and I can't get a pug that has half a fucking brain
#protection
mental peak
pugging hc fyrakk is rough
opaque quest
Go with nome and dog. I think they did a run this week?
pallid quiver
Usually, for most pugs, it's Tuesday or bust
it sucks a lot if you work/are unavailable tuesday and what not, but
it is what it is
opaque quest
Agree. Open your vault then run. Everything else is suffering
uneven mason
Go with nome and dog. I think they did a run this week?
I'm NA eh?
does Nome play on NA?
uneven mason
yeah
I wish I was on EU
it's where all the action is
but I tried it back in like 2014 and my ping was in the range of 1200
unbearable
opaque quest
Maybe Nim is still running Fyrakk. I know hes on US
Otherwise i'd just buy a boost honestly
uneven mason
nah I'm legit only doing it for the chance at the lego
I've got AoTC and shit
I'm not THAT Motivated
for the 1/100000000 chance
uneven mason
I mean, also want a rageheart
full flax
hi, does anyone have any advice for living ancient protectors in EB at 25+?
uneven mason
What is killing you?
full flax
charge + melee + 1 tick of damage is killing our tank usually
uneven mason
gotta use CDs on the charge, would have to see a log
if its a warrior they'll want defensive stance + SR for all of them, be sure to keep rotating SW/Splock/Demo, pumping IP as much as possible before charge.
slapping IV jhust after would be a pro move as well
tacit smelt
Anyone know what the name of that boss spell queue addon that pika usually has?
uneven mason
ask Plka?
tacit smelt
He aint on
restive scroll
Meh, after blackfuse & klaxi, thought garrosh was pretty chill.
But I was progging 25 , might have felt different
uneven mason
lol man
Blackfuse
I had wiped the conveyors from my memory
thanks for reminding me
opaque quest
Blackfuse was easy. I played hunter there and just did every single band in 10 man
restive scroll
:D
opaque quest
Garrosh was rough because you didnt have enough stops for jade temple
restive scroll
Yeah, wasn't the same in 25
opaque quest
In 10 man
uneven mason
10 was certainly harder
opaque quest
Aye
uneven mason
Shaman\
restive scroll
Yeah, not really that problem in 25, a bit of organization was enough there
Klaxxi traumatized me
last mythic tier I progged
in 25*
uneven mason
the shaman on 10 stopped us for a solid 3 weeks
restive scroll
Same, and agreed
restive scroll
First real issue was malkorok
opaque quest
restive scroll
But then again, we didn't do a great rank anyway, so maybe not relevant
opaque quest
I hated malkorok
opaque quest
Cant wait for MoP classic ngl
restive scroll
Yeah, vengeance
Our prot warrior was first dps on the garrosh 25 hc kill
(I was playing fury in raid, all tanks in CM)
opaque quest
Yeah, vengeance
Was trying to say because of vengeance yeah. Wild passive
Just checked. Sadly all the MOP logs are gone
restive scroll
That was fun.
Taking more damage just to get more damage
IMO that was a great mechanic
Making you take real choices
"Can I handle this, and if so, is that worth it"
opaque quest
Yeah defo, would encourage all the slow tanks to pull a bit more too
restive scroll
a different way to see tanking
And environment
"How much useless damage can I take"
opaque quest
Our prot stood in the fire on the sides until we pulled garrosh 
Next to me but i only did it for rage since i played fury
Just had a thought if we got vengeance back. Imagine all the healers complain and leave keys because they cant keep up because they got so used to just being bots that dont do anything in low to medium high keys
restive scroll
Just had a thought if we got vengeance back. Imagine all the healers complain an...
One can dream
restive scroll
Next to me but i only did it for rage since i played fury
Couldn't do that, got yield at if we did weird stuff
Like I had a rogue complain to me because I had bladestorm while he was inge duty, so he couldn't dps
And bladestorm was kinda great for MC and a few other stuff too
I liked Garrosh as fury, that was chill
Or maybe it was because Klaxxi was so horrible, making him look chill in comparison
uneven mason
Or maybe it was because Klaxxi was so horrible, making him look chill in compari...
probably this
opaque quest
I dont remember Klaxxi being so rough
But i played arms and just enjoyed sweeping strikes with my brain turned off
pallid quiver
korven the prime scary
he stunned you and then beat the shit out of you
i can't block while stunned, boss ;-;
dusky sentinel
Hey guys, Can we have to much haste? Like. Do u go any other stat at some point, im at 7k unbuffed
opaque quest
You get to 7101 haste as closely as you can then you take whatever the robot tells you to take for the most dmg. Defensively all stats are so close together that it doesnt matter
plucky idol
kk ty
restive scroll
I dont remember Klaxxi being so rough
There was a very wide gap in that tier between 10 and 25, might be why.
I think i recall blackfuse being worse in 10, and klaxi in 25.
But it's been a decade
waxen frigate
guys i have an important announcement
the canned fish saga has come full circle
this just showed up in my YT recommended
is it time for a sequel
who even started that shit was it @proper roost
opaque quest
Asking someone if he enjoys canned fish is like asking someone if he enjoys music
proper roost
i've also been really into buying bags of frozen peas at the store lately
You can throw it in literally anything and its a bunch of extra protein and fiber and low cal, ezpz
opaque quest
This you?
waxen frigate
i've also been really into buying bags of frozen peas at the store lately
Frozen peas x canned fish?
opaque quest
I don't even like peas
I could kill for some bacon with egg rn
opaque quest
Just recheck the fridge every 2 minutes. Maybe something cooks itself
So far it hasnt worked but im hoping
teal swift
I don't have energy to get out of bed either
wooden trail
is still possible to take the different trasmo for the legion artifact?
opaque quest
Extrapolating from your sentence i assume you want to know if you can still get different skins and tints for the legion artifact? If so yes, except for the mage tower
wooden trail
i wanted the worldbreaker one :C
opaque quest
Oh yeah its obtainable. Just check the cave each day
Took me a few weeks. Dunno if they increased the chance for it to appear
opaque quest
Mage tower is the flail with the oink oink shield
pale karma
To people who want the mage tower appearances, Blizzard says f you, get a time machine. 🤷🏻♂️
Though the argument against Blizzard making those available again is also valid - they should just be adding new stuff that's just as cool looking.
wooden trail
Took me a few weeks. Dunno if they increased the chance for it to appear
i do actually have to do all this everyday or i can just go to the cave?
opaque quest
Do step 1-4 once
Then just check cave every day
Tho artifact knowledge is gone so 2-4
wooden trail
alright thanks
pure fog
Though the argument against Blizzard making those available again is also valid ...
