Is nice
#protection
lusty tiger
plush tendon
goated ability
lusty tiger
10x bolster unstunnable mob about to graycast on my damage dealer… I guess you just die
Womp womp
daring marlin
dusky canopy
Or stun locking a pack for 15 seconds
lusty tiger
<:clueless:1099922541923024997>
😻
median tulip
10x bolster unstunnable mob about to graycast on my damage dealer… I guess you j...
If Intervene worked on Spellcasts... Then you could Spell Reflect it. THAT would be top Prot tech
lusty tiger
Guilford told me he can bench more than everyone in this discord combined
lusty tiger
If Intervene worked on Spellcasts... Then you could Spell Reflect it. THAT would...
That would be fun
plush tendon
If Intervene worked on Spellcasts... Then you could Spell Reflect it. THAT would...
it would be busted.... and Im all here for it!
daring marlin
Guilford told me he can bench more than everyone in this discord combined
That's a lie. I don't talk about this discord.
median tulip
We're not allowed fun 😞
daring marlin
it would be busted.... and Im all here for it!
Back to the BDK with you.
blazing condor
plush tendon
I got.... 9 greaters and 22 lessers
lusty tiger
No fun zone
daring marlin
RNG fun.
plush tendon
we did get to 3450 on the BDK though ❤️
daring marlin
Imagine with leggo. 
lusty tiger
He got axed out of plat in league
dusky canopy
daring marlin
jerry is garb
plush tendon
Imagine with leggo. <:critcake:984549832511344640>
im the last one in my guild....
8/9 people have it
im 9/9
lusty tiger
Soon
plush tendon
that includes rat alts
blazing condor
dam u only got 9 ppl in ur guild
plush tendon
all I know is hes stuck in Mythic Fyrakk prison for 3 more weeks
hushed cypress
Annyone knows @ what point you should stop getting haste as protection?
i am on 43% now worth it to go higher?
plush tendon
7100
uneven mason
i am on 43% now worth it to go higher?
opaque quest
Shoulderless Sounds like a disease
uneven mason
tribal wharf
it really is
median tulip
Fucking entangling made me accidentally reset stacks on the wickerman
Worst. Affix. Ever.
warm plinth
Oops
tribal wharf
waycrest?
torn gulch
yes
tribal wharf
you mean like the tree boss?
torn gulch
yes
tribal wharf
and entangling made them put it in the fire?
torn gulch
it's a goliath though
yes zeta had to move to get out of it
and fire was very close i guess
opaque quest
Yogi are you good today?
tribal wharf
opaque quest
tribal wharf
maybe it was some ninja boss mechanics
pallid quiver
have you tried telling your healers to dispell you
That's my kneejerk since you're good, so it's obviously their fault.
chrome falcon
idk it's a skill issue
opaque quest
Isnt it always?
blazing condor
whats hurtin the most
urban portal
yogi being sexist or what
tribal wharf
it they use that, i wont have to mark them with a star to know where they are at all ti mes
tribal wharf
i dunno, there is alot of video games that you get a heart and it heals you
toxic pewter
ill be ur healer yogi ;D
tribal wharf
aint that the new 2h trader
toxic pewter
yes
tribal wharf
pretty sure no healer use 2h sword
toxic pewter
i actually like it lol
i know i was making a joke thats my warr
warr that runs on love is most power full warr in world
blazing condor
hugalon the heart watcher
tribal wharf
im still pretending to be a UDK with a shield and 1h
i am immensely to dumb to understand how to play that spec right, or at all
opaque quest
pretty sure no healer use 2h sword
Ive been using a crafted 2hand on my pala so i can mog mage tower ashbringer as holy
fk armor
tribal wharf
i thought it was the lock with the pet that uses axes
opaque quest
i am immensely to dumb to understand how to play that spec right, or at all
Unholy is easy. Burn your CDs. Then just apply wounds, burst them, apply more wounds. Burst them too. Dont cap RP and spend it on coil
urban portal
paladins can use 2hers
while healing
its not optimal because they cant use their main damage abilities
opaque quest
Ye its rip SotR
plush tendon
ill be ur healer yogi ;D
actually looks pretty dapper
and that sword is lowkey pretty fire
toxic pewter
thank you the new shoulder cape they added is great
blazing condor
certified lover boy
chrome falcon
whats hurtin the most
all of it
tanking melee swings while i have 2 stacks of debuff
because i have to position boss because i have bdk cotank
lusty tiger
takes over shoulder slot and i have the backpiece bow too
Looking dope
pallid quiver
tell your cotank to work on his physical therapy so he can learn to walk again
chrome falcon
when the boss does dream rend in the middle of the fire
i taunt it off to reposition him asap
plush tendon
how many priests you have?
chrome falcon
but i have 2 stacks at that point so every melee swing is doing, like, 600k damage
two but they're not in grip range because the further away they are the easier it is for them to heal
pallid quiver
iirc, and not sure if it applies to your specific issue, but spell block should help smooth out the damage more than shield wall on average, since the extra cleave from mark can be spellblocked
plush tendon
kind of sus; I just get gripped on my DK
blazing condor
check out Sense's POV and see how he handles it
pallid quiver
So spellblock can help smooth out if you're gonna have to take him for an extended period of time with debuffs
plush tendon
not like p1 dam matters
median tulip
and fire was very close i guess
Actually the lightning swirly spawned under it as I was slowed and moving. And leap was on cooldown still. Thankfully it was only on 15 stacks so it didn't actually kill anyone.
Just that was like the first time I've actually reset that boss in months
tribal wharf
ir almost want that heart shield
hardy snow
but i have 2 stacks at that point so every melee swing is doing, like, 600k dama...
but why you take melee hits when you already have 2 stacks? why 2nd tank dont take boss then?
pallid quiver
but why you take melee hits when you already have 2 stacks? why 2nd tank dont ta...
