protection

[narrow jay]

And I don't even have an augary yet

[strong forum]

T31 profile is around 4k crit, 6k haste 1k mastery and 3k vers

[narrow jay]

My haste is right up there with my crit

[strong forum]

With crit flask

[narrow jay]

Hmmm kk I'll recraft a few items to haste vers instead of crit

[strong forum]

Just sim to be sure

[narrow jay]

Awesome thanks 🙂

[vocal nimbus]

Raidbots simulates with crit flask?

[strong forum]

By default, yes

You gotta manually select vers flask if you want to sim that one

It's simming with crit flask and haste+crit food by default

[uneven mason]

No such thing

[toxic pewter]

with that much crit prob feeling slow as hell

[grand veldt]

How much mastery do I need to get 50% chance for critical blocking

I wanna be able to not move Goliath on 30 tyran

[torn gulch]

kekw

[tribal wharf]

has the playerbase adapated fully to how to do sanguine yet

like they understand the danger and how to prevent it

not my favorite affix but i guess i gotta run it

[strong forum]

Uh 6k?

Smth like that maybe?

Maybe 7k

[grand veldt]

Ty

[tribal wharf]

looks likey they heavily nerfed duration of sanguine

doesnt seem to last nearly as long now, just a 15, but hey at leastam somewhat playin game

[winged slate]

Nah, blizzard actually buffed you, Yogi

You're just so strong now

[strong forum]

It's 20seconds

Since late s2

Or smth like that

It's "fairly" new that the pools also don't stack anymore

[warm plinth]

It was nerfed to 20 seconds, then to 12

[strong forum]

Ah

[warm plinth]

I think 20 was going into DF, then 12 at the start of S2

[steady canopy]

would you play 489 weapon or end boss proc in 483?

[orchid mural]

Ppl are silly.

[grizzled nova]

Once you have a 476 gholak the only upgrades are better gholaks.

[orchid mural]

+2 a 25 Fall - but since i didn't do their route, insta-removed from group

in a non-comms pug

gotta love ppl.

[grizzled nova]

'I'm not willing to work with you guys'

why was I removed?

[steady canopy]

thx

[orchid mural]

i did work with em, like we discussed

so i wasn't an ass about it, it's just entertaining is all.

i like to solo pull the lieutenants b4 second boss - did all that trash with 1 death but still wasn't fast enough lol

[weary forge]

how is prot rotatitonally

[tribal wharf]

completely finished on profession knowledge now

nered some recipes is about it

[narrow jay]

nah i got 7303 Haste and 6000 Crit i was 44% crit i was mistaken

[tribal wharf]

% doesnt really matter usually bc its like, alot of specs start with3% crit and 10% mastery of 1 could mean 400 stat or 1000, and its more about the rating numbert than the current %

[uneven mason]

Simple enough, SS>TC dump rage into IP at 70, keep SB up at all times, if SS and TC are both on CD press revenge to fish for a SS reset

[weary forge]

thats heaps and miles easier than brew lol

[weary forge]

is there a stance macro

!macro

!stance

[toxic gyro]

3rd pin from the top

[warm plinth]

Giving eyir too much credit. She sucks

[gilded tendon]

fuk u @warm plinth

[weary forge]

fuck you eyir

jeeves (the rogue bot) tops your ass

[warm plinth]

Jeeves is actually the most popular wow bot in the world. He's in like millions of servers

[weary forge]

fuck

[winged slate]

I'd watch a rogue top a warrior

Wait you meant is better than

[weary forge]

ya got one right here

[winged slate]

Nvm

[weary forge]

lmao

[violet flume]

if i want to maximize dps, is there ever a world where not using shieldslam and going raw thunderclap > revenge is bis when doing aoe damage? It's definitely more damage short term but you lose a lot of cd reduction on avatar, and now fervid bite..

[winged slate]

Revenge does like zero damage

It's laughable

Just ss more, bite more, reset tc more, reset dragon roar more

[violet flume]

yeah thats wht i thought its not worth

revenge is 75k on 5 targets, i forgot the math beyond more than that though

[winged slate]

Revenge barely procs bite

I basically only ever use it to fish for a SS reset when nothing else is up

[violet flume]

yea its pretty much the same for me

[weary forge]

do we just not use rend

at all

[hazy bronze]

Applied by thunder clap

[uneven trench]

Y'all run stamina gems or are we beefy enough without them?

[urban portal]

does any tank run stamina gems

[uneven trench]

idk i dont tank

[worthy karma]

no

side note so im using the macro for SS procs

#showtooltip Ignore Pain
/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam

Is there a way to make a similar macro for my normal shieldslam button for execute procs from sudden death?

[urban portal]

cant

people dont use sudden death really

but 2 abilities on the gcd cannot be macroed

[worthy karma]

people deff use SD its way more dam single target

[urban portal]

yeah i was thinking juggernaut for some reason

mb

but still you cant macro 2 abilities on the gcd together

[worthy karma]

yee fair

oh yea deff not juggernaugt

hey hey, new tech tho

ive done this:

#showtooltip Shield Block
/cast Shield Block
/cast Execute

will always prio SB over execute but will cast SB and execute with 1 click if i have SD proc or when below 20% if i have enough rage for both

and if i dont care about SB i can use my regular execute button to dump all rage into it

[urban portal]

yeah that works

[jagged pier]

but u dont want to send execute in execute phase that much

its a lower prio than IP as fevid procs more often on IP and does more damage than execute

your just wasting with it on 1 button

there literally no point in that macro

[urban portal]

May as well macro block to slam at that point

[desert token]

New update

We are now trash

The only tank in D

We are a garbage can

But not "garbage cannot"

They gave us a small buff

Protection
Vanguard now grants a 40% increase to Stamina (was 35%).
Ignore Pain absorption increased by 5%.

But what does it matter?

Not enough to climb out of D, apparently

Nothing matters in this life

It's all just an illusion

[analog raft]

We lack of utility

And damage

We are the only one tank with stance who give us damage reduction 🤣

[desert token]

Its insane dh wasnt nerfed

Both in pvp and pve

Its very clear blizz wants dh to be relly good

As he's one of the most beloved classes by the players

They want their popular classes to be happy

To keep the playerbase happy

[analog raft]

Warrior is popular class

[desert token]

2% play rate

[analog raft]

They just don't love us

[desert token]

Prot warrior

[analog raft]

Perhaps prot

But fury is one of the most played spec

[desert token]

They just need to add a permanent passive that allows us to block spells

[desert token]

Sadly it sucks ass in pvp

So i gotta play arms

[analog raft]

For me warrior need raid or group utility, like banner as MoP

And some cool spell like mass spell reflec

And give us something against affix on M + or to help our party 🤣

[oak wind]

qq: 476 Gholak or 483 Adulation Enforcer?