They brought it back but only for the Druid form lol
teal swift
They brought it back but only for the Druid form lol
To be fair, it was a unique form, and it left a really bad taste not being able to get it, so they recoloured it
And re released it
A druid form is different than a weapon appearance.
But really, it's so much uglier than the original, they atleast got the aurostor appearance now
teal swift
Okay true, but the model is nice
orchid mural
grr, start the week with a 26 WM, which i have already. fail it, time the 25, get a 26 BRH, which i have already, time it, get a 27 WM. grr!
cant get into decent groups of keys that i need cuz of being warrior tank.
really hate how there is a tank meta, whether it's true or not, the perception is real.
#frustrated
lusty tiger
grr, start the week with a 26 WM, which i have already. fail it, time the 25, ge...
im looking for a tank to climb with
3100 healer
bleak breach
question guys
mythic
Gnarlroot should i ever get double stack of dreadfire barrage or is my OT missing taunts?
median tulip
Gnarlroot should i ever get double stack of dreadfire barrage or is my OT missin...
On Mythic he can send you to 10 stacks. He doesn't always. Best practice on mythic is to only tank swap when the stacks drop off, instead of right after the channel.
hollow sun
Does spell block works on the dot of the spiders in BRH?
vocal nimbus
Last time i checked it didnt
teal swift
Does spell block works on the dot of the spiders in BRH?
it doesn't do anything.
It doesn't prevent application of debuffs.
It doesnt block dot ticks
The damage is dealt in the form of a damage over time debuff.
So regardless of it works or not, there's nothing to block
hollow sun
it doesn't do anything.
It doesn't prevent application of debuffs.
It doesnt bl...
Yeah I was thinking the same cause a guy said that it did. So I was having a "am i disabled for never using it there?" moment 
bleak breach
okay thanks guys, just got trucked by it a few times and was curious if it was missed taunts or not
hollow sun
okay thanks guys, just got trucked by it a few times and was curious if it was m...
It could be since when healing I see a lot of DPS getting stacks as well 
spare abyss
Cool, would something similar be ok for classic wow you think?
I play on a handheld and Im having difficulties being fast enough to swap bars and what not.
vocal nimbus
cant wait to get myself a nice 5% stamina bonus 
violet ginkgo
I mean it's a free priest buff level so not bad
blazing condor
the biggest part of the buff is that we dont need a priest now
violet ginkgo
Yeah true, it's not like the priest will PI us anyway right even if they are there
opaque quest
Cool, would something similar be ok for classic wow you think?
I play on a hand...
Isnt classic already 1 button? 
Also idk how much blizz cares but automating gameplay is against the ToS
blazing condor
im just curious how dixon managed to dig up a 1 year old message
opaque quest
Classic Andys live in the past
blazing condor
opaque quest
spare abyss
Isnt classic already 1 button? <:FingerGuns:1194196678316675153>
Is it? Im only level 20 so I dont know haha
spare abyss
im just curious how dixon managed to dig up a 1 year old message
Oh! Well. I did a search on discord "gse" and I saw it. I didnt notice it was a year old 😅
I actually got this discord by searching for gse warrior, I thought this was the place to ask gse specific things
blazing condor
this is the server for warriors playing wow
mostly retail
so its just warrior related stuff
spare abyss
I see!
I might need that aswell 😅 i want to tank but no really know how. Havent played since well over 15 years.
blazing condor
well then youre in the right place at least
although it'd be easiest to start off by reading the written guides like on IcyVeins or Wowhead
spare abyss
Oh, in terms of talents and items i think I got a grip on
But ive seen very few guides go into rotation
spare abyss
Wow! Thanks a bunch! Cant believe I missed those. I can swear I was used google for an hour yesterday!
blazing condor
wonder how many times in wow history those 9,999,999g auctions of gray items have actually sold
(unless its for gold buying)
blazing condor
on retail people got hella money - goldcap is also 9,999,999
there's a "black market" auction house that sell rare items like mounts and stuff that are no longer obtainable
old naxx t3 and stuff
things usually tend to go for goldcap if its rare enough
tribal wharf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7DmSETuCwo
but yogi you arent allowed to post videos here randomly
fuck you
deletes my video
spare abyss
on retail people got hella money - goldcap is also 9,999,999
Shit. Is it easy to get gold thought? Or is it only for those that have played several years?
sudden grotto
easy is always relative
u can easily boost or play the auction house if u put enough time commitment and are good at it u make gold faster
spare abyss
I see
blazing condor
Shit. Is it easy to get gold thought? Or is it only for those that have played s...
ive been playing more or less since cata and i dont think ive ever had (at a given moment) more than 1m gold
but i never put in the work really
as krathus said a lot of people spend their time gold-farming and putting in hours to boost others
jagged pier
how did t3 cost u 4mil
strong forum
Buying the individual pieces from the AH instead of naxx grind
blazing condor
couldve been before the new naxx was a thing
covert flower
Have a kinda average geared prot warrior it's like low 460s and I was getting absolutely shit on by grip on DHT 2nd boss
Is that normal?
