protection

[vestal moat]

didnt need survivability buffs. anything better than nothing but this is a season that isnt dependent on tank survability. it's built on GROUP SURVIVABILITY, which prot does not have many tools to enhance

[lusty grotto]

yea

[vestal moat]

this would have been the perfect shadowlands season 1 buff

[lusty grotto]

they should just up rally like darkness in 5 man content and thats that

[lean flower]

YES

I think it would be cool if they let us have a talent for spell block that gives a mini spell block to the party for like 6 secs or something

That’d be neat!

[hardy snow]

who said its for keys?

I would prefer passive spellblock for lower % amount

[waxen orbit]

Oh golly gee shucks we got a whole 5% absorb increase on IP!

Gee mom, you shouldn't have!

Make Disrupting Shout have a 45 second CD you fucking cowards

Do it

Fucking do it

[lean flower]

Omg hahahahaha

that would be something

[waxen orbit]

It would make us actually competitive with one of the many factors that makes prot paladin indisputably better than us every season

[vestal moat]

or VDH. Like for real look at silence sigil and then look at disrupting shout. how can the worse one have like 50% more cooldown

with no CDR on it.

[waxen orbit]

VDH too, I'm just saying that prot is better than us in utility literally every patch

And mass kick is only like 30% of the reason

[devout knoll]

Anyone have advice on surviving, Oakheart and Deios on like 25ish keys. They keep wrecking me.

[hard vessel]

Just bring back group wide shield wall

[waxen orbit]

Rotate defensives and communicate with your healer

Ask for external at a specific moment

[vestal moat]

No advice needed, wait for Tuesday, 5% stam buff and ip buff will carry ya

[waxen orbit]

💀

If only man

Nah those bosses are rough

Assuming you are playing properly in a rotational sense and hitting your buttons

[lean flower]

Oakheart you can leap away from Nightmare breath allowing you to spell reflect the grip every time for more DR. So like shield wall Spell reflect first one. Demo shout, spell reflect, last stand next grip, cycle through this over and over knowing last stand won’t be up for every other

[waxen orbit]

Then all I can say is rotate defensives and ask for externals

[toxic gyro]

are we S tier after those sick buffs

?

[hardy snow]

https://tenor.com/view/always-have-been-always-will-be-tracy-jordan-30rock-forever-and-ever-now-and-forever-gif-21884305

[toxic gyro]

[devout knoll]

aight so I've only being playing warrior for like 2 months, do you just leap backwards like max amount?

to avoid breath damage

[vestal moat]

Permanent battle stance now, i m going to just assume i got an 8% damage increase

[lean flower]

Deios welllll. I haven’t tried it yet I was going to experiment with doing spell block before pulling so it’s up for first add, but making sure you have it again for the last 2 adds (you need that or you’re just deadge) meaning the 2nd add spawn you could maybe save a shield wall for??? Idk

[waxen orbit]

Yes or you can just start moving back before it casts

And dodge it anyways

@devout knoll

Need a log to look at to tell you exactly what your problem is

I could take a crack at it and look at it

[devout knoll]

Yeah just difficult in pugs sometimes to get what I need across lol

[lean flower]

It’s safer to do max amount, but I don’t think you need the fulllll leap range just be careful not to side leap so it hits dps since he follows your movement clock/counterclock wise while casting

[waxen orbit]

I can empathize, but I'd say before the key goes in

AND before you pull the boss

Stop and explain it quickly

It's worth the 10 seconds off the timer to type

Emphasize it twice

Healers are forgetful

[lean flower]

Yeah if you have a healer that can give you a DR or even a ret Paladin that can sac one of the grips it helps a ton

[devout knoll]

Yeah I've just accepted equipping that like escape death trinket for rise at the moment lol, get's me out of one of the breaths for deios at least

[lean flower]

And if you have cheat death trinket. For oakheart you can use it as a currency to replace DRs with HAHA but yeahhhhh in case you need more defensive later in the fight

[lean flower]

Yeahhh

[devout knoll]

yeah worth not wiping for 5 seconds of typing

maybe I macro it

[waxen orbit]

I've done it LMFAO

Great minds

I'd say do it

[devout knoll]

it's annoying it does magic damage but I don't think spell block actually blocks it

like it's specifically designed to fuck us

[waxen orbit]

It doesn't

Yep

Welcome to prot warrior

Been playing it for 14 years

Shit doesn't get better

[devout knoll]

Ahaha

[waxen orbit]

I'm just playing BG3 right now and gave up pushing at 26s because LFG hates brown class (understandably so)

[devout knoll]

I played DK from when first started playing WoW in cata till Shadowlands, where I quit, and then I came back in 10.2, fancied a change in class

[grand veldt]

True and real

[devout knoll]

I'm doing an honour mode playthrough atm actually, in act 2

[grand veldt]

I mean it's nice we'll be even tankier

But really util is what's hurting us

[lean flower]

I will say on oakheart spellblock will block the initial nightmare breath dmg BUT not the dot which hurts like hell

[devout knoll]

Yeah my plan was spellblock breath, save reflect for the grip and it worked at the start but ran out of steam by the end of the fight

[waxen orbit]

Agreed. Not a bad change to be certain, but to be honest, magic damage just... continues to fuck us hard. We need a 10% IP change instead of 5 to even remotely make a survivability difference. It's funny that still, even, survivability isn't our problem

[devout knoll]

Which is probably when I needed an external

[waxen orbit]

Which is a first for our spec in a long time LOL

[pliant trout]

just leap away before the cast 100% uptime, only downside you can't "land" afte grip (you take fall damage and dot tick which is a lot)

[lean flower]

Yeah def try out leaping out of breath, you talented for shorter leap CD?? It will be up every nightmare breath if so

[devout knoll]

Yeah I am

[lean flower]

👍

[devout knoll]

it's the most fun ability coming from playing DK before which had 0 mobility lol

[waxen orbit]

You gotta use it at the very start of the breath for it to line up

[devout knoll]

the second he starts casting yeah?

[waxen orbit]

Yes

[blazing condor]

ye

[devout knoll]

just leap away

neat thank you guys

[lean flower]

Yaya

[devout knoll]

big helpful

[waxen orbit]

Right on it

You can also pre-move

And just run out of it no leap

[blazing condor]

its easy to jump out

[waxen orbit]

That's more dangerous though

That takes more precision

[blazing condor]

i just peep the timer to see when its about to come and turn my camera around for it, then just leap out insta

[pliant trout]

there is a good spot, make sure you dont move a lot and dont cleave your players

i mean tank on the same spot

[worthy briar]

how we feel about this prot buff boyz

[pliant trout]

and leap in the same place

[lean flower]

lackluster

[worthy briar]

lol

[lean flower]

give us utility!!

