protection

[lusty grotto]

DoS was okay just way too fucking long

[median tulip]

DOS had the first platform

[uneven mason]

And you'd get people who hit the urn early for the gigga pull in the crane area

[median tulip]

If you could do the first platform on Fort the rest of the dungeon was free

[winged slate]

Yeah I like the theming of that dungeon but it's turbo long, and the last boss on tyrannical can suck my nuts

[median tulip]

DOS with an Augvoker would be hell

Last boss totems with only 2 real DPS

[winged slate]

Better hope your tank has good dam

[sick sentinel]

how do i not die as prot?

[winged slate]

Keep your health high

[uneven mason]

Press buttons

[winged slate]

Any more questions

[sick sentinel]

Why do I need to press ignore pain after shield block

[winged slate]

Cause it's fun

[violet flume]

just for fervid bite tbh

[sick sentinel]

why is everyone saying something like this

[violet flume]

jokes aside its less damage taken on top

[uneven mason]

Because it makes you do more damage

[winged slate]

That's like asking why do BM hunters spend focus on KC

What other button do you think prot is dumping rage into

[uneven mason]

Why do BM hunters macro their pets attacks to their kc

Because damage

[median tulip]

BM is the most intensely dull spec to play

[winged slate]

Sometimes 3 button specs are fun I respect it

[uneven mason]

Keep frenzy at 3, spam kc

If you can't KC, you probably just need more haste

[sick sentinel]

so let me explain a predicement i found myself in:

Tott, second floor just before 1st boss, where ravager hangs around and doggos and on both sides packs of adds.

Deal with everything till Ravager - hunter pulls pack on the left + dogs

I start taking heavy damage, all CD's out - how do I self heal to the point where i dont die

[lusty grotto]

you dont

[uneven mason]

Los everything outside, get dogs with a side pack, lock them down

[median tulip]

You probably don't, those Snapdragons are nasty

[lusty grotto]

you gotta dwarf

or cauterize

[winged slate]

If you get high stacks you need to wall before you start taking damage, or have it cauterized off

[lusty grotto]

and cycle defensives/kite

play stops etc

[winged slate]

If you're low and have high stacks, you're just kinda fucked

[lusty grotto]

whats the name of this hunter

[winged slate]

Bleeds be scary

[lusty grotto]

cause i had one very special idiot last night on a tott out of a round of very special idiot totts that went from 26 to 25 to 3x different 24s

[uneven mason]

Like you legit ravager, charge, Shockwave, sc, roar and leap out

[sick sentinel]

this feels bad, im so sorry you had to go trough this

[lusty grotto]

is their name Tessarius?

tesserarius

[sick sentinel]

Nooo, it was on a boost I was doing, some 2 hunters in party for mail stack

[median tulip]

My personal preferred method of dealing with the Snapdragons (or any mob with low HP but a nasty attack) is to have a Shaman throw their Earth Elemental in to soak the attacks. Works on Snapdragons, Spiders in BRH, the adds on the tree in AA.

[lusty grotto]

shit we have chat snips in my disc just because this piece of shit did some amazing shit

[winged slate]

For that to work you need to know people who play shaman willingly

[lusty grotto]

lol

[uneven mason]

I was about to follow that up

[sick sentinel]

we actually had a shaman healer

but never seen an elemental once

I was so frustrated that he was also doing 70k hps, that I went onto my BDK

[winged slate]

I mean, makes sense, earth ele makes people lose their minds more often than not

[median tulip]

I'll grant you they are rare these days.

Poor fuckers; an entire expansion about the elements and Shamen got absolutely fuck all love in it.

[ashen coral]

Is there a weak aura which can tell who let line hit spirit for fyrak ? I know there is an equivalent for smolderon with who didn’t soak or didn’t take orb

[winged slate]

The real sad souls are ELEMENTAL shamans

What do they bring to your group/raid

[lusty grotto]

no

[sick sentinel]

Enh does more elemental damage than elemental shaman

[winged slate]

Fuckin nothing

[sick sentinel]

hearad this myth somewhere

[lusty grotto]

shadowplay and watch the replay

[winged slate]

Bring back that elemental 5% haste buff or whatever

:\

[lusty grotto]

ele does good dmg

[winged slate]

I'm sure Lava Burst does fine dps

[lusty grotto]

ehn does great but most of their players are mongoloids for some reason

[uneven mason]

Yeah like enhance isn't doing too bad and if you have the right classes to stack in the WF group they can add like 40,000dps on top of what they're personally doing

[sick sentinel]

I have leveled enh to 70 and i do not undersatnd that many buttons

[median tulip]

It does solid enough damage but the utility can be questionable. Until Afflicted week when suddenly everyone loves Shammies

[sick sentinel]

its legit galaxy brain in my opinion

[uneven mason]

It's a priority system

[winged slate]

It just comes down to "Why bring an ele when I can bring" <list of specs that provide more things>

[uneven mason]

Yup

[lusty grotto]

pretty much

[uneven mason]

Kinda the same issue were facing

[median tulip]

I stopped playing my Shaman when they released the DF talent trees for it and Chain Harvest wasn't on them. Fuck Primordial Wave.

[winged slate]

Primordial wave actually feels real good to press atm

[median tulip]

Until Afflicted week

[uneven mason]

It's not baf

[winged slate]

Yeah then you bring an aug xd

[uneven mason]

Doesn't poison totem just negate afflicted

[winged slate]

Poison cleansing totem is neat until you have 6 dispels in your group

[median tulip]

PCT is kinda silly easy mode

[winged slate]

That's just not good enough incentive for me

Unless you're running like 4 warriors who can't do shit

[uneven mason]

Ele isn't bad damage in m+, they're just squishy AF

[winged slate]

I miss when AG was good in season 1

[dusky canopy]

The previous enhance in my guild had 80% uptime avg for windfury

[winged slate]

Windfury took too many GCDs, can't blame the guy

One GCD per 2 minutes is a lot to ask yknow

[dusky canopy]

[crystal iris]

does battle scarred veteran suck?

[uneven mason]

Majorly

[crystal iris]

why? seems useful for newer players or people pushing?

[uneven mason]

It doesn't do what the tooltip makes you think it does

[crystal iris]

what does it does

[uneven mason]

It triggers from raw damage

[jagged pier]

Also cheat deaths are bad for new players as they dont learn what is bad

As they dont notice the talent will pop

[uneven mason]

So it can go off, when you're at 90% health

[jagged pier]

Or trinket

[crystal iris]

ya no ive heard the whole cheat deaths are bad speach haha

every time I come here

[jagged pier]

It goes of pre mit damage in short

[crystal iris]

oh thats dumb

[jagged pier]

Yes

[uneven mason]

Yup, I mean if we were a vdh or bdk who eat 60% of our health in 1 hit, it might make sense, but we mitigate shit by like 85-90%

So a raw hit that does 150% of our health barely tickles, but bsv triggers

[crystal iris]

even in keys?

