get fucked Nom
#protection
uneven mason
Pokemon is a game, thanks.
teal swift
Pokemon is a game, thanks.
And a manga, and an anime
There are a bunch of anime games out there
uneven mason
Ret looks floor spec
uneven mason
Tfw should've brought an aug
☝️
teal swift
You should despise the ret more
grim pilot
he was trinket trader
uneven mason
uneven mason
Aug + Prot is like a date with Idris Elba
grim pilot
I was immortal
I flopped only once on 1st pull
because I had 15 mobs on me
and 200% damage taken debuff
for whole duration
I flopped at the very end
prob could survive it but
teal swift
Could've pulled bigger with an aug
grim pilot
I didnt expect to have it that long
everything was pulled
well I didnt pull everything
I pulled only last pack
teal swift
All at once? Impressive
grim pilot
kinda
wdym impressive it's a 20
if it wasnt for bursting
I would do that in every key
whole area + boss
uneven mason
Dwarves be like "Whats Bursting"
uneven mason
Floor spec
Also, been playing my hunter alt a bit
TIL that if you try and feign the hateful charge
he just does it instantly
and clobbers your ass
uneven mason
I'm all like "Yeah feign casts, I'ma be clever" WHOMP
grim pilot
not every time but like once at least
uneven mason
You can meld it
grim pilot
on my disc pri
uneven mason
had 2s on cast and feign instantly triggered it
Maybe gotta do it whne he's mid charge
somthing to try next time
I had 3 target me in a row
turtled the second
and then the 3rd I disengaged behind a boomkin
because the tank was licking windows or something and not soaking any
Dungeons are so much harder as DPS
dusk rain
how do you sim prot warrior
grim pilot
Same way you sim fury warrior
forest sinew
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bnGtVTm76BNX3yLq can someone give advice for keys please? definitely new so i know im doing idiotic stuff. im still very much in the stage of learning what buttons to hit versus paying attention to mechanics and worrying about using defensives im just tryin to start learning
pallid quiver
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bnGtVTm76BNX3yLq can someone give advice fo...
I just started looking, but you're still a tad shy on haste to be running ITF in M+, so I'd swap the HR just to be safe. I'm looking through the rest of the log, so keep eyes out for anything else I find
hoooo boy
So you gained 11178 rage
And of it, you wasted 5168
You wasted almost half of all rage you ever generated
You should be aiming to waste, uh,
literally zero rage
Since you've got 4p, most of your rage should be sent on spamming IP a lot, since you don't have spare globals to spend on as many Revenges as usual due to the thunder clap resets
It was better in the DHT key, since you generated 12054 and only wasted 4867, but
that's still 48, almost 49 entire rage bars that just didn't go used
Due to the wasted rage, you're getting tons less ability to use Shield Wall from Anger Management cooldown reduction, less healing from Indom, and just pain overall as a result
It looks like baseline you've got an idea of what the rotation is supposed to go like, SS > TC > Revenge, but you've got like 2.4 CPM on IP. You should slam it to avoid overcapping and wasting rage, which will skyrocket the number of times you press that button.
You're also oversending a little bit on TC during Outbursts instead of sending it on Shield Slam, but that's less of an issue than just pressing more buttons
forest sinew
appreciate you taking the time in giving feedback. just reading through it all 🙂
pallid quiver
Your CPM in both of those keys is about 45, when you should be hitting like, 70-ish
forest sinew
yeah i catch myself with outburst with SS on cd so i just send it on tc even if its a small mob count but i understand
pallid quiver
more, technically, but 70 is a good starting goal
pallid quiver
yeah i catch myself with outburst with SS on cd so i just send it on tc even if ...
It's worth it if you have the rage and no dire need for aoe for threat or anything to fish for resets for a few GCDs by pressing revenge, but it's not worth having an empty global for
You're still sending most on Shield Slam, which is a good start, but the CPM really needs to go up
lime trail
Which bonus won the poll? No pin means my brain is rotting from the inside out
chilly brook
S3 for prot
lime trail
Damn, I quite liked S2's
lusty grotto
pallid quiver
S2 set is neat, it competing with spell block is not so neat. I still prefer S3, tho, because it's a lot funnier.
Though I wish there was less TC use with it
lusty grotto
i guess i can change my nickname now
i wonder if i should go back to the haste thing
anyway we're all glad s3 won 😄
lusty tiger
Nimchip (no haste)
lusty grotto
fathom idol
whats a good number for the prot dps?
pure fog
whats a good number for the prot dps?
AoE or ST
fathom idol
both? M+ and raid. I often feel like i am not doing enough
fathom idol
AoE or ST
both? M+ and raid. I often feel like i am not doing enough
Also is the tank avatar talent worth taking? sometimes i feel squishy without it. like when i am doing H fyrak. not sure if that is just mental or not
pallid quiver
Like, Avatar?
The button Avatar?
If so, that's a hard lock in for literally every warrior spec
Or do you mean the sub talent for Avatar that makes it give you shield wall?
Because if you mean that one, you shouldn't be grabbing that at all since there's
A. Zero need for it
B. Potentially less defensiveness from less rage to cycle than the increased amount of TC use
fathom idol
The button Avatar?
the sub talent
pallid quiver
H Fyrakk also should not be hurting you much at all; you can solo tank it entirely, though P1 might get a little hurty near the end with stacks
fathom idol
H Fyrakk also should not be hurting you much at all; you can solo tank it entire...
do you happen to know if there is anything u can spell block from that fight?
pallid quiver
the tank buster, both the P1/2 one and the P3 dot, too
you can even deflect the tank buster in P1/2 with spell reflect
so you really shouldn't be taking that much damage at all in that fight
since nothing else other than the buster and its follow up cleave effect should do any damage to you
fathom idol
the tank buster, both the P1/2 one and the P3 dot, too
i apperciate the information
thin silo
you can even deflect the tank buster in P1/2 with spell reflect
thats just the cleave/frotal portion, not the actual painful part isn't it?
