do they?
#protection
lusty grotto
grave haven
i'll gotta check it out
lusty grotto
tree boss EB? last boss EB? last boss ToTT?
last boss BRH?
gnarlroot and smoldy?
hell even larodar orbs
are kind of buffs
albeit not straight dmg amps
grave haven
hm yea and we dont see disc priests skyrocketting around
weak snow
hey is allied wrist guards + frostfire legs a decent option for m+ oder is 2 x shadow flame patch just way better?
lusty grotto
2x patch is better, but not by a huge amount
like if youre gonna craft specifically for prot, do patches
if you have the other 2, youre ok until you can craft the patches
frostfire legs were never that good for prot
ever
weak snow
i do only m+ and planning on prot only, its an alt
lusty grotto
ok why are you asking about those? did you craft them by mistake or something?
weak snow
no because i just had in mind that shadow flame patch is raid/st focused and i thought the others i mentioned would be more defensive/aoe-ish, but i can be wrong ofc
crafted nothing so far, got all sparks up
dim token
How much do you guys use def stance in higher keys like 26-28
restive scroll
How much do you guys use def stance in higher keys like 26-28
Depends on the key.
Mostly on pulls in 26/27
Switching quickly after
toxic pewter
People really hate the legendary apparently it doesn’t actually feel legendary enough
But I have a feeling most of those people don’t even have it or have used it 🤔
lusty grotto
well
to be fair
both legion and SL legendaries felt even less like legendaries, even MoP cloaks
they were just burrowed power
so i guess theyre basing this on either sylv bow or any legendary before cata
and including it cause rogue daggers
so fangs of the father / tarecgosa/ shadowmourne / ulduar healing leggo (valanyr) / glaives / thoridal / tfury / sulfuras and i guess sylv bow
warm plinth
boo Blizzard, capping follower dungeons
toxic pewter
so i guess theyre basing this on either sylv bow or any legendary before cata
Ya one guy compared it to shadowmourne where he was ahead of other dps by 15%
toxic pewter
Hmmm when you put it that way doesn’t surprise me no
lusty grotto
but completely skipping how legion/SL/mop cloaks felt even LESS like legendaries
toxic pewter
Definitely good point and I agree
lusty grotto
could just be a classic andy, or just completely misremembering
toxic pewter
Like what are modern day legendaries supposed to be then. Just like an item that may give an interesting new interaction or something?
lusty grotto
i mean its fine as it is i think
toxic pewter
Are they actually supposed to make us stronger
lusty grotto
its not super insane like the old ones
toxic pewter
Yah I am fine with it too I guess just confused slightly
toxic pewter
Yah seems stronger than those legendaries to me
grim furnace
maybe all the folks with the legendary dont know how to play 🤣
strong forum
something that i cant type in here
blazing condor
dn
hazy bronze
something that i cant type in here
Sold
vestal moat
Hypothetically, if warriors were to receive a damage buff exactly equal to the loss from using defensive stance (7% or so), would we still stance dance and use dstance situationally as we do now, or simply stay in dstancet 100% of the time and figure it is all evened out.
median tulip
Hypothetically, if warriors were to receive a damage buff exactly equal to the l...
We'd still stay in Battle Stance 99% of the time
grim pilot
getting a 7% buff doesnt mean you wouldn't want another say 7% buff on top of that (bstance instead of dstance)
pale karma
Has anyone tried other tanks like DK and DH this season? If so, how do you feel going back to your warrior afterwards?
blazing condor
Theres no place like home
uneven mason
Has anyone tried other tanks like DK and DH this season? If so, how do you feel...
1000% more tanky
DK and DH are basically like stabbing a bucket of slime
sure, you make a mark but it just closes up the instant you remove the knife
uneven mason
warrior is like stabbing a 1/4" steel plate
you're going to be at it for a while before a noticeable dent appears
uneven mason
dull zodiac
Who are the people voting season 1 and what went wrong in their up bringing
grand veldt
@patent osprey
1.) Proud of your 30 AD man, ty for putting us on the map, great job.
2.) Who let you cook this in your IO page?
pale karma
1000% more tanky
Hmm. Yeah, they both do experience random health spike. On my DH - noting that I’m not as proficient - I can just die in the blink of an eye. No time to react, nothing. However… DH does have a very useful kit with silences and stuns and movement, and DK is just so chill - you can handle anything, defensives, and move mobs around without any stress. Warrior has more buttons comparatively. My poor mid 30s fingers get tired very quick lol.
Maybe my keybinds need revisiting because I feel like I’m playing a guitar on the warrior but The other two are way smoother.
uneven mason
It's a different approach, if you're coming from Warrior or Druid who are just bricks out of the box, DK an DH require you to not go in dry
patent osprey
<@133743762999476224>
1.) Proud of your 30 AD man, ty for putting us on the map,...
Will get more on the board soon 😉
2) ChatGPT
grand veldt
hahaha nice man, ty ty
dull zodiac
Hmm. Yeah, they both do experience random health spike. On my DH - noting that...
Mid 30s ?? Prime of your life
sleek current
Anyone know where I can get some easy Veteran shoulders to catalyst?
strong forum
superbloom no?
sleek current
I was hoping for a cheeky vendor but, I've got to get this legendary out of the way anyway so I'll be doing tonnes of that.
strong forum
dont have semi useless epic gear banked up?
sleek current
Nah, I'm a chronic disenchanter. 😂
toxic pewter
yah same just for transmog purposes
sleek current
Yeah, I should've thought harder about it when I was gearing up. 😂
Literally just want to complete the normal set.
onyx musk
Can I roll need on pips as mainspec while on tank loot spec?
sleek current
Does it show up in the loot table under Prot in the Journal?
In any case, for future reference. If it shows in the Journal (Shift+J by default) under the "Prot" spec. You will need on it as main spec. 🙂
Looks like I've been talking to myself. 😂
vocal flame
Raid trinkets and ghol?
toxic pewter
your answers were just better than mine did not want to give conflicting or confusing information
sleek current
All good man.
raw void
How often do you guys play disrupting shout in M+
soft plume
always
raw void
Ok good, what point are you dropping? bloodsurge or battering ram?
sleek current
Battering Ram
raw void
Yall running fear?
sleek current
I usually don't because I like bouding stride but, it is very useful for BRH for example, the pull at the top of the stairs can help with the rogues, archers and caster when they hit DR on high keys
Can be nice in WM as well but, I've done up to 25 without ever running it.