Im just coming back from not playing since SL

[winged slate]

Between armor, block, and ignore pain, we mitigate a huge percentage of incoming damage

[crystal iris]

i tried to make prot work so badly in SL but I always sucked at it as a fury main

[uneven mason]

It's bad everywhere because it basically goes off on CD and you're not likely to ever actually get use out of it

[crystal iris]

thats good to know then

[jagged pier]

I mean prot was harder in SL than it is now

U can just brain afk and not die

[crystal iris]

hows damage?

[uneven mason]

Monitoring sb uptime down to the second

I do not miss that gameplay

[crystal iris]

I seem to remember Jakey running the seismic reverb leggo in like 26 keys haha

[uneven mason]

If charge weaving

[jagged pier]

Damage is fine

Not top not bottom

[uneven mason]

Our tier set is actually engaging!

More, than like the last 2 anyway

[crystal iris]

so happy to hear that i love off tanking

[winged slate]

It feels good to feel sturdy, too

[crystal iris]

ya SL i either felt like a somewhat sturdy tank or a fkn wet napkin trying to jump in and out and all over

or like intervene to a melee and get swiped in the back as i run through the pack

[uneven mason]

If you're intervening a melee you shouldn't move

[crystal iris]

idk sometimes it would be like a rogue that was behind the mobs

i would get random one shot

[uneven mason]

That's just a skill problem 😕

[crystal iris]

i also wasnt good haha

[uneven mason]

Peak intervene was Warbringer in legion

Ae non dr stun

[crystal iris]

I could push to like +23s on my fury and tank 20s on my pally but warrior I blocked at like 15-18 range. did a 20 or 2 but it was stressful

why do you charge into a pack and not shield charge in?

[uneven mason]

Because you want to stack demo shout for booming voice

Big slap

[crystal iris]

ahhh

i was just remembering how annoying it was that its on the GCD when I saw the wowhead page complaining about it

[uneven mason]

Yeah

I'd rather have demo on the gcd than avatar

[crystal iris]

They could just merge it with thunderous roar

[uneven mason]

That's the tradeoff

[crystal iris]

like it wouldnt be so bad if it was on the GCD but had a direct dmg component

[uneven mason]

Nah demo is a defensive CD at it's base

[crystal iris]

well ok booming voice adds the dmg component then?

[uneven mason]

20%

[crystal iris]

i mean if it deals AOE damage like roar

it wouldnt feel so bad to press

[uneven mason]

It basically doubles up on avatars boost

[crystal iris]

then again I dont particularly think roar is fun to press as fury or prot

[uneven mason]

I'll keep the 20%, and roar can be it's own thing still

[uneven mason]

Read our set bonuses

Roar is giggle fits

[crystal iris]

oh so you roar and try to mash some IP to trigger it?

ok that might make it more fun than fury then. for DPS bladestorm >>> roar

[uneven mason]

Usually triggers first try

But yeah our current cycle is pretty much using rage on IP to force set bonus between reapplying rend with tc and consuming bleeds with SS

[crystal iris]

pretty cool

i usually hate how bleeds work with warrior, but this actually seems like its engaging

i hated how deep wounds worked. it was like oh warrior needs more damage, lets just have them deal some extra secret bleed dam

[lusty grotto]

huh

bladestorm?

weirdge

[uneven mason]

I wasn't gonna say

[crystal iris]

well for fury at least, roar was so un-fun compared to bladestorm

[uneven mason]

But yeah bs is arms

Fury has ravager

[crystal iris]

not the same

not as fun haha

also we dont run it anymore

[lusty grotto]

also its non-existent

in DF

[uneven mason]

And ATM bladestrom (like all of arms buttons) tickles

[median tulip]

I loathe bladestorm

[crystal iris]

SL double bladestorming a huge AOE pack was so fkn fun

[lusty grotto]

arms doesnt even run bladestorm in keys

[median tulip]

Arms should have Ravager. Makes far more thematic sense.

[crystal iris]

yup, give arms ravager and fury bladestorm 🙂

[lusty grotto]

...

[uneven mason]

Or like, a burst ae that actually bursts

[lusty grotto]

bladestorm has always been an Arms stable

since WotLK

[grim pilot]

Bladestorm for arms

Defo

[median tulip]

Also Sweeping Strikes should not be on the GCD

[grim pilot]

Its basically as iconic as ms

[uneven mason]

Arms was always more of a blademaster

[lusty grotto]

that one i agree with

[uneven mason]

Yeah what the turd is this

[crystal iris]

ya haha

[lusty grotto]

but remember the on-gcd garbo was to eliminate 1 shot macros

[crystal iris]

that actually feels worse than Demo haha

[uneven mason]

Because I'm one shitting people with the feather duster that is 2target cleave from ss

[lusty grotto]

hmm

idk about that

either way

[uneven mason]

Arms has some nice burst in PvP, it just sucks they're hobbling the spec in PvE still, in an age where they can tune abilities to work differently between the two content types

[lusty grotto]

roar not feeling fun or odyn's fury is because you very clearly havent played this season

[grim pilot]

They are tu

Tuning them differently

Somewhat

[lusty grotto]

shit slaps

[grim pilot]

Like crit is nerfed in pvp iirc

And few other shit

[uneven mason]

OF feels almost as good to press as it did in Antorus

[crystal iris]

Odyns Fury feels super fun

i just find roar a bit underwhelming

[lusty grotto]

id rather have control of my character

[harsh trellis]

This week is a meh, week.

[uneven mason]

Ngl I ran double bladestrom on tswift prog

Because it negates roots for me (and does a bit of damage)

[lusty grotto]

its ok if your dps doesnt get them down fast

but honestly it isnt needed

[uneven mason]

We were having a rough time with bursting them down

[tribal wharf]

wtf is this 3% aura buff

tanks or prot warrior get 3% global dps buff?

[uneven mason]

It's like spears on mythic igira took some time before people started realizing that we need to have burst for them

[cinder pasture]

I got a Parrot

[uneven mason]

Are servers up?

Or eu

[lusty grotto]

probably EU

[uneven mason]

I wanted my weekly dose of disappointment

Where I can open my vault to not get a mythic 2h again

[cinder pasture]

Yea, Eu 100%

[tribal wharf]

i have the islands parrot so i already won at parrots

[dusky canopy]

Boy oh boy are you going to hate me ikari

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xxNhAjhqZaUzq9F2BZUhUx

Check weapons

Yo btw I need a cool warrior troll mog and I have zero creativity

[uneven mason]

Trolls don't have cool xmogs

[toxic pewter]

That’s false

[opaque quest]

Troll sham in antorus mythic

Troll DK in CM set

Any voti set for any class

Troll Warr in Zul Aman set

[toxic pewter]

servers up NA

[warm plinth]

Do you have the blood hunter set from the trading post?

