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chilly brook
uneven trench
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DAMMIT I JUST LIKE WARRIOR

blazing condor
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play what you like

uneven trench
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why can't it be more viable

jagged pier
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then dps m+

chilly brook
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Or that

jagged pier
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its perfectly viable

chilly brook
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More than viable tbh

blazing condor
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you got pwarrs doing 29+ keys

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its np

chilly brook
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Arms owns in keys

blazing condor
chilly brook
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Fury never dies and does good damage

jagged pier
uneven trench
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I prefer fury I like having 2 swords for tmog

blazing condor
chilly brook
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So just play fury

uneven mason
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So that dudes talents

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chilly brook
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It owns

uneven trench
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Well I'm not a gfuel snorting monster that has played since wrath

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I only do 25s or lower

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Anything higher is pure pain bc I pug it all

shut summit
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ok

jagged pier
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he has spoken

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🙏

toxic pewter
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What a weird interaction

blazing condor
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couldnt have said it better myself

uneven mason
uneven trench
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Yes

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I just want my class to be better it sucks when everything else feels better to play

toxic pewter
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Wat are you even going on about

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Prot warr is the most fun tank

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If you’re not having fun play something else

uneven mason
uneven trench
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I don't wanna play something else I've always been a warrior

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I want us to be BETTER

toxic pewter
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?

jagged pier
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we have only had buffs since S1 nerf

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so i dont know what u want

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đŸ€·

uneven trench
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Ranged interrupt

waxen frigate
uneven trench
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More group wide utility

waxen frigate
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Also idk a polearm option would be lit

jagged pier
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at least thats reasonable response NIsh

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instead of i want to be better

uneven trench
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Mf i just gave you two examples of things we lack

lusty grotto
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is that the weekly "validate my decision" guy?

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play what you want, we dont wanna hear your excuses for doing so

jagged pier
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what group wide utility do u want

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'group utility' is a wide statement

lusty grotto
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and typing them out here just screams insecurity and indecision

jagged pier
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we actually have a fair bit of it

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but its useless

chilly brook
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Let me get banner again and titans grip

jagged pier
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in the current dungeon pool

waxen frigate
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I think warriors getting some sort of like

uneven trench
waxen frigate
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Ground targeted grip (like chains) would be cool

chilly brook
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Honestly what I’d like to have is glad spec back but we won’t ever get it

waxen frigate
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Like some sort of throw down a spear and it harpoons bitches idk

chilly brook
waxen frigate
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^

chilly brook
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I hate to break it to you but what tank spec is meta has almost nothing to do with “utility”

lusty grotto
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nish wheres the high intensity trolling sadge

uneven trench
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Can be clutch on unavoidable boss AoE in high Tyrannical keys

waxen frigate
chilly brook
waxen frigate
lusty grotto
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i did not

chilly brook
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DH had a lot of utility in BFA, as did DK

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But prot warrior dominated

waxen frigate
# chilly brook It is though

It’s just more about what fits the dungeons’ utility needs. Not what the actual utility is in a vacuum

chilly brook
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Just be tanky and do a lot of damage and you get brought

waxen frigate
blazing condor
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we back on this discussion point today agian

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pog

uneven mason
jagged pier
lusty grotto
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lol

uneven trench
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Utility doesn't make people meta? When one tank can full heal people, interupt everything, and handle every affix? While pwar can take a lot of physical damage and has decent stops and then... Well that's it.

Crazy take.

lusty grotto
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anyway this about sums it up

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and typing them out here just screams insecurity and indecision```
jagged pier
uneven mason
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Pwar in bfa was just fucking overpowered

tribal wharf
jagged pier
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and we were 'best' in S1

chilly brook
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“Utility” starts mattering when you become the best tank for the season in terms of just staying alive for big pulls

tribal wharf
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thats the best neck in the game besides like mythic fyrak r ight

lusty grotto
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mythic fyrakk doesnt have a neck

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nymue does

tribal wharf
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sure but you get what im saying, i pray

uneven mason
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However utility starts to matter when tank balance is good

chilly brook
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Prot pally has always had insane utility since Legion but it never saw popularity in m+ until late SL

lusty grotto
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why are we still talking about this

uneven mason
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If you have 5 tanks who can all live the gigga pull you take the one that can do the most "extra"

chilly brook
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Sure

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Or the one that makes the pull die quicker

uneven mason
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Or negate mechanics

tribal wharf
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ya that one u talkinga botu would be nice

uneven mason
lusty grotto
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none of us forgot

uneven trench
lusty grotto
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all 3 of us were around in here by then

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and there it is

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remember when i said insecurity and indecision

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lol

jagged pier
lusty grotto
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ez clap

uneven mason
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Yellow name toxicity

uneven trench
# lusty grotto lol

Me: Buff warrior other tanks feel much better.

This dude: UR INSECURE HAHA BRO 😎

lusty grotto
uneven mason
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🙃

jagged pier
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because the play style sucks

waxen frigate
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At least for the last 2 expacs

waxen frigate
chilly brook
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Correct

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Because utility means nothing if you can’t be a good tank

waxen frigate
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Yep

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As long as you meet the minimum entry requirement (not dying), that’s what matters

jagged pier
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memeber when everyone was telling me and nome paladin were paper and aweful in S1, when we said week 1 it was meta

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i member

waxen frigate
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No I had quit this discord because I dislike having a low-res chatting emoji but now I shitpost here so I have conceded that loss

uneven mason
tribal wharf
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technically its an upgrade i supppose

uneven mason
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I remember I said the same thing in dreamgrove and had some dude dm.stalk me over it because they were so furious I suggested another tank was better than pwar

tribal wharf
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i guess its an upgrades

jagged pier
waxen frigate
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Just play brewmaster

jagged pier
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another tank u dont get ppl acting like that

waxen frigate
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(Hasn’t been meta since I started playing the game)

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(Nobody knows we exist or how we work)

pliant trout
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i think in bfa brew was meta no?