[blazing condor]

Gholak

[gloomy vortex]

anyone know if echo raid tools includes a tank/cotank wa for the raid?

[opaque quest]

Gholak tho

[teal swift]

Cringe website

[opaque quest]

Dont take the bait bebi. Its the second or third time he posted that same tier list and we told him its shit everytime

[teal swift]

ty for looking out my bro

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-gif-21978827

[teal swift]

https://tenor.com/view/excited-extra-gif-18168073

https://tenor.com/view/first-funny-willferrell-last-gif-5046811

first one is being my homie

second one is average tierlist

What ever shall prot warrior do, it's 1 whole key level behind VDH

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-npc-meme-npc-one-of-us-koomer-gif-24014484

Warr is the middle one

Turned into VDH

[teal swift]

Completely unplayable #1 VDH vs #1 Prot Warrior

[opaque quest]

Imagine not having multiple 31s

Unplayable

[teal swift]

ikr, look at Guardian druid

its a whole two tiers

above prot warrior

Damn, how can we ever compete

[opaque quest]

All i understand is nerf warr

Maybe we can be 1 1/2 tiers behind

Instead of just 1

[teal swift]

Dont forget, Blood DK is a whole tier above prot warrior

tierlists, need to gather data, curate it, run it through algorithms, then rate it.

Players just push, comparing #1 player of each class, you can see its really not far behind.

Which basically turns into

Stier: VDH, Prot Paladin
A Tier: Everything else

Then filtered through meangirls algorithm, becoming totally fetch

and effectively just a popularity contest

rather than if the clas is actually good lmao

[ember token]

I highly doubt it matters in a slightness which tank you pick when it comes 'will he survive' or how big the key is. It is more about will your group survive without extra 'utility' the tank provide and in some cases I guess damage the tank do. Any tier list should just be 'what tank can provide to the group so they can go bit unorthodox to survive/do more damage'.

[violet ginkgo]

Speaking of warrior.... I think it's been quite long time right where we have critical block as our mastery, do you guys think it's a good one or maybe need to be changed? I mean considering now we just never prioritize mastery as our stat.

[grand veldt]

Critical block is genuinely noticeable on soul bond Goliath

I hit 71 stacks before we killed it on a 24 fort, and I didn't feel much fear at all, wasn't even calling for externals or procxing cheat

[limber warren]

Hey, just checking in looking for some help on maximizing my SS when outburst procs. I feel like when it procs its super hard to get shield slam to come off cooldown and not sure if my rotation is still just wrong or whats going on...

[grand veldt]

You have to like consciously pool rage at like 6 stacks

It's also helpful if you have other globals to use if you have to wait for ss to come up

Battering ram is nice

Etc

[tribal wharf]

Professional mythic raid leader POV

[warm night]

Me in a mythic raid POV

[woven spear]

hello, does the Prot warrior have a slightly better talent for dps, maybe for raids?

[dusky canopy]

Dudes idk if im losing my mind but the game will not let me equip my lariat

and my only embelish is vers wrists

[opaque quest]

What is meangirl

Are you one?

[opaque quest]

Game knows lariat is F tier on every tier list

[dusky canopy]

BRO

you cant equip the raid enchant with lariat

those two are conflicting

for me

[opaque quest]

Small indie dev cant test everything ok

Not their fault

They are only worth 70 bilion

[restive scroll]

No, the ones that are specified are pretty much for dps

[restive scroll]

How much of this do you think goes to actual work on the game, and how much goes to investors ? ;)

[woven spear]

I only asked because the ones I watched in prot wars do 180k overall dps even in raids, and I only know 120-140 and they thought I'd ask if there's something wrong with my talent 😂

[opaque quest]

In your order. 0 and 70 bilion

[restive scroll]

Not possible, mathematically proven btw, and wow is an incredibly big and complicated program, soooo, yes.
Even limitless pockets can't think about everything.
We know in software, that there'll always be bugs

[restive scroll]

See, you get it ! :D

[opaque quest]

Well thats why you pay playtesters for extended periods of time so they have the time to test everything :>

But i dont think the head enchant was being tested on ptr

[restive scroll]

"everything" does not exists in development

Not saying that they should have tested more, just that it's not possible to test everything

[opaque quest]

Ofcourse not. I shouldve specified everything that is important. Namely gear since there isnt much else to do than gearing rn

[restive scroll]

Nah you good.
At these levels, the difference becomes min maxing, skill, and luck

[opaque quest]

Skill is when luck becomes the norm

[restive scroll]

Sorry, I'm just tired at that saying "small indie companies can't test everything" at every bug that happens.
Because I know how complicated those stuff are

[opaque quest]

Na its fine. Youre right. Ofc you cant test every single interaction from old and new stuffs

[restive scroll]

I don't know, no class is deterministic AFAIK

[teal swift]

A movie about popularity and bullying

[opaque quest]

But as far as im concerned the main selling point of "gear" from the raid next to the legy shouldve been tested

[teal swift]

Go watch mean girls, it's old AF now

[restive scroll]

Yeh, probably more, but they seemed to have moved on to next tiers/extension anyway, so, not surprising, albeit sad

Not like players matter after all :')

[woven spear]

then I'll try, but it would be nice to draw a gold log instead of purple in the tank as in dps 😂

[opaque quest]

Come on bobby. That was brutal

[opaque quest]

Im busy watching disenchamtment tho

Dagmar is thicc

[restive scroll]

Probably have to go to logs now.
Potions/elixirs start to matter too :D
(I tend to be quite ... thrifty)

(I still don't always use either in 27's)

[opaque quest]

I dont think ive ever used more than 1 potion per dungeon

I try to make sure to have at least 1 phial tho

[restive scroll]

But that's so expensiveeeeeeee

[opaque quest]

Na i have either wifey or roommate make phials. They are both playing wow like a economy simulation

[restive scroll]

...

That's what I call marry smart

[woven spear]

I'm already pre-potting in tanks and in every raid as well as in dung 😄

[restive scroll]

What flask are you using ? You might want to compare to the top logs

[woven spear]

let's say yesterday we were in a very suffering tot xD

[restive scroll]

I use vers because I'm cheap

[woven spear]

18 tot keys

😂

lock this 1 interrupts 😒

485~ gear lock and mage

[opaque quest]

Vers is the recommended one dw

[restive scroll]

Well, if I want to dps, the corrupted rage seems better

I gain something like 40/50 ranks

[opaque quest]

Na. Uptime is shitty. Vers sims higher for me at least

Might be because i have basically no vers tho

[woven spear]

😄

[restive scroll]

Same

idk, never sim flasks

[jagged pier]

no

i use vers flasks

really need rage phail

even tho its sims less (for me at least)

[restive scroll]

You're simply better than I am =)

[woven spear]

I also want such a log :'C

[restive scroll]

I just do okay

I don't raid mythic either though

[jagged pier]

thats not what im saying im saying your statement about rage phial being 40/50 ranks it just wrong

[restive scroll]

I said "for me"

I tend to rank about 100~ & with rage, I get to 50~

[jagged pier]

it wont be for anyone

[woven spear]

what items and stat distribution are you using?