WM 23, BRH 25 I mean
raw void
Yeah I'm finally bored enough to push keys and wanted to figure out talents
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUUUkRVARpFRRBBNVUVEVRRFVYVUQCVE
This is what ive been running for every dungeon around 22s
sleek current
Yep, that looks like what I've ran basically the entire time
raw void
***im just swapping to into the fray now though, been playing w heavy repercussions
sleek current
Personally, never bothered. I'm just a greedy boy. 😂
I wish Spear of Bastion was relevant. Especially now that it's going to look pretty cool
dull zodiac
Raid trinkets and ghol?
Think golash ye and augury but no tank trinket from fyrakk
hazy bronze
Gholak
cosmic wyvern
guys I hit lvl 70 on this vengeance dh like 2-3 weeks ago and I'm already doing better than I am on my 3kio prot warrior I've been playing for ages :(
They better buff prot warrior next season or I stg I'm gonna have to swap mains :(
uneven mason
just do it now
Someone posts something like that about every week
Pretty sure it's just the same guy logging into other accounts 
opaque quest
Are we ready to uninstall MHW when capcom adds their shitty russian DRM to it?
edgy bone
@strong forum Is there a hard cap for haste on prot warrior? I'm at 43% and am thinking of re-gemming to vers
edgy bone
7100 rating unbuffed
Do you know when you go right on BRH?
That mini boss who does glaive throw
where's the best tank spot for LOSing that
lusty grotto
any door frame
tomb also works
it doesnt matter it barely tickles
since its fully blockable (if it bounces to you)
but yeah dps and heals can just los using tomb
or tank it next to the doors
tunnel frame or w/e
or you can simply not pull it
which is what a lot of people do
and single pull the mobs around it
sometimes pull it after 1st boss, other times just skip
and do siderooms on the scavengers and/or the idle scavs next to the dominators
a lot of options there
all i know every single fucking time you adjust so dps/heals LoS, they dont
if you pug
pretty sure its meldable
outer thorn
does shattering throw work on anything in the current m+ dungeon rotation?
lusty grotto
no
wrecking might for tyr
and for raid, but we havent really tested it
like tindral, fyraak etc
obviously for big damage, not for breaking their shields
or instantly breaking rather
it should work also on iridikron
for now we havent really checked if its viable to run
edgy bone
or you can simply not pull it
What do you pull instead?
lusty grotto
What do you pull instead?
edgy bone
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/1195589390320...
Siderooms on the scavengers
I'm not sure I understand
lusty grotto
edgy bone
That's all I need?!?
lusty grotto
edgy bone
I can skip thje -miniboss and just get those 4?
lusty grotto
you essentially overpulled at that point anywya
you can pull either or
you dont really need both
edgy bone
no
dont have kick tracker either
i play on macbook air with 420p
i cant have that much addon
lusty grotto
keystone.guru
lusty grotto
forest yacht
ive been told a hero gholak is better than a myth normal weapon
is that true or cap
for m+
lusty grotto
sim it and youll see
pallid quiver
True, though, because Gholak doesn't sacrifice stat budget for the proc like most proc weapons
median tulip
Offensively yes.
edgy bone
~~True, though, because Gholak doesn't sacrifice stat budget for the proc like m...
u can sacrifice summa deez
forest yacht
yeah its better in aoe and st
lusty grotto
thats shouldnt be the case
link your sims
youre probably simming incorrectly
its better for both
warm plinth
i play on macbook air with 420p
bro what?
forest yacht
its better for both
what?
pallid quiver
i think you're both saying the same thing, nim
pallid quiver
I think his its was also gholak is better in both
median tulip
It's better offensively in both ST and MT scenarios
lusty grotto
not sure why youre nitpicking
median tulip
I'm not nitpicking, I'm being accurate
lusty grotto
the amount of stats you gain is such a small value
pallid quiver
Honestly, it's pretty nitpicky considering the defensive gain is minimal enough in comparison the offensive gain.
lusty grotto
indeed
pallid quiver
It is more accurate, but
It'd be more of a gain than most of the other stat questions we get defensively due to strength being involved, but
lusty grotto
i wouldnt say that
because most of the other stat questions we get usually double dip
into both offense and defense
this correction only does so for defensiveness
at a dps loss
pallid quiver
More of a defensive gain is what I meant, since most stat questions are about stat prio, hopefully about pieces of the same ilvl, but people don't usually provide context for that
lusty grotto
right i understand what you meant
forest yacht
my brother
youre saying what i said
and treating me like a monkey
are you alright in the head
pallid quiver
You are coming off a little ruder than usual, Nim, I'd recommend the bed time you mentioned before
forest yacht
yeah, but only one of us is being rude
thats what i meant when i replied what to you
it made no sense
everyone caught it but you
lusty grotto
i didnt think that first part was being rude
lusty grotto
#protection message i didnt?
median tulip
You should definitely think about that sleep thing Nim
forest yacht
yes
lusty grotto
ok well keep waiting
forest yacht
lmao
median tulip
I think I'm going to nope out of this channel for a while, no good can come of this.
teal swift
I think I'm going to nope out of this channel for a while, no good can come of t...
You will be missed 😔
trim bay
teal swift
We already barely wanna hit revenge and execute
onyx musk
Juicy
onyx musk
Is it possible to reflect the one on the boss or only on priest.
jagged pier
it doesnt
edgy bone
FAKE NEWS
jagged pier
it just heals the damage but u dont take it
onyx musk
I dunno, i had spell reflect up on a preist and it did that.
jagged pier
like the bats in DH
edgy bone
Vantner is gaslighting us
onyx musk
My game said it spell reflected, game gaslighting me.
jagged pier
the game also says u reflected the bat debuff
but they dont instantly die
🤷
im like 99% sure transfuison works in the same
onyx musk
Lame.
sand pebble
tell me whats wrong with this picture..
waxen orbit
Where would you like me to start?
sand pebble
i died like 8 times as mw healing this guy because he couldnt hold threat
waxen orbit
They gotta be consuming Fervid Bite by pure accident
Tbh guy should honestly consider a different video game
Or maybe just focus on IRL for a few years
What level content was this?
sand pebble
11 wcm on my alt farming wyrm crests
waxen orbit
Nvm checks out
Probably the best prot warrior damage breakdown I’ve seen in that key bracket
sand pebble
he isnt using blood and thunder
waxen orbit
Doesn’t look like he’s using much of his amygdala either but I suppose I’m being a little harsh
Probably a former Shadowlands class designer
sand pebble
lmao
teal swift
tell me whats wrong with this picture..
A log would be a god start
blazing condor
tell me whats wrong with this picture..