jagged pier
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i member when monk used previous tier gear in antorus because Tos tier was busted and made u immortal

waxen frigate
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I started in 9.0 notably

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And it was meta for 1 season in BfA from what I understand

jagged pier
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i mean not really ppl though bdk was

waxen frigate
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This season is definitely the worst we’ve been since I started

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We just offer nothing

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Thoroughly mediocre

uneven trench
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Careful now asking for utility around here is forbidden apparently

uneven mason
jagged pier
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guard

uneven mason
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Yes

jagged pier
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brew was also meta in mop

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for CMS

waxen frigate
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We have guard

jagged pier
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no u dont

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its not the same

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old guard

uneven mason
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It's not guard

jagged pier
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was busted

uneven mason
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Old guard soooo fucked

lusty grotto
waxen frigate
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Wait was there new guard

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And that’s what we have now

jagged pier
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yer the old spell is gone completely

waxen frigate
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Ah

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I was gonna say I thought CB was guard

jagged pier
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anyway where canned fish review?

waxen frigate
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I’ll have a can tonight

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Thoughts on which?

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The nuri spiced sardines were fucking banger bro

jagged pier
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POG

waxen frigate
blazing condor
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if u gonna eat canned fish you gotta go for the surströmming

waxen frigate
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(Idk what the difference between the 2 sardine cans is I don’t fr*nch)

blazing condor
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the fermented herring

lusty grotto
chilly brook
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Buuuuut

waxen frigate
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Ya but apparently there was a different guard before?

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Idk man

chilly brook
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You lack vengeance

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So

jagged pier
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well and u need to stack CB stacks

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u didnt need that with guard

chilly brook
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I miss old BrM a lot

waxen frigate
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Tbf

chilly brook
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BrM with chi was so good

waxen frigate
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Current brew is extremely fun

jagged pier
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i miss Tos brew, u had so many orbs cause of tier

chilly brook
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Brew with chi was peak

uneven mason
waxen frigate
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With a lot of skill expression

chilly brook
jagged pier
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no its subjective

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honestly get rid of RSK an brew would be fun

waxen frigate
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SCK is such a dogshit ability

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And baits people so hard

uneven trench
uneven mason
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New guard in bfa (current guard) absorbs the next x amount from your stagger

lusty grotto
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youre welcome

waxen frigate
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Well

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Sorta

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That’s current tier set

chilly brook
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I think the class as a whole suffered by removal of chi from all specs except for WW

waxen frigate
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But the other guard you’re describing is just celestial brew other than the healing received

chilly brook
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I still hate blizz for doing that in Legion pre-patch

uneven trench
jagged pier
# waxen frigate SCK is such a dogshit ability

well yes, but really it should only be useable in aoe not ST, i just dont like a button u have to press on such a small cd when there isnt really space in the rotation its just annoying to me thats why i dont like RSK

uneven mason
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And I'm wod brm had a grace period where you could cap out stagger in a single burst and it wouldn't register the red stagger for 3s

waxen frigate
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Brew needs to have RSK, SCK, TP, and RJW rolled into no more than 2 abilties total

waxen frigate
uneven mason
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So you could take a fuckton more damage

chilly brook
jagged pier
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so it can stay

waxen frigate
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Lmao

chilly brook
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SCK is fine as an ability

waxen frigate
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I’ll allow it to stay if it stops being a channel

chilly brook
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RJW should just either replace it or go away

waxen frigate
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And just becomes 4 ticks over 1 sec without a cast bar

waxen frigate
chilly brook
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Nah

waxen frigate
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Press it, it ticks 4 times

chilly brook
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RJW should be a replacement

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Talent

waxen frigate
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Channel/melee cancel is cringe

chilly brook
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Like it always was

jagged pier
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nels fury was worse than RSK

uneven mason
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To put it mildly, brm could single tank mythic kromog

waxen frigate
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Also remove fucking purifying brew from BOC

jagged pier
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let me sit and channel this thing that does bug all damage for 5 seconds

waxen frigate
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please god

chilly brook
lusty grotto
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i agree NF gameplay wise was ass

waxen frigate
lusty grotto
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but the defensiveness was a good upside

chilly brook
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No like the channel shouldn’t stop your melee

waxen frigate
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That didn’t answer my question

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At all

waxen frigate
chilly brook
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Odd

waxen frigate
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I’m saying it shouldn’t be a channel at all, therefore alleviating that

waxen frigate
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hence the WW complaints about autoattack based tier sets when 2 of their core abilities prevent auto attacks (FOF and SCK)

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It’s also already an extremely weird channel

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You can use other abilities during the channel (except for other casts/channels, and up until very recently expel harm as well) without canceling it

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And it pandemics itself in a unique way

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It’s just so convoluted for no reason

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Make it into rampage except it hits in a circle

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In terms of push button -> 4 hits

chilly brook
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I don’t mind the channel

waxen frigate
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There’s literally zero benefit. It’s buggy and always has been

chilly brook
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The biggest problem that exists with a channel on a melee is whether you can move or not and they fixed those issues

waxen frigate
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And with stuff like PtA you have to play with a fucking swing timer

chilly brook
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FoF back when you couldn’t move while channeled

waxen frigate
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In order to optimize

chilly brook
waxen frigate
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As a result

chilly brook
waxen frigate
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You’re fucked for that

chilly brook
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But then again I enjoyed playing around a swing timer as arms before DF

waxen frigate
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Also brew in particular has a bug with SCK where sometimes it interrupts the channel after 1 tick due to being shapeshifted into another race

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Or early xpac when counterstrike would be consumed by the first tick, only buffing 1/4 of the ability

chilly brook
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I mean a lot of these problems could be fixed by going back to pre legion monk

waxen frigate
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There’s just no positive to it being a channel. It does nothing good. It’s just a buggy mess

waxen frigate
chilly brook
waxen frigate
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Oh also the fact expel harm for whatever reason is a half GCD

waxen frigate
chilly brook
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That would address the issue though

waxen frigate
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It wouldn’t

chilly brook
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Why wouldn’t it?

