Nome you've been playing arms right
#protection
crude notch
dusky canopy
0 small pulls allowed
strong forum
when im tanking WE GO BIG
dusky canopy
Nome you've been playing arms right
Yoo poddyC had your M+ data btw
echo grail
Let me into your groups then please
dusky canopy
Did you see!?
strong forum
Nome you've been playing arms right
ahem im r8 HC allstar arms war
uneven mason
I legit hate when the tank is like "I'ma pull one room at a time"
strong forum
so im kind of a big deal now 
uneven mason
Bruh
echo grail
Let the tank pull how they're comfortable
strong forum
tomorrow i go huntin for parses again 
toxic gyro
I decided to have some fun and dps 20 wcm yesterday to finish my vault slots. Tank literally pulled 1 pack at the time entire dungeon 
crude notch
Did you see!?
yeah poddyc, max pulled it up separately on his stream once, theun used one for a wowhead article about healing. Everyone getting in on the good content.
dusky canopy
yeah poddyc, max pulled it up separately on his stream once, theun used one for ...
Pogg!
uneven mason
I decided to have some fun and dps 20 wcm yesterday to finish my vault slots. Ta...
It's so infuriating
echo grail
People yell at tank for being slow so tank pulls more and then die cause dps like "oh I wasn't ready" like this whole thing was because of yoy
toxic gyro
It's so infuriating
I even said dude it’s not classic you can pull more than one pack
uneven mason
Like wcm is setup for big pulls
toxic gyro
He didn’t listen
echo grail
If you don't like tank speed then you tank
grizzled nova
People yell at tank for being slow so tank pulls more and then die cause dps lik...
Like the only time a tank's "tankiness" matters is if they're an egregious outlier and can pull heavier routes than others like s2 guardian, but when that's properly balanced, as it is this season, the only thing separating tanks is damage and utility - same as every other role and spec.
strong forum
I decided to have some fun and dps 20 wcm yesterday to finish my vault slots. Ta...
i saw @main light deplete a wcm20 on raal of all things, + a tank who reset the goliath every 15 stacks, i couldnt let the man suffer like this
grizzled nova
problem being pwar's damage is unremarkable and pwar's utility is laughable compared to ppala and vdh.
crude notch
anyways, take care, glad the HUGE prot warrior buffs are now live. 🙂
uneven mason
Like the only time a tank's "tankiness" matters is if they're an egregious outli...
S2 guardian, let's give them a shield based on the damage they do with an uncapped ae bleed and sqrt frontal cone....
dusky canopy
anyways, take care, glad the HUGE prot warrior buffs are now live. 🙂
So long! 
echo grail
I saw a tank brick a wcm on raal cause he kept running away from boss go pick up adds so melee/healer get one shot
strong forum
ya saw aswell
uneven mason
Scales to infinity
tribal wharf
whoever in here inform me to pull big for dps dh
main light
i saw <@174491249313579008> deplete a wcm20 on raal of all things, + a tank who ...
blessed run honestly
uneven mason
I saw a tank brick a wcm on raal cause he kept running away from boss go pick up...
Jfc
crude notch
S2 guardian, let's give them a shield based on the damage they do with an uncapp...
Except they still have that, so.
toxic gyro
i saw <@174491249313579008> deplete a wcm20 on raal of all things, + a tank who ...
I depleted 27 2 weeks ago on raal, I left melee range by probably 1 yard to get aggro on oozlings bc my dps are monkeys and they insta blow they’re dmg into them.
uneven mason
Except they still have that, so.
Thrash is target cspped
strong forum
I depleted 27 2 weeks ago on raal, I left melee range by probably 1 yard to get...
stepping out of melee range on raoul is big nono
unless its during tenderize
uneven mason
That was the big nerf
crude notch
The only thing that changed about thrash my dude was the Blood Frenzy rage
which was big
but you didn't mention anything about blood frenzy
toxic gyro
stepping out of melee range on raoul is big nono
Yup consume all went nom nom
toxic gyro
I was sad af man lol
echo grail
Like the only time a tank's "tankiness" matters is if they're an egregious outli...
Sure but player skill is still a thing. Someone could prob do better tanking on a 440 than I could on a 480
strong forum
its just a global group wipe
toxic gyro
Beat witches and Goliath to wipe to dumbest thing ever
tribal wharf
bosses or just trash
uneven mason
love consume all
I had a Titanic throw yeet through the wall to slap him literally from outside the building tossing at the first pack inside, his hitbox isvfucked
strong forum
boss and trash
strong forum
I had a Titanic throw yeet through the wall to slap him literally from outside t...
oh god titanic throw sounds fun af in WCM
just pull through all the ceilings and floors
uneven mason
Was early in the season
Lesson learned
Had Titanic do some nutty stuff in eb as well
Like pulling the flowers behind the first boss when targeting the 2nd large pack
toxic gyro
Idk what’s the range on helm enchant but it pulled raal one time when I was pulling trash there
strong forum
Idk what’s the range on helm enchant but it pulled raal one time when I was pul...
you can pull things with shadowflame aswell
grizzled nova
IP isn't 55% absorb, they buffed the per-use IP amount by 5%
strong forum
wait REALLY?!