[dusky canopy]

Yes I believe I picked that one up

Maybe I’ll just sport that one and call it a day

Haha

[opaque quest]

Run the Zandalari one

Fuck i dont have it mogged. Ill get a link

[tribal wharf]

lots of bfa stuff that will work

[opaque quest]

You can buy the full set in shattrah. Use it with Zinrokh

There is also a blue version from island explos

[restive scroll]

Taking set is boring

[uneven mason]

It's so low res that Atari is suing them for copying the 2600 textures

[restive scroll]

Although i love that chicken head

[opaque quest]

Is the island version higher res?

[opaque quest]

Kekw someone wants to be a paladin

[restive scroll]

Well, dress are pretty nice, no need for pants/boots :D

[opaque quest]

Dresses are for women tho

[restive scroll]

So?

I have 3 mog, 3 dresses

And technically, this char is a female troll, if that really bothers you :')

[uneven mason]

We can tell, no hiding those TMNT toes

[restive scroll]

I knoooow

[uneven mason]

Legit my biggest problem with troll models, boots on warriors are awesome

And tauren troll and draeni can't wear them

[opaque quest]

There are some boots that cover troll toes but they look weird. They just hover in the air over them

DK Aberrus for example

[restive scroll]

Yeah, that's kind of an issue

[still solar]

anyone running servant splitter from waycrest, guild is getting damage check on heroic fyrakk so i'm looking for a bit of extra damage

[strong forum]

It's the 2nd best pure ST dmg weapon

[still solar]

nice, wasn't positive but figured i did low enough content the loss of stats wouldn't matter to much

[tardy juniper]

hi guys can i just get a little bit of advice please?

I main Fury warrior but do some mythic + tanking...around 20 but pushing higher.

I pretty much just swap out my weapons for prot and go by raidbots in terms of dps

THis is my stat breakdown....is this reasonable?

I have lots of spare gear, is it worth swapping out some dps for haste?

[strong forum]

Yes you want as much haste as you can get without dropping ilvl to not run into danger of having SB downtime

Around 6-7k is when stuff is the most comfortable

And at 7k is when you just wanna hard avoid getting more haste

[tardy juniper]

I have actually found myself without a lot of abilities and rotation seems slow at times....

So siming for dps on raidbots as prot is not correct?

[bleak breach]

Haste should sim highly for dps anyway

You want 6-7k haste as nom said

[warm plinth]

It is correct.

If you're having a lot of times with nothing to press, you're more than likely pressing Ignore Pain too much.

[opaque quest]

Oh no you changed your name. How will people know that stats dont matter now

People will ask if crit or vers is better all the time

Oh wait they never stopped anyways

[warm plinth]

👀

[still solar]

I thought we were supposed to just run speed and outrun the damage

[tribal wharf]

@warm plinth i was considering to post my "logs" (videos) of that sega game to someone who actually understand the game really well lol

i have only moderate grasp on that games full mechanics

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-no-gif-22572036

[warm plinth]

[still solar]

dude where'd you get that clip of my tanking last night

[tardy juniper]

ok thanks for that...i guess i am burning up too much rage with overlapping shield blocks and too many revenges...

Will look to boosting haste....

Currently -
Crit - 3866
Haste - 4,389
Mast - 3562
Vers - 4232

[opaque quest]

Whenever someone gets oiled up. I know. Trust me

[still solar]

almost worked with those black rook spiders too, priest feathered me and i felt so invincible and fast and forgot to pop anything and just exploded

[warm plinth]

You're not burning up rage with revenge. You shouldn't even have a lot of opportunities to press revenge, much less burn rage with it

[opaque quest]

Even last season with only 5k haste i barely had time for revenge with all the SS resets

[still solar]

that's something i mess up a lot, i spam ss/revenge and forget thunder clap exists

[vocal flame]

Ocean any good? It sims way better than the rageheart but I also have a mythic tier ring I can take as well

[warm plinth]

what sim type are you running that might sims way better than rageheart?

[opaque quest]

Its a crit trinket with str on use ofc it sims good in dps. I'd rather use rezans and rage

[still solar]

i mean, the fact it's lfr probably hurts rageheart a lot

[vocal flame]

the standard sims that are in the pins or was suggested to run in here

[warm plinth]

There aren't any sims in the pins though

[vocal flame]

This is not right?

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's what I expected haha

Of course an on-use stat trinket will sim super high in a 1.5 min aoe fight

[opaque quest]

Was about to say

Sim 5 mins

And check again

[warm plinth]

It's not an incorrect sim but you can't just sim that and be done with it

[vocal flame]

ah ok

is 5mins the standard?

[opaque quest]

Burst 1:30 sims on use will ALWAYS sim higher

[warm plinth]

I run 3 min sims tbh. I don't see the point in burst simming. ST 3 min w/ lust and 5T 3 min w/o lust

[vocal flame]

ok which fight style is single target?

[warm plinth]

Patchwerk w/ 1 target instead of 5

[vocal flame]

ahh ok

[tardy juniper]

I am using revenge all the time....main part of rotation?

[warm plinth]

Yes and no. It's third on your priority list, but the first two on the list are up so often that it's pressed relatively little in comparison.

Third on your priority list aside from CDs*

[tardy juniper]

I usually shield slam, thunder and revenge and cycle those 3...

Keeping shield wall up and poping the other cooldowns as they come up...

Finding it really hard to survive this week on +22 keys though

bosses easy but trash packs are ripping me apart

[warm plinth]

Log your runs and post here or DM me

[tardy juniper]

ok will do...thank you bud

[echo egret]

Getting hit in the back ?

[tardy juniper]

maybe....when runnning around trying to grab aggro

[exotic cave]

Is there a haste cap we should be worried about? at what point do we see diminishing returns for haste as prot

[covert cliff]

i tend not to use Revenge much this season your set triggers off rage spent IP is better use of the rage and gets more procs

but if you capped on IP and i use it

should be only like 2-3 % of your damage single target

[winged slate]

Yeah I am rarely pressing revenge currently

I'll pretty much only press it during a free proc if I have nothing else to hit

[warm plinth]

The 2nd DR

#protection message

[exotic cave]

You’re my hero thank you

[onyx gale]

Hi! Should I take Gholak or the crab?

[teal swift]

Gholak

[strong forum]

If that's heroic gholak you get that

And enjoy your turbo bis weapon

[teal swift]

Even if it's normal tbh

It still is bis

[strong forum]

Correct

[onyx gale]

THANKS!

sophic best enchant?

for +

[blazing condor]

You can also go kill fyrakk

Before u loot

Not that crab is that good

But thatd be 2 upgrades

[strong forum]

Wafting is bis

For raid and m+ alike

[vestal moat]

If my only upgrades are leech on an identical item that I have or a socket that i cant use, what should i take? The only possible thing I would socket is if i get a 489 well statted ring in the future from vault or raid since i already have 2 crafted rings with sockets.