waxen frigate
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Because SCK also interacts with various other talents in different ways

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And offering you the ability to opt out of using a buggy mess of an ability doesn’t mean it isn’t a buggy mess of an ability

grim pilot
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Do you have legendary? @waxen frigate

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Its unclear to me

waxen frigate
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Yeah

lusty grotto
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nish did you see i got 2 of them last week?

blazing condor
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wat

waxen frigate
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Is it better now

blazing condor
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oh

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on different toons ofc

lusty grotto
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true true

winged slate
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Finally, after so many AD

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lusty grotto
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gz!

blazing condor
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gz

dusky canopy
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Can’t wait to get my 489 might and also lego this week

lusty grotto
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i bet youll get it

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but my luck is extremely bad so i might have hexed you

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well aside from last week i guess lol

dusky canopy
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Bro at least you didn’t lose a 500k roll and two 250k rolls back to back

lusty grotto
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ouch

dusky canopy
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No more gamble till axe

tribal wharf
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i have 2.5 sparks, could make a 2h

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do bracer next week, then just do all the crafts to aspect as i get replacements

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ah yes, of course, wcm has the best belt as well, fml

waxen frigate
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Can’t wait to not log in until raid

tribal wharf
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thank you item restor

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(cuz i'd have 2 flame patches equippred without this)

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now need to farm 140 flight stone

lusty grotto
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im so confused

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you should have 2 shadowflame patches

rough ridge
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is it fairly normal to not be pressing revenge super often? Feeling like I am often in the feedback loop of proccing tier then reapplying rend with thunderclap just to instantly shield slam again over and over

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maybe I am using ignore pain too much but it feels like to only way to dump all my rage sometimes

blazing condor
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you definitely use revenge less often this tier

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but you should still be pressing it

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to fish for ss resets and stuff

rough ridge
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yeah I do find myself pressing it but there's just loops where my 4pc reprocs right away so I am stuck just using SS and TC and ignore pain

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sometimes if I cant shield slam thats when I just press revenge

blazing condor
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well revenge doesnt really hit for a lot anyway

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you're better off using ss/tc

lusty grotto
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youre fine

pallid quiver
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But yeah, this tier set drastically reduces the number of times you engage with Revenge at all; it is quite common to end up in a SS/TC/SS/TC... loop

rough ridge
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is that the same for m+ as well? Just feels a bit weird from what I am used to in the past (have only just started messing with prot again)

pallid quiver
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Correct, yes

rough ridge
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Cool

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I am finding that ignore pain often resets the tier proc by itself in 1-2 casts unless I am a bit unlucky

pallid quiver
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That's also correct; the tier set actually works on hardcoded percent chances based on ability used

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IP is at like a 90% chance to proc the tier set

winged slate
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Revenge is a little noodle hit so it's nbd to not hit it much

rough ridge
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ah ok well great info to have

pallid quiver
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Slam and Whirlwind have a 0% chance, even further reminding you that those shouldn't be on your bars, and Shield Block/Revenge/Exe are like 15% or something

tribal wharf
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but they are in shit locations

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same with food probably

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its not perfect, but it gets the job done

high mesa
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Just lost heroic rageheart to a havoc -.-

blazing condor
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u mean a vdh

high mesa
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pretty much

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how is the current state of group loot with the rageheart defensable

grand veldt
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But when avatar is up its always ss tc

pallid quiver
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Deep Wounds is automatically applied via auto attacks with Devastator

grand veldt
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Yeah that doesn't apply it to every single mob in a fall pull

lusty grotto
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doesnt really matter

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since you consume bleeds on one target

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so devastator is enough

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our tier set is not fyralath

torn gulch
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Reduced the number of Corrupted Seeds created from 2 to 1

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phase 3 becomes so much easier

tribal wharf
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i made another healer rage

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pallid quiver
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"i'm not bitching YOU'RE bitching"

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never change, wow crowd

tribal wharf
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i cant decide which crowd is angrier mages or priests

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both are entilted as all hell

uneven mason
tribal wharf
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mages usually go like durrr big numbas

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but, that works

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"so, i casted my frost bolt spell at you and so now your frozen and your dead i killed u lol" mage in pvp probably

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thats an interesting topic, in league, you can be reported for non communication in the actual battle portion of the game

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should it be the same in wow keys/raids or no?

warm plinth
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I don't know but I can guarantee one thing

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Yogi ignored that guy

tribal wharf
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this is the craft to do huh

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i have my replacement belt ready now

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dont have a 483 shield, let alone 483 haste one

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i don't really want to get into why i made the dumb 4 witches pull, tldr i was trying to pull the dogs alone in the corner dps got antsy and hit the main pack, so it went to hell

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i had only tagged the 2nd pack of dogs instead of first, so was out of sinc

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and then after we killed that and regrouped, pulled 2 witches + 2 witches and planned to pull matron in at end to make up time, 2 witches solo would be bad time investment and adding hallway trash with it would be weird

balmy canyon
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Thoughts on 325 avoidance or a socket from the vault?

timber nest
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soomething im missing here? simming both crafted rings and its telling me this is my BIS

blazing condor
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Id pick socket

timber nest
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its not a vault sim

blazing condor
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Was a reply to dude above

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Also its a bit better to sim without all the raid cooldowns and buffs

timber nest
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oh my b

blazing condor
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Makes it more consistant if you dont assume you gonna have windfury and PI and shit

timber nest
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oh true

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it just seems weird that its telling me a crafted ring is better than the other

waxen frigate
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Fish review time

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Featuring whatever the hell this is

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Lorge bois

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timber nest
tribal wharf
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maybe i craft a neck since cant actually get a haste versa neck atm

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not until fated at least

blazing condor
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Windfury alone is like 15k for us

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Sorry scratch that

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Like 5-10k

waxen frigate
# waxen frigate Fish review time

Review: Not as good as the Nuri Spiced sardines, but solid. I really have no clue what pissaladiere is, nor what it's supposed to taste like, but it wasn't bad.