[restive scroll]

Agreed, hence why I was very specific :)

[warm night]

I'm far from an expert here, but that seems like really low haste for 485 ilvl

[warm night]

Whoops, was replying to this about the haste

[jagged pier]

yourself included its literally a difference in kill time and u playing better. that phial the difference is like 1-2k at most thats not that many ranks

[jagged pier]

what ever my max ilvl items are

there is no thought

[restive scroll]

ok

[jagged pier]

just equip

[teal swift]

Replace all secondaries with a stat called "power"

Too much simming

Just make ilvl only factor

[weary forge]

is cross speccing to arms or fury easier

[blazing condor]

arms

[blazing condor]

most similar stat prio

instead of you having to stack mastery as fury

[weary forge]

what is prot stats?

haste>crit>vers>mast?

[weary forge]

ty

[blazing condor]

but all our stats are very close to eachother

[opaque quest]

@tribal wharf eyo doom boi

Play roboquest

Its doom in rogue lite

Its hella fun

[knotty pewter]

does berseker shout remove fear on party members from the dwellers in DHT?

[knotty pewter]

im aware of the tooltip. wondering if it worked on that specfic fear or if it was a Horrify type effect and maybe didnt

its WoW, you rarely can trust a tooltip

[blazing condor]

dont see why it wouldnt work

[stone umbra]

so just starting to work on learning to tank any good tips for starting out?

[blazing condor]

read the guides

[opaque quest]

Practice Practice Practice

[blazing condor]

practice

[pallid quiver]

I'd recommend making sure you're confident in your base rotation first on dummies, then go out while logging

[stone umbra]

guides like wowhead?

[opaque quest]

Yea

[pallid quiver]

Tanking in general in M+ is mostly reading group pace, which varies wildly

[pallid quiver]

I'd recommend Icyveins for Prot War, since it's written by a dedicated Prot Main

our good Mwahi here

[opaque quest]

Never ever rely on people interrupting or supporting you

Thats the first rule

[stone umbra]

Thanks! I will go give it a read

[pallid quiver]

Also, are you planning on M+ tanking or raid tanking?

[stone umbra]

I have healed alot of mythic+ and have learned that the hard way

[opaque quest]

Isnt Llarold a dedicated prot too? Never checked

[pallid quiver]

Raid tanking is dramatically easier since the fights are scripted; it's by far the easiest role in raid

[stone umbra]

If i find a guild / group I would be down for both

[pallid quiver]

run from raid tanking, without parse farming there is no joy in the abyss

They're different environments like I mentioned, but

M+ is usually harder since there's more decisions to make as a tank and you need to better space defensives

as compared to raid where the damage intake is usually telegraphed

[stone umbra]

Well i really enjoy healing mythic so might focus tanking them to see if i can

[pallid quiver]

I personally think healing is the hardest role in M+, so if you have experience there, in terms of sheer difficulty, it shouldn't be too bad,

But there is more you can ruin in terms of pacing/pull size, so keep an eye on that

[blazing condor]

tanking is just a lot more outside of combat

outside of doing your rotation and doing numbers

[pallid quiver]

It's the tanks responsibility to ensure the DPS can do their best damage with the group provided so to clear the key as efficiently/fast as possible, but you don't learn how to adapt to that without trying

[opaque quest]

Agree on that one. If people used personals it would be the easiest lol

[blazing condor]

its more of a proactive, think-ahead and be aware type role

[stone umbra]

Yea have had alot of tanks just go and leave me scrambling for mana

[pallid quiver]

which is unfortunate, because that's not a pacing problem, that's a "they can't press even two buttons" problem

All the tanks are very self-sustainable in pretty much any given pull at the immediate time frame barring specific boss mechanics/pulls

so if they just explode like that, they're usually just literally not even playing the game

[opaque quest]

If you have mana problems thats usualy a sign of bad healing not bad tanking. You can drink after each pack even if its just 1 second

[stone umbra]

some times it is just the pace that keeps you from getting any mana back lots of groups in pug just go for fastest time with you really being set up to do that

[pallid quiver]

If the tank is able to actually press their buttons, you're usually able to just let them pull without you as you drink, but in the given scenario

that's not gonna happen

Since the largest majority of damage coming to DPS in M+ is avoidable (interrupts, not standing in swirlies, etc), and tanks played right are self-sustainable

but if those aren't happening, mana issues just compound instantly and it's real bad

[opaque quest]

If a tank doesnt press his buttons hes unhealable anyways tho

No point in trying to flash

[pallid quiver]

then the DPS blame the healer while they do nothing to help and I have to send a whisper after the dungeon giving my condolences

[potent anvil]

It would. However, it only breaks party members after they get feared, it shows up like a 1s buff for them. Can't pre-cast it like normal Berserker Rage and be immuned.

[tribal wharf]

the horror and the gore and surivval shooter find the exit is what makes doom doom

fighting against something you have no other words to describe what your fighting, a literal alien or hell monster

[blazing condor]

same for pokemon

idk if thats a man or a mime

[tribal wharf]

this trash came up from the basement after tagging everything and dying

this was the BAD sanguine group example compared to first

which handled it very well

[opaque quest]

Wore the Shirt once. Dont think ill get it back

[tribal wharf]

thats how i feel about my xbox 360 indie game

im waitin on amazon package now

[lusty tiger]

Cute meowster

[waxen cradle]

my cat is the same way when she claims a chair its best to just let her have the chair until she moves

[warm plinth]

My cat just claims me

[lusty tiger]

Ket

[blazing condor]

you got any

[tribal wharf]

can somebody remove spirited defense if it goes off

im not sure

not that huge of a debuff, but still basically a wall for them, nasty with sanguine

[blazing condor]

mages could spell steal it iirc

[weary forge]

what mobility does prot have apart dash/leap

[blazing condor]

its pretty much just charge/leap

[tribal wharf]

intervene that we dont talent into for keys

[blazing condor]

shield charge could also be used

but not really worth to use as util

[weary forge]

then why do people say prot has good mobility? doesnt seem like much compared to dh/brm

[tribal wharf]

leaper talent makes us fast for a few seconds after landing with leap

not sur if thats what u want

[lyric cape]

Probably cause it has more mobility than BDK or Prot paladin

[tribal wharf]

it does have good mobility

but its normally not a real factor for raids/keys

[warm plinth]

It's dispellable via purge effects but the issue is that it goes on every mob so unless you have torrent or mass dispel, it's a lot of globals to remove it.

