Like our spec tree feels fine
#protection
median tulip
Honestly if LS was on AM we probably wouldn't need to always spec for all the other SB talents tho
jagged pier
true but what are u taking then? cause u probs dropping the like repisal one as ED is insane
and then what do u take BSV?
median tulip
Class tree is better than most
Avatar is in the wrong place. Core talent for every spec, every build, no exceptions, and it's locked up as a 4 point spend past the second gate? Bitch, please
jagged pier
one of the bad rav capstones?
median tulip
true but what are u taking then? cause u probs dropping the like repisal one as ...
Honestly I'm talking about a complete redesign here, not just tweaking, so these questions might not even apply
uneven mason
And it works
jagged pier
like every other spec in the game
uneven mason
Like, what variant would you want on a tank?
median tulip
We have so many mandatory talents that we have less actually choice now than we did in the 7 by 3 days
uneven mason
DPS only have multiple builds if they need to swap for ae vs st
hazy bronze
I like having more toys to play with though
jagged pier
and we have that as well if u want more stops or not
or want spell block or not
in majority most classes have lots of mandatory choices
uneven mason
Like we have selections that work vs content
jagged pier
with very little variance
i dont know where this grass is greener we need more choices comes from
uneven mason
At least our mandatory nodes work for us?
winged slate
The more glaring issue to me is wtf am I supposed to do during weeks where there's dispels or CC in M+
uneven mason
Literally druid spending half their class points on stuff they can't even use
winged slate
That's a much more fundamental design issue than not having a lot of flexibility
uneven mason
If incorp was affected by ae stops we'd be great at it
But that's a design choice by blizzard to hobble warriors
warm plinth
I mean we have two options that are both accessible for incorp so
uneven mason
Only 1 is a true solution, the other is a stopgap
uneven mason
....
jagged pier
u dont need menace for incorp
uneven mason
When has shattering throw worked in them?
warm plinth
Since forever ago
jagged pier
just make sure they are your main target
uneven mason
Did I miss a patchnote
warm plinth
Apparently lol
uneven mason
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
jagged pier
cause they were like shit warriors cant hit them
torn gulch
3 min cd?
warm plinth
Intimidating shout is only 8 seconds though
jagged pier
then put it on a 3 min cd
warm plinth
Menace is 15
jagged pier
and have them spawn every minute or so
torn gulch
:)))))))))))))))))))
jagged pier
theres also a cast time
warm plinth
Yeah they spawn potentially every 45 seconds
jagged pier
u can keep one CC'd your self for a long time
torn gulch
thank you blizzard for making something with a 3 min cd work on something that spawns around every 45 s
very helpful
jagged pier
with good intuprts and cc usage
warm plinth
It should have been put on wrecking throw and then it wouldn't be an issue
Because you'd have one for every spaw
Spawn
I think besides rogue we're the only spec that can't get every spawn
Though rogue technically can if they run a suboptimal talent in the spec tree. Gives them blind every 48 seconds
hardy snow
just give us banner and make execute great again, spec fixed 
winged slate
If I can execute the dispel ghosts I'm in
lusty tiger
just give us banner and make execute great again, spec fixed <a:hmmNod:940376932...
Best take of 2024
hazy bronze
just give us banner and make execute great again, spec fixed <a:hmmNod:940376932...
+1
winged slate
Weren't there like 3 banners in mop or something
winged slate
I remember seeing a bunch on my Archimonde prog
blazing condor
but archimonde was in wod
jagged pier
archi was wod not mop
pliant trout
banners are dogshit for m+ cause you may need to move around but better than nothing
i mean the mechanic design is crippled
compact palm
He's in war within too I heard
blazing condor
isnt the legion just dead
waxen cradle
I keep going back and looking at the overperforming and "underperforming" blue post that Blizz made and I look at the trolling "buff" as blizzard seems to think they are giving us and somehow I can't help but wonder if the guy that made that suggestion got a promotion
blazing condor
like i know the whole "demons return to the twisting nether thing"
but like why would archimonde still care
jagged pier
well at the time cannonally we killed him in the nether
waxen cradle
Or maybe he got fired and now that its out, and its too late to take the post back
uneven mason
isnt the legion just dead
More or less , without Argus to spin them back out faster it's unlikely they could circulate l, even if someone were to take up the reins leadership again
waxen cradle
On the subject of the legion would it not be interesting coming up if the big smile Illidan had at the end of legion when he got personal time torturing sageras if we actually screwed Illidan leaving him there
blazing condor
i mean dont we have the entire pantheon just chillin there as well
uneven mason
I keep going back and looking at the overperforming and "underperforming" blue p...
I mean, blizzard constantly turns a deaf ear to what actually causes prot to be underrepresented, since it's utility based or damage based and not survivability
blazing condor
or whats left of thenm
waxen cradle
yeah and thats the thing I think the pantheon is going to be our enemies
blazing condor
thats kinda what its pointing towards
uneven mason
On the subject of the legion would it not be interesting coming up if the big sm...
Illidan is probably spending all that time draining fel from Sargeras
blazing condor
the whole "they only care about this timeline cus we got a titan baby in our world but when it hatches we're all fucked"
waxen cradle
maybe not directly but I think Azeroth is not a titan, but we have been helping the actual titans make her into one
so its not that they are our enemies so to speak, so much as we are a end to there means, its not that they hate us, they just care nothing for us beyond using us to achieve there own ends
and if you think about it when it comes to anyone or anything standing in someone's way to getting what they want, they would not see us as a enemy but a deterrence and decide to destroy us to get us out of the way
that is where I see it going
more or less one giant arms race is going on to see who claims azeroth first
uneven mason
We are life unchecked - we are to be eliminated
waxen cradle
and maybe that is why azeroth keeps blessing us as she has because she knows this and simply wants to be what she is
uneven mason
Rather life needs to be contained, shaped and controlled
waxen cradle
yeah agreed that is likely how they see it
uneven mason
But we've got a giant life/death tree chilling on azeroth now
We've got a giant fel sword needle jabbed in
jagged pier
what sword?
uneven mason
There's apparently a big light/void crystal buried under the surface
waxen cradle
yeah I get the feeling sargeras's play was if he could not use azeroth as he chose he would rather destroy her rather than anyone else use her, basically the whole if he cant have her no one can
uneven mason
And the Titans have been pumping order into the planet for quite a while
uneven mason
yeah I get the feeling sargeras's play was if he could not use azeroth as he cho...