timber nest
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feeeeling good

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jagged gust
waxen frigate
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ya i asked one of my friends and he knew because he's a chef or something (he's just a nerd)

jagged gust
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ah I too am a food nerd, all of the knowledge with next to none of the skill to make it

strong forum
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pain

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depleted cuz i did some stupid pulls so the route was slow

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and trolled on invis skip

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but omg its so easy to tank

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shouldnt have run cheat death

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absolutely troll

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i never dropped below 80% hp

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aside from oakheart from being thrown

warm plinth
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Did you know that if you stack in melee, the stalkers at the end don't teleport?

strong forum
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yes

warm plinth
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I just learned that a few days ago

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Never knew that

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And I played in Legion. I'm washed

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😱

torn gulch
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while i don't tank that high darkheart is much more manageable now

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as a tank

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dps still get shredded if they troll

warm plinth
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Cats are no joke, and the ruiners are fuckin spooky in pugs

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I swear people forget kicks exist in that area

tribal wharf
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also i didnt enchant my new bracer yet, there i enchanted them now

strong forum
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How do i tank Oakheart in DHT?
With having Rageheart Equipped an a healer with an External on voice i rotated my CDs like this
for grips:

  • In theory can you have SR+IV+Demo Shout for every grip
  • SW->Rageheart->SW->External->SW->Rageheart->SW->External
  • Make sure to use IV to top you on the final tick of the Grip to be close to full HP for the throw.
    heres my first attempt at tanking the boss on 28Tyr where i do a few mistakes
  • https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2055434935
Twitch
28tyr Oakheart as Pwar + Disc - nomeratur on Twitch

nomeratur went live on Twitch. Catch up on their World of Warcraft VOD now.

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added it to the pin at the bottom in the channel

warm plinth
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😏

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I assume you meant SR+IV+Demo for every grip?

strong forum
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thx

lusty grotto
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i gots me a gholak

warm plinth
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Heroic?

lusty grotto
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yeah on guild run

warm plinth
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Time to change name

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lol

lusty grotto
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done

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2nd week guild run

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kinda good that i joined a guild lol

strong forum
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im actually so disheartened

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about depleting that 28dht

warm plinth
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Video is like, 3/10 because no crazy Nome hair

lusty grotto
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dont worry nome

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go agane

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next key

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you got it ez

warm plinth
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Otherwise would be 10/10

strong forum
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feels like shit to deplete a key by 30sec cuz you did an invis skip slow and you pulled 2 wrong packs

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instead of just 1shotting the key

warm plinth
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:pepehands

strong forum
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and getting 20 score

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😡

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cuz my god nothing does dmg to a pwar

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actually feels like a 15

warm plinth
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Didn't you used to wear glasses

strong forum
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ya i been wearing contacts for 2 years now

warm plinth
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Gotcha

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I think the last video of yours I saw was when you were doing an Org vision

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Man rageheart is so strong; hp didn't even move keks

strong forum
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i paired it with SW once

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which is one of the fuck ups

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so i needed a 2nd PS for the grip

warm plinth
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Yeah I saw you had to get PS on the next one

strong forum
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ye

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sad that the audio got muted

warm plinth
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Yeah, guess because of the music?

strong forum
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so it would give a little bit more insight in how i called my defensives

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yeah

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which is funny cuz it was medieval music

warm plinth
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lol

strong forum
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youd think that wouldnt get copyright muted

warm plinth
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I play a mobile game that has a pretty big youtube community and they all use the same like 10 non-copyrighted techno songs

strong forum
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cba that shit

warm plinth
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Or not non-copyrighted but w/e the thing is where it's free use

strong forum
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C B A

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i rather listen to good music

warm plinth
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Yeah

strong forum
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than pain myself with musicless vods but voice

warm plinth
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There's apparently a way you can create a second virtual audio channel on OBS so it only streams like discord and not music

strong forum
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or stream without good music so people cant jam with me on stream

warm plinth
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but idk how to do it; smol brain

strong forum
#

yeah but thats cringe

winged slate
#

Nah don't stream music, let people use their own soundtrack

strong forum
#

i want people to jam with me

warm plinth
#

I can't listen to music while I play though so it isn't an issue for me

#

It distracts me

strong forum
#

i cant play without music

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it bores me

#

good music makes me do more dam

winged slate
#

My problem is if I want to watch someone but I don't wanna listen to their shit

#

Like Mathil

strong forum
#

lost by 1.3k cuz depleto

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and dumbass cheat death

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pointless trinket

warm plinth
#

@patent osprey yo why you letting scrub wars beat you

strong forum
#

his log is from 3 months ago

warm plinth
#

He was just ahead of his time

knotty pewter
warm plinth
#

I've had like 4 or 5 takers so far

strong forum
warm plinth
#

Me too, me too

#

I'm actually getting ready to buzz mine because I'm just fighting the inevitable at this point

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I need to know why Blizzard has shield charge coded to have a separate cast for every target it hits

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like why

strong forum
#

cuz it was buggy as fuck

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on beta

warm plinth
#

ah, so typical blizzard bandaid

patent osprey
knotty pewter
#

i just kinda wish it didnt stun.
my comp has major stun dr problems. i have to make sure to use it on cc immune targets

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im sure im a minority in that opinion though

strong forum
#

Woulda been 20 puntos first try

lusty grotto
#

veinte puntos

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the olde dos cero

violet flume
#

wanted to try keys above 20 for fun for my weekly vault

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i somehow fat fingers and shield charged a mob way in the back and got like 7 hits from the back and died and group disbanded on first pull 😩

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never did that before lmao

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why do warriors have to be so weak from behind man makes me feel stupid everytime

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they yelled at me for not speccing aoe interrupt

pallid quiver
#

There'll be a post on reddit or the forums soon enough saying warriors can't tank 16s

I know you did above a 20, but

violet flume
#

well theres a lot of shit prot warriors with like 60% uptime on shieldblock

#

ive been doing higher keys on my prot paladin and holy there are some stuff i never cared about on my warrior that make sme scared on him

