I've no idea but reading tooltip it says it does nature damage
#protection
grim pilot
warm plinth
No, the only thing spell block works on in that fight is the initial hit of the breath
strong forum
Ye
uneven mason
losing rolls to holy paladins on rageheart on my warrior.
Meanwhile on my BDK
weary forge
whys prot doing bad compared to other tanks rn
uneven mason
VDH has too much utility
Prot isn't popular unless it's insanely OP
tank wise we're crazy solid
it's the fact we don't have 100% uptime on AE silence
(Like VDH)
or a 3-5s CD on a targeted interrupt (Like Pal)
or insane group healing (Like bear)
weary forge
and its underplayed so it looks worse?
strong forum
Correct
uneven mason
Yup
weary forge
its less played than brew which is surprising
strong forum
If vdh didn't exits, pwar would be 2nd best tank
In m+
Even tho bear is still just as good as in s2
uneven mason
its less played than brew which is surprising
Not really, Brew is usually the most played monk spec
strong forum
If not stronger
weary forge
where does prot war rank in self sustain? obv blood is at the top
but where does prot rank in at
uneven mason
we mitigate
strong forum
We don't need healing unless it's for very specific scenarios
uneven mason
where does prot war rank in self sustain? obv blood is at the top
We have enough self sustain to heal most of hte damage we take
we just take very little damage
uneven mason
not
strong forum
We aren't unless it's on specific bosses
uneven mason
I've solo'd the last 30% On bosses at 20s
(We might be able to do that at higher keys, but I'm a KSH andy)
opal forum
i would say DK>DH>druid>war=pal>monk
in terms of surviving without heal
i might be wrong
uneven mason
None of the tanks need a healer
opal forum
i mean
uneven mason
outside of shit that's intended to kill you
opal forum
yes they do
opal forum
you dont need a healer actively on you
but if the healer ignores you for an entire key
youre not gonna survive
tribal wharf
uneven mason
strong forum
Idk why you're making up scenarios that don't exist
tribal wharf
balanced as all things should be
opal forum
youre the one making them
uneven mason
Idk why you're making up scenarios that don't exist
I mean, I had a resto shaman in a 18 EB the other night
that basically ignored healing to do damage
strong forum
Well so do i
strong forum
Yeah
strong forum
Correct
opal forum
we rly dont need it as much as before, or like the dps does
we still need some bit of healing
uneven mason
The DPS needs healers, tanks are self sufficient with proper play
outside of very few situations
strong forum
You get passive incidental heals or a random hot
tribal wharf
or if you are getting nuked by some tank killer spell
uneven mason
and otherwise they just going ham
uneven mason
or if you are getting nuked by some tank killer spell
tribal wharf
but those dont happen alot, and you avoid them or deal with them
i like any healer that heals
i dislike healers that cant heal
uneven mason
I dislike healers that don't do DPS
opal forum
i mean its not like 18 is a real challenge anyway
uneven mason
You're not wrong
opal forum
but i would like to see a tank going through a 26+ with a healer ignoring him
uneven mason
But 20s is what things are balanced around.
tribal wharf
ya your not wrong but it doesnt invalidated what im saying
tribal wharf
your team still requires some healing in a +4
uneven mason
even higher keys
opal forum
yeah
tribal wharf
not a huge amount
opal forum
from low to 20 i agree tank dont need heal
only dps does
yeah we're basically saying the same thing
tribal wharf
healing probably fucking sucks
uneven mason
Even some of the top warrior keys, ~80% of the healing Plka gets in a 29 from the healer is just passive smart healing
next axle
Does anyone know if this WA https://wago.io/tDT26wrXg actually verbally cues to reflect? If not, do we know of one that does
uneven mason
It's not like the healer is hard focusing them
tribal wharf
so, ya, i feel bad for my healer anytime i see them die
opal forum
Does anyone know if this WA https://wago.io/tDT26wrXg actually verbally cues to ...
its made so it does a sound but no sound is actualy chosen (at least it was like that when i imported it) you can change it there
while this is a great WA, it dosent work perfectly tho
opal forum
It's not like the healer is hard focusing them
yes i agree, i was answering to an initial comment asking wich is the best tank once ur healer is dead, thats it
edgy bone
Ya'll have any tips for leaping away from tree boss breath in darkheart thicket
edgy bone
yeah but it happens fast, and I got melee'd once
maybe tips on how to spin your camera fast or like
do you start running beforehand
is one single leap enough with no running before or after?
shut summit
yes
idle quartz
yeah but it happens fast, and I got melee'd once
You can turn your camera without turning your character. Or are you getting melee’d after your leap, as you’re traveling to the landing spot?
opal forum
are you using dbm or lilwigs? it help to know in advance when the breath is coming, so when its there, youre not taken by surprise
edgy bone
You can turn your camera without turning your character. Or are you getting mele...