(Fyr'alath's Flame vs. Fyr'alath's Bite/Mark)
lusty grotto
Gross, arms s1 won
I guess I'm not playing arms in fated season
Such garbage pick
pallid quiver
(Fyr'alath's Flame vs. Fyr'alath's Bite/Mark)
you deflect the initial application, then have SR active to reduce the damage of the extra swings after
and honestly, in heroic, if you're taunt swapping, you can just live the residual swings by pressing your buttons
it's slightly sketch, but
He really doesn't hit that hard
wary hinge
So you gained 11178 rage
Can I ask an incredibly daft question - Where are you reading this from the logs ? Would love to go check my own 🙂
wary hinge
Much appreciated sir.
pallid quiver
If you check a specific actor, you can check what abilities are generated the wasted rage, as well,
So you can tell if you're pressing Shield Slam at rage cap and what-not
If you're looking at all actors, it just gives you the quick summary of generated rage and wasted rage
wary hinge
Thanks man. Appreciated.
wintry nymph
Im probably gonna be playing prot next tier. Is the tierset we're getting any good / nice to play with?
haven't played prot with this tierset
ionic fern
Which one won?
S3?
If S3, then yes, it's solid.
If S1, then no, it's garbage and people should feel bad for voting for it.
jagged pier
those 3000 people should feel bad
wintry nymph
most ppl probalby voted cuz in their minds, prot was op in s1
so they think it will be again when they get that tier back
not thinking of tuning that will be done
jagged pier
number one we werent even the best tank in season 1
and number 2 the tier set had nothing to do with us being strong
wintry nymph
i agree, but they might be thinking that way
hardy snow
I wish s1 win for tmog 
But good thing it didnt win for our tier bonus
wintry nymph
otherwise i have no clue why they were voting s1
tmog and bonus are seperated pretty sure
wintry nymph
since we are getting this tmog, which is s2
jagged pier
ppl also voted for ti because its 'easy' to play with
teal swift
S3 is a bit hard to minmax
But kinda doesn't matter if you do, you'll lose like 4% damage if you fuck it up, and far more if you're bad anyways
pallid quiver
I mostly heard people voting S1 because Prot War best S1 therefore we need S1 tier to be good again, tbh
Which, even if we ignore how stupid that is, is even more stupid when it's brought up that they were going to tune the tier sets anyway after the vote
so
hardy snow
I mostly heard people voting S1 because Prot War best S1 therefore we need S1 ti...
yea, lots of people think that way, thats one of the reason why such voting is bad idea
pallid quiver
even if it was the reason prot war was "the strongest tank", it
it wouldn't even necessarily still be the case
jagged pier
i mean thats wrong in the first place because we were anyway
pallid quiver
yea, lots of people think that way, thats one of the reason why such voting is b...
Honestly, votes would be fine if it weren't for the fact your average WoW player's biggest achievement is logging on to the game on a daily basis.
feral moon
yo new to prot warrior, does spell block work on tindral shrooms?
jagged pier
yes
mortal dagger
1day cringers will fix reflect bug 
waxen frigate
5am reset day keys go crazy
waxen frigate
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/832390254895300648.gif?size=96&quality=lossles...
(he died on the first pull and left)
blazing condor
jagged pier
blazing condor
Wheres late anyway
jagged pier
strong forum
Quit wow
blazing condor
echo grail
Any key done on Sunday Monday or Tues morning will be like the fucking twilight zone
Imagine if you will a person with the power of a god. Able to heal someone of all wounds and diseases, and even purify a large group of people at a time. Yet they chose to not use this power, and instead watch the masses suffer and die. Today, on the twilight zone: The Priest who didn't dispell
blazing condor
easy to imagine that
every priest rn going "but mass dispel got so nerfed and it takes 2 business days to cast"
echo grail
Idk man I just started playing a priest alt and I think it's one of the best things ever
Hey I'm garaunteed a spot because I can do this one thing every 2 mins or so, this is awesome
But back to port
So how about that s3 tier winning
pallid quiver
It's the only choice that doesn't restrict our talents and provides some change up to the base gameplay just on basic levels
lusty grotto
stupid arms s1 win
strong forum
numbers aside it also provides the most useful things
and yeah arms s1 win is a feelsbad moment
echo grail
Surprised arms s3 didn't win
echo grail
Just put your burger and fries into a blender
lusty grotto
true
violet ginkgo
that is 500IQ move karawaka
lusty grotto
i would except its a clear liquid diet
chicken broth is aids
unless its homemade one
that one is goated
lusty grotto
yeah man
toxic pewter
s3 is more fun
lusty grotto
honestly its all SL execute nerfs fault
fucking all the specs over, execute would be more fun if it wasnt for it
blazing condor
we are to blame for not seeking employment at blizzard and making changes we wanna see
toxic pewter
oof
blazing condor
lusty grotto
gross
blazing condor
i wont be arms gaming until i get leggo anyway
which i wont get at this rate
so
toxic pewter
ware my lego
blazing condor
i got gholak 
lusty grotto
blazing condor
both times it dropped only 2 ppl rolled it
lusty grotto
any
blazing condor
i also got the chest piece from weekly cache
guess that makes it 2
also a curio here and there
i got nothing to complain about
im balling
blazing condor
extra long maintenece cus off patch
lusty grotto
yea
luckily ffxiv also had a patch
and its up so i have some stuff to do during idle time at work (like now)
violet ginkgo
that'll be the capstone for today when i open vault at 5pm
inc another disappointment of the week
lusty grotto
i always have a little bit of hope
hardy snow
better arms s1 over s3 then prot s1 over s3
lusty grotto
yeah thats fair
echo grail
I wonder what furry thinks
lusty grotto
i wonder too
blazing condor
they think in terms of rawr damage
lusty grotto
i feel like bloodbath gameplay is too simple
but i dont really dislike it that much
so its fine
violet ginkgo
I wonder what furry thinks
divided, I mean I personally love s2.
blazing condor
divided, I mean I personally love s2.