[strong forum]

Then it's the leech piece if you don't have a use for the Socket

[prisma meteor]

new to prot tank.... doing hero tonight.... can i spell block tindral seeds?

[opaque quest]

Check the pins

[opaque quest]

Spark for off specc gear possibly

[lusty grotto]

fuck sake

lets go dogshit vault

i guess i needed the neck

[chilly brook]

I took a socky

then again

I'm also like 488 equipped

[lusty grotto]

i guess ill go pug just to either not have gholak/rageheart drop or fucking roll the lowest for them

[hardy snow]

I would go leech, its rare to get it and socket you can get in future anyway easily.

[flat badge]

mythic tier (shoulders/hands) or socket ....

[lusty grotto]

why would you even ask that

ilvl > all

more str, more armor, more overall stats

over a... socket

[flat badge]

must have simmed wrong then. said socket was bettter

[lusty grotto]

did you max the shoulder/gloves?

[flat badge]

yea

[lusty grotto]

link sim

[flat badge]

dm'd

[lusty grotto]

run 3 mins

and remove buffs

lust and battleshout, unless those buffs are always present

both of those will be for ST

for keys 5 patchwerks 1 min and 1.5 mins no lust, remove buffs that arent always present

[flat badge]

5 patchwerk?

[lusty grotto]

also these are within margin of error

and the defensiveness gained from mythic tier is not simmable

[flat badge]

fair

ok ty

[lusty grotto]

ST: 3 mins and 5 mins patchworks + lust + bshout and any buffs that are always present (remove those that arent)
M+: 1 min and 1.5 mins 5x patchwerks + bshout + no lust (remove buffs that arent always present)

compare results between 3 and 5 mins ST, and compare results between 1 min and 1.5 mins M+ sim

usually my go-to is 1.5 mins for M+ and 3 mins for ST

but sometimes i run the others just to check

[flat badge]

alright cool, was def simming wrong for M+

[violet ginkgo]

at least this week I got the brand trinket, not aug but not bad.

[lusty grotto]

nice

gz

[violet ginkgo]

the belt is interesting though already got leech but I need signet so bad

[lusty grotto]

nah signet is better

harder to get

and one of our BIS outside of augury/rageheart

[violet ginkgo]

yeah already claim that signet

it is good for my fury too

[opaque quest]

I feel that

Raid trinkets being mandatory again made me uninstall this season and prolly the next too

[timber nest]

anyone know the timers between shrooms on mythic tindral?

[prime kernel]

got spores aswell xd hate this bait, wish the haste was on proc and not on-use

[teal swift]

60 days is ideal

[red geode]

Random question, can you reflect fyralath's bite?

The tank buster in p1

[warm plinth]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS26lkSc_eaulHX7-UY8Uu-7DAHvkScxh3npd0kQn3uvvWsgsQm9ducLUi4R2mb7ieNluVilyq5sQe5/pubhtml

[red geode]

ty

[mint swallow]

Is there a haste rating cap? i.e. a point where the penalty makes it not worth anymore?

[warm plinth]

#protection message

2nd DR

[mint swallow]

Thanks!

[still solar]

I just stepped into prot chat today and saw that haste dr link be relevant 3 times already lol, that's top tier

[warm plinth]

[woeful smelt]

how good is the nightmare eggshell i currently have a normal ursine vengence and tainted heart

[opaque quest]

Egg is pretty meh but you can still sim it. Just dont expect any miracles

[woeful smelt]

sounds good

[warm plinth]

It takes 20 seconds to ramp up and it has less than 1 proc per minute. The only reason it's not the literal garbage of the season is because the Everbloom trinket exists.

[pallid quiver]

Ghash, I wanted to chuck one of my old like, Legion logs at you because of your name

but they're archived and you need to subscribe or something based on the link it threw at me

life pain

[warm plinth]

What's your character name? I have a sub lol

[pallid quiver]

uhhhhh, should be same char name, Nuever, but on Firetree iirc

I have zero idea what logs of me exist there, since I don't recall if I was uploading my own logs then or not

[warm plinth]

Any particular thing?

[pallid quiver]

I was just gonna pull one at random

Since Legion was forever ago and I don't even remember all of what I was supposed to be doing

I only ran raid like 2-3 times, even, I think

and by raid i mean Antorus

I did not play most of Legion because I didn't like that xpac

i just thought it would have been a good bit to throw a like 6 year old log or however old at you

[warm plinth]

Doesn't look like it's pulling any logs for you anyway. I assume because of the realm change possibly

[pallid quiver]

smh that's what I get for following someone to a dead ass server instead of staying on area 52 the entire time

[warm plinth]

Top tier fury log in Theater though

[pallid quiver]

pfffft

did i even have a weapon for that

[sudden tangle]

I'm thinking of running lariat and a single shadow flame embellishment. Although I already have a 489 neck with avoidance. What would you suggest? I'm doing 24/25 dungeons very comfortably atm.

https://raider.io/characters/eu/sylvanas/Battering

[warm plinth]

Not sure, it's not actually a log; just a leaderboard listing

[sudden tangle]

Lariat would put me at vers cap or very close

[warm plinth]

Vers cap is not a thing

[sudden tangle]

Could I please have an answer for this

[pallid quiver]

Ah, it'd probably be percentage of keys done, then, anyhow

[warm plinth]

You can sim it, but you have a 489 neck already so I doubt Lariat is going to be better.

[opaque quest]

We suggest you sim yourself

If you run 25s you should know that

[pallid quiver]

I mean, double shadowflame is the best overall, but embels aren't massive impacts on your performance, anyway, and Lariat's effect needs a lot of gem slots

As most will say, you can see the specific difference via sims to see if it's worth even fussing over for you

[warm plinth]

You also only have 5 gems, which doesn't even put lariat to its pre-nerf power

[sudden tangle]

What do you mean

[warm plinth]

Lariat was a 12 second buff before. You would only get a 10 second buff

Because you only have 5 gems

The buff lasts 5 seconds + 1 second per elemental gem

[sudden tangle]

I'm asking for more experienced players opinions, not for go sim yourself responses. Sims don't tell you your survivability

Ah thank you

I didn't know that

[warm plinth]

No offense, but you're stacking vers, so I am not sure you'd be too open-minded about what we had to say survivability-wise regardless.

[pallid quiver]

well

you wouldn't really gain or lose any survival that's at all notable

You go up one key level and it's drastically gonna outpace any amount of minor stat adjustment

[sudden tangle]

What's with this hostility

[pallid quiver]

Especially since the most impactful defensive stat is strength overall, so

[warm plinth]

I wasn't being hostile.

[sudden tangle]

I thought this was a place we could ask questions

You said I wouldn't be too open minded

That's a dig

Perhaps you could ask why

[warm plinth]

It's not a dig. You already got defensive when I said vers cap is not a thing.

