protection

[pallid quiver]

so since you're the target

You're baseline gonna take the point blank damage

Use a cd, bucko, should probably still have one rocking from the tank soak, even, since spell block works on that and will carry over to aftermath

[chilly brook]

Hey I don’t think anyone said this but you should run away

[tired crystal]

I am running away

across the map

[pallid quiver]

Running away won't actually decrease your own damage, but it'll stop your raid from dying

[tired crystal]

dw

I was confused on its wording

I thought it split your damage across the raid, so the further away i was, the more dmg I took

thats all

Im always running away from raid

[blazing condor]

all good

but yeah it dont split

[tired crystal]

Fuark, it hits HARD

[blazing condor]

remember you got the healing debuff on you after soak as well

i usually save impending victory for it to help healers

[tired crystal]

Yeah, its never cleared before I have to jump out

I do, doesn't get rid of all of it however

[pallid quiver]

it's spell blockable, so just get lucky and crit block it so hard it does 0 damage 4hed

[blazing condor]

you can last stand / impending victory if you got LS to spare

also that

[tired crystal]

Worth taking endurance?

[pallid quiver]

There's zero need to change any talents for this fight

[idle quartz]

The soak is or the bomb?

[pallid quiver]

Both

So you can spell block the soak and still have it up for the bomb

And you can pop SR during, too, and save Shield Wall/LS for "ha ha rng decided i suffer today"

Since the only potential iirc for spell block not being available for every instance is if you both are second soak followed by first soak iirc

but I think spell block is still up by then..? Maybe, dunno off the top of my head anymore

[tribal wharf]

i know someone here would want to see that

[blazing condor]

[idle quartz]

Might be able to keep it up if you pop it early in order to expedite the cooldown.

[blazing condor]

you can probably pop it during other tanks tornado and have it be 100% fine all the way to intermission

[pallid quiver]

May not even need to; I haven't been second soak -> first soak in

A long while

And I don't know if timings are longer on mythic

[blazing condor]

everytime i'd do smolderon it was always
I get tornado --> co-tank doesnt taunt off

[pallid quiver]

I know they wouldn't be shorter from what I recall

[blazing condor]

so it doesnt matter

[pallid quiver]

Pug strats are tanks just sit on thumbs, no react

[idle quartz]

My co-tank yesterday was running the bomb directly THROUGH our guild every single time QQ

[pallid quiver]

I drop it directly on any range in Africa intentionally

[tired crystal]

Seem to be doing MUCh better now

so all good, spoke to healers about the heal absorb

Not dying anymore

[blazing condor]

[tired crystal]

Althought everyone else is to the fking tornados -.-

[jagged pier]

the only problem is if u get second then first

cause u wont have spell block back up

but u just wall the second one

[tired crystal]

Co-tank always takes first

I take second

vice versa

[jagged pier]

no like between phases

if u get the last one

[pallid quiver]

Do you have time on Mythic to pre-cast it a bit to get the CD back, Jakey? Someone brought that up and I have zero idea since I haven't actually thought about it

[jagged pier]

and the first one next time

u wont have it back

[jagged pier]

pre cast what?

[blazing condor]

spell block

its like a 30 sec duration

surely u can pre cast it

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, since it lasts 30 seconds, you have like 20s leniency? If you catch both soak and bomb

Not sure if that's enough time for it to come back, but

[jagged pier]

u can pop is on soak

but im pretty sure it does nothing to it

[tired crystal]

Yeah, taken double wall to help out

Feeling much more confident now

best % 54 atm

Just big orbs and tornados wiping the group out

[jagged pier]

there is no

need

for double wall

on any fight

your hurting yourself taking it

[idle quartz]

My guild only just cleared Igira last night /: been waiting for cross realm

[jagged pier]

less rage

and less SWs

[tribal wharf]

im way behind on farming thses

[strong forum]

A smidge

[idle quartz]

You can make that up in an afternoon, all g

[blazing condor]

[strong forum]

Yeah it's just like

70 keys

[blazing condor]

you can probably do 70 +16 atal dazars in like 20 hours

probably faster even

i assumed about 18 mins a dungeon but surely you can push that down with a good group

[tribal wharf]

spent forever going after the tier 3 ones

[blazing condor]

also have they added something that makes it so you dont spend vigor when you mount anymore

everytime i mount i do the fly up > zoom

and sitll have 5 vigor

[idle quartz]

I think Ascend can still put you in surge mode if you pick speed up fast enough

[tribal wharf]

i dont understand what that means precisely but okay

[blazing condor]

well i ascend into the 3 vigor boost

but still have 5

so idk

[tribal wharf]

"also have they added something that makes it so you dont spend vigor when you mount anymore" is the part i struggle with

[idle quartz]

Does it cost vigor to mount? Did it?

[blazing condor]

its more that i spend 4

but have 5

yeah poorly formulated

[tribal wharf]

there is the 30 second 3 stack instant recharge 1 not in a race abilitiy

you dont mean that right

[blazing condor]

probably that one

[minor lion]

Hey, I have these stats at the moment:

Do I focus on versa or on crit? So, build my gear and gems with Haste/Crit or Haste/Versa

Only playing M+

[tribal wharf]

you always focus on ilvl

and then haste and then whatever

[blazing condor]

also no not that one

i spawn somewhere > insta mount up with 5 vigor > ascend and boost > still have 5 vigor

or 6 rather

but only when i mount for the first time

[idle quartz]

You sure it’s not Ascend helping you regen vigor? I’ve never experienced anything like what you’re talking about

[blazing condor]

well can't post a vid of it in here

apparently

[tribal wharf]

why not

[blazing condor]

idk it wont send the message

even with the right file size

[tribal wharf]

file size too large? weird, i send lots of snips from keys i do

[tribal wharf]

im incapable of properly assisting in this matter

[flint cliff]

lariat

[spice cedar]

what are preferred crafted stats? new to prot. do I just sim for most damage? or go for vers/haste cap first?

