protection

[modern gazelle]

so wondering why he chooses ursine on those two dungeons

[tribal wharf]

is 172k dps good for monk

i dunno

we had monk and they were saying monk broken somethin i dunno, not a monk

[trim bay]

yea key level. wasn't being smart or anything. was curious if it was key level or haste level that you would change the talent.

but ty for help

[blazing condor]

you just go for the haste rating yeah

the goal is to have high SB uptime and that isnt really changed by key level

but obviously its more "important" the higher you go

[pallid quiver]

you're important

gottem

[blazing condor]

https://tenor.com/view/collie-what-rough-collie-dog-gif-16235432

[strong forum]

cuz signet is trash in rise

and dht maybe cuz invis skips

[trim bay]

no I know that. I was just curious about the point that ITF lowers SB cooldown the same or more than HR with the extension when u SS. haste is king

[trim bay]

no. healer issue

jks

[modern gazelle]

true possibly, and then might not have fyrakks as alternative

though he runs brand on both those keys for fort

[blazing condor]

tldr; trinkets aren't all that

[strong forum]

maybe he didnt have gift

you never know

im one of the fortunate few who can run optimal trinkets in every key

and in rise i would probably play rageheart+augury

[modern gazelle]

i just run cheat death+rageheart tbh safer and still fine damage

[strong forum]

i would feel icky

[patent osprey]

Im pretty sure he doesn't run it anymore, but I think it is all he had at the time. Definitely signet/heart are way better trinkets for their designed purposes Offense/defense.

Personally my warrior is in heart prison and can't get one for the life of me so RIP 🙂

In alot of circumstances it hasn't mattered that much as I find other ways to live, but specifically in Fall/Rise and Throne it is pretty rough to do without a Fyrakk tainted heart

[blazing condor]

i wish i had the rageheart

even if you play cheat its only a help every 8th minute and a lot can happen in those minutes

not to mention if your group wipes on a boss its 8 minutes anyway for no value

[bleak breach]

So what trinks do you guys run for keys? Augury/heart?

[blazing condor]

since i dont got much i run rezan+brand or either one of those + cheat

[bleak breach]

I’m missing augury so might run branch and heart or signet and heart

[forest sinew]

any tips on dodge the bear charge on 1st boss of dht? i can do it with heroic leap available

[blazing condor]

you just let him knock you back

then stay there

and side step the charge

[forest sinew]

ok thanks

im trying to figure outwhat keybiind i wanna change my IP to

[patent osprey]

u should be able to leap after every knockback to dodge the frontal part of hte it

[forest sinew]

cause i have it currently on q. and it seems hard to hit tc on x and shield slam on 1 at the same time to help me make use of non gcd

[patent osprey]

if you want to 100% dodge the frontal every time

its also better than side stepping in my opinion because leaping will make sure the boss doesn't change his vector at all and accidentally kill your melee

As long as you use the leap last second

[blazing condor]

didnt know you could leap it. Havent done it on high enough tyr that i worried about the charge

just kinda did the brainless knock > charge back > take hit

[patent osprey]

You can definitely almost take the hit everytime, but why add 1 gcd the healer has to heal you vs, doing damage to boss 🙂

[pallid patio]

heyhey, how do you guys handle the big dogpack in tott? i fear nothing not even the bleed of rezan in 26 keys but these dogs always get me...

[blazing condor]

cus my healers dont deal damage anyway

[blazing condor]

if you got an evoker they can cauterize it, otherwise just bring CCs and pray

i jump out and kite if i need to but thats not really optimal

beats dying though

[pallid patio]

atm im cycling evoker and dwarf racial but as you say i should maybe kite them

[blazing condor]

i have a monk that just rings it

when i get higher stacks

[forest sinew]

what keybind do you guys use for ip?

[grand veldt]

I macro it to my shield slam

[toxic pewter]

O_O

[pallid patio]

X idk how but all my tanks got their mitigation on x for quick thumb presses

[soft plume]

shift x is my ip, x is my shield block

[soft plume]

how tf u pressing X with ur thumb wat?

[uneven mason]

I couldn't imagine holding shift that much

[pallid patio]

EU

its your Y

or Z?

[grand veldt]

Yeah

I just set 1 for shield slam with ignore pain

[uneven mason]

IP is mousewheel

[grand veldt]

Shift 1 for shield slam without it

[uneven mason]

No

[toxic pewter]

yeah but if you have IP bound to SS you may end up ragestarving yourself

[uneven mason]

Never bind IP to ss

You bind SS to IP

It's an important distraction

[grand veldt]

1, shift-1

[pallid patio]

nah forget it idk what i just typed there but still i press x with left thumb its directly above spacebar

[bleak breach]

I just use 1 and have shield slam macrod to go straight after IP

[forest sinew]

is that common to macro ss and ip together?

[blazing condor]

its a pretty good macro but ONLY if the order is IP > SS

[forest sinew]

so it would be /cast shield slam then /cast ignore pain?

[blazing condor]

not macro IP onto SS

other way around

[forest sinew]

oh oik ok

[blazing condor]

cast IP > cast SS

[forest sinew]

so that way ip goes first?

[grand veldt]

No I'm in a minority

[blazing condor]

that way if you get a SS proc while you press IP it will insta-snipe it

putting IP on SS will just rage starve you

[uneven mason]

IP on your SS leads to rage starvation, SS on your IP snipe's SS resets

[grand veldt]

I have SB, IP, SS, Avatar macro together in that order

[forest sinew]

ok appreciate it. cause that would help me alot to get ip usage better and help me dump rage

[grand veldt]

I also make it so my macro clears my target, hits the closest legal target, and then returns back to my target so I never have a target out of range issue for SS or impending victory

[blazing condor]

heres the full explanation

[grand veldt]

You're also generally supposed to at a min max level keep track of how much ignore pain you have, like you wouldnt want to cast it when it's full. But just to keep the buff up

But I cbf

[uneven mason]

No

Stop

Bro

[grand veldt]

Literally what Andy brew said

But okay tell me more about how you know more than him

[blazing condor]

@strong forum

[grand veldt]

I'll link the clip rn sec

[uneven mason]

Our entire kit revolves around cycling rage as fast as possible

Over capping IP shouldn't even be a thought

It's unlikely to happen in minmax content anyway

[grand veldt]

https://youtu.be/37c4R3sofKc?si=oZO27zQjQsRh8-C1

23:40

[blazing condor]

whats failed to take into context here is the fact that he's in s2

[grand veldt]

All his suggestions didn't seem seasonal related

But okay

[blazing condor]

using IP was already good because you fuel your entire offensive / defensive rotation through Anger Management, but now in s3 with tier set you literally use ip even more

because of fervid

[grand veldt]

Yeah I'm aware

[blazing condor]

more rage spent = more shield wall + more avatar = more rage generated

[uneven mason]

I mean it's always been unnecessary to track IP because we've been using outburst and anger management all expansion but especially s3

[grand veldt]

I'm the one macroing IP to SS

This is what min maxers tell me not something I follow

Just assumed they knew better

[uneven mason]