violet ginkgo
oof
lusty grotto
lol brew
hazy bronze
I dont eat crayons. I prefer glue
echo grail
Wow fury Chanel started jumping real fast
uneven mason
i feel like bloodbath gameplay is too simple
I try fury because it's supposed to be better than arms for throughput and endup zoning out
dusky canopy
Good morning my fellow Prot intellectuals
uneven mason
But, wish me luck boys, I've got a mythic raid slot in my vault for the first time
dusky canopy
How do you do
dusky canopy
I’m not actually upset brotha just chatting for fun
uneven mason
lusty grotto
💢
dusky canopy
I’ll play whatever builds they give us
uneven mason
S3 was amazing for arms, we're just 12% behind for St damage
Because they refuse to tune us
uneven mason
Legit just 10% PvE aura bump
dusky canopy
Cherry on top would be a better way to dump rage for big ToM and more AM value
tribal wharf
I’m not actually upset brotha just chatting for fun
ya, any time that i make wild demands or cookings im just basically bored out of my mind
dusky canopy
But it works
uneven mason
Cherry on top would be a better way to dump rage for big ToM and more AM value
This is the real reason we're suffering, we have no off gcd method of boosting tom
lyric cape
Still love Warrior didn't get any changes for 10.2
uneven mason
They never compensated us for that massive drop
tribal wharf
im only actually mad when im talking about something thats stopping my progression on a key or route (any game i guess, sega space ship game is turning into routes
dusky canopy
It’s ironic because I advocated against IP dumping while we had it but now that it’s gone I want it back
Lul
uneven mason
Still love Warrior didn't get any changes for 10.2
I mean they nerfed arms
uneven mason
It’s ironic because I advocated against IP dumping while we had it but now that ...
Literally compensate us
Like you're stripping a huge chunk of str off us
dusky canopy
That’s all they did, nerf us and then poorly compensated
onyx hearth
Still love Warrior didn't get any changes for 10.2
Warriors are Balanced 
uneven mason
"we want ip to be used only for it's defensive value"
Literally every arms warrior - removes IP from their bars
dusky canopy
There it is
Literal best button
You want a giga juiced 3FR stack, 2EP stack MS
I know I do
uneven mason
Actually at this point, it could be a button that spends 20rage and it's only effect is that we quack like a duck as long as it's off the gcd
Because Tom we're basically punished for using half our abilities, since they don't spend rage
tribal wharf
"we want ip to be used only for it's defensive value"
Literally every arms war...
i mean, between leech, and like, defensive stance i guess? for tough spells on some bosses? why would you hit ip as dps warrior
uneven mason
You don't anymore
tribal wharf
fury already has extremely obvious rage dumps and i think arms mostly is ms, but theres surely other stuff to dump rage for
uneven mason
Ip is literally not in my bar as arms
uneven mason
fury already has extremely obvious rage dumps and i think arms mostly is ms, but...
Sure, slam ww tc and rend
tribal wharf
i've been shoveling out all of the knowledge i have about wow and protection warrior this past like month or so
lusty grotto
yeah i removed ip relatively quick
uneven mason
But they're all DPS losses over forcing a ms reset with op
tribal wharf
been filling my brain instead with "how to beat that sega game on hard mode"
tribal wharf
probably spent... 3 hours on it yesterday? im not sure, 1.5 hours for sure anyways
dusky canopy
Yeah it’s pretty bad since they don’t spend enough
lusty grotto
yea
uneven mason
Yup
violet ginkgo
but once they hit the execute phase, the rage dump like crazy because spamming execute
dusky canopy
Don’t want to be arbitrarily rage starved because of blizzard design
Just want more options to spend
Reward good gameplay
uneven mason
but once they hit the execute phase, the rage dump like crazy because spamming e...
Yeah but being balanced around the last 1/6th of a fight
violet ginkgo
I do agree though they need more spender
tribal wharf
my personal opnion is rage should be if you have none you don't attack as fast or as hard do anything and if you have full rage all the time, you are burnt out and hurt your self
violet ginkgo
I mean having trouble of dumping rage then suddenly dumping too much during execute phase is not a good design
tribal wharf
like, i say that mostly in jest
onyx hearth
Impressive how fury got tier 2 back, I though everyone did find it boring
lusty grotto
uneven mason
FR, make it cost 30 rage increase ms by 1% I'd fucking hit it like pez
tribal wharf
fuck, blizzard could still GPT out some set bonuses
shit not ever heard of nor thunk before
lusty grotto
unless chatgpd has access to discord chats
id say that's a fucking horrible idea
and im pretty sure it doesnt have access to discord chats
its just gonna find some random comments in reddit talking about the worst takes and use those
toxic pewter
ccp AI surely is studying all discord conversations including DMs
toxic pewter
wat u mean china effectively owns discord
toxic pewter
tencent or watever
they studying tiktok, discord, reddit
every keystroke, even the ones not entered
lusty grotto
i wouldnt say own
toxic pewter
part owner yea
lusty grotto
they have a large share
blazing condor
they have their ten cents
toxic pewter
they are effectively more spyware than apps at this point
to just collect data
that is the true purpose of the 'apps'
onyx hearth
unless chatgpd has access to discord chats
Try and see what GPT generates for you
lusty grotto
discord is privately owned apb
tencent is an investor but they have no say
its not a public traded company
toxic pewter
how u think they got all the money
lusty grotto
Try and see what GPT generates for you
i know how it works, im a software engineer
toxic pewter
china does not give money unless they have total control over the 'deal'
tribal wharf
GPT: Certainly! While I don't have real-time data on the current state of World of Warcraft, I can provide a generic suggestion for a Protection Warrior set bonus based on typical tanking needs:
2-Piece Set Bonus: Titanic Resolve: Reduces the cooldown of your Shield Block ability by 2 seconds and increases its effectiveness by 20%.
4-Piece Set Bonus: Indomitable Defense: Taking damage has a chance to grant you a stack of "Indomitable Defense," increasing your Armor and Dodge rating by 2% per stack. Stacks up to 5 times. Lasts 10 seconds.