It sounds like he keeps boss to maneuver for the dream rend with their current strat
It feels more like the strat's the i-
That should fix it
lusty tiger
Gzgz
strong forum
ill be ur healer yogi ;D
you stole my mog
toxic pewter
LOL i swear I didn’t even see it
But you pull it off better
That’s one handsome fellow
strong forum
toxic pewter
Blizz needs to add more cool shoulder transmogs like this cape
strong forum
yes
toxic pewter
I’m a big fan of shouldermogs
fresh granite
I got this cloak out of my vault, does it matter much if I craft my second embellishment on my boots for example?
strong forum
I’m a big fan of shouldermogs
cant wait for tattered black version of it
fresh granite
or should I stick to crafting a cloak
strong forum
I got this cloak out of my vault, does it matter much if I craft my second embel...
nah doesnt matter much to craft on boots
fresh granite
awesome ty
plush tendon
the cloaks are great
toxic pewter
Im hoping the anduin shoulder cape thing he’s wearing in cinematic will come to game. Just hope they can pull it off well and look good
toxic pewter
The back you just get the heart bow ❤️
toxic pewter
Lmao I didn’t either now that you mention it
Kinda wish I could use offhand transmogs
When wearing shield
Guess it wouldn’t make sense
plush tendon
Nom about to take his lady to a fancy dinner dressed all dapper
blazing condor
wheres that belt and stuff from again
west jacinth
blazing condor
I'VE NEVER BEEN SO PRETTY
echo egret
Demo Shout, Spell Reflect and ?
echo egret
SW 1, SPBlock 2, SW 3, LS 4 ?
jagged pier
Brah it takes like 30mins
hazy bronze
It's easy this month
strong forum
i didnt bother
strong forum
i bought the 30€ pack instead
jagged pier
Of course did first day not log in for another month
strong forum
ill complete the post eventually
hushed cypress
anny suggestions on spec as prot this week? i see so manny dif ones 🙂
25+ keys that is
like disrupting shout yes or no this week seems not very usefull but mabey somebody knows:)
pallid quiver
how many of those don't take shield charge
pallid quiver
By and large, our spec doesn't change particularly much in terms of what affixes there are
hushed cypress
true.
grim pilot
Disrupting shout is v good in rise and eb
Brh, not so much
First pack is bl anyway
So itll die in no time
hushed cypress
true on that yeap.
hushed cypress
what do you drop than show the force?
grim pilot
The battering ram or w.e shield charge left talent is
You shouldnt run sof anyway
Drop your talents here
hushed cypress
BkEAfuKaizEAgP2qANDB2hmf7LIBAAAASSCJJIlkSSSaFEBCFJSUSSACkE0QSCCQkAAAAAAAARAApoBAC
that should be the loadout ingame
hushed cypress
cuwl
grim pilot
Enduring alacrity
is what you should drop for disrupting shout
and you should be running with thunderlord instead of show of force
in dungeons where you dont need disrupting shout, take that talent point and put it into battering ram
so generally get rid of that talent
hushed cypress
ok going fot that than thx for the tip
red otter
Will the "A look back at protection warrior" wowhead article come back?
I never got to read it before it had been removed.
strong forum
Will the "A look back at protection warrior" wowhead article come back?
not anytime soon afaik
toxic pewter
When next season start
blazing condor
spring sometime
toxic pewter
Yeah like wtf is up with that. I feel like last season I was already pugging mythic by now
toxic pewter
Just awful they didn’t remove that crap anyway
I get it’s going away in war within
But should’ve just removed it this patch
blazing condor
all the cross faction stuff is hella scuffed
tribal wharf
im not sure about new expansion but im sure it will be okay
just dont make panda and sl
game saved
i don't think there will be anyone pining for shadowlands classic in 15 years
tribal wharf
i dunno, that to me is when we saw the most anger and ppl leaving the game
thats when i left for first time
toxic pewter
Hmmm
tribal wharf
its..... shadow lands in an alterinative universe, would have been amazing, few changes, few fixes. more crap in maw from start
warm plinth
MoP isn't even in my top 3 for expansions personally.
blazing condor
i didnt play that hardcore in mop, got a few curves in the beginning
but what i loved the most
was the continent and just doing shit in the open world
isle of thunder / timless isle was dope
i would run around getting the achievement for killing every rare
dailes were kinda dog but also didnt mind
does this mean the two ads that spawn will already have aggro on tank? or what
tribal wharf
unrelated but if you start the lady/lord fight in wcm by taunting lady, you don't have to spend like, 3 globals trying to get pre-spawn in spamming heroic throw or some shit, and its just attack lord
have seen many things NOT be taunted to be, and then, healer is dead
that happened at least twice run i just did
nah sorry it was a boss even
warm plinth
does this mean the two ads that spawn will already have aggro on tank? or what
Prior to this hotfix, you could skip Lady Velendras by taunting the mob farthest away and insta-kicking the caster.
It would aggro the non-miniboss mobs and leave her there.
pallid quiver
I hope the people who invite you just to kick you get shit on by dumpster raccoons
warm plinth
I hope the people who invite you just to kick you get shit on by dumpster raccoo...
People do that? lol
pallid quiver
Yes.
warm plinth
but...why
pallid quiver
There's a few reasons, like ones where they're trying to get back at people, since it removes you from all other queues
This last guy has done it to me because I'm words I can't use without automod getting mad and stupid for trying to apply to heroic raid at 471 ilvl
like boss just decline me, don't be a dredge of society
warm plinth
How petty can you be lol
pallid quiver
Extremely
blazing condor
Happens sometimes
From what ive heard its either invite misclick or someone in the team going ”no dont take him”
Or it can be something like ”my guildie just came on take him instead”
jagged gust
strong forum
Lmao
pallid quiver
It’s not always personal
it's personal after it happens 4 times and they whisper you why
lone eagle
@shut summit lmao that uhhh... meme video you uploaded 3 days ago
has me fucking dying
Thank you for the quality
shut summit
sage gull
yo guys does fueled by violence give us the extra healing when our tierset consumes deepwounds from target, or does it skip that
grizzled nova
yo guys does fueled by violence give us the extra healing when our tierset consu...