But in all seriousness, top grade m+ players rarely are masters of all the minor interactions of any specific tank class, high keys have more to do with knowledge of damage profiles and what major parts of the kit counteract it

We had dudes clearing +30s with 60% of their casts being swipe

[blazing condor]

if you really wanna get an opinion on whats best just go read the logs

see IP casts

see if they "overstack" ip

look at any #1 pwarr and you're gonna find that they do in fact cast IP when its already full

[uneven mason]

To be fair at +25 and above IP lasts about as long as a snickers bar at a fat camp

So its not really a thought anyway, but it should never be a focus

[karmic gyro]

i'm not hearing andy saying to never overcap IP, just that some people will spam IP way too much

[toxic pewter]

LMFAO

[blazing condor]

which is 100% true. many new pwarrs think IP is the main mitigation

[karmic gyro]

like if you're out of avatar and SS+TC are both on CD, you just refreshed IP a global ago

ofc you want to spend your rage on Revenge to try and snipe SS reset

instead of just pressing IP again

[strong forum]

In that specific context Andy said he shouldn't have used SB and instead use it on IP cuz he had more than enough SB duration left and instead would've benefitted more from the IP cast

Which is not wrong

And what Boye pointed out

Don't oversend IP blindly and leave yourself rage starved

[uneven mason]

Yeah but none of that is "monitor IP and never over cap"

[strong forum]

Yeah that's pure bogus

[uneven mason]

[strong forum]

If you have too much rage, you send IP

It's that simple.

There's no afterthought

Nothing else

[karmic gyro]

oh did someone say that, was just going by the 20 seconds of andy i listened to with the timestamp hehe

[strong forum]

You send IP at 60-80 rage unless you know for a fact you won't generate alot of rage in the next few globals and you have full IP and you know you will take alot of dmg soon

Lotta conditionals

[karmic gyro]

yeah, it's not something that happens often but it will happen a few times during a whole key

[strong forum]

And those conditions aren't relevant for 99.9% of players

I wouldn't even say a few times in a key

[warm plinth]

@strong forum what's average CD of TR in raid w/ uproar?

[strong forum]

35sec

[warm plinth]

gracias

[strong forum]

Maybe bit lower if you're gaming

Lemme look at my logs

Yeah 35

[warm plinth]

[muted dome]

What would be the best 2 embellishments for m+ guys?

[blazing condor]

2x shadowflame is usually the go to

[muted dome]

And as stats? Haste / Vers , right?

[blazing condor]

Either haste vers or haste crit

I personally go haste crit

[frosty mango]

I’ve had IP macroed to thunderclap for the past 2 weeks just to see how troll it is, I haven’t noticed and neither have any healers. 23-25 level so you’re probably right

Still have my reg bind but I’ve exclusively used this macro (that I am not recommending anyone else use because it is lazy and bad) to see if it would feel different and it doesn’t.

[zenith horizon]

is being full vers mastery why my damage is so low

when im tanking keys

(im vers mast for fury)

like im struggling to break 100k dps for most keys

[blazing condor]

Secondaries arent the most important so theres probably other things

But as far as secondaries go yeah thats pretty bad

Whats your haste%?

[zenith horizon]

14%

[blazing condor]

Lmao rip

Like yeah its not gonna make or break your damage

But 14% feels reeeal bad as a pwarr

[teal swift]

Being full vers mastery is trolling pretty hard

[frosty mango]

Unless your goal is to not die

[teal swift]

No, it's just troll

[frosty mango]

Zdps build

That’s a joke

[teal swift]

Lmao oh okay I saw the zdps

And was like diablobrain

[zenith horizon]

its kinda rough, im pushing 25 -26 keys as fury

but im also tanking 22-23s for my mates

[teal swift]

Oh, so you're not like trying to itemize like a monkey?

[frosty mango]

If you’re pushing 25/26 just go slam a bunch of 17s and farm up your haste gear

[zenith horizon]

yeah i cant really like recraft all my 486s to restat

every other night

[teal swift]

You see people do weird stat itemizatioks on tanks for "survival" and you're like

[frosty mango]

Do you have augury and gholak?

[zenith horizon]

yes

[teal swift]

Yeah, respect

People unironically stack vers as tanks for reasons like "I don't wanna die"

[frosty mango]

Yeah throw on some haste and crit that dps will come right up

[teal swift]

Instead of being like, yeah I do pvp

[frosty mango]

Low crit + augury is a lot of dps loss

[zenith horizon]

the issue is i cant competitviely tank as a prot warrior

[still solar]

does anyone have a link to the spell reflect/block article

excel sheet

[zenith horizon]

in 25 keys

[pale karma]

What gets you?

[zenith horizon]

it feels awful not havign silence for every pack

compared to my vdh

[blazing condor]

In pins

[pale karma]

Are you taking intim shout?

[zenith horizon]

yeah, it helps but like

[still solar]

thanks, for some reason i forgot pins were channel specific

[zenith horizon]

i cant just use it on pull and expect the mobs to be dragged with me to the next pack

[frosty mango]

Your dps gotta help you

[pale karma]

Moving mobs is certainly more difficult than bdk and vdh

[zenith horizon]

yeah im just chill with tanking 22s and 23s as warrior

anything higher its not a good experience for myself or my mates lol

[pale karma]

Last boss on rise this week on 23 ripped me a new one even though I’m 486

[frosty mango]

Is that iridikron or deios

If it’s deios the breath dot is ugly and you gotta cd every one or you’re gonna get rolled

[pale karma]

I use two cds per

Fyrak trinket, health stone, impending victory. Healer was struggling I think.

The dot is nasty af regardless yeah

[blazing condor]

The breath is one thing

But

Youre also getting blasted by the ads

[modern gazelle]

ah, okay makes sense, rageheart is def huge helps a ton, rise i am struggling with final boss but i think its just cause i havent been leaping the frontals from fear of hitting people but i just need to do it anyways

i do run cheat+rage mostly just for safety though as much as id like to run brand or augury if i had one

[teal swift]

When running sub optimal content, like 25 and lower, I shill shit like cheat death trinket.

Comfort > sub 1% group dps

[frosty mango]

You can spell reflect some of that

[edgy bone]

How are ya'll dealing with the breaths on last boss of Rise

specifically the dot afterwards

[modern gazelle]

Have to leap in higher keys.

[edgy bone]

Wait what

[modern gazelle]

I did a 26, went perfectly till final boss and I just wasn’t leaping enough

[edgy bone]

How do I leap it

[modern gazelle]

You can’t really live it

[edgy bone]

I thought it follows you

[modern gazelle]

You max range leap it

[edgy bone]

Could you explain a little deeper?

