those seem fun

tree boss bit scary

[covert flower]

Tree boss same thing

Leap the breaths, use d stance/reflect/demoralising for every single grip and try and have some IP going into it

You can also heal during it

[opal forum]

hey guys, im trying to maximize fear usage, but i dont find alot of time to be usefull (knowing that i also have shockwave), is there certain pack in certain dungeons where you rly like to use it?

[covert flower]

It's just another cast stop so, shit like infected thorns in waycrest

Bolts in tides

[tribal wharf]

i think that button is cursed personally

i never run it

[covert flower]

Atal dazar casts

[opal forum]

it dosent feel that useful, im considering not using it anymore for something else, but i see that its always use in big keys (wich im aiming for)

[covert flower]

So, it's definitely one of the weakest aoe stops

[opal forum]

it dosent even work

on so many mobs

unless im crazy

[covert flower]

Yeah some mobs are fear immune and it also is target capped so

[opal forum]

the few time where i was like "ok i should use it here"

they were imune

[covert flower]

Think it's undead/mechanical mobs u can't fear

[tribal wharf]

what i dislike the most is if it goes off and the monster runs towards its friends and it doesnt get broken before hand

[opal forum]

im pretty sure that the goblin caster in throne are immune

oh i guess they are undead

or am i crazy

[covert flower]

They are humanoid pretty sure

Should work on them

[opal forum]

cuz i just tried to used it on them and i feel like it did nothing

and it did went off CD for sure

like i used it

[tribal wharf]

what i do know is fear works on like 0% of the super elites in keys

[covert flower]

Same with all cc though

[opal forum]

that was my feeling

[tribal wharf]

doesnt work on tons of normal elites

[ionic fern]

Pretty sure you can fear them.

[opal forum]

shockwave is way more reliable

[ionic fern]

I use it just as a AoE interrupt.

Nothing else.

[covert flower]

Btw

Use MDT

[opal forum]

ok ok

i do

[covert flower]

To see what they and can't be hit by what cc

[opal forum]

i dont know every single add tho

yeah

[covert flower]

Those gilgoblins can be cced by all cc in-game

[opal forum]

hmm

wonder what happened then

[covert flower]

Some undead stuff can be feared too it's weird

Like the BRH first pull trash can

That's another really good fear spot actually

[opal forum]

yeah

i like to focus on the very important cast

[covert flower]

It'll get broken instantly because you're ripping with lust

[opal forum]

and never care to interupt anything else

so maybe i should use the fear

to interupt the rest

while still interupting the important stuff

maybe thats the way to do it

ill try that ahah

[opaque quest]

Oh damn Danuser has been fired

No more Disney story telling where everybody has some kind of daddy issue

[tribal wharf]

ripbozo

as the kids would say

[covert flower]

thoughts on crit phial for m+

😈

[ionic fern]

https://tenor.com/view/who-gif-4519872

[opaque quest]

Danuser was the lead story writer for BFA SL and DF

So the dude thar drove the story into a wall and ruined sylvanas and Arthas

The dude that removed Malfurion from the story

[ionic fern]

You guys are paying attention to the story?

[opaque quest]

The dude that hates male characters and only like strong empowered females

[ionic fern]

I just auto-skip everything.

[tribal wharf]

WE DEMAND WAR

[ionic fern]

[tribal wharf]

IN OUR WARCRAFCT

[opaque quest]

Like i said. I need a 90% gameplay 10% story mix

[tribal wharf]

big war

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/trisha-paytas-trisha-paytus-war-screaming-gif-25838750

[tribal wharf]

yes exactly

[ionic fern]

I still don't know why Sylvanas was my friend at the end of SL.

So..

😂

[jagged pier]

MY QUEEEN

[tribal wharf]

we need huge fight between horde and alliance

[ionic fern]

Or why the blue dragon girl is giving me quests.

Thought she was bad.

Idk.

[opaque quest]

I cleared Nathria then came back for .2.5 so i missed everything too

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/good-night-gif-15781998705245088091

I liked Sylvanas in WC3 and until BFA. After that oh boi

[tribal wharf]

if blizzard wanted to be really savage to danuser they could have X lore character kill sylvannas body and soul

like chop off the head

[opaque quest]

my go to is to watch cutscenes once then never again

So i got a rough overview of whats happening

[waxen frigate]

I don’t know where I am. I don’t know what’s going on. All I know is I must kill.