[blazing condor]

Haste crit or haste vers

Theyre p much the same

You can sim if youd like

Haste is our best stat though so something with haste

[pallid quiver]

You usually sim for damage since defensive benefits are close enough that they don't really account for any difficulty adjustments, but haste crit is what's usually picked up more for crafted pieces

[next axle]

I have 6 sockets, gonna prob have 7 next week. Am I better off with lariat and vers wrists? or vers wrists and 1x shadowflame

Shadowflame only does like 2% of my dmg so I feel like its not that big of a loss for a lariat with that many sockets

[median tulip]

You'll probably find the Lariat Sims higher on multi-target scenarios. I certainly get that result.

[silver ridge]

PROTECTION WARRIOR GIGA CHAD TANK

[median tulip]

The difference between them is almost negligible though

[grand veldt]

26 tyran key soulbound goliath

it feels so good

i never get tired of the party trick

[restive scroll]

What so you call "party trick"?

[blazing condor]

Not reseting

[edgy bone]

@grand veldt yeah what's the party trick

[grand veldt]

just not resetting the stacks

people always flip a shit

it feels really satisfying

[edgy bone]

@grand veldt you took it to 90 stacks?

[grand veldt]

yes

[edgy bone]

How???

[grand veldt]

without proccing cheat

though i was certain it was going to proc cheat

you need a good healer

disc priest doesn't cut it

has to be a MW or Resto druid

[edgy bone]

What amount of stacks do you start rotating DRs for crush?

[grand veldt]

i stay in battle stance till like 30 stacks

[jagged pier]

i mean all that boss damage is blockable

so it does like nothing

[grand veldt]

yeah but when you get to like upper 70-90

you will need help getting topped off

ironically the crush casts he does buys you time

and you wanna save things like rally and last stand as the mid defensives or later ones you use

because the increase health pool helps with the larget ignore pain pools

[edgy bone]

Ahhh

Good advice

I didn't even think about that

[grand veldt]

yeah as the damage ramps up the bigger ignore pain pools do a lot

you can run double shield wall or single

they come up at about the same rate

communicate with your healer that not to use any cds on you till cheat pops

assuming it does

and then lastly have a back up plan

if cheat pops youll want hte DH to burn darkness

so you can last minute ditch it in fire if the boss isnt close to dying

that said if it isnt close to dying by 90 stacks you have a fucked group

[edgy bone]

Lmao

I'm gonna try this and get back to you

[grand veldt]

it's safest in 25 and below, 26 felt like a scary threshold

that one bricked but i timed another one with a disc priest

we had to burn darkness at 50ish stacks

his heals were not nearly as good

that could be player wise dif or just class dif im not certain

here's the log for the bricked 26: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tB6NjkdgaKRxwnAf#fight=13&pull=10&type=summary

and here's the timed one https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tB6NjkdgaKRxwnAf#fight=47

[restive scroll]

Yeah, so not really a party trick.
More of a party scare :p

[grand veldt]

i mean everything is a party trick until it goes wrong

[restive scroll]

^^

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[grand veldt]

💀

[tribal wharf]

worth

[blazing condor]

it actually is

[dusky canopy]

Qol yep

[tribal wharf]

i never forget the week i got 2 of them i could sell+ 200k gold ez

[blazing condor]

this man cooks

(soup)

[tribal wharf]

i just come for the free ketchup packets

clearly

[opaque quest]

Yogis diet consisting of soup and ketchup only

No wonder hes gone mad

[tribal wharf]

also deviled eggs

if we are going by canonical in game

[uneven mason]

Rageheart dropped on heroic fryak farm last night, lost it to a holy paladin

[pallid quiver]

Did you track them down and boil them in a vat of acid?

[opaque quest]

Wooooo group loot

With personal loot he wouldve gotten it too but you might not have noticed and wouldnt be pissed about it now

[dusky canopy]

Ngl I have recently found a craving for deviled eggs

I used to hate them

Randomly tried one this past Thanksgiving

Holy moly I’m hooked

[uneven mason]

They so good, I'm not allowed to have them though

Not if I want to sleep indoors

[high mesa]

Yeah my unpopular opinion is personal loot is BiS, plus you should be able to deterministically purchase BiS trinkets & weapons with tokens of merit.

RNG loot in a seasonal game is cringe

[toxic pewter]

they should just make wow a loadout game

like 'oh, you want play prot warr? ok here is ur full kit, have fun'

[high mesa]

I’m warming up to that idea more and more over time

[toxic pewter]

get rid of talents and loot

get rid of names, guild, get rid of the world itself.. let us queue from desktop

we just standing around val anyway, right? lol

[uneven mason]

"World of Warcraft: Mystic Quest"

[opaque quest]

I agree tho. Dinars should be a thing every season

Maybe not 3 but 1 or 2

Like my DK went all season without OCE in S2 and got gimped hard

Doesnt feel good

[uneven mason]

Make vault work like the level up options in Vampire Survivors

You get x number of rerolls and banishes for the season

[blazing condor]

i liked personal loot

problem is that its restrictive on how you can trade pieces

just make it easier to trade whatever

[jagged pier]

personal loot was garbo

[uneven mason]

Because I tell you, I'd love to get this fuckin igaria ring out of my vault

[blazing condor]

🤷‍♂️ i prefer it

[opaque quest]

Personal loot was bis for pugs

[blazing condor]

as someone who doesn't raid outside of pugging

group loot is doodoo

[opaque quest]

Ye

Just let raidleads choose at the beginning

Problem solved

[blazing condor]

and just enables greedy people to need for everything to get money out of ppl

[uneven mason]

I mean, bring personal back, limit it to normal

[opaque quest]

no

[uneven mason]

Yes

[opaque quest]

Just let people choose why is that so hard

[blazing condor]

just let ppl choose

let pugs be personal loot

[opaque quest]

Do you guys need people to hold your hands and tell you what to wear aswell?