His entire goal was to eliminate the universe because he's horrified of what the void could do with that power...big reset button
waxen cradle
I think the old gods was the voids method to try and corrupt azeroth enough to make her maybe a void god? and maybe that is still Zal'Atah's goal
blazing condor
void lords can infect titans and create a void titan which is more powerful than any regular titan
so sargeras got spooked and decided no life is better than bad life
waxen cradle
yeah that makes sense
the whole next 3 expansions I would imagine will be about the different groups all making there big play to claim azeroth for themselves or rather it is heavily leaning that direction
uneven mason
Obviously
uneven mason
Like metzen said as much
waxen cradle
If written well it could be a great story though
blazing condor
dont worry guys the void lords was just doing it to save us from what is to come
waxen cradle
a lot of the story lately has been in past expansions poorly written I sincerely hope that is not the case this time
uneven mason
If written well it could be a great story though
I get the impression that when Metzen got back he pulled a box off a shelf and inside was the story outline that he wrote before leaving and was like "You guys had one Job"
waxen cradle
would be terrible to finally get our "answers" and it make no sense at all
though metzen coming back does give me hope and it was a stroke of genius
uneven mason
Like, wow sufferd from having a misogynist in charge followed by a self inserting fanfic writer taking over
As much as people eye roll about the "Orcs and heavy metal" then that metzen runs with
It's what built the backbone of Warcraft
cerulean tusk
Holy offtopic batman, I was not expecting this when I peeked in 
cerulean tusk
uneven mason
Holy offtopic batman, I was not expecting this when I peeked in <:critcake:98454...
Or complaining about
The buffs we got
waxen cradle
someone queue the sarah mclachlan, I will remember you song
and a big picture of HS
uneven mason
teal swift
crystal iris
there are so many buttons to press with prot
uneven mason
Wat
I guess overall there a good amount of CD
But at our core rotation we have 5?
Ss TC rev SB IP
crystal iris
ya lots of short CDs between shout, shield charge, ravager, roar
like almost every class i get away with using just the 2 default action bars but prot spills over
uneven mason
Yeah I guess it just doesn't feel like a lot to me because muscle memory
crystal iris
also I have no idea what im doing just did a first key
blazing condor
besides the "core" you need ravager, charge, shield charge, roar, interrupt, shield wall, last stand, taunt, storm bolt, shockwave, spell reflect, spell block, rally, intim shout, execute, avatar, heroic throw, heroic leap,
uneven mason
Keep shield block up, face mobs, profit
blazing condor
etc etc
crystal iris
every pull i feel like my rage bar is pretty full, but if i keep revenge spamming in ignoring SS procs and TC
crystal iris
uneven mason
every pull i feel like my rage bar is pretty full, but if i keep revenge spammin...
Dump rage into IP
Not revenge
crystal iris
you need to start pressing ignore pain
good point. Was only a 7 so didnt feel like i needed it too much but i guess spending rage is better than not
blazing condor
you dont need to have rend bound since thunder clap applies rend automatically
crystal iris
you dont need to have rend bound since thunder clap applies rend automatically
everything on the top bar isnt really bound (or at least I click them as needed)
uneven mason
If SS is up press SS
If SS not up press TC
If SS and TC not up press revenge
jagged gust
It comes out to somewhere between 25-30 keybinds if you include consumables as prot
crystal iris
If SS is up press SS
If SS not up press TC
If SS and TC not up press revenge
even in big packs?
uneven mason
If you're above 60 rage press IP
uneven mason
even in big packs?
Yes
blazing condor
go look at the icy veins guide
warm plinth
The only thing that changes in big packs is that you can send outburst on TC instead of SS
uneven mason
SS hits stupidly hard
warm plinth
But you need like 7+ targets for that
uneven mason
I think it's like 8 mobs before TC overtakes SS in outburst
crystal iris
go look at the icy veins guide
Icy veins says AOE rotation puts TC above SS
uneven mason
Icy veins says AOE rotation puts TC above SS
I mean, you spend SS because tc can reset ss
dusky canopy
Mwahi is 110% accurate
uneven mason
But
You're still alternating the 2
With revenge as a last resort
TC and SS are a cycle
warm plinth
Icy veins says AOE rotation puts TC above SS
No it doesn't
blazing condor
Guides can be wrong
luckily we have Mwahi who writes our guides who's a frequent in here
uneven mason
Especially this tier
crystal iris
No it doesn't
warm plinth
The opener does because it is prioritizing gaining threat on multiple enemies
lusty tiger
My new computer owns btw people’s
jagged gust
luckily we have Mwahi who writes our guides who's a frequent in here
Yeah I'd say a good 90-95% of the guide is updated properly at any given time, warriors have it better than most in that regard
warm plinth
I'm not sure where you're seeing that. The aoe rotation is showing ss ahead of Tc for me
blazing condor
Yeah I'd say a good 90-95% of the guide is updated properly at any given time, w...
yeah i mean i know what you mean some guides are just very outdated
blazing condor
I'm not sure where you're seeing that. The aoe rotation is showing ss ahead of ...
you go to the m+ section of it
not the "multi target rotation"
warm plinth
Ah I see it now
warm plinth
Probably needs a target count specified for that part of the guide
Because TC is not an increase over shield slam until like 7 targets (less with avatar)
uneven mason
Probably needs a target count specified for that part of the guide
Feel free to @ mwahi on it
warm plinth
And that's just talking about damage, not counting the rage gen
grizzled nova
even in big packs?
More SS -> more rage -> more IP -> more fervid -> more TC.
uneven mason
That's if they have 4p
crystal iris
i have 4pc
warm plinth
Probably needs a target count specified for that part of the guide
@ionic fern re: m+ aoe rotation not matching rotation page aoe rotation on IV guide
uneven mason
Sounds like an editor problem
grizzled nova
This tier set is insanely good, everything feeds back into itself in the most ideal possible ST/AOE way.
crystal iris
anyone have an outburst WA for me?
default I cant tell if ive got outburst proc or just regular SS reset
grizzled nova
The literal only decision point you have in AOE vs ST is whether you want to consume violent outburst with TC.
uneven mason
Which the answer is almost never yes
grizzled nova
5+ targets I'll intentionally do it.
dusky canopy
When in doubt SS
uneven mason
Always SS
dusky canopy
You can’t be wrong if SS is available and you press it
uneven mason
I voted for legion tier sets for s4
dusky canopy
Aside from absolute min max of course
uneven mason
Always SS
grizzled nova
I'm gonna miss this tier set next xpac
hopefully it gets rolled into the spec tree
dusky canopy
Me too honestly
This has been a fun one
Haven’t been min maxing it since I’m dpsing this tier but just the feel of it from casual play has been great
uneven mason
Replace show of force with fervid
uneven mason
Agreed
urban portal
but it doesnt feel impactful
uneven mason
That it's dog shit
grizzled nova
I haven't used it at all this season
press revenge so little it never feels worth vs thunderlord dual dps/dr value
waxen cradle
I find it funny at times that we have a talent literally named revenge and it does shit damage
Supposed to be a cleave for us and the name literally suggests gaining revenge for a strike thrown at us, but our revenge strike back at our opponent is weak lol
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> re: m+ aoe rotation not matching rotation page aoe rotatio...