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well mostly the stormstrike totem boss in TotT

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on warrior i feel like theres no differnece when its down

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oh well at least i went and time a 21 waycrest and murozond

lusty grotto
#

youre not supposed to back tank with any tank

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you miss a big chunk of passive mit

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dodging from bears

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parries/passive block from prot pallies, parries from vdh, parries from BDK, dodges from brews

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you SHOULD care about NOT back tanking

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being a prot warrior prepares you for it

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and you should apply it to any other tank

winged slate
#

Just be glad you can't get crit in the back anymore

#

Hilarious watching warriors turn around and sit during garrosh

violet flume
#

i didnt mean to back tank

winged slate
#

Just to crank up their vengeance

violet flume
#

i just find it funny i evaporated from back tanking a few hits due to a terrible shield charge on a caster mob behind me

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i do feel like prot warriors get extra punished for it compared to other tanks which is kinda lame, but thatll never change because its a "git gud" issue which is probably why warriors are seen bad since its easy to take a few hits when grabbing multiple groups sometimes ifyou dont strafe super well

lusty grotto
#

you get extra punished because youre doing a 20+ where it scales 10% more dmg in each key level up

violet flume
#

no i mean like bears ironfur and absorb effect is in full power even from the back, you jut dont dodge

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warrior you lose all of your shieldblock

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you shouldnt do it, but god damn if you mess up

lusty grotto
#

you STILL lose a lot of mit

#

as bear

violet flume
#

yes, im just saying its 3x worse for warrior

winged slate
#

At this point most tanks have what, 30%+ avoidance?

#

Imagine the poor prot paladin who can't have consecration up while he's running around pulling serveral packs

violet flume
#

ya, so you take lets say 30% more damage as a bear. warrior you take 30% more from parry dodge and 50% more from no shield block or whatevre the real numbers are

lusty grotto
#

thats not how it works

violet flume
#

well i hate that too lmao

warm plinth
#

You can both parry and dodge as a warrior. And you have a chance to block even without shield block active.

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(Though realistically you have like 3% dodge chance)

lusty grotto
#

i kind of

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hate and love nymue

#

as dps

#

its fun to dodge but holy shit sometimes you get astro fucked

#

doing bombs as dps is fucking aids

#

but the rest is awesome

surreal birch
# lusty grotto hate and love nymue

ye I don't like that you have to move out with bombs, but you can always low-ball it and move last sec and get back (charge on warrior fe.) but I'm done even trying to beat my dps on her without augury lol

dusky canopy
#

Greater week!

real minnow
#

Hey Guys - what is better to take from Vault: Set-Gloves with Avoidance (already have Set-Gloves) or take a Socket?

surreal birch
#

depends on content you do, but socket is like +1k dps in st sims

real minnow
wooden lotus
#

Question about caps: I've read going above 30% haste runs into DR as Prot, is that roughly correct? Or does the 30% not matter at all, and you only want to throw on haste gear at the expense of other stats?

I only ask because I'm juggling some gear around to raise both my crit and vers up - at the expense of haste.
-Before changing stuff around, Haste=41%, Crit=24%, Vers=15%, Mast=22%.
-After swapping a ring and wrist, its Haste=34%, Crit = 27%, Vers = 20%, Mast=22%.

Is it worth upping the other stats for the sake of improving the overall build? Thanks in advance.

vocal nimbus
#

Look at raw stats not percentages

wooden lotus
#

Is it 5400 haste as the raw stat to aim for? and then once there, start swapping?

vocal nimbus
#

Around 6500

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I run crit close to 6k, haste around 6.3 and vers 3k

#

Also depends on ilvl equipped and sockets

lyric cape
#

7100 is hastecap so a little below that

wooden lotus
#

so it is 7100 with Into the Fray - to get the 10%

vocal nimbus
#

You dont count itf

wooden lotus
#

Okay, gotcha

vocal nimbus
#

DR does not affect ItF so it gets better the closer you are to the haste cap

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As it can go above it without dr

wooden lotus
#

Okay, so then of those three, its Contempt and then Signet, based on ilvl and stat alignment?

vocal nimbus
#

Just get as much haste and then sim

wooden lotus
#

ya, it was like 200 dps diff on the sim

vocal nimbus
#

Cant tell without seeing the full picture

wooden lotus
#

Okay, so big thing I wanted to confirm was the haste cap is way higher than stated previously: 7100. Great to know. Thanks guys.

violet ginkgo
silk wadi
#

how important is leech for us, say 483 pants with leech vs 489 pants

jagged pier
#

u dont drop ilvl for teraries

#

we arent healers

silk wadi
#

leech does a solid chunk of my healing so dont know how important ir almost 3% leech vs some primaries

jagged pier
#

its not important

#

as i just said

#

we get 10% leech from talents

#

thats more than enough

#

we arent a healing tank u shouldnt care about your won healing meter

#

we are a mitigation tank

opal forum
#

for the big keys war, what are your thoughts over switching weapons in an m+? Lets say for example that you don't have Gholak, would you consider switching to Servant Splitter on single target boss, then switch back to a normal weapon with regular stats for everything else?

jagged pier
#

will literally change nothing

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just keep the stat wep

#

because in high keys u pull mobs onto a fair few bosses

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where stats already out trumps boss splitter

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cause its aoe

#

also the defensive value of the extra stats is just better than a random proc on a wep

opal forum
#

i understand, but there's still some boss that are almost pure single target even in high keys

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ok ok

blazing condor
#

dog vault

warm plinth
blazing condor
#

another week - another "if i spec dps rageheart drops and if i spec tank augury drop"

warm plinth
#

But on the plus side

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hoary bough
#

i have 486 crafted weps, cheat trinket, and i just do m+ -- should i open the vault in prot spec for the chance at that slightly higher shield, or fury for a chance at trinkets like rezan/fall trinket? i don't have the brh one, not sure how good that is

hardy snow
#

funny buff from event quest, Gholak murdered me at over 120 stacks XD

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timber nest
oblique belfry
#

is good opinion take wrist with tinker? into myth dung. wrist havnt sec stat is good choice?