Uh key level was like a 19 so not even big either
blazing condor
its one of the more difficult bosses for pwarrs but its easy if you know what to do
which is basically just rotate defensives correctly
its all nature damage
so spell reflect/spell block helps mitigate
covert flower
Yeah so reflect is huge
blazing condor
you should be able to wall like every other grip
reflect for every
you can also leap away from the nightmare breath so you dont take any damage from it
covert flower
Still felt like the dmg was really high, maybe I could have built more ignore pain going into the grips or something
Yeah I leap the breaths
covert flower
Yeah yeah I know all that, maybe the healer was struggling
Didn't assume and just thought it was a me thing
blazing condor
well many pwarrs have asked the same thing in here
just gotta rotate defensives
and i mean having a good healer helps too ofc
covert flower
Yeah I had a rsham might have been better with a disc or something
strong forum
Disc can PS you on 2nd and 4th grip if need be
Rsham can just spam you with healing surge so shouldn't have been that bad
You can also still attack the boss whilst in grip
So make sure you pop last stand, impending victory
And send an outburst for more rage gen aswell
You should also have demo shout for every single grip ready
If you hold it for grip
covert flower
Probably was just me being caught off guard. I've always dpsed and it was the first time I've tanked in there close to a 20 so I never really even thought about the damage it does before
covert flower
Same thing happened with Rezan I always just dpsed on my hunter in like 25s and thought it was a free afk boss for tank
Didn't know the bleed DESTROYS
blazing condor
semi related quesiton but has rezan always targeted the furthest away person for the pursuit
i know its not a 100% thing but you can always get it on you if you're furthest away
covert flower
Oh 1 other question, regarding Goliath in WCM
What's the idea with pwarr, should we be burning the stacks off or just facetanking
strong forum
If you can kill the boss before you need to reset, no point in resetting
Highest I've done a no reset was 24 with a pug
But you can go higher
But usually for high keys, you just reset at ~30-33 stacks
covert flower
Just was curious I've only done a 19 in there and I'm gonna be pushing up to that range when I can and was just wondering if we're like capable I guess
strong forum
After 3rd spike
Like everyone else
Just for consistency reasons
Pwar is insanely good at facetanking Goliath
covert flower
Yeah it's all physical blockable shit right
strong forum
So if your group has big dam, you can get away with only resetting once or not at all
It's basically only auto attacks
covert flower
Crush never makes my health move
strong forum
The "crush" cast is only like 5% stronger than a normal auto attack
strong forum
Yeah, that's fucky
Taunt/heroic throw ranged adds
And leap to them if they need interrupt
And run back into boss
covert flower
Like I save ravager for one set, I use aoe interrupt taunt for another, do I just need to rely on like ranged kicks?
Or that a melee runs to one and picks it up for me
strong forum
I wouldn't save Ravager for them
covert flower
It always seems a bit clusterfucky
strong forum
But yeah the adds can be real cringe
That's a get threat and hope range interrupt, or send stormbolt
covert flower
My bud I run with on my hunter just cheeses it because he's a DH and I'm sitting here like
Nice man, must be nice
covert flower
Cheers for the info, honestly loving pwarr it's actually so fun
It's so satisfying mass pulling and just feeling like a complete brick wall to melees
waxen frigate
but yogi you arent allowed to post videos here randomly
Ban evading yogi??
tribal wharf
no
i literally went over this
not my fault if anyone didnt read what i posted
i said on multiple ocassions,
on both accounts
this is what i had intended to do
and i laid out why
so, don't even.
cuz somone here will know that shit is disingenous comment
about im trying to fucking ban evade
besides wouldnt i have to already be banned to evade the ban
opaque quest
how did t3 cost u 4mil
Day one pieces from the AH. I tried the naxx grind on like 50 chars and got zero items
jagged pier
That literally cant be i did it on 30 and got 4
jagged pier
Well 3 discounted bracers
blazing condor
pog
pine summit
Hello fellow prots. May I ask You about some issue? And probably a tip about specyfic dung boss as well. It's not in FAQ. My issue is multi target aggrro. Especially with WW monk or Havoc. I use avatar-empowered clap + roar but without ravager / shield charge they keep stealing aggro from me. Taking about pure skill usage, without mentioning trinkets. WW is so horrible that I am able to lose aggro on heavy pull let's say "EB" even with the help of TOT from rog.
And about this dung boss, do You have any working way to survive Deios from rize? On tyra weeks 26+ I don't know how to survive without procking cheat death trink. What's the worst it procs most offten on 1st or 2nd add.
strong forum
Sw first breath + add, then you should be able to leap the 2nd breath breath as you're running towards 2nd add
Should be able to leap the breath on your way to the double adds and then survive there with spellblock
And p2 should just be fine to live
Threat I personally haven't had issues with yet in keys
U use aoe taunt rotationally and when you have your offensive cds ready it should be impossible to lose threat
And given that TR is only a 1min cd
pine summit
Thanks! That actually instantly solved my problem.
strong forum
You should have it for every single pull
toxic pewter
ive never lost threat when I have used thunderous roar..
that ability alone solidifies threat
pine summit
And I don't normally use aoe taunt to taunt
Sadly I mostly use it to group up cursed casters
pine summit
With aoe taunt avaible it's simple but I struggle during those "smaller" pulls
strong forum
You have sc and roar for every pull
pine summit
Without CDs, when DDs aren't giving me even a single gcd
pine summit
I mean I charge with SC and clap, but havoc at the same time just goes in with fel rush empowered by aura
And... dies
strong forum
Hm
Haven't had that issue idk
What's your general overall dmg look like
Or do you have any logs
pine summit
Nope my wooden calculator was crushing while I was logging, but overall ranges around 130-160k
Depends if I go with augury or cheat death trink
strong forum
With or without Aug in group
pine summit
Without
strong forum
Well wcm depends how well you abuse SR
pine summit
And how well dds can read "don't kick big one"
strong forum
My best in WCM was I believe 200k?