[sudden tangle]

I'm completely open to being wrong which I know I probably am

Well there is an addon that tells me about soft and hard caps on my stats in game

So I thought id get the most value out of all stats

Besides mastery

[warm plinth]

Is it the one that has like a bar representing true stat/lost stat?

this one

[sudden tangle]

I just don't think it's helpful to tell someone they wouldn't be too open minded based on a choice they've made especially when they are asking for help. Just makes me not want to ask anything here

Yeah that's it

Is it accurate

What would you suggest, in happy to change enchants and gems, just need some guidance

[warm plinth]

It's accurate, but the loss is not always relevant. On vers, it absolutely is because vers is already extremely expensive compared to any other stat (it requires the most rating per % by a long shot) so I wouldn't even go past the first DR, if I got close to it. But for haste, as an example, we don't care about the DR until the 2nd one (the 20% one shown in this image)

[sudden tangle]

Okay that's really helpful

[pallid quiver]

The biggest thing to note is that the defensive benefits of pretty much all the secondary stats are relatively minor differences in terms of how much they give. Basically, having stats at all is the most important part. It's why directing people to sims is so common here is because it'll optimize the offensive part for you, and the defense just naturally comes regardless of other stat choices from there.

[warm plinth]

I do apologize if I came across as rude. It was not my intent.

[pallid quiver]

If you don't want to sim too much, the best thing to loosely aim for is that haste cap, and then make sure you have some of the other three secondaries

[sudden tangle]

The buff that gives me haste based on players around me up to 10%, does that add rating and therefore contribute toward these caps, or is it purely a stack on top of existing

[lavish sphinx]

Anyone using ElvUI, has it not caught up to 10.2.5?

[teal swift]

Survivability is automatic with literally any set of secondaries or itemization you can imagine

[pallid quiver]

Flat percent, so it gets stronger the more haste you have

[sudden tangle]

It has, updated mine this morning

[pallid quiver]

Since it ignores any DR points or anything else

[teal swift]

If you wanna cope go copy people blindly off rio.

[lavish sphinx]

Mine is missing everything but unit frames it seems

[teal swift]

But your don't need experienced players to tell you how to itemize.

Raidbots will do that.

[warm plinth]

Yeah ItF is great because it's just super strong and gets better with gear

[lavish sphinx]

Action bars and such are base Blizzard ui

[warm plinth]

Our Wild Strikes talent also does not count toward rating

[sudden tangle]

I do sim quite a bit

[teal swift]

If you're interested in doing harder content and performing better bring a log.

Because you don't need defensive itemization

[warm plinth]

With regard to the survivability thing I mentioned earlier though @sudden tangle you can gain comparable survival in keys to vers % for % with crit, and you can get more for less stat budget.

[sudden tangle]

I'll look into that too thank you

[teal swift]

By the time you get to a key level where you need to itemize for defense, no one else in your group can survive. That's the current design of the game

[green trench]

Which WA/Addon is this?

[teal swift]

Like +37 keys

[warm plinth]

I'm not sure pav; mckriel could probably answer that. I stole that screenshot from someone.

[sudden tangle]

Crap I'm not at my PC right now

[sudden tangle]

Thanks dude, this is helpful

[warm plinth]

@forest yacht what's your stat addon thing called

[teal swift]

Maybe we'll get to future content where tanks need to consider defensive. Just not this xpac 😦 @sudden tangle

Glgl

[green trench]

Damn 😄 Looked interesting so wanted to check it out.

[sudden tangle]

So would you suggest I drop some of the verse for crit?

Parry and damage is nice

[teal swift]

I recommend following Sims best you can

All stats are nice for defense 🙂

[warm plinth]

I don't think you need to actively mess with them at this point. If you're passing that 10% DR point with vers then I would 100% swap gems/enchants where relevant.

[forest yacht]

true stat values

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/true-stat-values

[lavish sphinx]

This is my display atm - ElvUI unit frame seems to be the only thing that's updated

[warm plinth]

There you go @green trench

[green trench]

Thanks! I will check this out!

[teal swift]

What a breath of fresh air.... Most people are like "crit is bad because parry isn't consistent"

And I'm like 🔪 💪 🩸

[forest yacht]

@sudden tangle brother you have shell as myth with avoidance

thats like

a dream

dont replace it with a poopoo lariat

[teal swift]

Avoidance is blrch

Speed is the good stat

[lavish sphinx]

Found out it's because I play on mac

[warm plinth]

rip

[sudden tangle]

That's exactly what I was thinking flash. Got it first week in vault and thought to myself I don't think I'll replace it this season

One more possibly silly question so please forgive me

I have a 483 shield with haste vers, and a 489 shield with mastery crit. My logic, which may be greatly flawed, is that the 489 is better overall for stats and survivability so I should be using that shield instead. Especially considering I have a healthy balance of the other three stats

[sudden tangle]

I think I'll swap out for crit enchants and gems and see how it goes and report back

[warm plinth]

ilevel is the only thing that matters on shields

It could have 0 secondaries and you'd still want the 489

[forest yacht]

shield ilvl is bigly defensive value

[sudden tangle]

Okay thanks guys, I really appreciate your help so much

And sorry if I came off weird too

[teal swift]

Glglgl

[warm plinth]

Also, mastery is not like, complete ass either.

[forest yacht]

i was about to take a shield over myth rageheart in vault out of excitement until i saw it was heroic

[warm plinth]

It's good to have somewhere between 20-25%

[teal swift]

Mastery is also attack power

Which is more dam

[forest yacht]

crit block is also fun

[teal swift]

Good to have all stats with a leaning of haste

[opaque quest]

God that underhanded roast was brutal

[warm plinth]

I WASN'T TRYING TO ROAST

😭

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-day-are-you-ready-for-some-football-gif-16278812894835706568

[sudden tangle]

I told you! lol

Got me rocking in the fetal position when I read that

[violet ginkgo]

eh but I thought the primary stat > secondary? I need more education on this.

[still solar]

@warm plinth getting back into prot after taking a season off, would you mind looking at my first decent key back to see if i'm doing something dramatically wrong

[fair beacon]

Question: so I am using the "tainted rageheart" and "gift of ursine vengeance" for general, and the "prophetic stonescales" for emergencies. which should I take from the vault: a 6 ilvl increase bis cloak, or the ultra rare yet no ilvl increase augury?

[opaque quest]

Isnt augury bis dps wise?

Augury is our bis. Take the trinket

[jagged pier]

i dont know what lvl keys u are doing

but u probably dont need rageheart

or scles

u also should have crafted a cloak

[opaque quest]

Looking into my magic mirror i bet his cloak is 483 from HC and his vault cloak is 489 from M+

So prolly 17s at the lowest?

[still solar]

would have to be 18's for myth from vault wouldn't it?