Everything. Everything is in the wrong spot on the list and whirlwind is there
sand pebble
A log would be a god start
i actually have a log for it just need to upload it
torn gulch
I mean damage breakdown already shows
sand pebble
just thought you bunch might enjoy it
torn gulch
That that is a disaster
waxen orbit
Where's revenge <a:huh:1072539415261499412>
Revenge isn’t really that important
But
Whirlwind
Is an atrocity worthy of the town pillories
teal swift
It's not, but it looks to be replaced with Whirlwind
waxen orbit
Melee at the top really is something
I can only imagine he actually had his hands physically off of his keyboard
waxen orbit
There’s no way this individual was actually actively using his keyboard
waxen orbit
If he was then I hope he comes here so he can get some advice and legitimately improve
This isn’t mashing keyboard
This is the opposite
This is a hands-off approach
teal swift
That said, I play pretty bad too
Idk how I run 18-20 keys
You should see one of my logs lmal
It's tragic, shows how low skill floor really is
waxen orbit
Anything south of a 24 has been pretty much nullified for tanks to play
Raid always been a stompfest for tanks
Except when mythic progging and having poor healers
teal swift
Idk even in like 20-22 keys while low
waxen orbit
But at a real key register your role unironically is the most important in there
waxen orbit
It is important to note that if your tank fucks up
In a real key
The key is dead
So it’s def not black and white
waxen orbit
Depends
Lot of nuance there
Depends where, how long in, damage profile of the group, run back time, quantity of wipes, how quick you wiped, CD timing after the pull was wiped
Kind of hard to really just say that you can simply wipe and still time if the key is a 27 or above because sometimes more than two wipes definitely spells doom
More forgiving than keys used to be but definitely still dangerous
median tulip
tell me whats wrong with this picture..
There are many many things. The fact that he has TaN talented is one of them.
restive scroll
Gotta learn sometime, I'd rather someone do it in 11 than in 20+
pallid quiver
<@&257983573498265600> shoot it plz
tribal wharf
not mine
but this exactly why never yogi voice over
despite that i put many videos where im doing content in HD with logs etc
tribal wharf
cuz i cant control it haha
im playing some game, i crash my ship and explode, i rage
i don't stay mad, but i get mad, if that makes sense, unless it was something traumatic i forget about it in a day or so
for example fortified uldaman is and was traumatic to me
i ran it twice one week, depleted very early on and horrifically. will NEVER run that key ever again for any reason
azure vaults is really hard, i'd avoid it, but i'd do it still.
blazing condor
avoidance only nurtures trauma
u gotta go in there and face your fears
overcome
blazing condor
So why is augury not considered good in m+ if it sims so high?
toxic pewter
who says it isn't good
digital meteor
Hello,
After playing heal for several extensions and dps (a bit boring), I'd like to change to tanking.
I've already tried BDK, VDH and prot war.
I like BDK and VDH in terms of hit points and self heal, but I'm really partial to prot warrior with its fun gameplay, 1M weapon and shield play, blocking etc...
What tips and advice can you give me to get started tanking?
My War is 441 ilvl at the moment, I had validated +6 at the beginning of S3 but I had switched back to heal with the "fear" of tanking.
But I'm really apprehensive about M+ and even more so about raids.
I'm also apprehensive about roads.
Thanks in advance for your feedback
blazing condor
tanking anxiety is tough when you're kinda starting out tanking and the only real "solution" is to just play and get accustomed to doing dungeons as a tank and trying things out. The important thing is that you think its fun and that youre interested in playing tank.
With that said a good tip is to look at people tanking keys and doing routes to kinda see how they do it. Youtube has a lot of beginner friendly videos on tanking
Quazii is a youtuber who i've heard is good for beginner tanks where he has videos explaining the dungeons this season and how to tank them
he also has a video on "tanking anxiety" as well
sand pebble
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tVcdJnvFWxfDLYwj#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=2 - log from that warrior i spoke about earlier
blazing condor
honestly the taunt on cd is based
jagged pier
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tVcdJnvFWxfDLYwj#fight=1&type=damage-done&s...
mans playing his own game
let him be
sand pebble
yeah i told him to talent blood and thunder and he might be able to hold threat a little better - he thanked me
left it at that
hollow sun
Hello,
After playing heal for several extensions and dps (a bit boring), I'd li...
guild or communities are the best way to start
if you are on EU there is a community called no pressure that does all kind of keys, no stress
With warr, don't heroic leap in the middle of a pack as 1st rule, then it's about dungeon and class knowledge
use shield wall often, it's cd is relatively short
accept that you are going to fuck up, people will leave your keys and flame you
blazing condor
if you mean heroic leap into a pack instead of charging then yes - using heroic leap while in a pack isnt a bad thing if you need to reset taunt for whatever reason
sand pebble
charge pack > tc > leap towards next pack > charge before you land > tc > position yourself so your back never is to any mob, ever
tribal wharf
discord images broke for me, fun times
strong forum
For everyone
tribal wharf
ahh, wasnt sure, some times its hard to say
thin bay
What is the best rotion for establishing agro. Ran a 20 last night and my dps was having to hold back because of agro issues
waxen frigate
the normal rotation
do you have a log
pwarr has great aggro options and challenging roar in case you're really desperate
blazing condor
assuming you got cds its just toss ravager > charge
then start blasting away
roars / thunder clap / shield charge
all that jazz
thin bay
I probably just need more practice and more time running keys!
torn gulch
What is the best rotion for establishing agro. Ran a 20 last night and my dps w...
sometimes is the dps fault
blazing condor
I probably just need more practice and more time running keys!
go over the guides and look at openings / rotation if you wanna brush up on it. You can practice on training dummies to see how much damage you can do
but logs help the most if you wanna analyse what could be better
vocal flame
There it is! idk why it didnt load before
actually not loading lol anyway i got 2500 ranking finally
vocal flame
thank you!
digital meteor
Thank you for your answer !
I'll make small keys and follow your advice.
I never make a heroic leap into the fray. 😁
digital meteor
guild or communities are the best way to start
I'm a casual player on week end, maybe i can find a community, it's better no ?
I'm on Hyjal EU
hollow sun
I'm a casual player on week end, maybe i can find a community, it's better no ?
...
Yeah ofc, pugging for the sake of score has never been fun for me. It's kinda like getting a lot of money but having no one to flex it on 
hollow sun
if you mean heroic leap into a pack instead of charging then yes - using heroic ...