[modern gazelle]

You leap as far as you can, the breath has a max distance

[edgy bone]

So I leap directly backwards?>

[modern gazelle]

It follows you but you can out range it

Yes, but has to be towards the open cause it has to be max range

[edgy bone]

can i leap sideways at all

or has to be straight back

[pallid quiver]

It just tracks you if you go sideways

[modern gazelle]

https://youtu.be/BCRzuMrFR-0?t=1812

[pallid quiver]

So the literal only reason to go sideways is to 360 no scope one of your DPS/Healer

[modern gazelle]

at that timestamp he leaps if you want an example

has to be max range away from the boss, cant go sideways

[edgy bone]

ohhh

s you can turn your back to it

and leap mid cast

doens't have to be down to the milisecond

[modern gazelle]

just realize this only really works if group knows

otherwise pug dps will 99% die

[edgy bone]

dude

thats so badass

prot warrior is BiS

[modern gazelle]

lol no, we are def not, its worse having to leap that than being able to just live it

[edgy bone]

no way bro its hella cooler

https://tenor.com/view/extreme-skate-boarding-x-games-sloan-gold-gif-3455849

[modern gazelle]

anyone know if you can bop cancel the frontal though?

or will it reset agro immediately and target someone else

[pallid quiver]

They just need to not be standing in front of the dragon

If you pre-point it, they should, hopefully, move

They may curse you internally, but

And if they don't move

Well, they probably weren't doing DPS anyway

[timber nest]

shrooms on mythic tindral timing is TIGHHHHT

[waxen frigate]

its cringe

[pale karma]

Short explain of changes from heroic?

[waxen frigate]

more lag

harder

[timber nest]

@pale karma 8 total shrooms instead of 4, dispells need to be spread out otherwise you wipe, melee need to pick up orbs otherwise you wipe

[waxen frigate]

ngl i forgot heroic doesnt have green shrooms

[uneven mason]

48 deaths on a 21 TOTT 🤮

had 1 death and 12minutes when we hit the last boss, fuck that fight

[warm plinth]

How the fuck

[modern gazelle]

People don’t know how to clear or group for adds. So frustrating when people stay spread and adds agro them cause they don’t kick

[polar crypt]

anyone experiencing bugs on Mythic Council with taunting Urctos? We taunt after every claw. At times, the off tank will taunt for the 2nd claw & the boss will either not change target (i noticed this would sometimes happen if the tank is not directly on top of the boss) or it will change target to the off tank but then go immediately back to the main tank and smack him with a 2nd claw without that tank taunting back

[pallid patio]

they effed up alot of stuff this patch. saw a vid earlier where echo had that happened to them.
me personaly i get snapped around alot in m+ keys for no reason since reset

[harsh trellis]

Do you have any logs? - I have seen some funky things with urctos.

I had a question for mythic Lardoar. I would like to know how far out do you have to go for charge? Is there a max range?

Like all the way to the orange fire near the wall?

[modern gazelle]

Jump out decently far, and charge back. Doesn’t need to be max. Tbh you always have a defensive for it so it’s not hard to live

[harsh trellis]

With you saying charge back, means im going way too far.

because when he hauls ass back to center, when I charge im still in the black

[modern gazelle]

Claw, taunt, claw, and then you can wait, or you can taunt again so that one tank always has first frontal and boss overlaps while other tank always places charges

Just dont get diminishing returns

[modern gazelle]

That’s WAY too far

[polar crypt]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a1qT8hL37Vd9ACPf#boss=2728&difficulty=5&wipes=1 @harsh trellis

[modern gazelle]

which fight

[polar crypt]

council

[modern gazelle]

which pull though

need to know which pull it was having issues to be able to see if it was cause of dr

[polar crypt]

it was happen a lot, not every single pull but most

let me check best example

check pull 9. looks like the DK taunted at 26 seconds & the boss didnt rotate

errr let me see, looks like he was 0.7 seconds late there

[modern gazelle]

you guys are taunting too much

he taunts pull, you taunt 8s, he taunts 12s and you taunt 21s

then looks like he taunts again at like 28s

are you taking the first frontal or is he?

also i dont play dk but why is he using death grip to taunt and not dark command?

im not the best log analyzer though @warm plinth is decent at looking at them

[polar crypt]

we switched to him taking first

you think its becomming taunt immune because too much is going out?

[modern gazelle]

cant taunt more than 3 times in 20s

start of fight should be DK taunt, takes first frontal, you taunt, take frontal, point charge at people, dk taunts once boss runs back and takes frontal, then you drag taunt and drag to aerwin for next frontal, point charge at people, and then either you hold boss agro for the boss overlap or you dk can taunt after boss is all the way back and it should be fine

but there are no more frontals at that point so he doesnt have to taunt

[polar crypt]

ok, its absolutely makes sense now

we didnt know if it was some type of bug or what

thank you for putting a fresh set of eyes on this

[modern gazelle]

the way i do it is, i taunt and take frontal, co tank taunts and takes frontal, boss charges, when boss is back (wait till its actually back) i taunt and take frontal, co tank taunts and takes frontal, charge, then i taunt so that i am moving boss for the overlap, rinse and repeat

that way i am in charge of boss position for every single overlap as well as making sure aerwin gets hit by charge during the overlaps, meanwhile my co tank is in charge of pointing the normal charges at melee/range every time

i always take first frontal, co tank always takes second that way

makes it very simple for knowing whos job it is to do what at any given time and the fight becomes pretty choreographed

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XmJFZNL4qj72vPVM#fight=29&type=threat

here is my last pull on the boss, havent been raiding much cause guild ended up with roster boss issues now

and here is my prog kill of it if you want to see what my prog info looked like so you can compare to something closer to what yours might look like

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RQ86JX27grcWz4ym#fight=8&type=damage-done

[polar crypt]

my man

[brave jetty]

god Deois is just a fucking nightmare this week

not getting healers in any of my pugs that can keep groups up even when mechs are clean

[pallid quiver]

put my shaman in as resto, then

I still won't be able to keep the group up, but

at least it's not a change from baseline

[teal swift]

That blows.

Blame healer if they can't keep DPS alive through mechs despite the dps using defensives.

Blame tank if tank dies
Blame healer if healer dies
Blame healer if DPS die despite playing well

[brave jetty]

DPS were solid and were visibly using defensives, handling orbs

[teal swift]

Yeah, uh I have a gif for this

Bin the healer

[brave jetty]

I know afflicted is a pain but ugh

[restive scroll]

Not a great push week anyway, next tyranical will be better

[teal swift]

Well, it was even worse recently due to bugs

Fucking afflicted acting like players LOL

Made AD so much fun

[hardy snow]

you can just start walking into the fire and then leap back right after he hits you

[teal swift]

@brave jetty gl friendo

[brave jetty]

But yeah I don't understand Deois' tuning whatsoever

[ionic fern]

?

[jagged pier]

its tuned fine

[brave jetty]

he just feels insane

[jagged pier]

ppl are just bad

like what lvl key u doing?

[brave jetty]

this was just a 22

[teal swift]

It's one of the harder bosses to heal

As a tank it's fine. But as a healer there's a lot of damage going out in p1

[jagged pier]

yer like boss been nerfed since launch, ppl did like 22 in the first few weeks before that in like 30 ilvls less

so seems like tuning is fine tbh

[teal swift]

People killed mythic tindral week 2 as well

Doesn't mean that fight isn't hard as fuck

[jagged pier]

i never said it wasnt hard

hes arguing its overtuned

[teal swift]

Okie I misunderstood

[jagged pier]

which it isnt

[teal swift]

Ah, sorry misunderstood

Yeah, it's very doable, it's just a shitty fight as a healer

Funny how when there is actual damage that has to be healed

You get healer gated

[brave jetty]

just feels liek a significant boss dmg outlier compared to almost everything else

[teal swift]

It's a healer check boss

[brave jetty]

obv i can't vouch for the bleeding edge levels of tuning

[teal swift]

It feels hard, because it is.