Once I did
Does that mean I leeap too early, before he starts the cast?
edgy bone
https://i.imgur.com/cNcxvfi.png
You time this as Arms??
strong forum
nah as prot
opal forum
gg thats impressive
strong forum
i only procced cheat death cuz i got stuck on pig boss in poop
outside of that i didnt drop below 90% outside of 1 or 2 occasions
strong forum
i got 29
grim pilot
pallid quiver
I still haven't done a Waycrest on 20 Tyran or above yet
warm plinth
tried my first 24 this season. went pretty well until last boss 
warm plinth
Crit
pallid quiver
I have also never gotten past witches on 20 Tyran or above
strong forum
i tanked mostly in b-stance
i think
oh yeah
i tanked shitloads of fire adds
they hurt way more
than boss
okay i only went to 40 stacks at the end
edgy bone
i tanked mostly in b-stance
Do you have a cooldown rotation you use for Tree boss on darkheart?
I want to be able to survive every grip on my own with no help
strong forum
not for tree boss in wcm
for darkheart
you can have demo shout, IV and SR for every grip
you use SW for the first
edgy bone
you can have demo shout, IV and SR for every grip
IV or IP?
strong forum
both
edgy bone
Idk what IV is
impend victory?
Bro I'm out of range when I"m in grip
I can't use it mid grip
strong forum
you can.
you can fully attack the boss mid grip
only first global you cant use stuff
after that you can
only while hes picking you up, but while youre in the air you can do your rotation normally
shut summit
strong forum
:3
shut summit
absolutely can
grim pilot
https://i.imgur.com/ZrNwzYA.png
strong forum
literal auto pilot key
edgy bone
only while hes picking you up, but while youre in the air you can do your rotati...
I'm spamming IV in midair and it's red-out
like I'm out of range
strong forum
idk what youre targeting but it aint the boss
edgy bone
maybe it's removing my target when I get gripped
strong forum
no
edgy bone
ElvUI?
shut summit
its some weird shit where it counts as a vehicle
shut summit
so if things disappear / change when in vehicle it gets fucked
edgy bone
There's gotta be a way to disable vehicle UI on default
uneven mason
WTB a /report leaver
edgy bone
it can get fucky ye
Can't even use shield slam up there, and I have boss targeted 100%
I'm in here fighting it alone on a +25
Over and over
edgy bone
It's pretending I'm in a vehicle and pushing the vehicle buttons?
strong forum
like i dont have that issue whatsoever
edgy bone
Blizzard please
warm plinth
Idk I have my bar set to change in a vehicle and mine work fine so idk
edgy bone
Idk I have my bar set to change in a vehicle and mine work fine so idk
Default ui?
warm plinth
No, elvui
edgy bone
Ok that time it worked fine
It's super buggy bro
1/10 times I can use my rotation fine
edgy bone
maybe you just need to
Ok
That time
I'm spamming shield slam and it says "Target needs to be in front of you"
strong forum
hm
idk
i never had issues pressing buttons and neither do DKS
cuz they need to deathstrike up there
edgy bone
I'll try to mess with my camera some more, hopefully I'll get some info that helps anyone else having this issue
Does Spell Block help in there? Not reflect but b lock
warm plinth
No
edgy bone
Ok
shut summit
does nothing to stomp
edgy bone
Uh oh
shut summit
just initial hit of breath that you should be avoiding anyways
edgy bone
who is right here
strong forum
ah
alright
ive only tanked that boss once on 26 fort
but was chill aside from me fucking up once
shut summit
did 29tyran last nite and still pretty chill
you can spell block the landing damage off the throw
edgy bone
did 29tyran last nite and still pretty chill
What's your exact DR rotation for grips?
shut summit
which is mostly the scariest part of the spell
strong forum
SW every other
edgy bone
Shield Block on top of it? Then rage heart? Then shield block again
edgy bone
shield wall*
shut summit
idk i dont have a rotation, just press buttons
edgy bone
bro does he melee you in there?
shut summit
SW every other, make sure demo shout is up
strong forum
the flowers do
but you can still Tclap flowers from up there
so its fine
barrier below the boss also works
to hit you up there
warm plinth
idk i dont have a rotation, just press buttons
Wheres that meme with the I just press buttons bell curve lmao
uneven mason
edgy bone
the flowers do
Do you hold right click the entire time you play? Especially at the moment you get picked up
strong forum
i always hold it in combat ye
lusty grotto
ticon are you aware AA start immediately after you press a skill right?
so you dont need to right click
edgy bone
ticon are you aware AA start immediately after you press a skill right?
what is AA?
lusty grotto
i see
edgy bone
IF you're holding right click when you get picked up
It will bug out and you can't do your rotation because "target is not in front of you"
Then even if you spin your camera all around you can't
lusty grotto
oh, i havent had that happen
edgy bone
i always hold it in combat ye
Do you think it's smarter to use last stand IN the grip? Or use it before hand and build up a huge IP shield with the extra 30% max HP
lusty grotto
i use it during
because that ip will get eaten anyway
and you keep IPing in the grip anyway
rather have LS for the first impending anyway
edgy bone
rather have LS for the first impending anyway
What do you mean
omg
the synergy
30% of my max HP
i see
Yeah but doesn't using it beforehand make more sense?