Can't remember if Aug was in there or not
Don't think it was
pine summit
When pull is going for a few sec I don't struggle at all
But during those first few GCDs
Like 1-3
strong forum
Yeah that's normal that stuff can be dicey
Doesn't help that thunderclap hits for 10k
🙂
strong forum
Yeah like they're stupid if they think 1 gcd is enough to just be able to fullsend
Especially ret/fury/havoc
pine summit
Oh god
strong forum
They pump out like 2mil dps in the first 3 globals
strong forum
Wtf do they think is gonna happen when all the tank could do was tc
Sure as shit ain't sending wake
pine summit
I have this one DH
That was arguing with me about aggro generation
He said that TC (single TC without multiple bleed ticks) generates more than avatar + roar + ravager (1 tick)
strong forum
pine summit
And I just. Couldn't
pine summit
Especially that fel rush is uncapped
strong forum
There are no hidden multipliers on different abilities
Other than heroic throw or throw glaive
That's it
Nothing else
Okay well taunt
pine summit
And that argue was happening on fall when I tried to gather double dragon
strong forum
But everyone should know that
pine summit
And this talent "Tough as nails" has "Generates high threat" in decs
strong forum
And that argue was happening on fall when I tried to gather double dragon
That's a tc + revenge angle
pine summit
But let's be honest this is a dead talent
pine summit
It could scale godly, but it takes away spell block xd
strong forum
It still does the same dmg as it did in season 1
Well spellblock you can arguable not play in a handful of keys
Brh, wcm and Atal mainly
It's practically worthless in those
strong forum
For what, witches?
pine summit
When I pull out huge amount of larvas
strong forum
Eh
Shockwave-> spellreflect
Into sw while running away
And then los
And then they don't go onto you anymore anyway
pine summit
Yeah but I mean like all this corridor, not a normal scenario
pine summit
And true in AD and BRH I'd rather take bloodsurge > sb
pine summit
Isn't that build without disrupting?
pine summit
Honestly I use it in every single dung.
On pug that is when I can't just asign kick order
strong forum
So you give up 7-12% rage gen, to get 1 extra kick on a 1.5min cd or give up like 8k ST dps +extra rage gen
silent vessel
have automarker and tell your pugs the signs to kick
strong forum
In a super coordinated group who pulls super big I could see aoe interrupt see mileage
For an extra stop in like throne and EB
But outside of that?
Hardly worth the cost if you ask me
pine summit
I mean
tribal wharf
what happens if you reflect the maggot
pine summit
I don't wwant to argue
tribal wharf
doesnt it instantly blow up?
strong forum
No it's like 20% of the maggots hp
pine summit
But I just dunno on 90% of my keys
strong forum
Maybe 30, haven't paid too close attention
pine summit
I make as many kicks as rest of group
tribal wharf
oh, okay, that would explain it
pine summit
Combined
tribal wharf
i just remeber some time in bfa in some key i reflected and one died isntantly so it was probably already below 20%
strong forum
And then stormbolt/shockwave/fear
The other 300 casts that the pugs ain't doing shit against
pine summit
But they keep dying from casts .-.
tribal wharf
and someone noticed it in boice chat and we kept saying it
strong forum
At some point
You gotta be like "bruh I can only stop 5 casts, now you want me to stop 6? At the cost of like 7% dmg? "
pine summit
For example this week 1st pull with sentinel on ToT. When bolster hits hard 1 missed kick is death
strong forum
Huge brain tip
Hard CC one of the casters in the front
And assign 2 melee kicks on each of the remaining casters
Then take the 3rd caster with the Ravager pack
Only 2 casters to deal with
pine summit
I belive we're on absolutelly different level
pine summit
back to que?
strong forum
i guess so
pine summit
Oh and btw. I just figured You may know
Did blizz nerf something with Yazma's reflected dot?
strong forum
not that im aware of
pine summit
I mean last tyra week 1 reflect took 7-8% of her max HP
On 25
And this week I was on 26
And reflect only took about 2%
Fought with her 13 mins yesterday
strong forum
i reflected 3 bolts on tyr 26 this week
each bolt did 2mil total
pretty normal no?
pine summit
What bolts do You mean?
strong forum
yazma has alot of health
pine summit
"Probably" obviously rather
strong forum
10% dmg 20%hp?
pine summit
Don't remember exact amounts
strong forum
or was it 30% hp
pine summit
Well anyway, thanks a lot for talk
grand veldt
CELEBRATE BOYS THE BUFFS 2 DAYS AWAY
pine summit
I mean You literally showed me how dumb I am about rise xD
toxic pewter
CELEBRATE BOYS THE BUFFS 2 DAYS AWAY
not sure these so-called 'buffs' deserve a joker dancing meme that last for longer than 1 min
grand veldt
i'm sorry meme officer
toxic pewter
maybe 10 sec tops
grand veldt
i'll try to shorten it next time
toxic pewter
i mean we havent had any true iteration in over a year
grand veldt
dw im sure we'll get our talent rework before 2025
i cant get over that those are the buffs they gave us
like they could have done so many things and chose to do so little
blazing condor
not sure these so-called 'buffs' deserve a joker dancing meme that last for long...
calm down liberal its called irony
toxic pewter
i dont get it
grizzled nova
Do we actually know yet if it's 5% more shield per use or just 55% absorb instead of 50%?