[tribal wharf]

its only 35% now rather than 50% i thought

waitin on healr relog then back 2 key

[blazing condor]

i mean when you do those packs there's not a lot of interrupts needed

so you just interrupt/cc the spirited defense

before it casts

even dbm shouts at you

very dumbass proof

[grizzled nova]

it does, leap is 40 yds vice the shorter dh/monk roll, and charge is versatile

[weary forge]

fair enough

but monk got three rolls, trans, tigers lust

[grizzled nova]

pwar/vdh/monk are very mobile, in ish different ways, ppala is okay, bdk and bear are basically invalids

[weary forge]

prot mobility still good tho, i get the point others made

[weary forge]

charge is nice lol

!wa

[grizzled nova]

pwar isn't uniquely mobile, it's just one of the tanks that does have mobility

[weary forge]

yeah i get that

i hate on blood how you only have da

feel like a slog

[grizzled nova]

The thing about mobility is that it is nice to have, but you can always play around not having it as well, so it's not 'real' utility

[violet ginkgo]

so we need more actual utility for the party maybe?

[desert token]

Why is it shit then

[desert token]

Being +2 behind is a big deal

It shows that when played to perfection its so much weaker

[warm plinth]

Can you explain how you drew that conclusion?

[desert token]

So this means the avg player will also be +2 behind compared to the avg vdh

So if ure struggling to beat a +18 for example

Ud be doing a +20 if u were dh

[warm plinth]

That is an incredibly incorrect take. And you clearly do not understand what that data is showing you.

Which is why "tier lists" like those are not useful.

[desert token]

So what does the data show

[warm plinth]

The data is showing a scale of tanks by representation in +20 to +31 keys. Which means that list is literally a popularity contest.

The "tiers" are just percentage ranges of representation.

They have nothing to do with the viability of the spec, either on its own or in comparison to the other specs in the table.

So this is the image you posted right

[desert token]

Ye

[warm plinth]

Notice anything? This is the tank class population for keys level 20+ on raider.io

[desert token]

U might be onto smth here

[warm plinth]

Keep in mind, the chart you posted is only showing data from a specific set of affixes; my chart is showing overall

[pallid quiver]

dk becoming less popular for sanguine

bruh you can yank mobs out of the puddle smh

[warm plinth]

We also don't know how they're polling their data, because you can see in the bottom right of my screenshot that their sample size is 35,293. The subcreation one is only 16,000

Which probably explains the slight variance between prot war and brewmaster

[desert token]

It appears subcreation only shows current week

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-affix-rankings/season-df-3/all/world/leaderboards-strict/fortified-incorporeal-sanguine

While this has 177k sample size

Of all such weeks

How do u remove embed on phone

[warm plinth]

< before and > after the link

idk if you can remove it without editing; I generally don't care about embeds so lol

[desert token]

Takes too much space

[warm plinth]

But yeah, you can see why it's not really useful information in terms of how good or bad a spec is

[desert token]

But u know what annoys me

[warm plinth]

It's just popularity

[desert token]

U cant sort by given spec

Inside of timed leaderboards

U have to go to class or spec leaderboaard

Which takes way more time

[warm plinth]

Oh, yeah

[desert token]

Also raider.io's files get blocked by my dns filter

So it loads like shit unless i turn it off

[warm plinth]

raider.io has been strugglebussing hard lately anyway tbh

[desert token]

But yeah looking at wowmeta

We are last in dungeons

And we are tied in 5th with guardian druid in raids

[torn gulch]

i remember when i was looking at tank representation in 25's and higher this season we had something like 40%+ vhd 25-ish% prot pala around 10% blood dk then the other tanks at 2%

[desert token]

Only better than blood dk

[warm plinth]

well, at least that website actually says it's popularity lol

instead of being like PWAR IS D TIER

[desert token]

I should have sorted by mortality rate

[warm plinth]

what does mortality rate even mean o_O

[desert token]

How much u die

[torn gulch]

kekw

[desert token]

Ur goal as tank is to not die

[blazing condor]

depends on how intuitive the spec is to play

[warm plinth]

well, idk if you've played with a lot of prot warriors but uh, a LOT of them suck.

even in keys over 20

[desert token]

Thus we are joint 4th/5th place with guardian druid

[blazing condor]

did a 22 atal with a pwarr today who had 45 cpm

and 50% blocked

[torn gulch]

yikes

[desert token]

So how do I not suck?

[blazing condor]

learn to play

learn to read logs

practice

analyse your logs

[warm plinth]

Not dying is like 99% correct gameplay for any tank right now

Tanks are very sturdy this season

[desert token]

Blood dk is atrocious in raids for some reason

[torn gulch]

lol what?

[desert token]

8.73% mortality rate

We have 6.88%

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/bFkho.gif

[desert token]

Guardian druid 6.95%

[blazing condor]

i mean if you have 1000 bdks progging mythic for every 1 pwarr

im sure they're gonna die more

but idk how they measure mortality

[desert token]

Well we are the least popular tank

[warm plinth]

gotta be log analysis right?

[desert token]

But still only 4th in mortality rate

[warm plinth]

idk how else it would be pulled

[blazing condor]

is a wipe = death

added to mortality rate

cus in that case its still a popularity contest

[warm plinth]

yeah, it seems like a potentially scuffed metric (not that it's useful in the first place)

[blazing condor]

wow would be such a better game

if people just played what they wanted to play

and thats all that mattered to them - if they liked the class or nah

[desert token]

I asked on their discord now

We'll see

[warm plinth]

oh dear

[desert token]

https://discord.com/invite/aFFgQ4DUVc

[warm plinth]

Oh, wowmeta

I thought you meant Acherus and I was gonna be like you shouldn't have done that

[desert token]

Whos acherus

[warm plinth]

The DK discord

They are not exactly the friendly sort if you bring meme shit in there

[desert token]

I will go there

[blazing condor]

🫡

[warm plinth]

rest in peace

[desert token]

And let em know dk is the worst tank in raids

[warm plinth]

they'll probably just ban you

[desert token]

Its only fair I shit on em too

I will go like

"Hey guys newbie blood dk player here, i've been struggling in raids a lot and I'm not sure what im doing wrong so i went to this website wowmeta and noticed blood dk has the highest mortality rate by far, is it possible that it's not just me who's bad but just the spec sucking a bit?"