grizzled nova
yep
strong forum
no shot
tribal wharf
**DO NOT TITANC THROW IN GLUTTONOUS RAAL ROOM **
toxic gyro
Glad i don’t use shadowflame
tribal wharf
NEVER EVER
strong forum
went from 96k per use to 101k per use as soon as the updates went live
thats
im off my chair
tribal wharf
that was the fisrt andlastime ever using TT in a dungeon
uneven mason
5% more per cast
tribal wharf
not a joke
it was so bad i went to town to change or whateverimmediaetly efter it happen
grizzled nova
im off my chair
lol I mean I'll take an actual hps thruput change
better than 5% more absorb that does literally nothing
dusky canopy
went from 96k per use to 101k per use as soon as the updates went live
This is actually way better
strong forum
is it though?
dusky canopy
Absolutely no idea
tribal wharf
if i ever find sometihing that totally bricks a key
dusky canopy
tribal wharf
i learn how to not have to do it or whaevcer
toxic pewter
rather cushion attacks 5% more i think
dusky canopy
Yeah I mean prot still sits ip capped all the time right
So this essentially does fuck all
uneven mason
Yeah I'd rather actually reduce damage by 55% rather than 50%
jagged pier
I cap ip anyway seems kinda none buff tbh
grizzled nova
is it though?
Yes.
dusky canopy
Maybe if they did 5% to both we could excite
This seams irrelevant if you play well
uneven mason
So 0 impact change for IP and 5% more health?
grizzled nova
The only time the 55% helps is if you're permanently sitting at IP cap, which means you're already in no danger, which means it isn't actually doing anything.
More IP per rage actually improves your hps when you're getting stressed.
Which is most definitely better.
dusky canopy
That’s fair yeah assuming you are threatened enough to not be at the cap constantly
tribal wharf
how about no
tribal wharf
my greatest feat is still reaching final boss of sub terrania on hard mode that sega game i was playing
i died to him though
dusky canopy
Well Thukker makes a good point though if you pull enough in M+ for IP to not sit at the cap this is good
tribal wharf
its, you have to reach the final boss room and you can only die once every like 2 or 3 lvls or its all over
but if you reach him full cannon im told you keep cannon then cuz otherwise your loosing cannon (dps)
grizzled nova
So in raid this buff does nothing, and in m+ it does nothing
Eh, I think 55% would have effectively accomplished nothing, 5% more absorb a minor movement on the needle, a ~3% hps thruput buff, but that's someting, which is better than the nothing a 55% absorb would have given us.
uneven mason
Well Thukker makes a good point though if you pull enough in M+ for IP to not si...
I'd still rather have the 5% top end
drifting garden
Question about trinket: Not sure if 489 mirror or 483 Sandglass is better? - the other slot is the 476 Fiery Taint of Fyrakk
grizzled nova
I'd still rather have the 5% top end
But it isn't even at the top end, the shield just gets deleted faster, but if your IP is getting consumed on use then 55% absorb doesn't actually improve its performance.
urban portal
^
grizzled nova
A higher absorb rate only helps you avoid capping for longing, which again, if you're in danger of capping IP, you aren't in danger, so it doesn't matter.
devout knoll
But it isn't even at the top end, the shield just gets deleted faster, but if yo...
It does but just in more niche situations
uneven mason
Ok, so in raid, 5% top would be more impactful than 5% per cast. While being equivalent in m+
Since in raid you're looking to reduce predictable bursts
jagged pier
I mean i dont think ive ever stacked ip for a mechanic in raid
Its there or not
Usually its there
grizzled nova
Ok, so in raid, 5% top would be more impactful than 5% per cast. While being equ...
It isn't 5% on the top tho.
The total amount of shield didn't change, just that rate at which it gets absorbed.
If you get smacked for 1m damage by a raid mechanic 55% absorb or 50% absorb makes no difference.
You're losing the same amount of HP.
devout knoll
Deios tank damage getting nerfed
winged slate
It would basically just shift hps from raw healing to absorb in a situation where you didn't need external healing anyway lol
devout knoll
now that's the real buff for prot warrior
grizzled nova
It does but just in more niche situations
55% absorb would only translate to an actual HPS gain if you're bouncing off of the IP cap.
Which means your character is currently not in danger of dying.
So makes no difference.
More IP per use is just straight HPS gain while your character is getting it's IP deleted.
Which is actually useful.
warm plinth
now that's the real buff for prot warrior
Not wrong lol
dusky canopy
If you get smacked for 1m damage by a raid mechanic 55% absorb or 50% absorb mak...
Uhh did I forget how to math?
vestal moat
This is basically the same argument against soulmonger if you guys follow the VDH discord.
I am definitely happier with the stronger IP per cast.
warm plinth
Uhh did I forget how to math?
1 million damage is more than your IP. So regardless of the absorb amount, the same amount is depleted (because it's all of it)
So you don't gain anything from it
dusky canopy
It depletes all of it so wouldn’t 55% leave you at a higher raw HP number after the hit?
vestal moat
Also the free ignore pain we get from outburst is buffed also this way.
winged slate
It depletes all of it so wouldn’t 55% leave you at a higher raw HP number after ...
No, the absorb value is the same
If IP is 100k absorb, the mitigation value just determines how fast you eat up the 100k
warm plinth
It depletes all of it so wouldn’t 55% leave you at a higher raw HP number after ...