Because if it's the second one then these buffs are giga fake anyway
robust surge
trying to queue on a prot warrior during afflicted week is actual pain
blazing condor
Thats just pwarr in general sometimes
restive scroll
Sounds like every week to me
tribal wharf
this is a brave man i think
grand veldt
I wanna see if it gets value in tyran keys for sure
tribal wharf
im trying to download 113 gb of vapor ware games
2800 files indivually is fastest way ive found, just enbd me already, gunna be here for a week
devout knoll
Do I laugh or cry here
tribal wharf
personally i feel like these parts of the chat are pointless party talk or lvl
you already know what level you are anyways or can see it many other ways, and the party is already color coded, only small gripe
chilly brook
i got this to test on keys
Wasn’t worth it lol
Was already tested on ptr and it’s also been nerfed since then
waxen frigate
<:gladge:963970137701109820>
So based
waxen frigate
U got tindral yet?
I did 🙂
blazing condor
devout knoll
you already know what level you are anyways or can see it many other ways, and t...
I just installed prat and changed literally 0 of the settings lol
I agree the level thing is entirely pointless though
hazy bronze
Yogi takes are to be taken in stride
cinder marsh
hey whats the best embelsishment for the primal molten shield?
warm plinth
shadowflame patch
alpine tapir
new to tanking and wow in general. any of you got any tips for properly following routes? I may be dumb or smth cause it takes me a lot of time to look at mdt while in the dungeon every pull and sometimes i don't even get the map when there's verticality and stuff
warm plinth
Go into the dungeon on a low difficulty that you can solo and put a face to a name so to speak
urban portal
huge augury damage
silk kiln
Ya it was popping off lol. Is that normal
urban portal
could be luck but everything else seems fine
dire anvil
Aug slaps for tanks
bleak breach
Yeah very normal for augury
Your fervid bite is a bit low though, should be around equal to shield slam
bleak breach
No, just meaning you’re probably not Thunder clapping or TR enough. Fervid and SS nearly do equal damage and are both single target
Although could depend on talents if you’re running any bloodborne
But looks pretty good overall
cinder marsh
hey i have threat plates does anybody know where i can look to see the best setting for that addon for m+/raid?
long chasm
hey i have threat plates does anybody know where i can look to see the best sett...
plater and quazzi’s profile has worked well for me
blazing condor
hey i have threat plates does anybody know where i can look to see the best sett...
i more or less use the basic settings for it and it works well for me - just play with the settings and set up something you prefer
i took away some of the debuffs showing on top for example
and added some viewing distance so the bars appear earlier
left basalt
plater and quazzi’s profile has worked well for me
chefs kiss on quazzi's profile
blazing condor
Skyhold weeklies returning
lusty grotto
more like we carried a MW monk that wasnt fistweaving
15k dps overall
didnt cocoon me once on tree grips
coccooned me randomly when i was on the ground waiting for frontal
i even pulled whelps for his healing until i noticed he wasnt fistweaving at all
on drasarion lmao
chilly brook
Thanks @lusty grotto 🙂
chilly brook
Overall woulda been bigly if I didn’t die on treeboi
lusty grotto
ye
also we cant figure out why the augie was trying to cover his paranoia with you
instead of my friend, the lock
baited swirlies in p2 doing that
but anyway not a big deal
teal swift
Is palworld that pokemon clone
All my weeb friends want me to play it, it looked like a pokemon knockoff, did I judge too quickly
uneven mason
Is Agonizing claws supposed to do over 2m damage on mythic?
our BRM just getting obliterated
teal swift
waxen frigate
Is Agonizing claws supposed to do over 2m damage on mythic?
no why is he taking 2 stacks
you can take 2 stacks as a tank if you are prepped and use like CB + another CD
but you really dont want to
uneven mason
They're not as far as I can tell taking 2 stacks
ashen harness
Hey, question
So ignore pain spends 35 rage
Seeing Red stacks up every time 30 rage is spent
and at 8 stacks, you get a violent outburst
how come, that almost every single time i press ignore pain at 6 stacks, it skips 7 and goes straight to violent outburst?
that should happen one in every 6th time, but its happening almost always
im missing something here
hardy snow
They're not as far as I can tell taking 2 stacks
to get such dmg he must took hit while still having debuff, maybe not 2 in a row, but if he took 2nd before charge, he cant take 1st after charge
ashen harness
every time it goes from 6 > 8 when i use ignore pain
lusty grotto
has been this way since s1
ashen harness
whats causing it tho? is it a bug?
ashen harness
well its a decent damage gain
i played S1 tho and i never noticed it then
i picked warrior up now and i noticed within a few days, so i dont think it was like this in S1
i did play around it too in S1, like if i was at 7 stacks, i'd make sure i had rage, do ignore pain into shield slam
so i'd surely notice
hardy snow
whats causing it tho? is it a bug?
it sums up previously used rage, if you spend 35 IP you get stack for 30, and 5 isnt lost, its added to next stack, 5 there, 5 there and you get two stacks per one IP usage in the end, because this last 5 sums to 30
ashen harness
it sums up previously used rage, if you spend 35 IP you get stack for 30, and 5 ...
correct
you didnt read my message properly as i never disputed this
hardy snow
does it goes from 6 to 8 always when you use 6x shield block and then single IP?
ashen harness
every time i use ignore pain at 6 stacks
hardy snow
well, it hard to say how much you had cumulated, every 2nd revenge gives you also another 10 extra, mixing it with IPs makes that at 6 stacks you always have some cumulated
only way to confirm it works wrongly is to do 6x shield block into single IP
because using any revenge or IP in the cycle mixes the amount you have acumulated for next stack
ashen harness
nonono, if i use revenge and ignore pain at random, it still goes from 6 > 8 every time
no exceptions
i know how the acumulation works
hardy snow
then test it **without **acumulating anything
ashen harness
ok ill make a proven case, give me 1 min
hardy snow
btw. does acumulation drops off after combat?