This set bonus is designed to enhance a Protection Warrior's ability to mitigate damage through improved Shield Block uptime and additional defensive boosts from the 4-piece bonus. Remember that the effectiveness of set bonuses can vary depending on the specific encounters and group compositions in the game. Always consider adjusting your gear based on your playstyle and the challenges you face in the game.
it thinks we are in classic
toxic pewter
lol
lusty grotto
of course it does
toxic pewter
ask google bard now
tribal wharf
armor and dodge LMAO
lusty grotto
cause its scanning websites that have old as fuck info
pallid quiver
i know how it works, im a software engineer
lies, you're not a software engineer, you're a software endgineer
lusty grotto
if ChatGPT accessed Discord, they would have to rework their API to allow that and that would be insanely costly
why do you think reddit started charging for API calls
pallid quiver
"Reduces the cooldown of your Shield Block ability by 2 seconds and increases its effectiveness by 20%."
hell yeah, 120% block rate
lusty grotto
and fucked over all the apps
tribal wharf
2-Piece Set Bonus: Ironclad Resolve: Increases the duration of Shield Block by 2 seconds, and successful blocks have a chance to generate a small amount of Rage.
4-Piece Set Bonus: Vigilant Guardian: When Shield Block is active, you gain a stack of "Vigilance" every 5 seconds. Each stack of Vigilance increases your Armor and Stamina by 2%, stacking up to 5 times. Stacks persist for 15 seconds.
i told it be be more recent with expansions it copies from.
lusty grotto
scanning a medium isnt free
tribal wharf
now its just wrath, trying to give us back vigilance
onyx hearth
now its just wrath, trying to give us back vigilance
I mean, I wouldn't mind
blazing condor
bring back mop vengeance 
toxic pewter
make warrior great again
lusty grotto
☝️
toxic pewter
GOT U LOL
lusty tiger
💯
toxic pewter
honestly they should bring back mop
pallid quiver
I'd play a lot of wow if vengeance was back
pallid quiver
bring back mop
I had way too much fun with mop, not gonna lie
was also the last time i was ever in a guild
tribal wharf
Warrior's Onslaught: Each successful use of Heroic Strike or Thunder Clap
blazing condor
good set
pallid quiver
I miss Heroic Strike
tribal wharf
2-Piece Set Bonus: Furious Assault: Successful critical strikes with Devastate or Shield Slam have a chance to empower your next Heroic Strike, causing it to deal additional damage and generate additional Rage.
4-Piece Set Bonus: Unyielding Onslaught: Your Shield Slam critical strikes grant you a stack of "Unyielding Onslaught," increasing your attack speed and movement speed by a moderate amount for 8 seconds. Stacks up to 3 times. Additionally, during Unyielding Onslaught, your Thunder Clap deals increased damage.
HEROIC STIRKE
fuck me
toxic pewter
osnap im gonna play classic while servers down
blazing condor
tldr chatgpt cant do tier sets for shits
pallid quiver
"generate additional Rage"
"Heroic Strike"
lusty grotto
thats what i said
pallid quiver
get the fuck out of here, ai. you insult heroic strike
toxic pewter
Google bard's tier set:
Set Bonuses:
2-piece: Spending Rage has a chance to grant a stacking shield for 5 seconds, absorbing up to 5% of your maximum health as damage. Consuming a bleed effect with Shield Slam instantly reduces the cooldown of Thunderous Roar by 3 seconds.
4-piece: Thunder Clap now applies a debuff to enemies, causing them to periodically erupt in molten fissures, dealing damage over time and slowing their movement. When standing near an erupted fissure, your Shield Block and Ignore Pain are strengthened by 10%.
LOL wtf
lusty grotto
toxic pewter
they ripped off current tier set sort of
tribal wharf
Vengeful Assault: Successful Parries with Shield Slam
gpt thinks we parry when we hit shield slmaw
loool
2-Piece Set Bonus: Vengeful Assault: Successful Parries with Shield Slam empower your next Revenge, causing it to deal increased damage and generate additional Rage.
4-Piece Set Bonus: Rampant Fury: Your Shield Slam critical strikes increase the damage of your next Thunder Clap within 6 seconds by a percentage, stacking up to 3 times. Additionally, Thunder Clap has a chance to reset the cooldown of Shield Slam.
am okay with second one
sick sentinel
Guys , why does prot warrior feel so much better to play than prot paladin
lusty grotto
cause you touch yourself at night
onyx hearth
Guys , why does prot warrior feel so much better to play than prot paladin
Because you don't have to be a healer
lusty grotto
take it away Brew!
lusty grotto
i dont know what that is
tribal wharf
"Thunder Clap now applies a debuff to enemies, causing them to periodically erupt in molten fissures, dealing damage over time and slowing their movement. When standing near an erupted fissure, your Shield Block and Ignore Pain are strengthened by 10%."
wtf
dusky canopy
Oh it’s this guy
toxic pewter
Guys , why does prot warrior feel so much better to play than prot paladin
most people seemingly find prot pala more fun, even if you read on forums and reddit, I don't really get it tbh
dusky canopy
sick sentinel
most people seemingly find prot pala more fun, even if you read on forums and re...
Yeah I mean , prot paladin gives this coward energy ngl
I mean anything paladin does really
Bubble up and nothing hurts , feels kinda bad
toxic pewter
always first line is like 'OMG I LOVE DEVINE TOLL AND THE SOUND IT MAKES ITS THE MOST FUN BUTTON TO PRESS IN THE ENTIRE GAME'
then i am like, lol, go stand in ur circle
onyx hearth
Prot paladin dont even need party members
lusty grotto
do you guys feel better about putting another class down or something?
i dont get it
toxic pewter
yes
sick sentinel
always first line is like 'OMG I LOVE DEVINE TOLL AND THE SOUND IT MAKES ITS THE...