[blazing condor]

and guilds can have their group

[opaque quest]

Stop making compromises in fucking games

The thought that games should be fun has been eradicated. Its wild

[blazing condor]

nothing in life is fun anymore

the fog is coming

[opaque quest]

Having lots of fun. Zero of it in AAA games tho

[uneven mason]

Been playing the crap out of every indie bullet hell that hits steam for under 5$

I've probably dropped more on these cheeseburger prices games in the past year than I've spent on AAA in the previous 5 years

[opaque quest]

Same. Gamepass has saved me from insanity

[uneven mason]

Like, the prices of AAA games are just obscene

80-90$ in Canada for a lot of them

[opaque quest]

Ive bought Metro Exodus for 10 bucks 2 weeks ago and still feel ripped off

Meanwhile Gamepass gives me Palworld for 10

[uneven mason]

Got it for free on epic

[opaque quest]

Roboquest

Steamworld

Hi Fi Rush

[uneven mason]

Also metro is quite possibly the worst optimized game I've ever run into

[opaque quest]

I couldnt hit 144 with a 6800xt

Rough

[uneven mason]

I can run cyberpunk at 100fps with raytracing on and metro is sitting at 30fps

[urban portal]

there are some shitty settings in metro

[uneven mason]

Occasionally it'll swing up to 144

[opaque quest]

There are only shitty settings because of bad optimization

[uneven mason]

And then I'll look at another model

And it'll take a shit

[opaque quest]

I dont think there is a single AAA Game in the last years i would give anything higher than a 6 at best

Meanwhile Hi Fi rush is a 9/10 or 10/10 for 20 bucks

[urban portal]

would baldurs gate be AA

elden ring is def triple A too

[opaque quest]

Didnt play either

But both are defo good according to other ppl

[jagged pier]

i class both as AAA tbh

larian does have a huge following

tbh

even before BG3

[opaque quest]

Gotta seperate. Studio is defo Indie. Product is AAA

[jagged pier]

ppl dont want to class it as them because they can go, eurgh look at these none AAA games doinga gopod job

its like brah they are AAA but done how it should be done

u can still hold all the other companies to that standard

[opaque quest]

We should. But nobody does. People just go out and buy the new CoD or BF. Or suicide squad. bUt Im HaViNg FuN

[jagged pier]

well some ppl

do that for sure

mostly younger generation now

because they have to have the new thing

[urban portal]

oh spiderman si good

its not amazing

but its an 8 at least

[jagged pier]

spiderman gamees are good

[opaque quest]

Exclusives

kekW

[jagged pier]

but compared to the hours i got out of BG3 or elden ring for the same price is ummm

the new one will come to pc

[opaque quest]

Sony isnt making games. They are making movies

[jagged pier]

the first 2 were good

but ill only buy spiderman when on steam and in sale the new one

like i did with the other 2

[opaque quest]

I dont think ive spent more than 20 bucks on a game since Witcher 3

Cause none of them are worth it and those that are dont fall in price

[jagged pier]

i would say BG3 100% is and eldenring 100% is IF u like the type of game

[opaque quest]

Yea probably. But im a patient gamer. Ill wait

[warm plinth]

Good morning frens

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/hasbulla-hasbulla-magomedov-wave-gif-24801727

[pallid quiver]

NO

morning BANNED

[jagged pier]

NA gamers trying to tell me its morning when ive been working for nearly 9 hours

[opaque quest]

As a baker im used to people saying morning when ive been working 4 hours when they start

[dusky canopy]

You guys sleep?

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/greys-anatomy-meredith-grey-sometimes-ellen-pompeo-gif-20559246

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-gif-23756243

[toxic pewter]

thats me irl

[dusky canopy]

What are the negatives to insomnia?

[opaque quest]

With magnum dong?

[dusky canopy]

Do you start hearing colors at a certain point in life?

[jagged pier]

pretty much everything thats considered bad for the human body

is a side effect to insomnia

[opaque quest]

Sleeping to much is also bad btw

[toxic pewter]

some say sleeping more is worse than sleeping less

insomnia truly is awful tho

prob one of my least favorite things to experience and I do not wish it on anyone

[opaque quest]

On a more happy note

This is just evee right?

[jagged pier]

yes

[toxic pewter]

that cute

[opaque quest]

Much floof

Such wow

[toxic pewter]

is that one of those new pokeman in that new game

[opaque quest]

ITS A PAL

GET IT RIGHT

[jagged pier]

ITS A PAL

[opaque quest]

OR NINTENDO KICKS DOWN OUR DOORS

[toxic pewter]

is that a pala

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-i-will-kill-you-kill-kill-you-gif-16432800

[toxic pewter]

imagine instead palworld it is palaworld all the monsters just bubble hearth instead of like fighting and stuff

would u purchase that

[opaque quest]

I havent purchased this one either

Gamepass ftw

[toxic pewter]

i see

[opaque quest]

So unless Gamepass hearth bubbles im fine

[toxic pewter]

game pass u say..

hmmm

never really thought of getting that

it got any good game

[opaque quest]

HiFi Rush

Dead Space remake

Jedi games

[toxic pewter]

they remade dead space?

[opaque quest]

EA did

[jagged pier]

its got tones of good games tbh

[toxic pewter]

i played the original one lol

[opaque quest]

And EA is included in gamepass

[toxic pewter]

interesting

sounds pretty good

[opaque quest]

Gamepass truly is the best deal in gaming. Microsoft aint lying lol

[toxic pewter]

they need add blizzard stuff to it

[opaque quest]

Some Ubi games are there too

[toxic pewter]

they got any assassin creed

[opaque quest]

DRG is on there too

Ye all of them except mirage

[toxic pewter]

oh wow

[opaque quest]

oh nvm they deleted half of them

Wait

Only Valhalla left. But they had Odissey and so on too cause i played them

[toxic pewter]

still that pretty good even having a few

[opaque quest]

nvm i just couldnt find them

They are still on there

[toxic pewter]

dang

actually pretty badass

[opaque quest]

You also get a month for free when you buy a controller. My hall effect thingy cost 30 bucks and included a month worth 15. I just bought 2

[toxic pewter]

palworld alone being there is pretty surprising considering how new and popular it is

[opaque quest]

They have lots of Day 1 games

[toxic pewter]

interesting

[opaque quest]

The new Senua Game will be there too. You can even pre load it already

You can get a trial month for free. Just give it a shot

[toxic pewter]

oh wow starfield on there

i just remembered i tried the pass to play sea of thieves with my friend

was pretty fun

[opaque quest]

Its a bethesda game. All bethesda games are day 1

[lusty grotto]

its too bad theres no crossplay for palworld though

between steam and gamepass

[opaque quest]

Its on the roadmap at least

[lusty grotto]

yeah

my friends have a dedicated server

im lvl 47

its on hard mode lol

the whole catching rate bug tilts me though

[opaque quest]

Ive tried my friend to get into the game but hes addicted to BG3 rn

[lusty grotto]