Cheers.
warm plinth
❤️
drifting socket
the ignore pain buff is that a buff to the absorption total or the ignoring X% of damage taken
strong forum
55% dmg absorption
urban portal
i like how they just keep tuning that number around
toxic pewter
nome u ever play arms pvp
toxic pewter
or consider going back
cuz ngl im having fun in solo shuffle
trying to get to 1800 for the pvp set just wish i got season 1' set appearance i messed up not getting it
chilly brook
@lusty grotto we should do more keys
Can’t wait for arms buffs tomorrow @strong forum
grizzled nova
55% dmg absorption
I don't even understand this change
doesn't this functionally do nothing if the cap/per use amounts remain the same
uneven mason
doesn't this functionally do nothing if the cap/per use amounts remain the same
Actually quite the reverse, higher absorb % does more, while increasing the per cast amount would do little
winged slate
It lightly increases our tankiness in situations where you can maintain ignore pain
If you were fully consuming it anyway then it's net neutral
urban portal
you will overcap slightly less
its the same vs tank busters because most tank busters full consumes it
its better vs incidentals
grizzled nova
you will overcap slightly less
this I guess I can see, if it's getting consumed faster when you're managing to maintain it then sure
urban portal
which is still a hps up
grizzled nova
I mean are we really overcapping in any content that matters?
It's still the same amount of absorb and it's getting consumed more or less on use, the hps should be exactly the same.
winged slate
Correct, if you were in a situation where you'd fully use up ignore pain before you'd cap it, it does nothing
The amount of absorb per time you press the button is still the same
We're also getting a small like 3.5% stamina bump? It's whatever
grizzled nova
The amount of absorb per time you press the button is still the same
that what I mean by does nothing, for the content I'm doing this basically moved the needle none
but more IP per use would be an actual straight hps buff
winged slate
It's an hps buff in situations where you would never drop the buff
grizzled nova
I'd rather have 5% more IP per use than 5% more absorb, is the point I'm making.
winged slate
But I agree with you that those situations kinda don't matter
I care more about meaningful survivability increases when I'm currently getting hammered
I'd actually like to see crit interact with IP in some way
winged slate
In what context?
crystal iris
dungeon packs, blowing all CDs
ravager going
like if I do this on pull, im mashing IP and ive got like 25s of SB
strong forum
correct
crystal iris
ok thats good to konw feels like im doing something wrong
by not pressing revenge especially when its free
winged slate
Revenge is just cringe and does no dam
crystal iris
like is it really last resort filler ?
winged slate
Especially with 4pc it's night and day
winged slate
Revenge is balls, the amount of damage that a well-timed ignore pain does is way higher
winged slate
Especially due to the consistency of fervid bite procs from it
strong forum
when TC isnt ready
winged slate
I often find myself in a rhythm of SS -> TC -> IP -> SS -> ...
crystal iris
ok well that simplifies it
ya maybe i throw out the free revenge from shield charge as im gathering
just for DW
why is my fervid bite so low
because i wasnt mashing IP enough?
winged slate
IP has something like 90% chance to proc it
Revenge and other rage dumps are significantly lower IIRC
jagged pier
so annoying when u fish for SS with revenge when u have a fevid proc
and revenge procs it
lapis breach
Did someone with a phd in dps write a thesis on ww vs revenge for m+?
winged slate
If you cast WW I'm gonna do a 360 and walk away
blazing condor
truege
lapis breach
and doesnt proc SS
So cos t31 and revenge deep wounds whirlwind is in the poop bin?
winged slate
It has nothing to do with the tier, WW just doesn't do anything
It's a filler ability that ended up in our spellbook on accident
blazing condor
revenge is just better
more damage and can reset shield slam
and we dont need 2 revenge-like abilities
hardy snow
you use ww when leveling and dont have revenge yet
lapis breach
Oh ok. What about that talent that increases revenge dps by 25%? I hear its not recommended. Why?
jagged pier
So cos t31 and revenge deep wounds whirlwind is in the poop bin?
literally nothing to do with tier WW is just aweful your melees also apply DWs so doesnt matter if revenge does it or not
blazing condor
costs more rage
lapis breach
Im gonna Switch to revenge 🧐👍
blazing condor
winged slate
You don't really want to be pressing revenge much anyway so making it spend more rage is not a good thing
lapis breach
Okay, where does my damage come from then? Ignore pain doesnt bring it. Atleast ww hits things on megapulls
blazing condor
shield slam / thunder clap / bleeds / tier set
winged slate
Shield slam giga
lapis breach
I know its shit, i will Switch away from it.
waxen cradle
when I try and figure out why blizz would have put spells like WW, and Slam in our spellbook for DF I am left with 2 possible scenarios, either one they were doing a massive reverse on removing useless spells from certain specs spellbooks or they were trolling super hard, if they were trolling gg blizz
lapis breach
Maybe ww is for filthy casuals like me
winged slate
WW is for the confused who don't understand
lapis breach
Who barely have a bachelors in dps
median tulip
Maybe ww is for filthy casuals like me
No, it's just bad. Take it off your bars, you should never use it
lapis breach
Thanks for your help fellow warriors 💕 our time in the patch sun will come one of these days again, I know it 🧙♂️
waxen cradle
yeah but buttons that do nothing are they really buttons if they would never be used or like I said a epic troll on there part I say epic troll
winged slate
Button 1 - Costs 30 rage, deals 20% AP
Button 2 - Costs 20 rage, deals 42.75% AP, gets free procs, interacts with other abilities, procs a bleed...