No, I mean leaping in the middle of a pack when pulling it and getting meleed in the back
Which happened twice to me when healing this week, this is why i have it fresh in mind
grizzled nova
wow dratnos really out there telling people s3 set is "weird and annoying" and they should vote for s1 instead
the rare dratnos extreme L take
tribal wharf
i mean, i dont even think season 1 set bonus was all that bad
besides the fact that i dont hit enough revenge
blazing condor
its not that its bad per se just that its not as good as what we otherwise have
tropic star
i just felt it was more booring than 2 or 3
blazing condor
our playstyle doesnt revolve around revenge or IP (except to trigger tier now) so its weird having those abilities be central
feels bad to revenge-spam when you can TC/SS instead
tribal wharf
buff execute
plush tendon
There it is! idk why it didnt load before
tribal wharf
idea, remove spear talents, replace with condemn talents
blazing condor
remove every talent and only have a execute talent that buffs execute by 1% per point
eventually itll be good guys
primal nymph
switch between tanking and dps pretty frequently this season. Does anyone have any tips as to which of the dps specs may be preferable for stat alignment? I lean towards arms for this reason but honestly not sure if this realy matters that much or if I can switch between fury just as effectively
strong forum
arms has pretty much the same stat spread as prot
fury wants vers/mastery this patch
but stats dont stop you from playing either spec really
strong forum
the higher you go the longer your queue times will be
its just how it goes
takes me over an hours to get into 1 key these days for 27s
same goes for my havoc friend
wind oak
strong forum
then they should 100% invite me
plush tendon
the higher you go the longer your queue times will be
there are also just less keys
tried pugging last night... prob only 1 or 2 keys worth doing
and they had tanks
strong forum
we spent 1.5hrs in queue this midnight
trying to get into 27s
to no avail
only when i specced tank
tribal wharf
im trying to beat old sega game, trying to beat it on hard feels like running a +28
9 lvls and then boss, only ever made to llvl 6 on hard two or 3 times, most runs end by lvl 2 and 3, definitely 4, 5 and beyond is a nightmare
its like, 1 mistake and you are totally done
wtf, and im watching random video about it and i just learned totally game changing thing on lvl 1
teal swift
tribal wharf
i can end lvl 1 with a lvl 2 weapon, but i have to spend 15 seconds shooting a structure
weak snow
uneven mason
i can end lvl 1 with a lvl 2 weapon, but i have to spend 15 seconds shooting a s...
Is that like the infinite lives in Super Mario Bros?
uneven mason
People who do that are the worst sort of troll
Their main must be https://wiki.project1999.com/Lord_Doljonijiarnimorinar
tribal wharf
well thtas simple
id call him doljon full name dol for short and everyone else probably call him jon, (first 2 names there in 6 letters)
must be a reference to something i dont understand
uneven mason
id call him doljon full name dol for short and everyone else probably call him j...
Bob
we called him Bob
I just saw the giantass long name impossible to pronounce
and it popped into my head
tribal wharf
if u not seen i posted video of the thing i was talk about similiar to the "mario secret" u were saying it was but i was saying it is different
offtopic channel
so, tldr, its a 15-20 second detour, but its like starting rs lvl 3 with full bronze/iron plate whatever u can equip at start
quaint fossil
I have threat problems in M+ any advice?
charred ivy
on rise last boss any tip to survive well? only tanked it a few times but feels like it hit like a truck
strong forum
First one you tank with SW
2nd one you can leap away from
3rd is spb
4th is leap again
Then double adds are up and you pray to the gods whilst sending everything you can send again
In 2nd phase you can't leap breaths anymore but they shouldn't be a big problem as they happen alot less frequently so you have cds for them
strong forum
Maybe if you spb 1st one you can have it back up for the double add phase
Dunno only tanked the boss once, 2 days ago on 25 but was fairly chill
charred ivy
spb is spellblock i assume
uneven mason
SPLOCK
chilly brook
spb is spellblock i assume
You assume correctly
teal swift
I have threat problems in M+ any advice?
Hit more shieldslam and thunderclap, if you're losing threat you likely have them off CD sometimes.
Just keep them on CD as much as possible.
patent osprey
takes me over an hours to get into 1 key these days for 27s
Never had this problem 😉
Tank privilage
strong forum
you also got more score
its weird how people suddenly treat you differently when you got more score than them
very cringe
teal swift
NA moment
charred ivy
kk ty for tips pn last boss rise. it went fine xD
warm plinth
Good job
teal swift
@patent osprey remember when ED was popping in like mop, and wpvp was lit af with the 50/50 ratio?
warm plinth
Erectile dysfunction?
teal swift
i do, warmode ruined that server for me
warm plinth
Oh. Emerald dream
teal swift
Yeah, server was lively, and had probably the best wpvp scene in the world
teal swift
rotund yacht
4th is leap again
U can leap the breath? What
strong forum
yesh
leap + run away and you bing chillin
when the freshly spawned add is running to its spot is the best time to leap away
and when you get breathed on while the add is up you use CDs
charred ivy
ah i didnt even leap xD need try remember that next time
echo egret
Isn't it safier to keep spell block for the 2 adds phase ?
lusty grotto
sure, but usually you have lust in that phase and no breaths
either works, you spell block 2 adds or wall it, you still need a cd for the other add phases
remember it lasts for a bit
warm plinth
👀
lucid rapids
stupid question... can we still leggo when we are speced as prot? still trying for the one-handed axe for tanking
warm plinth
Yes
lucid rapids
okay tyvm ❤️
torn gulch
yes i got it in prot spec
lucid rapids
yes i got it in prot spec
ty
grim tree
Anyone have a link to diminishing returns for prot (possibly all specs) that I might be overlooking, or can point me to the correct tab?
warm plinth
Diminishing returns for what
grim tree
Secondary stats
lusty grotto
we might need to go back to our old nicknames ghash
grim tree
I've seen them on the names before, but I wasn't geared enough to care when I first joined and haven't been on since. Any help is appreciated
warm plinth
5100, then 6783 for haste
5400, then 7,182 for crit and mastery
6150, then 8,180 for vers
lusty grotto
stat DRs are not gonna make or break your gameplay
so theres really no reason to focus so heavily on them
they are only for min maxing damage
grim tree
Looking more into changing some gems and ring enchants and misc pieces for more DPS since I swap more frequently between specs depending on the content. Didn't want to lose too much or one or the other, though.
Thanks for the numbers.
warm plinth
Well, keep in mind it's not like your stat drops after you pass a number
lusty grotto
you can also get True Stat Values addon, though apparently the haste one is kinda wrong (according to Nome)
warm plinth
It just means the next % costs a bit more
So changing your gems still isn't going to mean anything outside of small optimization
lusty grotto
☝️
grim tree
Gem and misc optimization is what I'm looking for.