[worthy briar]

i like the IP buff

[pliant trout]

yes but not reliable, well "hard to execute" sometimes on server you are still in reach

[devout knoll]

Make disrupting shout an aoe silence on like a minute CD

[pliant trout]

but in worst case you can run

with dudu ms buff i think it's easy

[devout knoll]

disrupting is kind of dick at the moment, why is it just an interrupt lol

[pliant trout]

or w/e ms buff

[blazing condor]

i mean any buff is good its not like we really need to be buffed anymore

so im cool with it

[pliant trout]

Vanguard now grants a 40% increase to Stamina (was 35%).
Ignore Pain absorption increased by 5%.

kekw, it's kind a fine but doesnt help with anything really

[devout knoll]

Make Bitter immunity remove magic effects

that might be busted

[pliant trout]

i would say damage is more of a problem than survivability, vdh blasts like crazy "for free"

[devout knoll]

but it's fine

[pliant trout]

wow balance will be dogshit until they separate it for different content types

[lean flower]

Or before release when it got rid of bleeds too that was pretty good! But they hate us and removed that part hnnngg

[pliant trout]

cause maybe in raid "it's strong" but in m+ it's weak or useless

yes bleeds are the biggest problem

or better remove all heavy bleeds from dungeons

[waxen orbit]

This

[pliant trout]

it's the right solution

[waxen orbit]

Granted we still do solid 200-250k overalls

[devout knoll]

I just think VDH should get nerf'd lol

[waxen orbit]

But VDH is doing 270k without even breaking a sweat

[devout knoll]

it outperforms everything

[waxen orbit]

Prot pal is pretty juiced

[devout knoll]

different reasons though i think

idk, I think I just have an unnatural hatred towards DH

something about that class

and the people that play it

[pliant trout]

where? can't be it's in perfect conditions etc with evoker i guess even

[waxen orbit]

I did 217k overall in a 24 EB for my guildie who needed the IO without an aug last week or the week before

Can't remember when

I was playing with cheat death trinket and defensive build too

[pliant trout]

xDDD

in the end of run?

[waxen orbit]

When you play properly you can do quite a bit of dam

Yea

On the overall

[pliant trout]

do you know what last boss and first have 100 and 200% damage increase?

i mean you deal inflated damage

real damage is in atal or wm

[waxen orbit]

Before last boss I was still doing 203k

[pliant trout]

the rest is giga wanky

eb is inflated with flowers

small ones

[waxen orbit]

BRH I also did the same thing

Like 209k

[pliant trout]

last boss the same

[waxen orbit]

We aren't bad at dam when played properly

[pliant trout]

x3 damage

[waxen orbit]

Again before last boss I was at 199k

[pliant trout]

you need to pump hard to be comparable to paladin

no way close to vdh

[waxen orbit]

Yea but you should be pumping hard anyways

The real problem is utility

[pliant trout]

the problem is the mechanic how you deal damage]

vdh just presses buttons and damage comes out

[waxen orbit]

I won't disagree there

[devout knoll]

Again I think that's just vdh deserves a nerf lol

[pliant trout]

ofc

he and pala need a decent damage nerf

utility can stay the same

they just have giga utility for m+ AND damage

thats just kekw

all classes with good utility should have mediocre damage

retr palas are very balanced

in that sense

most classes should feel similar, they are good but not too good

[devout knoll]

I think DK are pretty decent in that regard imo

blood at least

grips giga good utility

but they're not out here

silencing everything and healing their team mates

[pliant trout]

i think he needs cd buffs

like war actually

[devout knoll]

I'd just like rallying cry to actually do something

I have give you 100k hp against that 2 million damage dot mr team mate, good luck

[waxen orbit]

No the utility needs to be matched

[lean flower]

Why bring warrior when you can bring a dragon for 2 charges of rally!

[waxen orbit]

If our damage was enough to make us relevant

We'd have been goated all of SL

It simply is a utility problem

Don't nerf them, bring us up to that standard

[devout knoll]

Give warriors bloodlust

[waxen orbit]

^

[devout knoll]

it's thematically perfect

[lean flower]

Only tank with bloodlust

That’d be pretty good

[waxen orbit]

Why is the commander spec not able to motivate his enemies to punch faster

Like

https://tenor.com/view/pulp-fiction-confused-travolta-where-lost-gif-5308454

[pliant trout]

in wow all this won't happen

[devout knoll]

Yeah that's what I mean, like it's something unique for the spec

[pliant trout]

or in some years maybe

[waxen orbit]

It's fine I'm probably in Cata classic jail until TWW drops anyways

Gonna relive the expac I first started playing the game and prot warr

[devout knoll]

I started in cata

played fury warrior until firelands

then played DK for like 8 solid years lol

[pliant trout]

i find warr doesnt need comparable utility, he just needs to be passive tanky and blast a lot. what a warrior should do

like the best damage from all tanks

[devout knoll]

Well yeah they just need something to stand out lol

every tank should have their own unique strength

[pliant trout]

blizzard doesnt care UuU

they say "here are 3 classes we tunned for this season, gl"

[devout knoll]

I mean battleshout is pretty good

[pliant trout]

no 5% is too less

[devout knoll]

lets you focus on like very physical comps

[pliant trout]

for m+

[devout knoll]

but it is more of a raid ting

[pliant trout]

they balance for raids

[devout knoll]

yeh

[pliant trout]

in raids it's ok

i told already balance is dogshit and can't be good until they separate

m+/raid/pvp

with pvp there is already a separation

[devout knoll]

I mean regardless of the state of warrior, every race to world first team has one for battleshout and their execute phase normally

they just need something flashy for m+

I think abilities doing similar damage and stuff is fine

feels kind of jank when things change too much

but

Maybe M+ talents

[pliant trout]

right now they are actually just not that good in all aspects

[devout knoll]

like you get for pvp could be neat

[pliant trout]

thats the problem imo

only maybe block?

thats it

and it's not that important anyway

vdh has 90% parry?

kekw

which is MUCH better

cause it doesnt reduce but ignores damage

[lusty grotto]

kekw spam yet again

[devout knoll]

I mean to be fair, block and ignore pain, you basically don't take damage anyway

[lusty grotto]

stuck in twitch chat

[pliant trout]

you do

[devout knoll]

then a single caster mob uses an ability

and you collapse dead

[pliant trout]

you don't

[lusty grotto]

[pliant trout]

but it's nothing special all tanks have similar mitigations

[vocal flame]

lmao that meme

[devout knoll]

Yeah I mean it's a flavour thing and to make tanks feel different

Some block, some parry, bears do whatever the fuck bears do

as long as you end up roughly similar in survivability its fine imo

[pliant trout]

rofl, it's a gamedesign from a student, you need design from point of view of real world efficiency, not theoretical estimates

some mechanics are just much more stronger than the others in m+

especially binary one like silence etc

[teal swift]

@devout knoll cute pfp

[devout knoll]

Yeah but that's just the nature of anything competitive, classes are going to have an edge sometimes, especially when like in mythic plus, things infinitely scale

I'm not a game designer lol, I study language

just you know

I have my 2 cents

[devout knoll]

thanks bro

[teal swift]

[pliant trout]

you can compensate that in other areas etc

it's relative easy to come up with solutions and to balance they just don't want it, they add 5% stamina xDDDD

...........................