Healer check bosses often feel unsurmountable

Because we aren't healing them lmao

Either they go crisp

Or they limp soggy fish n chips

@jagged pier do they have that fake vinegar stuff where you live

I heard some places there don't even have real vinegar

But this fake stuff in bottles

[jagged pier]

nah in the weird uk ppl actualy like vinegar so its real

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-steve-carell-ew-gif-4695474

[teal swift]

I like vinegar, but only on fish sticks and things

And fish n chips lol

But I don't drown my shit in it

I watched my dad pour half the bottle of malt vineagr

[turbid elbow]

What's up prot warriors hows it feel playing prot this week

[jagged pier]

as it feels every week

its fine

[ionic fern]

Not really.

It's chill.

Or well, not an "outlier".

[brave jetty]

maybe my healer was the outlier lol

[pallid quiver]

If you're playing properly, adds are dying, and healer is pressing buttons, it should be pretty fine

[ionic fern]

It's definitely heavier on the tank damage, but nothing too troublesome.

[pallid quiver]

If those three aren't happening, you're having a bad imte

To have good time, also, remember to face adds if you're using spell block or else cd no worky

A good chunk of the damage you take during P1 is mostly actually from those adds; the casts kinda hurt

[brave jetty]

Was doing that, I think it was just heals panic

Fell behind and short circuited his brain

[ionic fern]

Je, if adds stay alive too long and healer isn't prepared for the extra damage intake during add phases you're going to have a bad time.

[pallid quiver]

do pugs still insist on lusting P2 that fight

I have not actually been in that dungeon since week 1

[ionic fern]

No idea

I only pug on my mage and then i lust whenever i got CD's.

😂

[teal swift]

Healers pretty miserable on that boss though

There's a lot of AOE damage to heal through

But prot warriors pretty comfy everywhere as all tanks are

[ionic fern]

Ya, but it's not really a outlier.

[teal swift]

My healer friend struggles more there than most bosses, so I'm not really sure if that's accurate.

Some bosses test different roles.

But I'd say that's one of the harder bosses to heal. But then witches exist soooo lmaooo

[ionic fern]

Idk, my healer said the hardest one is Everbloom.

On 26+ tyrannicals.

Depends also on the healer class + group ofc.

So..🤷

[blazing condor]

My holy priest get one shot last boss brh (24) and apparently its our group comp’s fault

Cus we dont have a mage or aug

[ionic fern]

Has he tried using a defensive?

[blazing condor]

All of holy priest discord backed him up as well

Its either ”use everything on yourself” or die

And he GA’d someone so he didnt have it

[ionic fern]

Sounds like a "him" issue.

[blazing condor]

Yah

Like sure our comp is actually kinda scuffed but who gives a shit when we do 24s

[ionic fern]

What's the comp?

[blazing condor]

IF we play 5 man which we almost never do its pwarr, ww, holy priest, lock, dh

[ionic fern]

And where's the "scuffed" part?

WW/DH/Lock all should be able to survive np.

[blazing condor]

🤷‍♂️ idk man i feel like its a healer issue

But ppl probably not using defensives either properly

You dont need any form of ”meta comp” to do 24s lol

[ionic fern]

Ya, definitely not.

[eager phoenix]

is it the human phase where the struggle is, when he chucking glaive? or when he becomes demon, pre buff

[blazing condor]

Nah was just shadow volleys

In p2

[ionic fern]

Wwait, ALL of them?

I thought just the first one.

[blazing condor]

First volley he got one shot

[ionic fern]

Makes it even more hilarious.

[blazing condor]

Rest is like 90% hp then died

I’ll have to check the log

But then we died once and did it fine np the next pull so idk whats going on tbh

[eager phoenix]

i just tell team to send bl as soon he becomes demon. if we make it to buff its usually fine. but ive seen some weird shit on 24s. priest using his bubble but not standing in it himself or ppl running away from cleave when they get swarm Xd

[ionic fern]

Wait what

"Send BL when he becomes a demon"

Why.

That's the most wasted BL ever.

[jagged pier]

u lust first phase if anything

because thats the hard part

[ionic fern]

^ that, or after the first intermission.

[eager phoenix]

[blazing condor]

Yeah either wait after first guile or on pull

I pref on pull

Get fewer stacks and less shadow bolts one shotting

[pallid quiver]

i'm just saying if i'm on my shaman in there, I'm just lusting on CD because I have zero clue about brh

[jagged pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/832390254895300648.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[blazing condor]

In brh you p much lust on cd anyway

[pallid quiver]

i'mma press lust whenever it's off CD, debuff be damned

[jagged pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/832390254895300648.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[restive scroll]

It's out of GCD IIRC, you should be able to macro it somewhere !

No otherthinking lust anymore

[blazing condor]

Macro to mount button

Makes you mount faster

[pallid quiver]

macro to start chatting

that way you never just shit talk people on reaction out of fear of oops lust

[jagged pier]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/997087406626975744/chatting.gif

[teal swift]

Just disable party chat, whispers, say chat, yell chat, instance.chat

Just only have guild chat allowed

[soft trout]

Anyone got some tips for Volcoross HC?

When to use some defensive ability’s

[blazing condor]

when you get high stacks of the debuff

[echo egret]

Save your cooldowns for after you tanked the boss

That’s when you get high stacks of the debuff

[blazing condor]

if you taunt off when he casts cataclysmic jaws you shouldnt need any big defensives

[soft trout]

Oke its more the debuff that hurts me?

Was used to blood dk, so 1 DS and ik full health. Warrior is complete different 🤣

Ik - im

[tribal wharf]

i love that guys quote about just... being a warrior, and it fits so well with the afflicted affix this season

[blazing condor]

yeah debuff hurts more in my experience

but jaws can hurt as well depending on your ilvl/health

[blazing condor]

thats you tho

[uneven mason]

https://tenor.com/view/ultimate-warrior-gif-16011639123827700342

[rigid edge]

Just coming back to DF after SL, just a quick question how well does Prot War performs on M+ at the moment in your experience?

[pallid quiver]

Terrible, garbage, can't even tank +2s

[ionic fern]

Yes.

We're good.

[rigid edge]

Awesome, thanks, I keep hearing mixed things, I know we probably not top of the line but I don't care about that

[pallid quiver]

If you've heard anyone say we're bad, they have literally no fucking clue about how the game works.

All tanks are extremely capable and quite strong at the moment, and specific differences and preferences are more to specific comp needs than anything, really. The performance difference isn't large enough to really affect anything of note.

[ionic fern]

We're not "meta", but we're doing fine - will probably be harder to get into pugs at some point, but that's mostly because people don't know tanks.

[pallid quiver]

most people don't know dps, either

particularly the ones they play

[rigid edge]

Yeah, I lived through that on past expansions already, I guess people just want DHs and Guardian Druid per usual?