88% catch rate, breaks out

[opaque quest]

With the statue? Ye

[lusty grotto]

yeah it sucks

[tribal wharf]

all those games listed in last 5 minutes or so here are shit

[lusty grotto]

k

[tribal wharf]

bg3 probably okay, i dunno if i'd play it

[lusty grotto]

valhalla is great

senua 1 is critically acclaimed

palworld is a fun game thats extremely polished for the shit dev team they had

idk

opinions are like assholes i guess

[opaque quest]

Its just way way way to long

[opaque quest]

Unless you talk about thugs running into walls

[opaque quest]

my favorite game of all time

[tribal wharf]

i think for the most part 2d games are better than 3d games

[lusty grotto]

you play 10 year old games or older yogi

youre stuck in the past

[tribal wharf]

depends on the game for 2d, some of them are total shit

[opaque quest]

I mean i like old games too like WC3

But im not a boomer that says there arent good new games

[lusty grotto]

right

[opaque quest]

Its like saying "iM bOrN iN tHe WroNg GeNeRaTiOn"

[tribal wharf]

i don't know, besides baldurs gate 3 what came out last year thats good

[lusty grotto]

the last amazing 2d game i played was hollow knight

[tribal wharf]

thats the like 1 game, pal world i guess

[lusty grotto]

there are a couple more 2d games on my backlog but thats the last one i actually played that was S+

[dusky canopy]

Huh?

[dusky canopy]

I know about the boss catching bug but not a statue related one?

[tribal wharf]

if you know, you know

[opaque quest]

Dead Space revival

HiFi Rush

Robo Quest

SteamWorld Build

[lusty grotto]

if you upgrade catch rate using the statue (with liftmunk effigies) you get negative catch rate instead

last year? TotK, BG3, Armored Core, Alan Wake

there were so many goty games last year it was insane

[opaque quest]

There are defo still good games. Even if its less than 10 years ago

[tribal wharf]

yeah and also, a good game is good ferever

mario 3

nobody in the world is going to argue its a bad game

[winged slate]

Good games are not always good forever

Some games age and suck balls to play later

[tribal wharf]

that's a lie cuz you can come back to play them and they are just as fun and engaging as the last time

[winged slate]

Yeah no

[tribal wharf]

that cant be said about, swamp thing for nes

[lusty grotto]

i dont replay old games

[tribal wharf]

that i played it last night, and im really looking forward to playing and beating it tomorrow

[lusty grotto]

i 100% them once, and that's it

thats why i dislike remakes

and remasters

unless they make significant changes like the FF7 ones

also forgot to list spiderman 2

[winged slate]

Go play goldeneye n64 and get pissed at how miserable the controls are, and how goddamn laggy it is. That game aged like milk

[tribal wharf]

well sure ya, and then if i still really like the game, like say its TMNT nes of mario 3, but i've already beaten it, i'd like come up with a challenge, mario 3 no power ups no death run, or i'd download a hacked rom of the game changing how it works slightly and level layouts

[lusty grotto]

thats not for me

why play something again when there's other games to play

[tribal wharf]

alot of games suck

thats why

[lusty grotto]

im not saying its a bad thing to do

im just saying its not fo rme

and thats how i see it

[winged slate]

and yet you run the same 8 dungeons for months smh

[lusty grotto]

lol

thats a good point

[winged slate]

I think replaying games is sick if they were that fun that you can actually get to enjoy them again

[tribal wharf]

watch?v=J0sh1zhYt1Y

someone remade that last year and its 60+ fps now and its glorious

[winged slate]

Yeah because the old version is dogshit unplayable garbage

Despite being the game that arguably pioneered the FPS genre

[lusty grotto]

its just like movies and books

[tribal wharf]

omegalul wat no

[lusty grotto]

some age well

some dont

[tribal wharf]

as a doom enjoyer this maker me very angry madge

[winged slate]

Yep, something can be amazing for the time and suck later

[lusty grotto]

and it doesnt take away from the fact that they redefined genres or were amazing on their time

[winged slate]

Doom is boring as fuck and it's okay if you like it

[opaque quest]

Wooo tutorial done. Tower ded

Capturing zoe and grizzbolt before was hella useless

[tribal wharf]

that u dont know it was doom that did that, or more acurately, wolfenstien 3d, based on catacombs 3d work

[lusty grotto]

as a quake/doom born FPSer (me), you cant really say goldeneye didnt bring FPS to the masses and you cant really argue against it

[winged slate]

Doom brought FPS to the consoles and the mainstream audiences?

Nope, that was goldeneye

[tribal wharf]

i view wolfenstiend 3d as the first true 3d shooter game, the one responsible for all the call of duties

[winged slate]

It took until Halo for someone to make the controls not suck

[tribal wharf]

it was the first one that sold more than 8 copies

and first one with guns and humans to shoot, rather than laser and robots

[lusty grotto]

thats what i meant

i forgot the double negative

[winged slate]

I was more pointing at Yogi than you

[lusty grotto]

ah

[tribal wharf]

i think you guys miss the point that nintendo from snes days was so desperate for wolfenstien 3d that they accepted having the whole thing changed to regilous themes about feeding animals on noahs ark with a sling shot to make them sleep as opposed to nazi killing stuff taking place in real game

[lusty grotto]

that doesnt matter

thats not the point that was being argued

[tribal wharf]

it was always wanted from day one

is my point

[lusty grotto]

doesnt matter

and regardless doom and wolf made their way to consoles anyway

so thats completely beside the point

[tribal wharf]

ya, and do you know until how long it took to get a fully functioing, non stripped version of doom?