Assume you have a 400k ignore pain shield. You take 1 million damage. 50% of 1 million (old IP) is 500k which is greater than the 400k shield, so all 400k is consumed and you take 600k.
Same scenario with 55% IP. 55% of 1 million is 550k, which is more than your IP. 400k is consumed, you still take 600k
dusky canopy
Assume you have a 400k ignore pain shield. You take 1 million damage. 50% of 1...
I do understand what you typed out but what is making my brain fart is a larger Absorb size should prevent more damage should it not?
warm plinth
The absorb size isn't increased.
winged slate
Yes, but 55% isn't a larger absorb
winged slate
Although the absorb was increased on live servers
So that's why people are talking about it again
vocal flame
Twitter
winged slate
Cause they worded it ???
warm plinth
Which since both are higher than the theoretical 400k, there is 0 difference because the full amount depletes either way.
With the actual change that it sounds like has happened, you actually can potentially absorb more than before because your shield per cast is larger.
winged slate
Someone reported their absorb going from 96k -> 101k
Instead of the assumed 50% -> 55% change
vestal moat
WIth the actual change, it will be easier to have reached the 400k absorb in the first place.
warm plinth
Well, that could happen for a variety of reasons. It's not really definitive
dusky canopy
The ip cap didn’t increase just the amount of ip per cast increased
winged slate
Well IP cap did technically increase by nature of our 3.5% stamina buff :^)
dusky canopy
@grizzled nova
vestal moat
the cap increased but that wouldnt by itself make an individual cast go from 96-101k with is almost exactly 5%
warm plinth
The max of IP doesn't impact the size of a cast of IP at all. IP uses the same calculation as damaging abilities. More AP/weapon DPS = bigger cast
And vers *
Its not like e.g. shield block where 3 casts = cap.
raw parcel
Did the buffs end up going through?
uneven mason
Not that we'd notice then
grizzled nova
<@100704784209711104>
Sorry I was driving to work
I tested it with no buffs before changes went live, 96k, after changes went up 101k.
I suppose it's possible I had neglected to shout myself before but I have a big ass reminder in the center of my screen of I don't have bs
then that means no changes happened to IP which would be funny.
devout knoll
So makes no difference.
It's more I viewed as being super niche because, look at it, you're low health. You get it enough for an ignore pain, you end up surviving on extremely low health. It's not like you can't die with ignore pain up as far as I'm aware. so 5% damage going into ignore pain rather than your own health could be the difference maker.
Like I said it's niche, it's not exactly a stellar buff but there's situations where it can help.
urban portal
yes it’s extremely minor
knotty pewter
i read through a bunch of recent discussion and somehow still am left confused.
The IP change just means 5% more damage goes into the shield? Not that the shield is 5% bigger?
And the only reason my IP absorb is bigger today than yesterday is because of the 5% Stam buff?
is this accurate?
uneven mason
Per cast it's bigger
knotty pewter
hmmm, ok. i guess i understand.
and yeah with all things being equal it looks like my absorb caps out at 16k more today compared to last night. so thats cool (whoops 16k)
in anny case. i got rageheat today so i think im unkillable now. especially after last boss rise nerfs
dusky canopy
Largest pants
lusty grotto
dusky canopy
lusty grotto
lol i have myth legs
lusty grotto
yea
chipadin also got socket
2x sockets
DH got thorncaller so cant complain there
dusky canopy
Thinking it’s arms time after prog this week 
I might have to wait till Tindy dead though
I’m one of the top root damage with pre science as fury
Might be an int to change it up
bleak breach
I got myth track ring of contempt with leech so I’m happy
boreal pivot
what would you all take?
might of the ocean is champ track also btw
if that makes a diff.
Everything else but cape is hero track
boreal pivot
would pips be worth taking over might of ocean?
i figure not really
all the m+ track is mythic
boreal pivot
I figured.
Part of me is saying take the boots OR pants for mythic set
how much haste are we aiming for
torn gulch
yes 7.1k is the maximum amount
winged slate
Take notes
lusty tiger
lusty grotto
this fyrakk clear for sure
nothing dropped
i feel like its getting easier having absolutely 0 drops
like i dont care anymore i guess
waste of emotions just to rage over garbage rng
dusky canopy
Take notes
Perfection
blazing condor
Love group loot
opaque quest
I hate group loot with a passion. I remember being 15 ilvls behind everyone else during VotI because i lost every single roll. I had to wait for 3 Cata charges cause i won zero T items
dusky canopy
No way they switch back now though
lusty grotto
LFR at least could use personal back, but group loot is fine
dusky canopy
Essentially group vs personal is the exact same thing you just get to see the rolls and click a button with one of them
winged slate
Just give people the option to pick when it's their own group
You know, the way it was
dusky canopy
The only reason personal loot was ever a problem was because it also had trading restrictions
I’m indifferent about it tbh
Im annoyed at not getting the loot regardless of witch type of looting is active
opaque quest
LFR at least could use personal back, but group loot is fine
Americans and their wrong opinions again 
lusty grotto
i mean
id rather press the need button when something drops
than the system picking a random person
in ther aid
and giving them some garbage loot that they dont need
opaque quest
Na. With group loot i can go 4 weeks with no items. Perso loot was more or less guaranteed loot
lusty grotto
essentially making the whole run useless
because the entire loot table is rolled on
opaque quest
Just remove trade restrictions from perso loot. Problem solved
lusty grotto
behind the scenes
lusty grotto
opaque quest
Nome sucking dick then making fun of ppl that still have dignity 
Na just kidding. Where can i suck dick for loot just tell me. Asking for a friend
dusky canopy
strong forum
Not literally literally
strong forum
But I asked that legit question to get it and it worked
strong forum
Yeah totally flew to Portugal
lusty grotto
xD
strong forum
To get my trinket
winged slate
Hey man, sometimes it's worth it
lusty grotto
thats a hell of a move
opaque quest
Just use one of the bilion excuses for men calling it not gay
lusty grotto
true
strong forum
Too off topic at this point
opaque quest
20 bucks is 20 bucks
lusty grotto
thats not accurate at all
opaque quest
Are y ou the rock getting clapped?