Well as soon as I get out of bed anyway

I slept 15 hours

Still feel too bad to get up :(

Just so sleepy

I need more sleep

Ah but now its 21:47 if i sleep more i will completely ruin my sleep schedule

Aaah now I have to get up even tho i wanna sleep more

[jagged gust]

Those are some true gamer sleep stats right there

[tribal wharf]

hard for me to complain really

could be better but almost nitpicking now

[violet ginkgo]

get the gholak ray

[idle quartz]

Gholak is insane, my 476 version would out-dps my 489 weapon no contest

[tribal wharf]

just aint got it

no biggie

[blazing condor]

wonder how long LFG is gonna be broken

when it comes to listing keystones

[tribal wharf]

i join the keys i know since i dont know all the dungeons

[blazing condor]

thats a good way to never learn new dungeons

[tribal wharf]

not as experienced in pulling higher lvl keys of like legion keys relative to me high

like that dungeon with the shot gun archers legion one

i dont want to run that at all this week, mega dungeon i might do

[warm plinth]

Wdym?

[tribal wharf]

i've done so much WCM that its unfailable key for me now

its like world 1 of mario, only die if really stupid

[warm plinth]

With that mindset, you should go play the mario maker where it's like 40 levels that are all world 1-1 but with interesting variations

[tribal wharf]

yes well, but im considering getting into custom doom wad playing or creation

[blazing condor]

open list to list key
all dungeons are weirdly ordered + a buncha non-season dungeons
put dungeon
it's set to heroic
write title
change difficulty to mythic+
title resets

shit like that

[warm plinth]

Oh. Yeah, that stuff is irritating.

[tribal wharf]

how about, if the game detects i do keys every week

when i open dungeon guide it goes to that season of dungeon keys

inteasd of the expasion dungeons

[warm plinth]

Or, hear me out

Hold ctrl and click on a keystone/keystone link to automatically create a group listing for that key/level

I wonder if an addon could do that. Probably not though

[blazing condor]

probably is an addon that could do that

[warm plinth]

But would be a sick idea

[tribal wharf]

what i would want to see is optional "how'dido?" screen at end like a score screen, mostyl for if you play the AI mode

but like up to mythic zero and it tells you if you suck or not as a healer

[lusty tiger]

I like that idea

[tribal wharf]

like cuz might think your doin right things, and your not at all, but its more naunced than that too i recogniz

[still solar]

damn, swapped over from arms chat and already feeling attacked lmao

[tribal wharf]

oh, and i want to get that haste versa ring hero as a drop from wcm also

rings i got arent bad, just, i really would enjoy to have that particular one

[blazing condor]

best part about playing dps is that you get to see all the silly pwarrs

wish me luck with this fella

[tribal wharf]

hey don't spoiiler my upcoming build

[warm plinth]

Good luck

[tribal wharf]

BSV omegalul

[blazing condor]

not even using ravagaer

[tribal wharf]

but i think hes worried about sanguine so hes taking int shout to move them off it, and the aoe silence big taunt one for same more or less casters

thats my working theory

oh, hes also got the 2 sw thing

[long chasm]

You guys don’t pick up the interrupting taunt shout talent for pugs? Imma have to check the pins and see what I’m missing

[blazing condor]

i regret to inform that we did not time the key

[lusty tiger]

Hmm

[lusty tiger]

Tank diff?

[blazing condor]

honestly yes

but not cus he was a bad tank per se he just chain pulled the entire dungeon

[lusty tiger]

R I P

[blazing condor]

gonna peep the log

[winged slate]

My man loves pressing revenge

[still solar]

wonder how high the sanuine heals were if overpulling was an issue

[blazing condor]

only 7%

[tribal wharf]

my logs arent logging

so, ya

video required kappa

all i know for sure is on 17 wcm run i did, i m ust have showed back cuz hp dropped like mega

yup, he hit me in the back of the head

[warm plinth]

It was at this moment, he knew he fucked up

[blazing condor]

4 years later and still getting hit in the back

[tribal wharf]

thats like you say, okay, go play sonic but you can never lose your rings

or you cant fall in a hole and die

cf course its bound to happen some point

[blazing condor]

you can if youre good enough

[toxic pewter]

When the protection warr look back post gonna be reposted on wowhead

[tribal wharf]

protection warrior is the same story as always

boring and never changing

[chilly brook]

In what world is prot boring Wadu

[blazing condor]

this one

nah easy to say its boring when its all youve been doing for a long time

ofc it gets stale

top it off with the spec not being as engaging as previously

[lusty tiger]

Banner banner

[toxic pewter]

I read somewhere apparently war within has no planned class reworks as of yet so don’t hold your breath anyone

[tribal wharf]

not even a rework

just give me condemn or banner in place of spear

make spear in i think its arms that gets most value i dunno

i dont play alot of dps at a competitive lvl

cuz, for all of eternity in wow, thats that one thing ppl know about warriors, #1 they use rage and #2 they execute stuff

anytime some warrior viral video comes out its about excecute spam

[high mesa]

I keep seeing people saying this. What’s the source?

[toxic pewter]

I read it in the elemental shaman df recap post on wowhead

[high mesa]

I read it there too, but pretty sure he pulled that out of his ass

[sullen gust]

Lowkey I'm finding it funny that the recaps are all up for the classes released but when I click the link for protection warrior the page is broken. Feels like my expansion in a nutshell and I enjoyed that

[hardy snow]

I dont care much about such "recap", I was having fun playing prot all expansion, im having it now, gonna continue

[dusky sentinel]

I dont think war is boring at all. Do I miss banner. Yes. We dont need a rework. We just need some spellchanging

When they do those analyzes what talent is never picked. Voila

[desert token]

is this ability a place holder?

looks useless to me

also who needs shield block anyway

[toxic pewter]

wat

[winged slate]

Please stop having fun, thanks

[chilly brook]

Would be the first expansion ever where there wasn’t major changes to classes

So I doubt that

[tribal wharf]

i just feel like we only ever used spear ability in SL for a few patches cuz it covered our obvious blindspot weakness to debuffs then

[chilly brook]

Wut?

[tribal wharf]

and we were more after the phial than the spear abilitiy

[chilly brook]

Ancient aftershock>phial tbh

[tribal wharf]

example if venthyr had same thing, i'd use that one probably

[chilly brook]

Non DR mob stop was kinda goated

[tribal wharf]

i tried to run a 17 wcm but it went really south really fast

[rocky bluff]

was just smacking a training dummy, fervid bite seems to consume all 3 bleeds? not just 40% of DW and rend?

[tribal wharf]

so im avoiding logging on atm

[chilly brook]

Yeah it consumes the bleed period

It does 40% of the remaining damage

And 100% of roar

[rocky bluff]

oh so it eats the entire bleed but it only does 40% of the dmg ok i think i get it

[chilly brook]

40% of the remaining damage

Generally it doesn’t really matter though, it’s just free damage cuz you’re constantly reapplying deep wounds and rend

[rocky bluff]

i see that now, haven't played much prot this exp

was just wondering if it was bugged

pondering if it would make FBV worth it

[tribal wharf]

but it doesnt get the additional 20% bleed from blood borne ya?