[devout knoll]

Yeah don't got me wrong, there's definitely things they can do better lol, this random 5% buff is just ???????????

[lusty grotto]

it is what it is

[cerulean tusk]

I am sure they did the math, we just barely died to a mechanic, and this makes it a lot better

No more 100 to 0

[lusty grotto]

[cerulean tusk]

now it is 100 to 2%

[lusty grotto]

lol

[teal swift]

It's a little odd to randomly see a buff we kinda didn't need, would rather seen like

"Revenge damage increased by 28%"

[devout knoll]

Yeah definitely, a damage buff would have been extremely welcome

[teal swift]

Execute rage to damage conversion increased by 175%

Make execute feel... Like execute

Like, the two areas of our kit that feels bad rn.

Revenge
Execute

Make execute actually... Do damage

[cinder marsh]

hey does anybody have a youtuber they reccomend to learn pretty mmuch everything about prot warr and the best routes for dungeons?

[devout knoll]

yeah it's one thing I've noticed, some of the abilities just have like 0 feedback or damage to them

some abilities like that roar

feel quite nice

or shield charge

feels nice

[teal swift]

Yep

Execute just doesn't feel good, and it is such a warrior ability.

Nope we get 5% more ignore pain

[devout knoll]

It is like the warrior ability lol

it's iconic

[teal swift]

Yeah

[devout knoll]

that an victory rush

actually there's a point

[teal swift]

It just feels ????

[devout knoll]

can they please for the love of god make victory rush reset in mythic+

[lusty grotto]

it does

[teal swift]

Would like to see revenge do a bit more damage.

But mainly make execute feel worth hitting.

[lusty grotto]

what are you on about

[teal swift]

You gotta get killing blows

Which wouldn't be so bad

[cinder marsh]

hey does anybody have a youtuber they reccomend to learn pretty mmuch everything about prot warr and the best routes for dungeons?

[teal swift]

If execute... Did something 🙃

[lusty grotto]

#268491842637660160

[waxen orbit]

Solid point

[lusty grotto]

plka for now, sense could have uploaded recently but idk

[devout knoll]

not exactly the easiest as the tank lol

[lusty grotto]

?

i mean you implied that it wasnt working

it is

its on a killing blow, always has been

[teal swift]

It wouldn't feel so bad, if execute did something.

[lusty grotto]

also why do you want to be a BDK?

[devout knoll]

I mean poorly worded, my mistake, can it just actually reset on mob kills

[lusty grotto]

having non-stop victory rushes? nah im good

[teal swift]

It'd need an ICD then

It's difficulty to proc, is what keeps it balanced

[devout knoll]

Yeah that's fine, I just find the way it works at the moment, kind of jank

[lusty grotto]

whats wrong with it

first of all youre supposed to be talented into IV

[teal swift]

I'd be fine if it was like cooldown reduced by 3 seconds when a non trivial mob dies within melee ranfe

[devout knoll]

I do have the talent, I just can't remember what it's called lol

and yeah just something like that

[teal swift]

But it's just supposed to be rot prevention rather than self heal

[lusty grotto]

IV? impending victory

[teal swift]

Prot warrior used to rot away without a healer, now it can do fine because victory rush

@strong forum

Just sanity check, I'm not gaslighting myself right?

[strong forum]

we can still rot

[devout knoll]

because it's just kind of feels like a bit of the kit, the reset, is completely untouched to some degree

[strong forum]

but you dont need active healing for almost anything

get a couple hots a bit of group healing and youre chillin

[teal swift]

Okay, so victory rush, has really helped us vs rot?

[devout knoll]

Yeah I just remember it as victory rush lol, same basic ability

[strong forum]

it helps alot with getting chunked by X

and then just recovering

but if its actually heavy dmg intake

like heavy

then you will start to rot

[teal swift]

I like it to keep my health, healthy

[strong forum]

but if played well

our health doesnt move

[teal swift]

What counts as heavy

[devout knoll]

Yeah I find it helps a lot during like tank busters

[teal swift]

Like, we can leap the nastiest mechs

[strong forum]

depends entirely on the situation

[devout knoll]

you know first boss of fall, you can basically instantly remove the healing debuff thing

[teal swift]

So even shit like deios isn't bad

[strong forum]

deios is only bad when the adds are up

cuz they spam your ass with pure magic dmg nukes

that arent CCable

thats when you need big CDs

and probably healer attention

[teal swift]

Spellblock helps, but that phase lasts more than 30s

[strong forum]

idk how much my healer had to heal me in the 25 i did

[teal swift]

At least it's lust angle

[strong forum]

nah

[teal swift]

Was it bolvar

[strong forum]

uuuh

yes

[teal swift]

Qvoid

[devout knoll]

Spell Block kind of good for the double caster part

[teal swift]

Yeah, he's really thriving in disc

Saw him do a 27 last eeek

[strong forum]

yeah i was in it

xd

[teal swift]

Nice work

[strong forum]

we did 27 brh today

and rise 26 just now

[teal swift]

You guys had like 3x tott 27 last week

Or was that this week

[strong forum]

yeah but we didnt have enough time to touch a single one

today we had 2x 27 tott but i rerolled mine into 27dht

[teal swift]

Nice 😮

[strong forum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/448862929564205078/1198077993050963978/8cygph.png?ex=65bd9814&is=65ab2314&hm=e548c05cbde14e6bbed113fa70c4f608d7bf393b7b6956ce4d6c4cd327bc44a0&

[sturdy halo]

If i'm at max IP and roughly max rage and want to spend rage for damage, is it worth more to revenge in that situation or should I IP again to fish for tier proc?

[strong forum]

send IP

revenge is only to be used then SS and TC arent ready and to apply deep wounds in aoe

Revenge usage has nothing to do with the state of your ignore pain

Revenge is first and foremost just your tool to reset shield slam and apply deep wounds in aoe

[sturdy halo]

so SS and TC is down and/or need snap threat in aoe revenge, otherwise IP is worth more

[strong forum]

yes

[sturdy halo]

gotcha, thank you!

[strong forum]

you also use revenge to fish for SS resets when outburst is ready

so you can send outburst on SS instead of wasting it on TC

[sturdy halo]

cause outburst is 200% extra on the ability, right?

[strong forum]

ye 200% dmg and 100% rage

and since TC hits like a wet noodle

[sturdy halo]

ah yeah, i see that now, i didn't read through the talent, just took it, lol.

[strong forum]

its basically a waste

proper outburst usage is vital to doing good dmg and being less reliant on your healer

like in keys i do 120-130k ST dps

just vibing

[grand veldt]

Is there a leap macro to leap max distance behind us

[strong forum]

@cursor and just aim mouse really far away

[maiden ravine]

I kinda enjoy the fact that since DF S1 prot warrior has seen it's nerfs to dstance and ignore pain reversed, and they buffed stamina some too.