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/killu-gif-6159996

@waxen frigate This you?

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/well-brilliant-fantastic-thumbs-up-good-job-gif-15281234

[uneven mason]

Left of his own volition after Chris Metzen buried his gorehowl replica in the roof of Steve's car.

[tribal wharf]

i want to see war and warcrimes

like with beheadings or at least more teethier deaths than just he got buried

[uneven mason]

Peak warcraft

[tribal wharf]

people plotting and being sneaky bitches and attacking vulnerable groups of opposite faction first chance they get

[opaque quest]

Garrosh did nothing wrong

[uneven mason]

Garrosh is a badass NGL

[opaque quest]

Garrosh is the reason i rolled Warr as a main lmao

Cause i read about him in earlier books

[uneven mason]

He murders the fuck out of that bronze dragon that helps him escape

[opaque quest]

Garrosh and Broxigar are peak wow

[uneven mason]

And then takes on 4 warsong while chained

[uneven mason]

Broxigar #1 warrior

[tribal wharf]

an entire expansion of dragons and not to my knowledge at least the player gets vored by said dragon

bit dissapoint

[uneven mason]

It's sad they never brought him more to life in the game

[opaque quest]

Playing the 3 ancient war dungeons in cata was great

Its wild they never elaborated more on how Illidan lost his eyes or Azshara gave up her dignity for sargeras weewee

[tribal wharf]

all the dungeons are good, just some really dont work when you put the m+ numbers to them

[opaque quest]

Such an interesting story. Instead we get oh no daddy neltharion was so mean

[opaque quest]

nono i mean lore wise

They were almost replicas of the war of the ancients trilogy books

[tribal wharf]

most dungeons good lore wise to me

i dont take lore too much seriously

[opaque quest]

There is a certain point where Lore gets to ridiculous tho

For example when there is a nipple smurf that masterminded everything

[tribal wharf]

its like ninja turtles and then donatello uses his bo staff to keep a door open and then it snaps and then next transition or episode hes got it back again

[opaque quest]

Eh thats a TV series for kids. Ill accept it

[tribal wharf]

like, i dont think too hard about it is what i mean

[opaque quest]

But when you wanna be taken serious you dont do those continuity errors

[tribal wharf]

i just think wow should be about the cycle of war and peace

one always follows the other

[opaque quest]

Same

Dragonflight was just boring

[tribal wharf]

i dont think it was so terrible

[uneven mason]

It wasn't bad, it was just boring, and when there was opportunity for real consequences, we instead get the avengers cutscene

[opaque quest]

What did you like most about DF? Blue dragons sister issues with alex or alex daddy issues with neltharion? Or the aspects daddy issues with tyr? Or the dracthyrs daddy issues with neltharion?

Or did you like the: No i cant do it. Ofcourse you can just believe in yourself story the most

[uneven mason]

"our allies are being blocked from entering the dream - because they haven't perfected their poses"

[opaque quest]

Its baffling to me that they havent fired Danuser earlier

The second he presented that sylvanas is going evil and the Jailnkler is evil they shouldve kicked him out the door

[tribal wharf]

more use of explosives too, since we will be going under grou nd

will be important to have digging tools, dynamite

[opaque quest]

Good joke. We are gonna have some "important" character open a portal

Cant market explosives as good as some strong female

[tribal wharf]

its literally called the war within

like as in under the surface

[uneven mason]

That was a Alex Afrasiabi in Steve's defense

[tribal wharf]

its gunna be a bunch of caves and rocks n shit

[opaque quest]

Not purely. Alex and Danuser agreed. I saw an article that lots of writers fought them about it lmao

[opaque quest]

Yeah with some niffen. Hope youre ready

[uneven mason]

The "sylvanas is on our side again" stuff was steve

[tribal wharf]

alex afrasabi is toxic but he is based

[uneven mason]

I'm not sure you're using based right

[opaque quest]

He doesnt

Alex is an idiot

[uneven mason]

But the dude was a pile of shit back on veeshan server

There was a reason why foh had near zero female raiders

[tribal wharf]

the only thing i know about dark age camelot is YOU STOLE MY CLOUDSONG

[uneven mason]

They were all in CT and CD

Who mentioned daoc?