Again, thanks for the help.
warm plinth
👍
lusty grotto
well sims have DRs in them
warm plinth
You're a sim with DR
lusty grotto
so you can just go by simming
warm plinth
gottem
lusty grotto
toxic pewter
Ngl actually looking forward to next weeks patch. Been wanting that explorer transmog set for a while (realize it’s a recolor) but glad they made it available in a way outside of recruit a friend
ashen coral
In 2nd phase you can't leap breaths anymore but they shouldn't be a big problem ...
Why can’t we leap in last phase ? To manage zones better ?
strong forum
ye
pallid quiver
you can still leap the first breath pretty easily, at least, since unless they've changed since I last checked, it's breath-orbs-zone drops for eternity
But without the adds slapping you, it's much less hurty
grim pilot
just swap to bdk for last boss
😎
you can ams every other breath
and take literally 0 damage
pallid quiver
I'm pretty sure breaths come roughly like every 30-40 seconds still on P2
But I also haven't logged in for over a month, so
lusty grotto
Why can’t we leap in last phase ? To manage zones better ?
its also not a huge issue in p2
super healable
breath is a problem because adds are turreting you
and breath ticks add up in damage with the add nukes, all of this added is what kills you, but mostly the add nukes
oh sorry Luerce, you kinda went over it
ashen coral
Okay i get it ty
timber nest
finally 3k score
is there a better m+ trinket than brand? right now I am using tainted heart + brand... i dont have cheat death yet
warm plinth
Brand should be getting pretty good value in keys since you control the pace of the key.
blazing condor
is there a better m+ trinket than brand? right now I am using tainted heart + br...
Not rly Granted youre max stacks on brand
timber nest
i mean i dont even know if i do most of the time. just did a 24 but i didnt log it
timber nest
14m overall in a 24 AD
round pendant
yeah idk how to do fort bursting and still time the key
pull big = everyone kills everything and bursting kills 3 people minimum
pull baby = can't time the key
timber nest
what should be higher? i was at 180 k overall
blazing condor
yeah idk how to do fort bursting and still time the key
U get a priest healer
solemn current
yeah idk how to do fort bursting and still time the key
Fort bursting easier than tyran bursting. Things die slower avoiding more stack rolling and healers feels less pressure making sure CDs are all up for bosses.
blazing condor
chilly solar
Hello people! I have a question as i have just picked up protection warrior and wondering a bit in dungeon or raids... how do i swap to targets that are making spells so i can interrupt them faster individually?
Also when you engange a fight with a pool of monsters do you make avatar first and then shield charge in and then demoralize?
blazing condor
Good nameplates will make it easier to see who’s casting and helps interrupt. Otherwise just experience and knowledge about which mobs CAN cast and WHEN
For the opener you wanna throw ravager first into the pack, then charge and use avatar while youre charging
chilly solar
Good nameplates will make it easier to see who’s casting and helps interrupt. Ot...
What is the addon called in cursedforge?
blazing condor
Then you use stuff like demo shout / shield charge
While making sure you got block up
chilly solar
For the opener you wanna throw ravager first into the pack, then charge and use ...
Oh I see, but shield charge or regular charge ? Avatar works while im the charge leap?
blazing condor
What is the addon called in cursedforge?
I personally use ”threat plates” but most people use an addon called ”Plater” and make their own nameplates
blazing condor
Oh I see, but shield charge or regular charge ? Avatar works while im the charge...
You regular charge into packs yes. Then you use shield charge as kind of a big burst damage
And you can use avatar while youre charging into the pack
Cus it is off global cooldown
wind moss
hows prot looking for s4?
blazing condor
You swap monsters with mouse by hovering over them or tab?
Me personally i just click the nameplates. There’s no right or wrong just do what feels good for you
chilly solar
Me personally i just click the nameplates. There’s no right or wrong just do wha...
isnt it really hard as they are stacking upon each other?
blazing condor
Nope Cus nameplates dont stack
round pendant
Fort bursting easier than tyran bursting. Things die slower avoiding more stack ...
I just did the key again +1 level higher and it was easy af. I think my group just sucked before
blazing condor
isnt it really hard as they are stacking upon each other?
And if you got markers on mobs then its Easy to distinguish
chilly solar
And if you got markers on mobs then its Easy to distinguish
you mean skulls etc? you got keybindings to mark stuff?
Any macro you would like to share? :p
sudden grotto
@strong forum for whatever reason my seeing red/both spell reflect WA's went MIA
do u happen to be able to share them again as i cant find them anywhere
round pendant
man, accelerating sandglass is cheeks
sudden grotto
i found it
charred brook
Hey, got an important question. How do you group up casters? For example the 3 groups before the 1st boss on everbloom or BRH on the first 2 groups at the start? How do caster mob mechanics work? Do I need to make a distance, attack with single spell or what else to make them follow me? In addition to that, if I kick caster, for how long he won’t cast another spell?
uneven mason
Disrupting shout is how I group casters
otherwise I generally hope someone else can get a kick at range
which they usually do if I ask nice
round pendant
Hey, got an important question. How do you group up casters? For example the 3 g...
How long they won't cast depends on what you used to interrupt them. 3 seconds for a standard kick, disrupting shout is 6.
Usually I don't take disrupting shout for keys, if casters aren't coming to you it's because people aren't kicking em
lusty grotto
well i do
theres enough dungeons with casters this time around
it also works on raging
cause its basically an aoe kick
with a silence
and also works on council in EB
sudden grotto
Hey, got an important question. How do you group up casters? For example the 3 g...
moving casters if they spam cast is basically:
- A and B casters in a pack
kick A, move A to B - LoS by some structure so the mobs are not in line of sight with u and move towards u until they are (they only start moving after they stop their current cast)
- if caster A, B and C in a pack:
Kick A, if no one else kicks B and C then try to tank the mobs in between both casters so long they re close enough that both are getting hit, otherwise move to either B or C and eventually when ur kick is back up charge to the one left out and go back to where u were and all are grouped
sadly warrior doesnt have much to move casters with
apart from disrupting shout
lusty grotto
yeah LoSing is pretty much the tried and true way to do it
warm plinth
Most casters also won't begin to cast until they're touched. So if you can social aggro them by hitting mobs close to them and just hold off on hitting them for a couple seconds, they should run in.
median tulip
Hey, got an important question. How do you group up casters? For example the 3 g...