[grand veldt]

Yeah was just curious the breaths in doti

Are such aids

[strong forum]

idk its pretty easy

[grand veldt]

Sometimes my max eange is too far

And I don't cast

[strong forum]

thats weird

[strong forum]

the d-stance nerf happened before m+ even opened i think

so like

[maiden ravine]

indeed, but it was when the expansion was live no?

[strong forum]

yeah but only pre-season

so only purely irrelevant content

blizzard got successfully gaslit by the community into thinking that the 5% IP nerf is why pwar is again the most unpopular tank

xd

[potent anvil]

Why did prot get buffed? Were they actually dying at some point? What's the lore...

[strong forum]

no we didnt, the community just gaslit blizzard ig

we're insanely tanky

[potent anvil]

I know, it's just wild lol

[bleak breach]

We don’t do quite as well as other tanks, especially in the raid

[potent anvil]

I don't raid, so I wouldn't know

[bleak breach]

But I mean it’s only at the top end and someone has to suffer

[strong forum]

pretty sure raid is like always a joke for tanks

we're just, like always, not popular

cuz youre not a BDK

[bleak breach]

Na mythic is pretty nasty

[toxic pewter]

the community's obsession with IP is weird

[strong forum]

yeah ima doubt that

real hard

this raid is insanely good for pwar

cuz almost everything is blockable

and a mixed bag between phys and magic

and not pure magic dogshit

[bleak breach]

There’s a lot of magic damage

[strong forum]

uhuh

[uneven mason]

whats this about 5% IP?

[bleak breach]

Do you do it Nom?

Or just M+

[bleak breach]

5% more IP and 5% more stamina

[strong forum]

i dont do m+ either this season cuz its boring as tank

[uneven mason]

is this official patch notes?

[bleak breach]

Yes

[strong forum]

but people going "but magic dmg" in raid

are always coping

or just plain bad

people say this IN EVERY RAID TIER EVER

[bleak breach]

Nymue, Larodar and Volcoross are the main tank killers

[strong forum]

ah so

[uneven mason]

I mean

[strong forum]

1 pull bosses

🙂

[maiden ravine]

Feels like as long as pwar has spell reflection and spellblock I'll take a warrior for magic damage before a bear.

[uneven mason]

If only we had multiple cooldowns that could massively mitigate the damage they deal

[toxic pewter]

spell blocks like everything in the raid iirc

[strong forum]

Volcoross is a literal 1 pull boss, you have SW for every tankbuster

[bleak breach]

Mythic always hard I get that, but prot war is struggling a bit compared to others a bit

[strong forum]

Larodar you do have SW for every tank buster

[bleak breach]

Mythic Volc is nasty

[strong forum]

Nymue you just need to watch out for the overlaps of debuff

outside of that you dont give a fuck

Smolderon is also irrelevant for tanks

cuz you also have SW for every buster

Tindral is a joke for tanks to begin with

[bleak breach]

Smold is, Igira pretty much irrelevant for prot war, same with council

[strong forum]

Fyrakk is also really easy for tanks outside of p3

[bleak breach]

Tindral and Fyrakk are nasty but supposed to be

I’m only really talking mythic, anyone can do heroic at this stage

[strong forum]

yes.

im also talking mythic

Tindral is casting so many abilities on mythic that he barely attacks tanks

so the stacks are chill

[bleak breach]

Gnarlroot actually stomps

But that’s the add debuff

[strong forum]

okay ima just stop responding

[bleak breach]

So just reliant on group damage

Okay? Just having a discussion…

[strong forum]

nah like the examples youre giving

are just relevant if youre playing at a really low level

[uneven mason]

hey arms is getting some buffs though

So, that IP note, guessing it's literally the cap by 5%

[bleak breach]

Okayyyyyyy

[uneven mason]

or per cast by 5%

[strong forum]

55% absorption

instead of 50%

[uneven mason]

oh

so the first real buff to IP

[maiden ravine]

just funny whenever Blizzard reverses a nerf they did in the past.

[bleak breach]

I wouldn’t say I play at a low level, but thanks for the insult. Just observations I’ve made while progging

[toxic pewter]

na ip was absorbing 45% at one point iirc

[uneven mason]

it was absorbing 90% at one point

[strong forum]

it was never lower than 50%

[vapid ibex]

hows the buffs looking like?

[uneven mason]

F for Legion

[toxic pewter]

oh ok nvm

[strong forum]

it wasnt meant as an insult

[bleak breach]

I think the extra stam is gonna be the bigger but Ikarikaze

Buff*

[strong forum]

yeah

like theyre good buffs

[uneven mason]

It's not nothing

[strong forum]

cuz theyre indirect buffs to our selfhealing

and say what you will 55% > 50% damage absorption

its alot of indirect implications

[bleak breach]

They’re enough, we’re not a great deal behind. Just a little

[strong forum]

i wouldnt even say we're behind

just different

[uneven mason]

5% more absorb is the first buff they've made to IP that should have some actual impact

[strong forum]

if VDH didnt have double sigils

[maiden ravine]

Makes me wonder if we're gonna see overtuned tank damage in TWW and we'll see the return of the flat tank DRs.

[mortal dagger]

sheeesh buffs

[strong forum]

nah blizzard is real cautious after SL

all nerfs/buffs theyre doing to tanks

are in small incriments

cuz they dont want to nuke them from the planet

(aside from the reworks)

[bleak breach]

The start of war within will be interesting

Balancing the new talents

[strong forum]

idc about tww yet

we're only halfway through s3

and an entire s4 (which ill likely skip) ahead of us

[maiden ravine]

we're gonna have the same talent trees largely and adding more power on top. I just hope Blizzard launches alpha in a better state than DF so we don't have to deal with the drama of them having to nerf healing by 40% again

[strong forum]

twice

🙂

[maiden ravine]

I was trying to add the nerfs together

[strong forum]

reminder they buffed mob dmg and player health by 40%

twice

[uneven mason]

yeah they did 40% twice

[maiden ravine]

wasn't the second time only like 25?

[strong forum]

no

[uneven mason]

no

[strong forum]

it was 40% in df s1

and then 40% again in s2

[uneven mason]

I want bugged Seismic back

just sayuing

the buff we deserve

[maiden ravine]

10.1 was only 25%

[strong forum]

was it?