lusty grotto
the unedited version is the accurate one
opaque quest
Cause youre getting clapped alot
tribal wharf
some bear in the woods, the name stuck like wild fire
lusty grotto
Who’s yogi!?
dusky canopy
MY MAN
tribal wharf
i just like to play my games lol
nothing too complicated, and if i die i typically get mad
dusky canopy
Is this asmon?
lusty grotto
as far as i know yogi ceased to exist
tribal wharf
true right
lusty grotto
this deathray guy is just his clone
lusty grotto
sorry, youre not him
dusky canopy
1998 RuneScape??
dusky canopy
11/10
tribal wharf
not joke, no EQ tho
grand veldt
It's game over for this meta
tribal wharf
i couild have done EQ but i didnt have it, i had diablo 2 and fallout and doom and quake
which, gee, i wonder why am doomer now
also dues ex
"why dont you try getting a job?"
tribal wharf
i never got past lvl 2 on dues ex
opaque quest
I worked 50 hours this week to make some cash and need to buy new headphones now because my dumbass ripped the tuning paper on my 770s
tribal wharf
i havent finished that game or invisible war, i got way through it
blazing condor
and giving them some garbage loot that they dont need
only problem is a) psychologically having to deal with FINALLY seeing your item and losing the roll to someone else - b) people rolling need on everything just to sell it
tribal wharf
invisible war wasnt as bad as ppl say
opaque quest
Yogi play some Monster Hunter
dusky canopy
only problem is a) psychologically having to deal with FINALLY seeing your item ...
People who roll need just to sell it are actual scum
Not sorry
Real
blazing condor
i agree its very leechy
my friend got pips and sold for 400k
so i mean if u want money sure
but still
opaque quest
400k is what? 8 bucks on G2G?
opaque quest
wdym wont be missed
strong forum
I bought pips for 290k
Then rolled on ashes cuz I was curious
But somebody wanted to buy it
So fuck it we sell instead
Also bought belo for 200k
Fucking steal
opaque quest
I had to buy bomb spender last season on my monk but i got it for cheap for 15k
blazing condor
i sold pips for 400k week 2 but i needed on it cus i wanted it
but wasnt gonna pass it up
tribal wharf
run dungeon for le epic ring,
it doesnt drop when u open chesst
bonus roll its nothing
sadness
lusty grotto
only problem is a) psychologically having to deal with FINALLY seeing your item ...
better than having no control
tribal wharf
minus 1 token
dusky canopy
Well right if somebody offers you big gold you take it
I was more meaning people who go in with the intent of being scum
blazing condor
better than having no control
personally i dislike it more honestly
strong forum
Nah if I don't need shit, I don't need shut
blazing condor
id rather just get nothing on the spot than get my hopes up rolling a 95
just to lose it to a 99
tribal wharf
that you got 1 bonus roll for a week or 2 of wait for it
opaque quest
just to lose it to a 99
True and real
blazing condor
I'm in raid to parse
just gotta remember to taunt on volcoross
bleak breach
How’s the changes feel? Noticeable for anything?
lusty grotto
for ants sure
dusky canopy
Zero noticing
bleak breach
I’m gonna die 5% slower
lusty grotto
no, not really
opaque quest
Na you still get either oneshot or you dont
tribal wharf
youre pro or your noob and thats just life
bleak breach
I know, it was a joke
opaque quest
youre pro or your noob and thats just life
Or maybe youre a noob but try to improve yourself and become pro
dusky canopy
Yogi has done a 20
lusty grotto
then he painted the wheel red cause he was done with the yellow color wheel
tribal wharf
accurate description of keystones
bleak breach
Week 9 of no Augury in vault sad
lusty grotto
but hes still turning around the same point
opaque quest
Trust. If i can do 20s you can too yogi
lusty grotto
"this channel makes me do things", no we dont
opaque quest
"this channel makes me do things", no we dont
^Can you make me do things nim?
lusty grotto
its reverse psychology mind control almost
opaque quest
Maybe its not his
opaque quest
Would explain why you think your mind control didnt work
lusty grotto
thats a fair and good point
tribal wharf
isnt a dh really just a dancer or acrobatics from dnd/ff?