You don't get any healing from fervid consuming deep wounds, no.
sage gull
does that just make brutal vitality undisputably better in all scenarios bc it interacts with our tierset?
lilac bloom
i was doing laroda heroic.. when he does the charge.. midway during the cast the other tank is suppose to taunt the boss so the current tank doesnt get meleed. But twice now that people want the current tank . me to take the melee hit.. and run back to the group.. but i only have 1 leap thats it
lilac bloom
ya but they end up saying i should use ip def etc for the melee hit
like wat the in world are they thhinking to take the hit.. i know demonhunter and monk can survive the melee.. not me
winged slate
You take extra damage for no reason, melee have worse uptime
You can survive it, there's just no reason for it
lilac bloom
exactly.. just ppl have strange thinking
i can survie for a few seconds without the tuant then after that.. i get smacked dead
while the other tank just stands there and do nothing
hardy ridge
Taunt during cast or bad
sage gull
is there certain dungeons where you block more with less spells that tough as nails would be good for
jagged pier
u would use another point in bloodbounre in dungeons that u dont need spell block for
sage gull
what does that mean
u saying that tough as nails does less dmg than one point in bloodbourne so ud take that instead?
jagged pier
ye
jagged pier
you can run tough as nails if u want, it really wont change much at all tbh
chilly brook
exactly.. just ppl have strange thinking
He can literally taunt during the cast, there’s no downside
blazing condor
Yeah its not too nice taking the charge damage, having to get back from flames, and also taking melee with 10 stacks
worthy pecan
why is prot warr ranked so low?
seems to take the least amount of damage from all other tanks, never really needs to be healed
toxic pewter
I am the top ranked tank
worthy pecan
lol
toxic pewter
those tier list websites are effectively popularity contests just play what you find most fun
worthy pecan
not really using a tier website
i understand vengeance DH because most dps groups are casters
but prot pala is so squishy, duno why warrior is shunned
jhust looking at raider io top
sullen gust
but prot pala is so squishy, duno why warrior is shunned
Probably because the two tanks you mentioned have a massive ammount of value in terms of group utility. Warrior has very little, probably the least group utility out of the tanks. So people try to play with the classes that make the game easier for them and invite the classes that will do so. The side effect being that warrior ends up towards the bottom in terms of group value and is hence ranked lower. That being said the class feels really good to play and can live most things so play it because it's an absolute vibe (that tier lists will not account for)
waxen frigate
but prot pala is so squishy, duno why warrior is shunned
Pala notably also deals with casters insanely well. And it’s not squishy if you don’t suck at it
(Fotm players generally suck at everything)
toxic pewter
prot pala has literally one of the most imbalanced talents in the game (45 second cd pseudo cheat death) that actually works well (unlike BSV)
waxen frigate
Well and their actual cheat death (slightly over 1min CD)
And their immunity
And their lay on hands
toxic pewter
vdh double sigils already gone down as one of the most imbalanced talent implementations in wow history.. hopefully can be corrected in the future but not sure it will be
opaque quest
A tank gets reworked
Thats what i said yesterday. Every rework became meta kek
toxic pewter
Yeah but this double sigil nonsense is objectively imbalanced like one of the most insane changes i have seen in 2 decades
waxen frigate
Too bad I feel like vdh will never be truly fun for me with souls functioning as they do
toxic pewter
any vdh with any semblance of dignity will fully admit it also
that is simply imbalanced and overpowered
and oppressive even for them, a lot of vdh dont like it
having to sigil every other gcd or some crap
waxen frigate
I liked s2 playstyle a lot more
Granted the s2 tier set was also beyond giga broken
It’s just that the spec itself was dogshit so it balanced out to simply “really good”
toxic pewter
i think they need to roll it back
I would say the same thing if it was prot warr
i am very objective individual
opaque quest
Imagine if we had to press demo shout every second GCD
I would hate that so much i would probably reroll
toxic pewter
yeah even now I thought at first it was overpowered and imbalanced but its actually more of a hinderance and annoyance being a sigil bot
median tulip
I just want PROTECTION Warrior to actually be able to protect people
Bring back Safeguard
Make Intervene work on spellcasts
Make Bodyguard a PvE talent
Make Morale Killer a PvE talent
toxic pewter
sounds good to me
warm plinth
Morale killer as a pve talent would literally be the most overpowered shit ever.
toxic gyro
I mean it could have reduced value in pve. Vdh like 7 aoe stops is op too and it’s there. Pally’s Avenger shield is op too and it’s there.
opaque quest
This?
toxic gyro
Might as well give warrior something strong
opaque quest
Its way to broken
Imagine hitting a raid boss right before raid wide aoe with demo shout lmfao
Especially on a 20 second CD
opaque quest
Maybe if they remove the 15 sec CD too
toxic gyro
I mean devo aura is permanent 3%?
opaque quest
Who cares about perma 3% when you can have 150000% when it matters the most
toxic gyro
I feel like 5 and 10 would be fair
warm plinth
Who cares about perma 3% when you can have 150000% when it matters the most
This
Besides demo would be basically permanent anywah
Anyway*
toxic gyro
They could replace thunderlord talent with it and it wouldn’t be permanent
warm plinth
Safeguard and bodyguard are both good options to bring back/bring to pve imo. Morale killer isn't
Bodyguard would need some tweaking ofc but it would be good
Intervene working to intercept magic as well would be cool since it really makes no sense that it doesn't. Being able to reflect off it might be pushing it though.