You drop Ravager on them for the threat, and have your DPS kick the casts until they come into Melee.
If your DPS are competent it shouldn't be an issue
Big IF there ofc
charred brook
Thank you all for your replies!
@warm plinth so if I don’t attack caster, but just run by, they will not start casting?
warm plinth
I'm not promising anything but it works in a lot of situations to like... here, as an example: In Halls of Atonement, we used to do the first pull by hitting a melee mob in each of the 3 groups we wanted to pull, then we waited for the mobs to group before we started fighting
casters would just run in
charred brook
Sweet, gonna test it out!
lusty grotto
dont think that works this time around
EB for example
im pretty sure they start casting right away
latent mulch
can legendary drop for us in prot spec or should i be in arms or fury loot spec
warm plinth
It can drop in prot
latent mulch
thank you
pale karma
I'm having a lot of trouble with TotT 22+ this week. Keys go great until the gauntlet/last boss. Multiple reasons but for me I'm not sure what to pull, when to pull, and where to stand.
If I pull slower then people say to pull more but if I pull more people tell me to wait for stacks to drop
Half way through, the little hards don';t stop spawning though so the stacks never drop and the last pair wipe
If not 8 deaths before
pallid quiver
The easiest way of handling the gauntlet is to just not interact with it pretty much at all; you can pull the large elementals and gobbo groups to the entrance of the hallway where the little adds don't chase you down, so you're free to handle stacks however you please
I believe you should be able to do this for all until the last two elementals, where the party just boasts them and hugs the boss door iirc
pale karma
Intersting. So heroic throw, leap back and let them follow?
If there's nothing else in the gauntlet, it's easy to collect all the littles and kill them, then there's enough time to clear before the last two
pallid quiver
Basic idea, yeah
Just tell your group before you do it so they don't bravely charge to all of your deaths
restive scroll
If I pull slower then people say to pull more but if I pull more people tell me ...
Don't mind them.
Easier said than done, but it's true.
You set the pace, depending on how you feel the timer goes
It's actually a dps issue
pallid quiver
On higher keys, you'll need to handle the gauntlet properly since ignoring it is slightly slower, but people should be better coordinated then
restive scroll
You can do the gauntlet with all the small elementals, but people have to kill the small elementals right after the end of a swell, so the stack drop right before the next one
Usually in 22 i wouldn't trust dps to do that properly, and i would indeed wait, heroic throw, and get back.
Then kill a lot of small elementals/gobelins, and get the next big one
In higher keys, i now pull them with the gobs, because timer issue, but even then, i only do that if i trust the group, if the start of the instance was a mess, i'll pull slower
Tbh, i tend to panic timer wise, and start to take needless risks sometimes.
Note also that you can kill all the small elementals with the last goblin pack. You have enough space so you won't pull extra small elementals and where you won't pull the next big two.
Allowing you to chain whenever the gobs are done, since the small elementals should be long dead, and the stacks should have dropped
restive scroll
I'm not promising anything but it works in a lot of situations to like... here, ...
Actually that would explain some behavior i didn't understand, i'll try it out thanks!
pale karma
Tbh, i tend to panic timer wise, and start to take needless risks sometimes.
Yeah, me too sometimes. I've had most DPS struggle to stop damage this week and lots of deaths with bursting so I would like to keep things unfuckable, even if it's slower.
pale karma
Note also that you can kill all the small elementals with the last goblin pack. ...
Is it a matter of asking them to stack forward? With gobs jumping around and 'nados it's a tall ask.
Plus I'm not 100% sure but I think that axe talent we have has aggro'd things unexpectedly for me this week.
Lemme ask this - is it okay to pull all the small eles into the gobos? It's a lot of mobs but they don't affect eachother right?
restive scroll
Lemme ask this - is it okay to pull all the small eles into the gobos? It's a l...
No they don't, you good !
pale karma
Cool cool. I pull those separataely, and then the gobos. That results in the littles ones respawning and inevitably we pick up more which delays moving to the larger two, which drags on and then panic pull and people die lol. I think if I bring them all together, they'll be less likely to respawn around when the gobos die.
Alternatively, pull everything back (if time permits). Beyond that, gotta pray for the healer.
restive scroll
pretty much
digital meteor
Hello all people !
Which site is the best site to see rotation etc..?
Wowhead or Icy Veins ? Maybe Method ?
Thanks
digital meteor
Why do you prefer icy veins ?
blazing condor
cus i prefer the writer (who's also a mod/theory crafter for this discord server)
in my experience there's been more things written in the wowhead guide thats been a bit questionable
digital meteor
Oh ok, i don't know that the things written is wowhead guide thats been a bit questionable !
I always see wowhead, but now i will see icy veins first
Thanks
opaque quest
Mwahi is the author for the icy veins guide iirc
digital meteor
Yes i see that now on icy veins
Other question,
Do you have addons/weak auras required for my prot war please ?
opaque quest
There is no addon requirement for anything but most people use the usual stuff. Luxthos
I think there is a pack from @strong forum too
digital meteor
Ok, i have weak aura. But i would like to change my named plate script but I don't know which one to take
Could @strong forum share your package with me?
digital meteor
Thank you @strong forum !
muted star
I'm really struggling with my vault this week.
The raid tier items are all junk. So they are out.
The dungeon belt, I have a hero version with LEECH already. Not sure if that's really much of an upgrade.
The trinket, myrlok.io shows it as the 2nd most popular trinket, but I honestly hate on use trinkets. I worry about forgetting to use them, or using at a suboptimal time. So I'm not sure about that.
Should I just take the tokens to put a slot on a piece of gear?
nocturne tundra
😮
opaque quest
I'd take a myth track belt over a HC belt with leech all day. More deepz
strong forum
ilvl > tertiaries
torn gulch
unless it's neck and rings and the difference is big enough
hazy bronze
That would be secondaries for jewelery
muted star
ilvl > tertiaries
So you're saying take the belt over the tokens for socket?
muted star
I'd take a myth track belt over a HC belt with leech all day. More deepz
keep in mind its a prot spec belt
opaque quest
Defo take the belt. Leech isnt as big as str and secondaries
muted star
Defo take the belt. Leech isnt as big as str and secondaries
cool. got it. and better than tokens for a socket too? since its prot spec bis belt?
opaque quest
Theoretical bis belt is from tindral mythic. Idk what content you do. Theoretical bis belt from M+ with crit haste would be from dawn but secondaries are so close together it doesnt matter. Ilvl is king. If a socket could be better needs to be simmed
muted star
the most popular belt among the top 50 mythic+ prot warriors use girdle of burgeoning apathy
opaque quest
Dont use Murlok IO
muted star
why not?
opaque quest
Cause its garbanzo beans
muted star
Is it not the data from the actual top 50 mythic+ characters or no?
opaque quest
Do you have the same gear item level IO and teammates as the top 50 players?