[rocky bluff]

dunno, i dont run bloodborne

in m+

[tribal wharf]

im sort of curious exactly why it is that way, but nah

[rocky bluff]

so its personal pref ye? hence why im pondering

[tribal wharf]

the adds to ignore pain one i believe is bugged or something and doesnt work, and i think BSV also

i think generally we dont ever run those,

[rocky bluff]

you say that but the majority does run BrV

[tribal wharf]

between brv and fbv one of those doesnt function properly, or at all

[rocky bluff]

logically you would heal for a smal chunk every fervid bit with FBV but i dont think i have noticed that happening

so i dont think that works

[tribal wharf]

and BSV is just, really janky, doesnt work way youd expect triggers too early hair trigger when you drop to 30% i think and then its just a you get more heals buff? its not great at all...

[rocky bluff]

well as a prot warrior you usually fucked something up if you hit 30% hp anyways so kinda doesn't synergize with prot war

[chilly brook]

I think BrV is just the default talent in most builds

[rocky bluff]

unlike purgatory or last resort

[chilly brook]

And people don’t bother changing

[rocky bluff]

i really just wish prot warrior had a sustainable way of healing themselves, a healthstone every 3 min and IV isnt good enough lol

[lusty grotto]

nah we aint bdks

the whole point of us is to prevent damage

leave bdk as bdks

[rocky bluff]

i was thinking more in the lines of like brewmaster

bdks is something else entirely

[lusty grotto]

in that case, play brew

[rocky bluff]

nah

i play warrior to play warrior

[lusty grotto]

ok then there's no self healing that we need

[rocky bluff]

boring

need healer piggyback

[lusty grotto]

as it has been since vanilla

[rocky bluff]

hey i don't mean to scare you or anything buuuut thats almost 20 years ago

[lusty grotto]

yup

and ive played since then

🙂

[rocky bluff]

would be cool if you could have a rage spender to heal yourself, got way to much rage and nothing to spend it on except revenge anyways

[lusty grotto]

you keep wishing to be another tank

thats the least that we need

[warm plinth]

We have 10% leech baseline, we have indomitable, we have IV, we have LS

we have plenty of self healing

[rocky bluff]

my god man let me have my opinions

[warm plinth]

Especially considering we aren't a healing tank

[lusty grotto]

out of all the things in this game that could make prot a bit more desireable

self healing is not one of them

[rocky bluff]

its the only issue i have in keys is just dying to dots because i cant outheal them, reduce them or get rid of them outside of stoneform

[lusty grotto]

wall? demo?

dstance?

they apply to all dots and bleeds

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/bKXMp.gif

[rocky bluff]

try to reduce the 4th bite on rezan tyranicall 24 and see if demo is enuf

[lusty grotto]

i have

[rocky bluff]

wasnt for me, if healer isnt spam healing my stonescale's proc

[lusty grotto]

on a 24 min youre not playing the game for yourself

its a team game

[rocky bluff]

it never is

[lusty grotto]

ask for an external

[rocky bluff]

in pugs

[lusty grotto]

well thats your problem

[rocky bluff]

it is

[warm plinth]

We're not the only tank that needs outside healing on that mechanic anyway; that's kind of the point of the mechanic.

[rocky bluff]

which is why i want some self sustain

[warm plinth]

It's the only healing requirement on that fight

[lusty grotto]

you want some self healing because you cant play a team game?

do you want to kick everything, heal everything, dps everything by yourself as well?

[rocky bluff]

ok you are a healer, any healer, you queue up AD 25, you see prot war sign up and a veng dh sign up and bdk sign up, what do you do? you instantly decline the prot war because you dont wanna heal a 5th target and pick the veng.

[warm plinth]

There's only one target to heal on Rezan, not 5

[rocky bluff]

in fucking

general

[winged slate]

It's great design that tanks have different amounts of self healing, different amounts of mitigation, etc.

[warm plinth]

I mean we don't need healing "in fucking general"

[winged slate]

If every tank never needed a healer then the game would be boring

[warm plinth]

We need healing for specific things

[rocky bluff]

so i need to hope

that healers pick me

because they wanna heal me

and not be bored

yaaay

[winged slate]

As opposed to healing the other tank?

[warm plinth]

You're acting like no prot warrior ever pugs keys that high or something lol

[rocky bluff]

im acting like i dont wanna queue

for 6 hours

[winged slate]

What do you do when you play DPS?

[rocky bluff]

i dont have that kind of time

[winged slate]

Do you stop starsurging and start casting regrowth because you hit 90% hp?

No, you just trust that the healer will get you

[rocky bluff]

thats relative

[winged slate]

It's the exact same premise

[rocky bluff]

if im not topped before a big aoe mechanic i will heal myself to be topped

i dont see the corilation between that and tanking

[winged slate]

You don't see the correlation between needing a healer to keep you alive as a DPS and as a tank?

[rocky bluff]

surley you wanna be self sufficient in order to let the healer focus on keeping the rest of the party up

[winged slate]

Nobody is self sufficient, that's why we run in groups of 5

[warm plinth]

Like in what situation? Because you keep saying this like the healer has to heal you all the time lol

[rocky bluff]

if the pull isnt killed by the time my defencives run out then yes healer has to spam heal

[winged slate]

Wut

[warm plinth]

Then I would imagine you're playing incorrectly.

[winged slate]

How fuckin squishy do you think prot warriors are

[rocky bluff]

man were way off track from the initial problem i have, only issue i have with prot warrior is the lack of self healing thats all

i usually have little to no issues tanking keys in general but i do avoid tanking fortified on higher keys, especially keys like DHT and Rise

[pliant trout]

whats the point of avoiding? you need to eat shit to get better

[rocky bluff]

might just be lack of verse because i have arms stat weights but i just dont enjoy prot in its current state

[pliant trout]

dht only the tree boss is bit problematic, there heal must extra pump on you

rise didnt play after the nerf

[rocky bluff]

tree's, dryads and despair casters

[pliant trout]

prots are awesome idk players are just cripples which used to play with broken vdh/paladin and can't execute without binary counter mechanics

but i don't get why disrupting shout is 1.5 min cd if it was like 20-30 warrs would be top

[rocky bluff]

i liked prot war last tier, probably because the keys werent actually that bad tanking wise tho, only real hassle was neltharus

[pliant trout]

seconds*

[rocky bluff]

it used to be

6 fucking minute

be happy

[pliant trout]

i piss on blizzard

i don't need to be happy

i mean i don't care about the low skills who balance the game

i get bored i just unsubscribe from this dumpster

bored/annoyed

[rocky bluff]

i cant

i see big numbers

neurons activate

[pliant trout]

your problems

[rocky bluff]

indeed

as soon as something better get released

[pliant trout]

damage numbers are the most wasteful shit ever

obstucts vision and gpu fill rate

[rocky bluff]

im abandoning this lost dream

sights on riot mmo

[pliant trout]

no you don't

you are blizzards bitch

UuU

ahhh and yea prot war lacks damage like 25-35% i guess (or other tanks damage needs a nerf)

[hardy snow]

35%? lol

[pliant trout]

yes, thats prot warrs utility, damage.

what else does he bring?