You can build up the big IP shield
and going from 100 to 130% HP at max is still like healing for that much
ANdi t's up for 15sec so your first IV will still heal more
strong forum
ideally you send LS whilst youre up there
edgy bone
ideally you send LS whilst youre up there
how come?
strong forum
to get that 30% heal -> buffed IV ->
edgy bone
Going into the grip at 130% HP is the same as healing
And you will still have buffed IV
edgy bone
Yes but if you use it during grip, you don't have a chacne to build up a much bigger IP shield beforehand
Everything is the same using it during or before, except you won't get an IP shield if you use it during
strong forum
instead of 400k IP you have 500k IP
edgy bone
and you can use it reactively beacuse it's off GCD?
strong forum
yes
edgy bone
I feel you
strong forum
all im saying is
you eat 1 tick of grip
then send LS-> ip -> IV -> maybe outburst shieldslam -> IP -> IP
edgy bone
If you KNOW you're going to use it that grip, then it's better before. If you MAY use it but not sure, keep it and use it reactively during
strong forum
🤷♂️
could be idk
its not that deep, especially if you can just call for PS aswell
so you just rotate SW -> PS -> SW -> PS -> SW -> PS
and are literally immortal
strong forum
i solod it on +20 on 10.2 PTR with 460ilvl and 1 tank trinket
edgy bone
Jesus bro
strong forum
hardest part was the bats and first boss
1shot everything else
i died like 38 times to the bats
before i could kill them
with lucky reflect lineups
edgy bone
For real though
edgy bone
Probably helped learn it inside out
strong forum
exactly
i spend 2hrs soloing a dungeon
and i know absolutely every single mechanic
no need to spam 30 keys and then learn stuff half way
edgy bone
you dont learn what abilites to care about in a 25?
I let all that get to my head
edgy bone
It's my fav dungeon
Is those claws on lady waycrest the only good spell reflect?
strong forum
1st boss all casts are reflectable
All infected thorn casts are reflectable
All ruinous bolt casts
All maggot spits
Etch
The decaying touch from matron alma is reflectable
dusky canopy
etch reflect is pog as dps
strong forum
Soul bolt is reflectable
strong forum
So like yeah, there's loads of high value reflects in that dungeon
median tulip
Etch doesn't target tanks, though
lusty grotto
thats why he said dps
strong forum
Throne easier
strong forum
Just rotate 2 sets of SR on 3rd boss
grim pilot
dht only 25
grim pilot
no way
strong forum
Nah 1 tank is enough
Bosses will absolutely melt
And so will trash
Bursting will be scarier
Actually no
2nd Wind
edgy bone
Nah 1 tank is enough
@shut summit I think if touch right click at all while in grip, it'll bug out and make you "out of range" or "target not in front of you"
I've also googled this issue and nothing helpful comes up
Tried 5 different ways of googling it
How much of a difference does a 483 vs 489 shield make?
strong forum
~6% ish
edgy bone
~6% ish
Can Evoker still rescue the tank during crushing grip and cancel it out completely?
or maybe they rescue after the THROW, like before you hit the ground
lusty grotto
why would they do that
the throw does nothing
they can probably rescue during the grip
lusty grotto
its common sense
its just 80% of augs are fucking idiots
they never use rescue walls
and/or barely use zephyr
the good news is that if it doesnt work, you can just call it out just before the grip
grand veldt
I'm spamming IV in midair and it's red-out
I have literally this exact issue
it's actually news to me that you can use impending victory in crush, because i didnt understand why dks could use death strike and i couldn't
idk if it's factoring in the direction we're facing and if i just need to re orient in air or something but i can't get much to land on that phase either
ionic fern
its just 80% of augs are fucking idiots
Our Evoker rescues the bm on Oakheart so he doesnt get oneshot by stomp
edgy bone
I have literally this exact issue
Dude, if you hold right click or touch it at all during grip ur screwed. Try letting go of rt click completely before, during, and after grip
west walrus
My first warcraft game 
tribal wharf
theres a wowhead thingy about it already
but like, ya, for the sole purpose that i can now simply log into battle net and download the game legitimately without having to use a 3rd party or shady website or buy it behind the dumpster of dennies at 4am, means alot to me
cuz if they don't sell it i cant buy it so fuck you and yo ho ho and a bottle of gin, a pirates life for me
hazy bronze
I think rum is the traditional pirate beverage
hazy bronze
I believe that's saying pirates drank rum, the poor drank gin
hazy bronze
You're always right though
median tulip
Pirates mostly drank rum because it's distilled from Sugar Cane and they lived in the Caribbean; Gin's alcohiol content is made from grain, usually
hazy bronze
Is the floral taste added after?