[maiden ravine]

yeah

[strong forum]

huh u rite

anyway

its still funny

that they did all that

[uneven mason]

So

[strong forum]

and healers are still mad pumping

[maiden ravine]

and healer math people will say they could've done more too

[uneven mason]

so, like just saying, 1.4*1.25

[strong forum]

also reminder

blizz said they want healers to heal tanks

in s1

but uh

[uneven mason]

never again

[strong forum]

a good tank doesnt need to be babysat

even in 31s

xd

[bleak breach]

Only fight I can think of in a while was progging brood

[maiden ravine]

They didn't ask tanks before making that statement, tanks said "No thanks"

[uneven mason]

I will commit crimes if they return us to BFA

[strong forum]

healers also said "no thanks"

healers dont want to heal tanks

thats stupid

its not fun

[bleak breach]

Healers like to blanket heal

[maiden ravine]

some crazy ones do

[strong forum]

nah i wanna do dmg

only heal when necessary, otherwise puuump

[maiden ravine]

You'll definitely find some crazy hpals that wanna have to beacon one tank and pour heals into another one.

[strong forum]

i really welcome

the 20% rsham ST dmg buffs

[uneven mason]

<---- WOTLK Classic is that way

[strong forum]

ill do 120k ST dps as rsham now

thanks

[uneven mason]

[bleak breach]

When our guild got CE on Sark our resto sham wasn’t even required to heal

[strong forum]

just a CD bot

good ol battle shaman

[bleak breach]

He got a 99 or hundo on prog for damage and literally just blew cds

And that’s the last boss in mythic first kill

[maiden ravine]

wrath players are crying cause they know Cata is coming

[uneven mason]

Cata was amazing

[bleak breach]

The game just seems to be built off of 1 shots and fluff now. Generally speaking

[strong forum]

in raid thats alright depending on boss, cuz you can then completely ignore tanks entirely

[bleak breach]

I loved Cata

[strong forum]

in m+

[uneven mason]

The only stuff that really one shots is the super projected mechanics, or high enough scaling in M+

[strong forum]

i will literally ask them to stop having beacon on me

cuz its wasted outside of VERY SPECIFIC bosses

[maiden ravine]

Because for whatever reason Blizzard cannot design raid fights that actually result in triage healing.

It's a constant healing buzz word for them

[uneven mason]

So a chunk of healing is also personal responsibility from DPS

[maiden ravine]

Up there with "we want mana to matter"

[uneven mason]

because almost all DPS have a defensive kit

[uneven mason]

yeah they need to get over this

[bleak breach]

Like a few recently have but very little come to mind. Only recent fights I can think of that were a bit tank inattentive were Brood, Zskarn pre nerf and Volcoross

[maiden ravine]

I think the closest they got to triage healing was maybe early Cata? Was fine in raids but made heroic dungeons miserable.

[bleak breach]

I generally find for both raid and M+ if I get to a point where my health is getting low I’m pretty much gonna die anyway haha

[bleak breach]

Legion had a decent balance I think

[uneven mason]

I mean

[bleak breach]

My biggest thought is when was the last time a you can remember a good raid team dying because tanks are getting stomped by the boss? Generally it’s just everyone dies around them so you call wipe then tanks let themselves die

[strong forum]

That scenario never existed

Only way for a tank to die in raid is cuz of misplay or miscommunication

[uneven mason]

Mythic Blackhand

[strong forum]

Okay you may have me there

[uneven mason]

That fucking boss

absolutely obliterated tanks

[strong forum]

I may have exaggerated, I don't know about raids that far back

Cuz I was pvp Andy until mid legion

[uneven mason]

even with good play you had to have a Disc priest and HPal just pumping your tank

[bleak breach]

Maybe not worded quite correctly but there’s been fights or even whole raids in the past where you’re atleast constantly under pressure as tank

[strong forum]

Rygelon

[novel temple]

BFD sucked as a prot warrior

Unless you were being fed externals

[uneven mason]

Can agree

[novel temple]

Highmaul was Gucci mane

[bleak breach]

BFD had the rolly maze boss yeah?

[uneven mason]

No that's BRF

[novel temple]

Ha ha

[bleak breach]

Yep haha

[novel temple]

That’s funny

[uneven mason]

Black Fathom Descent

[bleak breach]

My bad

[novel temple]

But yeah

We know what you meant

But yeah, oregorger

[bleak breach]

That’s him

[novel temple]

And gruul was one of the first bosses where shield block actually did something for a tank buster/mechanic

[coral umbra]

Any one on US servers wanna do an all tank key in like an hour?

[maiden ravine]

Oregorger was one of the funniest bosses on normal/heroic

[novel temple]

It was sexy but all the magic damage was ass

[bleak breach]

The glory days of warforging and titanforging with chance of socket

[maiden ravine]

I liked titanforging myself, but the upgrade system is a nice deterministic way to do it now

[bleak breach]

Yeah I like the item upgrade system, but I think they need to get rid of the overlap

So champion gear stops before myth rank starts etc

[maiden ravine]

nah

the overlap is the only reason normal and heroic is relevant for m+ players who don't mythic raid

[bleak breach]

Hope they eventually bring back sockets on all gear and as set drops

Don’t think the colour system will ever come back though

[strong forum]

I don't think that adds anything to the game

The colour system that is

Besides it being an "rpg element"

[bleak breach]

Yeah, I guess it just forces players to spread stats a bit, but that’s not really what the game is about

[strong forum]

It'll just stay cookie cutter

You still just sim

Or slam the ones you like the most

Doesn't grant any cool options, either you ignore the colour bonus and just slam the same gems in everywhere

Or you just get the same 3 different colour gems for all slots

[bleak breach]

I was always too OCD. Always had to get the colour bonus

[strong forum]

I was the same for the most part

Around icc is when I just started slamming the same gem for pvp

Also cuz I just got better at the game

Talking OG wrath here

Not nu-wow

[bleak breach]

I was at 78% crit when they got rid of hit rating between ICC and Cata

Yep, was a different game back then

The glory days of the 1shot bladestorm macro in arena

[maiden ravine]

The sim stuff is why I never want reforging back

[strong forum]

I miss bladestorm doing dmg by itself

But anyway

Going bedge now, is wayy too late

[bleak breach]

😢

[novel temple]

They need to let you add tertiary stats to gear someway

Without having to craft it

[warm plinth]

Good evening

[opaque quest]

Sup. Wdym evening its 4 am in the civilized world

[warm plinth]

It's 9:03PM here

[pallid quiver]

Don't believe his lies

[winged slate]

Proof of a heretic

[teal swift]

@warm plinth did you ever see the video essay about dootskeleton

[warm plinth]

No but I know what it is

[teal swift]

You should watch it

It's pretty good 🙂

[opaque quest]

Need to work soon. Civilized world is western europe btw

[uneven mason]

NGL I've been trying to convince one of my clients that they should hire me for their offices in Germany or Netherlands, so far it hasn't worked, but one day I'll get to a country that has real vacations.

[pallid quiver]

Vacations are those things employers say you get so they can embezzle more pay from at capacity vacation pay hours, right?

[warm plinth]

I get 29 days of PTO and I work for an American company 👍

They're out there!