[opaque quest]

No idea. Havent touched this season

Just keeping up on relevant stuff

[harsh laurel]

y 18

[still solar]

fair enough, this season was a bully, made me jump from only doing 15's to having to 18 to 20 for vault

[opaque quest]

Eh idc about that. I went 3k early last season but the burnout is real

It got coupled with my only wow buddy i played with whenever i played wow fucking me in the ass and ditching me after taking some money from me but thats another story

[still solar]

yeah, that sounds rough tbh

[restive scroll]

I actually have the same question, I don't know why it's better.

[violet ginkgo]

After getting ursine from raid finder I'd say ursine is bad, the stack is 1 every 3 secs and you need 30 stacks so the effect trigger, so that is 1 min 30 secs D:

[fair beacon]

all the pieces I noted are 489. so ilvl wise the same. now just wanna see how much is the augury trinket truly worth?

[violet ginkgo]

The ursine's requirement stay same even on higher level, 1 stack every 3 secs

the damage and heals might go up but the effect stacking is taking too long

[fair beacon]

true dat

[teal swift]

Scales is fine at every level, it's not like you need the extra like 5k DPS lol. While technically sub optimal, if you're worrying about your trinkets I'd hope you're playing optimally because you see prot warriors at 50k DPS and at 200k DPS.

Trinket ain't gonna bridge 150k DPS lmao, love the safety comfort trinkets lul

[opaque quest]

Do you know what raidbots is?

[fair beacon]

no 😄

[opaque quest]

Dunno. Do 18s even do enough dmg to procc scales?^^

[fair beacon]

26s do 😄

[teal swift]

If you're doing 50k DPS do you even have enough rage to use active mitigation

[opaque quest]

Do you need mitigation in 18?

[teal swift]

Go try it out you'll flat line pretty quick

Wait it's an 18, maybe your healer will try to be a hero

And carry you

[restive scroll]

Maybe half of them

[obsidian raft]

guys what do you think is it worth to lose haste and leech to gain 6 item level?

[teal swift]

Ilvl is king

Also check the stats it catalyzes into

[blazing condor]

our helm have the worst stats on our tier

but still

strength > secondaries

489 is gonna be better than 483

[echo egret]

I just failed a WM 24 on goliath. I didn't want to reset stacks, it reached 89 stacks and I was taking 700K hits in the end.
I don't think I failed using my CDs or shield block, what went wrong ?

[jagged pier]

u didnt reset

thats what went wrong

89 stacks your dps wasnt good enough to not clear stacks

[echo egret]

OK, that's not something I can plan ahead though

I thought we could most often afford to not clear

(pug)

[restive scroll]

Not really, really depends on your dps

pay attention at the start of the dungeon to estimate whether that's doable or not

I usually reset once, maybe twice after 26s

[echo egret]

Taht's for the goliath fight.

[restive scroll]

bit low indeed, also depends on your cheese luck

if all spikes were on the mage, that helps a lot

[blazing condor]

its tougher to not reset on tyrannical

[sick sentinel]

Kick healer for name starting with x

[eager phoenix]

I mean you dont need to plan ahead. BL pull and see how dps is looking. If it is going to slow just send a reset when appropriate

[patent meteor]

anyone knows why, does shield block sometimes not extend, from lets

1. there is 7 seconds on shield block press it again = 15 sec
2. there is 7 seconds on shield block press it again = 8 secs

[grim pilot]

mostly just

kind of know how much your dps can do

it's not the first thing you do in a dungeon

if you see they're gigablasting packs and 1st boss fine

if not reset once at 30 and then you're chilling

remember that it's better to play it safe than to be overconfident and wipe on say 5% costing you like 3-4 mins + bl effectively

[pallid quiver]

You'd need to show a log or something of that happening, because that's not how it should work at all;

The cap on shield block is 3x duration, so 18 seconds without enduring defenses, 24 seconds with it. If you have Bolster, the block time given by bolster ignores this cap.

[wintry nymph]

gonna craft a shield this week so i can offspec prot

see how high i can push myself

after not playing prot from like last season shadowlands

unless heroic drops it for me

[lusty grotto]

good morning

[grand veldt]

23 rise pug

feels good

JK feels unbelievable to find a fire mage doing s2 dps

[lusty grotto]

mages are 50/50 once again this season

as in 50% of them suck big nuts even if high io

and 50% of them are actually decent

i hate having to pick a pug mage for that reason

same with augs

[teal swift]

Isn't 86k DPS as a tank in a 23 criminally low

[ashen coral]

Hello I have a question about rageheart

I have a 483 rageheart with +300 leech and a 489 rageheart without leech, I don’t know which one is better

[lusty grotto]

man

fuck you

[ashen coral]

Lmao

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/ronswanson-parksandrec-computertoss-gif-7654029

[teal swift]

Leech is bait

Go for ilvl

[pallid quiver]

Tertiaries aren't worth any loss in secondaries/other stats at all, so

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/sadgecry-sadge-cry-gif-18423674

[teal swift]

If it was speed, it'd be a consideration

[ashen coral]

Even for trinkets ?

[teal swift]

Yeah, mainstat op

Effect op

[pallid quiver]

If it's the same trinket, yes, since it buffs the reason you use the trinket

[teal swift]

Secondary op

[lusty grotto]

fact is heroic rageheart will absorb more and do more damage

the leech isnt really something you need to consider cause you wont get that damage (or absorb) elsewhere

[ashen coral]

Yeah you’re right, better rageheart shield would be better defensively anyway and damage are better

[pallid quiver]

Ilvl differences are generally only "ignored" for different trinkets because their effects aren't balanced.

Like how a lower ilvl signet is better than, uh, someone give me a trash tier damage trinket

[teal swift]

That and gholak lul

[restive scroll]

if it's not the overall, might be normal. With all the downtime due to jumps and stuff

I guess

[teal swift]

That's overall

[teal swift]

Gholak is just a trinket on a stick tho

[ashen coral]

Ok ok thank you for your answers I’ll keep my myth trinket then

[tired crystal]

Why do i see so many people running Ironshell pendant on prot, when it sims 1k worse

[teal swift]

It's what they got

And it might not be simming 1k worse for them

Trust the robot, not what you see your peers doing

[tired crystal]

Hmm top all start raid and mythic prot warrs running ironshell, pikawar also etc

But okay cool

will keep nymues then

[teal swift]

Yep, trust the robot

Also make sure you're simming it with all 3 sockets

Sometimes you can fuck up your sim and sim 0 socket vs 3 socket

[tired crystal]

yeah, making sure to do so

[blazing condor]

holy

[teal swift]

Fucking excitebike

[blazing condor]

watch me lose

[teal swift]

Yep, then trust in the robot.

Also make sure it's max upgraded and not 470 vs 483/489

[tired crystal]

Ah damn, i thought I put 483 -.-

Good spot

[blazing condor]

it begins

[pallid quiver]

Report them if they get their friends to start whispering you and harassing you for it

It won't do anything to them

[lusty grotto]

congrats!