tribal wharf
i could really use myth shoulder today
median tulip
Is the floral taste added after?
In Gin the botanicals are added during the distillation stage
jagged pier
reset when?
hazy bronze
In Gin the botanicals are added during the distillation stage
Ty Fren ❤️
cyan moon
Hey i'm new to tanking, anyone have a nice plater profile ? (can't see when i have aggro atm xd)
fresh wind
prot if u want the cheat death trinket
median tulip
You don't have a 489 shield, so protection
fresh wind
ahh couldn't see his raid slots so didn't know if he rolled any
lusty grotto
Hey i'm new to tanking, anyone have a nice plater profile ? (can't see when i ha...
quazii has great starter ones, and do not require twitch subs, so basically free
cyan moon
thanks :)
lusty grotto
prot if u want the cheat death trinket
nobody should aim for it on vault, it does the same thing as a hero one
its a waste of a pick
lusty grotto
thanks :)
i think quazii.com has them
fresh wind
yeah i mean thats fair but I just hate grinding a dungeon for 1 item so thats what I do\
lusty grotto
i see
violet ginkgo
what should we aim nim? aside from my desperation on augury
lusty grotto
signet/augury + gholak chances as fury, or rageheart + gholak chances as prot
thats about it
cyan moon
i think quazii.com has them
got them thanks again
lusty grotto
a bit easier to read:
- fury = signet / myth rezan / augury / gholak
- prot = rageheart / myth shield / gholak
violet ginkgo
Signet ✅
Gholak ✅
Augury 
Rageheart ❌
I'll worry about rageheart after augury then.
lusty grotto
either way is fine
im just focusing on rageheart because its the only prot specific item im missing
violet ginkgo
btw if we have both just rageheart augury combo is nice?
lusty grotto
sure
tribal wharf
what i was thinking about opening as dps for is counterweight
lusty grotto
counterweight is dogshit
violet ginkgo
no no no counterweight bad
tribal wharf
hmmm, curious how but whateveer
violet ginkgo
rezan >>> counterweight anyday
lusty grotto
because who would trust a prot warrior specific discord with multiple theorycrafters, guides and the one APL the sims run over a bunch of ignorant players in trade, amirite
tribal wharf
why would i ever listen to the ppl i talk to every day
toxic gyro
I wouldn’t trust Norm, he’s a arms warrior. Also said earlier that prot is boring.
lusty grotto
so youre saying you wouldnt listen to a doctor, that studied medicine, if you talked with them every day
jagged pier
i mean i say prot is boring all the time because its true
lusty grotto
or a lawyer, that studied law, if you talked with them every day
great logic yogi
pallid quiver
Particularly right now, ye; I can still find enjoyment, but I also play very rarely atm
shield slam tc shield slam tc i'm nice is not the most engaging thing
toxic gyro
I like prot, just wish we had more utility
opaque quest
You got intervene
oh wait
You got safeguard
oh wait
You got mass spell reflect
toxic gyro
Dont even
lusty grotto
yo rooach
violet ginkgo
but I mean we will be forever spamming shieldslam even in future expansion
lusty grotto
this guy goes so fast, shit doesnt load until a second later
toxic gyro
I’ll stick to my 2 points, 1.5min aoe silence
chilly brook
Just don’t tank 🙂
lusty grotto
cant wait to speed breed jetragon
opaque quest
this guy goes so fast, shit doesnt load until a second later
Im just rocking wemod with infinite stam when i wanna fly 
cba landing every 20 second
toxic gyro
Just don’t tank 🙂
My healer refuses to heal other tanks 🤨
lusty grotto
😦
chilly brook
My healer refuses to heal other tanks 🤨
Sounds like a them problem
toxic gyro
She’s a special kind of snowflake lol
pallid quiver
but I mean we will be forever spamming shieldslam even in future expansion
i mean, if y'all desperately crave and desire swapping between pressing two buttons, more power to ya
i'll just play a different game instead
lusty grotto
see
im playing 3 different games
at the same time
i dont replace one with another
toxic gyro
I pretty much always tanked for my group, dps in raid
opaque quest
@lusty grotto why do my anubis dont clean up behind them and pick up ores
chilly brook
I really enjoy current prot
lusty grotto
they prio mining
lusty grotto
they'll pick up when they have mined everything
opaque quest
There is nothing around xd
lusty grotto
hmm weird
opaque quest
They just stand there
lusty grotto
im not sure
blazing condor
bro got the rick and morty vaporwave wallpaper
jagged pier
thats final space
opaque quest
opaque quest
thats final space
blazing condor
swear i saw the same one but rick and morty like 40 mins ago
jagged pier
get your ficking mooncake right
blazing condor
ive seen a few eps of final space