bleak breach
No
tribal wharf
ive thought about it alot, and i think its true now
bleak breach
It’s a DH
lusty grotto
and he didnt have "a" kid
fair point too
tribal wharf
i mean they literal got double jump built in
that scream acrobatic to me
bunch of move artound crap
opaque quest
and he didnt have "a" kid
His mind control is like a gin and always turns around what you wish for
Dont have a child. Gin says ok and gives him 30
frail ibex
🙂
blazing condor
🙂
frail ibex
Fury main btw
dusky canopy
Stonks
lusty grotto
🙂
but why
jesus
why would anyone be happy about that
trinket does exactly the same thing as a adventurer level
lmaooo
socket > vault stonescales
opaque quest
We need to be able to buy tertiaries for the tokies ngl
opaque quest
i would take the bag of gold over it though
lusty grotto
how much is it? 2500 or something?
lusty grotto
You're cute
NO U
warm plinth
opaque quest
Remember to wear socks bois
blazing condor
blazing condor
ez
opaque quest
dog, its time for normal fyrakk
See how that mind control worked
torn gulch
I am still playing with the lfr one
next season one coin goes straight on the rageheart
blazing condor
You instead get to open another smaller vault
crystal iris
how do you survive spiders in stairs or BRH?
lusty grotto
dwarf
and use cds
you can pop rageheart
and it doesnt apply
and/or any full absorb
like coccoon or priest shields
crystal iris
can it be dispelled?
crystal iris
i almost went down in a 14 ever after stoneform
winter shard
what is the correct dmg breakdown for prot? most of the time for me it's SS/Fervid but sometimes thunder clap will be on top
crystal iris
thats how you dwarf it
i meant can it be dispelled by healer?
lusty grotto
SS > fervid > TC
lusty grotto
i meant can it be dispelled by healer?
anything that can be dwarfed can be dispelled
grand veldt
how do you survive spiders in stairs or BRH?
If you have rageheart or leaf of the ancient protector, the absorb shield stops the application of the dot
lusty grotto
including bleeds (with cauterize)
crystal iris
ahh kk
winter shard
thank you
crystal iris
healer was trash
grand veldt
If you don't have that a mw can apply life caccoon too
lusty grotto
like coccoon or priest shields
☝️
crystal iris
SS > fervid > TC
lol im doing something wrong then
crystal iris
tbf it was only BRH +14 up to the top of the spiders stairs, then healer left
lusty grotto
it isnt high, hes just not using everything else as much as he should
and hes not reapplying rend, which is why his fervid is so low
crystal iris
how is my TC damage high but im not applying rend?
also the boss fight makes more sense
lusty grotto
its not high
youre doing a comparison between bars
details pics dont say much
logs do
crystal iris
ill log a run later on
priest, hunter and rogue and affix was still going off, why healer left
lusty grotto
well its a 14 so 🤷
crystal iris
ya
opaque quest
well its a 14 so 🤷
Are you saying 14s should be easy?
opaque quest
Fair. Ill accept that answer
bleak breach
@crystal iris what talents are you running? Rend will be fairly low because of fervid bite. But also depends on the fight.
If you’re running double bloodborne fervid will often beat SS
lusty grotto
i dont think any of that has to do with his breakdown
rend shouldnt be fairly low regardless
this should be the breakdown
without logs, we cant really jump to conclusions
but my theory is that it has something to do with IP usage
and his troar usage
bleak breach
Who’s breakdown is that?C
bleak breach
Depends what talents he’s running I guess but my fervid is a lot closer to SS. But different factors can attribute to that.
bleak breach
Prot warrior tuning did go live? I had more health when I logged in I’m sure of it
knotty pewter
yeah, i also have more health and bigger ip
grand veldt
I had more hp but
I also equipped a 489 mythic shield
That replaced my 483
And it was only 50k hp
bleak breach
I had maybe 50k or more extra health so I think it’s correct.
shut summit
bleak breach
It’s not going to be a dramatic change when you’ve suddenly got 5 mil health and huge IP, just a little boost
grand veldt
Bro I love twitter
Like why is it giving me chronologically backwards events in my feed
knotty pewter
my only interaction with it is when people screen shot it. im regularly 8 hrs behind the news
twitter news anyhow
grand veldt
https://i.imgur.com/3IYd7r5.png
Ty
vocal flame
We taking a Mythic track shield over mythic track shoulders? I have the 486 dreamcrafted shield now.
Heroic track shoulders
dont have a mythic track in either one but not sure if a shield would be better here at 489 vs the shoulders. I am thinking the shoulders
knotty pewter
id just compare the stats. likely the shoulders are going to give more overall.including stam and armor
vocal flame
yeah they sim better too
violet flume
shield is going to give a lot more survivability due to block value
tribal wharf
i really was concerned when i posted that image u guys thought i just did some lazymspaint
the diamonds are copy pasted 2 in a row like old wow mountains, everything else rough copy pastes
mint pike
so im around 7k haste and 6k crit, do i go more into vers at this point or keep going until (or beyond?) the 20% dr range?
flint marsh
am I looking at this right? there are two (public log ofc) kills for prot war on mythic fyrakk. ever. 10.2 and 10.2.5?
That...can't be. can it?
shut summit
toxic pewter
sounds about right
opaque quest
Boss is rough. Dont forget that. There arent many kills in generals
Compared to Aberrus i.e
warm plinth
That...can't be. can it?