I’d argue that it’s shirt ripping sound of ignore pain that is the best sound in the game
OR SHIELD CHARGE
That freaking explosion
dusky canopy
Paladin is better than us in all situations
toxic pewter
the paladins always start it
dusky canopy
We need buffs
lusty grotto
unfortunate
sick sentinel
Paladin is better than us in all situations
They aren’t in the cool factor situation though 😎😎
onyx hearth
prot pal is a prot warrior that can heal and insane interrupts
toxic pewter
yeah but you gotta stand in a circle
sick sentinel
yeah but you gotta stand in a circle
dusky canopy
Get this
lusty grotto
getting some real small peepee vibes here
toxic pewter
i duel and beat all prot paladins i encounter in game
dusky canopy
Ppal kept getting knocked up by storming right
Well apparently when storming knocks you up you are not considered to be in your consecration
So no dr
toxic pewter
lmao rekt
toxic pewter
the dependance on cosecration always will be why that class is annoying imo
dusky canopy
I think it should just be anchored to your feet and move with you
sick sentinel
I don’t play prot paladin, so that’s why when I tried and didn’t have circle I died
toxic pewter
yeah i know it could move and crap in previous xpacs
uneven mason
Go stand in your circle
sick sentinel
Man, that sucks. Thanks blizzard for not letting warriors stand in circle
And to be fair BDK health bar ping pong is more fun that standing in holy circle
uneven mason
But at least our abilities are not stance locked
lusty tiger
A strong stance on stances
toxic pewter
no my whole premise is stances effectvely mean less more than ever
so like why are they even there
uneven mason
Like stances are just full on another cd that's off the gcd
sick sentinel
For flavor
That’s why they are there
I mean let’s be real A 3% damage reduction ? Seriously ?
toxic pewter
yeah but they don't actually contribute anything toward meaningful choice any more
so my argument is just to lose them at this point
and meet in the middle
sick sentinel
But they make cool sound when activated
Maybe if you are like in open world and someone sees you activate defensive stance they gonna go like “damn, better not mess with this guy.”
toxic pewter
na cuz defensive stance is effectively nerfed in pvp anyway
sick sentinel
Question actually overall about nerfs and buffs - does blizzard give clarification why certain abilities being nerfed ? Like for instance rallying cry
sick sentinel
Was it something valid ?
pallid quiver
Usually yes, but not technically always. Some explanations are more in depth than others
lusty grotto
it was valid yes
pallid quiver
Was it something valid ?
Part of an overall attempt at weakening raid healing/defensive CDs due to their overall impact on the course of an encounter
lusty grotto
rallying cry got nerfed in a round to nerf all the group cds of every class in the game as to make healing more impactful
median tulip
Question actually overall about nerfs and buffs - does blizzard give clarificati...
Their justification was to do with the changes to healer mana management IIRC
pallid quiver
Healing CDs and the like were too impactful, making it so damage incoming, in order to pose a threat, had to be very spiky, erratic, and just overall feel bad. It's been sorta the case throughout all of DF
toxic pewter
yeah but they forgot to make rally work 100% better in 5 man content like they did with darkness and many others at this point
median tulip
Personally I think it sucks and RC is now a weak and unimpressive button that is barely worth the GCD
toxic pewter
yeah its pitiful
pallid quiver
So they group nerfed all healing CDs, buffed max HP to create a large buffer, and attempted to put more focus on general spot healing and healing decision making.
lusty grotto
pallid quiver
Milleage may vary as to whether they acheived their goal, but that was their goal. I agree with the goal's aim, for the record
median tulip
Doubling it in 5 man content and taking it off the GCD would make it worth using
sick sentinel
heres the blue post: <https://www.wowhead.com/news/healing-throughput-and-mana-g...
Thank you for going trough trouble to find the sauce
uneven mason
If only rally was as impactful as a major CD to begin with
toxic pewter
still cant believe they gave aug evokers a better rally and they got our lust that we should of gotten.. talk about a yikes situation
uneven mason
still cant believe they gave aug evokers a better rally and they got our lust th...
Gotta make the new class good
median tulip
I don't think they will ever give a tank lust
toxic pewter
its already bringing a shitton
toxic pewter
I don't think they will ever give a tank lust
always gotta be a first
uneven mason
I don't think they will ever give a tank lust
In b4 paladins get heroism in 11.0
sick sentinel
What about the future ?
Was there some general consensus on how does protection warrior mountain thane hero spec looks like in your opinion?
I only know the perspective of damage dealers
toxic pewter
df beta was a hackjob for prot warr
uneven mason
What about the future ?
Was there some general consensus on how does protection...
It looks like a lot of flavor without any real impact
toxic pewter
they even took our bleed cleanse and gave it to evoker
median tulip
Personally I think that an enrage removal would be more thematic. Of course Evokers got that too 🙄
uneven mason
The hero trees in general don't have a lot of impact
pallid quiver
What about the future ?
Was there some general consensus on how does protection...
They could change so much about it that we can't say anything concrete. All we can say is the idea is neat, and it'd be nice if they succeeded at making both of the trees relatively equal so you can just choose whichever you like aesthetically/in concept like they want you to be able to
median tulip
Remember that the Hero "trees" aren't really a tree. You get all the nodes.
pallid quiver
but it's super funny tho
toxic pewter
still gotta choose between storm bolt and intervene talents tho
pretty sure we all gonna go with intervene prob
they need to buff that
uneven mason
Yeah
toxic pewter
needs to be % based
median tulip
Is Intervene going to be useful again?
toxic pewter
this whole 3x your health or whatever is dumb
echo grail
Just means they'll make boss mechanics that do 5x your health
toxic pewter
thats the only utility on the tree pretty much and prob only utility we getting for another xpac LOL
uneven mason
this whole 3x your health or whatever is dumb
3x armor, it'll be less than nothing
toxic pewter
oh right armor
uneven mason
Yeah my main concern is the % buffs to core abilities in these trees
dusky canopy
@lusty tiger what’s on the menu at the buffet today?
toxic pewter
when u think they show more hero trees
uneven mason
Because it's going to feel like shit when they nerf our core abilities just so they can buff them in the hero tree
Because that's what they Always do
toxic pewter
what abilities do you think colossus will focus on
uneven mason
Using 2h with shield
They could just Legitimately leave it at that
And I'd be happy
lusty tiger
<@193453212500623360> what’s on the menu at the buffet today?