opaque quest
I ordered the novel last year i cant wait
blazing condor
was p good
toxic pewter
community trashing on warriors big time on reddit right now
opaque quest
Best 150 i ever s pent
toxic pewter
everyone laughing at us
strong forum
community trashing on warriors big time on reddit right now
They always do
opaque quest
ive seen a few eps of final space
Wait until you get to the second half in season 1 and onward
jagged pier
literally always happening
strong forum
Ignore them
toxic pewter
I must... fight back
toxic pewter
Ok
lusty grotto
why must you, who cares
toxic pewter
Ok you all right
pallid quiver
If you do fight back, club them in actual person; it'll be like a public service
lusty grotto
LOL
toxic pewter
yeah cannot win on reddit thats for sure
lusty grotto
true luerce
toxic gyro
Ppl that talk shit on Reddit are 3k Andies who meta rolled and suck at the game
lusty grotto
bonk
strong forum
Reddit is festered by casuals who think they're right and the majority wins, not who is actually correct
toxic pewter
lmao irl bonk
strong forum
Especially r/compwow
jagged pier
same with the forums honestly
strong forum
You can post actual correct info there
But get down voted into oblivion
Cuz it's not the popular opinion
lusty grotto
pallid quiver
compwow is fun to go to for some kicks, tho
toxic pewter
yep, truth is not valued there
pallid quiver
Like going to a zoo
Like, going there once a year to ogle is pretty neat, going every day you start to feel uncomfortable with how much the smell of poo hangs on to your clothes
toxic pewter
thank you all, you saved me from falling back into my old ways
soon I will be able to do it on my own i hope
supple oasis
We were talking 20-30% while the warrior was getting their ass kicked. Pretty sure there wasn't any dancing over to Defensive Stance either.
pallid quiver
i mean they just need to press their buttons if it's that low
there's almost definitely no shield block or anything based on what else you said earlier
pallid quiver
ip isnt our main mit
It was a comment from like two days ago about a prot war they had
chilly brook
We were talking 20-30% while the warrior was getting their ass kicked. Pretty su...
Link logs
chilly brook
what i mind is people thinking IP is THE mit
That’s them assuming they know prot lol
pallid quiver
Link logs
I don't think they had one; it was just a comment he came in wondering about a prot war he had in his group
lusty grotto
well i guess
lusty grotto
it also shows up as healing in details/logs
id say thats the one
cause one of my healer friends mentions it so much
warm plinth
Morning
blazing condor
afternoon
lusty grotto
good morning ghash
warm plinth
I don't even show my healing meters unless I'm streaming and a viewer asks
warm plinth
Which is basically never since I never have viewers
pallid quiver
Good Jakey-living time, everyone
lusty grotto
ill be your viewer
jagged pier
im a bad omen if i watch ppl streams they start to fuck up like the freehold
lusty grotto
jakey lives in the future
warm plinth
I have 2 subs right now so I'm basically a professional streamer
lusty grotto
warm plinth
im a bad omen if i watch ppl streams they start to fuck up like the freehold
Are you referring to my freehold?
jagged pier
yes
warm plinth
That charge into yoink was the pinnacle of my wow tanking career tbh
jagged pier
whenever i tune into plka stream they wipe
chilly brook
Wish I had it at this point, but been a week or so.
Logs don’t go away if they were uploaded
jagged pier
I am a bad omen
supple oasis
ip isnt our main mit
I am aware of this. When they're keeping acceptable uptime on SB, but have a full rage bar and getting dumpstered with what seems low IP uptime. That makes ya wonder.
lusty grotto
whats acceptable to you
because acceptable to us is 95%+
anything lower is inting
warm plinth
Especially in details since it's only counting in combat
supple oasis
Logs don’t go away if they were uploaded
Did logs for guild since then and I typically don't turn em on for M+
warm plinth
I log everything. Benefits of loggerhead
chilly brook
raider.io turns them on too
Log dn
lusty grotto
warm plinth
Yeah I just like loggerhead because it prompts me every time I enter a new place/difficulty. Saves me the trouble of remembering to set it up lol
lusty grotto
MRT also
i used MRT auto logging
and then i swapped to raider.io
both are automatic
you go into a key, its on
you go into heroic/mythic, its on
supple oasis
Did some more digging and they're just a mess. Little to no shield charges being used, SB sitting at ~ 70% while active tank. I think an overusage of Spell Block but not fimilar with this seasons targets for that.