Are you 4k IO like them?
What the top players do is irrelevant for us normies
We take what the robot tells us to take and call it a day
muted star
My warrior is ilvl 484 so it seems at that point, looking at the top players makes more sense for min/maxing then the generalized bis of wowhead.
muted star
oh my bad I didnt see you say that
I guess I was hoping maybe it was such an easy call between the two it would be an easy answer. I find that raidbots is a little annoying to use when you get down to the final nitty gritty of tiny differences
opaque quest
Also ilvl doesnt mean alot. If top raiders use fyrakk mythic trinkets and stuff stat weights can shift and make other secondaries mor attractive that would be shitty for a 4/9Mythic 3k IO player. Just saying
muted star
true.
I also did find it odd that the top mythic+ players use almost no raid items
I mean a few, but less than I expected
opaque quest
Because lots of them dont raid and spend 24/7 in dungeons
muted star
that was what i concluded also
and myth items from dungeons are probably better than hero from raids, and getting myth items from raids is a lot harder since you cant cross server, and the myth raids are still kinda hard
opaque quest
Ye. Last season way more ppl killed fyrakk early on
Wasting 3 months of progression on tindral and fyrakk just isnt feasable if you wanna get into 0.1
muted star
its weird that you can run mythic18s to get 3 myth items in your vault, but there's nothing even close to that challenge level to get mythic slots in your raid vault
opaque quest
I mean you can do the first few bosses they should be puggable when the HoF is done
opaque quest
Hall of Fame is for the first 100 guilds on alliance and horde to clear the raid in mythic. When both sides have gotten that mythic opens up for cross realm
muted star
ahhhhhh. Very cool. Thanks. I just started back in season 3 of DF, and hadn't played since Legion. and back then I played less seriously. This time my whole family came back with me.
hazy bronze
It's first 200 now I think since cross faction
opaque quest
Oh ye. Might be. Havent checked
grim pilot
Are you 4k IO like them?
you forgot about 1 thing
Murlok for some reason skips some players
and like r50 arms s2 was 3k or so on murlok
I think I was shown as r2 for whatever reason
so it's double garbanzo
btw
opaque quest
I included that into the "its garbanzo beans". Shouldve elaborated. u.gg is the same shit
muted star
that's too bad because the idea of seeing ACTUAL gear used by top players seems valuable
grim pilot
just go to raider io
thats where I go for trinkets and embellishments when trying to learn new class
muted star
how valuable in relative terms do you thikn a socket slot is to a very small gear slot upgrade? like hero to myth, or slightly off bis to bis (like one item that's crit/haste, but the bis item has a better crit/haste split)
opaque quest
Only a sim can tell you that
we dont know your exact gear and so on
Just open your vault and while you got the vault window open do the /simc
Then topgear it
muted star
very true. I guess I am being a baby and find raidbots a little painful to use and I always think I'm doing it wrong
muted star
Just open your vault and while you got the vault window open do the /simc
what its that easy?
opaque quest
Ye
opaque quest
If you wanna sim gem just duplicate your helmet or smth then click the + and add socket
muted star
and what would I run if I wanted it to tell me different items I should be using in a gear slot? like if I am using the 'wrong thing' ?
opaque quest
Do you mean an item you posess or dont posess
If you dont have it go to droptimizer and check the drop source for the item you want. If you have it just select it in top gear in addition to the one youre wearing
muted star
Do you mean an item you posess or dont posess
Both really
muted star
Do you mean an item you posess or dont posess
hmmm droptimizer makes it look like everythinjg I have is basically bis
how do you make it compare to amirdrassil and mythic+ at the same time?
grim pilot
If you want to do some elaborate sim with the item just go to wowhead, select the item you need and use the "simulation" string
languid swan
Havent played my prot war since season 1 how does it feel to play right now some short sweet tldr state of the class without diging deep
opaque quest
how do you make it compare to amirdrassil and mythic+ at the same time?
You cant. You could use gear compare for specific slots and put in every item you think could be an upgrade. Not worth the hassle tho. If droptimizer doesnt give you upgrades for either raid or M+ youre chilling
muted star
You cant. You could use gear compare for specific slots and put in every item yo...
all the upgrades it suggests all say expected value: +0.1%
and the suggested version is always myth 2/4 compared to mine. lol
strong forum
Havent played my prot war since season 1 how does it feel to play right now some...
Same as s1 except faster and way tankier
opaque quest
all the upgrades it suggests all say expected value: +0.1%
No upgrades then. Youre gucci
muted star
is that basically what that means? ok
opaque quest
Check if raidbots accidentally adds sockets or something. If not then youre good
muted star
so then the question is, if I may not be using the absolute best belt, is getting the myth version of it a waste, when I could take the 6 tokens and decide on a socket some time in the future
obviously when I ran the /simc with my vault, it suggested the myth belt. since compared to my current gear, that's an obvious upgrade. since its the same belt, just myth
but maybe that's the "wrong belt" 😛
opaque quest
Depends on the content youre doing. If youre gonna push fyrakk mythic tonight then you should take the belt. If you just casually piss around 3k IO and 9/9HC you can take the gem
jagged pier
that haste vers belt does nothing more for fyrakk than any other myth track belt
muted star
I'd really like to push mythic as high as I am able, and when cross realm mythic raiding is open, give that a shot
opaque quest
There is zero chance a pug will reach AND kill tindral who drops the bis belt
So your option would be to pray and hope you get the doti belt from vault. With all the options available that chance is also basically zero. Take the belt
muted star
I have alot of friends on other servers, we've been clearing heroic pretty easily.
what is doti belt?
opaque quest
Dawn of the infinite drops a belt with crit haste
And heroic is in zero way comparable to fyrakk and tindral. They are tough. Its not aberrus anymore
muted star
And heroic is in zero way comparable to fyrakk and tindral. They are tough. Its ...
yeah I'm not setting my life happiness goals on being able to do it. We'll see. Plus who knows they may nerf it too by then.
torn gulch
there is no way in hell you see the late part of mythic in a pug group in any tier
no matter what nerfs you see
hazy bronze
Maybe if you schedule with the same people a few times a week...
soft plume
i think we could see it if mythic cross realm was open day 1
because then pugging mythic would be more normal
we shall see in the war within
opaque quest
Maybe if you schedule with the same people a few times a week...