Why press button 1?
blazing condor
i cant reach button 2
winged slate
Move it closer
blazing condor
winged slate
This is like "Why don't demo locks press corruption"
warm plinth
Technically WW is used for 1 level 
Or no, 3 levels
From 10 (when you get WW) to 13 when you can get revenge
waxen cradle
Or maybe they are just that out of touch with the classes in the game that they think someone would ever be stupid enough to use those spells over actually useful ones
warm plinth
They exist because they're used in leveling.
winged slate
You could easily have revenge replace it though
They choose not to for flavor
¯_(ツ)_/¯
warm plinth
You could. The people using whirlwind and slam are not exactly people doing content high enough that it matters anyway.
waxen cradle
Still they are trap spells if you ask me, they fill a tiny gap between a few levels you pass so fast its head spinning, and trick uninformed people into thinking they have a real purpose
warm plinth
I've seen very interesting damage breakdowns and talent builds in 20s
winged slate
I think it's okay to not have abilities that are intentionally useless in your spellbook
warm plinth
I don't disagree. But Blizz can't win anyway. They prune, people bitch. They put shit back, people bitch
We're not the only spec that has this issue of useless spells in the spellbook
winged slate
Yup, primal strike and corruption come to mind
warm plinth
The best part is corruption has a cast time by default too
lapis breach
i cant reach button 2
Same brother same
winged slate
Yeah but you ever walk around primal striking as a resto druid Shaman?
I think that ability has an unscaling like 2-3 flat damage or something
warm plinth
Shaman you mean? :p
winged slate
Er yeah
warm plinth
But yeah it's pretty pitiful
I agree they should replace the abilities with the "real" abilities once they're obtained
warm plinth
Resto needs that 2-3 damage 😏
winged slate
This is why I get healers who don't dps in keys, cause they have too many buttons on their bars
winged slate
Primal strike is sabotaging me
warm plinth
Kek
west jacinth
blazing condor
https://i.gyazo.com/3878c5045e597afaa1f5f023e990447a.png
low brand damage 
what dungeon?
warm plinth
Must pull faster
west jacinth
+20 brh
blazing condor
gotta keep that shit up
blazing condor
im fairly sure you can keep it up in there
dusky canopy
If your healer is typing you can pull more
dusky canopy
toxic pewter
im too lazy to keep brand up also now i just use rezans or heart
lol
jagged gust
I'm so behind in DKP I'm never landing augury outside of vault sadge
winged slate
DKP? In <year>?
jagged gust
I said that with signet, and it happened, then I got it from my weekly, that was the start of this season's vault curse
winged slate
Now I gotta finally replace my normal Gholak...
dusky canopy
I’m going into heroic fyrakk pug this week hitting the boss once and jumping
Seems to be the strat for axe
jagged gust
You need to go back and delete all logs where you parsed higher than 70 just to be sure
The algorithm knows
uneven mason
I'm so behind in DKP I'm never landing augury outside of vault sadge
What the shit is wrong with your guild
toxic pewter
he didnt use enough dots on onyxia
jagged gust
What the shit is wrong with your guild
Bro there's an entire novella I've written in this disc of the wild west that is my raid team
Unfortunately they're all loveable idiots so I'm stuck with them
dusky canopy
Sometimes lovable idiots make for a much better experience
And you only get one life
jagged gust
Yeap, it may take us twice as many pulls to get a prog kill over the average but at least we can make each other laugh while we wipe for the 10th time on Volcoross
echo egret
Fyrakk Heroic : do the colossus hit the friendly adds in any way ? Or only the small shades ?
uneven mason
You know I always assumed that they did so I never tested it
I know blaze and fryak tank frontal does
echo egret
I was told they don't (on heroic at least) just looking for confirmation
ashen coral
I was told they don't (on heroic at least) just looking for confirmation
I know if you are too close from the spirit you can burn them but don't know if it is their attack or just the "radiation" they release
uneven mason
Probably the pulsing damage then
winged slate
I was told they drop a big aoe when they die which hurts the spirits as well but idk if that's fake
uneven mason
Someone scuff their hc fryak pull for science and let us know
hushed cobalt
why does 2p consuming deep wounds not heal through fuel by violence?
blazing condor
Fyrakk Heroic : do the colossus hit the friendly adds in any way ? Or only the s...
pulse damage
hushed cobalt
dang, i haven't played much and thought that would be a sizeable heal
hushed cobalt
looks like you can leech from it
winged slate
Yar
hushed cobalt
back to BV i go
hardy snow
but tier doesnt change anything about FbV, after consume you apply wounds anyway
cinder nova
FbV is honestly a lot less valuable in ST with how little bleeds are ticking relative to earlier toers
Probably works fine in aoe, but so does BrV
hushed cobalt
i was thinking that if FbV worked with fervid bite, that would be ~30-45k heal every proc. not a ton of healing but 2p procs alot and DW is almost always on your main target
uneven mason
Unfortunately it's a different effect and not dw itself when you pop fervid
urban portal
yeah its not like arms for some reason
uneven mason
Probably works fine in aoe, but so does BrV
Actually I'd think with the increased absorb value brv would be a good pick
crystal iris
So is the play to roar, then try and tab target around your fervent bites to consume the bleeds on different targets?
or can you just keep hitting the biggest one?
crystal iris
but the only bleed youre missing out on is the roar right?
uneven mason
but the only bleed youre missing out on is the roar right?
It's a lot of damage to skip out on
crystal iris
fair enough
and it eats the bleed and makes it deal double damage?
or double the remaining damage?
uneven mason
There's literally no reason to tab
Mmmmm.....
crystal iris
I dont quite understand the tooltip
warm plinth
Put it this way
crystal iris
consumes your bleeds dealing 40% of remaine DW damage
warm plinth
How much of TR's damage happens if you don't consume it with tier
100%
How much happens if you consume it with tier
crystal iris
why would i want to deal 40% right away instead of dealing 100% in the natural course of the DW dot?
warm plinth
100%
uneven mason
I guess you're right, for some reason I was thinking that you gained but it's just a burst, and makes you reapply dw
uneven mason
So it "feels" better but isn't actually
crystal iris
oh I see
I mean as long as its not like +100% damage
if it just turns TRs dot into insta damage thats not really an issue
in the situations where you would need to do that (things dying before TRs dot runs out) you probably wont have time to be tabbing around anyways
uneven mason
Guess I can stop tabbing
grand veldt
And since snap shotting is removed you also would consume the dot at × buff amount when you potion or have big buffs
Like if I have 1 second of buff left, but I consume a whole series of dots, it'll apply their damage at the buffed amount
Also for any curious, that helmet I had crafted the flourishing helm, you want to play with a healer that doesn't apply absorbs to you
Any time you have something that props based off damage being taken, you will get less procs bc absorbed hits don't count
sturdy beacon
What weapon enchant is the go to right now ?
median tulip
What weapon enchant is the go to right now ?