lusty grotto
and then it turns off as soon as youre out of those instances
warm plinth
Yeah that's what loggerhead does too. But you have to turn on that option in those addons. If they released idk, Blackrock Caverns as an M+, it would prompt me if I wanted to turn on auto logging for it
The first time I went in I mean
lusty grotto
Did some more digging and they're just a mess. Little to no shield charges being...
link the log
warm plinth
There's no goal for spell block because it's a situational talent
lusty grotto
you can share it as anonymous players if youre concerned with giving their names away
supple oasis
working onit
warm plinth
And you can't overuse it
jagged pier
lusty grotto
jagged pier
lusty grotto
his SB is lower than what you said
dont look at uptime
i mean i guess uptime is okay to look at
opaque quest
Perfectly unbalanced
lusty grotto
in this expansion
opaque quest
As nothing should be
lusty grotto
but thats absolutely fucking horrible SB usage
lusty grotto
opaque quest
Didnt hurt my skull stopped the sword
strong forum
Until the enemy gets bored and exhausted from hitting me
jagged pier
like 14CPM on SS when it should be near 20
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
yeah he has better block percents on later fights
jagged pier
extremely inconsistent
supple oasis
he did better on fyrakk to tbf
Yeah, I was looking towards the end bosses. Who knows what shenanigans are happening on the first couple. 🤣
opaque quest
I mean its just 1 target how can you not face it
supple oasis
Thank you
viscid ore
Hey y’all returning player here! I have been really diving into some research to help me get back into the game.
I really want to try tanking. Prot warrior seems the most appealing to me.
My question is: Is leveling 10-60 via tanking dungeons good practice?
I have noticed on other characters I’ve recently leveled to 60 that most tanks fly through the classics dungeons extremely quickly due to the level sync. Is this is a concern? Should I quest to 60 and then do follower dungeons?
jagged pier
its not useful the classes doesnt play anything like it does at max lvl when u are lvling
blazing condor
you wont get real practice in terms of how the spec plays - besides getting some muscle memory on what abilities youve placed where
but you will get some experience in terms of how to tank
or lead a group through dungeons
winged slate
Follower dungeons are pretty miserable in my experience
blazing condor
at least more than if you were to just level alone outside
uneven mason
Hey y’all returning player here! I have been really diving into some research to...
It's probably faster, but you're not going to experience
Any danger until max level
covert flower
Sorry if this has been asked before or just is a shit question but
how much mastery do we actually want roughly?
jagged pier
23% ish
covert flower
Aight I'm at 24 and I figured that was probably close to good
jagged pier
its honestly not a % u need or what to strive for
but 23% is like a 7% increase in crit block chance for like 2 items of investment
so kinda big
winged slate
Makes me wonder how much block value we would need before crit block makes us immune
jagged pier
its cant
lusty grotto
crit block has a cap
lusty grotto
ye
jagged pier
so that can make u immune
winged slate
Wack
jagged pier
very small chance tho
pallid quiver
it's super funny tho
pliant trout
it's actually bad/low value 85%
you get 300K if someone slaps you for 2KK
which is really realistic
jagged pier
well i mean thats just the block doing that
u have armour
and IP and whatever else on top of that
jagged pier
ill if u capped a crit block on rashok u could take double phyiscal slams on mythic which is kinda funny
no idea in pvp
pliant trout
ill if u capped a crit block on rashok u could take double phyiscal slams on my...
it actually would make warrs at least in something good, etc. they are literally underbuffed mechanics wise, the only really good tool is spell reflect, but it's very situational in some cases you get almost no value from it
winged slate
In pvp there's this hidden tech where you can press N and change specs
That way you're not completely fucking useless
pliant trout
pvp is an abomination for cringe people it's not compatible with pve
it should be like totally separate spell/balance wise
winged slate
It sort of is but also sort of isn't
pliant trout
i agree on thos limitations/caps for pvp but not pve thats the problem
they need to bring all under one roof
which results in such things
winged slate
I'm surprised pvp didn't get their own trees tbh
tribal wharf
vaults?
opaque quest
No time for vaults. Im busy watching pals make sweet love to each other
lusty grotto
still an hour and 15 till maintenance ends
tribal wharf
im in the game
lusty grotto
oh nvm that's live maintenance
tribal wharf
able to do vault
lusty grotto
i thought it was part of the scheduled one
opaque quest
gl bois
pallid quiver
Yeah, server down maint for NA ended early, even
strong forum
idk where it makes sense pvp?