And we couldn't get all of those things or it would be too much.
warm plinth
It's basically a physical only blessing of sacrifice. And when the target gets hit, you have a chance to reset shield slam
warm plinth
It would need the duration and cd changed for pve because in pvp it's 100% uptime as long as they stay within 20 yards
toxic pewter
the yard thing is kinda annoying
toxic pewter
yeah true
warm plinth
Bodyguard would be more convenient than intervene though because it doesn't make you charge to the person. You just cast it on them.
plush tendon
Morale Killer is cool... but 20% DR on Demo shout use is crazy strong (even more so then other things tbh)
but I like Bodyguard and any sort of intervene sort of externals that prot war could give to party members
I think its a good niche as a 'mitigation and protection tank'
but devs just need to follow the blueprint they laid out with VDH and Prot Pal; they are prime examples of how tanks should be designed moving forward.
opaque quest
Since the ex CoD boss is now the blizz boss Warr will get an M4 and i aint mad
plush tendon
ngl... I kind of want a shotgun spec in wow XD
toxic pewter
smh
soon enough people gonna look back on the bobby years and wish he would come back
toxic pewter
im serious
toxic pewter
this new 'president' about to ram down such horrors people will be begging for the old days
already has begun
tribal wharf
i mean i dunno we gunna see i guess
toxic pewter
just watch
tribal wharf
it would have be something immensly stupid to get me mad about it
opaque quest
I really dont care tbh. I just dont play their games. No idea why people think thats not an option
tribal wharf
like, they lock your bank tab at the start of the xpansion unless you pay 1 million gold
opaque quest
If you dont like a product just dont buy it lmao
toxic pewter
next expansions lasting 1.5 years is the biggest one already i am not a fan of, next will be xpacs that last 1 year. soon xpacs will be a thing of the past altogether, just a continual patch cadence where nothing matters (nothing matters in most wow content) which u gotta pay for
tribal wharf
you cant take any shit out of your bank or put in until you pay 1 million gold or get 5 exalteds
that's the type of thing it would take to get me fired up
opaque quest
next expansions lasting 1.5 years is the biggest one already i am not a fan of, ...
No. Xpacs make money. Thats why every publisher is against delaying them so much
Xpacs bring back people and therefore money
plush tendon
it prob wont be in game stuff; but maybe changing the price of the sub
adding things to store
locking seasons behind battlepasses?
opaque quest
They just want to increase the xpac cadence to make 60 bucks every 1.5 years and not 2
toxic pewter
No. Xpacs make money. Thats why every publisher is against delaying them so much
right, they want to push them out as fast as possible with lesser quality just to make $$$
and its only going to get quicker
soon will be 1 year cadence
and cost more
plush tendon
Im curious; has the price of a wow sub changed at all over the years?
toxic pewter
eventually will just be patches that u have to pay for
tribal wharf
i mean, i dunno, even asmobald is getting truly bored with it
toxic pewter
Im curious; has the price of a wow sub changed at all over the years?
yeah for certain currencies, but not in US
opaque quest
and cost more
YES SIR
toxic pewter
basically we have entered the true era of shrinkflation
it used to be like they tried to hide it
but now they have fully went all in
and its vile
tribal wharf
well, from 2004 till 2017 or so my currency was pretty close to par
opaque quest
I was never a fan of indie games cause it hought AAA = good but now that i dont play wow or destiny 2 anymore i basically only play Indies and they are so so so good
And old AAA games. I finally bought metro for 10 bucks and still feel like i got ripped off
tribal wharf
and i couldnt use my bank card to pay so i had to go to walmart get the 2 months get the code type the code in and it was 30$ at walmart for 2 months + tax, so it was pretty close to us price
i'lll disagree and say i enjoy games where you turn it on and it has some strange name and everything looks weird stories a bit off, hard to tell what your gunna experience those games
opaque quest
Yogi my main i think you started your story somewhere in the middle again
lusty tiger
https://tenor.com/view/psyduck-gif-21760865
Your brain on Yogi
opaque quest
tribal wharf
my last message is a reply to roach
and is why i enjoy indie games by 1 guy that took 13 weeks, and it costs 2 dollars
and then you turn it on and wtf is this shit
li ke, tell me the worst possible game you ever played and it could be doom sure, there are terrible ports of doom on like, 3do and sega jaguar consoles, and then i'd tell you i probably know of a worst game lol
lusty tiger
Instagram
tribal wharf
you guys dont play other games or retro games as well?
tribal wharf
i like to have a bit of variety of games
lusty tiger
Same
tribal wharf
single player games with complete game overs are fun too
lusty tiger
Unfortunately they’re all blizzard games or RuneScape
tribal wharf
problem with wow is you can never die for any reason
median tulip
problem with wow is you can never die for any reason
Go play Hardcore
tribal wharf
meta and phsyical meaning of that phrase
soon as ppl start dying in raid is when it all starts to unravel
pallid quiver
It would need the duration and cd changed for pve because in pvp it's 100% uptim...
I'm mega late, but no, keep it perma, it'd be funny
tribal wharf
cant think of beter way to put it
median tulip
I'm mega late, but no, keep it perma, it'd be funny
I did mostly mean the effect, not the cooldown reduction. My point is that Protection Warrior should have some abilities that allow us to actually protect other people.
pallid quiver
He was talking about bodyguard being permanent
since they just need to be in range
perma-babysit mode is funny, tho, give it
median tulip
Any form of external would be a good addition. Even Safeguard is nota big ask.
Make Intervene useful again.
wild jasper
Make Intervene useful again.
This! Intervene is just fun. Reprisal was a bit much - but as a form of Protection for your grp it would likely feel fun to press
waxen frigate
you guys dont play other games or retro games as well?
I played a single player RTS for the past week (beat the campaign last night)
opaque quest
I enjoyed roboquest the last week
Hella fun
But also Hi-Fi rush 1 year anniversary
uneven mason
you guys dont play other games or retro games as well?
Grabbed the c&c collection the other day, been hell marching it up
uneven mason
But also Hi-Fi rush 1 year anniversary
Been thinking about picking it up, loved JSR back on the Dreamcast
opaque quest
Rush was my GOTY 2023
And probably my favorite game in the last 5 years
Oh btw its on gamepass. Just play it there
tribal wharf
Grabbed the c&c collection the other day, been hell marching it up
not sure which one you mean there is a legacy collection with 17 games all the old one and a newer one of remaster of cncgold/cncRA+expansions+remaster stuff
both are good anyways
protip, dont mass human army
weak to fire, prone to self exploding grenade/rockets (depends faction), weak to they can be ran over by heavy class vehicles (so not a jeep, but an APC or tank)
also in the cncgold (set in future, gdi and nod) weak the the currency spawn you have to farm
pallid quiver
Been thinking about picking it up, loved JSR back on the Dreamcast
Hi-Fi Rush is not the Jet Set Radio one; that's a rhythm based character action game; think like Devil May Cry and the like.