We don't even have the hall of fame filled yet. Not surprising. Only 155 guilds have killed him in general
knotty pewter
my memory might be off but i think sylvanas prot warrior representation was similar / worse.
violet flume
just curious, how much dps do you chads pull in atal dazar? I seem to be constantly at 115-120k range. got shit trinkets tho 😦
asking atal cause ive been doing it exclusively for my vault in hopes i get a hero track rezan lmao
worthy karma
Is there a list anywhere of what spells are blockable and reflectable?
timber nest
Anyone know why the flare bombs sometime dont do damage even when you hit roots/boss
opaque quest
@lusty grotto beat me to it. Because of you im downloading palworld. God damn mind control
worthy karma
Anyone have any opinions on a suvival focused build for smolderon?
warm plinth
No such thing as a survival focused build
worthy karma
fair
warm plinth
Also cat
timber nest
Anyone have any opinions on a suvival focused build for smolderon?
Why would you need that?
bleak breach
Heroic or mythic?
worthy karma
mythic
bleak breach
I’m not upto it on mythic so won’t give advice 😂
Id front load ip, spell reflect and def stance. Then charge back, SS and IP
But honestly I haven’t experienced what it’s like, nor have most of us. So can only really give theoretical advice.
worthy karma
yee for sure no stress
gotta go much further than charge
it chunks through to like 20% with spell reflect and LS
so getting back is exciting
bleak breach
Would be nice for them to give us some sort of self heal like enraged regen back. We really suffer on those sort of mechanics where we can’t hit anything to generate rage or heal.
past torrent
Losing Aug to an ele shaman hurt
remote viper
what is the best crafted trinket for prot? i have a 415 bonemaw's still
jagged pier
it chunks through to like 20% with spell reflect and LS
Its spell blockable
And u should use ls to get rid of an absorb shield
U should also IV when u get the absorb shield
worthy karma
yeppers
onyx musk
what trinkets do you guys use if you don't have rageheart? I currently have a 476 augury so i'll be using that as one.
blazing condor
I have brand plus rezan
ionic fern
jagged pier
blazing condor
too bad i got brand last week
feels like neck would be the pick but sims lower than what i already have
maybe socket angle
jagged pier
socket because neck is flavour pocket slot
ionic fern
Ain't nobody got gold for that.
quartz thicket
Being poor in retail ICANT
blazing condor
socket because neck is flavour pocket slot
i got it on ring
jagged pier
Ain't nobody got gold for that.
brah its like 10k now
blazing condor
wtf i paid 60
jagged pier
lul
blazing condor
52k on tarren mill
ionic fern
brah its like 10k now
I got 8k gold.
jagged pier
monka
jagged pier
true
blazing condor
he likes soup
gloomy vortex
U should also IV when u get the absorb shield
IV?
blazing condor
impending victory
gloomy vortex
Ah yes ofc
teal moss
How much is the gholak shadowflame effect worth? got a raid finder (463) one but offered a 473 (3/6) corrupted knot in great vault
blazing condor
gotta sim
pallid quiver
Gholak's bis starting from max normal ilvl, but some things beat raid finder level iirc
Once you get a normal Gholak, only upgrades are better gholaks
teal moss
got other clear upgrades so just wondering if its close yea
pallid quiver
since it doesn't give up stats for the proc
If you want to see how much of a gap, that's a sim angle
teal moss
also, whenm it says extra damage aboove 90% hp, is it ALL damage or just the effect
pallid quiver
Particularly if you can hit heroic
Just the effect should be, otherwise the proc would be even more stonks
teal moss
I juust came back to the game so not sure when ill clear actual rAIDS
kk thanks for info
pallid quiver
Heroic is fairly easy to pug as long as you do it on Tuesday
once you get away from tuesday, you get
some interesting raid pugs
teal moss
even as a tank?
pallid quiver
Especially as a tank
teal moss
guess I can make my own group
pallid quiver
It's easier to get into raids as a DPS with clears/logs people can casually glance at, and you generally also have more say over whether an encounter clears as a DPS than Tank
blazing condor
once you get away from tuesday, you get
or wednesday for non NA
or thursday ig for OCE
idk why they had to make the fyralath questline so ass lol
jagged pier
cause u got to work for it
just do a me and still not have done it in over a month
blazing condor
jagged pier
finally on the final step tho
jagged pier
300-400k
blazing condor
monka
jagged pier
time to swipe that card
jagged pier
nope
blazing condor
thats great
at least we get to do more superblo- 
blazing condor
i got renown 20 lol
made it a habit to do aiding accord + seeds/superbloom every wednesday
for whatever reason
jagged pier
blazing condor
i swear wow is the game where the people who play it the most hate it the most
jagged pier
yep
jagged pier
i mean blizz dont know how to do fun casual content because of years of forcing ppl to do content
maybe next expansion
blazing condor
jagged pier
blazing condor
surely
but theres actually loads of things to do in emerald dream
like plant seeds
and follow an ancient around
blazing condor
say what you want about "having" to do AP grinds
it at least gives you a purpose to do something
jagged pier
not really
saying u need to do x to get this thing that we balance around u having
is forcing
blazing condor
yep
jagged pier
if it was like u do 1000 plants
blazing condor
for sure
blazing condor
well if you do 1000 plants you do get cool mounts 🙂
frank obsidian
Whats your favourite weapon transmog for your prot warr? Trying to get thunderfury with no luck.
blazing condor
depends on the rest of the outfit
tribal wharf
ya
what he said
also i legitimately do not ever need to repair for gold now for rest of drafon flight
violet ginkgo
Whats your favourite weapon transmog for your prot warr? Trying to get thunderfu...