It's capped to prevent tanks from becoming immune to dmg over the course of an expansion
That's why armor and block is capped to 85%
pallid quiver
they should remove it for Season 4, tho, make it so tanks can become immune
pliant trout
wouldn't make much of a difference
tribal wharf
pallid quiver
it'd be funny
tribal wharf
im very strongly tempted to go for that but this is is a very good vault
strong forum
Sometimes 99% due to other factors/cds
opaque quest
im very strongly tempted to go for that but this is is a very good vault
Just take tier. Wep isnt gholak and trinket is doodoo
tribal wharf
i really like butcher block too
strong forum
Clearly
opaque quest
Tanks need stamina
pallid quiver
yeah but if you had 278% vers you wouldn't even be worried about the 30k damage tho
winged slate
That's true actually, I did the math and that much versatility is probably better than 5k crit
strong forum
True and real
pliant trout
Crit bad btw
yes binary mechanic fucks rofl dr mitigations
waxen cradle
What ya think guys only worth while choices are ring, neck or hands ( which I can make M track ) What ya recommend ? I have better boots, better belt and Mythic shoulders
Ring has a socket though
strong forum
Gloves
opaque quest
@lusty grotto IT WORKS
strong forum
And just craft rings
opaque quest
IT FINALLY WORKS
lusty grotto
😄
opaque quest
Didnt change anything. Goofy ah game
waxen cradle
ah ok
lusty grotto
its also being talked about everywhere
opaque quest
Probably twice that because lots of people will play on gamepass
lusty grotto
gaming-related at least
opaque quest
Aye. All my news feeds are full of it
lusty grotto
😄
waxen cradle
yeah but dont play it, was not interested
lusty grotto
i do agree the drama is stupid
but its still word of mouth
ez clap with full traits
i have 5 of them
gotta breed more 🙂
violet ginkgo
Another auguryless vault Nim
strong forum
I'm hoping for a +6 on belt or +3 on cloak
violet ginkgo
What ya think guys only worth while choices are ring, neck or hands ( which I ca...
I think for this one you should look at the myth track, I think for the raid track you only need trinket, if that is not appear then welp mythic is your best friend
strong forum
Besides that I can't get any upgrades, besides tertiaries
lusty grotto
sir fyrakk-less people are speaking
strong forum
Can't hear you over all of my heroic raid trinkets sorry
lusty grotto
well except 2 legendaries in the same week
strong forum
😎
lusty grotto
chipadins leggo was 100k cause i had so many mats
so cheaper
did it yesterday, got it on friday
violet ginkgo
Can't hear you over all of my heroic raid trinkets sorry
god damn it nome you so lucky
jagged pier
just get them all its easy
opaque quest
gotta breed more 🙂
Im not a furry but"
lusty grotto
its lucario from wish.com
but also the best crafter in the game
oh you meant the breed part lmaoooo
opaque quest
Im still in the early to mid game. I just thought i'd set up my ore base now
Cause im omega bottle necked
opaque quest
Do i need Wheat for anything but jelly filled?
Cause ill be making salad for work speed
lusty grotto
cakes for breeding
lusty grotto
i have 2 bases, i feel like more bases are kind of a chore
every time i log off i have to box all the pals cause fuck the depression/weakness shit
opaque quest
Im playing on normal. Dont think i have that problem
lusty grotto
you will 🙂
opaque quest
pls no
lusty grotto
im on hard, but it def shows up on normal
opaque quest
Didnt notice yet. Everytime i logg back in my pals just pop into existence
lusty grotto
oh if youre in SP
it doesnt happen
its mostly for dedicated server and/or MP play
opaque quest
Ah makes sense
Im still trying to get my buddy to play but hes still stuck in BG3 and Minecraft
soon 
fallen lichen
Is there pattern or way on 3rd boss TOTT to know when he casts flame shock (and to spell reflect it?)
It doesnt show in weakauras boss casts/timeline
fallen lichen
Oh i usually tank/dps 50/50, never noticed it’s casted on dps only. Thanks!
uneven mason
pretty sure unless you use a stam trinket 489 will put you just shy of 1.5m
(Don't use stam trinket)
yeah, Plka is at 1.45 with more or less BIS gear
but for that Stonescale
But that won't impact HP anyway
violet flume
im 1460k hp at 486.6 ilevel
maybe 489 gets you 1500k?
can always cheat and grab that 5% hp talent nobody uses heh
maiden nimbus
As a prot warrior, should I change anything about my tanking during Spiteful? Running 17-20s...Currently do not run fear...should I?...Also, when I tank, I try and pull the mobs back the way we came, this way when we move to the next pack the mobs have further to run.