#

if y which tinker is msot useable

jagged pier
#

i mean u can run it if u want

#

but in general an emblishment goes on wrists

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as its least stats lost

tribal wharf
#

i got bothsuggested and battle rez bracer

#

i dunni how likely i am to get good haste myth gear anytime soon and then upgrade it to 489, so im not too concerned about crafting something dumb

#

technically 486 crafted higher ilvl than what a 20 can directly drop, hero gear that stops at 483

#

then, you really only need to keep 2 maybe 3 of them, embellishmentx2 maybe food buff,

oblique belfry
#

thx

fresh granite
#

Would it be worth to take these wrists and put the embellishment on another slot or just take something else?

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blazing condor
#

if you have another slot where you dont lose strength you could

#

but long term if you got everything myth track you gonna want embellish on brace

warm plinth
#

Just depends what you have and what you're likely to get really. It's hard to make any sort of decision when all we're seeing is a screenshot of a possible item

fresh granite
#

Yea makes sense

#

Thank you

blazing condor
#

but if you can upgrade a 483 > 486 crafted with embellish where you dont lose a bunch of main stat then go for it

fresh granite
#

Yea thats kinda what I was thinking

#

I wont be pushing that high of content with this character anyway I wont be able to get everything myth

blazing condor
#

well theoretically if you can get 18s in vault you'll at least get one myth track

#

or if you clear bosses on mythic ig

fresh granite
#

I wont be mythic raiding on it so my only source will be vault

hoary bough
blazing condor
#

ye

hoary bough
#

nice, nice, just no +3 ilevel shield

warm plinth
#

Right, and no tank trinkets but if you're not raiding anyway, that doesn't matter

tribal wharf
#

hunters...

warm plinth
#

wat

#

what's that?

jagged pier
#

that will be for sod

warm plinth
#

oh

#

OH, right. You placed traps directly in front of you in vanilla; I had forgotten that.

hoary bough
warm plinth
#

eh, cheat trinket is unnecessary unless you're pushing like 29-30 keys

hoary bough
#

i like it rn because i'm undergeared and want to run battle stance all the time, it's a nice failsafe for when i screw up

timber nest
restive scroll
hoary bough
#

will grow out of it

jagged pier
#

batttle stance is not the reason your dying

strong forum
#

i used it in 29wcm and 28dht

#

and both times i regretted using it

#

wasted an entire trinket slot

restive scroll
#

It's more a safety than anything else, never required, sometimes run saver

strong forum
#

idk even when shit goes wrong

#

its not me thats in peril

#

its my group

#

im hard chilling

warm plinth
#

I use you in 29wcm and 28dht

#

Gottem

restive scroll
#

I'm not that confortable myself, but I understand =)

#

you pugging Nomeratur?

strong forum
#

half pugging

#

pugging maybe 1 dps or 2

warm plinth
strong forum
#

but i know enough people to not need to pug

restive scroll
#

So you always have a trustworthy healer?

strong forum
#

healer never touches me

#

unless i call it

#

but yes

warm plinth
restive scroll
restive scroll
#

But then again, you're a orange person :O

jagged pier
#

hes probably the second best in the world tbh

warm plinth
#

He lives but he can't do invis ships

#

Skips

restive scroll
#

x')

warm plinth
#

Too soon?

strong forum
#

its true

#

i waited too long for the patrol to path

#

and it cost me the key

#

pain

warm plinth
#

I run with an Aug who has the fattest ass I've ever seen so

#

Anyway I'm just happy I can feint chronofade now

karmic plinth
strong forum
warm plinth
#

We're just not good with magic things you know

strong forum
#

like thats ehrps on 29 tyr treeboss

warm plinth
#

The only reason we can spell reflect is because some random warrior panicked and threw up his shield when a chaos bolt was coming toward him and it bounced off.

warm plinth
strong forum
#

wcm*

warm plinth
#

Oh

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Then just burning brush basically

strong forum
#

thats oakheart 28 tyr

warm plinth
#

I did an 18 wcm earlier on my rogue and had a blood dk resetting every 15 stacks (and it's fort in NA 🙂 )

#

That's honestly not bad either

#

110k is very manageable

restive scroll
strong forum
#

it only procced cuz i stood in poop like a clown for too long cuz i got stuck

warm plinth
#

Hogo in his stalking arc smh

restive scroll
#

I'm curious now, we have pretty similar logs actually ^^"

restive scroll
#

If you wiped there, that'd have been pretty bad

strong forum
#

sure but its for a dumb stupid reason

#

doesnt make me any happier

restive scroll
#

It's always a safety net, it's always in case you fail

strong forum
#

its not even a fail, its just being stupid

restive scroll
#

Any fail is stupid for me

#

^^

opaque quest
blazing condor
#

did a 26 fall and almost bricked it cus i missed 2 leeches in 2nd area

#

had to go back after iridikron and kill one of those blight dragons

#

♿ watch out, me tanking comin thru

tribal wharf
warm plinth
#

Who's yogi

#

There is no yogi, only deathray

strong forum
warm plinth
#

Palworld shit if I had to guess

tribal wharf
#

only recently did i fully realized i was advocating for us to get ram man abilities. (shield charge)

#

I too enjoy eliminating hover robots.

dusky canopy
#

Imagine having Lego am I right

strong forum
#

yeah im on week 8 now of having leggo

tribal wharf
#

if i maine dk, yes

uneven mason
tribal wharf
#

NEW JERSEY

#

is where i, lord karnage hails from

#

not irl,

toxic pewter
#

Lol

tribal wharf
#

thats the name of my youtube channel

uneven mason
#

Hoboken DK

#

New Netflix series starring Danny DeVito

opaque quest
#

For my mangum dong strike

toxic pewter
#

back away from me if u r

uneven mason
#

NGL I just imagined a show with DD as an undead anti hero fighting off an invasion of space demons