You might be thinking of Bomb Rush Cyberfunk, which is a very good game and Jet Set Radio inspired
more Jet Set Radio Future than JSR, tho
steep vessel
Some one have good beginner build for first time prot warrior
And what race should I go
Human or night elf ?
solemn current
The build in the pins is the go to. If your haste is low or you just need time to adjust to shield block uptime you can swap out into the fray with heavy repercussions to make the uptime easier. Would recommend swapping back when you get some haste and can keep shield block up without it.
jagged pier
Human or night elf ?
race dont matter pick which ever one u like the most
plush tendon
Human or night elf ?
well humans look great in pretty much every TMOG and a nice 10% rep bonus
steep vessel
Can you quest in prot or nah
plush tendon
though they have this weird open stance with sword and board
and when using a 2h, their hands clip
plush tendon
Can you quest in prot or nah
you can quest in any spec you want; dps, tank, healer
strong forum
i dont like humans cuz theyre generic
thick cairn
Unless you're trying to min/max and play at the highest levels of m+ and raid (even then it's debatable), racials don't matter, and just play what you like. I personally play Human because mogs and mounts seem to fit them best
plush tendon
Dwarf is also a cool option
my war is currently a Dwarf
though the aesthetic is not for everyone
uneven mason
Can you quest in prot or nah
Prot best quest spec
plush tendon
but honestly, I'm just so vanilla that I just go with the super basic fantasy races of Human, Dwarf, Elf for my toons
uneven mason
Prog guilds do be trolling for that last hof slot
mystic radish
Tried rolling on tank gear from fury. Is crafting a shield a good choice? Or doesnt it really matter?
dusky canopy
1 slot left right?
uneven mason
Ya it's 199
plush tendon
Tried rolling on tank gear from fury. Is crafting a shield a good choice? Or doe...
you can.... but also we at 200 Fyakk Mythic kills
Mythic cross realm might open next reset
and Gnarlroot got a nice shield
plush tendon
but if you pushing IO this week; no reason not to send on a shield for now
uneven mason
Tried rolling on tank gear from fury. Is crafting a shield a good choice? Or doe...
3 ilvl not worth when the shield is in theory easy to get
mystic radish
okay ty 🙂
uneven mason
Mythic gnarl is a joke
mystic radish
But sadly we are not going for reclears because we are shit and need the whole raid day for Smold :p
uneven mason
Big oof
plush tendon
uneven mason
Being locked into the clear
dusky canopy
We’re locked into the clear also
uneven mason
Avoids the split run alt save shenanigans
plush tendon
yea, you close
uneven mason
Or selling saves to the final boss "kinda"
plush tendon
you basically get through that inverse seed set
and the boss is going to go from 28% to close to dead
uneven mason
Tindral PB is 28%
Then it's on to 300pulls in p1 fryak
dusky canopy
My body’s ready
plush tendon
eh, not that many
dusky canopy
plush tendon
prob >100
uneven mason
eh, not that many
Shh
plush tendon
P1 Fyrakk once people understand the drops
and healers get accustomed to the dispel and move
aint bad
intermission also much easier with the weakaura garbage
honestly, pre nerf TSwift p1 was harder then Fyrakk p1
dusky canopy
Think we had roughly 100 pulls p1 pre nerf
We hit p2 the night of the nerf.. naturally lol
Tbf a lot of that was back to back wipes at the 50 second mechanics
plush tendon
pretty much
pull count for TSwift inflated
cause of P1
rinse repeat wipe
80 wipes a night
uneven mason
Lots of just instant wipes
fathom idol
Hello everyone, I was tanking an M+ 20 Dark. When I got to the giant tree boss the grasping thing that he did was practically one-shooting me. I used the bubble from the trinket in the latest raid. I used defensive as well but I admit they prob were used the most optimally. I was able to get through about three of the grabs. The key. Broke and the healer blamed for being an awful tank. I don't mind people calling me awful but it would be helpful if they at least stated the reasons why I was. The healer left the group without an explanation. Are there any tips or suggestions that make that fight easier for prot warriors?? I looked up a whole bunch of videos on YouTube but no one really has any insight. Is prot just weaker in that fight and people are used to pallys bubble?
jagged pier
no the grip should be fine,
u should leap breath so it does no damage
then u have SW
SR
demo
IP etc for the grip
dont be baited by your frames, when he picks u up it replaces your hp bar with the bosses for some reason
fathom idol
Just leap to the edges of the room for breath?
jagged pier
pretty much yer
uneven mason
dont be baited by your frames, when he picks u up it replaces your hp bar with...
"vehicle"
He's taking you for a ride
jagged pier
more like shoves his fingers in your ass
fathom idol
Is the grasp a dot or does all the damage hit you when you hit the floor? It was hard for me to tell
jagged pier
nah its just nature damage
uneven mason
It's nature and a dot
jagged pier
and it ticks
fathom idol
IP? Sorry
plush tendon
ignore pain
fathom idol
Oohhb duhh lol
uneven mason
Just keep your rotation going and pump rage into IP
plush tendon
grips happen in 30 second intervals
uneven mason
Yeah those breaths fuck you up
plush tendon
not only that, but not having to use CDs to live breath means you have more CDs for grip
uneven mason
Puts you on the back foot for the grip damage
plush tendon
like D Stance+Spell Reflect+SW would be 80% DR!
plus your IPs
plus a impending victory
uneven mason
Neither by itself is that scary, but it's a one two punch
toxic gyro
Don’t forget to run cd reduction talent for leap, and breath is only like 15-20 yards so don’t worry about leaping as far as possible
fathom idol
Maybe he was calling me bad for not leaping away but if he would have gave me that tip i would have appreciated it. Not sure why people have to be mean
plush tendon
Maybe he was calling me bad for not leaping away but if he would have gave me th...
people are assholes especially in 20s
toxic gyro
As ppl above said, leaping breaths save you all defensives for grab, it’s very important.
plush tendon
pay it no mind
fathom idol
Thanks everyone for the input. I will definitely use those tips moving forward
uneven mason
Chances are he was a window licker and got baited by the frame shift when you're gripped, thought he couldn't heal you
I had that
plush tendon
I have a 28 DHT to do tonight
uneven mason
"lol shit war takes so much damage I couldn't get you above 15%"
plush tendon
a little nervous on the VDH though... no rageheart as a defensive 😦
uneven mason
Yeah bruh, that's the boss
fathom idol
Is it worth taking bitter immunity for the spiders in BRH
uneven mason
a little nervous on the VDH though... no rageheart as a defensive 😦
Vdh just gives me heart attacks
plush tendon
Vdh just gives me heart attacks
on the sets I have Fiery Brand and Fel Dev
we chill
on the sets its just Fel Dev
uneven mason
Is it worth taking bitter immunity for the spiders in BRH
If you have a shit healer
uneven mason
Ha
fathom idol
Not sure what talent i would swap for it?
uneven mason
At least going from bdk you are adjusted to the yoyo
uneven mason
Not sure what talent i would swap for it?