No idea if what I'm doing is correct. Can anyone share best way to handle Spiteful?...Not causing issues, but want to manage them better for the dps/heals
blazing condor
not much to really do besides kiting mobs towards where you wanna go
you can use stuns if you have to spare
but those are often better used on the mobs youre actually fighting
i suppose you could hamstring them but even that is kinda waste
when i play spiteful i usually just end up throwing a storm bolt every now and then if a spiteful is about to kill a healer whilst we're still fighting
opaque quest
They are slowed by TC anyways
warm plinth
Hamstring isn't a waste -_-
opaque quest
people just need to use wasd
high mesa
All 3 myth tracks are upgrades for me. I'm 476 ilvl with a 441 weapon from last season, everything else is hero track.
warm plinth
Hamstring is a much bigger slow than TC
opaque quest
ofc it is but even a tiny slow is enough to not get shit on by spites
warm plinth
Like to put that in a frame of reference, battlefield was slowed by 20% initially
And you still had to use a movement speed buff to avoid bladestorm
But anyway, I don't see it as wasteful to throw out a hamstring if it looks like someone is struggling with one.
maiden nimbus
cool thanks guys, I'll try and throw out some HS if it make sense...Yeah i do throw out SB and occasionally a shockwave if it's not going to impact upcoming stops
opaque quest
Ember isnt about the effect its about 700 vers
high mesa
that speed tho 👀
tribal wharf
see, thats how i feel about counterweight
- automatic proc
so its another thing i dont need to track
lusty grotto
All 3 myth tracks are upgrades for me. I'm 476 ilvl with a 441 weapon from last ...
weapon
weapon > chest > socket
high mesa
yeah my weapon luck has been all time bad this season
lusty grotto
in your case
blazing condor
Hamstring isn't a waste -_-
i mean yeah use it if you need to. meant more as in a "how can i handle it for my group" - aka its a bit wasteful if you try and put hamstring on every mob
tribal wharf
i had that weapon in my vault as well but i have the shoulders now, so i can like i dunno, craft a helmet or something
ya, i need like, 8 myth slot upgrades to be highest ilvl
tribal wharf
sure i'll get right on it
pallid quiver
just apply a little bit of cheat engine and solo it
tribal wharf
pallid quiver
i love this edit so much
tribal wharf
i do love avgn, but i do also know of the bimmy, 540 fiveuvum, micro mike memes now too
poor guys get memed to death
uneven mason
Made this for RLE, figured I'd share here
lusty grotto
tribal wharf
who ever i insulted about doing multiple super blooms i apologize,
i am on second one of today now
lusty grotto
why would you insult someone
over that
you need to do a couple of them for the legendary quest
and by a couple i mean quite a bit if you dont get friend buffed
lusty grotto
true and real
uneven mason
Just don’t and then don’t die
Oh it's not me, it's a bdk who's progging in mythic raid using their DPS m+ spec and getting basically one shot, they suggested cheat death and someone called it "like a dog wearing the cone of shame"
lusty grotto
lol
but bdks already have a cheat
purgatory
jesus thats like
going last resort with stonescales as VDH
uneven mason
but bdks already have a cheat
This guy is 487 and getting fucked, it's a gameplay issue.
lusty grotto
ofc
uneven mason
And yeah purgatory goes off like almost immediately
lusty grotto
uneven mason
CDs not used for a full minute into the fight
Drw and vamp should have like 45s-1m CD?
lusty grotto
no idea
uneven trench
Guys I figured out the best way to play Prot Woyer: I rerolled my paladin to prot.
uneven mason
uneven trench
Fr though prot warrior is so bad in comparison it makes me sad bc I main warrior. AoE interrupts, off heals, I can handle affixes...
chilly brook
Oh it's not me, it's a bdk who's progging in mythic raid using their DPS m+ spec...
Oof yeah homie needs to rethink his decisions
chilly brook
Fr though prot warrior is so bad in comparison it makes me sad bc I main warrior...
Then don’t play warrior
Simple as
Go play whatever you feel like playing instead
uneven trench
I'm the only warrior on my raid team so I can't swap
chilly brook
I'm the only warrior on my raid team so I can't swap
Go find a new raid team ez
uneven mason
I'm the only warrior on my raid team so I can't swap
Solo warrior team high five
uneven trench
no I like my guild
jagged pier
i mean usually i would say AP buff is like the weakest buff so u can go without it
but
chilly brook
Fury and arms owns
jagged pier
melee heavy this season
uneven trench
I am a DPS warrior in raid I tank in M+
jagged pier
so its not the weakest
uneven mason
Except I celebrate my status as a walking battle shout
chilly brook
I am a DPS warrior in raid I tank in M+
Lmao so it’s not a problem
Play a different tank in m+