hardy snow
from just single IP? if yes, thats weird
ashen harness
i was planning on waiting until i got a double stack, cause then the excess would've been cleared. And count from there
but it just shot from 5 to burst
lusty grotto
like i said
lusty grotto
this has been happening since s1
lusty grotto
it sure has
ashen harness
13 times i hit 7 stacks, 2 times i skipped the 7th stack
lusty grotto
concerning it
feel free to search my messages with IP in them
im not talking out of my ass
hardy snow
chart doesnt give any reasonable information in this matter, but I've found such 5->outburst in my logs, at 10.093 I've got 5th stack, at 11.918 I used IP and got outburst out of it (there are 3 screenshots in it)
ashen harness
ok so optimal warrior rotation, is never use shield block or revenge at 6 stacks
always pain into shield slam
lusty grotto
wat
waxen frigate
ashen harness
well unless you wanna waste rage
waxen frigate
what
lusty grotto
ashen harness
why spend rage on anything, going from 6 to 7, when pain for no obvious reason skips 7 and puts you straight into burst
ashen harness
i dont know how that doenst make sense to you
hardy snow
why going from 6 to outburst with single IP, if you can go from 5 to outburst with single IP 
lusty grotto
hey does it make sense to anyone here?
ashen harness
why going from 6 to outburst with single IP, if you can go from 5 to outburst wi...
true but i think thats the one that happens every 6th time on average, since you're pooling excess rage
if you have 25+ rage pooled up in seeing red, IP will take you from 5 to 8
hardy snow
true but i think thats the one that happens every 6th time on average, since you...
example Ive posted was my first outburst in fight, and I guess you lose acumulation after death
and going from 5->burst requires at least 61 rage spent
ashen harness
ip at 4 is also stonks
if you are at 4 stacks with 25+ rage pooled into violent outburst, and ip twice, that puts you into burst
hardy snow
have fun thinkng about it, im off to bed, good night
ashen harness
if you click ignore pain until you get a doublestack at any point, then rightclick away the buff, then you've essentially cleared that pool
if you then only spend IP to generate rage, you will have 25 pooled at 5 stacks, the following IP putting you from 5 stacks into burst
opaque quest
have fun thinkng about it, im off to bed, good night
Take me with you. I just woke up and need to work in 30 minutes
ashen harness
so actually, if you somehow could track how much rage you had pooled into seeing red, that'd be usefull information if used right
warm plinth
What in the ass am I reading right now
violet ginkgo
wat
I just Gholak heroic, and this week I got brand from vault too, that makes me scared for next week vault. Seems like I deplete the entire luck on this week
lusty grotto
nice gz
teal swift
mortal dagger
so actually, if you somehow could track how much rage you had pooled into seeing...
As I remember, @strong forum has such a weakaura
ionic fern
It's been around eversince Seeing Red was introduced..like last expansion.
I honestly can't remember if we figured it out or not.
It used to consider IP as "40" rage, instead of 35.
And there was also some hidden rage tracker for Seeing Red, sometimes it reset after Outburst, sometimes not.
winter shard
is there any WA i should use to increase dps?
jagged pier
not really
pallid quiver
ones to track CDs so you do use them on CD
and outburst WA to help you send Outburst on SS
that's really about it
restive scroll
WAs are there to help you with your tracking weaknesses.
So it depends on each person.
For me, that's defensive stance (because i forget i'm in it), violent outbursts, and rend
opaque quest
Wait rend? You TC often enough to make rend a none issue
restive scroll
Wait rend? You TC often enough to make rend a none issue
The 4pc WA
restive scroll
Don't really need to know when fervid bite's up, but the rend part is somewhat important (for me)
teal swift
Seeing as you basically TC on cooldown, and probably don't want to delay Shieldslam or fervid bite to wait for another thunderclap.
Either tab, or eat the small damage loss
lavish sphinx
I just listen for the squelching sound
topaz dragon
How are we feeling int he current patch lads?
jagged pier
fine
topaz dragon
Nice and firm? :>
jagged pier
yep
topaz dragon
perfect
pallid quiver
can't even tank +2s
opaque quest
Dont listen to Jakey. Warrior is dogshit. Just check tier lists and streamers
ionic fern
Do i need to start slapping people?
If someone asks a question like that, don't troll.
pallid quiver
I should be slapped since I do that every single time, tbh
If they engage back, I elaborate, but
ionic fern
You never know if they are new to warrior etc.
opaque quest
I'd say add a "Warrior is good" to the stickys but people dont read them anyways so ill just troll
opaque quest
Thats fine. You arent always there
ionic fern
Thats fine. You arent always there
Reasonable response.
opaque quest
🙂
pallid quiver
My personal issue with it is most people asking don't actually really care, hence why I said I'll elaborate when people re-engage. I'll just start blocking them if they ask the question, though, to avoid it. Will take care in the future.
opaque quest
We have the question asked 40 times a day and never see the people again
jagged pier
^
ionic fern
If you got nothing proper to say to such questions - just don't type.
opaque quest
Damn this Channel will be really quiet in the future
ionic fern
🙂
opaque quest
Is there no way to make a pop up message when people enter a channel for the first time or smth
bleak breach
I think we’re doing decent, imo struggle a little on some fights compared to other classes. But as far as I’m aware there’s nothing we can’t do if we want to, so doing well.
In saying that, the only time I’ve seen people struggling survivability wise is when they’re running full damage builds to top parse. So doing fine
On another note, who here has done Nymue and Larodar on mythic here? Is there much to worry about on either? I know even on heroic Nymue can slap with debuff
bleak breach
Worse then Volc? Volc slapped haha
jagged pier
if u think volc does damage
bleak breach
Although whenever I died normally 1 of the healers on my side was dead
jagged pier
your gunna have a bad time
bleak breach
Hoping to get 6/9 this tier. The group I’m in sort of just dabbles into mythic, so we have some really good players and some not so good players.