[novel temple]

Oh shit. I just noticed we got buffed

[pallid quiver]

Don't believe his lies

[novel temple]

Military gets 30 days of leave but it sort of sucks and you can lose it*

Or your command is toxic as fuck and they just fuck you out of it

[modern gazelle]

What is this warrior tuning. Whoever is tuning warriors has no clue why warrior isn’t meta

5% extra IP mitigation is nothing and tankiness isn’t really the issue. All tanks are tanky and damage is mostly fine. Issue is that DH and Pally will always bring too much utility to pass up. Particularly DH solo interrupting entire packs for 5 minutes

[toxic pewter]

Yeah the double sigil situation may go down in wow history as one of the most imbalanced situations ever created

[modern gazelle]

Guardian Druid last season being tankier against basically infinite mobs was bad too lol. I don’t get the double sigil though. One sigil is already enough, and on a shorter cd than most other tanks similar abilities. But they get 2 fear, 2 silence and 2 pulls and an aoe stun all on 1.5min or less cd lol. Like that makes no sense

[toxic pewter]

Worst part is I assume it will keep being the case in the future

[lusty tiger]

We’re still installing ram pairs into non consecutive ram slots in 2024 right

[warm plinth]

yeah

[modern gazelle]

Yes, usually 1/3 2/4 but check your ram

I just don’t understand the logic. I am fine with one tank being more meta cause that’ll always happen. What I don’t get is giving one tank better versions of the other tanks abilities and then also giving them shorter cooldown and 2 of each…..

[toxic pewter]

Use all slots

[grand veldt]

@strong forum is it worth waiting for the whole cd of shield slam if you have the buff for the damage?

[weary saddle]

what did we get buffed - IP 5% what

[modern gazelle]

You mean violent outburst?

[grizzled nova]

dunno if that wording means 5% more shield per use of IP or buff to 55% damage prevention

it won't make a difference either way

[warm plinth]

It's 55% damage prevention

[modern gazelle]

You can toss a revenge out to see if it procs a reset on SS but it’s not really worth waiting more than one or two globals I’d say

[grand veldt]

yes

[vestal moat]

is this for sure? the reading of it suggested to me that each cast is just 5% stronger.

[warm plinth]

Yes, that's for sure. Making each cast 5% stronger would be effectively no change.

Not that making it 55% is that great either, but it's a non-zero change at least.

[vestal moat]

i'll leave it to the TCers. just feels like IP gets eaten up insta no matter what by anything so id rather it be bigger

i do like how the stam buff will make the cap slightly larger

[warm plinth]

I don't understand the logic there

You just said that it feels like IP gets eaten instantly. If that's the case, then the cap would be irrelevant.

[grand veldt]

the stam buff is like the only good part

last time they buffed our stam i got like 100k almost

[warm plinth]

Yeah the changes are nothing basically.

They don't affect literally anything

[pallid quiver]

it affects my ego

big hp bar make big happy

[warm plinth]

Very bizarre changes. I wish I'd been a fly on the wall at that meeting

[pallid quiver]

I think they think War is fine, but want to patch community perception

Because a lot of general populace people tell me that IP being too weak is why Warrior dies in two swings

[pale karma]

I think they think we’re fine because we bring couple of stuns, shout and rally

Tbh I think we are. DH kit is simply too strong.

[mental peak]

what kinda plater profiles you guys running?

[teal swift]

Dorki

[mental peak]

how do you see if you have threat or no, when the hp bars are color coded for different things?

[teal swift]

Uh, they have threat indicators

Hard to explain

[mental peak]

i see

ill check it out

[restive scroll]

Same, we just undeperform compared to other tanks, but we're still okay.

We need more strong spell reflects !

Wm/eb are cute, but not impactful enough

Let us reflect 3rd boss fall too!

Or reflect some aoe like we used to in vault of the warden for instance, that was fun

Like vortex pinacle more recently

[teal swift]

Prot war brings battleshout

Which is pretty pog ngl

[restive scroll]

Yeah, just not that important.
Like other stuff we bring

But we have a strong class identity in spell reflect, it just doesn't matter much because so few reflect impact key running

(as a tank, as dps warrior that's pretty useful in multiple places i think, not sure if it's impactful enough though)

[pale karma]

There are situations where it could shine more if we had group spell reflect again. For example, preventing crushing depths on a friendly.

ATM it might save us if we're fortunate enough to be targeted and have it off cd.

[restive scroll]

I like that

[blazing condor]

Luckily you can los the cast behind a pillar

[pale karma]

Let us drop our shield as a los pillar?

Wait. Maybe a second shield that we have in our backpack.

[empty spindle]

Which season won for prot?

[jagged pier]

S3

[strong forum]

We assume S3 but blizz hasn't made any public statement

[pallid quiver]

they go for the least voted options for each spec

10/10

[jagged pier]

S2 then

[hollow sun]

5% IP buff feels kinda insulting lol

[strong forum]

Just completely missing the mark

[strong forum]

But they cant make us more popular this xpac anymore

[median tulip]

I would rather have had some damage buffs, but hey, I'll take it

[jagged pier]

Literally does nothing

[strong forum]

Because the thing you're competing against isn't just numbers anymore

It's big numbers + helpful to your team

Aka bdk in raid is big numbers class cuz they can solo the entire game cuz nothing hits hard enough

[median tulip]

And BDK got a buff as well

[strong forum]

Purely irrelevant one

Like straight up

It's a less effective buff than we got

Ours actually does something

For bdk its like 0.2 keylevels worth of extra armor

[pallid quiver]

but hear me out

execute buff that deals 200% of the target's remaining HP as damage for fated season

[strong forum]

And for m+ you're competing with tanks that can either pull the entire game and not need a point of help because they scale with pullsize (s2 bear/current vdh) or they can shut down entire pulls by themselves (vdh/pala) or have really fucking good externals/healing/cheese (prot pala)

So to make pwar popular in the face of those requirements

It's a very tall fucking order

I'm not necessarily saying I want all of those things

I'm just saying that giving us a 5% EHP buff ain't gonna help towards that

[next yacht]

Im fine with lack of utility for prot warr,but at least we should do more damage or something than other tanks

[karmic gyro]

Lack of utility doesn't work with how they design dungeons now a days

[west walrus]

Damage output is not the issue

How helpful you are to your team is the issue

[blazing condor]

Just do 1m dps and youre very helpful

[next yacht]

Ofc thats the biggest issue but if they dont want to buff the utility ill be fine with doing more damage at least

[forest fern]

Yeah but they don’t want bfa prot again cause big damage will cause no balance either. In our favour sure but same issue

[blazing condor]

But we got bfa prot again

Just clap clap clap

[median tulip]

Part of it is dungeon design and the season dungeon choices. There are 2 places, I think, where our fear break is even effective. And neither are in any way necessary to the success of the encounter.

[teal swift]

The answer historically has been, make them shit out such absurdly high amounts of damage nothing else matters

And I kinda think it's unhealthy LOL

[mental peak]

anyone know what this yellow bar is and how do i get rid of it?

[blazing condor]

maybe some personal resource display?