Wafting. Or possibly Sophic. The difference is miniscule.
sturdy beacon
Wafting. Or possibly Sophic. The difference is miniscule.
Kept seeing shadow flame wreathe and kk Ty
solemn current
Kept seeing shadow flame wreathe and kk Ty
Probably because it’s listed on wowhead as best ST and some people don’t question it. Can’t remember the last time I tried simming it ST but at this point it’s probably pretty minor unless the player isn’t playing particularly effective. Believe it wasn’t even an increase for me and it doesn’t offer any defensive value.
tired crystal
Min/maxing, do I focus on sims? Or do I take haste over crit for example (even if crit sims higher) for the into the fray bonus etc
we're talking sim +200dps single target here
toxic pewter
haste until you get to 7100
tired crystal
lmao okay
warm plinth
If you're going for pure dps then sims are going to give you what you want. For dps and survival, you do ilevel/haste
grand veldt
Idk the dif between the dps of wafting vs sophic
But I'm gonna try wafting, I'm more inclined to believe wafting will feel situationally better just because of it increasing your auto attack speed and helping you get a reset when you want it
Even if the overall dps could be slightly lower
crystal iris
how do you do the first pull on DHT without everyone dying
i feel like as DPS i get deleted
winged slate
Pop a cd if you get targeted by a bleed, use a heal if you have one to get topped up
Kick the silences
Use stops where possible
strong forum
But I'm gonna try wafting, I'm more inclined to believe wafting will feel situat...
Wafting Sims higher
Both in St and aoe
People play sophic cuz it was better in s1 offensively and defensively
But wafting was already better late s2
People are now mainly coping that a 900 str proc with 30% uptime will have any defensive significance this late into the expansion
drifting socket
55% dmg absorption
Thank you
warm plinth
thinking it does something
It does, it makes the number in the tooltip different 🙂
warm plinth
Have you tried not standing in the giant swirly
tribal wharf
ya well
i would have probbably lived it if the impending victory had connected and healed me
i hit the button 8 times, and i had 10 rage :S
hardy snow
dont jump like that, it makes avoiding mechanics harder
hardy snow
no, you died because you stand in sh*t
tribal wharf
well no crap
but on that key level, i could have lived that by healing
something like that happens on a 20 key and the entire thing is over if i dont hit corect button
lusty grotto
no, not really
you still died to the easiest mechanic in the game
20s arent a puzzle
especially this season
lavish sphinx
Especially on a Tyran week lol
lavish sphinx
But wafting was already better late s2
I’ve been playing Sophic this whole time, should I be switching to Wafting?
opaque quest
i feel like as DPS i get deleted
Health Pots are a magical thing in combination with a personal. No idea why most dps dont have either on bars
opaque quest
so i couldnt do IV, so i died
Goes for you too. Health pots are off the GCD and save your ass. Im consuming like 300 a week on my Prot
thin silo
I’ve been playing Sophic this whole time, should I be switching to Wafting?
Sim it and see if the difference is worth it to you. Replacing my soph3 with waft3 only sims out to 0.2% improvement so I'm just keeping the soph unless I somehow upgrade my Gholak
teal swift
Pwar be like
tardy lily
one day we will either get long arms or can use 2h+shield. i believe
strange abyss
do i still need spell block if i outgear the raid by almost a full tier of ilvls?
its an extra button...
also ive been told this is a tank trinket, is it? i have been playing fury
ionic fern
do i still need spell block if i outgear the raid by almost a full tier of ilvls...
Do you think you need it? Do you get wrecked by something specifically?
🙂
ionic fern
also ive been told this is a tank trinket, is it? i have been playing fury
It's a really good DPS trinket for tanks.
We don't really play tank trinkets, unless really needed.
So we can get away using DPS trinkets.
frank obsidian
Some advices for bettet aggro generation? Have some problems in 24-25 keys. Ty.
blazing condor
Also good for snap aggro
ionic fern
Some advices for bettet aggro generation? Have some problems in 24-25 keys. Ty.
Eee..play the class correctly?
😄
If you already play it properly, might also be a trigger happy DPS issue.
I had a Havoc who used The Hunt on mobs i tagged once to chain into 3 other packs.
And he just died and started flaming.
strange abyss
Do you think you need it? Do you get wrecked by something specifically?
idk i play fury lol
ionic fern
I /laugh and left.
ionic fern
idk i play fury lol
Well, idk if you need it or not. 🙂
In HC definitely not.
On Mythic, depends on the encounter/your class knowledge.
ionic fern
Some advices for bettet aggro generation? Have some problems in 24-25 keys. Ty.
Use TC early;
Use your CD's (Ravager/Roar/Avatar) often/early;
That's about it.
Assuming you're talking about aoe threat.
frank obsidian
I started tanking not that long ago, so already learning... Not playing properly. Yes im talking about aoe. Maybe some specific talents for bettet aggro generation? Do you play def stance on big pulls?
strange abyss
In HC definitely not.
On Mythic, depends on the encounter/your class knowledge.
im on hc
ionic fern
I started tanking not that long ago, so already learning... Not playing properly...
This is the build i'm playing in most keys. There are also builds in the pin's.
Defensive stance is situational - if you need it, you use it.
On key levels you are doing (24-25), you treat it as a just a Defensive CD.
If you're unfamiliar with the class and still learning, then there's no harm done in just sitting in defensive stance either.
It's just a 5% damage reduction.
Are you losing aggro at the start of the pack, or randomly in the middle?
strange abyss
i only did 98k dps on volcoross 😦
jagged pier
strange abyss
got from raid, good?
oh yeah i died to volcoross cata jaw or whatever at the end last few seconds of fight
i used defensive, took two hits, how does that work
ionic fern
Sim yourself.
frank obsidian
Are you losing aggro at the start of the pack, or randomly in the middle?
Mostly when i need to group 2-3 packs, should i use my offensive cd while im grouping those packs or when i allready grouped them for biggest dmg overall?
ionic fern
If it happens during grouping then it's a dps issue.
E.g..you run in, TC 2 mobs, run ahead to group more, but DPS go ham already on the 2.