I only find out when I get there, then I’ll send a pic of what I get
tribal wharf
the blue post is they are nerffing healers tldr?
tribal wharf
sounds like they are doing it again or continuing that path
lusty grotto
no?
uneven mason
Their justification for making an already mid raid CD absolutely useless
lusty grotto
its a September blue post
tribal wharf
oh okay, i thought was newer blue post
uneven mason
I think they did a pretty good job of raising the skill bar for healers, just still tilted about rally getting murdered in the process when warriors are already struggling for raid spots
Since we're doing absolute shit for damage
dusky canopy
Kinda L that they gutted rally
Should have made it stronger
Same with DK bubble
Let it be polarizing who cares
uneven mason
Do bubble at least has an obvious impact
dusky canopy
Feels good when your class matters
sick sentinel
I may be wrong, but didn't they specifically say "powerful" hero talents
or something along those lines
uneven mason
Wat
dusky canopy
Is a spec/class polarizing if they all have something overpowered
Imo no
I’d argue that would be good for the game overall
uneven mason
I'm comfortable with hero talents being passable
winged slate
I just want to see some way for warriors to interact with the stupid CC/dispel M+ mechanics
tribal wharf
i need this for my xbox controller
grizzled nova
Baseline shockwave, make it a knockup instead of a stun, baseline intimidating shout so taking menace is a viable option, reduce CD of pummel to 12 seconds.
Done, warrior is useful in m+, takes basically zero effort to implement.
tribal wharf
i love those thumb cap things for the most part
they are very nice, can print basically whatever on them could do wow logo, alliance/horde symbols, blizzard logo, others
grizzled nova
If I had to guess why warrior doesn't get much in the way of utility, it's pvp related, which is annoying.
We're rapidly approaching the point that the 3 pvp talents need to be replaced by pvp having entirely-specific talent trees that replace pve talent trees when in pvp combat.
violet ginkgo
I just want to see some way for warriors to interact with the stupid CC/dispel M...
namely the spirit?
tribal wharf
Baseline shockwave, make it a knockup instead of a stun, baseline intimidating s...
ya, cuz its an earthquake, so ground sinking (stun) or ground rises up (knocked into air)
so those make some logical sense
grizzled nova
It's good that it works thematically, but mostly I want this because stuns are a massively crowded diminishing return category, and making it a knockup will make it more useful even if the odd mob is immune.
tribal wharf
knockup has a totally another conotation to me
and i cant unpair thephrase and that meaning so i try to not use it when speaking about game mechanics
hushed harbor
well we're not trying to inseminate the mobs lol
tribal wharf
i try to say "thrown in air" or something similiar, thats just me personally though, bugs me slightly but idrgaf
lusty grotto
sexy
winged slate
well we're not trying to inseminate the mobs lol
Speak for yourself
tribal wharf
H-doom had an update like uhh 6 or 8 months ago now i think💀
DONT look up nsfw, but i know is an update bc, i saw thumbnail from decino, like yesterday
back when i heard about it said wtf, still do when think of it
lusty grotto
holy christ this sam relic looks badass
grizzled nova
and i cant unpair thephrase and that meaning so i try to not use it when speakin...
uh
that sounds like a you problem
twilit jolt
Need help 😄 i main prot pally over 3 y end somewhere 2.8-2.9 k and tanking 3-4 bosses on mitik but I think I will be back on me war last time I tank on war was in cata. So never did i spy warrior forums but how really good he is on 20-22+
sick sentinel
I'm guessing with Fyrakk trinket you just pop it in big pack and go ham? Did 6% of my dmg last key in fall
Or is there way to make most of the dmg?
twilit jolt
Augury from normal 483 it's doing like 3 nr on me pally :p sick
uneven mason
I'm guessing with Fyrakk trinket you just pop it in big pack and go ham? Did 6% ...
Yeah basically
sick sentinel
Mines the raging heart, Saw it crit for 328k so was wondering if theres a way to just do more
Ah thankyou just go ham faceroll
Pog trinket
uneven mason
If have rageheart - giggapull
sick sentinel
Got lucky in guild run
warm plinth
<:xan:1094127979703062558> Got lucky in guild run
S2 fury, I see you also are a man of culture.
uneven mason
Every now and then they design a good tank trinket
I love rageheart on my (literally every tank but warrior)
toxic pewter
Why though
sick sentinel
S2 fury, I see you also are a man of culture.
Yes sir was fun for m+
jagged pier
cause we mitigate the most damage i presume
warm plinth
uneven mason
I didn't have time to pug heroic this week either
warm plinth
I assume he just has it on every tank but his warrior haha
sick sentinel
S2 fury, I see you also are a man of culture.
I'm on my VDH and well "Vote s3"
warm plinth
Kek
uneven mason
cause we mitigate the most damage i presume
Because I have it on all my alts, but have seen zero on the war
warm plinth
I was surprised it won. S3 was winning for most of the week
sick sentinel
What did prot get?
warm plinth
S3
sick sentinel
Pog
uneven mason
Thank the NA voters
sick sentinel
S4 gonna be litty
warm plinth
Most decisive vote ever was guardian though lul
uneven mason
EU has a bunch of trolls
warm plinth
S2 by an absolute landslide
sick sentinel
Guardian sucks right?
warm plinth
Not really but s2 was overpowered
toxic pewter
No tank sucks to be honest
warm plinth
Oh I assumed you meant the tier set
uneven mason
Guardian is fine, their S3 is fucking garbage
sick sentinel
I just saw people complaining about bear this season
soft trout
Its all about the playerrrr
sick sentinel
^^^
toxic pewter
What’s so bad about s3 bear set
uneven mason
I just saw people complaining about bear this season
Because they were immortal in S2, but got nerfed, still strong af
warm plinth
And you have to spam a lot of Ironfur which is lame as fuck
sick sentinel
I won't lie I have more fun tanking rise on my VDH than Pwarr especially last boss but hey I blame healer
uneven mason
What’s so bad about s3 bear set
It's a IP type absorb that only works vs magic
lusty grotto
I won't lie I have more fun tanking rise on my VDH than Pwarr especially last bo...