With Paladin being the off runner

[pallid quiver]

Guardian Druid is also considered in the dead, trash tier, into the ground

[rigid edge]

People trust raider.io and all that too much imho

[pallid quiver]

Because it was a top end tank last patch and then it got "killed"

[rigid edge]

Really? Surprising, I always felt Blizz favored it

[strong forum]

where have you been

bear was dead for most of SL, all of BFA and most of DF

[pallid quiver]

until it burned brightly for one season as part of the "god comp" as people called it

[rigid edge]

Interesting haha, feels bad for Guardian mains then

[pallid quiver]

General pug tank winners overall have been DH, Pala, DKs, probably

[strong forum]

theyre still not as unpopular as we are

funnily enough

[rigid edge]

Yeah that's what I mean, I know we had a shining moment during BfA, but I always felt they were a more popular pick?

At least among players

[pallid quiver]

people hate tank classs that don't have a dedicated healing button available more often than 25 seconds, i guess

[strong forum]

nah pwar, throughout the history of m+

is one of the 2 most popular meta tanks

we had 3 good seasons in bfa, "technically" 2 good seasons in SL, and half a season in DF

[pallid quiver]

before we got nerfed into the ground in DF, right? and we've never recovered since :L

[strong forum]

"nerfed into the ground"

[pallid quiver]

should i dig up some of the made up nerfs people have told me before?

i might still have chat logs to search

[strong forum]

we lost maybe like 5% block value

thats it

[pallid quiver]

but nome, this random guy in a +14 told me wars bad because IP only stacks up to 30% HP now!

[strong forum]

[rigid edge]

Sheesh

[pallid quiver]

My favorite part was the very minor nerfs we got in S1 DF, the reason given was literally that Prot War was too popular

[strong forum]

we're like 20% stronger, if not more, than we were in s1

but somehow we're dead and bad

[strong forum]

yes

[pallid quiver]

Well, to be fair, for most players, we are dead and bad, but that's because pressing shield block before you get hit is very hard.

[hazy bronze]

If prot is so good, why does nome only play arms?

[rigid edge]

Hopefully I can just get a team going for M+ and not deal with the stupidity that is Pugging with people that think flavor of the mouth streamer seekers know everything

[eager phoenix]

[strong forum]

cuz prot too easy

not fun anymore

its like playing an autoscroller

[rigid edge]

Time to go Mechagnome war, so they can really hate on me

[tribal wharf]

Not entirely sure what i or someone else did on this fight, but it made the healer angry some reason i assume

[strong forum]

the leaping and running around the room was pointless

just tank them were they are

and press buttons

no need to spread out this much

[rigid edge]

That was a lot of censorship

[tribal wharf]

that was the only thing said that whole key

[harsh trellis]

Yeah those mobs should never be off center point where they spawn

Cluster them up and blow them up

[blazing condor]

yeah you jump around like an idiot

if your plan is to get a charge in literally just run out

theyre perma casting

[strong forum]

nah his plan was to spread out for the 2nd witch

cuz of the circle debuffs

its a nice idea, but entirely unnecessary

[lusty grotto]

leaping around was so that the 3rd witch doesnt cast the healing/bleed debuff

but i think that got fixed a while ago

it did work though, before it was fixed

2nd witch you just jump in place anyway

[pallid quiver]

melee life privilege for all the keep moving mechs

i prefer to jitter like a crazy person because i get to press more buttons

[lusty grotto]

i just jump

its really bad on vdh cause

double jump lol

but on Chip and Chipadin its np

[uneven mason]

Once they fixed throw rock

[lusty grotto]

and pistol shots

[uneven mason]

TD was our Everest in s1

[lusty grotto]

but that was still an okay season since we blasted Zul in Uldir

just us and sub rogues in the meters pretty much

[uneven mason]

👢🍵👏

[strong forum]

yea

[uneven mason]

Tbh pwar was really good in s1 bfa just the most difficult to play well it's ever been

[lusty grotto]

ye

[uneven mason]

Between gaps in SB uptime and IP on GCD and rage economy

[lusty grotto]

was still fun

[uneven mason]

Yeah it was fun doing 60% of your keys damage

[lusty grotto]

and then reaping came around

well

[uneven mason]

Or shocking people in mythic prog by taking near zero damage

[lusty grotto]

ghuunies was fucking aids

[uneven mason]

And Zul in KR

[lusty grotto]

but aside from that

yeah ig

[warm plinth]

I have some regrets in wow but missing season 1 of m+ in bfa is not one of them

[lusty grotto]

and it shouldnt be lool

[blazing condor]

i had fun

mostly because i had just returned to the game after not playing since black rock foundry

i didnt know if my spec was deadge or not

just knew ppl picked bdk

[uneven mason]

Missing Antorus as prot

[blazing condor]

missed all of legion

lol

[uneven mason]

Should be considered a great loss

[warm plinth]

I was watching my old vods the other day and I really miss focusing iris lol

[uneven mason]

Antorus was SSJBlue kaioken x20

[warm plinth]

Such a cool essenc

Essence

[uneven mason]

Unlimited SS

Infinite 90% IP

Assured crit blocks

[opaque quest]

Legion started to be good when i rerolled because of shit legendary and got my bis legendary first on my new main. Before that legion was absolute dogshit

Rose tinted glasses much

[uneven mason]

Just talking about Antorus

[opaque quest]

Oh ye Antorus is goated

[uneven mason]

Early legion was rough

[warm plinth]

I was looking at one of Luerce's old logs the other day from antorus and was like I'm sending this to people when they bitch about how fast prot is now

[uneven mason]

Yeah that looks low

[blazing condor]

id kms if all i pressed was ip and ss

[uneven mason]

If you stacked the 4/2 combo you could get like 40cpm on ss

[warm plinth]

Thank fuck tier mixing doesn't exist in a legitimate sense anymore

Removing a slot was a great change

[uneven mason]

Hah yeah going back to farm tos titanforges

[warm plinth]

I miss titanforging. Unpopular opinion, I know.

[warm plinth]

That's valid

[opaque quest]

Youre allowed to be wrong

[uneven mason]

That lotto machine on Argus where you could get random trinkets, my GM got a 975 she was a MW main...

Meanwhile I was still using a normal drop from NH

Because fuck my luck

[restive scroll]

I'm curious, why do you miss it ?

[pallid quiver]

Because he loves pain, suffering, and agony.

[restive scroll]

Nah, pinky is reasonable

Maybe they are masochistic though, I don't know

[pallid quiver]

My eyes see all, man of z

[uneven mason]

Dopamine rushes and the licking of cacti

[mental scarab]

You got so frekking happy when it titanforged and so sooo sad when nothing happend

[winged slate]

Yeah but that's like 99% sad

[mental scarab]

Yeas

But

When happy

And the salt from M raiders

[lusty grotto]

i dont think its cool to have extreme RNG on shit

just to have a wow factor when it happens

case in point, my nickname

and it was fucking ridiculous with titanforged items

[restive scroll]

I'm like that when I have speed/leech on a loot, albeit less of it

We still have that kind of RNG for dps & avoidance for very high m+ and that's still a problem imo

So I can't agree with you, but I understand your pov !