What you can do to help:
1)Let them know you are doing a bigger pull (via linking MDT or typing in chat);
2)Ensure to use more abilities on the first mobs than just a single TC, e.g Charge-Thunder Clap-SS-Revenge and then move onwards to next packs.
frank obsidian
@ionic fern thanks for your tips. There is a lot to learn for me.
One more noob question here. If i use Taunt, does it icrease my overall aggro generation or only on that target i used it?
blazing condor
you dont generate more threat on your surroundings by using taunt on one mob
besides our AoE taunt the only other things that play into taunt are heroic leap that when used resets cooldown on taunt, and heroic throw that generates high threat in itself
echo egret
<@238357283996696576> thanks for your tips. There is a lot to learn for me.
Many, many DPS players also have a lot to learn about tanking…
ionic fern
One more noob question here. If i use Taunt, does it icrease my overall aggro ge...
Taunting forces the mob to attack you for 3 seconds and increases your threat generation on that mob for 3 seconds. So no, it's not a "Buff" on you that makes you generate more threat on everything, but rather like a debuff on the specific enemy.
strange abyss
One more noob question here. If i use Taunt, does it icrease my overall aggro ge...
all taunt does is make you number one on the threat meter
ionic fern
And increases your threat generation on that specific target for 3s.
hardy snow
And increases your threat generation on that specific target for 3s.
wasnt that removed in like BfA?
strong forum
Nope
For everyone, taunt is a threat multiplier while the debuff is active
That's why it's important to taunt a boss on pull
So your dps can go ham immediately
It's like a 400% multiplier
That's how a 80k dps tank can keep threat vs a 1mil dps bursting dps on single target
blazing condor
too bad my dps pulls on 3 seconds
used to get chewed out by my previous guild for reseting the boss when someone pulled too early - started doing it after cheat deaths/battle resses had to be used on the first 10 secs of every pull
but then i ruined everyones CD's by reseting
hardy snow
I like how Fyrakk punishes prepull
forest fern
Shield charge and slam are pretty decent even without taunt
tribal wharf
Goes for you too. Health pots are off the GCD and save your ass. Im consuming li...
i dunno, that moment for me was okay im done playiny wow tonight in that key
cuz i had hit button 8 times in 2 gcds but hit another button that ate gcd
placid oar
That's how a 80k dps tank can keep threat vs a 1mil dps bursting dps on single t...
Thanks for sharing this Nomeratur!! I had no idea, and this definitely allows me to understand tanking better 😊
tribal wharf
yeah
the problem is to know
you have to sink time into it willingly and alertly
you have to go over it so many times in practice or drafts to get to that point, that it removes alot of the excitement or somethin
i generally find keys easier when players play by old dungeons and dragon rules
like, the stay in combat formation that doesnt screw the rest of party, hard to explain
just like, im already worrying about route, mana etc, and then i got clowns running around pulling monsters we cant afford to pull, going wherever with debuffs, drives me nuts lol
opaque quest
knowing is half the battle
toxic pewter
thats me
crystal iris
I figured out whats wierd about prot
its a builder spender technically, but the spenders hit like wet noodles and the builders do all the damage
opaque quest
We dont have spenders
We have active mitigation not damage to get rid of rage
Apart from revenge but we barely use it
crystal iris
ya rev and execute
but youre mostly dropping into an already capped IP in keys anyway
opaque quest
I mean exe crits for around 300k thats fine
crystal iris
fair enough
ive just got to get used to it, still having trouble grouping mobs
coming from pally where divine toll interrupts everything and all the casters run in immediatly. It feels super hard to group adds from fights like the lade in Tides, saplings from DHT
teal swift
got from raid, good?
No, this is fucking terrible
uneven mason
I like how Fyrakk punishes prepull
You always know who pulled early because they're the one eating dirt where he landed
uneven mason
If a CR has to be used on pull
I've tried to get this point across to people who follow those fucked "at 2s start casting X" bits in their guides during prog
Fucking our pull for a 0.5% DPS gain
Should be an immediate bench
opaque quest
0.5% is funny. More like 0.005
teal swift
I mean, taunt when you see the bolt fly
opaque quest
^
teal swift
But if they pull too early, 🤷
crystal iris
i just stand to the side and wait for him to teleport before charging in
teal swift
If it's heroic, let the fucker die
If it's mythic, bend over backwards to accommodate.
plush tendon
Here are Augusto's rules to raiding in order of importance! 1) Dont Die! 2) Do Mechanics 3) Do Damage
Follow these steps and youll be playing for Liquid in no time!
uneven mason
1 comes from doing 2
Reclearing the first 3 tonight then back to council prog and 🦆
Maybe I'll get a mythic 2h finally
Is it now or an hour from now for vault?
plush tendon
Is it now or an hour from now for vault?
usually around 11
uneven mason
dusky canopy
Here are Augusto's rules to raiding in order of importance! 1) Dont Die! 2) Do M...
- do damage 2) do damage 3)don’t die
There fixed that for you
uneven mason
Right?
grizzled nova
servers are back up and neither vanguard nor IP changed for me
hardy snow
so this buff is indeed unnoticeable
grizzled nova
grizzled nova
nope
toxic pewter
Dev team has abandoned Dragonflight so not surprising
misty cave
abandoning expansions has been the norm since like, WoD almost now. it's kinda sad
i guess it's worth it? just feels shitty during the downtime
uneven mason
servers are back up and neither vanguard nor IP changed for me
Guess they saw us discussing it and decided to remove it since "warriors don't seem like they want it"
grizzled nova
I didn't want it, I want fixes to actual problems.
But I was told I was getting free buffs anyway, give blizzard
plucky idol
ouroboreal necklet worth taking ilvl483
maiden fern
did the buff wen through? still getting 35% vanguard
uneven mason
I didn't want it, I want fixes to actual problems.