[lusty grotto]

does

not

matter

[tribal wharf]

it took until xbox motherfuckin 360

to get it with allll the features and maps

of pc

[lusty grotto]

we're not arguing about the intricacies of porting doom or wolf over

[tribal wharf]

okay what are you saying

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

[opaque quest]

Most important is that overwatch brought loot boxes to the masses

[lusty grotto]

lol

[tribal wharf]

wrong once again

madden franchise in the 90s

[opaque quest]

Im not talking about who had boxes first. Im talking about who normalized it my man

[tribal wharf]

ya, not wrong in that context

[opaque quest]

Blizzard on the forefront of bullshit since 1342

[tribal wharf]

always were

[opaque quest]

Seems legit

[tribal wharf]

it aint much, or honest work, but is somethin

[torn gulch]

yogi got to the myth track items in vault

let's gooo

[warm plinth]

Huge

[lusty tiger]

Yogi yogi yogi yogi

[blazing condor]

mf farming crests

way-crests

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-get-out-dan-levy-david-david-rose-schitts-creek-gif-20760343

[jagged pier]

yogi playing again

POG

[tribal wharf]

i need 240 + at least + whatever else i need for 489 ilvl

[jagged pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/832390254895300648.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[tribal wharf]

still aint done the aspect craft

just wyrm

[hearty palm]

What embellishments does Prot run generic and M+ ?

[warm plinth]

Patch x2

[waxen orbit]

Beams overlapping with mushrooms is lowkey a little cancer on M Tindral

Not a huge deal because you just call an external at that point but just an annoying overlap

Shield Wall + Reflect + full stacked IP ain’t even enough to live that beam combo

[jagged pier]

it is

just dont move

u trigger more ticks

its very strange

[waxen orbit]

Wait

Moving while inside it

Makes it tick more?

[jagged pier]

pretty sure

[waxen orbit]

I never would have guessed that the fuck

[jagged pier]

u can also switch to d stance

[waxen orbit]

I mean that’s a given for sure

It’s just nuts that 80% DR sitting in that shit STILL feels like I’m French-kissing death

Feels like an actual mythic fight

[jagged pier]

your not supposed to soak the beam

[waxen orbit]

No I know

[jagged pier]

thats kind of the point

[waxen orbit]

I’m not criticizing it

I think it’s totally fine from a design standpoint

Just such a feelsbad when soaking shrooms and you watch in slow motion as the Ass-Clencher 3000 creeps toward you knowing you’re just gonna have to thug it out

[jagged pier]

u should be able to bait the beams positions honestly with the way the boss faces

[waxen orbit]

I only have had one night of prog; what’s the tech on that?

For future reference

Was stepping in for the main tank on the roster because I applied late and he was out for the week. Probably not going on the boss again but just tryna figure out what I can iron up in case I’m wrong and I’m pulled back in

[jagged pier]

there isnt any i know of

[hardy snow]

maybe today will be the day

[blazing condor]

[jagged pier]

thats 100 more than my guild and 160 was too much

[hardy snow]

If we pass it, im afraid of pull count on tindral

[jagged pier]

tindrall inflated by p1 wipes

[uneven mason]

Fast turnaround

[blazing condor]

u got tindral yet jakey?

[hardy snow]

I know, but I guess in our case after nerf will be ~same as prenerf for normal guilds

[uneven mason]

Nah, Jakey is rank 12, not good enough to kill tindral

[tribal wharf]

good news is im 480ilvl now, or i will be by tomorrow garunteed

myth haste neck would be really good

[jagged pier]

true

[chilly brook]

Oof

[tribal wharf]

what is goal here, parse or kill boss, kil boss i assume?

and, basically, whos fault if your wiping, uhhhh 268 times, it sounds like, tanks? healer, melee, range?

or just like farm some loot

[uneven mason]

It's mythic

Sometimes people just don't have those sort of reflexes

[blazing condor]

probably one of those yeah

[tribal wharf]

oh ya, sounds like fire dmg

[uneven mason]

It's always the hdh

I really hate hdh

[tribal wharf]

um, don't stand in fire and re-roll to class with + fire resistance... which was that again.... /s

[uneven mason]

Literally lost my shit on one of ours

[jagged pier]

dps most likely

being hit by waves

[tribal wharf]

those pink swirls on lord waycrest are gross, must be horrific in 25s

[uneven mason]

Because he had 2s left in coiling flames and fel rushed through me, if I hadn't been in CD already

[chilly brook]

When you’re fury and eat waves because you out heal it

[blazing condor]

if you're bad enough to stand in them yeah

otherwise you just move away from it

[tribal wharf]

its more if stars align when have to run out of entangling(and you dont have avatar to clear it) or they like cluster all around you (and you do'nt have leap)

[hardy snow]

mostly hit waves, bad positioning, bad baiting geysers, generally bad movement :v

[tribal wharf]

its like the covid ring on that boss, nobody WANTS to spread the green covid ring

but it happens from time to time

[jagged pier]

u cant have bad baits after 268 wipes man

the boss is on rails

[tribal wharf]

one of us spread the covid here and it got out of control

[blazing condor]

i aint never seen anyone die to the purple circles

on that boss

[warm plinth]

Holy fuck yogi what is that

[tribal wharf]

same with the final boss swirls on the DHT boss right

surely

[warm plinth]

I've seen people die to those

[chilly brook]

That’s what we call 1100 io

[tribal wharf]

do u want the full boss clip

[warm plinth]

Isn't he doing like 17/18s now

Yes I do

[hazy bronze]

Damn yogi likes em.young

[tribal wharf]

whoa

[urban portal]

anyone remember the legendary bullfango yogi vod review

[hazy bronze]

No

[jagged pier]

yes and he turned around and said he didnt listen to it

because he didnt like being told where he went wrong

after asking for it

[tribal wharf]

so anyway thats what happened

[blazing condor]

well well well if it isnt mr yogi "getting hit in the back" yogison

[tribal wharf]

true

[winged slate]

Brother turn to face the boss

What are you doing

[dusky canopy]

Tindy 28% boys! Good chance we kill this coming reset

[winged slate]

I'm gonna make you unbind your W key

[tribal wharf]

but ya, crap happens and bad desicions are often made

what no

[winged slate]

Make you move only with Q, E, and S

[tribal wharf]

thats probably right, but its going to drive me crazy

[winged slate]

Don't W key through enemies lol

[tribal wharf]

bro i am fps cod andy and i dunno if unbind w is possible

i am npc on this one

[winged slate]

Even more reason to learn how to strafe

[tribal wharf]

no, ya, no, strafe is fine i get it

but how not forward button?

no

disagree

[winged slate]

You can go forward, but not through an enemy to turn your back to them

How often do you intentionally turn your back to enemies in an FPS

Keep your gun pointed at your target

[tribal wharf]

yup, and thats where the analogy falls apart is cuz in doom eternal, same idea as wow trying to dps scary monsters right attack, um and its like, at certain point u get overwhelmed and always something at your back

wow everything herdable mobs,

[winged slate]

It's the same thing though

If your back is against the wall, enemies don't spawn there

Can't get shot in the back

[tribal wharf]

yup, and also in doom, you typically dont take bonus dmg from behind

[winged slate]

Can you shoot people from your back?