[pallid quiver]

but it'll feel better and make me feel better

[lusty grotto]

maybe i should run normal fyraak yea?

[blazing condor]

im sorry for you nim i really did hope

[lusty grotto]

lol

i did it with brew last night

nothing dropped

at all

2 chests and curios and idk what was the other garbage

[flat stratus]

got bad boy on vault . feels good can't even win when it drops on fyrakk dps off spec tanked just to snipe that trinket

[lusty grotto]

grats

yeah rdruids/boomies and hpals going for it

also to trade their friends

[flat stratus]

yea i heard it's good for rdruids and hpals

[flat stratus]

yes ! xD

[lusty grotto]

ill probably do normal today idk

even a normal rageheart would be good

i just havent bothered with normal fyraak since week 1

maybe i should have

[blazing condor]

its a sadge feeling

cus if you get a normal rageheart its like yay

but i want the hc one

[flat stratus]

i got leg and i dont even know if it worth to play dps warrior . warri doesnt do much compared to other spec . even to push io ,dps war can't get in unless u q as tank , that's when u have a chance to push

[rich wyvern]

At least it drops on the track above the difficulty you’re playing, so even a NM rageheart is hero track

Would be way worse if you could only get myth rageheart by getting CE

[blazing condor]

yeah

[nova rover]

wow jelly

[jagged pier]

i got what i needed a socket

[blazing condor]

also got a socket

first one

[jagged pier]

last one for me

auguary left

deadge

[blazing condor]

gl

[jagged pier]

yer im not getting it

[blazing condor]

i know signet brand sims better but feels like augury is just more consistant dps, at least in m+

but might be stuped

[jagged pier]

no its more consistent in general

[nova rover]

is the Fyrakk Axe normal better than the one from Mansion at mythic level?

[jagged pier]

u need big proc at the start of the fight for signet to be good

[blazing condor]

yeah i feel like id rather have augury + rageheart

than brand + rageheart

but idk

[pallid quiver]

You can sim to check, but iirc nothing is better than Gholak starting at normal, so the only upgrades are Heroic or Mythic Gholaks

[rich wyvern]

Sim it

[flat stratus]

what's the dif on dps % ?

[blazing condor]

did a quick droptimizer and augury was like 0.4% increase and rageheart 0.1%

compared to what i have now which is rezan + brand

[flat stratus]

yea not a wow increase

thing with rageheart is that u get a aditional defensive

[blazing condor]

yeah id rather do rageheart

[uneven mason]

that big absorb

basically a tank trinket that provides actual defense

it's unheard of

Phenominal

[blazing condor]

and also deals damage

[uneven mason]

It's almost like they finally noticed that tanks don't use defensive trinkets unless they provide actual value

We've got Ursine and Rageheart, both pretty banging

[violet ginkgo]

Speaking of this I got lucky and roll gholak normal which is a good replacement for my current normal weapon but... educate me on sophic vs wafting.

[wooden radish]

hey @ionic fern i just opened my vault on my EU pwar and got this. is this a trinket angle? vers is bis right?

[violet ginkgo]

that trinket... I am not sure if it is good, ppl said it is good pvp trinket

but not sure about pve since you can't really silence enemy? but CMIIW.
That gholak looks really nice though

[ionic fern]

It's a weapon angle.

[ionic fern]

It's considered a "stat stick" with an effect cause of str+vers.

[wooden radish]

Weapon is code for trinket?

[ionic fern]

No.

[lusty grotto]

hi lincoln

[wooden radish]

what up

[lusty grotto]

havent seen you around for a while

[wooden radish]

Pwar is on break

And mwahi got a new cat

[lusty grotto]

who is mwahis new cat

[wooden radish]

@thorn spruce

[lusty grotto]

😱

[wooden radish]

[lusty grotto]

[ionic fern]

He is??

[wooden radish]

Yes

[blazing condor]

fyrakk loot consisted of no legendaries, 2 gholaks and 2 cloth boots

the plate group was not happy

[dusky canopy]

Mwahi’s got a cat in here!?!?

[jagged pier]

wish mwahi would come back with his mohawk

[dusky canopy]

Mwahawk

[blazing condor]

all hail mwahawk

back when orange mwahi

[ionic fern]

Does he know?

[ionic fern]

Now i can be lazy tho.

[lusty grotto]

lincoln was mwahi's cat in the past

😄

[blazing condor]

gotta write icy veins though

[ionic fern]

0 changes

to warrior

Since forever.

[blazing condor]

[ionic fern]

Perfect class.

[lusty grotto]

[dusky canopy]

Orange mwahi would fix that surely

[blazing condor]

now we got orange nom

[lusty grotto]

here we go again

[dusky canopy]

Orange nom owns though gotta admit

[blazing condor]

https://tenor.com/view/2omb-pray-prayge-gif-24836268

[lusty grotto]

time to carry some normal bros

with seed maybe

[blazing condor]

he killed me on volcoross i will never forgive him

[violet ginkgo]

nim carry pog

[dusky canopy]

Nim nom

[wooden radish]

he does now

[blazing condor]

nim u misspelled fyrakks name in ur name

[lusty grotto]

truee

[blazing condor]

no wonder u dont get loot

no one with that name to loot

[lusty grotto]

[dusky canopy]

My accounts bugged

It still doesn’t have Lego

Lua error every time fyrakk dies

Coincidentally

[blazing condor]

its a conspiracy

been doing fyrakk on both normal and hc since week 2

still no leggo

nor trinkets

[dusky canopy]

Week1 of patch here haven’t missed one

[blazing condor]

only did normal week 1

[dusky canopy]

Axe was lootable week 3 iirc right?

[violet ginkgo]

not bugged, it's your fate.

[dusky canopy]

[lusty grotto]

😮

Gholak and rageheart

[blazing condor]

buy it

[lusty grotto]

its DH tank

as havok

😢

[blazing condor]

happened to me too

[lusty grotto]

well at least i got this

[blazing condor]

pog

change name

[cinder pasture]

Yaay, socket time \o/

[lusty grotto]

done

[pallid quiver]

goalposts moved

[pallid quiver]

Well, it's time

you just gotta

take care of 'em

[blazing condor]

"Grats!"

[warm plinth]

"full bis" sus

[lusty grotto]

he has heroic augury

and heroic signet so

id say hes pretty close to full bis

[warm plinth]

Aren't there like 14 other gear pieces

[violet ginkgo]

just to make sure we can't enchant our shield right

[lusty grotto]

im not sad about it, its well deserved

[warm plinth]

Nope

[lusty grotto]

guy pulled his weight

[warm plinth]

At least it went to someone who deserved this time

[lusty grotto]

at least i got a gholak

[warm plinth]

Not some scrub

[lusty grotto]

yea

[flint cliff]

But half a Million for an Item? Season is done any way

[lusty grotto]

gold is fake

[jagged pier]

ppl care that much

[uneven mason]

PUG Ret #2038 "Rolls 100 on Rageheart"

[lusty grotto]

and i have enough

[jagged pier]

and yer gold is easy

[pallid quiver]

i'd have sold it for 500k, ngl

[ionic fern]

Same.