If you want those you'll have to play a paladin
uneven mason
did the buff wen through? still getting 35% vanguard
Doesn't look like it
winged slate
Maybe the guy doing the changes didn't scroll all the way down
So he did arms, thought that was the end of the page, and called it a night
maiden fern
god dammit blizzard
grizzled nova
like how hard is it to just baseline shockwave
why do I have to give up capstone damage talents to get a scuffed version of a cc monks get for free at level 6
violet ginkgo
Noooo our small buff not getting through.
warm plinth
What are you talking about
blazing condor
idk didnt read
warm plinth
Still lists them on the hotfix notes so
uneven mason
at least it's not a socket
warm plinth
Nice
grizzled nova
Still lists them on the hotfix notes so
didn't make it in the patch tho
warm plinth
Are you sure they just didn't update the tool tips? They're notorious for that.
maiden fern
Are you sure they just didn't update the tool tips? They're notorious for that.
i am, had the same HP value as before and after the reset
grizzled nova
Are you sure they just didn't update the tool tips? They're notorious for that.
health didn't change
warm plinth
Meh oh well. Miniscule changes that have no significant effect anyway
warm plinth
Yes. No. Calling them balance changes is very generous lol.
odd flint
at least they remembered we existed if even for a split second, unlike fury
plush tendon
good tmog
toxic pewter
did arms changes go through did anyone check or ask arms channel
topaz wolf
check arms pins
toxic pewter
? I know what the arms changes are I am asking if they were pushed cuz apparently our changes were not pushed
topaz wolf
what you mean by pushed
toxic pewter
implemented into the live game
silk kiln
torn gust
hecc
toxic pewter
yea.. scroll up.. vanguard and ignore pain tooltips not updated and neither has our healthpool increased
topaz wolf
so you have your answer ?
raw parcel
yup, same IP has the same value as before the reset
So it isn't just me? The buff hasn't gone through?
toxic pewter
so you have your answer ?
???
maiden fern
jesus christ
raw parcel
Blizzard you sons of bitches how can you do this to us?! cry
hazy bronze
Never trust tooltips
topaz wolf
its up but apparently bugged for prot
toxic pewter
Never trust tooltips
dude.. healthpools have not increased..
its more than just tooltip not updated
raw parcel
That is true, I know exactly what my hp pool was, 1396. It still is.
hazy bronze
There's two types of people: those who can extrapolate
winged slate
and those who can count?
toxic pewter
no, there are two types of people in this world: those that put people into two groups, and those that don't
echo grail
Hey guys what happened to those prot buffs?
raw parcel
Blizz was trolling us.
Blizz was like: "What if, instead of that buff we promised, you bend over and we shove a cactus into your rectum?!"
True story.
echo grail
Been there done that
Maybe they decided prot didn't need buffs after all
And we're good enough as is
raw parcel
timber nest
I mean… prot was and is fine the way it was. The buffs only make us more ok
raw parcel
The buffs were a bandaid on the sad state of what should be the mightiest tank 😠
strong forum
We are really fucking tanky
The only thing we're lacking is community perception
And thus good representation
echo grail
Maybe we should be nicer to people
Then they'll be like "oh I was with a prot Warr, he was super chill and nice, let's invite this one"
strong forum
I've received 3 compliments this season so far in the 3 wcms I tanked
Doing God's work 🫡
plush tendon
WC is prot war heaven
echo grail
I don't care what their IO is, I tell everyone that warlocks are the rudest players and they will brick your key on purpose if you don't pull specially how they want
grizzled nova
yeh tbf wcm is the actual one dungeon where prot warrior may eventually be the meta tank for that specific dungeon
it's our nelth's lair this tier
hardy snow
is SR in wcm that big?
grizzled nova
two bosses where the tank is doing more dps than dps
strong forum
In a high key SR can do north of 30k dps in there
Especially on witches it's insanely valuable
Cuz those bitches are hard
grizzled nova
did 220k dps on lord lady in a 26 last night
plush tendon
trash is easy for war to deal with; stewards melees are piss easy, can reflect miniboss downstairs and maggots
overall, great dungeon for warrior
strong forum
its insanely good for us
just sad that the extra dmg isnt needed
and instead pally/vdh just more brings
echo grail
What if we had a talent that let us spell reflect the entire party
echo grail
Sounds like utility to me
strong forum
and spammed blizzard to nerf it
winged slate
Never forgetti https://www.wowhead.com/spell=172497/mass-spell-reflection
echo grail
Who would want that nerfed/removed?
uneven mason
It would get nerfed back to bfa sr
echo grail
5 seconds of SR with a idk 40 sec cd?
uneven mason
"awe, the little trash dude sniped the reflection? Guess you didn't need the damage reduction anyway"
uneven mason
Yeah
Tbh I'd love a node that let us block damage for people behind us
Combine it with splock
winged slate
Give us that old paladin ability that nobody took
Where they'd hold their shield up and create a disc bubble behind them
echo grail
Bunker: cover a 10 yard area for 10 sec, blocking all attacks against players in the covered area. 1 min cd
Or something like that
grizzled nova
just sad that the extra dmg isnt needed
even with the sr damage in wcm, we're probably still getting overalled by vdh
echo grail
Tbh I think every tank spec should have some form of unique group utility
grizzled nova
I still can't actually believe they added illuminated to the their tree and let it go live
tribal wharf
grizzled nova
literally just gave them double utility sigils and giga damage and said "this is fine"
tribal wharf
i want to hear protection warriors malding about which of the 2 shitty weapons i have and should use
strong forum
even with the sr damage in wcm, we're probably still getting overalled by vdh
well yeah
we're one of the lowest dmg tanks
no surprise there
echo grail
And what tier did people vote for?
grizzled nova
the best one
silent vessel
i liked the aoe damage in s2 :/
grizzled nova
being hard required to take a talent that you would otherwise never take in a row that is already very competitive for our limited utility?
no thanks
putting damage on the back end of a defensive buff?
no thanks
tribal wharf
i think i voted for season 1 or 2 if i was able to
winged slate
Clunky as shit and gives up a defensive, cringe
(Not a very good defensive, but still)
tribal wharf
many moons ago over 20 years ago probably banned from blizzard forums due to ????
grizzled nova
s3 tier is by far and away the best of our sets, and probably is competing for the literal best tier set for any spec in the entire expansion
it is insane how good it is
winged slate
I do wish that Fervid Bite was aoe though
tribal wharf
i emailed them about it a few times they dont wanna talk about it so,
winged slate
It's weird that it doesn't interact in aoe at all
grizzled nova
warrior as a whole just doesn't have remarkable damage or utility
tribal wharf
because of that, i have cant vote debuff
grizzled nova
but holy our s3 tier set is giga-omega-s-tier
tribal wharf
i can go on like starcraft forums i think maybe, maybe diablo but not wow
so, rip bozo
echo grail
I've said this before but I miss the tank tier sets from dragon soul and think they should do something like that again
strong forum
cuz its not apparent
grizzled nova
also more claps
this too
echo grail
Buff to player power and also provides group/raid utility by giving them a lesser version of your defensive
grizzled nova
the whole set is one gigantic feedback loop for both ST and AOE by pressing an off GCD defensive tool
winged slate
Right but what it does in single target is... the same thing it does in aoe
strong forum
Right but what it does in single target is... the same thing it does in aoe
thats good
i rather have a set thats more useful in ST than aoe
having an aoe focused set is awful
winged slate
It can still be that while doing something extra in aoe
uneven mason
It actually changed our gameplay a bit and rewards playing around the set
grizzled nova
It can still be that while doing something extra in aoe
how does it not?