Cause if not, you need to face your target

[tribal wharf]

no, but what you point your gun at, is dictated by alot of things

[winged slate]

You point your gun at what you're shooting

Point your sword at what you're fighting

[waxen orbit]

Bro

[winged slate]

Not at the wall behind the dude

[waxen orbit]

What the fuck is happening over there

[tribal wharf]

right, precisely, a fodder or blocker enemy basically, always changes "what" the target is

[winged slate]

and yet you repeatedly turn your back to every target

There's only one boss just look at him

[waxen orbit]

Oh word okay this explains it

[tribal wharf]

im just waiting for more of that account wide stuff to drop

[high mesa]

Doom eternal is amazing

[tribal wharf]

original doom is just as good when you get down to it, open source if you dont like something in it so free to change it

[hazy bronze]

I take bonus damage from your behind 😩

[grand veldt]

Yall are savage lmfao

[winged slate]

It's not savage to tell Yogi to stop getting kicked in the back

[grand veldt]

I know it's just funny

[winged slate]

Poor dude is getting curb stomped

[grand veldt]

Like yeah that was a tough clip

There's some cool tricks you can do on that fight to reset his wasting strike timer when leaps on cd too

And I remember turning my back in Goliath once to help with a thorn and immediately popping cheat

Some lessons are learned in extremes lol

[uneven mason]

You keep that shield up

Boss tickles as long as you got board

[grand veldt]

Yeah I'm aware

I posted my logs from a 26 tyran last night in here

90 stacks no reset

Feels amazing everytime

[uneven mason]

Yeah then I watch a monk hit 25 stacks on a 22 and get et

[grand veldt]

I always end the fight with "let's see a vdh do that" bc I'm a cringer

[uneven mason]

Pug healer always flip their shit when you won't reset

[grand veldt]

Yeah

You always want a back up plan with DH darkness

In case you fuck up

26 tyran does feel like a threshold though

[nimble gate]

Hey do y'all have any tips for groups that rip aggro in higher keys? Mainly having trouble with high burst pulling off of me during the beginning of a pull when I've only really thunderclaped and tossed ravager

[median tulip]

I had a healer ask if I was hacking because I wasn't taking damage

[uneven mason]

Or the ret taunts it onto the fire thinking they're "saving the key"

[grand veldt]

I have a mythic track shield, and I think If I tried no resets on 27 tyran I'd need external help a bit

[uneven mason]

Maybe

[grand veldt]

But you can probably do 27 and 28 fortified no resets

[uneven mason]

Like they buffed our hp

So maybe not!!!!

[grand veldt]

Yeah maybe I gem stam

Go full IP build

[median tulip]

Just Taunt if you lose a mib. Taunt multiplies threat generation.

[uneven mason]

IP double biffed

[grand veldt]

It's a tough issue

I still struggle with this personally

[nimble gate]

Should I just yell at pugs to give me a min for aggro too?

[uneven mason]

Challenging shout bruh

Yes

[nimble gate]

It's on CD sometimes!

[grand veldt]

That or play with an outlaw rogue

They give a ton of threat

[uneven mason]

Like pugs tend to just go ham before mobs are settled in

[median tulip]

I did have one healer ask before the key started what my reset plan was, and he was a bit startled when I just replied "Resets are for cowards"

[grand veldt]

What I found helped me a lot

Is playing with titanic throw

But titanic throw is aids in many ways

[uneven mason]

NO RESET, ME BLOK

[grand veldt]

You can pull mobs you didn't want

[nimble gate]

I was gonna say it's rage is too far I've noticed

[uneven mason]

Tt in WM or eb

[grand veldt]

I have pulled 3rd boss multiple times in wcm

[jagged pier]

yer if they dumb enough to pull for u, or burst 2 seconds into a pull u let them die

[nimble gate]

I am honestly in an awkward position as a player where I'm better than the average wow player but I don't think I'm quite good enough for super high end pushing

[uneven mason]

It's as bad as legion sidewinders

[grand veldt]

I had to start pulling mobs with taunt

Inside the corridors

[uneven mason]

His hitbox is the whole room and if you tt directly at him one axe always yeets up and grabs the 2nd floor

[median tulip]

Also, hitting mobs you lose with Shockwave or ST Stun is a perfectly reasonable way to get them back under control.

Or just a chunky Fervid Bite Shield Slam works

[grand veldt]

Don't forget heroic leap resets taunt cd

Shockwave, run out and leap in

Then throw your cursor around

Praying you land the taunt

[uneven mason]

So many people don't know this

Wtb vigilance (wotlk version)

[median tulip]

Shockwave, leap out, Shield Charge in is better

[grand veldt]

I just want challenging shout to be a 1 min or 45s cd

[grand veldt]

True

The larger issue is we wanna demo shout

Before we do shit

And it's like the globals

You lose threat in less than a global sometimes with these idiots

Leaps off GCD

It's just obnoxious

Popping rageheart on the pull opener had helped

There's a lot of little tricks

[uneven mason]

Looking forward to getting anvil again

[grand veldt]

I even took the heroic throw double damage talent

Over revenge damage

[uneven mason]

That 1m CD burst was my secret

[median tulip]

Ranged that pull before I do grind my fucking gears

[hazy bronze]

Anvil + brand

[grand veldt]

So titanic does like 20k and applies deep wounds for me

[uneven mason]

Tied anvil to ss

[median tulip]

Next season bro, next season

[grand veldt]

I was really annoyed how details or logs would track anvil

I always felt it was lower than it actually was

[median tulip]

Some of the season 4 combinations are going to be silly. VotI rings with all the fire damage trinkets?