[lusty grotto]

honestly

what they should do

is make tertiaries certain after a key level

or at least a very high chance

[restive scroll]

That'd be quite interesting indeed

[lusty grotto]

like 25+ or some bs

[restive scroll]

For levels at which you need those kinds of stuff, that'd make sense

[lusty grotto]

absolutely

of course i'd be worried about the rest of the M+ pop if that happens

[winged slate]

I still think that they should just introduce bad luck currency for keystones

[lusty grotto]

but im sure they can find a solution (COUGH currency in vault COUGH)

[winged slate]

I'm like 0/40 on rezan's, for instance

[dusky canopy]

Lego likes vers right ?

[lusty grotto]

stats were all updated for it

the dots stick faster due to haste etc

[echo egret]

Very often when I tryp the leap on Deios, I fail it (not jumping far enough and getting hit). Any magic trick I might have missed ?

[blazing condor]

in p1 you can pre-run the jump

cus he spawns an ad and then instantly does breath

so you can pre-run / get ready to jump when the ads starts comin

p2 you kinda just have to have space behind you and look at the timers so you know when he does it

[echo egret]

in P2 I don't even try to jump

Spell reflect feels more than enough

[blazing condor]

yea you dont have to jump all the time

[echo egret]

in P1, I agree on the 1st add but it feels there's a bit more time between add and breath after 1st

[lusty grotto]

theres little reason to jump it in p2

in fact you dont have to

but yeah you certainly have to start running as the bigwigs/DBM timer approaches 0

[uneven mason]

I do a little hop backwards before hitting leap at 1s

Looking forward to Sunday, council prog

Although, since I'm literally there to battle shout

Probably duck duty

[lusty tiger]

Wawa for lunch today???

[lusty tiger]

That sounds like a YES

I want minmax a sandwich most calories:least cost

[lusty grotto]

wawa is pretty goated

[uneven mason]

Closest one is only 5 hours away

[lusty tiger]

Nim do you by chance remember how to rip an existing windows license and put it onto another computer

[lusty tiger]

👎

[uneven mason]

Closest Panda Express is 2 hours away

[lusty tiger]

I don’t really go there

The local Chinese places are waaaay better

[uneven mason]

Yeah

[lusty grotto]

you can ghost it but

i dont do that since windows licences are just copied to your microsoft account anyway

also i hate panda express

[lusty tiger]

I can do it thru my ms account?

Do I just need a flashed thumb drive with the online public win10

It’s been like 5 years since I did a windows install

[lusty grotto]

i mean https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows11

also you NEED to have a microsoft account login to windows on your current pc

create installation media with a usb

[winged slate]

I'm about to road trip and Wawa is gonna be my savior

[lusty grotto]

and obviously once you install it (and use your microsoft account to activate it), your older pc will have its activation removed

[blazing condor]

legendary continues to elude me

[lusty tiger]

Yep yep all parts of the plan

And ye have a current activated one right now

[hollow sun]

Is it still the play to just send most CDs on cd? I kinda did this for the whole season so far, from Shadowlands

[restive scroll]

Yeup

Whatever's up, use it

[hollow sun]

Some things never change

[lusty tiger]

Surely these are good

[restive scroll]

Some things do, apparently we don't execute much anymore

Although I didn't play SL, so... :D

[hollow sun]

I want the banner back

It felt awesome to have perma 30% extra movement speed

[plush tendon]

I would like to see warriors just have banner utility in general

[wooden trail]

the 5% damage is referred to autoattack damage or is a whole 5%

[blazing condor]

dont you get a fyralath ember on normal fyrakk?

i aint get shit

or is it a weekly thing

where you only get 2 lesser and one bigger

[restive scroll]

Tell me about it

[grizzled nova]

5% attack power, so 5%ish on all warrior abilities

[strong forum]

straight up 5% dmg

[strong forum]

rng

[blazing condor]

cant even roll the bad luck protection

[winged slate]

If you already did a higher difficulty, the lower ones won't give it to you right?

So completing heroic effectively gives you the BLP for normal and RF

[blazing condor]

thtas what im wondering

[winged slate]

That was my understanding of the system

At least specific to Fyrakk kills

[silk kiln]

You get a greater ember on lfr/normal fyrak. But if you cleared heroic that ember “consumes” lower difficulties

[violet ginkgo]

Applying as dps warrior: Sorry we can't accept you, can't dispell (during affliction week)/can't lust/etc
Applying as tank warrior: insta accept.
Damn... living as warrior dps at M+ is quite painful.

[novel temple]

Dps is just painful

It’s a huge reason why I haven’t leveled the pure dps classes up

[winged slate]

Just run your own keys

[toxic gyro]

Must be a low key bc no one wants prot warrior in high keys

[violet ginkgo]

well it's +18

[toxic gyro]

There you go

[violet ginkgo]

I still can't/don't dare to do higher

[warm plinth]

I liked the fact that I wasn't just running keys to fill a chest, especially since back then it was just one item from the weekly chest, and the vast majority of loot you received was from the end of dungeon chests. That being said, the gambling vendors were a huge mistake and I think is a big reason why it left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. That and world content being able to titanforge.

[violet ginkgo]

high key too hard for prot war?

[warm plinth]

I also liked the idea they implemented later on where it could only forge to a certain point above the normal drops for that content. So e.g. you couldn't do normal raid and get mythic loot or do a +10 and get +15 loot.

[restive scroll]

I like that too

[warm plinth]

If I implemented it today, I would keep the latter change and I would make it only affect weapons and trinkets, since those are generally the things players lament not getting at higher levels.

[restive scroll]

And I understand, but that was a lot of very difficult content.
That weekly chest was mostly painful IMO
The vault is a nice improvement in that regard.

However I agree that running keys to just fill the vault is quite boring, as fairly quickly you don't need any more loot in dungeons

[violet ginkgo]

I mean fairly quickly is if you are lucky... if unlucky well...

[restive scroll]

I liked that suggestion

[warm plinth]

Yeah, the fact that crafting is so prevalent now also minimizes the need for a system like that. But until they give us actual good trinkets from crafting, you're still kinda sucking trinket wise

[restive scroll]

Yes, but I mean, the differences are not that wild

Other trinkets/weapons are still good

Even if not "bis"

I'm definitely one to minmax quite a bit, but I definitely prefer the system ATM than like it was in legion.
I farmed some stuff so much...

[warm plinth]

Yeah ofc but you can't say there aren't huge outliers

[winged slate]

No, not at all. But we lack utility that people pushing extremely high keys desire. Every slot is valuable

If you're not bringing something critical to your team comp, why are you there?

[restive scroll]

And many people think that war are bad because of meta, tier list, and stuff like that

Even if you bring something to the table

[winged slate]

It's less about whether or not prot warrior is capable, we're obviously capable

[restive scroll]

(such as spell reflect in WM)

[warm plinth]

Beacon, boon, suncaller are all examples of trinkets that are just hugely stronger than others

[toxic gyro]

No, but ppl in pugs are Meta slaves

[winged slate]

But if a prot pally brings everything you do, but also with externals, healing, dispels, and cc?