[tribal wharf]

never played it before that or since hearing that clip first time

[opaque quest]

Wanna see our guilds cosby suite?

[uneven mason]

Worse

[opaque quest]

Honestly tho. Danuser replaced metzen as lead creative writer. He had the last word on stuff

But im sure it doesnt help when you have idiots telling another idiot what to do

[uneven mason]

He didn't think women were good enough to play anything but clerics "Because a dog can be trained to sit in a row and press a button every 12 seconds"

[opaque quest]

God damn

[uneven mason]

Yup

[opaque quest]

I dont want woman either in my higher ranked overwatch games but man they arent that stupid

[tribal wharf]

the main one i heard was he was highly gate keeping and possibly racist

[opaque quest]

Its time for cubic crawling bois

[warm plinth]

Am I misunderstanding this

[tribal wharf]

yeah i hadnt heard the thing about women healers he said and to be honest i wish i hadnt

[uneven mason]

Gate keeping is a way to say he gave loot to people who did him favors

[tribal wharf]

cuz i probably wont forget that for a while cuz of how it sounds

[uneven mason]

No it's definitely a "I'm not sexist, but...."

[opaque quest]

It sounds worse than it is. Most women i get in my matches are one tricks and you cant be onetricking in high master low GM

Might be confirmation bias

But thats how it is

[uneven mason]

Might be sexism

[opaque quest]

Might be

[uneven mason]

Maybe it's Maybelline

[opaque quest]

Name one female pro SC2 or Overwatch player

Statistics dont lie

[warm plinth]

Oh dear

[blazing condor]

doesnt mean women are bad per se

the climate of esports are very hard on women

especially from a viewer standpoint

[opaque quest]

Im not saying its because they are women. Its because they are traditionaly less in contact with video games from a very young age like men

Ye

People are fast to call it sexism

But its nuanced

[blazing condor]

well its not exactly easy for women either

we men are lucky to have places where we can go to just exist and relax

women dont really have any

[opaque quest]

No. There is a massive amount of gate keeping

[blazing condor]

if you as a women go into an online game and open your mouth you get bombarded by either sexism or "omg mommy i love u"

and get stalked

[uneven mason]

If I was a woman I wouldn't subject myself to that atmosphere

[opaque quest]

I was waiting for someone to comment scarlet not gonna lie

[warm plinth]

I mean, there's a huge difference between "the elite space is unfriendly to women" and "I don't invite women because x thing that I've stereotyped them about"

[opaque quest]

In my experience men just spent more time in video games thus practicing more

[uneven mason]

I don't really pay attention to eSports but I know enough about how 18-25 year old boys act to know that it would be a serious concern and likely the reason why eSports teams don't recruit women

[opaque quest]

Nobody talked about inviting. Im queueing random and if i get a woman im just as cool to her as to the next dude

But its a competetive environment. And in my 5000 hours in overwatch men just perform better on average than women

[uneven mason]

I'm not sexist, but.....

[warm plinth]

Can you show me the data on that

Because this gives me rag/azralon players suck vibes

[opaque quest]

"And in my 5000 hours of overwatch"

Sure ill keep book now just for you

[warm plinth]

You saying something isn't data sid

Sid

Sir

[opaque quest]

Show me a pro female overwatch team with a positive winrate

Show me 1

Show me a female streamer with 3800 IO

Show me a female GSL competing SC2 player

[blazing condor]

she only got 3796 io this season tho

[opaque quest]

Aight nice. Thats 1 women to how many men?

Im not saying every women is bad. Im saying there are way more men on the top floor in games

[blazing condor]

i mean no one is arguing that

[opaque quest]

And you cant deny that otherwise there would be more female teams that dont lose 0-20

But im being called sexist when i dont wanna take the chances

lmfao

[blazing condor]

but it comes off as you saying the reason is because they're women

just how it sounds

or rather - that women wouldnt have the ability

[opaque quest]

#protection message

[warm plinth]

No one said that there were a lot of women at the top of the game field. But you're basically saying that the reason for that is because women are bad at the game compared to men when in reality it's because women get forced out of the community so often that the percentage is less because the representation is less.