winged slate
The ones it also does in ST though
grizzled nova
you reset tclap and cdr troar
winged slate
That's what I mean
grizzled nova
which is aoe
winged slate
The set changes exactly 0 in aoe vs st
strong forum
yeah thats good
winged slate
Okay well I personally like sets that do something more meaningful against more targets
grizzled nova
Okay well I personally like sets that do something more meaningful against more ...
what's an example here
strong forum
so you want a set that changes your playstyle in BOTH st AND aoe?
grizzled nova
because I don't see how this set isn't doing something meaningful against more targets
winged slate
What if you could fervid bite all targets at once instead of just one?
grizzled nova
then the set would be hideously OP and would have to be toned down which would limit it's ST use
winged slate
Not saying you let every target take exactly the same damage, tuning isn't part of the discussion
grizzled nova
which is precisely what we don't want
winged slate
But personally I'd like to see a better aoe spread instead of the pure funnel
grizzled nova
and how is fervid reseting tclap for more aoe damage not accomplishing precisely what you just mentioned?
winged slate
Because fervid funnels all damage onto a single target unless you're tabbing around
strong forum
but thats just the 2pc
grizzled nova
fervid itself does ST yes, but it resets tclap and cdrs troar
how many times
do I have to say that lmao
strong forum
fervid isnt the entire tierset
winged slate
Reading comprehension is at an all time low
grizzled nova
Reading comprehension is at an all time low
oh fuck off your point just sucks ass
echo grail
You're right. Using SS with fervid should automatically cast t-clap
winged slate
Nobody is actually referring to the point, they just keep saying "Yeah but tclap"
winged slate
I think it would be better if the major damage component was spread more evently instead of funnelled
winged slate
It's not padding when all the mobs need to die
grizzled nova
I think it would be better if the major damage component was spread more evently...
the set causing priority damage is explicitly better than fervid getting distributed for flavor reasons
echo grail
Ok. Fervid bite applies to the next shield slam or shockwave
strong forum
theres always a big fucking target that has to die asap
echo grail
There's your aoe interaction
strong forum
or has way more health
which always gets left over at the end
prio/st dmg is more important
than blatant aoe padding
winged slate
Killing mobs isn't blatant aoe padding lmao
winged slate
and also to stay alive, and to do relevant damage, and to help with utility...
echo grail
You don't need to busting all cds to be top of the meters to be a good tank if you fall over when shit wears off
winged slate
It's not zoomer mentality to say that damage contribution matters in all roles
It's boomer mentality to go "You are a tank, just tank"
There are more things to a good tank than "Did he stay alive and keep aggro"
echo grail
Every class, every spec has their own damage profiles
strong forum
yup and you dont want to have too many aoe classes or too many prio classes
thats why mage is so broken
cuz it does both at the same time
echo grail
One might be better at funneling st, one could be better at aoe, one could be good with priority cleave, or 2 target
strong forum
mage hard sends ST, which then gets spread into aoe
which is absolutely insane value in keys
uneven mason
One rotation to rule them all
echo grail
Tbh sounds like the bigger issue is balancing, because even if every spec of a role is good/viable, people will still look at who is in the #1 spot and want that. And then they don't give out proper buffs or overnerf
strong forum
blizzard buffs and nerfs based on perception
not based on actual stuff
and based on class popularity
look at mage and warlock
theyre hugely popular so they are never left to be just "okay"
uneven mason
It's why those click info graphs that wcl send out every week are detrimental
echo grail
Prot Warr t3 is good. Provides strong ST damage, extra survivability, and aoe. It gets an aoe buff, suddenly people want them more for keys, they look too good, they get nerfed
strong forum
we will see what blizz does with the set in s4
maybe they buff maybe they nerf
you never know
jagged pier
maybe they buff maybe they nerf
Revert vack to the orginial version
echo grail
And if they aren't, it's always complaining about how they both need buffs and everyone else needs nerfs
And when they are top dps, it's because "we can only dps so we should be top"
toxic gyro
Doesn’t matter if prot will do more dmg or not, utility of vdh and pally is dumb. They bring way more than warrior, dk, monk or bear
uneven mason
And if they aren't, it's always complaining about how they both need buffs and e...
Literally every class when they're not in the top 25%
echo grail
I guess I just hear it a lot more from those 2
toxic pewter
looks like the intern who was picked to do our changes said f it
echo grail
Almost every warlock player I know has main character syndrome
dry cobalt
Almost every tank I know has main character syndrome
toxic pewter
not me
strong forum
maybe its just cuz theyre a bad person
echo grail
Yea but that's OK because tank is a respectable role
craggy harness
And that’s why I went from my first character of warlock to prot warrior
dusky canopy
strong forum
pwar buffs are now up on NA
crude notch
Hello Nome, why buffs not in game, pls fix
grizzled nova
A tanks job is to tank
tanks are just dps who also have to hold aggro, everyone in the party has as much responsibility to "tank" the damage they're gonna take as much as the tank does.
crude notch
oh look
tribal wharf
ya, and so i have to run a 17 now to get a aspect thingy
crude notch
i rejoin the channel and everything is fixed
toxic pewter
the intern getting promoted
strong forum
xd
echo grail
maybe its just cuz theyre a bad person
True, one lock I knew kept complaining because the spec he played was below the other two, then next season kept bitching at one of our hunters because they played MM instead of BM
dusky canopy
i rejoin the channel and everything is fixed
tribal wharf
18s are just daunting for me
crude notch
Alright time to go get my leggo
dusky canopy
18s are just daunting for me
So is logging in
crude notch
Brew, do you have your leggo?
tribal wharf
if u rand with me in 18 wcm
ud say i did HORRIBLE
i know
id feel like i did okay
dusky canopy
Killed heroic every week since available
strong forum
i ran an amazing wcm20 today
dusky canopy
Still no wep
crude notch
Nome do you have
strong forum
yes