Why would they pick you lol

[restive scroll]

Fair enough.
Gotta admit that rageheart is pretty great

[restive scroll]

You're definitely right, but I think you're overthinking it for the 99% :p

[warm plinth]

Well tbf he's talking about the 1%, not the 99%

[winged slate]

The 99% will run 2-20s and pick whichever tank applies that has the highest ilev + io

[restive scroll]

True

Talking about the 99.9% then

Title eligible people should probably think more like Andy does

[toxic gyro]

I’ve seen ppl in lfg trying meta slave even 20s

[winged slate]

Comp still matters in 20s, just less so

Let me just say that my 3 warrior 1 dk 1 monk comp is pretty miserable

[warm plinth]

Especially when weeks like this come around

Or on fights like Deios where you really want a ranged person to guarantee an orb person

[toxic gyro]

If you need lust class in a 20 or aug you should play different game lol

[winged slate]

Purges? Dispels? CC? What are those?

It's not about need, why handicap yourself by not having lust?

[warped jolt]

@ionic fern is hot

[toxic gyro]

Bc generally you’re better getting better dps than getting lust class just lust

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I'm a very casual player and pug a lot and I still try to get a lust for every key.

[winged slate]

Lust and brez in every key is pretty paramount

[ionic fern]

Hello Strel, you are hot as well.

[toxic gyro]

They’re shit dps will be less efficient than full lust

[winged slate]

That's not even a "lul meta slave" thing

[warm plinth]

You got 3 dps spots and 20+ applicants. Why not get a lust

[winged slate]

That's just common sense

[warm plinth]

I'm sure one will have good score and ilevel

[winged slate]

Which kinda circles back around to the whole "Why doesn't my arms warrior get picked?" thing

[warm plinth]

And healer for that matter

[winged slate]

Cause your arms warrior doesn't have dispel. or lust. or brez. or anything I want to round out my comp

[toxic gyro]

Idk, I 3 chest 20s with my friends and their random toons

Whether we have lust or not

[winged slate]

Great, but if you had the choice of lust or not lust

Do you intentionally pick not lust?

[warm plinth]

So? That's not the point lol

[toxic gyro]

Not if the class applying suck

Or ppl playing it genuinely suck

[winged slate]

Liquid picks raid comps with lust in it, big shocker

You should probably pick lust for your group comp too

[warm plinth]

The point isn't that you can't do it. The point is that if you can pick a lust person, you likely will. You're acting like there won't be any applicants with lust that are good players which just isn't realistic.

Lust isn't synonymous with shit player

[winged slate]

Surely you can find an evoker, shaman, mage, or hunter who is good enough for your 20

The same way that you can find a DK, druid, paladin, or warlock

[toxic gyro]

Guess you’re one of those “20wcm - prot pally only”

[warm plinth]

What

You just made a huge leap from wanting a specific powerful utility spell to only wanting a specific spec.

[winged slate]

Reading comprehension at an all time low in this channel

[prime roost]

So... I just joined the conversation and it seems pretty heavy. Do I need to get some pop corn?

[winged slate]

Pick a side at random instead

[jagged pier]

[toxic gyro]

I didn’t specifically talked about lust

[warm plinth]

[toxic gyro]

I talked about meta slaving even for 20s

[lusty grotto]

no popcorn allowed until i get involved

[prime roost]

Ohh... meta classes, well, that happens every time, every season, yes

[winged slate]

Saying "I would like lust and brez in my group" isn't meta slaving

[warm plinth]

You're literally the first person who mentioned lust in this conversation sir

[toxic gyro]

We should just move on and talk about haste breakpoints

[winged slate]

Running around with DKs and Shamans... the most meta comp known to S3

[lusty grotto]

speaking of lust and brez

i have 2 of each

[warm plinth]

I was gonna be like s3 (insert xpac) maybe but shaman doesn't get to be meta

[lusty grotto]

for a 20 too

[warm plinth]

That's because you're a meta slave. Noob.

[lusty grotto]

😱

[winged slate]

Nim is a meta slave cause he's playing DH though

[warm plinth]

True!

Fotm reroller smh

[winged slate]

Disgusting.

[lusty grotto]

def not

[prime roost]

For real? I though DH and Disc priest were the meta classes... at least for tanks and healers

[lusty grotto]

i aint pushing im just doing a 20

[winged slate]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/facetious

[prime roost]

Ohh see, my mistake. Thanks tho!

[violet ginkgo]

speaking of 20, is the loot drop already myth level on that key?

[lusty grotto]

drops are never myth

unless raid

[warm plinth]

I did a key on my 450 vdh the other day and I'm very good at the spec. 25% of my overall damage was soul cleave.

[winged slate]

Myth is vault only for dungaroos

[violet ginkgo]

so max drop is heroic, and myth is only from vault?

I see

[warm plinth]

Yep. 470 is max dungeon drop

[winged slate]

Mythic raid drops myth stuff too

Obv

[blazing condor]

you can upgrade best dungeon gear to 483

but yeah its hero path

[vocal flame]

With this lust convo am I just dumb or is using drums the same thing? is a spec lust better?

[winged slate]

Drums is a lot weaker

[vocal flame]

really? wow I honestly did not know that

[winged slate]

Lust is 30%, drums are (15%?)

and since it's multiplicative, that's quite big

[vocal flame]

Interesting I never know that diff classes had different types of lust haha thats what I get for just having one toon

looks like drums gives haste and damage buff 15% each

[lusty grotto]

no such damage buff

[lusty grotto]

lust from shamans, hunters, evokers is just better

and mages

[winged slate]

Drums is poverty lust

[lusty grotto]

drums really got hit hard in SL

[winged slate]

Used to be 20%?

[lusty grotto]

cause they were only 5% lower in BFA

25%

[winged slate]

Wild

[lusty tiger]

I miss class buff scrolls

[winged slate]

I don't miss having 300 consumables for my raid

[lusty tiger]

I do

[winged slate]

My bags are crowded enough as is

[lusty grotto]

i mean they made that change so that you would need one of the lust classes if you wanted the better lust

but sadly

[lusty tiger]

I would give anything for arcane intellect in my mythic raid

[winged slate]

So recruit a mage

[lusty tiger]

…

[winged slate]

You said you'd give anything

[lusty tiger]

I’m just a healer soldier

[winged slate]

Sounds like you're just a liar

[lusty tiger]

Hahaha

Perhaps

[winged slate]

At least they made it 5% instead of 10

[lusty tiger]

I’d give anything to have it without recruiting anybody myself

[winged slate]

Okay you have to play mage

[lusty tiger]

So that my healer can be buffed

[winged slate]

Multibox

[lusty tiger]

What are u a fricken genie

[winged slate]

You got 2 arms and 2 legs

You can't tell me you're using them all while raiding

[lusty tiger]

I wish for 2 more wishes

[winged slate]

Denied

[lusty tiger]

):

I wish you to wish for me to have 2 more wishes

[winged slate]

Instructions unclear, you now have made Jasmine fall in love with you

[lusty tiger]

: D

[winged slate]

But you still don't have AI

[lusty tiger]

D :

[echo egret]

is there a definitive answer on what exactly opens the portals in the sand area of Rise ?