So far Quel’Serrar.
tribal wharf
too many good ones really
jagged pier
Sword/Mace for Alliance;
Axe for Horde;
wrong depends on the mog
ionic fern
You're not a true alliance.
jagged pier
i mean your not a true tmogger
ionic fern
Just because i use the same mog everywhere doesn't reduce its value, okay.
ionic fern
I got 2 bae mogs.
blazing condor
i miss my fish-mog
ionic fern
BRH set for red mog;
Season 3 PvP set for blue mog;
jagged pier
why not dreadnought for blue set?
jagged pier
because its bad
forest yacht
out of interest, why
jagged pier
we tested it along time ago, so cant rember the details, but the short overall version is,
having 2 charges of something, means u only ever get 1 extra charge, so you damage for 1 extra charge over a fight, a dungeon whatever,
we dont need the extra rage
and the other choices u have are just better
pallid quiver
The second line he said is of import, since that carries over to all other abilities, as well
forest yacht
I’ve been taking the aoe interupt over battering ram
pallid quiver
The benefits having two charges gives you is one extra use and the ability to delay a use without losing a cast
forest yacht
Am I losing a lot?
jagged pier
yes
pallid quiver
A non-zero amount, since it increases your attack speed.
tribal wharf
QS does go well with many basic bitch ''tin can warrior / other plate wearing class"
warrior and dk primarily
in terms of the quake games, dk's are upgraded versions of us normal warriors, thankfully not like this in real wow
jagged pier
just fly around and do rares inbetween
u can also do the same rare multiple times a day
blazing condor
yeah im flying around and around
hard to find rares tho
seems many ppl got their axes today
blazing condor
frenzies spawn rares yeah
hardy snow
dont forget to tag final boss in bloom, he also counts as rare for quest
blazing condor
cheers
jagged pier
u have to not be in combat tho
jagged pier
u just dont get engaged in the fighting
jagged pier
u get buffs its fine
errant leaf
Rares is the worst part imo
blazing condor
ive only gotten that one item once
the quest item thing
also you need friends for that 😦
jagged pier
this is why u join the random superbloom groups in group finder
blazing condor
true
restive scroll
Or an off account
wanton blaze
is the new IP buff increase to the total amount or the % absorption from 45 to 50? Iirc it's been 50 since a while
after all the S1 incremental nerfs I forgot if IP was 45%
strong forum
No, you can tag every lasher that other people spawn
So you just sit there and wait for other people to spawn theirs
blazing condor
hm oke
warm plinth
Did we ever figure out for sure if the teeny buffs actually happened
jagged pier
they did
strong forum
Happened 1hr after NA launch
strong forum
Yeah checks out
crystal iris
hunter and warrior watching casters heal to full in sanguine patches with their kick ready
my damage profile is still wrong, i forgot to run logs tho
didnt have it set up on new PC
I think im accidentally using my procs on TC without realizing, still looking at my action bars a lot
strong forum
Generally undersending SS/fervid
strong forum
Thinking ain't doing
Lotta people think they're doing the thing
But then you check back a log or a vod
And they don't do the thing
Same as I thought I was hitting MS and OP on cd as arms
Then I compared logs to good people
And I didn't
strong forum
How do i log ?
So, if you have been here for a while, you may have noticed that whenever somebody ask for advice we ask them for a log, and if you’re new you might have no idea what that means or how to get one so :
🔸 First, download Loggerhead (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/loggerhead) or ERT (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/exorsus-raid-tools)
Once you have one of these any time you enter a zone where you might want a log (ie dungeon/raid/torghast) these addons will automatically start logging (in the case of ERT you have to activate automated logging in the options).
Alternatively if you don’t want to install an addon for it, whenever you are going to do an activity you want to log type /combatlog in chat to start logging said activity.
Remember to activate advanced logging in the options (System -> Network -> Advanced Combat Logging)
All these options will store your logs in your wow file inside the retail folder and the log file.
🔸 Second, go here (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/client/download) download the client. Select the live section of the client, select the upload a log button and select the fight you’re interested in putting up as a log and boom you’re done.
🔸 Third, once you’ve done all this, your log is uploaded you can put it up here and we can look at it together to see if you’re doing something wrong.
crystal iris
oh nice, i was doing it the old was just with the command then the uploader
my haste is 3083, do i run HR or ItF?
crystal iris
21
strong forum
definitely HR
median tulip
my haste is 3083, do i run HR or ItF?
You can think about switching at around the 5500 mark
crystal iris
omg i think i forgot to start logs
ill need that addon haha
ok getting closer
but 20% haste feels baaad
crystal iris
ya
in Everbloom, is it normal for my speed to be reduced by 80% anytime im near a flower
jagged pier
well they give u a debuff so yes
strong forum
they give +dmg taken and movespeed slow debuff
hazy bronze
You can yell at paladins and monks for not dispelling you if you want
strong forum
avatar removed the debuff
so if you press buttons
you can clear the slow every 35sec
crystal iris
can all healers dispell it?
i dont think mine did a single time, used stoneform in between avatars
winged slate
It's a disease I believe
crystal iris
would be fine but with sanguine it sucked
hoary bough
how big does dwarf racial feel in keys? my war is a draenei and thinking of race changing to nelf or dwarf, slight pref for nelf, but feel like dwarf would make my life easier maybe 🤔
uneven mason
I mean, the dwarf racial has saved my ass more than I can count
plush tendon
how big does dwarf racial feel in keys? my war is a draenei and thinking of race...