I got no gold.

[jagged pier]

same.

[restive scroll]

wouldn't

[violet ginkgo]

teach me how to gold

[uneven mason]

Buy myself an epic edition upgrade with 500k

[hazy bronze]

Is gold that fake when it's pegged to USD?

[lusty grotto]

this gonna be feel bad but its for the best

[jagged pier]

swipe your card buddeh

[lusty grotto]

and stewart'ed

[blazing condor]

yeah ilvl downgrade is feelsbadman

but at least you gain on it

[lusty grotto]

ya

[blazing condor]

trust

next vault

for sure

[lusty grotto]

[tribal wharf]

how come gholak just like dont have haste as well?

like wtf, should be but is not

[toxic pewter]

better question is why it look so bad

[lusty grotto]

it does look terrible

[toxic pewter]

looks like some crappy axe a trash mob dropped

[lusty grotto]

but i insta mog it to stewart

[violet ginkgo]

waooo so all this time you just slapping boss with fish? that is hillarious

[blazing condor]

so what alternatives are there to keeping brand up out of combat?

worn doll?

any else

[toxic pewter]

find and attack random critter

[jagged pier]

u just pull

[blazing condor]

thx jakes

[jagged pier]

arent u unsubbed?

why u asking?

[blazing condor]

im back in business baby

[jagged pier]

brother

[blazing condor]

i hate myself too much to stop playing

[jagged pier]

u had your out

[blazing condor]

eh

my true out will be when i actually have other things to do

i was just mega bored instead

[dusky canopy]

“tag mobs for the tank”

[tribal wharf]

a caco demon that has seen far far too much, pain elemental i guess as it were

and is very tired

angry cacodemon in teen years probably highschool football days

that bottom one remove tentcales dangling and its totally caco
its like if a caco and a pig demon had demon spawn

[opaque quest]

Lock getting more pets meanwhile DK is still stuck with the same 3 since WOTLK

[uneven mason]

I mean.... the twisting nether is infinite, lots of variations in demons.

Ghouls you got like what, 4 or 5 towns worth of equally ugly fuckers with buck teeth

[lusty tiger]

XD

Lore accurate

[median tulip]

I always wanted Troll DKs to get the various undead troll models as Ghoul options

[blazing condor]

rip to all my mounts who will forever be rotting in the collection now that dragonflying is everywhere

[strong forum]

Dw

With 11.0 all mounts can dragonride

[blazing condor]

thats good

but also in like a year

[toxic pewter]

its the pre patch so prob like june or some crap?

[undone beacon]

Hey all, I'm playing prot as a tank alt for funsies, and I don't want to make shadowflame patch gear since all my characters wear that. What are some fun prot embellishments for m+?

[lusty grotto]

shadowflame patch

[undone beacon]

Not looking to be super optimized obv, just playing for fun

[jagged pier]

that is the fun one for prot

[lusty grotto]

for funsies

[toxic pewter]

not sure you can put the words fun and embellishment in the same sentence this entire xpac tbh

[undone beacon]

Aw dont tell me that

I was looking at the Infurious helm that has the dot, is that not decent?

[jagged pier]

nope

[uneven mason]

No

[toxic pewter]

make two shadowflame bucklers and dual weild shields

[median tulip]

Lariat is ok. I use one; it's behind on single target, but pulls ahead on 5+

[undone beacon]

Damn.

[uneven mason]

It s ucks until max sockets so...

[median tulip]

I simmed it, the numbers were ok with the 6 sockets I have

[jagged pier]

i mean u have to be careful when it gives u the buff in sims

[median tulip]

Literally 1% either way, depending on target numbers

[jagged pier]

could give it to u at the best time

when u playing normally it wont do that

🤷

[median tulip]

I've done more than one sim

None of the embellishments are that critical

[odd flint]

does weapon rune does prot run for dmg and survivability?

[jagged pier]

u sim

u dont run one for suvivability

because it will make no difference

[undone beacon]

fuck it dream helm and sporecloak

[odd flint]

how do you sim runes on raidbot?

[warm plinth]

Kek

Run a sim with one, run a sim with the other, compare

There's an advanced sim thing that's probably in here somewhere but idk it off the top of my head

[toxic pewter]

way i do it if i have 7100 haste i will use buzzing rune, if i need some more haste to reach 7100 ill use howling

[median tulip]

I use Crit Runes

[toxic pewter]

yeah i use crit also since my gear giving me the haste i want

[median tulip]

Doesn't really matter. Any stats are good. I have a couple of hundred of each rune sat in the bank; should see me through to the end of the season

I bought a massive stack of consumables about 4 weeks before the end of Season 2 when everything was dirt cheap because the game was dead

[opaque quest]

Are you saying the british are undead

[jagged pier]

we are

[blazing condor]

thats what no sunlight does to you

soon you start putting beans on toast

[odd flint]

what does 7100 haste do

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/horror-disgust-ohno-jimcarrey-liarliar-gif-12183274

[median tulip]

Nothing of any import. It's the second DR threshold is all. Pushing Haste beyond that point is rarely worth it because of the 20% reduction in effect. But it shouldn't be considered a target in any meaningful sense.

There are no magic numbers of particular stats that will suddenly make you an amazing tank, nor compensate for bad play.

[uneven mason]

90% vers

[winged slate]

Why stop at such a low number tbh

200% versatility would make me a passable tank

[uneven mason]

Let's get those corruptions rolling

[median tulip]

If I was going to pick a number to aim for it would be 5400 Haste. That's more-or-less where you can swap from HR to ITF.

But it's almost impossible not to have that with even semi-decent gear this season

[violet ginkgo]

so before 5400 it's HR but after that ITF?

[median tulip]

Roughly. It's all about Shield Block uptime.

[dusky canopy]

For some it might HR always if you can’t maintain shield block properly

Depends on you and your situation

[dusk rain]

What trinkets do you guys use for M+?

for prot warrior

ok, any recommendations or a top 3?

[hardy snow]

I use both from Fyrakk

[lusty grotto]

#268491842637660160

[hardy snow]

cause I never get brand

[toxic gyro]

Cheat death/rageheart
Rageheart/augury

Augury/signet if you go for full dps and dungeon allows you to keep up stacks

[dusk rain]

ive seen alot of high m+ pushers use leaf

is that bait?

[toxic gyro]

It’s good too

Let’s you external someone

[dusk rain]

yeah seems like you would use it on your self though

[lusty grotto]

no

you use rageheart for thta

they certainly dont use it for themselves

[dusk rain]

don't have rageheart

when i wathced the vod

they did

prot is having a hard time surviving

you can see it in the log as well

[toxic gyro]

On trash you could use it on yourself

On bosses you use it on whoever needs external