[blazing condor]

from me playing around it just seems to be "clear space around the portals"

[lusty tiger]

I thought it was the dragon

When he dies

[echo egret]

I've heard you need to kill the 4 mages, I've heard you need to physically go near the portals, it's different every time

[blazing condor]

i think ive gotten the portals up with one riftmage still up

but might be remembering that wrong

[tribal wharf]

should be different drums that give 40% worth of stat mastery for 40 second

[blazing condor]

you at least have to go near portals

[lusty tiger]

Oh the big portals nvm

[blazing condor]

cus ive killed all mages and not have it work

[echo egret]

I've heard you ened to do all portals, or only two

[blazing condor]

until we went back and went close

[tribal wharf]

maybe not crit versa ones too boring

crit lust would over perform, new metas

[lusty tiger]

Yogi get a dang profile picture

[tribal wharf]

alright

you got what you wanted

and its i have to do a 18, not time it, but just run it for myth 1 loot ? or 17?

[uneven mason]

18 yea

[dusky canopy]

Yogray360

[uneven mason]

Vault doesn't care about timing the keys thank goodness

[lusty tiger]

Ty yogi

[tribal wharf]

second choice

[uneven mason]

Original doom guy head always bis

[tribal wharf]

i've been killin nazis since i was 8 years old

[echo egret]

enlighten me : Fall, the corrosion orb from boss 3 - is it a real problem to survive carrying it for a DPS at 24 tyrannical ?

[uneven mason]

That being said, now that wow and doom are under the same umbrella, Doom guy Pepe when

It doesn't tickle

They better hit a cd

[tribal wharf]

play doom on UV or nightmare and u wont say doom tickles

i cant remember what it is, like, 60 or 80 dmg a baron of hell green fire ball can hit for

ITYTD is baby mode, dont play that

[uneven mason]

I was replying to stardawn

[echo egret]

But there are extended periods of time with that orb up

[tribal wharf]

witches boss the big wipe cast is if you fight one too long right

and it starts casting some huge aoe shit

im not precisely sure how that mechanic works, but i know wiping to it is horrific

[uneven mason]

The only time a DPS has to hold it for an extended period is 4-5s at the start of phase 2 iirc, otherwise they need a CD up for the initial hit to just reset timer during p3

[opaque quest]

Without context this is a wild post

[uneven mason]

I've been killing Nazi's since I was 4-5ish 🫷

[tribal wharf]

considering that was 1941 id be 98 years old probably

so id be fuckin dead lol

[uneven mason]

I mean some people live to over 100

[opaque quest]

Who knew the queen is a gamer dad named yogi

[restive scroll]

Pinky did a bit of searching, seems to be killing the mages that cast onto portals
And then going onto the portal to trigger chromie's event

[warm plinth]

Jeanne Calment lived to 122

[warm plinth]

No one knows me as that in here kek

[restive scroll]

The weird pseudonim person then

That change all the time

and is always helpfull

[warm plinth]

But yeah sand has to be cleared to both portals and the mages specifically channeling on those portals have to die. Other mages don't matter

[echo egret]

Roger that - I'll pay attention next time.

[jagged gust]

If I cast Last Stand back to back would the timer extend or would it just overwrite back to 15 seconds?

[warm plinth]

Not sure how you would br able to do that

[jagged pier]

It is 360, but no its garbage

[warm plinth]

He's what we call a moron

[vale bolt]

Deals less than Revenge! and doesn't proc other talents like Revenge! does

[jagged gust]

I have it written into my prepull m+ macro, doesn't the cd reset?

[vale bolt]

But yea I guess it's a 360 hit

[warm plinth]

Oh. It does but do you even keep the buff? Not everything that resets allows you to keep the buff.

[jagged pier]

U keep the buff yer

Thats why u prestacked rally and ls for giga suck shield in SLs

[warm plinth]

In any case I'm not sure if it extends or not but it's only a 5 sec difference either way.

[jagged pier]

Im almost certain it doesnt

But i havent precast LS since SLs

So cant tell yah for sure

[warm plinth]

Because you'd only have 5 sec left when key actually started

[jagged gust]

True, it's just a remnant of my S2 macros, just got curious on the way home lol

[warm plinth]

Gotcha. Yeah I mean it probably won't hurt regardless. I guess last season it would've been worth in some keys to get the SS procs early in the pull

[echo egret]

Ok I have that scenario that occurs every single time in Everbloom pugs EVEN WHEN WARNING THEM ABOUT IT :
I pull the first 3, jump to the pack with 2 casters and flowers. I get a few +dmg debuffs and the rest of the group doesn't properly kick the initial caster.
Either I die to his casts, or I try to go to him to kick it myself and I die from hits in the back.

[uneven mason]

Did we miss a whirlwinning question?
@dusky canopy

[dusky canopy]

[warm plinth]

Pull first 3, spell reflect, kick far caster and bring it back to the middle

[uneven mason]

This sounds like a job for disrupting shout

I don't go into EB without disrupting and shockwave

[warm plinth]

Disrupting shout is for cowards

Kek

[echo egret]

What do you trade for disrupting shout ?

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt matter

the naturalists will perma stun your dps

and they will learn real fast

[uneven mason]

TL, don't @ me Nim

[echo egret]

What really baffles me is that people in 23s 24s still don't know about these casters and the damage amplifier on the tank.

"Me wanna do big aoe, cba about lone caster"

[uneven mason]

Because until 23-24 you can literally just w through it as a tank

Like tanks are so strong we're immortal until you hit that downhill slope in the mid 20s on mit/sustain vs incoming

And it catches everyone else off guard

[echo egret]

And they also wonder why you can't hold threat on mobs all spread apart and they're going full out on the pull

[lusty grotto]

hell no

[lusty grotto]

ask for freedoms or TL

and/or save Avatar for it

the damage amp is really no problem

just use a snare removal

thats it

[echo egret]

Fair point, it's a snare, I never thought of this

[tribal wharf]

ya groups are getting more accomodated to keys

hardly any failure in the lower keys

[lusty grotto]

no, not really

[tribal wharf]

well, i found some groups struggled with mechanics and how to recover from dying in AD

not as bad now

[hardy snow]

so, the IP buf is for total IP we can have, or per single use of skill?

[lean flower]

And here I was reading it as we convert another 5% dmg to be absorbed by IP

and not total increasing haha

[lusty grotto]

yeah its weird

i suppose the cap is increased by 5%?

not very clear at all

[hardy snow]

it says absorb, so its not DR that IP gives

[lusty grotto]

those buffs are dogshit anyway

idk what they are thinking

[lean flower]

Trueee

[hardy snow]

well, we will have slightly more IP, not great, not bad

[lusty grotto]

yeah idk

[hardy snow]

I think this IP buff is for per use buff, to be in line with 5% increased stamina (which itself increase max amount of IP)

[lusty grotto]

its a bit okay, except we arent really hurting defensively

yeah would make sense with vanguard

blizzard just doesnt understand how utility is just valued a lot more