its really good where it applies, but not necessary
hoary bough
i am either boosting a new war (since my gear is like s1) or race-changing my current war, which is a draenei
so it's a case of nelf vs dwarf
plush tendon
more important to like how your character looks then trying to min max racials imo
uneven mason
Especially when they keep throwing bleeds that just eat us alive
hoary bough
can also shadowmeld rezan's bleed 🤔 let the healer take it instead
blazing condor
had a pally tank bubble himself on the pursuit
or bop rather
and rezan just ate everyone
hoary bough
exactly
2 mins of trying to make a good-looking dwarf have settled me on nelf mommy
i will just learn to enjoy getting chewed out by rezan
plush tendon
blazing condor
racials in general is mostly for looks
back in bfa we had a #1 pwarr in m+ that was nightborne
hoary bough
back in bfa we had a #1 pwarr in m+ that was nightborne <:okayge:91764681251973...
just goes to show taste is +5%
hoary bough
Nightborne over Nelf?
nightborne have the best base looks, but half like half the customisation options that nelves do
crystal iris
do you guys all run Disrupting shout?
jagged pier
no
crystal iris
I ran it this morning and it was the best thing ever
jagged pier
comformation bias but u do u
crystal iris
well I found that I always had trouble grouping mobs especially casters
plush tendon
its a cool talent, but its not really needed in most situations
maybe in organized high key pushing it can be another tool to lock down packs
crystal iris
it seems to help so much in caster packs and even add phases in boss fights like first and last boss of tides
I swapped battering ram for it for now
hoary bough
don't think it has the range to be useful on 1st boss at least
crystal iris
well ok but pugs in 16-18s dont even have kick on their bars
plush tendon
places where its helpful is if you doing a big pull on the left side on atal
blazing condor
pugs just cant rly lock down shit tbh
jagged pier
okay that still doesnt mean its good tho
blazing condor
you do the first pull in BRH and them mfs just free casting
jagged pier
it just sounds like 'grouping mobs' thing u arent grouping correctly
i.e running to the casters
or inurtping onee
then moving to the other
literally never an issue
blazing condor
ye u dont need the shout to group mobs
crystal iris
okay that still doesnt mean its good tho
I mean objectively, its good. Maybe not worth taking but its for sure good
jagged pier
its not really u loose a lot to take it far too much to take
it
and its a 1.5 min cd
crystal iris
i.e running to the casters
I guess but when there are like 3 casters outside the pack and blasting at me and DPS i can only do one at a time
jagged pier
but u can stop all three
yourself without it
and u move on one top another
as well
crystal iris
if I stun them will they run in?
jagged pier
why arent u moving pakcs to the casters?
crystal iris
thought it had to be interrupt
jagged pier
i dont get it
hoary bough
if you have 2 casters split, you can kick one and drag it to the other too
crystal iris
sometimes ill run over, kick one and move to the next, turn around and the first dude is still far out casting
like the first pull of tides
hazy bronze
Like the packs before the 1st boss in EB?
crystal iris
ya exactly
I kicked the first mob and jumped into the regular pack, those 2 fuckers stood back there the entire pull
hoary bough
those packs are cringe if you legit have a group that never kicks, but you can only use disrupting once every 90s
crystal iris
right then u go back to the casters
80% slow from flowers didnt help haha
jagged pier
u have charge
crystal iris
but true, i could stoneform and leap over
jagged pier
u arent slowed in leap
crystal iris
i do feel more solid than in SL
Ill probably swap to battering ram eventually
but since I mean fury I havent looted a shield or 1H yet so im still using 424s at like 573 ilvl lol
hoary bough
if you have whelp crests you can craft easy 444's
crystal iris
so its not like my damage is really optimized
crystal iris
if you have whelp crests you can craft easy 444's
I guess I could, I spent a lot of crests on upgrades and crafted cloak and bracers
hoary bough
it's like 30 whelp crests per, and the mats are basically nothing, since it's blue stuff
hoary bough
you do need to find someone to craft it tho, but every blacksmith should be able to make them at a high level
crystal iris
ya guildies are great with that
annoying to enchant the crest first then a second order for the item
hoary bough
i am a big rat gamer, so i have to know all these things 
uneven mason
but since I mean fury I havent looted a shield or 1H yet so im still using 424s ...
Craaaft a shield
Just finish the ED quest chain and craft a 476
blazing condor
in group loot if i roll need on something and then leave before the roll is over, does my roll just not count?
rolled a 95 in lfr and wondering if i lost or not
uneven mason
It'll mail it to you
blazing condor
havent gotten any
plush tendon
thats a normal UPS problem
blazing condor
knew i shouldve went fedex
plush tendon
should get it between 3-15 business days
crystal iris
Craaaft a shield
Will i not be able to equip this if I already have 2 embellishments?
urban portal
probably not
crystal iris
Rip no crafted shield then
hoary bough
no
it's not that you're looking for
it's the blue stuff
you can add a whelping crest thing to a blue shield and it goes up to 444
jagged pier
U can also craft the one without an emblishment on ut
crystal iris
ahh