Not sure what talents you're using
toxic gyro
Is it worth taking bitter immunity for the spiders in BRH
If you have rage heart or any shielding in group, pop it or ask for it before you engage them and you won’t get debuff for as long as you have a shield rolling. Don’t forget to use defensives too.
plush tendon
At least going from bdk you are adjusted to the yoyo
although they are both sustained tanks, they play pretty different NGL
like VDH you want to stack up Frality
BDK its just... death strike
uneven mason
They do, but the health go down, health go up style is similar
plush tendon
plus Blood has more defensive CDs
uneven mason
I'm used to bear and war
Our hp don't move
If I'm at 50% I panic cause it means I missed a mechanic and shit the bed
If I'm at 50% on the bdk it just means I need to press death strike
plush tendon
VDH plays a lot more like a mitigation tank then Blood
uneven mason
It's closer to a sustain tank than the mitigation tanks
plush tendon
at least for boss encounters
uncut dome
How is prot doing this tier btw?
jagged pier
fine
uneven mason
Prot
uneven mason
Just poking at your typos
tribal wharf
at least its not yogi randomly getting called sexist this time
jagged pier
opaque quest
plush tendon
How is prot doing this tier btw?
Prot is a little stale right now imo; not a bad tank, but it hasnt really changed since S1
if you just picking it up though, can be a blast
uncut dome
Aaaah Got it
Last i played was necrolord banner prot
That was gucking amazing
Fucking
opaque quest
Thats what we all want back in addition to MoP Banners dw
jagged pier
i dont want banner back thnks
too many ppl couldnt play it
so in general the community thought we were in a were place than they think we are now
because bad prots would just go splat
opaque quest
Idc what the community thinks tbh i just wanna have fun playing
plush tendon
there was a lot more going on in SL for prot war
with managing Reprisal using Necro Banner
could be frustrating at times, but it was very engaging gameplay
opaque quest
I also want Legion S1 Unholy back with instructors even tho most unholies just sucked and missed 90% of wounds
uncut dome
It was really fucking funny to play
opaque quest
To be fair everything gets stale if you do it to much in life
jagged pier
true and i basically did do that in SLs
plush tendon
the only tank Ive never been bored with is BDK
but its also my one true love, so theres that
jagged pier
i cant even play bdk i hate it that much 
always have
I do always try
never gets past a key or 2
plush tendon
Ive been playing Blood since I first bought wow in cata; hit 55 on a mage, immediately made a DK and chose Blood to level in
because Veteran of the Third War sounded really cool XD
jagged pier
yah i didnt even like dk in wrath that much
even tho everyone was like OMG dk
i was like meh
lusty tiger
It was very very strong, but not that fun to play
plush tendon
literally saw that and Im like 'yo that sounds pog!'
gives like 9% stam or something stupid XD
jagged pier
for alot of ppl strong == fun
lusty tiger
Yea it is on a spectrum like, slightly less fun but extremely stronger can be fun enough
Sometimes not though
plush tendon
DK caught my eye cause back then, DK was the only class on the starting screen that had good TMOG
everyone else was wearing starter rags
lusty tiger
Hah right
warm plinth
The old rune system was trash in my opinion
lusty tiger
They looked epic
plush tendon
and DK was rocking the blue plate from their leveling
lusty tiger
Yea the old rune system was terrible
Glorified rogue
I’m really excited for cata tbh
I’m very curious what the tanking/healing situation was like
jagged pier
if not i wont play cant play retail and be in a cata guild
lusty tiger
if they fix 10 man
What do ya mean (never played endgame and was a little kid)
lusty tiger
Oooh wtf
jagged pier
just not hp
lusty tiger
XD
plush tendon
yea... im not touching cata
lusty tiger
The addition of mastery to me seems genius from a player power perspective
plush tendon
might level if really bored
jagged pier
quickest lvling on new expansion
plush tendon
but SoD has been hitting my classic itch from time to time
lusty tiger
I think SoD is very clever
uneven mason
so in general the community thought we were in a were place than they think we a...
Remember when 
rolled into the MDI on pwar and it broke the casters
lusty tiger
just dont like classic andies being classic andies
XDDDD
warm plinth
The addition of mastery to me seems genius from a player power perspective
Too bad it ended up lame as fuck for the most part
uneven mason
Too bad it ended up lame as fuck for the most part
Arms warrior mastery
Multi strike
warm plinth
There's only like what, 3 specs that actually notice it
lusty tiger
Coming from the previous 3 expansions I think it’s pretty dope
warm plinth
Gameplay wise
uneven mason
At the same time they added multi strike
plush tendon
Arms warrior mastery should be weapon damage and increased shoulder size
lusty tiger
INCREASED SHOULDER SIZE
lusty tiger
Windwalker, wasn’t in cata
uneven mason
Right
lusty tiger
O:
warm plinth
Just mastery in general
warm plinth
I segued into my own monologue. Don't mind me.
lusty tiger
Mastery now is pretty uninteresting yeah
uneven mason
I think that's my major issue with classic
Haste won't affect warriors until warlords
plush tendon
there isnt much haste in classic anyways
restive scroll
Idk, BC was okay to play, but classic was difficult due to the lack of aoe
uneven mason
Even cata
lusty tiger
Yeah and arpen is incredibly boring
restive scroll
in def stance
uneven mason
Like it's crit to the sky
uneven mason
Yeah and arpen is incredibly boring
Arp was a massive mistake
lusty tiger
Arp was a massive mistake
It’s very pen and paper dnd
plush tendon
Idk, BC was okay to play, but classic was difficult due to the lack of aoe
classic warrior aoe is fine.... if you were playing arms and WW as a tank with a 2h
restive scroll
I wasn't x)
uneven mason
Remember when arp was a flat value and armor could be negative
restive scroll
guess that was my mistake :D
plush tendon
SoD is trying to fix that
lusty tiger
Remember when arp was a flat value and armor could be negative <:xan:10941279797...