[grand veldt]

Yeah I forget, all the raids have their ilvl boosted right

Not just 1 raid

[pallid quiver]

No it drops all their ilvls

[median tulip]

In SL it started with one raid per week

[pallid quiver]

If it's like last fated, they cycle between the th-

[grand veldt]

Cringeee

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, it'll cycle between them, then at the end, all are available

[grand veldt]

Yeah you'd want ring for sure, rageheart

[pallid quiver]

There's also like, raid affixes, too, if they do the same thing

[grand veldt]

And then idk chromatic essence maybe

[tribal wharf]

mythic fated all-totem

[median tulip]

Excited to teach everyone how to do Dathea all over again

[grand veldt]

I suspect this will be the last season we get to use cheat trinket

[pallid quiver]

Bacon to maximum extreme levels again ;-;

[tribal wharf]

super duper bacon

[grand veldt]

Have to run that dog shit talent or just pop

[pallid quiver]

I mean, BSV doesn't even really help still; it's not actually a cheat death

you can also just not die

[grand veldt]

I agree

[median tulip]

I have never run BSV and I don't intend to start

[bleak breach]

Neither

[grand veldt]

I mean I just need to get better, I randomly fuck up on gathers

[median tulip]

This is my plan. Play correctly, don't die, no need for cheat death

[grand veldt]

Forget to reflect a big maggot pull

Whoops cheat popped

[uneven mason]

Real death best teacher

[lavish sphinx]

Is Warrior getting any retrospective articles?

[strong forum]

dps ones yes, prot unlikely

[warm plinth]

Wdym nome, we already got a prot article 😏

It was just a prot paladin article labeled wrong

[strong forum]

🙂

[warm plinth]

When you gonna take Llarold's place Nome

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/who-knows-shrug-what-shades-on-idk-gif-15962763

https://tenor.com/view/columbo-detective-confused-thinking-peter-falk-gif-9201241461890937253

[pallid quiver]

It's still so weird to me that the Prot War article just straight got shot

Is the Destro one that was like two paragraphs still up?

[waxen frigate]

NISH’S TINNED FISH ADVENTURES: REBOOT

Nuri Spiced Sardines in Olive Oil - amazing. One bite and it blew every other can of fish I’ve ever had out of the water

[warm plinth]

Well when the article isn't about what the article is supposed to be about, no reason to keep it up

[pallid quiver]

i would've wagered they'd at least ask him to rewrite it if that was their issue, but

I don't make content for Wowhead, I don't deal with the average WoW community, so I got no idea how that all works out or anything

[warm plinth]

It's possible they did and are just putting it at the end of the line

[blazing condor]

what was wrong with the article?

im out of the loop

[waxen frigate]

well llarold wrote it for starters

[blazing condor]

well considering he usually writes the wowhead stuff i imagine there's something else

if even wowhead said nah

[warm plinth]

It was an article whining about how we're not prot paladins

Instead of what it was supposed to be

[toxic pewter]

f that i dont want to be some circle stander

[warm plinth]

I guess they took down the other one he wrote too

Or never posted it, not sure

[blazing condor]

[warm plinth]

Iirc he writes for brewmaster too

[opaque quest]

I dont wanna be a pala :/

[waxen frigate]

sadly

[opaque quest]

I wanna beat stuff not pray on my knees for god to splurge all his holyness over my face

[cursive prawn]

He’s in this server. Don’t be hostile

[blazing condor]

i mean

[waxen frigate]

I'm aware.

[blazing condor]

sure non-constructive things to say aren't the best

[waxen frigate]

I've given him feedback before in Peak as well.

[blazing condor]

but just because you share space doesnt make you exempt from criticism

[waxen frigate]

I'll give him that his guides have improved since the start of DF quite a bit.

I still don't really recommend them to people.

[cursive prawn]

Criticise the content all you want, don’t just bash the guy

[waxen frigate]

I never bashed him

I don't know anything about who he is as a person and don't claim to

actually--I've heard positive things about him from a friend

in terms of general demeanor/friendliness

but that's irrelevant to criticism of his guides

[strong forum]

Llarold is a cool dude

[warm plinth]

I'm sure he's a fine person. I would just prefer someone closer to the spec was our writer

[blazing condor]

just tell me exactly what to write and ill do it

[strong forum]

Okay so

Prot gud

Players just bad

[blazing condor]

mhm mhm

[warm plinth]

"Press button" - @pallid quiver

[blazing condor]

got it

so what i got so far... "pwarr unplayable f tier - needs more utility like pala"

[tribal wharf]

i did another wcm, fucking boots

[blazing condor]

from Dora the explorer?

[tribal wharf]

ID ONT NEED NO DAMNED BOOTS

blizzarurdd

[pallid quiver]

I didn't find some of the arguments made in there were made in the best of faith, but I can't remember them just off the top of my head without the article.

Also, I agree that anytime Llarold's been in here saying things, I've always thought he was a really cool dude. That's why the article bothered me as much as it did is because I think it wasn't the work he really could put out on his better days. I never wanted the article completely taken down or anything; I just wanted to bring to note the issues I had with it.

[pallid quiver]

10/10 accurate, can confirm, this is me

[opaque quest]

Make a tier list where everything except warr is F tier

[tribal wharf]

ring go to healer priest with veteran rings on 😦

2 more and id have 3 myth slot

[opaque quest]

You know you can just not bother and use a slightly sub optimal ring for 18s right

Dont force yourself if you dont want to. I did and burnt out

[uneven trench]

what do y'all think about dropping intimidating shout for titanic throw?

feel like I'm not really using shout all that much and it doesn't even work on most enemies with priority kicks

[strong forum]

You can ninja pull with it

It's nice qol in places where you can't ninja pull

But I'd not give up that 5 target stop

Just to have slightly more qol when pulling

And the 3sec CD can also be annoying when you want to pull multiple packs

[grand veldt]

I agree completely with nome here

You give up the reduced 1 second kick or reduced 1s kick/shield slam talent

[uneven trench]

So when is shout gonna shine then? I mainly use it one things like Saurids in AD and Nightclaws in DHT to prevent them from mauling folks. Outside of that it feels really meh.

[grand veldt]

Or heroic leap Inc move speed

[strong forum]

I just never use it

Wait you mean shout?

[grand veldt]

I use it bc I saw pika was using it a lot

[strong forum]

Shout is a backup aoe stop

[grand veldt]

And it helps a lot with threat on gathers

[strong forum]

He mean intimidating shout

[grand veldt]

Or snap threat for open pull

Oh

[strong forum]

Not aoe interrupt

[grand veldt]

No I meant titanic throw

And he meant shout

Shouts not ideal but it's a stop

You use all your stops first as tank

Buys your dps more time to use their cds

[tribal wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77Cq0oPr7yE

[limpid orbit]

prot fun ?