#

Hollywood hire me

lusty tiger
#

I’m actually ffikzim

uneven mason
tribal wharf
#

oh wait

blazing condor
#

aint no way you know asmon and not mizkif

tribal wharf
#

mizkif is the waiting room stream for asmongold

#

at best

#

its like you turn on tv to watch simpsons and looney tunes is on for now

#

so that will do for now

#

doesnt really work now that cable tv isnt a thing

uneven mason
#

I'd rather wash the restrooms on the redline el train than listen to asmongolds hot takes

tribal wharf
#

too much political/world view insertionis main reason im not watching asmon as much

blazing condor
#

but what about this

#

u cant give up being #1 fan

tribal wharf
#

hes literally me

#

thats why i play every game he plays

#

also rust is 50$ my currency wtf lmao

uneven mason
#

95$ for a title, get fucked

tribal wharf
#

yeah, i pretty much always wait for sale on games, that and indie games, the real indie games not like amogus or some fuckin shit. lots of them avialable for 5 bucks or less

uneven mason
#

Survivor type games are a blessing, 5$ and tons of replayability

#

Sadly a number of them end up being abandoned after the initial early access

#

Like right now death must die has the best parts of a survivors game and diablo 2

#

But there hasn't been any updates in months

urban portal
#

then i realized its like vamp survivor stuff

tribal wharf
#

im trying to 100% cursed loot,

#

but hard mode has the reaper, and is generally impossible to survive

uneven mason
urban portal
#

the best survivor game is holocure

uneven mason
#

I now know why I had never heard of that one

#

"anime theme" is blocked in my steam searches

urban portal
#

i see

#

but its the highest quality one out there

uneven mason
#

It's free, I can't resist free

#

Like the cheese samples at Sam's club even though I'm lactose intolerant

opaque quest
#

Ika has a huge nose cause air is free

uneven mason
urban portal
#

its extremely high quality game

#

then its no MTX

#

you dont need to be a weeb to like it

uneven trench
#

Rust is a fuckin cesspool tho I can agree w that

uneven mason
uneven trench
#

Eh I'm over Minecraft. I played it for over a decade. Now the music just kinda makes me reminiscent and sad.

uneven mason
#

I think everything makes you sad.

opaque quest
#

Not a good argument for a game

uneven trench
urban portal
#

minecraft dayz is just better than actual dayz

uneven mason
tribal wharf
#

i hate minecraft

#

im sorry, never will like it ever

blazing condor
#

dayz is just walking simulator

#

i got it when it was in alpha in like 2014 or something

#

was kinda fun

#

then i tried again 10 years later and it was in beta lol

uneven trench
#

DayZ is goated and I'll die on this hill. The chaos is immaculate. One second you're fishing and chilling in the woods w the boys, the next second half of you are dead and you're panic spraying an AK at the sounds of gunfire.

dusky canopy
#

Ehhh

#

Running simulator

uneven trench
#

I find the running simulator stance invalid because 9 times outta 10 the person saying it played a low pop vanilla server and didn't know where to go to find PvP.

tribal wharf
#

what about crafting rings, is this a good idea?

#

or neck

#

those dont have str

uneven trench
dusky canopy
#

The airstrip is usually the hot spot right?

#

So you run there, die

#

And run their again

#

Meh

#

Or the military base

uneven trench
dusky canopy
#

Same difference

tribal wharf
#

i got those weapons atm, both i find very good for the time being

dusky canopy
#

I mean hey if people like it good for them bro! Just isn’t for me whatsoever

#

I prefer frequent combat if I play an fps

uneven trench
#

It isn't an fps

#

It's a survival game. All these YouTube highlight videos give people this weird impression that it's all about the gunfights when it really isn't. It's the one game where I unironically believe that it's all about the journey.

tribal wharf
#

once account wide shit comes to fruitition, ill probably leave protection warrior discord for most part

#

i just cant leave rn with all i've invested

#

used to be rogue but my dps is low lol

dusky canopy
#

Yogi what are you trying to say?

tribal wharf
#

that some day, i'll leave you all

#

to join like, demon hunters or somethin

#

but i am currently unwilling to

urban portal
#

what isnt account wide outside of gear

#

you can gear a new char in like a week

tribal wharf
#

reputation, items farmed, currency, tons of stuf

uneven trench
#

Fr. I can have a character ready for normal raid within 3 hours of pinging 70.

tribal wharf
#

yeah its called the wow token

uneven trench
#

No it's called Super bloom, Dream surge, and time rifts.

dusky canopy
#

441 gear for flightstones right

urban portal
#

who cares about rep lol

#

not like you still go visit the MOP vendor that you got exalted with

tribal wharf
#

me, i have a fuck load of reputation

urban portal
#

currency is all cyclical

uneven trench
#

You do know if you have high rep your rep gains are boosted on alts, right?

urban portal
#

god damn valdrakken accord

#

like that really matters

uneven trench
#

Rep does matter on new factions

#

Makes initial gearing easier for alts

tribal wharf
#

ill go collect 800 seeds once

#

but never ever again

urban portal
#

then you just make a new character and farm the faction rep on that one

#

just make a new char come new expac

uneven trench
#

Not even a hard grind either for an alt with all the rep tokens the emerald dream gives. And with boost from max rep on main you'll get 7500 rep from some of them.