I’d like to do CE, but hard time wise for me to do that.
opaque quest
There are always decent weekend only or night raids
I got my Cata CEs with a 12 to 3 am group
Maybe those fit
bleak breach
See how I go, numbers wise I think I’m fine. It’s just time for me
thorny stone
On another note, who here has done Nymue and Larodar on mythic here? Is there mu...
I didn't find neither of them to be a problem, I had to ask for an external on some charges of larodar but that's it.
opaque quest
Just pull one from vault 4head. There is only 500000 Items in the pool
opaque quest
Last Season i got Ashkandur from Week 1 Vault this Season i got Smolderon Wep from 1 Vault. Im blessed
toxic pewter
dang nice
opaque quest
Both HC ofc
toxic pewter
should come back
blazing condor
Yeah game is ballin rn we got
opaque quest
Just thinking about getting into decent hc groups without curve after 3 months makes my hair turn gray. Think ill pass
jagged pier
do u have a friend with curve?
opaque quest
Na. I only played with 1 person regularly and he fucked off after i lend him some cash
jagged pier
F
opaque quest
restive scroll
Actually i'd tend to say they check less now that it's "old"
jagged pier
i mean u dont need curve at all if u have a friend with it and u just link their achievement because the groups never check
blazing condor
my friend bought a 9/9 boost yesterday and the group wiped 7 times on fyrakk
paid 190k
jagged pier
oof
opaque quest
Actually i'd tend to say they check less now that it's "old"
They check even more because its old and they just wanna get it done
opaque quest
imagine not getting curve week1
Had Day 2 during Aberrus is that counts :/
restive scroll
Or doing the group yourself
But yeah, getting curve is hard
Not because of the boss ofc
restive scroll
They check even more because its old and they just wanna get it done
The rare times i lead pugs, i tend yo forget
blazing condor
some times youd just get stuck for 3 hours on a boss
opaque quest
I got rasz week 2 and Aberrus Day2. If people werent so anti discord it would be much much easier
I struggled on Rasz for days then had a grp where everybody joined discord and just killed her
median tulip
Raszageth was totally a coordination check. Discord is extremely positive for coordination.
hollow hill
Is there any situation where lariat is good these days over a shadowflame embellishment? prot war in this heroic pug I'm in is using it
blazing condor
nah
jagged pier
i mean all emblishments are bad
lariat is worse than shadowflame
but the difference isnt that much
but there is a difference
median tulip
Is there any situation where lariat is good these days over a shadowflame embell...
The difference between them is incredibly minor. I got a Myth track cloak really early in the season, and when I got the second spark I did I load of Sims, and while the Shadowflame cloak would have simmed 0.5% better on single target, the Lariat was ahead by a similar amount on 3 & 5 target sims.
In addition the Lariat has a defensive component, which Shadowflame does not.
I decided to go with the Lariat, mostly because as a max JC it's just easy for me to get.
hollow hill
Yea that is fair. I figured there was probably a very small difference in them, just been a while since I've seen anyone use it
jagged pier
i mean 'defesnive' component 30% uptime on a random buff
could just proc when its pointless
median tulip
It really is too small a difference to be worth caring about.
hollow hill
On another topic, does anyone have trouble with pulling threat lately? No matter what tank I play with these days, I have to like, auto attack so that I don't pull threat. Even with tanks higher ilvl than me. Not sure if I'm just getting real unlucky with tanks in pug raids, but damn it's getting annoying
median tulip
It's not random, it's always the lesser stat from your gems. Assuming you have the same type of gem in every socket it's completely predictable
blazing condor
On another topic, does anyone have trouble with pulling threat lately? No matter...
raid tanks generally dont do a lot of damage
i usually end up pulling from my co-tanks especially on normal
hc have been fine mostly though
hollow hill
I was in a heroic tindral pug with another prot warrior who was like 487, so I figured I would be good there. But nope, ended up auto attacking a good portion of when he had aggro lol
median tulip
He was probably a DStance Andy
hollow hill
could be
based on details it didn't seem like he was proccing fervid bite nearly as much as me
jagged pier
doesnt matter what their ilvl is now
anyone can be bad and be 487
we can only tell with logs 🤷
median tulip
All too true
hollow hill
sadly true
blazing condor
anyone can be bad and be 487
jagged pier
<:sadgers:1022526082278248631>
im included in this
hazy bronze
purple parse
jagged pier
i can always improve
blazing condor
yes
jagged pier
even on the 100s
jagged pier
if I dont play perfectly
i play bad
to bad i dont care about the spec enough to try anymore
blazing condor
honestly
blazing condor
i mean i have the same mindset as you
but u gotta be able to pat urself on the back as well sometimes
even if you can always be better and you should never settle
jagged pier
but u gotta be able to pat urself on the back as well sometimes
thats not how my brain works
blazing condor
why be happy when you can be angry
i cant even get 99s anymore
think i got one
feelsbad
median tulip
At this stage of the season high parsing is very difficult
strong forum
Thx for the compliment
Next reset I gotta chase parses again cuz of the buffs to my specs tho
blazing condor
strong forum
Gotta defend my r1
blazing condor
i just gotta get some fyrakk trinkets and leggo
then surely ill be r1
not that i can use the leggo as pwarr
strong forum
A combination of things
jagged pier
rage management, blocked hits, casts, outburst useage
blazing condor
rage gain is also a good thing to look at
some ppl just generate way more rage than others
toxic pewter
yeah rage good point
strong forum
Cd usage, dmg breakdown, outburst, rage waste
toxic pewter
i bet a lot of people waste a lot of rage
not to say I dont waste some here and there
strong forum
I bet alot of people don't generate enough rage
toxic pewter
hmmm
toxic pewter
dang thats good point too
blazing condor
you have ppl who dont waste any rage cus they just spam IP
but then you check logs
and they have like 10k less rage generated
toxic pewter
maybe rage is the true prot warr metric in this 100% shield block uptime world
then again even with shield block people also dont block stuff
toxic pewter
lol
strong forum
the most important metric is how much fun you have
True and real
Where is my fun parse list
Or fun tierlist
Someone tell me what I should enjoy!
blazing condor
"shield slam critical hits have a chance to shoot out a firework!"