That’s only in vanilla right?
uneven mason
It was tbc
lusty tiger
Bosses can’t go negative
uneven mason
Hyjal gear had lots of arp on it
uneven mason
Cataclysm edge
lusty tiger
Unless there was a big arpen rework in original tbc
uneven mason
Bosses can’t go negative
But players could
uneven mason
Literally one shotting clothes in arena
With cataclysms edge and spamming hamstring
lusty tiger
XD
uneven mason
Because sword spec proceed from hamstring and hamstring was a non Dr root
uneven mason
Ret in cata, the notorious "to the ground baby"
uneven mason
At first
Then ghost crawler made that post
Because ret was doing 100% holy damage
NM that was wrath
Old man brain
lusty tiger
That’s pretty rude of ghostcrawler
uneven mason
Ikr
I might play cata classic just because if they go in with the final patch trees arms was just ridiculous in the dragon soul era
opaque quest
I got a world rank 1 in cata on either 2nd or third boss in HC. Normally melee didnt cleave boss tentacle but i was allowed to
lusty tiger
I want a:
- Holy paladin
- Prot warrior
opaque quest
But also Stance Dancing in DS was so easy but felt satisfying
uneven mason
Early cata was also fun for prot until they nerfed the roll system
lusty tiger
Roll?
uneven mason
Combat table
lusty tiger
Oh like avoidance stuff?
uneven mason
Original system was a single roll,
opaque quest
I want the Cata System back where we get new dungeons giving higher ilvl too
Instead of just buffing old dungeons
More dungeons = more better
uneven mason
Yeah prot warriors could push everything but miss and block off the table
Overflow for block turned into critical block
opaque quest
104% of block/parry/avoidance was boring tho
uneven mason
I want the Cata System back where we get new dungeons giving higher ilvl too
Roti?
uneven mason
104% of block/parry/avoidance was boring tho
That was tbc
opaque quest
No that was cata too
uneven mason
I mean yes, but you had the fun of making everything a critical block
lusty tiger
Oh I see
uneven mason
Needed it in friggin heroic bwd
lusty tiger
So you would go 0 pure avoidance
opaque quest
Aye
lusty tiger
So you could block everything
opaque quest
With 104% it was mathematically impossible to not either block parry or avoid
lusty tiger
And the boss could miss too
opaque quest
You couldnt take a full hit. Was fun but hella boring since you just reforged with an addon
uneven mason
NGL when they changed the combat table it was really rough as a pwar
lusty tiger
What was the point of that? Just always being full rage?
uneven mason
Shit hurt
And tanks couldn't self sustain
We were just blocks of meat that healers had to maintain
opaque quest
What was the point of that? Just always being full rage?
No you still used shield block but back then shield block gave 50% block chance iirc
uneven mason
So mitigation was key
opaque quest
We also had heroic strike
uneven mason
No you still used shield block but back then shield block gave 50% block chance ...
Which would overflow for critical block
lusty tiger
So mitigation was key
But what about like dodge and parry
opaque quest
Which would overflow for critical block
yes sir
uneven mason
Yeah you had that
lusty tiger
What does overflow mean in this scenario
winged slate
Reforging was such a nightmare though
opaque quest
Reforging was a button press with addon though
violet ginkgo
I just think some classes mastery like prot war could use a bit of tweak? I mean look at us among 4 stat we don't even go mastery, mastery it's just the byproduct from the set piece.
opaque quest
You could go over 100% block chance. Everything over that would be crit
lusty tiger
Oh
winged slate
Needing an external addon to know how to do it almost certainly implies bad design
lusty tiger
Fucking sick
lusty tiger
And what was the change from single roll to the new one?
uneven mason
Avoidance and block have their own rolls
lusty tiger
Aww
uneven mason
First it sees if it hits you
If it does then it checks if it's a hit, block or critical block
lusty tiger
It works like that in retail now right?
uneven mason
Yeah
lusty tiger
Word
uneven mason
That's the system we have now
opaque quest
Im not sure it is. Remember that back then active mitigation was pretty mid
uneven mason
But yeah in the first tier warriors just went pure mastery
opaque quest
Compared to back then our mitigation these days would be called crazy
I dont think SotR for example even existed in cata
Neither did ignore pain
lusty tiger
Shield of the righteous?
winged slate
Wasn't (savage defense?) broken back then, just a huge amount of dodge or something?
opaque quest
Ye
lusty tiger
Sotr was in wrath
opaque quest
Aight. Misremembering then
uneven mason
It was substantial, that chimera in bwd went from being rough to one shot territory overnight with the change
opaque quest
God i hated chimaeron
jagged pier
XDDDD
like ppl trying to tell me classic is hard, and its hard to parse when its just get hit by mobs use pots and consumes and thats it because the game play it press QS to dip below 80 rage then go back up, is just bonkers they even try.
ill give respect to ppl in cata a litle bit cause thats when the game became 'harder' but in terms of todays standards still a bit of a joke
winged slate
Was chimeron the boss that always took you below 10k instead of oneshotting you?
Or was that Maloriak
opaque quest
Ye
lusty tiger
like ppl trying to tell me classic is hard, and its hard to parse when its just ...