Thats what i did in SoO. I basically had a second "main" raid with 19 other randos. We cleared garrosh
Was other ppl that already had cutting edge tho so it was a bit iffy
median tulip
Dawn of the infinite drops a belt with crit haste
Isn't the Catalyst belt crit/haste anyway? So any belt becomes the bis belt
muted star
Tindral is bis cause higher ilvl tho
is it higher ilvl at the same tier category? like are raid hero 6/6 items higher than mythic+ hero 6/6 items?
warm plinth
There's no such thing as a non-bis belt for us because the conversion catalyst makes any belt a crit/haste belt.
As long as it's myth track, it's good enough
And the Tindral belt is not higher ilevel; Only Fyrakk has any loot that is higher than myth track, which is rageheart, augury, blossom trinkets and the lego. The rest of his loot is still 4/4 myth.
torn gulch
i reached a point in gearing where my upgrades are so hard to get it's kinda meh
warm plinth
Perfect time to start playing an alt
torn gulch
i have another 3 tanks at 445
starting to play them as well
and trying to get fury gear now
warm plinth
Join the altoholics anonymous. We are the only 12-step program that encourages the behavior.
warm plinth
torn gulch
a couple of them yes
i would like to play all tanks
to a decent levels
my guildies told me to actually play the game and stop dragonriding or playing in zereth mortis
so i started playing the game
warm plinth
waow
torn gulch
but at least in m+ i reached a level where i need to actually learn how to play prot
as i still do quite a lot of mistakes
things hurt
timid jolt
i have lego as well i feel like i have to learn fury
go Arms :p
timid jolt
ye, fair, tbh, i am just a hardstuck arms one-Trick xD
restive scroll
I didn't like arm in s2, i think it feels better this season, although i suck at it =]
tired crystal
Are you supposed to get two charge hits?
tired crystal
Ahhh ok
Spell block able to to negate the magical damage?
Larodar hits so hard
Any tips?
grizzled nova
Spell block able to to negate the magical damage?
nope
strong forum
you have shieldwall for every charge
jagged pier
not always
tribal wharf
what happens if im not doing my sparkquests lol
barely even playing these days
just, rip bozo on half spark?
figure should at least do 3 more dungeons for 8 so i can get 6 coins for garunteed spark piece
jagged pier
u get the sparks u miss from doing content
tribal wharf
legit i havent done any even close to challenging content past 2 weeks
warm plinth
I did one superbloom the second week of the season and then I think the only time I've been back to the new zone is to downgrade some crests lul
tribal wharf
i think i did 4 11 keys for hero loot vault
blazing condor
im still angry at blizz for being so fucking lazy
not that i should expect anything else
warm plinth
Lazy about what
blazing condor
what we actually got in the new zone
which is a big slab of nothing
no sorry
you can plant seeds and follow an anciet around
warm plinth
Oh. I don't do new zones unless I have to for something
And then I do the bare minimum required
I only did as much as I did because I wanted the owlbear
Form
blazing condor
idk its just pointless to put out a "major content patch" when the major content is m+
and a new raid
at least give us some shit to do outside of m+ and raid
warm plinth
But... that is stuff to do outside of m+ and raid
tribal wharf
its more the problem that combat is deceptively hard in world of warcraft
warm plinth
There's a ton of stuff in the zone. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean they didn't give content or are lazy
tribal wharf
oh thats easy, ya, sure, after you've done it 40 times with buddies calling it out and dbm going off
tribal wharf
i still can't beat that sega game i've been working on
lvl 5 is impossible, i don't think i will ever beat it on hard mode
warm plinth
I mean, there's only so much shit you can put out and you can't account for how much some folks play or don't play.
blazing condor
idk what else is there really
dusky canopy
yo guys didnt they add a garrosh skip?
tribal wharf
thats what getting grabbed by the tree boss in DHT and then basically 1 shot feels like
tribal wharf
just picks you up and RNG maybe dead maybe not, probably dead though
jagged pier
nice i ahve 4 of them
torn geyser
anyone wanna join my all warrior group for a +24 galakronds fall? (4 fury and a protection warrior)
jagged pier
yes i read that bit
timber nest
how much health is +131 stamina?
jagged pier
x by 10 if its still the same
dusky canopy
Idr is there a way to skip or solo eonar these days?
dusky canopy
The skip for this one is a quest turn in right?
echo egret
Is there some special programmation that makes tornado always send me with my back towards the mobs ?
waxen frigate
Solo is doable on some classes but gotta be kwik
pretty sure they made it specifically easeir to solo in like
fated shadowlands didnt they
hazy bronze
Last I tried it was closer to spine
tired crystal
We killed Laro!
dusky canopy
Gz!
timber nest
anyone ever seen the trash before Iridikron get pulled through the wall mid fight?"
blazing condor
yep has happened to me
blazing condor
yeah timer is omega free that dungeon
but still
usually those last packs are pretty fine to take compared to what you can skip
soft plume
any time i hear someone say "this boss takes 9 minutes" i just laugh at them
blazing condor
then you do tyrannical yalnu
tender phoenix
how would I know fully what stats to make on a ring?
I know "just sim urself" but how do i know fully to make the ring with X stats as the sims only show dps
timber nest
@blazing condor what route do you do for fall then? because the alternative would be to invis to pack before 1st boss
do that with boss
then do the single dragon after 1st boss
do all 4 dragons before 3rd boss
and then all the trash before last boss
blazing condor
you can always watch what the top keys do on fort/tyran to get an idea
obviously top key routes aren't 100% feasible with pugging
but it gives you an idea of whats more efficient/easy
frigid cipher
Do you guys have any suggestions for adding that show routes?
sick nova
My friend is starting to tank, where can you find good route imports for MDT?
blazing condor
sick nova
Thanks
simple bridge
i havent tanked inb ages and was wondering, how much is stance dancing still a thing ?
blazing condor
you sit in battle stance 99% of the time and use defensive stance as a defensive cooldown when you need it
lusty grotto
in ages? it just kinda came back in this exp
simple bridge
aye, sooo yeah ages XD
lusty grotto
well its still not technically stance dancing
simple bridge
i appreciate the technicallity but atm im just going for functional tanking XD
lusty grotto
simple bridge
cheers!
frosty mango
My friend is starting to tank, where can you find good route imports for MDT?
For the most part this season just press W
Atal is really the only nuanced key
Waycrest too I guess kinda but less route and more understanding to pull to courtyard
lusty grotto
with timers the way they are, overpulling doesnt matter