[tribal wharf]

lllarod reviews wcm

[grand veldt]

The easier you make the pull the quicker it dies

[uneven trench]

I pug everything so i'm the ONLY person using stops lmfao

[strong forum]

Prot fun

[limpid orbit]

always dps wanna switch it up

[grand veldt]

Literally me last season lol

[limpid orbit]

prot seems to have nice cc

whgat makes u guys enjoy tanking? whats the fun in it?

[uneven trench]

Prot paladin is WAY better. DH is technically meta but I can't stand it.

[strong forum]

I don't enjoy tanking this season cuz idk

[grand veldt]

I do

[strong forum]

Nothing rewards you for playing well

Cuz nothing hurts

So it's super mundane

[grand veldt]

I'm almost 3300 now and I'm still enjoying it

Idk breath on deilos hurts if you don't leap it

[strong forum]

They nerfed it twice

[grand veldt]

It hurts a fucking lot still

[uneven trench]

Having control over the group and being able to play at my own pace. Also nice to track CDs and know that I can pull big and folks will be able to melt everything.

[limpid orbit]

id play dps warr but i pug so idk if i wanna play non meta dpos

sit in que all day

[strong forum]

The main upside of playing tank yourself, is, you don't have a shit tank to suffer through

[uneven trench]

tru

[grand veldt]

Yeah and you can control the route

[strong forum]

You decide the pace

So you can go proper fast

And not afk 3 mobs, food break, 3 mobs, food break

Or have a tank that resets on 15 stacks on soulbound Goliath

[uneven trench]

Don't forget the classic pull before someone is in a boss room or pull while healer is oom

[limpid orbit]

just wish warr had more util

[uneven trench]

We're honestly fine. Just a bit more reliant on your group kicking adds to make them run in.

[tribal wharf]

demon hunters is my favorite

i am such a fan from pov of looking in at them

[uneven trench]

Can't stand them. Haven't played one personally but I always feel like adds are scattered and they don't CC when I have them as a PUG tank.

[strong forum]

We have 4 stops, all on short cds

People just don't use them well

40sec aoe stun
30sec ranged stun

45sec stun

And 1.5min 5target fear

That's hell of a lot of control

[blazing condor]

you also fear necrofrost on blight of galakrond

[tribal wharf]

ya, i got cow stomp, basically a "stop"

[uneven trench]

I had no idea that you could fear it off of people

[strong forum]

Issue is just the fact that the silence part of pally and vdh

[blazing condor]

Fear insta breaks it

[strong forum]

Is just insane

[blazing condor]

Very handy

[strong forum]

Disorient break the necrofrost

So any kind of fear

Blind

Incap

Or freedom

[limpid orbit]

honestly arms i am a big fan of but thats pvp trying to find the pve side of warr to go in on

[grim pilot]

5t+ primary target

[strong forum]

I never counted

[uneven trench]

honestly hasn't been an issue bc I always run a Ret pally in my groups. Freedom is just so sweet esp on entangling

[strong forum]

So could be idk

I just press to stop

[grim pilot]

Y

[strong forum]

And it works most of the time on the correct targets

[grim pilot]

War has ok cc

Not dh kind but

Decent

[strong forum]

If you play well, and aware of the fact that SC stuns aswell

You can do alot of shit

[grim pilot]

Yeah I mean defo

[strong forum]

But you can't silence on a 46sec cd

For 8seconds

And uncapped aoe

[grim pilot]

15 sec silence

If you have opp roar

[strong forum]

Well sure

But GL with that

[grim pilot]

Deadge

Its crazy

Ye I mean in premade groups

Or with smart evo

[strong forum]

GL WITH THAT

Lol

Smart augs

In 2024

[grim pilot]

Never said augs

[strong forum]

As if others existed

[grim pilot]

I play with pres evo quite often

Ex guildie

[strong forum]

I've not seen a single specimen

Of prevoker

[grim pilot]

Ive seen a few

But wouldnt dare to invite them

If I know INSANE pres

That struggles sometimes

Then yeah

No ty pres

Theyre literally hard capped in certain situationsb

Its stupid

[strong forum]

And they can't "react"

To shit

It's all full setup

[grim pilot]

And its super pain

If you have ranged

I saw him heal some weekly +20

[strong forum]

Entirely frontal based healing is fun wdym

[grim pilot]

He rescued hunt to melee

To drag him there

And he disengaged

[strong forum]

Ofc

If you're ranged you always play max range

https://tenor.com/view/law-smile-ocd-creep-scold-gif-8128981

[blazing condor]

I tell my mom not to do that cus she ends up way behind cus shes slow

[next axle]

I have 6 sockets, gonna prob have 7 next week. Am I better off with lariat and vers wrists? or vers wrists and 1x shadowflame
Shadowflame only does like 2% of my dmg so I feel like its not that big of a loss for a lariat with that many sockets

[opaque quest]

[strong forum]

Lariat won't give you much more than shadowflame does either

Embellishs are an insanely small part when it comes to gearing and the difference between em is miniscule

[next axle]

Understood, I am not really gearing. I am at 486 - just kinda min maxing the gear at this point

[strong forum]

Can always sim

But it's slime to no gain to change to lariat

In St probably a loss even

[next axle]

Got it, well while I have your attention. Tree boss in Darkheart has been the bane of my existence all season. Any tips?

[warm plinth]

Leap away from the breath. Def stance, and SR is up for every grip.

[next axle]

Is Leap up for every breath? I found its up every other for me. And I did not know I could reflect grip

[warm plinth]

You can't, SR gives you magic DR too

And if you're running bounding stride, leap is up for every breath

[next axle]

SR and D stance is enough? I prob have to keep IP stacked and SW when things get hairy or healer on CD

Does SB completly mitigate its dmg?

[warm plinth]

Spell Block doesn't even work on it

Depends on the key level though. I'm sure at some point you'll have to rotate wall, demo, LS in there

[next axle]

Got it, thank you for the tips

[grim pilot]

doesnt spell block work on the final hit?