Yea I’m hoping healing feels more rewarding in cata
winged slate
I remember enjoying that fight because holy shock healed for right around 10k
jagged pier
wasnt he the boss where u needed to mexican rune tap on bdk?
opaque quest
Na chimaeron
winged slate
Maloriak was the add fight
lusty tiger
Mexican rune tap
winged slate
I really fondly remember BWD but that was also my first raid so I'm biased
opaque quest
Was my first real raid too
Was out of school and had my own apartment
But i didnt get cutting edges until DS
uneven mason
Chimeron was the healing debuff who would thrash (double tap)
Increase damage taken
opaque quest
The one is remember the most was worm boi cause i got akirus the wormbreaker on first kill when i played UH there after the 25% str buff
uneven mason
Fuckin brutal in tanks
lusty tiger
Was the skill expression for tanks in cata just doing more dps like most of classic?
(Aside from pressing SW/tank trinket at the right times)
lusty tiger
True
jagged pier
i guess spine positioning 
winged slate
Once tanks can survive they can either sit around and be bored or they can try to do more dam
uneven mason
i guess spine positioning <:deadge:900279927138578432>
uneven mason
Remember assigning one hunter to aimed shot the tentacles on spine
To break grip
And somehow some fuckin warlock pet
opaque quest
i guess spine positioning <:deadge:900279927138578432>
I played BDK there and had to take the elemental so i didnt care lmao
Took realm first Spine and Madness on the biggest german alliance realm. Felt good
No achievement tho cause THEY DIDNT EXIST
opaque quest
Spine wasnt bad. We had a druid popping off tanking blood
We did Madness so early we couldnt even play it with double tank so i had to go frost and our shadow tanked second tentacle slam with dispersion lmao
Didnt meat the DPS check otherwise
winged slate
Wasn't madness basically just a victory lap?
opaque quest
No
uneven mason
Yeah
opaque quest
eh idk. Like i said we didnt have alot of problems with spine because our bear did work and we had 3 arcane mages to safely oneshot plates
If we messed up 1 shotting a plate we just wiped
lusty tiger
This somehow already sounds like more mechanics than all 3 other classic expansions combined
opaque quest
Ye but it wasnt to bad
jagged pier
yes
winged slate
Yeah, raiding gets more complicated as time goes on
jagged pier
This somehow already sounds like more mechanics than all 3 other classic expansi...
most dungeons had more mechanics than the last 3 expanisons bar LK, thats why ppl though cata was so hard
opaque quest
Spine was just rough in coordination because on top of infinite adds. Oneshotting a plate and keeping him level you ALSO had 2 debuffs one of which had to be dispelled at certain points while the other had to stay
lusty tiger
most dungeons had more mechanics than the last 3 expanisons bar LK, thats why pp...
Sounds fun
jagged pier
and most of the mechanics were stunnable or intturrptable but ppl didnt have them on bars as it wasnt need in pve until then
uneven mason
Spine had, uh
Bloods
Amalgamation
Grips
Flips/balance
Hp reduction
Plates being hard DPS checks
opaque quest
Grips = tentacle stun?
lusty tiger
and most of the mechanics were stunnable or intturrptable but ppl didnt have the...
If it doesn’t do damage I don’t press it
Jk
jagged pier
well it wasnt that, just wasnt needed in pve, like pvpers had all that stuff, but like u didnt need to do any of that in pve. like getting mages to dispell was hard enough, even when classic came back out
mages decurse
decurse
decurse
ppl dead
nice
opaque quest
Mages still dont decurse lmfao
lusty tiger
Yeah those darn baby blues
opaque quest
Look at incorp
uneven mason
most dungeons had more mechanics than the last 3 expanisons bar LK, thats why pp...
The raw mudflation in ICC and availability of real gear for anyone who had time to grind lead to the average player getting used to ae pulling entire dungeons, nevermind that wotlk opened with the easiest raid of all time
Cata comes and no one remembers what raiding in blues felt like
Cleared naxx in t6
winged slate
I remember running shit like heroic grim batol, and just struggling because the bosses had real mechanics
uneven mason
Then bwd and bot just brought the pain
opaque quest
"cLaSsIc iS hArD"
jagged pier
true
opaque quest
Sinestra was crazy
uneven mason
I remember running shit like heroic grim batol, and just struggling because the ...
And DPS checks
lusty tiger
Dps checks in heroic?
opaque quest
Like i dont even know how to explain sinestra. She was brutal
steep vessel
Night elf or human for transmog
winged slate
Yeah heroic dungeons were fun as fuck
opaque quest
Night elf or human for transmog
Whatever you like more
uneven mason
Can't kill the 2 squids In time? You fucked
jagged pier
Dps checks in heroic?
for the average player. yes
lusty tiger
Did the heroic dungeons at least drop decent loot
winged slate
Gearing up fully in heroic dungeons was insanely fun
restive scroll
Like i dont even know how to explain sinestra. She was brutal
Remember the achievment? :D
lusty tiger
In phase 1
opaque quest
Remember the achievment? :D
yes
winged slate
It dropped the best loot in the game, 13 ilev lower than the new raid
It was uhhhh
343? 346?
opaque quest
Heroic dungeons back then felt harder than m+5 dungeons today tho. Remember when ZG came back
346
uneven mason
Those 346 blues felt good
lusty tiger
13 ilvl is a lot right?
opaque quest
Also token vendors ❤️
lusty tiger
Ok that’s cool
uneven mason
Heroic dungeons back then felt harder than m+5 dungeons today tho. Remember when...
Heroic zg in cata was baller
opaque quest
There was another thing besides valor. I dont remember what the name was. It was blue with a sword on i think
jagged pier
13 ilvl is a lot right?
yer even now 13 ilvls is fairly big
lusty tiger
Yeah true
cinder pasture
Might have a bit too much haste in fury......
winged slate
So everyone walked into the new raid in full blues, and you were pretty weak compared to those bosses. It was fun. Omnitron defense system was hype
winged slate
I played hunter, it was fun
jagged pier
i mean some of the bosses were dumb like the serpent, where u had hunters kiting the adds outside the room
opaque quest
Omnitron was the epitomy of THERE IS COLOR EVERYWHERE AND I CANT SEE
uneven mason
Gong boss
jagged pier
also back to 10 man omnitron like was unkillable unless u had a demo lock
winged slate
Idk I didn't think omnitron was too bad, though I just raided on normal