"your charge now leaves a trail of flowers behind you"
t32 leaked
jagged pier
u can get fire on charge
blazing condor
thats not fun thats scary
median tulip
I have fire on charge
blazing condor
thousands of animals die every year due to uncontrolled fires
blazing condor
worth
jagged pier
I have a rainbow on charge and leap
same
median tulip
I would appreciate more Glyphs
jagged pier
bring back gag order
strong forum
The tech isn't there yet
jagged pier
they kind of the same thing as hero talents
but also not the same thing
omg imagine gag order with titanic throw
blazing condor
pwarr fixed
toxic pewter
why did they get rid of gag order anyway, was it around for a long time or wat
it seems like a sensible ability
jagged pier
it was a glyph so when they went
toxic pewter
oh interesting
echo egret
It was too powerful on top of a melee interrupt
median tulip
Pally gets a ranged interrupt on top of a melee one. Theirs even deals a significant amount of damage.
toxic pewter
was it considered imablanced in its day or what
like were people calling for it to be removed back then
echo egret
Blizzard decided that on themselves iirc
strong forum
It was probably too OP for pvp
toxic pewter
oh lol
uneven mason
It gave arms a ranged interrupt
echo egret
And it happened when they decided to de-homogenize classes
dusky canopy
We got the big one
jagged pier
there was nothing to stop which u couldnt stop already
dusky canopy
uneven mason
It was removed along with the stuns on charge and intercept
median tulip
There's all kinds of things our abilities use to do. Thunderclap used to apply a melee attack speed penalty. Shield Slam used to have a purge effect rider.
uneven mason
Because warriors had 4-5 ranged stops in pvp
toxic pewter
hmmm seems like it was just a casualty of the changing times
uneven mason
There's all kinds of things our abilities use to do. Thunderclap used to apply a...
Fuckin ret crybabies getting out dispel taken away because glad warriors were eating them alive in pvp
Heroic strike was a st off GCD rage dump, never forget 
dusky canopy
Ehh do you really want that back though
uneven mason
Yes
dusky canopy
I like mindlessly rage dumping into IP and or revenge
You want to add a third option?
uneven mason
More for arms
dusky canopy
Kinda complicates things
median tulip
It wasn't really a rage dump, it replaced a rage gain with a minor rage spend and was tied to melee attack speed
uneven mason
It wasn't really a rage dump, it replaced a rage gain with a minor rage spend an...
Mists of pandaria heroic strike
Was an off GCD attack
dusky canopy
I guess if it was good enough to completely replace Revenge casts in ST scenarios I could get behind it
uneven mason
The best heroic strike
median tulip
I didn't play MoP; wasn't it always a replacement for a white attack?
uneven mason
I guess if it was good enough to completely replace Revenge casts in ST scenario...
Off GCD
An offensive off GCD spender
uneven mason
I didn't play MoP; wasn't it always a replacement for a white attack?
Until mop yes
dusky canopy
Yeah idk about that one homie it sounds cool for sure but would totally fuck most people playing the spec
Constantly rage starved
uneven mason
dusky canopy
I mean yeah it is haha
median tulip
Fair
uneven mason
I mean they're doing that now with IP spam
uneven mason
Yeah
dusky canopy
Depends on rage, how many targets, what procs I have available
uneven mason
Have it trigger IP cd
So you can't press both at once
But anyway, HS will never return
So moot point
uneven mason
Until you hit content where IP can be impactful
median tulip
There's a bunch of things I wish they would bring back into the warrior trees, ngl
To be honest the entire warrior talent tree needs redesigning
dusky canopy
They should put every single ability that’s ever existed in this game back into the talent tree
winged slate
Wdym it's perfect design that shockwave competes with 3 damage talents
dusky canopy
Fuck this trying to be a competitive well balanced Esport
Let us do fun broken combos
Maybe it’s just me I guess lol
median tulip
Avatar should be in the middle section, not the 3rd section. Ravager should be on the class tree, not the Fury/Prot ones.
The Class Capstones should be TRoar, Spear, Banner and Ancient Aftershock
Battle Scarred Veteran should DIAF. The centre capstone for Prot should be a choice node between "Anger Management now applies to Last Stand" and "Anger Management now applies to Ravager"
winged slate
Last stand lul
uneven mason
Wdym it's perfect design that shockwave competes with 3 damage talents
The fact that shockwave isn't a base ability is
jagged pier
why lul its what made prot 'OP' in BFA
uneven mason
why lul its what made prot 'OP' in BFA
Bolster is what made prot op, ls was just the vehicle
Or am as a whole
Rather
median tulip
Last stand lul
It was incredible in BfA bro. Bolster and UnF
jagged pier
yes but LS was on AM
uneven mason
Yup
jagged pier
so u got bolster and LS far to often
nothing about the talent really
it was the interaction of LS on AM
uneven mason
We had like 45s CD on ls and 80% uptime on demo shout
median tulip
Imagine Bolster, UnF, AM4LS, Banner
winged slate
I just find it to be one of the least interesting buttons on my bars
jagged pier
because its one of if not the worst 3 min cd in the game
median tulip
I just find it to be one of the least interesting buttons on my bars
These days it is. Didn't used to be
urban portal
LS is so ass
median tulip
When it wasn't a 3min CD it was great
urban portal
Is like an frenzy regen with a minor upside
median tulip
Hence why I want a talent to apply Anger Management to it again.
uneven mason
I just find it to be one of the least interesting buttons on my bars
Currently yeah
jagged pier
well 2 because then u would take bolster