thats becaues you dont know how to play
uneven mason
And promotes degen gameplay to boost
echo grail
You gotta spam rage dump during a 12 sec window
sick sentinel
fyraak can be solo tanked by pwar
Yeah I already done that
lusty grotto
so why blame healer
sick sentinel
But pwarr on deios i get ass blasted by adds and breath and struggle to survive
I have not attempted it again
uneven mason
But pwarr on deios i get ass blasted by adds and breath and struggle to survive
Leap breath
lusty grotto
so leap the breath lol
warm plinth
You can leap breath pretty safely outside of p3
uneven mason
I guess I need to fix my name again
sick sentinel
Only heard of leap breath after failed 24 and since then I have not been back
uneven mason
But yeah his breath trucks but should have enough CD for it
lusty grotto
well you wont on baby keys
uneven mason
VDH also leaps the breath
Don't they have like, 60% passive magic dr
lusty grotto
and not tyr
sick sentinel
Pretty sure it's mainly the adds
warm plinth
You have a lot of DR on vdh naturally too though with frailty
On st especially since you soul cleave a lot
uneven mason
And like a 1m CD on meta
toxic pewter
Entire class needs to be floored
lusty grotto
spikes dr + immolation aura is magic dr
sick sentinel
I boosted VDH 3 days ago, super fun, I love my pwarr tho, will go back to it S4
This season halfway through
I just have PTSD
lusty grotto
i love my dh too
uneven mason
Play all tanks (but brm, protesting button bloat)
sick sentinel
Yeah I play all
lusty grotto
not like its hard
sick sentinel
Me so far 3k next week on vdh, just been farming fall for now
lusty grotto
no reason to do it
uneven mason
It's mid season already
vocal flame
I think so 😮
Maybe they replace rise and fall with something else I haven't read anything on it yet tho
hazy bronze
Lasher pull in AA
median tulip
Aside from Nokhud Offensive the DF Dungeons are fine
hazy bronze
😩
median tulip
Lasher pull in AA
That was great fun
lusty grotto
nok is the best one
median tulip
NO is the worst dungeon since Halls of Atonement
lusty grotto
nope
not even close
big pulls all around
plenty of reflects
absolute banger of a dungeon
median tulip
Boring boring trigger mob dungeon. Just like HoA. The concept needs to die.
median tulip
Making a wide-open dungeon and then tying boss activation to the trigger mobs and forcing 90% of the count based on getting to those is... yeah, terrible
lusty grotto
nope its not
median tulip
It makes for a dull and predictable dungeon without interesting variation
pallid quiver
I'll be honest, Nim, you're definitely in the minority here. I remember people calling it Notgood Offensive back during S1, including me
I don't mind the activation trigger thing,
lusty grotto
thats because everyone here remembers wiping to Stormy McStorms because healers were garbage
pallid quiver
I mind that you're just plopped in 4 specific circles grinding mobs out for the dungeons length
lusty grotto
instead of the huge pulls that you could do
pallid quiver
I don't remember shit about the bosses because there was so much fucking trash to clear
lusty grotto
and Stormy McStorms had insanely huge reflects
plush tendon
Stormy McStorms wasnt even the hardest fight
pallid quiver
They're not diverse enough so they all just blended together since it was constantly the same scenery, too, since the dungeon was effectively like 4 rooms
median tulip
Brackenhide is... acceptable. I will never love the obligatory "Plague and DoTs" dungeon in any expansion, but as an example of the genre it's not bad (and infinitely superior to Plaguefall)
lusty grotto
last boss had HUGE reflects
pallid quiver
Boring ass dungeon, never want to see it again personally
plush tendon
Brackenhide's issue is that the dungeon teeters on whether or not you can do the last boss
nothing else matters
till the end
median tulip
Yeah, it does have a slight case of that. Not as bad as Atal'Dazar, though
pallid quiver
I think Zet means the same concept, just the distance between last boss and the rest of the dungeon is even bigger
lusty grotto
a lot of these takes are themewise, who gives a shit abotu that
pallid quiver
So difficulty cap is lower in AD, but the rest of the dungeon is even lower proportionally
plush tendon
people think Yazma is hard because theyve pugged AD once and were like 'omg, this place is a mess!'
median tulip
Yeah. AD is 15-20 minutes of clearing trash to find out if your party can do Yazma
pallid quiver
a lot of these takes are themewise, who gives a shit abotu that
I give a lot of shits. If I don't like the dungeons thematically or how they look
I just don't play the game at all.
plush tendon
reality is... if you just follow the choo choo train, the fight is free
median tulip
Academy I loved. I was sad when they nerfed the tree boss though.
pallid quiver
I don't like most of the general WoW community, so I'm not playing it for the people. The gameplay is decently fun, but not fun enough to outclass other games to me, so a lot of why I play is the theme/world/how it feels to just exist in the game.
lusty grotto
so are we talking immersion or how the dungeons feel throughout the season?
pallid quiver
Academy I loved. I was sad when they nerfed the tree boss though.
Academy I liked a lot; I didn't think I would.
lusty grotto
cause honestly no, we dont give a shit about theming a mythic+ season
pallid quiver
so are we talking immersion or how the dungeons feel throughout the season?
Both; both are relevant
pallid quiver
They'll all influence whether people want to play the game.
it's why I just straight ass skipped S2
lusty grotto
whether people want to play the game outside of a m+ seasons sure
whether people want to play the game in the season? nobody gives a shit
youre still gonna run them back to back
median tulip
I'm looking forward to Neltharus being back in rotation though. Love that Dungeon.
pallid quiver
I like Neltharus' design and mobs, I just am not super big on the cavey firey brown/black/red/orange kinda wow jazz without something to kick it in for me
lusty grotto
if i had only 2 keys to run in s1, i would have instantly picked Nok and AA
pallid quiver
since i've seen a lot
dusky canopy
I’m a AV fan too
median tulip
I'm told that the skip in AV has been nerfed
plush tendon
post nerfs
dusky canopy
AV and AA are the best dungeons
plush tendon
AA timer is tight as a biscuit
dusky canopy
The rest are nomgusted
strong forum
Y'alls lost your minds
median tulip
I don't mind AV as long as you can skip half of it
pallid quiver
My only issue with Vault was how tight timer could be for pugs; I thought a lot of it was neat to look at.