[blazing condor]

also i mean gaming in general is a bigger interest amongst men than women

even though its evening out

[lusty grotto]

good morning

[blazing condor]

hello nim

welcome

[opaque quest]

Its hilarious. You guys are just repeating the points i made

I said there is to much gatekeeping

I also said men are more active in the scene

Thanks for repeating after me tho. Very flattering

[blazing condor]

you're saying there's too much gatekeeping / systematic issues, but then you say you don't trust that a woman with the same rank as you will be good

so it just sounds weird

🤷‍♂️

[lusty grotto]

you know

a side point

[uneven mason]

I still don't have legendary

And that's a fucking crime

[opaque quest]

Thats what you read. What i wrote was that i dont want women in my team because the likely hood of a man playing better is higher

[warm plinth]

You did, but you also said

[opaque quest]

There are lots of women better than me that i want on my team

Yeah its subjective. Wild i know

[warm plinth]

What's subjective

[opaque quest]

That men on my team play better than women i get on my team 🙂

The stereotype that women mostly onetrick mercy feels true

And you cant have that

Remember that men grow up with sports and are basically made into competetive beasts

No gatekeep just dive into it

[warm plinth]

Okay but we aren't talking about women who don't game

[opaque quest]

What do i care about women that dont game in my team

Im playing Palworld with my wife lmao

And she plays an hour a day tops

[warm plinth]

Ffs. I just got to work so i can't continue this but you should probably rethink your take on some things.

[blazing condor]

we can all just chill

since its a pwarr server anyway

and keep on topic

[opaque quest]

Ghash is hard white knighting damn

[lusty grotto]

in xiv there's women en masse, and when finished shadowbringers i was in groups with a lot of them and so i kind of thought that was cool and probably the norm. In WoW i usually stuck with a tiny amount of friends and didnt really raid so i didnt really experience a lot of them in group (there were 1 or 2 in vanilla for sure, but non after that). Now on DF - im actually glad that ive been in 3 different groups that have a fair amount of them, and not only that, but dudes just dont behave like idiots around them and i think its very refreshing

kinda thought the landscape changed a bit when it comes to them, but my perspective is limited, im sure there are dumbasses making it hard for them

[opaque quest]

Ill try to rephrase one last time so ghash doesnt get a heart attack because he doesnt understand nuance. All i wanna do is win in competetive ranked and my chances to find a hyper competetive women that gives everything compared to a hyper competetive man that gives everything is small. If i find a hyper comp woman i dont give a fuck if shes on my team.

[opaque quest]

Way more women in XIV you say? Yeah i noticed. Maybe because the game isnt hyper sweaty like some other games i talked about. Lmfao

[lusty grotto]

i.. dont know about that savage/ults are still pretty sweaty and there hasnt been a group/static that havent been in a group that had no women in it

in fact my current static is 50/50

but im just one guy, i dont really have the data outside of my teams

[opaque quest]

Ive only pugged savage and ults and have noticed more men in there. But that was just some pugs. Not representative

[lusty grotto]

i think the one type of content in WoW that severely lacks women though

is

drumroll pvp

[opaque quest]

Yeah because just like i said pvp is sweaty

[blazing condor]

pvp lacks players in general

[hazy bronze]

Sweaty = toxic and misogynistic?

[opaque quest]

But people call it sexist if you say men are more competetive and tend to train and play more

[lusty grotto]

probably because just about any pvp group is fucking racist and absolute garbage

ESPECIALLY RBG discords

[blazing condor]

RBGs

[opaque quest]

God

[opaque quest]

No sweaty means you gotta give it all or you get kicked after the game

And men get in contact with sweaty sports from a young age when women are traditionally more in contact with barbie

[uneven mason]

Sweaty means you're obsessively pushing for progress in a game at the exclusion of everything else (like bathing)

See also neckbeard

Or poop socking

[opaque quest]

Wtf is poop socking

[opaque quest]

See what i mean tho. You get called sexist because its easier than thinking about the context.