[mental peak]

its always full and its there out of combat too

personal resource display is off

[blazing condor]

check ur WAs

[uneven mason]

It's part of the base ui

But I can't remember what it was

[mental peak]

oh i think it was a bugged cast bar, yea in base ui

[tribal wharf]

people on dratnos vidso dooming about protwarrior not get buffs

[blazing condor]

https://clips.twitch.tv/BumblingColdPeanutNerfBlueBlaster-tzLrUC6TzEB4GbQo

heres a clip of petko's group doing the portals

they still had 1 riftmage alive and the area wasn't cleared - so probably just "clear so chromie starts doing one portal then go to the other"

[teal swift]

There's your mistake

You're watching a dratnos video

[echo egret]

Yeah there are some fixed and some patrolling riftmages, probably the patrolling are optional.

[west walrus]

You just need to kill the riftmage channeling near a gate

[mental peak]

i think you also have to walk near the portal to get chromie to start his rp there

[west walrus]

Then being near the portal triggers the opening

Maybe 30m is enough, you do not have to be next to it

[restive scroll]

At least the metz is significantly wider than previous season to be fair.
S2 with godcomp was super annoying.
There seems to be some variations with s3, that's something.
Even if we're still not meta

[warm plinth]

I went into heroic DotI and soloed to this point just to test this. The sand has to be cleared to both portals and the rift mages channeling on them have to be dead (not just pulled). You do not need to go near the portal.

[blazing condor]

idk in the clip i sent they didnt clear around the left portal

just pulled and killed that one riftmage

and went close to the portal

[warm plinth]

Hmm. Maybe it's one or the other then? I only had one opportunity to test, and my primary goal was to answer the question of how many mages needed to be killed. On the first portal, I cleared the sand to it. 2nd portal i cleared sand. Then I pulled both mages back up on to the steps. Chromie wouldn't move from the top of the steps til a mage was killed but I didn't go back down to stand next to either portal and she still opened them.

[blazing condor]

i believe in what Kuku said

seems to be what they did

kill each mage on the portal and be close

[warm plinth]

I wasn't close though

[blazing condor]

🤷‍♂️

[warm plinth]

You can see where my paladin is standing; I was further up the stairs behind that when I killed the two mages

And those are the two patrolling mages

[orchid frigate]

Ok im a bit undergeared but wtf? On tyrannical double pull first two packs of the dungeon wreck me. What’s up with that? 😓

In throne

[grim pilot]

sounds like skill issue

[strong forum]

dogs

also the invaders jump behind you with their charge

[orchid frigate]

Aah ok

Sounds reasonable

[orchid frigate]

Yeah have only played a couple of keys as prot so far 🙂

[restive scroll]

If the dogs stay alive too long, that pull gets difficult

[vocal flame]

these new patch notes or something?

[blazing condor]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-class-tuning-on-january-23-buffs-to-many-specs-337247?webhook

[vocal flame]

ioooo

The boomkin said "i am int the most"

[blazing condor]

fake image

no way your team together has 25 interrupts

its usually something like 5

[warm plinth]

Pwar meta now w/ those massive changes amirite

[blazing condor]

i mean since you can stack IP then yeah probably

gonna be a huge absorb now

[warm plinth]

🤔 I can't tell if you're just adding on to my sarcasm or if you're serious

[blazing condor]

u think so little of me

[warm plinth]

I'm sorry 😭

Someone earlier was like oh the buff to IP is nothing because it instadepletes anyway. But I like the change to the HP because now the IP cap will be higher

Top tier logic

[vocal flame]

I like the IP buff it reminds me of that expac when IP was insane

When the heck are they gonna fix bagnon

[warm plinth]

Just use AdiBags 4Head

[toxic pewter]

when it comes to the IP buff, is the 50% of damage ignored bit turning into 55% or is the literal overall amount IP can heal increase by 5%

[warm plinth]

The 50% damage ignored bit is turning into 55%

[toxic pewter]

hmmm

if our IP gets used up anyway will this even increase our hps

if the overall amount stays the same

[warm plinth]

Either way the change is basically nothing

[toxic pewter]

i guess will make ip last a bit longer

yea

hmm

[warm plinth]

I have no idea what the thought process was for either of these changes

[blazing condor]

not like we were in need of a buff anyway

its just free

[toxic pewter]

yah ill take it

[violet ginkgo]

sadge, but well nothing nerf anyway I'll take those 2 small buffs

[chilly brook]

Free stamina is good

I’ll take free stam

[ashen coral]

More stamina is cool since almost all of our heal are % based (+ ip cap who is higher which is still cool)

The other change may reduce the amount of time we have ip capped

[raw parcel]

GUYS. We got BUFFED! YEEEEAAAAH!

I mean a relatively tiny buff, but shit, I'll take it.

[warm plinth]

Nice game blizzard

[blazing condor]

what am i lookin at?

volkal totems that got full health again

but what more exactly

[strong forum]

Some had 50% healing reduction

[warm plinth]

Two of them only half healed

[strong forum]

Cuz arms/havoc

Or rogue

Rogue can have poison with healing reduction

[blazing condor]

yeah ive noticed that they dont always full heal

[strong forum]

Havoc can have the healing reduction talent from blade dance

And arms well, mortal strike

[modern gazelle]

You kill 2 riftmages and have to step near the two portals. Don’t have to clear the sand or kill the mages that pat

[grizzled nova]

1. Pwar utilization extremely low in both raid and m+
2. "they probably die too much or something"
3. toss them token survival buffs
4. continue to ignore the massive gulf in group utility between classes

[uneven mason]

We shouldn't just buff prot warriors, paladins probably need something to keep them from being last

*Protection Paladins now can cast Heroism

[tribal wharf]

my opnion is if a totem heals it should send out a small heal aoe around the totem, cuz like, itss a heal thing somehow, thats my logic

cuz, its youve already started to fail, might fail, and its a a nice littl ething that if totems does goes wrong

[tribal wharf]

and condemn

and banner

and remove spear from warrior tree, add to one of the dps warriior tres or both

[grizzled nova]

"We've noticed an increase use rate on Vengeance, likely due to the power of Illuminated Sigils. We've developed the following adjustments to ensure classes remain on even footing."
-Avenger's Shield now also kicks and silences secondary bounce targets as well.

[tribal wharf]

then im happy

replace spear in warrior tree with condemn and related shit and i am forever happy

[torn gust]

i do like condemn

[tribal wharf]

i said it from BEFORE dragon flight launched

all i ever wanted to do

[grizzled nova]

Would solve nothing.

[tribal wharf]

is cut off some fuckin heads

is this too much to ask?

[grizzled nova]

Get shockwave out of the capstone area and baseline it, baseline intimidating shout to make menace useful, lower the CD on disrupting shout, lower the CD on pummel, make intervene useful.

Changing the capstone we use for damage will do nothing.

We do fine damage.

And the problem is that we do fine damage and literally nothing else.