Kinda a pain to play, tho
dusky canopy
Oh Bracken is good too
pallid quiver
didn't like the skips in Vault myself
dusky canopy
I like bracken
strong forum
AV is only good when you do all of frogs in 1 very long pull
Vault skip was only a thing for 1 week
For trash pugs
Absolutely 0 time gain
median tulip
I disliked the frogs jumping all over the shop. Made me feel thoroughly useless.
strong forum
You pull early more of the hard trash to then skip the easy trash???
plush tendon
S1 also had some pretty meh dungeons
strong forum
Absolute moronic route
pallid quiver
I hated Court
Shadowmoon had the novelty factor of being from an xpac I hadn't played, so no idea how I actually felt about it
strong forum
Idk s1 was just smbg and court prison 24/7
median tulip
Ruby Life Pools coming back is going to be a thing, though :/
pallid quiver
Idk s1 was just smbg and court prison 24/7
just get whetstone and ring like w1/2, ezpz
plush tendon
and we dont talk about Temple of Jade
strong forum
But I mean prison as isn
"you only did those keys cuz all the others sucked"
pallid quiver
yeah that's definitely how most people felt
median tulip
There's always a key that gets run as the easy option to fill out vaults
pallid quiver
Like, people would look at Academy and be like, "dead key"
NO, "dead key"
Temple, "dead key"
plush tendon
yea, but Temple was like.... popp to play
pallid quiver
and you'd look at their +16 and wonder just what exactly led them to this conclusion
median tulip
Crawth in AA was nasty
plush tendon
at least with NO and AA it was at least fun to prog on if you were pushing score
median tulip
Gonna be so many deaths in the first passageway in RLP again
lusty grotto
never had issues there
kokya is another story
extremely high tyr first boss is also another story, pre-nerf
median tulip
early in the season that first hallways was a pug killer on fort
violet flume
hey maybe s4 would be all new dungeons, thatd be cool ... right 😦
median tulip
I expect it to be the DF dungeons, simply because only having them in rotation once in their won expansion would be weird
But you know, blizz could surprise us and do something batshit crazy
M+ Wailing Caverns or some shit
lusty grotto
they want fated seasons to be a recap of the expansion
thats what they are aiming at
so it'll naturally have to be all DF dungeons
and i have no problem with that
median tulip
With or without DotI?
lusty grotto
who knows
i like the challenge Rise gives
and Fall is shit easy anyway
but those 2 are def not a given
depends on entirely on Blizz
it would make sense to be included
they did include taz on the last fated
lusty grotto
you really hate big pulls dont you
median tulip
It was the dragon I hated
lusty grotto
yea Rise's timer is tight
plush tendon
and the only way to get good count is the first area
you add like 2-3 mins on Rise's timer.... we chillin
lusty grotto
but honestly thats only a problem cause the rest have so much of a slacker timer
plush tendon
or just reduce the health of the three mini bosses
median tulip
Waycrest's timer is absurbly slack
lusty grotto
Tyr is just a weird one
cause of the shield phases
that can kill your key
extremely early on
plush tendon
overall though, the dungeon bosses are easier then falls
People be sleeping on bosses 2-4 in Fall... they be deadly
median tulip
the immune phase bosses that add a lot of time if you fall just slightly behind the DPS race can cost you a lot
last boss of Halls of Infusion is the same concept
plush tendon
yea.... rise is a dungeon where timer is just : ^)
plush tendon
do the first area clean, realize that you were slightly slow.... key dedge
lusty grotto
if theres one dungeon i hate its halls, its not that its hard, its that its way too long, and oddly paced
in DF i mean
plush tendon
shouldve been allowed to mount
median tulip
Oh yeah, people not finding the entrance is kinda funny
lusty grotto
like after first boss...
median tulip
Halls of Atonement when??
The day blizz want me to quit wow
dusky canopy
😲
waxen frigate
if theres one dungeon i hate its halls, its not that its hard, its that its way ...
Also no respawn kekw
waxen frigate
The day blizz want me to quit wow
L take
lusty grotto
fr
waxen frigate
You’re wrong
dusky canopy
My first 24 key with nim
lusty grotto
idk i think the rest are fine but HoI was just bleh
waxen frigate
HoI badge
Also I heard from a friend who was leveling in dungeons that they patched AV skip
So you just die if you jump off the rings immediately
Not sure if that’s accurate though
median tulip
I've heard similar
dusky canopy
If they patched skipping that dungeon is easily worst imo
The ring trash is horrendous
lusty grotto
the biggest problems there were sanguine too
cause of the big motherfuckers
that you couldnt kick or stop
wait
strong forum
You don't like a pull with 7 mobs where 6 of the 7 do magic frontal nukes, 2 unavoidable gigantic cone ones that leave a dot + a huge elemental that moves at a snails pace + requires a kick + does a huge aoe circle around him?
sick sentinel
I want Ruby life pools already
strong forum
You don't like a pull with 3 elementals who require 2 stops per mob, 1 huge guy and 2-4 frontal casters?
lusty grotto
and the frontals were np
strong forum
They were np cuz you kited them 24/7 back and forth
waxen frigate
that you couldnt kick or stop
Nokhud too
sick sentinel
Fuck nokhud
winged slate
Blizz didn't say the S4 dungeon pool yet, right?
strong forum
They said "revisiting DF dungeons and raids"
winged slate
Gross
uneven mason
Fucking rally the clans jerk who sits in Alaska and requires a hard stop
sick sentinel
median tulip
Agree. AA is fine. It was fine even before they nerfed the tree.
winged slate
I just don't wanna do AV ever again
strong forum
Just fix crawth and nerf vexamus
Then we can maybe talk about AA
Also nerf the axes' bleed
uneven mason
Ngl DF dungeons suck
lusty grotto
not as much as SL dungeons
uneven mason
I skipped most of SL
median tulip
ToP and Streets were ok
median tulip
Plaguefall can fuck all the way off
lusty grotto
tirna was only bad because of rng labyrinth
uneven mason
Whatever