[uneven mason]

Can't be fucked to afk for toilet, poop in your sock

[opaque quest]

I only remember the raid buddy meme where you tie a bottle to your leg and use a catheter

[uneven mason]

https://www.reddit.com/r/everquest/comments/b3irrd/what_is_a_poop_sock/

[lusty grotto]

have you guys ever know someone that has actually done those for real? i swear it was always been joked about, but i havent personally gotten to know someone that did it

like any of the 2

[blazing condor]

closest i know is the OSRS player who sat in his own shit for a few hours

[opaque quest]

All i know about are the magic coom artifacts

[uneven mason]

Never met anyone who did that myself no,

[blazing condor]

when he was going for rank 1 smithing xp earned in 24 hours

[lusty grotto]

well i guess there are always extremes

[opaque quest]

https://www.youtube.com/@JustinWhangYt/videos If it exists this guy has made a video about it

[uneven mason]

And I had players who put themselves in the hospital to keep raiding

[lusty grotto]

that

[uneven mason]

But never heard about poop socking

[lusty grotto]

i know people that did that as well

[opaque quest]

Maybe they played better from the hospital. Look at what soken made while he battled cancer

[lusty grotto]

including myself

like from a myriad of things of course, from severe dehydration to more serious shit

well dehydration is serious in itself

[opaque quest]

Always stay hydrated

[lusty grotto]

but nothing seriously concerning pissing in bottles and/or poop socking

[uneven mason]

I got a call from an angry mother of one of my raiders because the kid had CFS but somehow managed to marathon 48 hours in plane of hate

[opaque quest]

I guess its easier when you dont live alone

Cause i got someone nagging me when i play to much

[lusty grotto]

lol

[uneven mason]

Don't worry about dehydration when you have a mini fridge filled with jolt cola

[opaque quest]

Its so bad for your health tho

[lusty grotto]

its a joke, soda dehydrates you too

in fact it does so faster

[opaque quest]

nono

It feels like it does

[uneven mason]

Also constipated you, solves the "get up to poo" issue

[opaque quest]

Just drink carbonated water

I mean you can just not fill your body with shit and have a decent 30 second poop everytime

[uneven mason]

30 seconds not watching my 3-5 day respawn timer for the Lich of miragul

Not a chance

[echo egret]

There was a discussion some time ago about the Hearthbane Triad and what needed to be kicked... what was it already ? The witch with the iris only casts at the tank ?

[lusty grotto]

you dont kick iris witch

ever

[uneven mason]

Reflect

[lusty grotto]

if your dps and heals are kicking iris holder they are inting

with any tank

not just us

[uneven mason]

But we, reflect

[lusty grotto]

but yeah we get massive gains with reflect

[echo egret]

so they are supposed to focus kick the other witches while DPsing the main one ?

[lusty grotto]

correct

the biggest issue is most people dont focus target kick

[echo egret]

cough I doubt half the puggers have a focus kick macro

[lusty grotto]

so they just kick the iris holder every single time

and the bulk of damage is coming from the 2 inactive ones on the party

aside from iris holder mechs

shit adds up

same logic for EB council

[echo egret]

and you need to periodically change your focu target on top of that, yeah that won't be happening in my average pugs 🙂

[lusty grotto]

if you dont kick EVERYTHING

you will get outdamaged

if your group is holding kicks for stun and heal, it'll become unhealable

so you kick as much as you can, even if they still turret them

[echo egret]

hmm, on that one it sounds much harder, since you need to kick stun and heal

[opaque quest]

You got 5 ppl

You gotta interrupt 2

Leaves you with 3

For 2 witches

Just bring a resto sham with 12sec interrupt

[lusty grotto]

yeah for council you have 2/3 free rotating kicks

you want ranged kicks on the specials usually cause longer cds

[echo egret]

or bring a priest who has zero !

[opaque quest]

[lusty grotto]

yeah well

[opaque quest]

Specc decrepency is great isnt it

[lusty grotto]

dont bring more than 1 priest

[echo egret]

aye

[opaque quest]

Or bring a hunter that hasnt talented interrupt

[echo egret]

tbh Blizzard claims they want to go away from class homogeinization, but they don't design dungeons and challegnes around dthat

[opaque quest]

Everybody should have an interrupt

Nobody cares about pvp anyways

Just make every interrupt from melees 12 and every ranged 24 maybe apart from priest cause it can be proactive

[lusty grotto]

i dont think giving the tools necessary to do the job should have anything to do with homogenization, people heavily mix the two

kicks should be 100% standard