[tribal wharf]

remove the bloat in beserker rage and intimidating shout talents

[grizzled nova]

Why take fine damage when you can have fine damage with a vdh or ppala who also have gobs of insane utility absolutely dwarfing anything pwar can do.

[tribal wharf]

thats also my opinion about warrior tree, that shit is just literal bloat, sucks you have to take weird talents to get intervene

id say move second wind into both of the dps trees, since prot warrior can ever effective use it

i dont mean remove for dps stuff but i mean there should be less of them, different spots, another effect thats more usable overall

[grizzled nova]

Baseline shockwave, make it a knock up instead of a stun, put rumbling earth where the shockwave talent is currently.

Make interven do something useful, it only exists as a pvp talent now on the pve talent tree for some reason.

[restive scroll]

I actually started to play -2 secs on pummel sometimes, it's not that bad.
But i do miss safeguard on intervene, that was fun as hell

[grizzled nova]

Reduce pummel CD to 12 seconds.

[uneven mason]

Replace that stupid talent that makes heroic throw apply deep wounds and bring back gag order

[grizzled nova]

imagine if ss kicked holy everyone would have a meltdown

but ppala having a 4s kick cd is okay for some reason

Again, I think most of the utility issue for warrior is borne entirely out of pvp considerations, and they just don't want to deal with the duality problem of coming up with solutions that will make it okay for both.

Avenger's shield doesn't kick in pvp which is why it's okay that it does in pve, but they seem totally unwilling to work those kinds of solultions for warrior in pve/pvp.

[restive scroll]

We used to dispel offensively on SS, that was preffy fun

[pliant trout]

https://i.imgur.com/SOrsDZJ.png

based B-)

[restive scroll]

What's their classes? x)

[pliant trout]

no idea was a single dude

[hazy bronze]

Same

[storm dragon]

is there a list somewhere that says what embellishments to chase and which, if any, tier piece we can skip?

[restive scroll]

Probably at least part of it in the pins
The way to go is wrist/cloack shadowflame + one ring pocket & forget about helm

[uneven mason]

Not really, we like all stats, but embellishment we use double shadow flame

Embellishments are pretty low impact for prot war

So instead we just minimize the stat loss by crafting the lowest stat budget armor slots

[wooden trail]

i love weekends

[uneven mason]

Yazma is pretty hard for people unless they understand how the spiders work

[wooden trail]

the key started with a lock running in the middle of the razan pit while having pursuit

[storm dragon]

thanks. i didnt see it in there though

im pretty new. i know this is not really a newbie server, so i just wanted the basics. and then i can learn by playing

[restive scroll]

It's easily missed, no worry =)

[wooden trail]

i lose a lot of stats after 30% haste or i can keep stack like a monkey

[restive scroll]

If you don't min max, it doesn't matter, play anything.
Having a lot of haste is fun though

"Cap" is at 7k1

[wooden trail]

yeh well

[restive scroll]

tell me about it

[uneven mason]

Do 7100 rating is the 2nd tier of DR, so haste starts to fall behind (but is still strong) it's a good time to start shifting enchants and gems

[restive scroll]

Someone posted with *exactly * 7k1

[wooden trail]

when you say it start fall behind, we are talking about something like 0.1% dps?

[restive scroll]

probably in those kinds of levels, yes

[wooden trail]

perfect i can keep stack haste as a monkey thanks

[uneven mason]

I'd just sim

[wooden trail]

but sims doesnt take account of having fun while playing as value

[uneven mason]

I guess, if you feel like you need more haste have at

[mental peak]

are auto attack macros still relevant/useful?

[uneven mason]

No?

Uh you mean putting/start attack on all your offensive buttons?

That's a throwback to when everything cost rage and if you didn't have the rage to use the attack your character would just sit there and pick it's nose

Now we have generators that get attacks started

[opaque quest]

Arent all european countries the same in terms of vacation days? I got no idea

But yes. Most employers even force you to take your vacation. Its great. Cause you either take the vacation or they gotta pay you for every missed day

[blazing condor]

europe is a country

wym

[uneven mason]

I'm in America jr

[opaque quest]

[opaque quest]

Yeah i know just thought you had some expertise

Maybe you had done the research

[uneven mason]

I'm not sure, I just know that their company gives 6weeks vacation and 2 "breaks" of 2 weeks on top of that where they go into a blackout period

So 10weeks mandatory pto

[opaque quest]

Its great. Unions not being bombarded is amazing

[pastel sleet]

Am i missing something? Were we dying before the buff? I feel like vanguard was not our weakpoint

[uneven mason]

No
It's not

[opaque quest]

No but other tanks are so far ahead that we needed something

[uneven mason]

Like a 20% damage buff

[opaque quest]

[uneven mason]

Or some utility that is noticable

Dying isn't our problem

Like shit compared to what paladins have we should have kept raid wide shield wall

We'd still be behind in utility

[jagged pier]

It was party wide not raid wide

[uneven mason]

Sorry *
We could have raid wide shield wall and still be behind in utility

[blazing condor]

t13 had that

was kinda op back then at least

[ruby void]

Still don’t see why they don’t give us war banners with various buffs. Drop a banner and everyone gets multi strike for 20 seconds.

[blazing condor]

we also had that

back in mop

[ruby void]

Fits the theme of “battlefield commander”, I mean 🤷🏻‍♂️

[blazing condor]

i dont know how it was on a high level with those banners though - only the dps one was op iirc

threat/demo was whatever

[opaque quest]

It wasnt. All the encounters were balanced around it. Both tanks needed 4p to even attempt ultraxion

[blazing condor]

yeah fair lol

[opaque quest]

I want it back anyways ngl

[uneven mason]

Skull Banner, 20% crit damage or something cookie

needed to be 20% Critical strike imo

was hard to figure out what hte real impact was though when you had tanks doing 40% of your raids damage due to vengeance

[opaque quest]

Taunt banner was wild in challenge modes too

Skull banner was wild in raids. I remember having banner rotas

[uneven mason]

required to meet the damage check on heroic garrosh

as well as disrupting shout being OP for MCs

[opaque quest]

Man Garrosh HC 10 man was pain

We were barely scraping by early on with no gear meeting the dps check so packs in jade temple didnt cast a 4th time

[uneven mason]

training our hunters how to kite

was a forgotten skill already at that point

in a Fryguy pug atm

tank was tanking him in the firepools

ragepulled the boss when we booted him for doing it 3 pulls in a row

love pugs

[opaque quest]

We had a monk tank kite in SoO after we went 25 man

Ragepulling is part of pugging. If nobody rage pulls is it even a pug raid

Iron star was kited by our holy priest

[blazing condor]

tank kiting kinda chad

reminds me of how we did council in nathria

have to run around kiting the stoneguards for last phase

[opaque quest]

We didnt have a druid for spine so we had a warr kite the blood. If they touched him once he just exploded

[uneven mason]

man

I give up

I'm without a Fryak kill because my guild is doing only mythic prog now