[hardy snow]

we are like ~7-9% behind in raid, fine in dungs in terms of dmg

[pliant trout]

no one in sane mind care about raids

[hardy snow]

where 35% comes from?

[pliant trout]

i talk only about m+

i am saying prot warr needs a overall damage buff

[hardy snow]

no one in sane mind care about m+

¯_(ツ)_/¯

but our dmg is pretty good in M+

[pliant trout]

no it's not mediocre at best

[lusty grotto]

no its not

go away with your twitch emotes

botter

35%... jesus fuck

how can you be so dense

i guess it happens when you rotation bot your shit

and then announce it here

and have archim get on your shit by doing so

[winged slate]

If you gave us 35% damage we would shit on everyone by a large margin that's an insane number

[lusty grotto]

guy is an actual moron

[pliant trout]

xDDDDD yes sure when everyone around you still dies

[lusty grotto]

twitch emote

[pliant trout]

vdh/pala are strong because of the utility, and most would still prefer them

and vdh has also better damage*

[hazy bronze]

Yeah they should just delete pwarr at this point

[shut zealot]

i have to tank tindral cuz missing tank and im only one who has ever played prot. any cool thing i can do

is mushroom spell blockable etc

[lusty grotto]

sense's sheet

has everything you need to know

[desert token]

behooooooooold

THE ULTIMATE WEAPON

this guy is stronger than level 60 epic weapons

that costs 5-6 digit sum from AH

so proud of it

i will cherish it

and watch over it

at least until i outlevel it

[violet flume]

idk why you guys are loling at prot war being 35% behind in damage, it should do 30% more dps than other tanks, thats the way it should be

[warm plinth]

[desert token]

i remember back in the days

warrior was known for doing the most dmg

as a tank

almost like a bottom tier dps

idk what happened

i guess we went in the gutter

[waxen frigate]

is that poetry

[cerulean tusk]

Prot experience is this:
Be one of the easiest tanks to become tanky early in an expansion, basically get a decent shield.
As other tanks need a couple of weeks to catch up, enjoy the feeling of being wanted.
People complain, as you got a spotlight and are far ahead of other tanks.
Get nerfed to hell, so to be the same early game level as others.
They get geared, we get left in the dumpster. Gradually getting tiny buffs, so we ready to repeat the process the next expansion.

[desert token]

VICTORY IS CARVED IN BLOOD

i went through 3 different healers

5 different dps

but i completed that dungeon

NEVER GIVE UP

when the others give up

U KEEP PUSHING

altho the fault was mine

for pulling those whirlwind fuckers with 15 other mobs at once

3 times in a row

but hey u live to learn

i prevailed in the end

and the leavers got a penalty and no rewards nothing

this + shield block

= full heal

when u pull like 40 mobs

[urban portal]

dang we optimizing pre max level trinkets

[urban portal]

tpeople sell those for transmogs

[desert token]

of course

i've spent more time optimizing my gear

than actually doing dungeons to level

but u know DAMN well

that i will be the strongest guy

in every single dungeon i do

cuz i got all BiS gear

[desert token]

lmao

imagine mogging

[urban portal]

until you out level that trinket

you will be the most powerful prot warrior known to man

[desert token]

indeed

i am like MAXIMUS

https://tenor.com/view/chad-intro-intro-entry-gladiator-gif-21589431

when i enter the dungeon

[lusty grotto]

what the fuck is this spam

guy talking to himself i guess

[desert token]

yeah happens often

it is what it is

better talking to urself than to no one

[sick sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/yapping-yapper-yapping-man-old-guy-yapping-keep-yapping-gif-16586719177455162521

[opaque quest]

So funny. 3 days and people still eat Yo's bait

[hollow sun]

Is it yogi 2nd account?

[opaque quest]

Na Yogi knows the basics pretty well i'd say

He just never applies them

[bleak breach]

anything worth knowing about mythic council?

[opaque quest]

Yea

Dont die

Do damage

Mitigate as much as you can

https://tenor.com/view/vizsla-space-vizsla-vizsla-in-space-mind-blown-space-dog-gif-27697990

Sokraxx rn

[jagged pier]

You forgot keep 2 bosses stacked at all times

[bleak breach]

so no dramatic change for us from heroic then?

[jagged pier]

What change?

Tanks have new mechanics in mythic?

[bleak breach]

@jagged pier in mythic were you guys taunt swapping on claws or charges for Urctos? i'm fine because of block but our BDK is struggling

[jagged pier]

Like on hc your supposed to change every claws

But as on hc it doesnt hurt

No one knows that

[bleak breach]

4 heal or 5 healing? our group is struggling a bit, but i think it's just letting too many plants up

[opaque quest]

Pretty sure heal is always dependent on weather you hit dps check or not. If there is none just put in another healer. No shame in that

There is no general rule healing wise that fits any grp

[bleak breach]

too easy, thanks guys. seems to be running better with 5. just doing some fine tuning

[blazing condor]

Gl

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/believe-spongebob-gif-5640347

[hasty fjord]

I agree with the fact if the dot is some kind of poison, bleed, or a curse. Some kind of a “battlefield bandage” that we apply to ourself to remove that. Otherwise I’d say our current state of self healing is very decent.

[blazing condor]

we have bitter immunity

not that its picked

just our talent tree thats a bit silly so we can't pick things like berserker rage / bitter immunity

and other utility-type abilities

[tribal wharf]

like i told u guys before

yogi 2.0

everywhere

you'll never believe it till you see it for your self

[oak wind]

Is Lariat worth getting atm for a prot warrior? I'm 480 ilvl and still with champion neck.

[jagged pier]

no just craft the other neck

[blazing condor]

torc is the play

[opaque quest]

Nome should add a Lariat is shit disclaimer to the pins. We hear the question 4 times a day

[lusty tiger]

@tribal wharf https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2JjkJ7NSRo/?igsh=ZGNzcG9xcWdxd2Mz

bepis.shit

Likes

573861

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[tribal wharf]

I've been trying out some cursed doom mods recently
Pause on any frame with a monster for a garunteed nightmare fuel image

[lusty tiger]

Why is the bottom all psychedelic

[oak wind]

any idea why taking Enduring Alacrity doesn't change the haste values in the char sheet? it should be 1% more but for me it's identical before and after. The stamina and armor values do change as expected.

seems like a display bug, because the overall % does change

[covert flower]

It doesn't give any haste rating, just 1% to your haste

The stat numbers only increase from gear/flasks/food that give the stat values

[tribal wharf]

the entire mod is

[lusty tiger]

0.0

[tribal wharf]

its using deep dream AI

[lusty tiger]

What that

[tribal wharf]

earliest form of AI art

really crude stuff compared to today

[warm plinth]

% haste gains don't change your rating. Also don't run that talent.