#

Then you get free gloves, get half decent RNG on weekly drops, do your rift and dream surge, and boom you're geared enough to raid.

tribal wharf
#

my pally heler dying rip

#

nfc wyhy

#

etch

opaque quest
#

They are to busy growing pubes and cysts

tribal wharf
#

part of why im running this place is over now

#

i need like 10k flight stones anyways

#

is actualyl more like 900

toxic pewter
#

4 new hero talent trees out Druid, Hunter, Mage, and Priest

opaque quest
#

@lusty grotto Found it. critcake

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dusky canopy
tribal wharf
#

monk died due to ninja matron

warm plinth
#

We not gonna talk about the two spiteful melees?

urban portal
#

yeah i think the 2 spitefuls did more than the matron

#

i like how he got 0 heals for 5 seconds at 50% hp though

warm plinth
#

Ikr

#

Well, 3 seconds

urban portal
#

oh yeah

#

mb

#

for some reason i read 5.2k as 5.2 seconds

hazy bronze
#

It's ok I forgive you

lusty grotto
opaque quest
#

I got another one

#

Let me find it

#

This is just teostra from Monster Hunter isnt it

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urban portal
#

iit is

#

but its black

toxic pewter
#

How many palman r there

opaque quest
#

Last entry in the Pokemandex is 111

#

So im guessing 111

toxic pewter
#

I see

opaque quest
#

I think its enough. I rather have 100 decently different pokemistas than 151 similar ones

tribal wharf
#

big versa ring

pale spoke
#

would anyone please help me understand when battle stance vs defensive stance should be used in mythic+ content?

winged slate
#

If you're getting your shit pushed in, use a DR

#

If you're not, you can smack a bitch

tribal wharf
#

you can use either whenever you want, but you will have better dps with battle stance, defensive stance is if something is going horribly wrong or you are taking large amounts of flat damage

pale spoke
#

could you give me an example of horribly wrong? And with flat damage are we talking about CDs for instance ignore pain being hit through its dmg?

#

just want a baseline for future reference with your example if thats okay

opaque quest
#

DStance is another defensive cooldown and should be used as such

#

Just use it when you need shield wall but dont have shield wall ready

#

Otherwise use Bstance

tribal wharf
#

like if you were about to go into wipe prevention strategies on a key, because someone died, basically you never use defensive stance is what it boils down to

#

wont stop you from timing any keys if you use it alot but its not reccomend

opaque quest
#

Dont think Dstance should even be on bars until 20+

rose pier
#

Hello. For weekly vault i can replace 6/6 Hero gear with myth, or i can have rezan's in myth replacing champions / veteran trinkets). Should i pick rezan instead of gear ? or is gear more important as it gives armor / stamina / str...

pale spoke
#

oh okay, so instead of looking at it like a paladins aura more so a actual skill to be used for defensives

opaque quest
#

Yes sir

pale spoke
#

thank you @opaque quest and @tribal wharf

opaque quest
#

Def Stance gives us negative damage so we want to stay out of it as much as possibru

tribal wharf
#

the other example when to use defensive stance is if some ability hits for like a million damage and you cant avoid it in any way

#

used to be example in halls of valor on the second boss

pale spoke
#

my other question would be that ignore pain and shield block be used together?

winged slate
#

Shield block should literally always be up

opaque quest
#

Ignore pain should be used when you would cap rage otherwise. Since we have to much rage all the time just use it then

#

For these basic rotation questions you can look at the icy veins guide. Its written by our Mwahi

tribal wharf
#

i forgot how bad etch is when given the multpliers lol

#

i always thought it was the bolts they do

lusty tiger
#

Fortified etch fucks

tribal wharf
#

im creating war crimes within WCM

#

horrific acts

#

mostly not taunting

idle quartz
#

Hey fellas! I hit the big 7100 haste rating after the vault this week. My question is do we continue using haste rune? Wafting devotion? I’m going to sim in just a second, I just like to get my info from multiple sources (:

sand pebble
median tulip
#

Legendary!

pallid quiver
pallid quiver
median tulip
tribal wharf
#

yep war crimes

opaque quest
tribal wharf
#

no depletions yet though

#

just the 1 last week

#

worst key we timed

opaque quest
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UI overload

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How many Infos do you take in from every screen yogi?

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Yogi: Yes

tribal wharf
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well if i play it on a large screen tv some day

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then i can make everything tiny

opaque quest
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Are you playing on a 7inch phone display rn?

tribal wharf
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ya

hardy snow
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finally got last item on myth track gladge

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wintry nymph
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isn't this kind of a no-go?

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chilly brook
wintry nymph
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my tank has it

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:O

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i checked the wiki and it was like

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"NO"

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lmao

opaque quest
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Its the worst trinket this season

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Also what wiki are you checking cause im sure the wiki is a no go too

wintry nymph
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this wiki

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hah

opaque quest
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"Wiki"

wintry nymph
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same same

chilly brook
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Imagine being a tank in Dragonflight and using defensive items when tanks are the most self sufficient they’ve been since like legion

lusty grotto
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maybe he just hasnt been lucky

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some of us have shit luck on trinkets

chilly brook
lusty grotto
chilly brook
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And that’s a 483

lusty grotto
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sir

chilly brook
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You can farm whatever trinket you want

lusty grotto
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yes yes

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i knew i was forgetting something

tribal wharf
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I gues he rewflected it lol

lusty grotto
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a hoe is a garden instrument though

pallid quiver
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a very useful one

lusty grotto
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indeed

warm plinth
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I say shit like that in voice with my friends

opaque quest
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The friends youre gardening with?

lusty grotto
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naturally

opaque quest
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I only say the F word when playing with friends in vc

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lusty grotto
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of course

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what the fuack do you take me for

opaque quest
tribal wharf
lusty grotto
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F

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alex trebek was a real G

tribal wharf
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i can do a 486 item now

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there we are

uneven mason
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No socket

lusty grotto
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no crit

uneven mason
lusty grotto
tribal wharf
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versa mean live longer

opaque quest
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no

lusty grotto
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no

tribal wharf
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me like vers

opaque quest
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Crit absorbs melee dmg through parry meaning IP absorbs more

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See you lking vers is fine but saying vers makes you live longer is wrong

lusty grotto
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but it is what it is

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yeah that much is true

uneven mason
tribal wharf
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but its my item anyway and i can make it crit later

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give it socket later, dont give a shit lol

lusty grotto
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thats fine

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but misinformation isnt fine

uneven mason
tribal wharf
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i like versa

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and if you guys bitch, i change it to msatery