[tribal wharf]

the 2 new bags from big digs is amazing, i have to for that at some point

[toxic pewter]

whoever implemented the costs for items for that event was insane

need like 230k fragments to collect it all

and its a slog getting fragments

[violet flume]

im getting tired of timed based event in general

was cool at first but it just feels like youre waiting for it to be over now

[toxic pewter]

yeah the events are actually one of my least favorite df 'features'

find them pretty lame and not compelling at all

[violet flume]

theyre all mandatory for catchup gear too

[toxic pewter]

this season u can buy catchup gear with flightstones from that panda near the portal to different dungeons

[violet flume]

hm really, how many flightstones?

i feel flightstones are a rare currency tbh

if youre upgrading a lot youll run out fast

[toxic pewter]

yeah flightstones more valuable this season

[violet flume]

350 i guess its good if you want some easy 441s

yea i ran out on my warrior mid season

couldnt "free upgrade" my fury 2handers

900 each like wow

[tribal wharf]

i feel like this is the type of coillectible that should have been available at the start of expansion probably

also might like something like these in the blizzard store but the one on left is a bit more generic

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto homie 5400 haste is the itf swapping point to still have 100% block right

[warm plinth]

Yes, with careful sb management

Frankly unless you're an experienced prot warrior, I would hold off on swapping until more haste

[dusky canopy]

Ye for sure I’m just chatting with a fellow warrior about it and wanted to clarify

Thanks ghash

[tribal wharf]

what all is a purge anyways, its like shaman, obviously, spell steal mage, torrrent from BE ability, and i think also a dragon spell

[warm plinth]

Shaman, priest, mage, demon hunter, hunter, warlock (non-demo), arcane torrent

If we're talking magic dispel

[tribal wharf]

debuffs without types typically cant be removed ya? buffs on enemy rather

[warm plinth]

Correct

There are some enrage buffs for example that can't be soothed because they aren't classed as an enrage

[lusty grotto]

5400 yes

[steel shale]

In mm+ how often do you stance dance ? Cause ive been taking slaps in 22 AD.

[chilly brook]

Whenever I feel like I need to

Which isn’t often but for specific abilities

Bleed on rezan

Grip on tree boi in DHT

[steel shale]

Because i was like. Yeah aight im fine and 1sec later and 20% hp i was more like. Oh shiiiieeet

[chilly brook]

Dogs in tott

[warm plinth]

That was not because you didn't have defensive stance active. Sounds more like you let shield block drop or people missed a bunch of kicks

[steel shale]

Yeah seems like ive to learn more about "when" i can dps

[steel shale]

Double true

[chilly brook]

Always dps

[warm plinth]

We use battle stance like 99% of the time with the 1% being the occasions similar to what Griff said

[tribal wharf]

appears as though frost and fire buff from chaos flask is like, a hidden buff that lasts for like 15 minutes and then cycles to new one, way more uptime on the other 2

[cinder pasture]

\o/

[tribal wharf]

wicked

if i do 2 more 18s i can get a second myth vault

im not doing 6

[cinder pasture]

He also dropped Gholak, fuck yea

[dusky canopy]

or never use dstance and blame healer

[warm plinth]

Congrats friend

[warm plinth]

Sir it tells you how the flask works in the tooltip

[tribal wharf]

we didnt time the key anyway

[cinder pasture]

[tribal wharf]

1 wipe and some guy left, so i did as well, thats my new policy for key, someone leaves after a wipe i just instant leave game

healer seemed to have low mana i think is why we died

ya, healer just had zero mana

[warm night]

That's standard procedure. Waste of time trying to four-man a key.

[blazing condor]

I three manned a 20 brh in time

never dont give up

[uneven trench]

Hard disagree. Killed the last two bosses of a Tyrannical 23 AD after a DPS died and rage quit. Always worth sticking it out (unless it's some crazy shit like a 25+)

[dusky canopy]

4 manned a 21 DHT starting at double bear pull

you guys realize people 4 man 22s as carrys right lol

[uneven trench]

Naw man the carries that do like 30k overall with no CC or interrupts are key to timing a run.

[median tulip]

Yeah I've 4 manned 20s; not easy, but not that hard.

[tribal wharf]

back at it i suppose

only costs me consumables, not even repairs due to blacksmith

[undone verge]

20s arent bad, like you can time pretty much any 20 with the group doing tank damage as long as the tank knows what theyre doing and the rest of the group is at least mechanically inclined

[stoic hedge]

can someone help me when it comes to prot raiding, is Second wind worth it to take for when you are not tanking the boss?

[strong forum]

Rarely

It gets broken from all dmg than isn't classified as "environmental" dmg

And since all aoe dmg in raid is sources from mobs or bosses

You basically don't get value from it

[tribal wharf]

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[undone verge]

the only fight ive ever seen where second wind actually works, not even is good, was sark. When you went down it would trigger since ur basically immune to dmg so it had a niche use but even then you never really took dmg right after coming up so no real point in taking it

[bleak breach]

Yeah, no good in my experience. If it ever even procs healers have topped you up by then anyway.

[tribal wharf]

id say for prot it second wind could be like, whenever you block, once per sscond heal for (number)

[hardy snow]

it was usefull only on mythic rashok to heal off dot instead of clearing as this dot wasnt breaking it

[novel temple]

They should bring back old second wind and up the health percentage it starts at

Mists Second Wind was bonkers

Honestly, there’s so much utility that’s just been stripped away from us that we’ve gotten and then just taken away

[strong forum]

It wasn't just bonkers

It was mad overpowered

You were neigh unkillable in pvp

You couldn't die unless someone did 35% of your hp in 1 global

[pallid quiver]

excuse me, someone managed to kill me in temple of kotmugu after like 527 stacks of the orb increased damage taken debuff, thank you

[blazing condor]

This comment was fact checked by a true patriot

[novel temple]

Comrade Luerce

Don’t forget Shield Slam used to purge also

We used to give raid wide leech that stacked

Stormbolt had an extra damage component that just soloed the Siegecrafter add when vengeance plus the stacks were high

[violet flume]

heroic throw silence too

remember in wrath, id lock down a faction champion healer completely in TOGC

4sec stun shockwave too

why do we lose so much just for prot paladin to get brez somehow lol

[tribal wharf]

i blame the ring not droppoing, but then id also blame the axe not dropping

[uneven mason]

finally got Council down, done with Duck Jail